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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, already.

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Speaker 2: Convicted in the murder of her two children, Colt Mom

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Speaker 2: Lourie Valo Meg's headlines yet again just in time for

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Speaker 2: her second murder related trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. That's right,

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Speaker 2: we haven't heard the last of Coltman Laurie Valo. In

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Speaker 2: the last days in Arizona, judge grants the convicted killer

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Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo's request for a mental competency evaluation before

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Speaker 2: her second criminal trial. Remember, son JJ was found in

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Speaker 2: Priestine condition dead, buried in a pet cemetery on her

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Speaker 2: then I guess fifth husband's property.

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Speaker 3: The Chad day Bell, while her daughter.

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Speaker 2: Tylely his body was found rendered down to basically nothing

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Speaker 2: but fat in a bucket, also buried in the pet

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Speaker 2: cemetery on Chad Daybell's property. Valo, along with the prophet

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Speaker 2: husband Chad Daybill, convicted and sent us to life behind

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Speaker 2: bars in Idaho just last year, now set to stand

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Speaker 2: trial in Arizona for allegedly conspiring to kill her fourth husband,

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Speaker 2: Charles Valo, and her niece's ex husband.

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Speaker 3: I mean she's murderous, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, Lori Valo cult mom plea it's not guilty to

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Speaker 2: the crimes. For those of you that need it, Let's

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Speaker 2: jog our memories, refresh, our recollections as we say, what

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Speaker 2: exactly did Colt Mom Laurie Valo do back home in

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Speaker 2: Idaho it all started.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. I was looking at my notes way back.

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Speaker 2: When when I was writing about as I called her

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Speaker 2: then Doomsday cult mom, now cult mom Laurie Vallo and

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Speaker 2: brand new husband Chad day Bill, And the very first

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Speaker 2: thing I wat was have chill Thursday to produce their children.

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Speaker 3: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 2: When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they

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Speaker 2: go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult.

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Speaker 3: That Laurie Valo.

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Speaker 2: I had become a meshed in and her prophet lover

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Speaker 3: That's how it all started.

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Speaker 2: When we couldn't find those children, that the search was

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Speaker 2: on and we speculated, are they being hidden away with

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Speaker 4: And why?

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Speaker 3: And actually that's what we hoped.

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Speaker 2: We hoped that as bizarre as it was, these children

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Speaker 2: were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members,

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Speaker 2: as horrible as that would have been, and then as

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Speaker 2: the days, the weeks, the months passed, we realized they

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Speaker 2: this happened while cult Mam Laurie Valo and her new

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Speaker 2: I believe four fifth confusing husband, the Prophet as he

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Speaker 3: They actually did that.

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Speaker 2: Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around

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Speaker 2: Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,

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Speaker 2: what about Tammy Daybell? She conveniently died right before their

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Speaker 3: Before Tammy Day Bell died.

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Speaker 2: Their trials were severed under the law, which means they

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Speaker 2: through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a very long

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Speaker 2: and tortuous jury trial. So many people have been affected

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Speaker 2: but right now with me and All Star panel to

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Speaker 2: tried many many cases, including homicides. Sadly, on the other

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Speaker 2: side of the fence, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining

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Speaker 2: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining

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Speaker 2: US director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective

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Speaker 2: for nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations,

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Speaker 2: many of which ended in a guilty verdict. I found

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Speaker 2: him at the interview room on YouTube and you can

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Speaker 2: find him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want

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Speaker 2: to go to a very well respected journalist, host of

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Speaker 2: Hidden true Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias.

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Speaker 3: What can you tell me about the prophet?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad

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Speaker 5: Dave Bell. You know, I'm actually in Rexford right now, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: and we have been to his house.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hold on, right there, Lauren. I'm gonna come right

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Speaker 3: back to you.

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Speaker 2: But doctor Angie, I want you to listen, especially to

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Speaker 2: what Laura Matthias to say. Because colet Mom and all

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Speaker 2: of her Kookie beliefs was still harmless until she got

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Speaker 2: with Chad day Bill. Then people started dying, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: that singally effect he had on her something I'd like you,

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Speaker 2: doctor Angie, to analyze.

