Speaker 1: My Next Guest has a boxing record of thirty three
Speaker 1: and zero with twenty two knockouts. Tomorrow night, he returns
Speaker 1: to the ring after an eighteen month hiatus at the
Speaker 1: michelob Ultra Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, to take on
Speaker 1: South Jersey's Thomas Lamana, whose record is thirty nine to
Speaker 1: five and one with eighteen knockouts. The one and Only
Speaker 1: Jamal Charlo, the hit Man, the modern day hit Man.
Speaker 2: What's up, big Time?
Speaker 3: How are you? Man?
Speaker 2: How's everything from Steve A?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Where the hell have you been?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're too damn great, You're undefeated.
Speaker 1: You're too damn good for us not to go eighteen
Speaker 1: months without seeing your fight.
Speaker 2: Where you been?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes uh, pim hell wounds, you know, and
Speaker 4: uh sometimes you know, I have to step away and
Speaker 4: you know, get myself back focus and get back right.
Speaker 4: And some of the fights that I was looking for,
Speaker 4: they wasn't happening, and you know, getting a little holders,
Speaker 4: just had to take care of my kids and just
Speaker 4: hid under the rock working.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw you and the last time we
Speaker 1: saw each other face to face was at the Aerospace
Speaker 1: Junior in terms of Crawford way in and I remember
Speaker 1: talking to you because your little brother was about to
Speaker 1: fight Canelo, and I'm like, wait a minute, you bigger?
Speaker 1: You know, I said, you the one that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be in that ring with him, and that didn't happen,
Speaker 1: And I thought that that would have been an epic fight.
Speaker 1: When you look at your career and the bottom line
Speaker 1: is you're undefeated, but people barely talk about you. How
Speaker 1: much has that resonated with you and made you ache
Speaker 1: to get back in the ring?
Speaker 3: Man, it does feed my eagerness.
Speaker 4: And then now I'm getting a little bit more educated
Speaker 4: or like, you know, process and how everything you know happens.
Speaker 4: And some of these fighters that is trying to fight
Speaker 4: me on that big level, that big stage, it's not
Speaker 4: even on them. It's these promoters, some of the stingy people,
Speaker 4: some of the people that's the headquarters. You know, it's
Speaker 4: so hard to make these fights happen, and we with
Speaker 4: the same handle as half of the time. So honestly,
Speaker 4: you know, the big fights is you know they're on
Speaker 4: the way. But now we're starting to the fighters theirselves
Speaker 4: are starting to promote the fight. They're starting to make
Speaker 4: the fights happen now, so it's fighter versus fighter.
Speaker 1: You know, I get criticized because listen, listen, I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of you and your brother. I always have been,
Speaker 1: and damn it, I'm always gonna be because I like y'all.
Speaker 1: I like y'all both, okay, and I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: when you got yourself into some issues, the crash into
Speaker 1: the Lamborghini and got arrested, all of this other stuff.
Speaker 1: I was saying to you when I saw you, I
Speaker 1: was saying to you what I had said on television.
Speaker 2: You've been through a lot.
Speaker 1: You've been going through a lot emotionally, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: you brought up that stuff about, you know, of the fighters,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like you looked at the system, whether
Speaker 1: it was the fighters, the promoters, you were struggling to
Speaker 1: figure out what the hell was going on and why
Speaker 1: you were going through some.
Speaker 2: Of the things that you've gone through.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say to the boxing audience
Speaker 1: right now about all you've been through and why they
Speaker 1: should believe you're back and you're here to stay for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, as opposed to being somebody that's gonna
Speaker 1: disappear in another year or two.
Speaker 4: From Baltimore Heart my fans was still with me, that
Speaker 4: that honestly knew what I was going through at the time.
Speaker 4: I really wanted those big fights and they wasn't happening.
Speaker 3: And a lot of the times, uh.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't know what we're going through at
Speaker 4: the moment. And yeah, I was on that, on that
Speaker 4: verge of crashing out, but you know, I stay focused.
Speaker 4: And the reason they they should know that this is
Speaker 4: not gonna happen ever again, because like you know, I
Speaker 4: moved forward and I gave it all the guy now,
Speaker 4: so I know God got the best interest of me.
Speaker 4: Fans that that have been there for me and that that.
Speaker 3: You know understand me.
Speaker 4: They know that I'm here to go get another world
Speaker 4: tight away at one sixty eight.
Speaker 3: And I'm here to stay. I'm here to stay. I'm back.
Speaker 3: I'm better. The little time off.
Speaker 4: It's something I needed to heal myself and I did mentally,
Speaker 4: physically ani muscling.
