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Ant is spectacular, Like 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: I always felt this about and I'm not saying he's Jordan, 35 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: but he has some Jordan qualities and that's okay. Mahomes, 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 2: you know they're talking about Caleb Williams has Mahomes qualities. Yes, 37 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: he does. All the scouts as say, hey, he plays 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: like Patrick Mahomes. There are things about Aunt, but the 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: most Jordan thing about him is I remember watching Jordan 40 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: against Phoenix in his prime and I was still on 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: the couch with a friend watching it, and I'm like Okay, 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: he's not the best shooter, the best ball hand, he's 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: not the quickest guy in the league, and he's six 44 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: to six. Why does it look like he's like the 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: only Division IE player playing at the hy Like it's 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: like it. He makes it look so easy. Ant gets 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: past people on the first step. These are NBA athletes. 48 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: He just gets past everybody. So when you watch it 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: on TV, I don't think you would appreciate it. The 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: ability to always everybody knows where he's going. He loves 51 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: the first step. He sizes you up. He makes the 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: game look easy. Mahomes does this, Jordan did this. You're like, 53 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: why how I'm watching Aunt? And even against good offenders. 54 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: I mean Jamal Murray switched off to him one time. 55 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not even competitive. Murray's a world 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: class athlete. I mean, you've been in gyms with guys. 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: But I look at this and I'm like, when guys 58 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: start making thirty eight points look easy, there's about three 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: in the league one time that can do that. Maybe one. 60 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's athletic and then there's athletic among the athletes. 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: It's like an entirely different stratosphere, right, And like that's 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: kind of to me the difference between like a Jason 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: Tatum and an Anthony Edwards. Like Jason Tatum is a 64 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: very good NBA athlete, like a but like like like 65 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 4: he's in the he's close to that, like truly transcendent. 66 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: But there's clearly a difference between ant sizing up an 67 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 4: elite defender and beating him off the dribble and Tatum 68 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: doing the same thing. It's like that next level of elite, 69 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: top tier athleticism. Honestly, I regardless of what happens the 70 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: rest of this series, and I do think Denver is 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: gonna be gonna pull this out now. I think they've 72 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: effectively just rendered Minnesota's offense useless and and they're gonna 73 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: go home, and I think they're gonna win Game five. 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: And the biggest thing, too, is like Minnesota hasn't been 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: particularly competitive in either of these games, which is which 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: is a major concern, right, But like, no matter what, 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: it's very clear that Anthony Edwards is here to stay. 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: I think he's the next guy in that like line 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: of truly transcendent great American basketball players, Like it went 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: from MJ to Kobe, and it went from Kobe to Lebron, 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: and like, there have been guys along the way that 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: have had their little moments, but nobody that really had 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: the potential to take over the league for a long time. 84 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: And can't you just see it, Colin, can't you just 85 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: kind of imagine what the next ten years are like 86 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 4: for Ams? You could just kind of imagine him continuing 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: to ascend and getting better and better. I started to 88 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 4: think tonight, like like, if it could have pulled this 89 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: game out, it could have been one of those transcendent 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: moments you think about, like you know Lebron in like 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: two thousand and seven or two thousand and eight kind 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: of thing. And honestly, like Denver's just too good. That's 93 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: really all it is. Like Lebron ran into the O 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: eight Spurs and got swept. So like, at a certain point, 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how good you are at that phase 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 4: of your career. It is a team sport. And like, literally, 97 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: while all of his veteran teammates were falling apart, he 98 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 4: was continuing to ascend. It was really impressive. 99 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and this is appropriate. Jordan couldn't get 100 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: through a fully formed Pistons or Celtic dynasty, so I mean, 101 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: Denver's fully formed, they have the experience, they're better offensively, 102 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: they have Minnesota's length. So again, this is the way 103 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 2: it works. It's the baby steps. He comes in, he 104 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: pushes and makes a Denver you know, step back. They 105 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: got hit in the gin. Oh we got you know, 106 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: they dazed the champion and they lost. That's what happened 107 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: to Jordan. That's what happens to Lebron. So to me, 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: this is totally appropriate. We are amazed by the individual player, 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: but they still have tweaking to do. I mean, we 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: all know what Minnesota's gonna do in the off Season's 111 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: probably gonna move Carl Anthony Towns and they're gonna get 112 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: They're gonna get more offensive players. I mean, eventually Jordan 113 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: needed Pippin and Kerr, you know. I mean, like they 114 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: don't have to be a nightly great player, but you 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: do have to find players that take something off Ant's 116 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: plate a little bit. 