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Speaker 2: Jason temp podcast as Hoops Tonight. Ant is spectacular, Like
Speaker 2: I always felt this about and I'm not saying he's Jordan,
Speaker 2: but he has some Jordan qualities and that's okay. Mahomes,
Speaker 2: you know they're talking about Caleb Williams has Mahomes qualities. Yes,
Speaker 2: he does. All the scouts as say, hey, he plays
Speaker 2: like Patrick Mahomes. There are things about Aunt, but the
Speaker 2: most Jordan thing about him is I remember watching Jordan
Speaker 2: against Phoenix in his prime and I was still on
Speaker 2: the couch with a friend watching it, and I'm like Okay,
Speaker 2: he's not the best shooter, the best ball hand, he's
Speaker 2: not the quickest guy in the league, and he's six
Speaker 2: to six. Why does it look like he's like the
Speaker 2: only Division IE player playing at the hy Like it's
Speaker 2: like it. He makes it look so easy. Ant gets
Speaker 2: past people on the first step. These are NBA athletes.
Speaker 2: He just gets past everybody. So when you watch it
Speaker 2: on TV, I don't think you would appreciate it. The
Speaker 2: ability to always everybody knows where he's going. He loves
Speaker 2: the first step. He sizes you up. He makes the
Speaker 2: game look easy. Mahomes does this, Jordan did this. You're like,
Speaker 2: why how I'm watching Aunt? And even against good offenders.
Speaker 2: I mean Jamal Murray switched off to him one time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not even competitive. Murray's a world
Speaker 2: class athlete. I mean, you've been in gyms with guys.
Speaker 2: But I look at this and I'm like, when guys
Speaker 2: start making thirty eight points look easy, there's about three
Speaker 2: in the league one time that can do that. Maybe one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's athletic and then there's athletic among the athletes.
Speaker 4: It's like an entirely different stratosphere, right, And like that's
Speaker 4: kind of to me the difference between like a Jason
Speaker 4: Tatum and an Anthony Edwards. Like Jason Tatum is a
Speaker 4: very good NBA athlete, like a but like like like
Speaker 4: he's in the he's close to that, like truly transcendent.
Speaker 4: But there's clearly a difference between ant sizing up an
Speaker 4: elite defender and beating him off the dribble and Tatum
Speaker 4: doing the same thing. It's like that next level of elite,
Speaker 4: top tier athleticism. Honestly, I regardless of what happens the
Speaker 4: rest of this series, and I do think Denver is
Speaker 4: gonna be gonna pull this out now. I think they've
Speaker 4: effectively just rendered Minnesota's offense useless and and they're gonna
Speaker 4: go home, and I think they're gonna win Game five.
Speaker 4: And the biggest thing, too, is like Minnesota hasn't been
Speaker 4: particularly competitive in either of these games, which is which
Speaker 4: is a major concern, right, But like, no matter what,
Speaker 4: it's very clear that Anthony Edwards is here to stay.
Speaker 4: I think he's the next guy in that like line
Speaker 4: of truly transcendent great American basketball players, Like it went
Speaker 4: from MJ to Kobe, and it went from Kobe to Lebron,
Speaker 4: and like, there have been guys along the way that
Speaker 4: have had their little moments, but nobody that really had
Speaker 4: the potential to take over the league for a long time.
Speaker 4: And can't you just see it, Colin, can't you just
Speaker 4: kind of imagine what the next ten years are like
Speaker 4: for Ams? You could just kind of imagine him continuing
Speaker 4: to ascend and getting better and better. I started to
Speaker 4: think tonight, like like, if it could have pulled this
Speaker 4: game out, it could have been one of those transcendent
Speaker 4: moments you think about, like you know Lebron in like
Speaker 4: two thousand and seven or two thousand and eight kind
Speaker 4: of thing. And honestly, like Denver's just too good. That's
Speaker 4: really all it is. Like Lebron ran into the O
Speaker 4: eight Spurs and got swept. So like, at a certain point,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how good you are at that phase
Speaker 4: of your career. It is a team sport. And like, literally,
Speaker 4: while all of his veteran teammates were falling apart, he
Speaker 4: was continuing to ascend. It was really impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and this is appropriate. Jordan couldn't get
Speaker 2: through a fully formed Pistons or Celtic dynasty, so I mean,
Speaker 2: Denver's fully formed, they have the experience, they're better offensively,
Speaker 2: they have Minnesota's length. So again, this is the way
Speaker 2: it works. It's the baby steps. He comes in, he
Speaker 2: pushes and makes a Denver you know, step back. They
Speaker 2: got hit in the gin. Oh we got you know,
Speaker 2: they dazed the champion and they lost. That's what happened
Speaker 2: to Jordan. That's what happens to Lebron. So to me,
Speaker 2: this is totally appropriate. We are amazed by the individual player,
Speaker 2: but they still have tweaking to do. I mean, we
Speaker 2: all know what Minnesota's gonna do in the off Season's
Speaker 2: probably gonna move Carl Anthony Towns and they're gonna get
Speaker 2: They're gonna get more offensive players. I mean, eventually Jordan
Speaker 2: needed Pippin and Kerr, you know. I mean, like they
Speaker 2: don't have to be a nightly great player, but you
Speaker 2: do have to find players that take something off Ant's
Speaker 2: plate a little bit.