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Speaker 3: Mark Tata. I want you to think about co defendants

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Speaker 2: And Chris McDonough, we've seen a lot of murders where

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Speaker 2: usually the man masterminds it and the woman goes along

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Speaker 3: What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know in this saga, I hear Nancy as

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Speaker 6: you've been talking about it from day one. This is

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Speaker 6: a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,

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Speaker 6: she seems to be the more dominant one over this,

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Speaker 6: you know, false prophet Chad, and it's really been interesting

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Speaker 6: to see that he's been just kind of tagging along,

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Speaker 6: but he has a tremendous amount of influence.

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Speaker 3: But what okay, well back on his satellite, Yes, please

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Speaker 3: do so.

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Speaker 7: I actually think it was Chad's belief system. Chad was

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Speaker 7: a doomsday author.

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Speaker 5: Chad had a scale where he rated people light to dark.

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Speaker 5: Chad would decide if somebody was a zombie, and he

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Speaker 5: is the one who labeled Tiley, sixteen year old Tylie,

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Speaker 5: Chad was the one setting the stage with his belief system,

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Speaker 5: with his books. He was the speaker at these conferences,

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Speaker 5: these preparing the people conferences where he would talk about

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Speaker 2: You know, sharing Lori Matthias speaking, who was there in town,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's Mark Ta go ahead, Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was going to just jump in for a moment.

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Speaker 8: Mentioned something about us Bengali effect that this Chad Dave

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Speaker 8: Bell had, and I think it really is interesting because

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Speaker 8: you know, we just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled,

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Speaker 8: and I think that, you know, these types of cult

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Speaker 8: leaders are known to be very charismatic, and they make

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Speaker 8: the people who are working with them believe they're doing

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Speaker 8: what they're doing voluntarily in support, and so it really

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Speaker 8: is a control situation. And we have layered on top

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Speaker 8: of that with Chad day Bell this underpinning of his

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Speaker 3: Can you please stop Mark te right there?

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Speaker 1: Tay Tate?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?

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Speaker 8: No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, No, that was a one that was just

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Speaker 2: a one word answer, because I don't give a flying

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Speaker 2: fig whose Bengali is. But when you are a mother

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Speaker 2: and you would go a long was somebody's idea for

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Speaker 3: You can go straight to h E Double l.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: It was proven in court that called my Laurie Valo

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Speaker 2: and the prophet husband Chad day Bell, murdered too. Valo's children,

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Speaker 2: seven year old JJ and sixteen year old Tyley, as

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Speaker 2: well as Chad Daybell's first wife, Tammy day Bell. Does

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Speaker 2: it never end with these two?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: While JJ and Tyley were still reported as missing, and

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Speaker 2: directly after Tammy Dave Bell's murder, Valo and Dave Bell

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Speaker 2: married in Hawaii that very same year. Tammy died in October,

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Speaker 2: and these two murderers fly to Hawaii for a beachside

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Speaker 2: wedding the next month. That's not fishy at all, right,

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Speaker 2: JJ and Tirely were discovered in shallow grapes on Chad

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Speaker 2: from home. The sixteen year old Tilely remains were burned,

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Speaker 2: seven year old JJ's body bound in duct tape. Now

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Speaker 2: after the murder trial in Idaho, Valos spent several months

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Speaker 2: in an Idaho mental hospital and following those months, Let's

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Speaker 2: see who was the judge? I recall it as Judge

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Speaker 2: Boyce ruled she was quote returned to competency and fit

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Speaker 2: to proceed in her first trial. Ido prosecutors claimed during

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Speaker 2: Valo's and day Bell's trial the pair had extreme, I say,

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Speaker 2: extremely bizarre religious beliefs, including the theory that people have

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Speaker 2: dark souls while others have light souls. They claim dark

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Speaker 2: spirits could be so dark that they were zombies, and

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Speaker 2: Vala and da Bill had to kill them.