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 4: There has to be Minnesota should go after KD. 118 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: It's not terrible because again the great gift of KD. 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: You can give him the ball eight seconds in the 120 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: shot clock four, He'll get a great look. Doesn't need 121 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's a little Klay Thompson, but obviously much better. 122 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't need the ball in his hands. Why that's 123 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: why the Jalen Brunson Katie works. The emotional part of 124 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: Katie to the Knicks TIBs that style. You know, is 125 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: he willing for it. Let's pivot to that, because listen, 126 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: the Knicks are beat up. Nothing you can do. Just 127 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: set the guys down, get ready for Tuesday. Be embarrassed. 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: You know you'll be on fire Tuesday. So Og is hurt. 129 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: Og got banged up this year as well. Brunson's not 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. We already know Mitchell Robbins and Julius 131 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Randall are out. So this is a limited team offensively 132 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: without injuries. So we all kind of kept waiting for 133 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: this team that was playing with Game seven intensity to 134 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: just just collapse. Just the wheels came off and they 135 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: sort of did. I still think they have a chance 136 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: to win this series. But I was saying this earlier 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: this week, and I said it last time I was 138 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: on with you. There's a lot of different scenarios with 139 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: the Knicks, and it's very easy to talk yourself into 140 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: we're just a piece away, but the East is going 141 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: to get better. It's just gonna get better. Butler's gonna 142 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: be healthy, Dane's gonna be healthy, Yannis will probably back, 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: and Beat'll get help. There's so many scenarios for the 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: next and I do wonder if instead of looking at 145 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and Nepaul George, they just they find another 146 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: og on the market, you know, they go get another 147 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: really good player, because I do think, you know, playing hard, 148 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: maybe it has limitations if you fade. I don't think 149 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: they can beat a Denver a Minnesota's length. But the 150 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Knicks have done something in the last three years that 151 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 2: they haven't done for twenty, which is they're patient. They're 152 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: like you look at them and you're like, this is 153 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: a well run team. They don't take I mean they 154 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: used to take, you know, big reaches on Amari Stadameyer 155 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: when he had bad knees. It's like, what are you doing? 156 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Like every GM in the league's like that. Amari's you know, 157 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: he's he's got like two years left, he's cooked. 158 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: Or trading for Carmelo when they could have sign him 159 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: as a free agent one year later, not got the roster. 160 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what they do. I think Paul 161 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: George fits everywhere. But again, it's such a unique culture, 162 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: like it's just not for everybody. I mean, I can't 163 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: wait to watch. I don't. They're not a championship team. 164 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: I think you know, listen, they're not. 165 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: We know it. 166 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: They're just you can't. There's too many great players, too 167 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: many good teams in this league. Nicks are not a 168 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: championship team. I don't know what the solution is. I 169 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: want to watch it. It's not in the draft. We 170 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: know that it's not a good draft. I mean Kd's 171 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: it's it's I just don't know. KD is. Boy. You 172 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: look at him post Golden State, It's it's he's different. 173 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: He's running through coaches, you know, and Tibbs has power 174 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: in that room. Nobody's pushing back on TIBs. I saw 175 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: this on the internet, and I apologize for not giving credit, 176 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: but somebody said, everybody starts somewhere. Is JJ Reddick supposed 177 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: to go to the G League? You know a lot 178 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: of these guys just don't want to coach college the NIL. 179 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: They just don't want to deal with limitations NCAA. Is 180 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: JJ Reddick? Is he a bad idea for the Lakers? 181 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: I mean I think Budenholzer would have taken the Lakers 182 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: job and Lebron would have bought in. They couldn't get 183 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: him out of town fast enough and he had a 184 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: title in Milwaukee. Jannis wasn't a fan. Is JJ Reddick 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: a terrible choice? Or are we over overstepping that that 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: everybody starts somewhere. Where's he going to start? He's rich, 187 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: he's not going to the G League's not taking that job. 188 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: Jason Kidd first experiment not good. Now he's established himself. 