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Speaker 1: This is the official show on the Fish Stripes podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Ela Susman, always bringing you Miami Marlins coverage

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Speaker 1: on this pod and fish stripes dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: fish Stripe social media accounts. Right now, we're really scraping

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Speaker 1: It's been a very quiet offseason, especially for this team

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Speaker 1: that we cover and care about so deeply. But two

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voters to mail in their ballots for

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Speaker 1: the class of twenty twenty one. That is always a

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Speaker 1: passionate discussion topic, right Who deserves baseball immortality? I am

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Speaker 1: dedicating most of this episode to breaking down the candidates

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Speaker 1: process in general, but I'm not doing it on my own.

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Speaker 1: Joining me got two great analysts here that are going

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Speaker 1: to help me out through this process. Ethan Podeski. He's

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Speaker 1: been on this podcast feed dozens of times twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: earning their stripes almost every single week. For this twenty

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Speaker 1: here on the pod feed, and very soon starting his

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Speaker 1: own podcast project called Big Hall Talk, which is is

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Speaker 1: right down your alley Ethan on discussing Hall of Famers,

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Speaker 1: potential Hall of famers. So I'm sure you've done your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I had to do a podcast. I

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Speaker 2: it goes from there. Hopefully going to be going kind

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Speaker 2: to be here and talk about one of my favorite topics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and along here with Ethan and I a great

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Speaker 1: young journalist and broadcaster Danielle Alvarez Montes from Lextra Basse.

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Speaker 1: I've seen networks swings and missions in Espanol. He he

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Speaker 1: and so I've been following him on Twitter for years.

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Speaker 1: pod for the first time and then gless porfovar. But

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you man. You know, it's it's a pleasure

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Speaker 3: for me to be here finally on your pot and

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for having me here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my staffers get a chance to cover the game themselves.

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Speaker 1: For people that don't know, I'm based in New York,

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Speaker 1: So thank you to both of you guys. Before getting

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, when you see what the

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting. But I definitely feel that, uh,

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Speaker 3: He's an original Florida Marlin. Yes, that'll be something nice.

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Speaker 1: He is the only active Marlins player in the Venezuelan

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Speaker 3: Well, it was really impressive because that morning when or

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Speaker 3: was facing I think it was both. Both of them

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Speaker 3: have been pictures of the year in Venezuela and right

434
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Speaker 3: now they are at the top of their game. And

435
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Speaker 3: when I saw the quality of the bats that he had,

436
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Speaker 3: that really impressment. I said, Okay, I mean this this

437
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 3: kid could be really good because of how mature he is.

438
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Speaker 1: If I saw that correctly. Isn't old friends Henders Henderson

439
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: Alvarez pitching in the league this year. I think they

440
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Speaker 1: are facing each other. I think there was one game

441
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Speaker 1: where Zulia faced whatever team. Between them, there's a thirteen

442
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Speaker 1: year age difference, so.

443
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Speaker 2: That's no hitter. That's no hitter older, no hitter thrower

444
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Speaker 2: Henderson a.

445
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Speaker 3: Few exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, he faced he faced Jose.

446
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: We had technical problems that night, so we wet. But

447
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: I was supposed to to be in on that game

448
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: as well. I mean, hopefully we got it on the

449
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: air with the guys in in Caracas that were our

450
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: backup guys. But yeah, they faced each other. I I

451
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: don't remember exactly how how it ended, but it's it's

452
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Speaker 3: good to see Henderson trying to to to come back.

453
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Speaker 3: I saw him pitching here in the f I U

454
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Speaker 3: a couple of times. The way he was throwing the ball.

455
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Speaker 3: I know that scouts from the Yankees, the Red Sox,

456
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: the Marlins, Braves, Tampa Bay Rais, and they all saw him. Uh,

457
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: he looked very good. Didn't didn't have luck, but hopefully

458
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 3: he's gonna He's going to be back, you know, and

459
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Speaker 3: to a major league organization.

460
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Speaker 1: So he's the type of player I was talking about

461
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: before where you just need some sort of veteran who's

462
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: been through full major league seasons. And we know he's

463
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: been set back by injuries the past couple of years,

464
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Speaker 1: but fully healthy now. And I know he did pitch

465
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Speaker 1: a little bit last summer in the independent leagues and pitching.

466
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Speaker 3: Now, yes, throwing ninety seven, ninety six, ninety eight. Sometimes

467
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: that has to tell you something. I mean, I saw

468
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: a change up, I saw the slider. They look pretty

469
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: sharp to me, So I say, maybe I don't know,

470
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Speaker 3: you know who I love to see talking about comebacks

471
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Speaker 3: and bringing home some guys unable sensus. I mean, why not.

472
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Speaker 2: I was looking at the I was looking at the

473
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Speaker 2: starting pitching free agent market, and he was a name

474
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Speaker 2: that caught my eye. And there's certainly a lot of

475
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: there's certainly a lot of other guys out there at

476
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: that you know, the Marlins could. I was gonna mention

477
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: that there's guys for, you know, if the Marlins want.

478
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: I had a certified MLB starter that's had success to

479
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: show up that fist spot because you don't really know

480
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: what it's going to be at the beginning of the year.

481
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: There's got there's names they can definitely do it.

482
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Speaker 1: So both with Annyball and with Henderson at the very

483
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Speaker 1: top of their game, there was short windows there where

484
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Speaker 1: there were some of the best starters in all Major

485
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Speaker 1: League Baseball. I mean, I think an all won an

486
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: ERA title in the American League, and yeah, we know.

487
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people don't know how good

488
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: Henderson was those first couple full seasons in the majors,

489
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Speaker 1: but he was. He was incredibly consistent for the Marlins.

490
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Speaker 3: He won the ERA title the same weekend Henderson through

491
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Speaker 3: I know, hitter right.

492
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Speaker 4: Against Detroit, right last series of the season, I think

493
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Speaker 4: against Detroit, Yes, yeah, exactly, so I mean they he

494
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Speaker 4: won the RARA title and then Henderson did magic.

495
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Speaker 1: Well from that, a couple players that had great peaks

496
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: for the Marlins and against the Marlins we transitioned to

497
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame conversation. I believe there are officially

498
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Speaker 1: twenty five players on the ballot this year for the

499
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Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty one people. Most fans know the

500
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: rules that like it or not limited to voting for

501
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: ten players on this ballot in a given year. Voting

502
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: goes to the Baseball Writers Association of America. I think

503
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: at this point there's about four hundred something writers that

504
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: are active voters involved in this. And if you guys

505
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: aren't ready familiar, there is this ballot tracker from Ryan

506
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Thibodeaux on Twitter that he's been running the last handful

507
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: of years to keep track of exactly how the voting

508
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: is going, because ballots went out to voters about a

509
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: month ago, and shortly after that, voter writers started to

510
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: submit their ballots, and we have an early taste at

511
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: what that voting is looking like. But the reason why

512
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: we're recording this subject now is to make a last

513
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Speaker 1: plea to some of the other voters out there that

514
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: have a say in this election. And I mean, hopefully

515
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Speaker 1: the three of us have a say in the election

516
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Speaker 1: some years just down the road as part of the

517
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Speaker 1: voting process, But for right now, this is about making

518
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: the case for some of theserving players that are on

519
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: the ballot, where for years and years there was this

520
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: big backlog of talented players that were kept out by

521
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: changing standards, by the questions about performance enhancing drugs, and

522
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: some of those concerns still apply. But it's a fascinating

523
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: conversation every year because Baseball Hall of Fame has been

524
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Speaker 1: around for so long and the process has always been

525
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: very unique, and this is a very heated discussion topic,

526
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Speaker 1: and I know both of you have given a lot

527
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Speaker 1: of thought into the players on the ballot this year,

528
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Speaker 1: which is why I wanted to hear from both of

529
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Speaker 1: you the players that you would be selecting if you

530
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Speaker 1: were in a position to select. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: we'll start with Ethan just picking any one player that

532
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Speaker 1: you want to start with on this ballot that you

533
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Speaker 1: think is deserving of going into the Hall this year.

534
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Speaker 2: Well, I am a guy. I'm a big haul guy.

535
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Speaker 2: I don't see any reason to keep guys out just

536
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: for an exclusivity factor. If a guy had a career

537
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: worthy of the Hall of Fame, I don't you know.

538
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't care how many of them are on the ballot.