Speaker 4: There has to be Minnesota should go after KD.
Speaker 2: It's not terrible because again the great gift of KD.
Speaker 2: You can give him the ball eight seconds in the
Speaker 2: shot clock four, He'll get a great look. Doesn't need
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little Klay Thompson, but obviously much better.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need the ball in his hands. Why that's
Speaker 2: why the Jalen Brunson Katie works. The emotional part of
Speaker 2: Katie to the Knicks TIBs that style. You know, is
Speaker 2: he willing for it. Let's pivot to that, because listen,
Speaker 2: the Knicks are beat up. Nothing you can do. Just
Speaker 2: set the guys down, get ready for Tuesday. Be embarrassed.
Speaker 2: You know you'll be on fire Tuesday. So Og is hurt.
Speaker 2: Og got banged up this year as well. Brunson's not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. We already know Mitchell Robbins and Julius
Speaker 2: Randall are out. So this is a limited team offensively
Speaker 2: without injuries. So we all kind of kept waiting for
Speaker 2: this team that was playing with Game seven intensity to
Speaker 2: just just collapse. Just the wheels came off and they
Speaker 2: sort of did. I still think they have a chance
Speaker 2: to win this series. But I was saying this earlier
Speaker 2: this week, and I said it last time I was
Speaker 2: on with you. There's a lot of different scenarios with
Speaker 2: the Knicks, and it's very easy to talk yourself into
Speaker 2: we're just a piece away, but the East is going
Speaker 2: to get better. It's just gonna get better. Butler's gonna
Speaker 2: be healthy, Dane's gonna be healthy, Yannis will probably back,
Speaker 2: and Beat'll get help. There's so many scenarios for the
Speaker 2: next and I do wonder if instead of looking at
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and Nepaul George, they just they find another
Speaker 2: og on the market, you know, they go get another
Speaker 2: really good player, because I do think, you know, playing hard,
Speaker 2: maybe it has limitations if you fade. I don't think
Speaker 2: they can beat a Denver a Minnesota's length. But the
Speaker 2: Knicks have done something in the last three years that
Speaker 2: they haven't done for twenty, which is they're patient. They're
Speaker 2: like you look at them and you're like, this is
Speaker 2: a well run team. They don't take I mean they
Speaker 2: used to take, you know, big reaches on Amari Stadameyer
Speaker 2: when he had bad knees. It's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like every GM in the league's like that. Amari's you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's got like two years left, he's cooked.
Speaker 4: Or trading for Carmelo when they could have sign him
Speaker 4: as a free agent one year later, not got the roster.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what they do. I think Paul
Speaker 2: George fits everywhere. But again, it's such a unique culture,
Speaker 2: like it's just not for everybody. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: wait to watch. I don't. They're not a championship team.
Speaker 2: I think you know, listen, they're not.
Speaker 1: We know it.
Speaker 2: They're just you can't. There's too many great players, too
Speaker 2: many good teams in this league. Nicks are not a
Speaker 2: championship team. I don't know what the solution is. I
Speaker 2: want to watch it. It's not in the draft. We
Speaker 2: know that it's not a good draft. I mean Kd's
Speaker 2: it's it's I just don't know. KD is. Boy. You
Speaker 2: look at him post Golden State, It's it's he's different.
Speaker 2: He's running through coaches, you know, and Tibbs has power
Speaker 2: in that room. Nobody's pushing back on TIBs. I saw
Speaker 2: this on the internet, and I apologize for not giving credit,
Speaker 2: but somebody said, everybody starts somewhere. Is JJ Reddick supposed
Speaker 2: to go to the G League? You know a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys just don't want to coach college the NIL.
Speaker 2: They just don't want to deal with limitations NCAA. Is
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick? Is he a bad idea for the Lakers?
Speaker 2: I mean I think Budenholzer would have taken the Lakers
Speaker 2: job and Lebron would have bought in. They couldn't get
Speaker 2: him out of town fast enough and he had a
Speaker 2: title in Milwaukee. Jannis wasn't a fan. Is JJ Reddick
Speaker 2: a terrible choice? Or are we over overstepping that that
Speaker 2: everybody starts somewhere. Where's he going to start? He's rich,
Speaker 2: he's not going to the G League's not taking that job.
Speaker 2: Jason Kidd first experiment not good. Now he's established himself.