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Speaker 1: They had no other choice right than to kill children.

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Speaker 2: Well, it ain't over yet. She is now facing charges

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Speaker 2: murder related charges in the death of husband Charles Vallo

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Speaker 3: What exactly happened?

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this rack.

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Speaker 3: Levinthhaal joining us from Fox. Take a listen. Our cut

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Speaker 3: to still more.

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Speaker 9: Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother

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Speaker 9: and sister. Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old

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Speaker 7: In September, the kid's.

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Speaker 9: Mother, Lauri Valo, and her new husband left for Hawaii

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Speaker 9: about three months ago. Valo and her new husband are

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Speaker 9: members of a religious group preparing for the biblical end

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Speaker 9: of times, and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her

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Speaker 9: brother killed her estranged husband last July, then he died

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Speaker 9: in December, and her new husband's former wife died in October.

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Speaker 3: Authority served a search warrant on day Bell's home Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is

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Speaker 3: two sets of human remains in the backyard.

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Speaker 10: New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori

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Speaker 10: Valo case. Relatives of the Vallo family say that the

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Speaker 10: human remains found at the Idaho home of Valo's husband,

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Speaker 10: Chad Dabll, are in fact Valo's children, JJ Vallo and

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really hard if you're trying to parse

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Speaker 2: words and split hairs. Who is the mastermind between these

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Speaker 2: two but burying the children's remains Chad Dabell's backyard, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what kind of mastermind devised that, But it

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Speaker 2: wasn't that difficult for their remains to be found. We

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Speaker 2: When Kay Woodcock began speaking, she listed out a series

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Speaker 2: Fourteen hundred days since I haven't seen JJ this day

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Speaker 3: Chris, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What they endured Little jjge seven Tyler a teen girl

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Speaker 6: One thing we don't need to forget is she she

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Speaker 2: You know when you said that that last picture at Yellowstone.

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Speaker 3: Those moments that she had with her.

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Speaker 2: and doctor Angela Arnold while she's there, Angela doctor Angie

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Speaker 3: She knew what was going to happen, did JJ and Tyly?

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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, That's why, that's why it's very important

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Speaker 11: The mental health providers that evaluated her couldn't even come

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Speaker 11: And we watch a woman who cannot cannot bring any

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Speaker 11: first step in rehabilitation, Nancy, is to acknowledge what you've

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Speaker 12: So this woman is.

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Speaker 11: Completely uncapable of being rehambed.

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Speaker 2: Laura Anthias wants in about the autopsy jump in, Lauren.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw

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Speaker 7: I saw it. I saw the stab marks in her pelvis.

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Speaker 5: I saw JJ's face, and I saw the duct tape

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Speaker 5: couldn't scream, And I will never forget it. What happened

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to jump in and say that I

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Speaker 2: You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and

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Speaker 2: this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That

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Speaker 2: And I would have to steal myself not to just

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Speaker 3: And the way that she was disposed of.

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Speaker 2: But I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a

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Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that phrase, Mark Tate.

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Speaker 2: Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate

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Speaker 2: Law Group.

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Speaker 3: Out of Savannah.

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Speaker 2: Rendering rendering, that's what you what people do in slaughterhouses

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Speaker 8: You're exactly right now, we hear right right up here.

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Speaker 8: The world capital of fruitcakes is Claxton and they have

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Speaker 8: It's an absolute destruction of the entire body. And so

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Cult my Laurie Valo in the headlines again granted a

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Speaker 3: Second murder related trial.

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Speaker 13: Nancy Lourie Vello was granted a competency hearing relating to

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Speaker 3: It never ends with this woman. What exactly happened?

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Speaker 2: You know, when I first heard about the indictment to

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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, I was less than impressed by a grand

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Speaker 3: But they were right. They were right.

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Speaker 2: Because greed, greed taking part in conspiring to murder Tammy.

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Speaker 3: Dave Bel's completely innocent woman.