539
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm limited to ten, so I'll vote for ten. There

540
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: are actually eleven this year that I would vote for.

541
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Speaker 2: I'll just go in alphabetical order, and actually, by starting

542
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: in alphabetical order, I start with the biggest one, the

543
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: most important one, the greatest player to ever play the game.

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Speaker 2: Put on an uniform. It's Barry Bonds. There is no

545
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. It is not legitimate. I saw what

546
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: happened with you need an X that big for how

547
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: passionate I am about Barry Bonds' Hall of Fame case.

548
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: Until Barry Bonds is in the Hall of Fame, what

549
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: are we doing? You know, this guy, let me pull

550
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: up some numbers here. I mean, he is, like I said,

551
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: far and away, just the you know, the greatest player

552
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: to ever play the game. You know, I understand that

553
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: that there are people that have the PDS that they're

554
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: not gonna, you know, put in any steroids guys, But

555
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: I don't see it that way, you know. It's just

556
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: kind of that's what the game was back then, and

557
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: Bonds was a you know, a Hall of Famer without it. Anyway,

558
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: he has the fourth highest OPS all time. He has

559
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: the third highest weighted runs created plus of all time,

560
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: the second highest war of all time behind Babe Ruth.

561
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 2: He's the home run king. He's the only member of

562
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: the five hundred home run five hundred stolen bases club.

563
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: He has the most walks of all time, and that's

564
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: like Gretzki style lead over the rest of the pack.

565
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: His block percentage is eight points higher than his K percentage.

566
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Speaker 2: And when he was blackballed from the league in his

567
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: final year in two thousand and seven, he was forty

568
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: something years old and he had an OPS over one thousand,

569
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Speaker 2: which is just absurd. Fourteen All Stars, seven MVPs, twelve

570
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: sluggers eight gold gloves, which you wouldn't think that Barry

571
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: Bonds has eight gold gloves because of what he became

572
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: later in his career, But he was a speed defense

573
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: guy early in his career with the Pirates and even

574
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: when he was with the Giants. That's more gold gloves

575
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: than Larry Walker had. It's the same amount as Scott Rowland,

576
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: who will talk about later, and it's only one less

577
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: than Yadier Molina, who's considered the best defensive player at

578
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: the one of the most important defensive positions. So, like

579
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Speaker 2: I said, there is no Hall of Fame until Barry

580
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Bonds is in it. Put his name down, put an

581
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: X next to it, because he has to be on there.

582
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: And until he's and I hope he's, it seems like

583
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: he might be able to squeeze in next year if

584
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: he gets upwards towards like sixty five percent this year.

585
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: You know, Larry Walker made a huge jump like that,

586
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer now and a guy that should

587
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: have been a Hall of Famer a long time ago.

588
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: But Barry has to be in. It's just how it is.

589
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: That that's where I'll start.

590
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: And I know Danielle that you are gonna vote for

591
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: him too. You sent over ahead of time the ten

592
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: players that you picked, So with your permission, I'll move

593
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: the X on your bell to him as well. But

594
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: we'll go to you with unless you have anything to

595
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: add on Barry just any other player that you want

596
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Speaker 1: to go to among your ten.

597
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Speaker 3: Well you think, well, what then said about Barry. It's true,

598
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Speaker 3: and I know that you know all the discussion with

599
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: the PDS and and all that stuff. It's it's hard

600
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Speaker 3: for me to say no to such a dominant career

601
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: as Barris. I mean, when you speak about dominance for me,

602
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: that's Barry Bonds. Same thing with Roger Clemens. But yeah,

603
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with, you know, in alphabetical order, with

604
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: Bobby now Philly's Hall of Fame member, I have to

605
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: go with Bobby. I mean, I think we are overlooking

606
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: his what his career was, and his number as well.

607
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: And when I look, you know, deep in into into

608
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: his numbers and what he did with with the Phillies

609
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: when he was at the top of his game. I mean,

610
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: it's it's something crazy, and you start seeing him compared

611
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: to guys like even Bonds. But each year Sosa Walker Hilton,

612
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: I mean guys that were under prime to in in

613
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: that same era, and I see him and he was,

614
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, pretty complete as a player, and because he

615
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: was doing basically everything, hitting, running, defensively, I think he

616
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: was unlucky maybe because when he was playing for the Phillies,

617
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: the Phillies never had a great team. And you know

618
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: that that great right for for the Phillies in Norway

619
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: on nine twenty ten started when they traded Bobby. But

620
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: what he meant to them and what he was able

621
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: to do in on every aspect of the game was

622
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: for me just impressive. And and when you see you

623
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: see him compared to some of the players that are

624
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: already in the Hall of Fame or that should be

625
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: hall Hall of Famers as well, for me, he's he's

626
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: right there, and he did everything for a long period

627
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: period of time. Uh in a difficult there as well,

628
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: because of course it was the last year I mean

629
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: those were the last year of the PDS Aaron, so

630
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: he was very difficult to be a guy like Bonds

631
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: or so or maguire and to be that impressive of

632
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 3: impressive and that dominant. So maybe I don't know that's

633
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 3: why people is like overlooking his his numbers or or something,

634
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: but I think he did everything he could to be there.

635
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was actually really interested. I told Eli when

636
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: he told me, you know about the idea for the podcast,

637
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: about hearing from you about Bobby's case, And now that

638
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, I mean, he's got to really

639
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: really His numbers are tremendous. His war is at fifty

640
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: nine point eight, which a lot of people say, sixty

641
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: is that threshold that you're in, and that's right up

642
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: there with it. I don't necessarily set a hard cutoff

643
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: at sixty or anything, but an eight seventy career ops longevity,

644
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: four hundred stolen bases in two hundred eighty eight home

645
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: runs hit a really fantastic career and definitely like opening

646
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: my eyes to him, you know, on my ballot, he's

647
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: in the early stages. I want to say, right this

648
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: second second year. This is his second year, so you know,

649
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: a guy that once some of these guys are off,

650
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: can definitely be online.

651
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as of this recording, I mean, according to

652
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the Battle Tracker from Ryan Sibodeau, only sixteen point three

653
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: percent of the vote, so he'll need it's a long

654
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: shot of him get in this year.

655
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: It's a long shot, but as long as his stays

656
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: in the ballot, and I don't think there's a reason,

657
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: you know, to think that he's gonna fall, you know,

658
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: and have less than five percent, which is the necessary

659
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: to do to on the ballot for ten years. I mean,

660
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: he's he has a pretty good chance to maybe go

661
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: two percent more, maybe six percent. That could be good

662
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: for him, but he has to start making the case

663
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: as well. I know the Phillies are helping him. I

664
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: remember what Vladdy Guerrero did a couple of years ago.

665
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: The first time he was on the ballot. He felt short,

666
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: I don't I don't remember his percentage, but then the

667
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: jump but that he made when he got in was

668
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 3: really impressive. And I remember he was traveling all around

669
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: the country in Miami, La, Washington. I think he was

670
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: there as well. Yeah, there are on every CD he

671
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: played like talking to two voters like, hey, I have

672
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: a pretty good case now. So maybe I don't know

673
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: if Probably's gonna do something like that.

674
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: There there are some guys and I kind of hate

675
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: this that won't you know, They're like, oh, he's a

676
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: fourth ballot Hall of Famer. What's the difference between a

677
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: first ballot guy and a fourth ballot guy. Obviously, you know,

678
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: the first ballot, there's something to be said about you know,

679
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: that is usually reserved for you know, the Marianos was

680
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: the first unanimous, and then Ken Griffey was the first ballot,

681
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: and you know some of these other guys that it's

682
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 2: usually reserved for the top of you know, the cream

683
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: of the crop. But if you're voting, if you're gonna

684
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: vote for him in year seven, why are you not

685
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: voting for him in year two?

686
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: So a lot.

687
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at you do that drug right there.

688
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: I don't get it either. So, you know, you guys

689
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: usually make big jumps later on. But he's gonna stay.

690
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: He only needs, i think it said, only thirteen more

691
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: votes to stay above that five point five. He'll get

692
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: that with these and so yeah, he'll be on for

693
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: years to come.

694
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I imagine, is he on your ballot this year, Ethan?

695
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: Is he one of your ten?

696
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: He is not there are Like I said, I'm just

697
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: really starting to learn about his case. But he will be.

698
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: He will be once.

699
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you something.