Speaker 2: I mean, what is your take of JJ Reddick, who
Speaker 2: people are getting gobbled up? Could be head of the
Speaker 2: class now for the Lakers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the experience thing doesn't matter as much to
Speaker 4: me for a couple of reasons. One, it's the classic
Speaker 4: like corporate ideology, where like you're constantly towing the line
Speaker 4: between rewarding experience versus rewarding talent, and like there's always
Speaker 4: a fine line between like, oh, well, this guy's been
Speaker 4: doing it for eight years. But it's like, yeah, but
Speaker 4: he's the mediocre Because that's the other question here. This guy,
Speaker 4: if JJ happens to have the talent for it, if
Speaker 4: he happens to have the basketball like you or whatever
Speaker 4: for it, then by all means make the move. And
Speaker 4: so much of that depends on how he's acting behind
Speaker 4: the scenes in the interviews if they go through an
Speaker 4: interview process. But the second piece of it is you
Speaker 4: can counteract a lot of the lack of inexperience or
Speaker 4: a lack of experience with just putting experienced head coaches
Speaker 4: on his staff. So you can address that by just
Speaker 4: giving him a really good assistant coaching staff. As far
Speaker 4: as I'm concerned with JJ Reddick, like when it comes
Speaker 4: to the Lakers, what I'm really looking for is somebody
Speaker 4: that holds players accountable because I look at them as
Speaker 4: a defensive minded team anchored by two big athletic forwards
Speaker 4: and Lebron James and Anthony Davis. Just look at the
Speaker 4: around the league. When the Lakers won, they won when
Speaker 4: they defended. You know, that was always their their bread
Speaker 4: and butter. They made it to the Western Conference finals
Speaker 4: last year as a defensive minded team, they lost in
Speaker 4: the first round this year as an offensive minded team.
Speaker 4: Going back to twenty twenty, they won when they were
Speaker 4: a defensive minded team. So I'm really interested in somebody
Speaker 4: that's going to hold them accountable, And I don't really
Speaker 4: know if if JJ's willing to do that with Lebron,
Speaker 4: that's gonna be something that is going to have to
Speaker 4: be flushed out in the interview process. But I'm not
Speaker 4: concerned about the experience simply because if JJ's got the talent,
Speaker 4: he's got the talent, and they're going to anchor him
Speaker 4: with experienced NBA coaches that will help him navigate the
Speaker 4: eighty two game regular season. And honestly, like it's it's
Speaker 4: really just going to be about like a collaborative effort
Speaker 4: between Lebron, James and the and JJ Redick to kind
Speaker 4: of identify what the strengths and weaknesses of the roster
Speaker 4: are and go from there. It's really hard, honestly, Colin,
Speaker 4: I wonder what it's like for you cover in the
Speaker 4: NFL too, Like it's really difficult with coaches, especially new coaches.
Speaker 4: We're not there for the interviews. Like with a player,
Speaker 4: I can go look at tape and I can get
Speaker 4: a really good feel for what he's good and bad at.
Speaker 4: But like with JJ, it's like, well, what's his philosophy
Speaker 4: going to be? What are what are his core his
Speaker 4: core principles that he's going to build the team on
Speaker 4: Like what is is he going to continue the five
Speaker 4: out offense they were running out of Darvin ham with
Speaker 4: Darvin hamm Are they going to run something different? Are
Speaker 4: they gonna do something different offensively? It's so hard to
Speaker 4: say because we're not in the room for those interviews.
Speaker 4: But if JJ interviews well and they give him good
Speaker 4: assistant coaches and he's got the talent for it, I
Speaker 4: absolutely think it could work well.
Speaker 2: I mean, Duke Kid, you know, you listen to the podcast,
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a thoughtful guy to me. You know,
Speaker 2: it's experience is funny. You know, it's creating the volume
Speaker 2: or working for years at ESPN or Fox Sports. You know,
Speaker 2: people managers have come to me and said, hey, listen
Speaker 2: to a tape or what do you make of this guy?
Speaker 2: And my take is, if you've never done network, who cares,
Speaker 2: Like we listened to your tape and we're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's ready to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to be somewhere. We thought you would
Speaker 2: be here, So it's you know, it's Jerry Seinfeld was
Speaker 2: speaking at Duke. He had a commencement speech and he
Speaker 2: had a great line. He said, having stuff is nice,
Speaker 2: Becoming stuff or having stuff is nice. Becoming something is
Speaker 2: really more important, and becoming something is missus. It swings,
Speaker 2: It's an ascension. In every job I've ever had, I
Speaker 2: was a little over my skis for the first like
Speaker 2: six to eight weeks, like I'm bailing water here, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to catch I've had a friend once that got
Speaker 2: a job at Google and she was like I literally
Speaker 2: six weeks in, I'm like, oh, I'm dumb and this
Speaker 2: is a full of smart people. I'm too dumb to
Speaker 2: work at Google. And she goes then the light goes on,
Speaker 2: you start clicking, and then like six months into it,
Speaker 2: you're like okay, but it's like it's okay, Darvin Ham
Speaker 2: learned on the job. If you're smart in any industry,
Speaker 2: you'll figure it out. Like a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: with coaching is like I heard Frank Vogel, you know,
Speaker 2: some complex, defensive stuff. Beale didn't really buy in. Booker
Speaker 2: was close to an assistant coach, much closer than he
Speaker 2: was Vogel. Kevin was fine, but Kevin's Kevin at this point,
Speaker 2: and it was like Vogel just didn't he didn't resonate
Speaker 2: with all the guys in the room, JJ Redick. If
Speaker 2: Lebron buys him, we'll resonate with everybody in the room.