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Speaker 2: But when I was looking at those pictures of Tyley

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Speaker 2: grand theft charge yarge is just overwhelming. I mean, Chris mcdana,

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Speaker 6: You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your

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Speaker 6: And this is what makes her so, I think challenging

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Speaker 3: Certainly, I want more everything, Chris.

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Speaker 2: I want more men, I want more sex, I want

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Speaker 3: I want a different lifestyle without these children. And when

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Speaker 2: Face just illuminated from inside that was such a happy,

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Speaker 14: She could have been free to be Chad's mistress and

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Speaker 14: Instead, she took all that away, all because she is

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Speaker 4: And I will only have the precious memories.

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Speaker 14: Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so

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Speaker 12: Deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman

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Speaker 2: You know, to Laura Matthias, who has been covering this

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Speaker 3: How she acted like she was, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, not even there had such contempt for what was happening.

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Speaker 7: That is who she is.

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Speaker 2: How would she react during trial when the description was

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Speaker 5: She actually fought to not be in court. She didn't

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe she was embarrassed.

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Speaker 5: We had to do a sidebar that forever because she

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Speaker 5: She just didn't think that she needed to be there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 7: You know, there are things.

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Speaker 7: half years.

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Speaker 5: I had heard what the children had gone through, I

443
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: had heard some insider information, and nothing could prepare me

444
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 5: for what I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and

445
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 5: like I said, I'll bring it back like The duct

446
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: tape around his mouth was the most upsetting to me

447
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: because there's only one reason for that.

448
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 7: There's only one reason, and it's to make sure.

449
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: He can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet,

450
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: that he knew what was going on, that he suffered,

451
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 5: that they tortured him. That's the only reason for duct

452
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 5: tape on the mouth. And I will never not see

453
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 5: his little seven year old face there and to think

454
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Speaker 5: who did it to him, the people that were supposed

455
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Speaker 5: to protect him. You know, Tylie's palabus was the most

456
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: intact thing of her entire.

457
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 7: Body, and you could see what.

458
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Speaker 5: They called chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis.

459
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Speaker 5: And an anthropologist had to come into it, an anthropologist

460
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 5: that does.

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00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 7: Remains for ancient burial sites.

462
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Speaker 5: That had to be the person that came in and

463
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 5: testified about what Tylee Ryan went through, sixteen year old

464
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Speaker 5: Tylli Ryan. And then they referred to finding her necklace

465
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: that she was wearing that day and the chop wounds

466
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: and stab wounds in her pelvis. That had nothing to

467
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 5: do with dismembering her or getting rid of her. Why

468
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: there were there what they did to her, will never know,

469
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 5: But that's just a hint of what she went through.

470
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Speaker 13: Nancy, let me jump in here. Lori Valoda bel did

471
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 13: indeed address the court during her sentencing. Let's listen.

472
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Speaker 4: We'd like to start by quoting John from the New

473
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,

474
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let

475
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Speaker 4: him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in

476
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: verse fifteen, Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I

477
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment

478
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I

479
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.

480
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus

481
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: Christ knows that no one was murdered.

482
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 7: In this case.

483
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 4: Accidental deaths happened, suicides happened, Fatal side effects from medications happened.

484
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: I have a different perspective in life because in two

485
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I

486
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: died in the hospital while in labor with her. They

487
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: tried to stop my labor. They put me on the

488
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: table and they put something in my ivy and I

489
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing

490
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: near my pregnant body, watching the doctors try to revive me,

491
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: which took them a few minutes. In that time, my

492
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to

493
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as

494
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: tangible as a physical body.

495
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 7: Because I knew I.

496
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: Was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said

497
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: she needed to show me some things and we went

498
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 4: to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of

499
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.

500
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: Since then, I have had many communications from people now

501
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: living in heaven, including my children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,

502
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,

503
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,

504
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've

505
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me

506
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,

507
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: I know for a fact that my my children are

508
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my

509
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: communications with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she

510
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always

511
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have

512
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: lost many in this mortal world. However, I know that

513
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: more than most people. I know where they are now

514
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: and what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is,

515
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know

516
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: we all lived in heaven before we were born on earth,

517
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.