700
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. You know, Shillings probably getting in this year,

701
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: and then there will be a couple of guys in

702
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: the next couple of years that their cases are done

703
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: or you know, they they're up, their time is up.

704
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: So once you know some of these other guys, yeah,

705
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: I will absolutely be voting for Bobby.

706
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: Right, well, we'll give us give us one of yours

707
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Ethan aside from Barry.

708
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: The next one I'm just gonna keep because I'm looking

709
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: at it this way, I'm gonna keep going down in

710
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: alphabetical order. Is Roger Clemens the Rocket. Again, There's no

711
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame without Roger Clemens. He is arguably the

712
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: greatest pitcher to ever take them out. You know, it's

713
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: hard for me, I don't look, you know, it's harder

714
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: to talk about some of these pitching metrics and really

715
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: understand how they measure up. So I'm not gonna throw

716
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of numbers at you. But I mean, he's

717
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: got it all. He's third all time in strikeouts, eleven

718
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: time All Star, he won seven Cy Youngs. He was

719
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: considered by you know, the voters to be the best

720
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: pitcher in the league seven years in his career. That's tremendous.

721
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: He led the er He led the league in e

722
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 2: er a seven times, five times, in strikeouts four times,

723
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: and wins. He has an MVP. He won two Triple Crowns,

724
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: and he won a couple World Series one of the

725
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: best pictures of all time. I understand, you know, the

726
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: ped things and everything. I have never been one to

727
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: keep a guy out of the Hall of Fame because

728
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: the peds. There are some cases, you know, a guy

729
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: test twice or whatever, But when it's Roger Clemens and

730
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: when it's Barry Bonds, that's it.

731
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: They have to be in.

732
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, say, I agree with you year as well with

733
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: the Rocket, I mean he has to be there. When

734
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: when you speak about dominance again with with Berry and

735
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: being the best of the best, you have to think

736
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 3: about Roger, and he's up there for sure. I mean

737
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: he he has to be on the on the whole.

738
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: I think that, and don't I don't know if if

739
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: this is good or not, but they're gonna get in

740
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: next year when it's there last year because I think

741
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: that it's maybe a punishment from from the voters because

742
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 3: of the pee thing, which was never proven by MLB.

743
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: They never tested positive like we know, and I don't.

744
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: I don't think we need more evidence than the one

745
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: we have. But I think they're gonna get there eventually,

746
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: maybe next year, I mean twenty twenty two, because I

747
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: think it might be a punishment from from their red writers,

748
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, to wait on until their last year on

749
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: the ballot. Then maybe on year ten, you know, go for.

750
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: It again and again. That's another thing that I really

751
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: don't like is saying I'm gonna keep I'm going to

752
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: keep you out because of.

753
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: What you think vote from it.

754
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It really kind of pisses me off.

755
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: And Yeah, if.

756
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: They get to that sixty four sixty five, which I

757
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: think is where they're hanging out right now, if they

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: get to that sixty four to sixty five percentage, an

759
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: eleven point chump, especially if a lot of those voters

760
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: like you said, which I think some of them will,

761
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, just waiting until that tenth ballot, he'll they'll

762
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: make a you know, Larry jumped like I don't. I

763
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: can't even he was at like fifty nine or sixty something.

764
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: So if they're hanging around where they need a ten

765
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: to eleven point chump, they have a good shot next year.

766
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: All right, well, Donielle will get a number four from you,

767
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: your your fourth player, having already picked to bring you

768
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: or Bonds, Roger Clements, who else?

769
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm gonna go with th h. Todd Hilton

770
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: from first baseman, one of the most I mean, when

771
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: when that guy steps out to play, I mean he was,

772
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you knew that there was always the possibility

773
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: to see something real good happening, especially in Colorado. Uh,

774
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: he was maybe one of the top three first basements

775
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: of his generation when when he played and when he

776
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: was on his prime, a leader in that team that

777
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: never got pitching support. Of course, it's difficult to get

778
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: that that course field. But what he what he mentored

779
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: the Rockies and what he did, you know, during those seasons,

780
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: and especially when I go to the year two thousand thousand,

781
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how he finished fifth in an l

782
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: m VP voting. That's something just crazy for me. I mean,

783
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? You're you're talking about the guy

784
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: who led the league in average with three seventy two

785
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: slugging uh six ninety eight ops, I mean one hundred

786
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: and sixty two. That's something crazy. So PS one was

787
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: one sixty three, So that's sixties three points above Lee Gaverage.

788
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you looking for? I know, cores

789
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: and all that stuff you want, but are you seeing that?

790
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean, now, he didn't win the MVP, or at

791
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: least was a finalist, and he also played a very

792
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: very good first base. He was really good with the glove.

793
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: And when you see that, how you know complete he

794
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: was at this time? For me, it's a it's a

795
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 3: no brainer and thought has to be a Hall of famer.

796
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually where I was good. Yeah, that's where

797
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna go next as well, you like, you know,

798
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: this is the this is the new Larry Walker in

799
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: a way, except I think Larry had a more polished,

800
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: better resume, and his home road splits weren't quite as

801
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: bad as Helton start, but Helton bad at all. He

802
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: had a nine to ninety nine ops at home and

803
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: then eight thirty three ops, so that's certainly a big,

804
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: a big change. But he was still a really good

805
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: hitter away from corrus Field. He had a one twenty

806
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: one rated runs creative plus, which I believe his park adjusted,

807
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: so a very good hitter. Nine to fifty three career ops,

808
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty two way to runs, creative plus

809
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: fifty five more, three time goal glover, four time super slugger.

810
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: So he did it on both sides of the plate.

811
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: And until Coo Hooles came in, probably the best first

812
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: baseman in the National League and was on track to be,

813
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, the best first baseman in the National League

814
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: in his era until that guy in Saint Louis joined

815
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: the league. So this is this is another one. You know,

816
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: he's going to be held out because of the ballpark thing,

817
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: and I think that's the MLB chose to have a

818
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: team in Colorado, not Marry Walker, not Todd Helton, so

819
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be punished for that. Todd Helton's got a

820
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: more deserving career of being in the Hall of Fame.

821
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's not one of the you know, not

822
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: the strongest case on the ballot like Barry is, but

823
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: it's a very strong one and it's one that I

824
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: feel is certainly warranted.

825
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll mention it a little later. How I

826
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: feel about Helton. He's one that I wiggled back and

827
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: forth on him being a couple of years older than

828
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: you guys, having watched a little bit more of his career,

829
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: and it's stricty because I feel like at the time

830
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: he was underappreciated, and it's always a factor when possible.

831
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we don't have quite the perspective we'd

832
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: want on some of these older players, not remembering them.

833
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: But he was a guy that despite the like undisputable

834
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: dominant numbers that he put up during his prime, I

835
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: felt that he wasn't top of mind for me watching

836
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: him live as a baseball fan for reasons outside of

837
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: his control, of course, with the Rockies just not being

838
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: very good at all any year until they broke through

839
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: made the World Series in two thousand and seven, and

840
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: then by that point he was ready probably passed this peak,

841
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: so he was That's why it's gonna be fascinating journey

842
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: for him on the ballot. He's I mean, he's doing

843
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: pretty solidly on the voting so far, I think, receiving

844
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: over half of the support on the publicly known ballots,

845
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: like fifty three percent, where again this year is it's

846
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna be tough for him to get in, but he's

847
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: on that trajectory that usually when players receive this much

848
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: support and still have a little while to go with

849
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: their eligibility, they usually get over that hump, moving right along. No, well, okay, yeah,

850
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: so I.

851
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Just had one more I just had one more point

852
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: to make about Helton, and it's the Rockieskuys. You don't

853
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: often think of them as great fielders, and certainly Helton,

854
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, playing first base, he was a big power guy.

855
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: Three gold gloves is really good, you know. That's so

856
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: it shows he did he did it all around. So

857
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: it's it's a very it's definitely a fascinating case. And

858
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: those Rockies. You know, when Aeronauto comes up eventually, which

859
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be on a ballot down the line,

860
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: he'll be another guy that's you know, very interesting. And

861
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: Larry went all the way to the end, so this

862
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: will be one that will be drawn out. But yeah,

863
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: it's it's there are two sides every argument, and and

864
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: except Barry Bonds, but there are two sides every argument,

865
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: and and this one is certainly fascinating.

866
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep keep moving down your ballot. Give us the

867
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: next player that you'd vote for, Ethan.