189 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: I mean, what is your take of JJ Reddick, who 190 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: people are getting gobbled up? Could be head of the 191 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: class now for the Lakers. 192 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the experience thing doesn't matter as much to 193 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: me for a couple of reasons. One, it's the classic 194 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: like corporate ideology, where like you're constantly towing the line 195 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: between rewarding experience versus rewarding talent, and like there's always 196 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 4: a fine line between like, oh, well, this guy's been 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 4: doing it for eight years. But it's like, yeah, but 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: he's the mediocre Because that's the other question here. This guy, 199 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: if JJ happens to have the talent for it, if 200 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: he happens to have the basketball like you or whatever 201 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: for it, then by all means make the move. And 202 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: so much of that depends on how he's acting behind 203 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: the scenes in the interviews if they go through an 204 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: interview process. But the second piece of it is you 205 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: can counteract a lot of the lack of inexperience or 206 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 4: a lack of experience with just putting experienced head coaches 207 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: on his staff. So you can address that by just 208 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: giving him a really good assistant coaching staff. As far 209 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: as I'm concerned with JJ Reddick, like when it comes 210 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: to the Lakers, what I'm really looking for is somebody 211 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: that holds players accountable because I look at them as 212 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: a defensive minded team anchored by two big athletic forwards 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: and Lebron James and Anthony Davis. Just look at the 214 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 4: around the league. When the Lakers won, they won when 215 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: they defended. You know, that was always their their bread 216 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: and butter. They made it to the Western Conference finals 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: last year as a defensive minded team, they lost in 218 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: the first round this year as an offensive minded team. 219 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: Going back to twenty twenty, they won when they were 220 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: a defensive minded team. So I'm really interested in somebody 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: that's going to hold them accountable, And I don't really 222 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: know if if JJ's willing to do that with Lebron, 223 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: that's gonna be something that is going to have to 224 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 4: be flushed out in the interview process. But I'm not 225 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: concerned about the experience simply because if JJ's got the talent, 226 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 4: he's got the talent, and they're going to anchor him 227 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 4: with experienced NBA coaches that will help him navigate the 228 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: eighty two game regular season. And honestly, like it's it's 229 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: really just going to be about like a collaborative effort 230 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: between Lebron, James and the and JJ Redick to kind 231 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: of identify what the strengths and weaknesses of the roster 232 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 4: are and go from there. It's really hard, honestly, Colin, 233 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: I wonder what it's like for you cover in the 234 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: NFL too, Like it's really difficult with coaches, especially new coaches. 235 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 4: We're not there for the interviews. Like with a player, 236 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 4: I can go look at tape and I can get 237 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: a really good feel for what he's good and bad at. 238 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: But like with JJ, it's like, well, what's his philosophy 239 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: going to be? What are what are his core his 240 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 4: core principles that he's going to build the team on 241 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 4: Like what is is he going to continue the five 242 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 4: out offense they were running out of Darvin ham with 243 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: Darvin hamm Are they going to run something different? Are 244 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: they gonna do something different offensively? It's so hard to 245 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 4: say because we're not in the room for those interviews. 246 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 4: But if JJ interviews well and they give him good 247 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 4: assistant coaches and he's got the talent for it, I 248 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 4: absolutely think it could work well. 249 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: I mean, Duke Kid, you know, you listen to the podcast, 250 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a thoughtful guy to me. You know, 251 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: it's experience is funny. You know, it's creating the volume 252 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: or working for years at ESPN or Fox Sports. You know, 253 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: people managers have come to me and said, hey, listen 254 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: to a tape or what do you make of this guy? 255 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: And my take is, if you've never done network, who cares, 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: Like we listened to your tape and we're like, yeah, 257 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: he's ready to go. 258 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't. 259 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: You didn't have to be somewhere. We thought you would 260 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 2: be here, So it's you know, it's Jerry Seinfeld was 261 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: speaking at Duke. He had a commencement speech and he 262 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: had a great line. He said, having stuff is nice, 263 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: Becoming stuff or having stuff is nice. Becoming something is 264 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: really more important, and becoming something is missus. It swings, 265 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: It's an