518
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is

519
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not

520
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: fear death, but I look forward to it.

521
00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 7: I do not.

522
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: I did not want to return to my body when

523
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: I was out of it, even though my son Colby,

524
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: who I adored more than anything, was only six years

525
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: old at the time and I was about to give

526
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.

527
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 4: I was a young mother, and you would think I

528
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to leave my children, But as I stood

529
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 4: in heaven, I did not want to go back. I

530
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: thought they would be fine without me, because I was

531
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: peaceful and I was happy, and I was home. But

532
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 4: then I was told by Jesus that I needed to

533
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: go back and complete things that I had covenanted or

534
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: promised to do before I was born. This caused me

535
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my

536
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: real home and I only wanted to be there. I

537
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then I

538
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: was shown how I would help my children and others

539
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go

540
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: back to my body. Tylie has visited me. She is

541
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: happy and very busy. Tylie is free now from all

542
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical pain

543
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the hospital

544
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,

545
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the

546
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,

547
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: and I held back her hair while she threw up.

548
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: And I am the only person on this earth who

549
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had

550
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body

551
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: did not work right. And I don't know if that

552
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 4: was from complications for me, the dying while she was

553
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: being born, or something else, but she had a very

554
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological

555
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: father since she was three years old, and she was

556
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: forced by family court to go visit him for ten

557
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: years against her will. I fought for her in court.

558
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: I protected her. I tried to protect her with my

559
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about

560
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: her every single day. Tyler had to get her ged

561
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: because she couldn't go to school every day, because she

562
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: never felt good, she felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylie,

563
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries

564
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life,

565
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: tries to know that she's here for a purpose and

566
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 4: that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth.

567
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: But I never stopped worrying about her. One of the

568
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: times that Tyler came to me as a spirit after

569
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 4: she died, she said, she commanded me and she said

570
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: to me, stop worrying, Mom. We are fine. She knows

571
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 4: how I worry and how I miss her. The first

572
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put

573
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: his arm around me and he said to me, you

574
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and I

575
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: know you loved me every minute of my life.

576
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: JJ.

577
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit and he was very

578
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: very tall when you put his arm around me. He

579
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: is busy, he is engaged, he has jobs that he

580
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: does there, and he is happy where he is. His

581
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was

582
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: a wonderful person and touch the lives of everyone, and

583
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: I adored him every minute of his life. My eternal

584
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 4: friend Tammy Day Bell has visited me on several occasions.

585
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I

586
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially

587
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: her children and grandchildren. And I have a great love

588
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: for Tammy. My beautiful children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson

589
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My

590
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: wonderful friend, Tammy Day Bell rests safely this day in

591
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the

592
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: day when we are all reunited, and I too will

593
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.

594
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: What will be the outcome off her net murder related trial.

595
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: I always say, when you don't know a horse, look

596
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: at her track record.

597
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: Nancy.

598
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 13: I don't think anyone would have seen this coming. A

599
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 13: judge has ruled that Lori Valo Dabel can represent herself

600
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 13: at her two upcoming trials in Arizona.

601
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: The judge's decision.

602
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 13: Came just one day after two doctors agreed that Valo

603
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 13: is mentally fit to stand trial. The judge asked Valo

604
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 13: why she wanted to represent herself. She said, quote, for

605
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 13: the past five years that I've been incarcerated, I have

606
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 13: taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules

607
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 13: of procedure in the state of Idaho and Arizona as

608
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 13: well as federally. I have real trial experience. I have

609
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 13: participated in three different full trials from beginning to end.

610
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 13: She also told the judge that she had studied family

611
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 13: law for ten years before her twenty twenty now The

612
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 13: judge did warn Valo of the dangers of not having

613
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Speaker 13: an attorney, but Valo said she understood and will take

614
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 13: the risks. The trial date for the Charles Valo murder

615
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 13: conspiracy case is set for March thirty first, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: We wait as just as un fALS. Goodbye, friendly