868
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: All right, so next I'll go, I'll go. So the

869
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: next next time, I'm gonna go to Andrew Jones. Yes,

870
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: and this is This is not one of the stronger

871
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: cases on the ballot. You know, if I were a

872
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: small Hall guy and I really wanted to only for

873
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: four or five, maybe this one wouldn't be on there.

874
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: But basically it comes down to this. He's arguably the

875
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: best defensive center fielder since Willie Mays, and he hit

876
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty home runs in his career. So

877
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: the reason that Hill a lot of guys will argue

878
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: against him is his career didn't last very long. He

879
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: was kind of derail. His career was kind of deraled

880
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: by injuries. For a lot of his career. He was

881
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: a relatively average hitter, and his batting average, I think

882
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: is only two fifty four lifetime. That let me just

883
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: check and make sure, but that is pretty much argument

884
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: against him. He only a two fifty four hit ter

885
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: lifetime even one to eleven way to runs great a plus,

886
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: but a sixty seven war and that's the sign of

887
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: a really good player who wasn't the goodest hitter of

888
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: all time, but is one of the best defensive players

889
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: at one of the most important defensive positions and one

890
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: of the key parts of a I guess you wouldn't

891
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: say a dynasty because they only won one World Series,

892
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: but a powerhouse in the nineties. That team ran the nineties,

893
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: especially in the National League East and in the National League,

894
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: and he was a huge part of it. Andrew Jones

895
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: was a terror when I was a kid. Him and

896
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: Chipper were a terror. And like I said, that combination

897
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: of exceptional, you know, top notch defense. I don't know.

898
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: Let me get the number on how many cold gloves

899
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: he has. He has ten gold gloves. Ten gold gloves,

900
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: So there you go. Once he's starting them, nobody else

901
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: won them. He's one of the befenders of all time.

902
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: And to me, his bat, you know, pushes him over.

903
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: It's good enough to push him over that threshold of

904
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: being a Hall of Famer.

905
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty interesting because when when you don't have,

906
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: you know, like great offensive numbers like Varian and other

907
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: guys could have, maybe Helton, I don't know, but you

908
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: need to be that good of a defensive player to

909
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: be in. And that's why John's for me, it's a

910
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: no brainer as a Hall of Famer. Maybe yeah and

911
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: maybe not. I mean, he was for sure the best

912
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: center fielder of his generation defensively, and he deserves to

913
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: be there for sure.

914
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: Alrighty, yeah, so five players on your ballot, Danielle, so far,

915
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: give us another.

916
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: One Scott Rowland. Uh, I'm saying it and you know, yeah, okay,

917
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 3: so so yeah, So when when you think about Nolan

918
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: an adult right now, I mean, for me, he's a

919
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: new age new Scott Rowling. I mean, of course, Nolan

920
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 3: is of course an MVP type caliber player every single year.

921
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: But Scott was just again so dominant his position playing

922
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: third base, one of the best in the business to

923
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: to ever do it. He was also a really good

924
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: offensive player more than yeah, great offensive players likely. I

925
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: mean for his position. To be a guy with seventy

926
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: one war that's a lot. I mean, of course what

927
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: Ethan said, sixty maybe is like not the key, but

928
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 3: at least, you know, like a base for players to

929
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 3: get in the Hall of Fame, you know, to be

930
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: ten points over that. It's it's really good. And and yeah,

931
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: when when we look at his career as a Rookie

932
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: of the Year seven time, also are eight Gold Gloves,

933
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: two thousand and six Gold Series. He was very important

934
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: for those Cardinals, you know, six and four. He was

935
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: a great leader on that team. What I mean the

936
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: combination he had with Pool Holes and Jim Edmunds, Rookie

937
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: YARDI Molina Larry Walker in O four as well, when

938
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: he went there in the middle of the season. I mean,

939
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: that doesn't thing something great. And I think that Scott

940
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: as well, all deserves to be in the hall. And

941
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: when nicee a guy like Jones, and I don't like

942
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: to do this too much, but when I say okay,

943
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: for me, Andrew Johnson serves to be there, I look

944
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: at guys like Roland. I mean they had pretty similar

945
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: careers and for me, of course, he just serves to

946
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: be there as well.

947
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: So I am in on Roland and I'm going to

948
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: hit two birds with one stone right here. I'm going

949
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: to do Jeff Kent as well, because when you talk

950
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: about these guys, you have to talk about them together

951
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: a little bit because they're almost the same offensive player there.

952
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: They have the same exact yes in their careers. They're

953
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: both eight fifty five ops guys, and Kent has a

954
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: one to twenty three way to runs creative plus and

955
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: Roland has a one to twenty two way it runs

956
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: creative plus. Jeff Kent is the greatest power hitting second

957
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: baseman ever, and I think that is worthy of something.

958
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: That's something we should recognize. Every position is different, and

959
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: I think that you kind of have to weigh a

960
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: guy out of their position, and if he's one of

961
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: the best at his position, ever, he should be he

962
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: should be in. So Ken is again there. You know,

963
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: sometimes guys talk about the Hall of Fame versus the

964
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: Hall of very Good, And when when I draw my

965
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: line between the Hall of Fame and the Hall of

966
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: very Good, Jeff Kent is just above it, and then

967
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: Tory Hunter, who we just passed, is just below it.

968
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: So Jeff Kent had a very nice career fifty six War.

969
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: He won an MVP, a very like I said, a

970
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: very very good offensive player. His downfall was on the defense,

971
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: which is where Roland comes in and really cements himself

972
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: as a as a Hall of Famer because he's Jeff

973
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: can if he were an elite defender. I think Roland,

974
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, has equal gloves. That's the same amount

975
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: as Barry Bonds. He's got sixty nine point nine fanast War,

976
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: higher than my king Larry Walker. So and that's seventy

977
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: is usually that's if there's an auto seventy is pretty

978
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 2: much auto. So I don't know how he doesn't get

979
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: more respect. When I looked at Scott Roland's case, when

980
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: my buddy mentioned a few years ago to me that

981
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: he has a really strong case, I was blown away.

982
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: I knew he was a great player, but I didn't

983
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: realize he was this good. I think he's sure fire.

984
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: And you talked about a guy on the Cardinals team,

985
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: Jim Edmonds. I just want to give him a shout out.

986
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: He should still be on the ballot, and the fact

987
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: that he is in makes me very angry. But Scott Rowland,

988
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: like you said, Danielle, a huge part of the six

989
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: World champions and those Cardinal teams and the Phillies as well.

990
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: Great on the Phillies.

991
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, to me, the Fittes are making a campaigns,

992
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, with with Bobby and Scott, and I mean

993
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: they have to do it, yep.

994
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: And if you have Kent, you have to have Roland.

995
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: But it's not the other way around.

996
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

997
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Roland now fourth year of eligibility. His first year,

998
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: he only got about twelve percent of the vote this

999
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: year currently at fifty five point eight, so the perception

1000
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: on him has changed pretty quickly. I mean, some of

1001
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: that is also about the ballot thing less congested, you know,

1002
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: some of those that backlog finally getting off where multiple

1003
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Hall of famers got elected the past few years. So yeah,

1004
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: finally getting his time.

1005
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: Year from now, it's going to be really interesting with Scott.

1006
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly where it's This year will be tough.

1007
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Hill need to be on seventy seven percent of the

1008
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: unknown ballots, but if not, then it moves over to

1009
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: next year. So at this point, both of you guys

1010
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: picked out six players on your ballot, I know, So

1011
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: we'll move on to number seven for Don Yelle.

1012
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: All right, so okay, if you could show the ballots, well, yeah,

1013
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: a second to make sure I'm not messing something up,

1014
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: but yeah, for number seven, okay, okay, I see it now, Okay,

1015
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: the greatest pitcher in playoffs history, Court Chilling, I know,

1016
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: I mean, and for or I mean, one of the greatest,

1017
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: maybe not the greatest, but one of the greatest pictures

1018
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: to you know, to be in the playoffs. And it

1019
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: also had a really good career, but a really good

1020
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: career that was not as good as maybe Clemens or

1021
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: Randy Johnson or Pedro Martinez. Guys, he he had to,

1022
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, fight for a cy young or something like that,

1023
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: but he was pretty dominant as well. And and what

1024
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: he showed in October with the Diamondbacks and then with

1025
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: the Red Sox and battle for a season with the

1026
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: bloody he saw and the injury he had for me

1027
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: something amazing to look at the numbers and and and

1028
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: what he represented to each of those teams. I know

1029
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: about his comments on Instagram and Perry's cobe and the

1030
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: way he thinks about life. And for me, you know,

1031
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 3: it's it's very you know, difficult to swallow. But at

1032
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: the same time, of course Hall of Fame should be

1033
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: and it is about integrity. When when we have a

1034
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: guy like ty Cobin the Hall of Fame or guys

1035
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: like that play at the beginning of the century of

1036
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: the last century. For me, it's like, I mean, whatever,

1037
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he has to be there. He was just

1038
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: such a great player and such a great peacher.