Speaker 3: So I'm back in the rent.
Speaker 1: When you say that you were close to crashing out,
Speaker 1: not my words, Your words tell an audience specifically what
Speaker 1: you mean by that.
Speaker 4: I was giving up in my mind. You know, I
Speaker 4: gave up on myself sometimes some of them dark nights.
Speaker 4: And when I was in my dark places, I I
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't have no one to turn to.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I was actually embarrassed to go to my mom. I
Speaker 4: was embarrassed to go to my brother. I started me
Speaker 4: going around my brother and my mom and my family
Speaker 4: and my friends, people that were close to me like
Speaker 4: that I was bringing negative energy that they might want
Speaker 4: to be around.
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to try to handle it on my own.
Speaker 4: But then I just stepped out the little box and
Speaker 4: kind of gave it to God and started giving everything,
Speaker 4: you know, all my problems.
Speaker 3: And put it on the table, facing them and bat
Speaker 3: it on myself.
Speaker 4: Crashing out like I was, you know, of not caring
Speaker 4: about what the next person thought about me or how
Speaker 4: I felt about it. To my fans and my you know,
Speaker 4: people who really understood me. I just didn't want to
Speaker 4: listen at the time. And it took me some you know,
Speaker 4: some some shaping up to do. I got back, and
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm back and I'm strong and I'm better.
Speaker 1: How much, if at all, has your brother helped you
Speaker 1: and how close are you guys?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: My brother definitely helped me. I even said some things
Speaker 4: to him when I was going through I was going
Speaker 4: through that. You know, I regrets saying and uh. We
Speaker 4: we got that one bond where you know, we talked
Speaker 4: about it, we figured it out. We figured that wasn't
Speaker 4: the move. And you know, and me and my twin brother,
Speaker 4: we were real close. Now we see how he understood
Speaker 4: what I was going through. You know, it's just one
Speaker 4: of those things, you know, like my brother always got me,
Speaker 4: so he motivated me more I got. We're back training together.
Speaker 4: We went back to our whole roots. We both got
Speaker 4: our first trainer, back to amateur trainer that we started
Speaker 4: this boxing stuff off with, and we both trained together.
Speaker 3: We got boxing gym together. You know, we're back on
Speaker 3: You know, he.
Speaker 4: Went through the Panella fight and I wish I could
Speaker 4: have been there a little bit more, but I blame
Speaker 4: that on me. So now it's my turn to get
Speaker 4: in there with him.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering whether or not that's ever gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: think you got business to handle with Caleb Plant first. However,
Speaker 1: you got this fight because you can't take anything for
Speaker 1: granted in the boxing when you know that a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot better than me on most people talk
Speaker 1: to me about this fight coming up, who this brother
Speaker 1: is and what you think he brings to the table,
Speaker 1: particularly going up against the likes of you, this guy
Speaker 1: Thomas Lamana.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not taking nothing away from Thomas Lamada.
Speaker 4: He has experienced. He has like thirty nine fights and whatnot.
Speaker 4: He's a tall guy, rangey, he's been in the amate,
Speaker 4: he's been around boxing for a while. He's not like
Speaker 4: a push off in o'walko. He's just you know, he's
Speaker 4: never been in there with a Jamal Charlotte. I don't
Speaker 4: come to lose. I don't come to play. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: try to be as precise as I can. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: feed him everything that he's invalid before the defense makes championships.
Speaker 3: And you know that.
Speaker 4: So, uh, my defensive be on point. I'll be sharp,
Speaker 4: I'm faster, I'm bitter. I'm telling you I only could
Speaker 4: talk about it, but I rather to show you, you know,
Speaker 4: but to mafoot stepping up and being you know who
Speaker 4: you say you're gonna be, and I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 4: see you know, hopefully you can stand up to the punishment.
Speaker 3: It or not, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4: We fight for the WBSL to be my third world
Speaker 4: title and in my third vision.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: You're already wanted junior middleweight and the middleweight title and undefeated,
Speaker 1: and now you're going for a super middleweight title. Everybody
Speaker 1: believes that this is the setup. Obviously you're on the undercard.
Speaker 1: Caleb Planner is on the main card, the main event
Speaker 1: that night. And everybody's heard about y'all history where you know,
Speaker 1: you know you, you grabbed his bed and supposedly slapped
Speaker 1: you and all this stuff. Y'all don't like each other,
Speaker 1: but according to reports, y'all have talked to each other,
Speaker 1: and y'all like, I ain't gonna call y'all friends or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but y'all understand the business that comes
Speaker 1: with it. Right now, everybody's looking forward to you ultimately
Speaker 1: fighting that dude.