Speaker 2: So my take is you start somewhere. If you get Lebron,
Speaker 2: there is some credibility, like with Jason Kidd, Like there
Speaker 2: is credibility player to player that JJ has. And I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of unspoken, but kind of the middle aged,
Speaker 2: you know, guy that didn't play. I always think you
Speaker 2: go into a locker room and about half the room
Speaker 2: is like if the star doesn't buy into it, half
Speaker 2: the room's not buying into it. Maybe that's cynical, but
Speaker 2: I think everybody would buy into JJ Redick.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like it's like Mike Norriy from the Timberwolves
Speaker 4: are I can't remember his name, that assistant from the
Speaker 4: Celtics who just got signed by the Charlotte Hornets. It's like,
Speaker 4: if you bring in an assistant, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 4: much he's been grinding in the film room, doesn't matter
Speaker 4: how much he impressed the previous organization. He's got to
Speaker 4: be able to look at Lebron and be like, hey man,
Speaker 4: I need you to do this. And Lebron's got to
Speaker 4: be like, okay, you know, and not only that, but
Speaker 4: I'll hold the rest of the team accountable to help
Speaker 4: him along the way. And so there, I do agree
Speaker 4: that's the gravitas piece. And by the way, that's why
Speaker 4: they hire Darvin Ham. They thought Darvin Ham would be
Speaker 4: able to bring some of that, yes, like real gravitas
Speaker 4: to the situation. The thing with JJ is you got
Speaker 4: to acknowledge the risk because you're right, Like, they let
Speaker 4: Darvin Ham learn on the fly and he didn't really
Speaker 4: start making huge mistakes until this season with the roster
Speaker 4: when he was like leaning into camerad as we've gone
Speaker 4: over it, but like he made too many mistakes, and
Speaker 4: then the Lakers had a situation where they looked at
Speaker 4: the urgency of their situation and said, we have to
Speaker 4: make a move. And so I just I just hope
Speaker 4: that the Lakers' front office and ownership understands that if
Speaker 4: you do take JJ, there is a risk. And even
Speaker 4: though I believe he could do this well, especially with
Speaker 4: good experienced staff behind him, anytime you go for a
Speaker 4: first time head coach, there's a like, what if he's
Speaker 4: just really bad at a in game adjustments? What if
Speaker 4: he's just really bad, Like we don't know what it's
Speaker 4: going to be, Like we're gonna find out over time.
Speaker 4: And so that's where like the let's say the alternative,
Speaker 4: let's say they were to get like a Kenny Atkinson
Speaker 4: for instance, Like Kenny Atkinson is more of a known commodity.
Speaker 4: He might be a higher floor, but like maybe you
Speaker 4: don't get some of the upside you get if you
Speaker 4: get a freaked out to your point, Steve Kerr, like
Speaker 4: Steve Kerr is regarded as one of the best coaches
Speaker 4: in the league. I think he's the second best coach
Speaker 4: in the league behind Eric Spoulstra. Like that was a
Speaker 4: risk signing Steve Curree. By the way, Steve Kerr was radical.
Speaker 4: He came into a Mark Jackson led team that was
Speaker 4: spam and pick and roll, and he said, Hey, Steph Curry,
Speaker 4: we're taking the ball out of your hands. We're gonna
Speaker 4: lead the league in passes. We're gonna run this motion
Speaker 4: ball in player movement offense. And I'm sure there were
Speaker 4: moments in training camp where it looked ugly, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure there were moments where the front office was looking
Speaker 4: down like, ugh, this is weird, you know, like we
Speaker 4: just went, you know, two great playoff runs in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, just having Steph run spread, pick and roll,
Speaker 4: So like, this is funky, but then it works and
Speaker 4: now Steve Kerr is regarded as one of the best
Speaker 4: coaches in the league. So like, there's upside to going
Speaker 4: with the JJ, but there's also a risk. And so
Speaker 4: for me, I'm okay with that risk because I don't
Speaker 4: really think there's any candidate out there that's a home
Speaker 4: run anyway, right, So I think I think there's risk
Speaker 4: all around. To begin with.