1039
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get to shilling in a second. My next

1040
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: vote is I'm gonna try and stick in alphabetical order.

1041
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: Here is a teammate of Shillings in that world series

1042
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: and it's many or mirrors, and this is one of

1043
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: the more complicated ped cases because he was suspended twice.

1044
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: I have said that I be voting for Robbie Cano

1045
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: because he was suspended twice. But man, he's got a

1046
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: much better case than Robbie Cano does. One of the

1047
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: greatest hitters of our generation. I think people don't really

1048
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: realize just how good. Let's look at these numbers here,

1049
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: sixty six point three war that's really good, nine to

1050
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: ninety six career ops, one fifty three way to runs

1051
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: create a plus, twelve time All Star, nine time Silver Slugger,

1052
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: World Series MVP, you know, was a huge part of

1053
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: that court curse breaking run in four for the Red Sox.

1054
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: Great player. The numbers certainly line up. The defensive side

1055
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: is lacking. But I value offense. I value both, and

1056
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: it's we'll talk about that in a case down the line.

1057
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: I know you know which one done, yell, But I

1058
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: value offense a little more just because of the way

1059
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: it contributes to winning ball games. And because of that,

1060
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: I think when you have a great hitter as great

1061
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: as many he can't, he's got to be the thing

1062
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: for me.

1063
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, one positive test, okay, I can't

1064
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: live with that, but two and the way he and

1065
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: the way he left baseball in twenty twelve after testing

1066
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: the second time, you know, not being able to you know,

1067
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: to to come back and you know, to say goodbye

1068
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: on a high note. For me, it was really disappointing.

1069
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: I was kind of expecting more from many on that side.

1070
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I was not expecting him to go out

1071
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: and hit thirty five home runs or have an MBNP

1072
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: type season.

1073
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: No, but at least get out and something.

1074
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: Like give me something. At least give me, give me

1075
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: an apologize or something.

1076
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: You know, Well, we need to point out that he

1077
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: hasn't said goodbye yet. He's not done.

1078
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: You know, he's playing.

1079
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: That's something profile didn't didn't you decide a couple of

1080
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: years back in Japan for like free sushi or something.

1081
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: You played I believe in Japan. And yeah, now he's

1082
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: in Australia, so that that season's about.

1083
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: That's another thing is it's longevity. He played forever. But

1084
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: I see, I absolutely see what you're saying, Donielle, because yes,

1085
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: two cases is very two times is very different than one.

1086
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm leaving. You know, Robbie Cano

1087
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: won't make my ballot because of his second test, but

1088
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: Manny's resume is just a little bit too convincing and

1089
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: it's one of my weaker votes on here because of that.

1090
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: For sure.

1091
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: All right, give us your next player, Danielle.

1092
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: Gary Sheffield. I can can't leave Sheffield lot off my valman,

1093
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? Five hundred at five o

1094
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: nine home home runs to an average not a big

1095
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: batting average guy, but ops over nine hundred ops plus

1096
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: or you know, one hundred and forty and you know,

1097
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: fear every time you face a guy like Sheffield, and

1098
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: I as a keyd I a lot when I was

1099
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: watching games and on TV with my with my grandfather,

1100
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: and always cut my attention. You know, the stance, you know,

1101
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 3: the way he was he was moving the bodies like

1102
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: I mean, why is he doing that? And I remember

1103
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: him telling me he's doing that because he's very strong,

1104
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: and you know, power is something very attractive. You know

1105
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: when you see a baseball player, and you saw the

1106
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: dominance of Gary during his time is it's it's something

1107
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 3: unbelievable because he was not only a home run hitter,

1108
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: he was a really complete player, a complete hitter, and

1109
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: that's something that has a lot of value to me. Also,

1110
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 3: nine time All Star, five times Silvers Lover World Series

1111
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: in ninety seven. It's important, you know, World series are

1112
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: important and esecially if you're a guy like Sheffield. And

1113
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: he played a big role in the ninety seventh season

1114
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: for the Florida Marlin. So for me, of course, Gary

1115
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: is an old brainer.

1116
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll I'll just go right ahead and go with

1117
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: Gary as well. You know, I just know him. When

1118
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: I see Gary Sheffield on the ballot, I just kind

1119
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: of say to myself, he has to be in, right,

1120
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, and we need a Marlin. Somebody get me

1121
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: a guy that would go in as a Marlin. And

1122
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: I really think, you know, I never realized that his

1123
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: prime was here. His best years were in a Marlin's uniform.

1124
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: You could very well argue. So a tremendous hitter. You know,

1125
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: some people will say his defense was really, really, really terrible.

1126
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean one of you know, arguably you know, down

1127
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: up there on this ballot and would be one of

1128
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: maybe the worst defenders in the Hall of Fame. But again,

1129
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: that offense is just too good. One of the best

1130
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: hitters of his generation. And yeah, Sheffield, and then I'll

1131
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: go I'll catch up officially and chilling is online as well.

1132
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard because of again the way he thinks,

1133
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: like like Donielle mentioned, but he's one of the probably

1134
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: twenty greatest pitchers of all time, you know, Donielle said,

1135
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: maybe the best playoff pitcher ever one World Series with

1136
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,959
Speaker 2: a couple of teams, and is he's too good. And

1137
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame voters are not the character police.

1138
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: We're not here to keep you out because of you know,

1139
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: I want to judge you based on what you did

1140
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: on the baseball field and and that's what it should be.

1141
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: And it you know, it's as upsetting as it is

1142
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: because I disagree with him in so many facets about

1143
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: so many of the things that he said, and I

1144
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: really just think of him, you know, it's it's hard,

1145
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, he is what

1146
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: he is, and he's.

1147
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: It's it's hard because he's still like that. I mean,

1148
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: he's not a changer. He's not apologizing. I mean, he

1149
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: doesn't care anything.

1150
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: He's only gotten worse since he's you know, he did

1151
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: it at ESPN and then he just kind of said

1152
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: this is who I am and I don't care about it.

1153
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: And he's laid it on the line for us, and

1154
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: there are people that have taken him off the ballot.

1155
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people.

1156
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got We'll go back to Danielle with your

1157
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: final two, well one at a time, filling out this ballot.

1158
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: You have a bray you Bonds, Clemens, Helton, Andrew Jones,

1159
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: Scott Rowland, Hilling Sheffield and next.

1160
01:04:54,680 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 3: Up and maybe the best left handed reliever picture of

1161
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: all time, Billy Wagner. Ah if Trevor hoff Madison in

1162
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. I know he does not have

1163
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: as many saves as Trevor, but he was as good

1164
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 3: as Trevor, maybe better than Trevor, probably most most more

1165
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: effective than him. And he was just great for for

1166
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 3: a you know, good number of seasons. I mean to

1167
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: be playing there for for sixteen seasons and being pretty

1168
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: dominant as a reliever. I mean, when you had a

1169
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: guy like Wagner in the seven, eight or nine then

1170
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: and you knew that it was going to be really

1171
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: difficult to come back and to do him some damage.

1172
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: And basically that's that's what he showed during during his career.

1173
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: He was a seventh time All Star, which is pretty

1174
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 3: interesting because he seems like when he had a maybe

1175
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: a down season, he came back for more and and

1176
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: was really great. And for me, he has to be there.

1177
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 3: I mean when when I see him compared to of

1178
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 3: course guys like Mariano, Trevor k Rudd, lease me. I mean,

1179
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: for me, he has to be there.

1180
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he debuted on the ballot six years ago

1181
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: only ten percent of the vote, and another one like

1182
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Scott Roland that has gained a lot, I mean currently

1183
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: pacing at forty four percent, and maybe he ends up

1184
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: a little bit lower than that as this process lays out.

1185
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so still another four years left of eligibility

1186
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: after this year.