ascension. In every job I've ever had, I 266 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: was a little over my skis for the first like 267 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: six to eight weeks, like I'm bailing water here, I'm 268 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: trying to catch I've had a friend once that got 269 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: a job at Google and she was like I literally 270 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: six weeks in, I'm like, oh, I'm dumb and this 271 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: is a full of smart people. I'm too dumb to 272 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: work at Google. And she goes then the light goes on, 273 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: you start clicking, and then like six months into it, 274 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 2: you're like okay, but it's like it's okay, Darvin Ham 275 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: learned on the job. If you're smart in any industry, 276 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: you'll figure it out. Like a lot of this stuff 277 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: with coaching is like I heard Frank Vogel, you know, 278 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: some complex, defensive stuff. Beale didn't really buy in. Booker 279 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: was close to an assistant coach, much closer than he 280 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: was Vogel. Kevin was fine, but Kevin's Kevin at this point, 281 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: and it was like Vogel just didn't he didn't resonate 282 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: with all the guys in the room, JJ Redick. If 283 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: Lebron buys him, we'll resonate with everybody in the room. 284 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: So my take is you start somewhere. If you get Lebron, 285 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: there is some credibility, like with Jason Kidd, Like there 286 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: is credibility player to player that JJ has. And I 287 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: think it's kind of unspoken, but kind of the middle aged, 288 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, guy that didn't play. I always think you 289 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: go into a locker room and about half the room 290 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: is like if the star doesn't buy into it, half 291 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: the room's not buying into it. Maybe that's cynical, but 292 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: I think everybody would buy into JJ Redick. 293 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 4: Well, it's like it's like Mike Norriy from the Timberwolves 294 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: are I can't remember his name, that assistant from the 295 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 4: Celtics who just got signed by the Charlotte Hornets. It's like, 296 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: if you bring in an assistant, it doesn't matter how 297 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: much he's been grinding in the film room, doesn't matter 298 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: how much he impressed the previous organization. He's got to 299 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: be able to look at Lebron and be like, hey man, 300 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: I need you to do this. And Lebron's got to 301 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: be like, okay, you know, and not only that, but 302 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: I'll hold the rest of the team accountable to help 303 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: him along the way. And so there, I do agree 304 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: that's the gravitas piece. And by the way, that's why 305 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: they hire Darvin Ham. They thought Darvin Ham would be 306 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: able to bring some of that, yes, like real gravitas 307 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: to the situation. The thing with JJ is you got 308 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 4: to acknowledge the risk because you're right, Like, they let 309 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: Darvin Ham learn on the fly and he didn't really 310 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: start making huge mistakes until this season with the roster 311 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: when he was like leaning into camerad as we've gone 312 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: over it, but like he made too many mistakes, and 313 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: then the Lakers had a situation where they looked at 314 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: the urgency of their situation and said, we have to 315 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: make a move. And so I just I just hope 316 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: that the Lakers' front office and ownership understands that if 317 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: you do take JJ, there is a risk. And even 318 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: though I believe he could do this well, especially with 319 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: good experienced staff behind him, anytime you go for a 320 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: first time head coach, there's a like, what if he's 321 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: just really bad at a in game adjustments? What if 322 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: he's just really bad, Like we don't know what it's 323 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: going to be, Like we're gonna find out over time. 324 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: And so that's where like the let's say the alternative, 325 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: let's say they were to get like a Kenny Atkinson 326 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: for instance, Like Kenny Atkinson is more of a known commodity. 327 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: He might be a higher floor, but like maybe you 328 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: don't get some of the upside you get if you 329 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: get a freaked out to your point, Steve Kerr, like 330 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: Steve Kerr is regarded as one of the best coaches 331 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: in the league. I think he's the second best coach 332 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: in the league behind Eric Spoulstra. Like that was a 333 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: risk signing Steve Curree. By the way, Steve Kerr was radical. 