Speaker 2: How much are you looking forward? How much does this
Speaker 2: fight service motivation?
Speaker 1: Knowing that in all likelihood Caleb plant will be next,
Speaker 1: assuming he handles his business Saturday night.
Speaker 3: Right, he has the de interium title.
Speaker 4: Uh, the super should be the super champion should be
Speaker 4: vacated soon and.
Speaker 3: Me and Keler Plant for it should be fighting for
Speaker 3: that world title.
Speaker 4: I want to fight. That's the fight that the fans want.
Speaker 4: That's the fight that needs to happen. You know, if
Speaker 4: ends a bus about it, uh you know the Canelo fight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a cool fight with the fans and all people
Speaker 4: around the world. They rather to see me fight that fight.
Speaker 4: That's the fight I want to have. Yes, we we
Speaker 4: talked about it. We we handle business together.
Speaker 3: You know, he gotta take care his business. I gotta
Speaker 3: take care of mine. You gotta take his family. I
Speaker 3: gotta take care of mine to the same.
Speaker 4: But you got a different hunger in Jamal Sharlow. Now
Speaker 4: that's the fight I won't That's the fight we're gonna have.
Speaker 1: So you want the Caleb Plant fight more than you
Speaker 1: want Canelo more?
Speaker 2: Do you want David Videz?
Speaker 3: Yeah at this point for sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so what's fight?
Speaker 4: Rather? I'd rather fight for my legacy rather than just
Speaker 4: go oh being to be there because he so called
Speaker 4: the Mexican man saying Canelo because he's Canelo.
Speaker 3: You know, he's an all time.
Speaker 4: Great or whatever Hall of Famer you know, can't take
Speaker 4: nothing away from none of these fighters. Kaylerself, he's one
Speaker 4: of those uh high guard champions on me. But I
Speaker 4: feel like this is one of those fights. Me and
Speaker 4: Keler plant we uh this, this would be better right
Speaker 4: now at the time. This would be a better fight
Speaker 4: than a Canelo fighter being to the fight.
Speaker 1: But but why do you want him so badly put it?
Speaker 1: I don't want to speculate for why do you tell
Speaker 1: a world why you want him so bad?
Speaker 4: Got history? We got history. He snuck me at the thing.
Speaker 4: He want to be tough, you want to be you know,
Speaker 4: uh he a coach of vulture. I want all that,
Speaker 4: you know, if you really want me to go there
Speaker 4: with you, you know, uh not on my level. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying from Houston, from me from Tennessee
Speaker 4: whatever with both southern but you know, uh, just speaking
Speaker 4: on it like as well as I can. I want
Speaker 4: to fight somebody that like I want that fight. I'm
Speaker 4: more eager for that fight of anything.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, then that means you're gonna handle your business
Speaker 1: even more Saturday night? Can I get a prediction for
Speaker 1: I let you get on out of you? Are we
Speaker 1: looking at a knockout to Saturday night? Way we're looking for.
Speaker 4: I'm beat his ass for the whole twelve miles and
Speaker 4: if I knock him out, I'm knock him out.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 1: I'll see you soon, man. I'm happy to see you.
Speaker 1: Back hand of your business, so you can stay back.
Speaker 2: I'm talking. I don't want to see. I love your brother,
Speaker 2: you know I love your brother.
Speaker 1: But I was so mad when he was in the
Speaker 1: ring with Canilo because I was like, he's moving up
Speaker 1: two weight classes.
Speaker 2: You were supposed to be in there against that brother bigger.
Speaker 4: And both was mad because I was mad at you
Speaker 4: for picking on Lebron Lebron alone.
Speaker 2: Oh you stopped that.
Speaker 1: Man sme picking on Lebron picked. I'm picking on the
Speaker 1: six eight, two hundred and sixty pound dude. I'm picking
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 2: I'm picking. That's what we do it.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow.
Speaker 4: You're showing up at the fights is just like me
Speaker 4: showing up at Taylor Plant them fights.
Speaker 2: You all the best, man. I'll be watching Saturday night.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to and we'll talk about that Lebron Shore
Speaker 1: when I see you too, talk about all right, head
Speaker 1: to your business, all right, bro, taking these to good
Speaker 1: luck man.
Speaker 2: It was Jamal Taller. I'm wishing him luck.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You know I've had a lot of conferences a few
Speaker 1: conversations with him in the past.
Speaker 2: Man, he's good people.
Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that he handles his business Saturday Night.
Speaker 2: I think he will, and I would like to see
Speaker 2: him against Taylor planning. To be honest with you, really
Speaker 2: really would