1187
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm my final vote here is right there, Billy Wagner.

1188
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: I think Danielle said it best. Relievers have to be

1189
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: a part of the Hall of Fame. They're a huge

1190
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: part of the game. You can't keep him out just

1191
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: because the only pitch an inning at a time or

1192
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I just don't see how you can

1193
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: do it. I think you can admit the number of

1194
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: relievers and kind of, you know, raised the standard, But

1195
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: is there a higher standard than Billy Wagner, especially from

1196
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: the left side of the mountain he's the best left

1197
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: handed reliever of all time. When I tell you that

1198
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: the best left handed reliever of all time isn't in

1199
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, doesn't that sound a bit ridiculous.

1200
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: So Billy Wagner, he's got the ninth highest k per

1201
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: nine of all time, a two point three to one

1202
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: e r a, a two point seventy three whip out

1203
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: of guys aren't retired yet. He's second behind Rob Dibble.

1204
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, like, like I said, you have to have

1205
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: the best left handed reliever in in baseball ever in

1206
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. It's just how it has to be.

1207
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1208
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: I think we should open a wing for pinch hitters

1209
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: and utility guys or something and and but this is

1210
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: you have to have relievers a key part of the game.

1211
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: It's such a key part of the game. And Billy

1212
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: is as good as.

1213
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: Especially in those situations, because when when you're a reliever

1214
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: and you see guys that can have a plus fastball

1215
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: and a nasty hook with a breaking ball or a

1216
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 3: grew good change or something like that, but you have

1217
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: to be there, and there's the human element when you're

1218
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: closing the game or when you're in the eighth or

1219
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: ninth inning. That is very different from when you're pitching

1220
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: in the fifth, sixth, you know, or in any situation

1221
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: when the game is opening, you are either losing or winning,

1222
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 3: and you know you had the confidence all the time.

1223
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 3: But when he was there, he was going to get

1224
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 3: you three outs or four or five or whatever you needed.

1225
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 3: And that's why for me, Billy is a Hall of Famer.

1226
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: And now we finish up with your tenth and final pick, Danielle,

1227
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: now that Ethan has filled his out. A couple minors

1228
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: agreements between you guys, but on the same page with

1229
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: Barry and Roger Clemons and Helton and Jones and Roland Shilling,

1230
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: Sheffield's Wagner. I mean a lot of times.

1231
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: I think, I know and I know that we agree

1232
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 3: on maybe eighty percent of our ballots, which is awesome,

1233
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: but he's twenty percent, and especially this is ten percent

1234
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: that's going to be huge right here. Of course, Omar

1235
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: b scale maybe after ozz is with the greatest defensive

1236
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 3: shortstop of his generation, and where do you start with

1237
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 3: viscale games played, longevity, gold gloves, effectiveness, leadership, But also

1238
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: when you see highlights from Omar, it's like seeing a

1239
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 3: dancer in short stuff, and he always says that you

1240
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 3: have to be a really good dancer to play that decision,

1241
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 3: and that describes him very well, and it's something that

1242
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: you just can't see and see that magic over second basement.

1243
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 3: That was just amazing, how maybe ahead of everybody he

1244
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 3: was mentally in the game and being such an intelligent player,

1245
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: smart player. It's baseball like he was pretty high. And

1246
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 3: also when you see in the numbers, of course the

1247
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: offensive numbers are not great, and I agree with that.

1248
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you played for twenty four years and you

1249
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 3: didn't even get to three thousand hits. That maybe tells

1250
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: you something. But he, of course he was not there

1251
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 3: because of it's often he was there because he was

1252
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: good as defender, and he for me, he deserves to

1253
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: be there. I know that there's a situation now off

1254
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: the field, and you know it applies the same thing

1255
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 3: with Shielding and his comments. I know that he was

1256
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 3: accused of domestic violence. The thing is that in my position,

1257
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 3: it's pretty difficult because not only in Venezuela, but I

1258
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: have been knowing Omar for years. My mom went to

1259
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 3: high school with him forty years ago, so I know

1260
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: him pretty well. And I know a part of the

1261
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 3: story that is not on Ken Rosenthal's article on the

1262
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: Athletic And I know now a lot of the things

1263
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 3: that happened and that didn't happen. So it's pretty difficult,

1264
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 3: you know, to to go out and say, hey, you know,

1265
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: that didn't happen like that, because of course it didn't

1266
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: happen the way it's shown over there. But I don't

1267
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 3: think I'm the right guy because of everything I mentioned

1268
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 3: in right now to say this. But for me, he's yeah,

1269
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 3: he's he's a Hall of Famer. He was such a

1270
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 3: good defender a short step for twenty four years and

1271
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 3: the impact he had was huge.

1272
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: This is certainly eli the most controversial case on the ballot,

1273
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 2: i'd say, and it's because it's two very different theories

1274
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: on the game of baseball and how you view the

1275
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame going head to head. Right, So there's

1276
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: the people that say being the second best defensive shortstop

1277
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: of all time is enough, and then there's the people

1278
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: that say baseball is a two sided game. And I

1279
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: know that I said earlier, Gary Sheffield is one of

1280
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: the worst defended defenders of all time. There, you know,

1281
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 2: there how can you vote him in. I value offense

1282
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: a little more in terms of the way that it

1283
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 2: gets you into the Hall of Fame. I acknowledge Viscal's greatness.

1284
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: It's undeniable. He was, you know, an eleven time goal

1285
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,919
Speaker 2: Glove winner. And for me, I don't love defensive metrics

1286
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: because how can you really put a number on that,

1287
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 2: And I don't really understand them as much as other people.

1288
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: So I go more eye test defense, and he passes

1289
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 2: the eye test with flying colors. I heard a really

1290
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: interesting discussion about this on the Levatarge with Tim Kirkshon

1291
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: talking about Ozzie Smith, and they were rausing him about

1292
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, Ozzie Smith can't be a Hall of Famer

1293
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: because he was such a terrible hitter. But Ozzie Smith

1294
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: played a very different game hitter. Short stops didn't hit period.

1295
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: Back in that day. They you know, they were eight

1296
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: hitters that you buried to kind of save them, and

1297
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: they were out there for defense. And that shown in

1298
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: the fact that Ozzie Smith won a Silver Slugger great

1299
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: crazy enough to believe, but Ozzie is the best defender

1300
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: at any position in the history of the game. And

1301
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 2: to me, he's the only person that can get in

1302
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: solely off of defense. And also his offensive numbers are

1303
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:53,520
Speaker 2: better than the offensive numbers. So I understand the attachment

1304
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: that you have to him. And if I were in

1305
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: your position, I would be going crazy for him to

1306
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 2: get in, because you know, he's from my he's from

1307
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 2: your country and everything. And I respect everybody's opinion and

1308
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 2: but but but it's one of the copper ones.

1309
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: But but I want to make something clear. The first year,

1310
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't a ballot for me. It was not a

1311
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. But mean, but when you see the

1312
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 3: names that were there two years, three years ago, you say, Okay,

1313
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: Like right now, if I had all I wouldn't vote

1314
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 3: for for Omer. But because of how the ballot.

1315
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 2: Is right now, and it's a weaker ballot this year.

1316
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: It's a week, it's a weaker ballot ballot this year,

1317
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a weaker ballot next

1318
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: year or even two years from now, and he's going

1319
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: to have maybe a higher chance to to get more votes.

1320
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. Because of the situation that is going

1321
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 3: on right now, I hope everything gets clear as soon

1322
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 3: as possible, because of course this this is gonna affect

1323
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 3: him going and going forward. But yes, I agree with you.

1324
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: The thing is that I certainly believe that he was such,

1325
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: I mean so good as a defender that even though

1326
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 3: with his offensive numbers, he might have a chance together

1327
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 3: and deserve to be there. Also, you have to be

1328
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 3: very careful with longevity, because I mean, there's a reason

1329
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 3: why you played twenty four years. But when was the

1330
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: I mean in those yeah, I mean to play twenty

1331
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: four years. To be doing something for twenty four years,

1332
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 3: it's it's unbelievable. But to be playing in the big

1333
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: leagues for twenty four years, man, that tells you at

1334
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 3: the thing is that how many of those years were

1335
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 3: great or good? At least good for Omer seventeen sixteen,

1336
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 3: maybe eighteen years because the last what I remember the

1337
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: most about Omer in twenty twelve, the Blue Es and

1338
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: the Rangers, the White Sox last.