Speaker 2: Former NFL scout John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast, it's
Speaker 2: NFL schedule release, which is the closest thing to adult
Speaker 2: entertainment for me once the season ends. This is cotton
Speaker 2: candy when I was nine. I just I'll eat it
Speaker 2: until my teeth rot. So and I know I like
Speaker 2: it way more than the average person.
Speaker 1: But colle, can we push back against all the haters
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of people, especially considered the
Speaker 1: sports media. They're like, this isn't that the NFL is
Speaker 1: an event business. When Dana White announces a fight card,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. That's what the NFL is. Like
Speaker 1: the games do you know what the other do you
Speaker 1: know what the NBA and Major League Baseball would give
Speaker 1: to have their games in the regular season matter? This matters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we knew the opponents, but we didn't know the days,
Speaker 1: the time, the bye weeks, the setup. This is an
Speaker 1: event sport. I mean's why it's taken off the way
Speaker 1: it has. Right.
Speaker 2: Listen, you can tell they want Jim Harbaugh to start
Speaker 2: two and oh, the Chargers get the Raiders at home,
Speaker 2: one of the weaker teams, and then the Panthers on
Speaker 2: the road. They want a two and oh, Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: they want. Listen, there are certain things the NFL they're
Speaker 2: gonna take care of, like, let's take companies for instance.
Speaker 2: This is the strongest Amazon Thursday night schedule. Remember the
Speaker 2: first few years of Amazon it was awful.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was like Titans Texans when the
Speaker 1: Texans were bad. It was every week.
Speaker 2: So the first now Thursday, they start with Josh Allen
Speaker 2: and Tua. The next week it's Aaron Rodgers. The next
Speaker 2: week it's Dak Prescott in Dallas. Week six, you get
Speaker 2: the Niners Seattle. Week eight, it's Harbaugh, Jim. Week ten,
Speaker 2: Burrow against Lamar Jackson. We know the NFL. Netflix got
Speaker 2: Christmas games streaming service. They're taking care Amazon clearly said, listen,
Speaker 2: what's your future? What are we gonna pay? What can
Speaker 2: a network pay? I thought they took care of Amazon
Speaker 2: as much as you can. I mean, you don't want to.
Speaker 2: You gotta be careful on Thursday because you want some
Speaker 2: close geographical matchups like New England Jets is a really
Speaker 2: easy trip for both teams. That's an easy trip. Buffalo
Speaker 2: Miami's not, but it's the first one.
Speaker 1: But there's a Niners Rams Thursday night game. They like
Speaker 1: to doing that additional games.
Speaker 2: One of the things that jumped out to me is
Speaker 2: that you know, Netflix, they did a solid they give
Speaker 2: them Christmas games. Amazon Thursday. I mean, I'll be honest
Speaker 2: with you. Monday Night football, John there is a what
Speaker 2: I would call a star or high profile quarterback in
Speaker 2: seventeen weeks now, I'm counting Caleb Williams and Tua is
Speaker 2: high profile. It's the best Monday Night for ball schedule
Speaker 2: live seat. So again, Disney money, Amazon money, Monday and
Speaker 2: Thursday night are gonna weaken Sunday to some degree. There
Speaker 2: are star quarterbacks being taken out of Sunday games.
Speaker 1: Well, in a weird way that Sunday morning for us
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, the ten am kickoff for the
Speaker 1: NFL is a little bit of a throwaway at this point.
Speaker 1: It is right the afternoon, the Fox main game and
Speaker 1: the CBS game matter. They're all in on Sunday night
Speaker 1: football Monday night. Once they hired Troy and Joe became
Speaker 1: a really really big deal. Peyton's involved, And let's face it,
Speaker 1: I mean, Amazon's top two or three company in the world,
Speaker 1: so they're not going away. Streaming's not going away. To me,
Speaker 1: what jumped out though, is Netflix reportedly paid seventy five
Speaker 1: million dollars a game, and they got two of them.
Speaker 1: They are I looked at their market cap, top forty
Speaker 1: company in the world. Well are they gonna grow or
Speaker 1: are they gonna shrink over the next ten twenty years.
Speaker 1: And how you're in the business broadcast television, the cable bundle,
Speaker 1: we know how that's going. We know the change of everything.
Speaker 1: We see it in our podcast business compared to traditional radio.
Speaker 1: To me, when I saw what they did at Netflix,
Speaker 1: they didn't just give them two random games on Christmas.
Speaker 1: They gave them chiefs at the Steelers and the Ravens
Speaker 1: at the Texans yep, so equivalent four playoff teams. You
Speaker 1: could argue the biggest star in the sport in Mahomes.
Speaker 1: The Ravens were right there to go to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. The Texans are a trajectory like this,
Speaker 1: and the Steelers are a top five brand. To me,
Speaker 1: Netflix a little bit of a precursor. Are we looking
Speaker 1: at the next television deal? Are there? Is there just
Speaker 1: a package on Netflix on Sunday? Maybe? Because let's face it,
Speaker 1: when I get in bed and she grabs the remote
Speaker 1: the first we don't turn on. We have YouTube TV?