1339
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 5: Part of his career, I remember him with the Giants,

1340
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 5: with the Giants Giants, those were not the lead years

1341
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 5: for bi skills, of course, not being thirty eight, forty

1342
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 5: forty two, forty five.

1343
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: I think it belaved forty five. Of course, it's it's

1344
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: pretty difficult. But at the same time, it's about his

1345
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: discipline and how give us getting on his business every

1346
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 3: single day, you know, to play that much of a time.

1347
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: So that tells you something about Omar.

1348
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: And one thing people have to understand about me is

1349
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: I exaggerate my stances on everything to the maximum. So

1350
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: I don't actually hate Omar bris scale. And if he

1351
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: gets in, yeah, I won't agree with it. But and

1352
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 2: he's got he's probably let's be clear here, he's probably

1353
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: going to get in, especially with a weaker ballot, weaker

1354
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 2: ballots coming down the line, like you said, you know,

1355
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: this year, I don't know if anybody's going to get in.

1356
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: Shillings got the best shot and and and he might

1357
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: not even make it. So with weaker ballots coming, I

1358
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 2: think Omar is going to get in. And when he does,

1359
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: what am I going to do? I don't have a vote.

1360
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: I should have a vote, give even a vote, by

1361
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 2: the way, But anyway, I think, yes, there are certainly

1362
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 2: you know, if you look at the game one way,

1363
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: like I said, if you look it one way and

1364
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 2: if you look at it a different way, you have

1365
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: two very different opinions clashing on the scale, and that's

1366
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: what makes it fun. Because it's it's such a clash

1367
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: of styles of the game. It's the old way to

1368
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: play where shortstops didn't have to hit, and it's the

1369
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: new wave of Fernando Tattiss Trevor's story and guys watching

1370
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, the guys now Korea and seeing this and

1371
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 2: saying a six eighty eight, ohps, really like you couldn't

1372
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: muster up anything more from shortstop. But again, the defense

1373
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: is undeniable, one of the best defenders of all time

1374
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 2: and totally you know, I understand his case for sure.

1375
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know to to close his

1376
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 3: closes out. On my side, there are enough there are

1377
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 3: enough arguments for for be skilled to get in as

1378
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 3: much as there are enough arguments to be skilled to

1379
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 3: not get in the Hall of Fame. So that's why

1380
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,440
Speaker 3: it's such a tricky case to evaluate.

1381
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here in all it's beauty. The ballots filled

1382
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: out for for Danielle and for Ethan as well. I'm

1383
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: gonna take a little screenshots of these and post them

1384
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: on the Twitter feed as well, so that people can

1385
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: actually see them instead of just you guys behind the scenes.

1386
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: Where's yours? H Scroll down, sitting back in your chair, pondering.

1387
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: Me scroll down. Yeah, So thank you to my two

1388
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: experts here, Danielle voting for Bray You Bonds, Clemens Helton, Jones,

1389
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: Roland Shilling, Sheffield, the Scale and Wagner Ethan voting for

1390
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: Bonds Clemens Helton, Jones, Kent Manny Ramirez, Roland Shilling, Sheffield

1391
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: and Wagner and me also voting for ten players nine

1392
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: who already discussed bray you bonds Clemens Helton, Joines, Rolling, Shilling, Sheffield,

1393
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: and Sammy Sosa. I don't know how we didn't mention

1394
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa, aside from Bonds, is the next highest home

1395
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: run hitter on the ballot this year. He was, I mean,

1396
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: he was really the co face of all baseball for

1397
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 1: several years there, alongside Mark McGuire in the late nineties

1398
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: early two thousands. McGuire has since fallen off the ballot,

1399
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: and Sosa is pretty close to falling off the ballot

1400
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: to actually let me just check right now to see

1401
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: how many years of eligibility he has left.

1402
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: You know what I after this year, and you know

1403
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: what I said that Sosa is my honorable mention because

1404
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 2: I want to prioritize other guys on the ballot, But

1405
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm realizing that's flawed logic because

1406
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: he needs the mostself.

1407
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: But Sosa, it's not looking good for him.

1408
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 2: An amazing He has an amazing case.

1409
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: Though, pacing at twenty one percent this year again with

1410
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:04,480
Speaker 1: only one more year coming up after this year, suspicions

1411
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: about him in performance enhancing drugs. If you follow his

1412
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: career arc, it's very unusual, the fact that he was

1413
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: a very ordinary player deep into his twenties with the

1414
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: White Sox, came over to the Cubs and things really

1415
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: took off. But in his prime, I mean, his peak

1416
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: was incredible. It wasn't just that one home run chase

1417
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. There was two other seasons where he

1418
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: was over sixty home.

1419
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: Runs weighted runstrated plus in two thousand and one.

1420
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, even if you adjust for the era, he

1421
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 1: was one of the most dominant overall players, but certainly

1422
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: on the short list of the most dominant hitters of

1423
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: that era. He's had a strange post baseball career that

1424
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: I feel like has has worked against him in the

1425
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: fact that he hasn't really been directly involved with the

1426
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: team and his breakup with the Cubs.

1427
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Ethan, that's something that that could you know,

1428
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: gets my attention. That why he's so outside of baseball,

1429
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, nobody's looking at him.

1430
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: I don't know much. I don't know much about the situation,

1431
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I know, you know that,

1432
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 2: not to say that I haven't always loved the Cubs,

1433
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: but they haven't been, you know, my number one team

1434
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: my entire life. But once I really really started getting

1435
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: into them, once I visited Wrigley, all these Cubs fans

1436
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: have always been mad about the fact that Sosa has

1437
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: never had a welcome back, He's never really been acknowledged

1438
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 2: by the team. So I don't know the full situation,

1439
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I mean, he's a

1440
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: tremendous baseball player, and I think there is something to

1441
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: be said, you know, for an intangible thing, a non number,

1442
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: which is what you talked about Eli the ninety eight

1443
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 2: home run race and being the face of being an icon.

1444
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: You know, there's something about Griffy, you know, an icon

1445
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: of the game, Sheffield, that batting sense. There's something to

1446
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: be said for what these guys do for the game,

1447
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 2: and Sosa is certainly one of them. In terms of

1448
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: what him and maguire did, and if you look at

1449
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: that two thousand and one season, I couldnot imagine how

1450
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: he didn't win the m v P until I looked

1451
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: up who won the MVP that year, and of course

1452
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 2: it was Barry Bonds, so you know, but he had

1453
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: one home runs three that was one, wasn't it?

1454
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1455
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that makes sense. But I mean, like a

1456
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: fantastic baseball player, and it's a shame that he's probably

1457
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: not gonna make it, and and that the Cubs fans

1458
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: have been calling for him to get a welcome back forever.

1459
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: Yea, to close this out, and of course we've gone

1460
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: about twice as long as I plan to. This happens

1461
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: every single time podcast with people. But to tie back

1462
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 1: to the Marlins because there are a lot of Marlins

1463
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: fans listening to this. Sheffield being the one guy on

1464
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: the ballot who spent a significant chunk of his career

1465
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: with the Marlins. If he does get in, probably not

1466
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: this year, but if he does get in before his

1467
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: eligibility expires, he may go in with a Marlins cap.

1468
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: They were He did move around to a handful of

1469
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: different teams, but you can make the case, they were

1470
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: his primary team, had a couple of his best years

1471
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: and won the World Series with them. If he does

1472
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: not get in, who do we think is going to

1473
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: be that first Marlin in the Hall of Fame. As

1474
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: things stands, they do not have any players in Coopers

1475
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: Sound that have a Marlins cap that played for the

1476
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: Marlins as their primary team. The franchise came into the

1477
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: majors the same year as the Rockies. The Rockies finally

1478
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: got their guy last year in Larry Walker. Who do

1479
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: you think, if it's not Sheffield, who do you think

1480
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: is the one that finally breaks that drought? Because if

1481
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: it's not his, we're going to be waiting a while.

1482
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:09,839
Speaker 3: Right now, I gonna say six, I don't think John Cardo.

1483
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna have a you know,

1484
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: the last part of his career is going to be

1485
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 3: worthy of a Hall of Fame. Maybe g But I

1486
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not quite sure, especially knowing if.

1487
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: It is, and if it is, does he even go

1488
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: Does he go in with a Marlins cap or does

1489
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: he co in with the Yankees cap, because he would

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Speaker 2: have to say that, you know, he want an MVP

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Speaker 2: with the Marlins. Yelis, give me a break, there's no chance.

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Speaker 2: But but but you want an MP with the Marlins.

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: But the years that springboard him, he's not a sure

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: fire Hall of Famer yet. You know, there are guys

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Speaker 2: in the league right now that are already sure fire

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famers that if they were traded, they would

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Speaker 2: still you know, de gram would go in with the

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Speaker 2: Yankees cap, and Sureser would go in probably with a

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Speaker 2: National's cap at this point, But did G were G's

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Speaker 2: years with the Marlins the years that got him into

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame? Or would it be considered that

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01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: his years with the Yankees got him into the Hall

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 2: of Fame. It's the same thing for Sheffield. I would

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01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: like to think that he would go in with the

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01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 2: Marlins cap because if you look at it, his four

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01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 2: best years or so were probably the years he spent

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01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: with the Marlins. And so there's a really good case

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01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: to be made that he should wear it. And maybe

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: he would think, you know, they don't have any I'd

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01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: love to be the first. And who was he more

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01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: famous with? You know, I remember him as a Yankee

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: because that's what he was when I was a kid,

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01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 2: And probably what he was on MVP Baseball. I think.

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01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 2: So that's how I that's how I remember. That's why,

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01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: and that's why I don't I didn't realize that his

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01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: primeters were with the Marlins, but they were. So yeah,

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01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: after that, you know, you know who's next? Is it six?

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01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 4: Though?

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01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: Maybe because you know out of the guys now if

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: you want to talk that down the line. But yeah,

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01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, we might be waiting a long long

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01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 2: time because Hoffman, well, Hoffman, I don't even think ever.

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01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 3: Pitched here, but you know we might be vision like

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Speaker 3: five minutes here.

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01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: And he was actually traded Foreld exactly exactly.

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01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I still love the opinion that

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01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I do think there's a path for Stanton to get

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: in and to go in as Marlin if if he

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01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 1: doesn't last his whole contract with the Yankees, if he

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01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: switches teams again, has more good years but not like

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01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: incredible years, if he never gets over that hump and

1532
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: makes us to the World Series, that there's a path

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01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: where he still has a Hall of Fame caliber career.

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01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: Yet his very best seasons were with the Marlins, and

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01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: of course he had that m VP.

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01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: It's finally, I would say season, and I would say

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01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: that his parting with the Marlins was the least. He's

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01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 2: always shown love to us kind of and the fans

1539
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 2: have always kind of maybe more than yell At, you know,

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01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: it went down less hard than than a Yelich or

1541
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: a JT. Maybe Ozuna was the best parting that they had.

1542
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 2: But I've always felt like there's still love, you know,

1543
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 2: not like there's no love lost between some of the

1544
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 2: other guys that they traded away, but maybe there is something,

1545
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 2: maybe somewhere in his head he would like to go

1546
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 2: in as a Marlin, and he's probably out of the

1547
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: active guys.

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01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, o ca megi Carrero, but I'm

1549
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 3: not sure.

1550
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: He's gonna go in with the Tigers.

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01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's if it's not Sheffield, if it's not Stanton,

1552
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be a long time. And as I

1553
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the pot, maybe it's long enough that

1554
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: we all have our own votes by the time that

1555
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: it's an actual deserving Marlin on the ballot. A couple

1556
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: of decades down the road from Elis Susman, Ethan Badoski,

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01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Danielle Alpharez Montes. You can find Ethan on Twitter at

1558
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: eb underscore Gators vote Give Ethan a vote. Being the

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: display name. You can find Danielle on Twitter at Danielle

1560
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: alpharez ee and follow his his stuff, his commentating on

1561
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: IBC Networks and his message in Espanol and El extra basse.

1562
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: All this coverage over there and the staff working underneath

1563
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: him doing great work over there, and it's fun to

1564
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,560
Speaker 1: fall along even as someone myself who doesn't speak Spanish.

1565
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: It's I learned it through like following.

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01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 3: Your work pretty well, Thank you man.

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01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: I cover a lot of topics that are really engaging

1568
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: to me. And yeah, very impressive with what you're doing

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01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: over there. So thank you again for the very first time,

1570
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sure not the last time coming of.

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01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: Course definitely, of course, of course not.

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01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thankful with you guys, you know, for

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01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 3: for having me here. Of course I love following your

1574
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 3: your job and getting in touch with your staffers in

1575
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 3: Martin's Park. Of course we didn't talk about Joe but

1576
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: for sorrow, but of course I'm gonna miss him. He

1577
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: was great. He was amazing from the first time I

1578
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: met him in twenty seventeen where I first started covering

1579
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 3: the team, and he's been great with me since then,

1580
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 3: teaching me every single stuff that that he could baseball

1581
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 3: non baseball related. I only thought him about person in Spanish,

1582
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 3: which is pretty fun to hear Joe saying that I

1583
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 3: must have been Spanish. But I know it was an

1584
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 3: amazing ride with with him the last three years. And

1585
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: for sure I'm gonna I'm gonna miss him, and uh yeah,

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01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 3: I think he he's leaving a huge impact on every

1587
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 3: young writer or whoever. He's covering baseball right now and

1588
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: following the marts, he for sure did that.

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01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad you mentioned him. Joe and I

1590
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 2: had our fair share of fits on Twitter together, but

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01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: he was always respectful and and you know, he knew

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01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: that I was, you know, uh, aspiring writer, and he

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01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 2: was always they're encouraging about that. And he was a

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01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 2: good dude. And you know, he's not gone. I mean,

1595
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: he'll be around.

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01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: He'll be around all the time.

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01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 2: My only I told him the only thing I'm upset

1598
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: about for him is that we never got to cover

1599
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: a game together in person. We did this past year

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01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: during the pandemic. He was at home. You know, I'm

1601
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: sad that he won't be there when I get there

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01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 2: in person for the first time in the real season,

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01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 2: so we just want to. Yeah, definitely thank Joe for

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01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 2: his time with the Marlins.

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01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: And I mean, from what I saw on the Hall

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01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: of Fame tracker, I don't know if he actively votes

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01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame. He should now have a vote.

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01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 3: No. The thing is that for some reason, like the

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01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 3: BBWAA start considering MLV as part of them, like in

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01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen or something fifteen, I don't remember. So he

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01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he has the time. I think you

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01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 3: have to be an active writer and voting, you know,

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01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 3: for awards or something like that for ten years maybe.

1614
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 3: So I think Joe is still going to be around.

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01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 3: Not good that will be, but he's still gonna be

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01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 3: around and he's gonna do stuff. And I'm pretty sure

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01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 3: about that. But maybe he will get his chance. I

1618
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 3: don't know, five years, four years, maybe, but Anthilly, he

1619
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 3: will get there.

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01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mentioned him on the previous pot episode that I recorded,

1621
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and we still got a couple more weeks with him

1622
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: officially on the Marlin speed but left a great impact

1623
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: and he's helped our coverage so much along the way,

1624
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: helped fish stripes in before I came to Fish Stripes

1625
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 1: and ever since we joined up, it's been a great

1626
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: ride together. So from Danielle Alfarez Montez, from Ethan Vidowski,

1627
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 1: Eli Sussman on the Official Show in the Fish Stripes podcast,

1628
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: gave you our Hall of Fame ballots. We'd love to

1629
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: see all your listeners give ours as well when you

1630
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: see this on Twitter, on our website. Yeah, we want

1631
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: to hear how you would use your votes this year

1632
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: because in real life, there's a risk that nobody actually

1633
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: gets voted in this year, which is gonna be very awkward.

1634
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: But regardless of the ceremony next summer is going to

1635
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: include the players that were voted in in the Class

1636
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, which includes Marlon Ceo Derek Cheeters. So

1637
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: regardless that induction ceremony is going to be.

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01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: And Mike King, Larry Walker and Larry Walker.

1639
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: No matter what happens with this latest round of voting,

1640
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: that that ceremony is going to be a must watch

1641
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: for both and Cheeter and whoever else joins them. Thank

1642
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: you for listening the Officials Show. Follow our coverage on

1643
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 1: Fish Stripes and all our associated platforms, and uh I'll

1644
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: probably have another pod coming up with you guys before

1645
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 1: the new Year. So thanks to my guys for joining

1646
01:32:40,760 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: us and as always go Fish