Speaker 1: Which are she goes to Netflix? And I looked right
Speaker 1: before we hopped on they have eighty million subscribers in America.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're saying we get the NFL. Is that number
Speaker 1: one hundred within a couple of years?
Speaker 2: All throw give me a team individual, Give me a
Speaker 2: couple teams individually. That jumped out to you.
Speaker 1: Well, I heard your theory and you talking about the
Speaker 1: Rogers situation. I think it's just simple. And I know
Speaker 1: coaches and executives like GMS, you know the league, all
Speaker 1: they care about is money. I mean that's their job, right,
Speaker 1: so the ratings, I think Rogers is still a massive,
Speaker 1: massive needle mover. Yeah, and like the week one, I
Speaker 1: thought when I was looking at the potentials, because I
Speaker 1: thought the Niners were going to get Sunday Night or
Speaker 1: Monday Night football. You kind of feel once you knew
Speaker 1: Thursday Night a lot of stars that we already knew
Speaker 1: the Friday night game. We didn't know the Sunday Night game.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I think the Niners are getting
Speaker 1: one of those. You looked at their schedule, It's like
Speaker 1: I could see them throwing the Cowboys or the Jets.
Speaker 1: And then once it was reported that the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: the Brady thing, which is genius. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: people are going to watch that game? Thirty five million
Speaker 1: people on Sunday afternoon. The Niners, I mean the Niners
Speaker 1: when they're winning, or a top two or three brand
Speaker 1: in the league rating wise, Yes, And Aaron Rodgers buying,
Speaker 1: especially coming off this injury, you know, controversial to some,
Speaker 1: but he's just a polarizing player. And the Jets are
Speaker 1: a New York major brand. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna be very good. I'm sure we'll dive
Speaker 1: into but you put that thing on, just like they
Speaker 1: did last year. I remember, like all of us around
Speaker 1: the country, sitting there, Jets Bills. It's gonna feel really
Speaker 1: big and do a huge number. But tough game for him.
Speaker 1: It does get a little easy off the bat. Then
Speaker 1: he goes to the Titans. Then he plays the Pats,
Speaker 1: who I think are gonna be terrible. Denver rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: mcglinch's their right tackle. The Jets have a good pass
Speaker 1: rush Minnesota. We'll see. They're in a little transitional period.
Speaker 1: So the Monday night game, if they can just get
Speaker 1: through that healthy, I do think they could rattle off
Speaker 1: a couple wins early.
Speaker 2: See now I saw it the opposite. My take was
Speaker 2: that you can only do so much because the Jets.
Speaker 2: The schedule is what the schedule is.
Speaker 1: Right, if you know the teams, Yeah, right, right, and a.
Speaker 2: Lot of it's baked in. You play the Bills twice,
Speaker 2: Miami twice, New England twice, your conference, your division plays
Speaker 2: certain divisions. But I thought they made Aaron's season as
Speaker 2: tough as you could make it. So they start it's weak, right, So,
Speaker 2: first of all, the last thing you want to do
Speaker 2: in a rebuild a line is face the Niners defense
Speaker 2: or front and week one that's a tough draw. Three
Speaker 2: games in eleven days to start again with a rebuilt
Speaker 2: a line. They have five short weeks and an international
Speaker 2: game in weeks one through eleven. So the schedule the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks they face isn't daunting. They could have done them
Speaker 2: way more. Rest favors older quarterbacks and older people tend
Speaker 2: to be creatures of habit as I've aged. You know,
Speaker 2: I really like Peyton Manning hated Sunday night football games.
Speaker 1: Hated you're waiting around all day.
Speaker 2: So Aaron Rodgers, they give him three games and eleven
Speaker 2: days to start, five short weeks, an international game, and
Speaker 2: Niners with an line build. The quality of the opponent
Speaker 2: isn't great.
Speaker 1: It is Will Levis and Jacoby Mersett.
Speaker 2: No question, I will acknowledge that the games are the games.
Speaker 2: But old quarterback rebuild a line and a lot of
Speaker 2: short weeks. That's it's like for older quarterbacks, like Brady
Speaker 2: would tell you, like I want to get going. Those
Speaker 2: old quarterbacks love one o'clock games.
Speaker 1: They love them, and there is not a harder travel
Speaker 1: that than playing Monday night football. If you're a coastal team,
Speaker 1: but on the East coast to the West coast and
Speaker 1: flying home because what time are they you know, the
Speaker 1: game ends at a fifteen By the time they get
Speaker 1: out of there, they're getting home at five six in
Speaker 1: the morning. So it is and then it's difficult on
Speaker 1: your coach. It's it's a very, very difficult stretch.
Speaker 2: I also looked at the NFL with Chicago. Again, Fox
Speaker 2: would love Chicago to pop.
Speaker 1: I mean, she change target.
Speaker 2: What do they get with a rookie quarterback Tennessee at
Speaker 2: home to start new coach, new staff, and then week
Speaker 2: five home Carolina a very winnable game against Washington early
Speaker 2: they get a buy into it, so two weeks to
Speaker 2: prepare for a very winnable game. Those feel like wins
Speaker 2: to me for Chicago. I do think again, you could
Speaker 2: have stacked green Bay on the road early. You could
Speaker 2: have stacked this schedule. You know, Detroit open at Detroit
Speaker 2: because though you know Chicago's a big brand, they gave
Speaker 2: them a couple of layups early.
Speaker 1: I do think when it comes to a rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: let's use Jaden Daniels and bow knicks for example, they're
Speaker 1: playing the long game. Sean Payton's not going anywhere. This
Speaker 1: new operation in Washington's so if there's up and downs
Speaker 1: and you gotta lose his confidence, takes them a couple
Speaker 1: weeks to gain it back. Whatever, We're okay winning six
Speaker 1: games this first year. There is tangible pressure on the
Speaker 1: coach in Chicago, right, he can't afford to go seven
Speaker 1: to ten or he'll be fired. Yes, I agree with
Speaker 1: you on the Titan situation. But then their next three
Speaker 1: games for a young quarterback who is extremely talented, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's coming off an eleven wins seasons. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just it was a lot at
Speaker 1: the Texans at the Colts. I think both those teams
Speaker 1: are going to be really good. Yeah, they both loaded up.
Speaker 1: You know, Indy disdrafted a pass rusher in the top fifteen,
Speaker 1: the Texans added one during free agency. And then you
Speaker 1: play the Rams like, that's just a tough early stretch.
Speaker 1: I don't care how talented you are. Young people, confidence
Speaker 1: can eb and flow, and the pressure of Chicago, the hype.
Speaker 1: I do think that's just a tough early stretch. Now,
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden they're three and two, I
Speaker 1: mean we might be looking at a ten or eleven
Speaker 1: win team.
Speaker 2: Did you notice with the Cowboys schedule and we know
Speaker 2: in the last month mostly the NFL wants division games.
Speaker 2: You know, you want your Miami Buffaloes, although Miami bipe.
Speaker 1: So you're good. You're good teams, so you think are
Speaker 1: going to be compete for now.
Speaker 2: Miami Buffalo both played pretty early. But Dallas has three,
Speaker 2: you know, out of division games that are pretty tough,
Speaker 2: the Niners, the Ravens, and the Lions. They're done with
Speaker 2: all of them by week eight. So so with Dallas
Speaker 2: again McCarthy, dak this is an experienced team. They they
Speaker 2: don't backload it because you know the Giants in Washington
Speaker 2: won't be great. They get their three toughest to me,
Speaker 2: the three games that you look at and go the
Speaker 2: three best rosters they play will probably be San Francisco, Baltimore,
Speaker 2: and Detroit and those are all done by week eight.
Speaker 2: So if even if you go one and two on those,
Speaker 2: they could have stacked a couple of those, you know,
Speaker 2: week fourteen, week thirteen, so you go into these tough, brutal,
Speaker 2: cold weather road games and divisions. No, they got rid
Speaker 2: of their tough games early. Again, what do I like
Speaker 2: Harbaugh getting a two and zero start. Listen Dallas Is.
Speaker 2: I thought it went in their favor. That was my take.
Speaker 1: I do think that Cleveland, I'm not expecting the same
Speaker 1: what we saw last year. I mean, obviously they're all
Speaker 1: in a Deshaun Watson, his cap hit has really kicked
Speaker 1: in the rosters. I don't think gonna be as good
Speaker 1: just moving forward, obviously, and I'm not sure he's still
Speaker 1: a good player. But even if they take a huge
Speaker 1: step back, we all know Week one is tough, right,
Speaker 1: You could play the worst team in the league in
Speaker 1: Week one. Everyone has the same hopes and dreams. They're
Speaker 1: everyone's OH to oh, especially at home, and Cleveland is
Speaker 1: a tough place to play. And the hype on that
Speaker 1: game with Brady calling it, that's a sneaky big game
Speaker 1: because then all of a sudden, like I think most
Speaker 1: people think the Saints were really shitty last year. They
Speaker 1: did go nine to eight and their offense was mainly putrid. Well,
Speaker 1: they had Kubiak's kid who comes from Shanahan. I think
Speaker 1: the Saints are gonna be better, and then you got Baltimore.
Speaker 1: It's just a tough little early stretch for a team.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say they're walking on eggshells, but
Speaker 1: the McCarthy story, the Dack, if they don't extend them,
Speaker 1: it could get weird, and it could get weird fast.
Speaker 1: I just got that Cleveland game circle. I think that
Speaker 1: is going to be very I can see Cleveland winning
Speaker 1: that thing and Cleveland being a six to seven win team.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make an argument and that the toughest schedule
Speaker 2: in the league I saw was the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1: Oh it's really hard.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you start, you have better rosters than these teams,
Speaker 2: but they load them up at Atlanta, at Denver, at
Speaker 2: Indy and Harbaugh. That's a rough start. I mean again,
Speaker 2: you have better rosters than Atlanta, Denver, the Chargers, Nindy,
Speaker 2: three of the four on the road, and you come
Speaker 2: out of that road streak with Dallas two weeks later.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers like, that's rough. And did you see the
Speaker 2: last six quarterbacks Pittsburgh Faces Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Mahomes and Burrow Like, good, look, Mike Tomlin
Speaker 2: is going to be on a network broadcasting and by
Speaker 2: the way, I predict he'll be great. I've talked to
Speaker 2: two network execs who would hire Mike Tomlin tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Are you short in the Steelers this year?
Speaker 2: I am short in them. I mean, did you have
Speaker 2: to put at the end of the year the last
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks, Lamar, Mahomes and Burrow in the last month.
Speaker 1: Did you see the story though about Burrow's hand surgery
Speaker 1: the percentage of it keeping You know, most surgeries are
Speaker 1: ninety to ninety five percent that risk. Hand surgery is
Speaker 1: like seventy to seventy five percent success rate, and then
Speaker 1: it no matter how well it goes, there's basically guaranteed inflammation.
Speaker 1: It's a little trickier than just your ACL or your
Speaker 1: broken leg. I do think that's something to keep a
Speaker 1: heavy eye on. Now. If he plays seventeen games, I
Speaker 1: think we'd all acknowledge they're going to be one of
Speaker 1: the better teams in the NFL. But if that thing
Speaker 1: crops up where it is, I mean, it would be
Speaker 1: a major problem. I thought the moment that they signed Russ,
Speaker 1: before we even knew their schedule or who they were
Speaker 1: playing one. They're not financially invested in them at all, right,
Speaker 1: They're paying them about a million dollars or even Denver
Speaker 1: last year. Let's say hypothetically Sean Payton was out on
Speaker 1: him by October. First, financially, he had to see if
Speaker 1: he could make it work. And then the least there
Speaker 1: is not going to be long. They have no draft
Speaker 1: cap invested, they have nothing invested, and they do have
Speaker 1: another guy in a one year contract who might not
Speaker 1: be good either, but at least this physically brings a
Speaker 1: lot more to the table. And we saw Arthur Smith,
Speaker 1: you know, win with Ryan Tannehill and Mark's Mariota. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I just don't think this guy's getting a
Speaker 1: long leash. He's not going to be Dnking and Duncan
Speaker 1: and they're one to three and he gets to keep
Speaker 1: his job. No, I mean, I just I look to
Speaker 1: you move teams and they're not paying anything. He better
Speaker 1: play well and they better have success or he will
Speaker 1: go to the pine.
Speaker 2: I looked at Pittsburgh today and I thought, I know,
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins never had a losing season. That last six
Speaker 2: game stretch, You'll have the second best quarterback in all
Speaker 2: of those games, all of them. You know, one of
Speaker 2: the things I always look at is how many great
Speaker 2: quarterbacks do you face, the Jets don't face a lot
Speaker 2: of great quarterbacks. But again, they have seven standalone games,
Speaker 2: six night games, five short weeks, an international game. So
Speaker 2: the Jets schedule's pretty easy. The NFL didn't do him
Speaker 2: any favors with Knight, standalones, international. I look at Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and there's just no way if the Jets have the
Speaker 2: easiest schedule in terms of facing elite quarterbacks. The Steelers
Speaker 2: got hosed that last month and a half. They'll be
Speaker 2: underdogs potentially in all those games.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if everyone's healthy, they usually could lose
Speaker 1: to the Ravens twice. I mean the Bengals, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yeah, it's just that's really really brutal. And
Speaker 1: let's face it, by that time, you're not one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some injuries. They've kind of been at
Speaker 1: a similar spot the last several years. They usually don't
Speaker 1: have some huge margin for error, right they don't start
Speaker 1: the seasons nine to three that They've been hovering around
Speaker 1: five hundred right till the bitter end these last couple
Speaker 1: of years. So I understand what they did. I would
Speaker 1: have done with their moves at quarterback, getting rid of
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, getting rid of the group they had for
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. But just because those guys
Speaker 1: are much more famous does mean they're going to be
Speaker 1: much more effective. And I'm not a Deshaun Watson guy,
Speaker 1: but obviously, if Lamar is healthy and Joe Burrow is healthy,
Speaker 1: the gap between Russell Wilson Justin Fields quarterback room is
Speaker 1: a mile long.
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