334 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: He came into a Mark Jackson led team that was 335 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: spam and pick and roll, and he said, Hey, Steph Curry, 336 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: we're taking the ball out of your hands. We're gonna 337 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: lead the league in passes. We're gonna run this motion 338 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: ball in player movement offense. And I'm sure there were 339 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: moments in training camp where it looked ugly, and I'm 340 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: sure there were moments where the front office was looking 341 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 4: down like, ugh, this is weird, you know, like we 342 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 4: just went, you know, two great playoff runs in twenty thirteen, 343 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: twenty fourteen, just having Steph run spread, pick and roll, 344 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: So like, this is funky, but then it works and 345 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 4: now Steve Kerr is regarded as one of the best 346 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 4: coaches in the league. So like, there's upside to going 347 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: with the JJ, but there's also a risk. And so 348 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: for me, I'm okay with that risk because I don't 349 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: really think there's any candidate out there that's a home 350 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: run anyway, right, So I think I think there's risk 351 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: all around. To begin with. 352 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: Former NFL scout John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast, it's 353 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: NFL schedule release, which is the closest thing to adult 354 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: entertainment for me once the season ends. This is cotton 355 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: candy when I was nine. I just I'll eat it 356 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: until my teeth rot. So and I know I like 357 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: it way more than the average person. 358 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: But colle, can we push back against all the haters 359 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: because there is a lot of people, especially considered the 360 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: sports media. They're like, this isn't that the NFL is 361 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: an event business. When Dana White announces a fight card, 362 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: it's a big deal. That's what the NFL is. Like 363 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the games do you know what the other do you 364 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: know what the NBA and Major League Baseball would give 365 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: to have their games in the regular season matter? This matters. Yeah, 366 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: we knew the opponents, but we didn't know the days, 367 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: the time, the bye weeks, the setup. This is an 368 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: event sport. I mean's why it's taken off the way 369 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: it has. Right. 370 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: Listen, you can tell they want Jim Harbaugh to start 371 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: two and oh, the Chargers get the Raiders at home, 372 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: one of the weaker teams, and then the Panthers on 373 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: the road. They want a two and oh, Jim Harbaugh 374 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: they want. Listen, there are certain things the NFL they're 375 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: gonna take care of, like, let's take companies for instance. 376 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: This is the strongest Amazon Thursday night schedule. Remember the 377 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: first few years of Amazon it was awful. 378 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was like Titans Texans when the 379 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Texans were bad. It was every week. 380 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: So the first now Thursday, they start with Josh Allen 381 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: and Tua. The next week it's Aaron Rodgers. The next 382 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: week it's Dak Prescott in Dallas. Week six, you get 383 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: the Niners Seattle. Week eight, it's Harbaugh, Jim. Week ten, 384 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: Burrow against Lamar Jackson. We know the NFL. Netflix got 385 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: Christmas games streaming service. They're taking care Amazon clearly said, listen, 386 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: what's your future? What are we gonna pay? What can 387 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: a network pay? I thought they took care of Amazon 388 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: as much as you can. I mean, you don't want to. 389 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: You gotta be careful on Thursday because you want some 390 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: close geographical matchups like New England Jets is a really 391 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: easy trip for both teams. That's an easy trip. Buffalo 392 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: Miami's not, but it's the first one. 393 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: But there's a Niners Rams Thursday night game. They like 394 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: to doing that additional games. 395 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: One of the things that jumped out to me is 396 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: that you know, Netflix, they did a solid they give 397 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: them Christmas games. Amazon Thursday. I mean, I'll be honest 398 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: with you. Monday Night football, John there is a what 399 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: I would call a star or high profile quarterback in 400 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: seventeen weeks now, I'm counting Caleb Williams and Tua is 401 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: high profile. It's the best Monday Night for ball schedule 402 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: live seat. So again, Disney money, Amazon money, Monday and 403 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: Thursday night are gonna weaken Sunday to some degree. There 404 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: are star quarterbacks being taken out of Sunday games. 405 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: Well, in a weird way that Sunday morning for us 406 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: on the West Coast, the ten am kickoff for the 407 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: NFL is a little bit of a throwaway at this point. 408 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: It is right the afternoon, the Fox main game and 409 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: the CBS game matter. They're all in on Sunday night 410 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: football Monday night. Once they hired Troy and Joe became 411 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a really really big deal. Peyton's involved, And let's face it, 412 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Amazon's top two or three company in the world, 413 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: so they're not going away. Streaming's not going away. To me, 414 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: what jumped out though, is Netflix reportedly paid seventy five 415 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: million dollars a game, and they got two of them. 416 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: They are I looked at their market cap, top forty 417 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: company in the world. Well are they gonna grow or 418 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: are they gonna shrink over the next ten twenty years. 419 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: And how you're in the business broadcast television, the cable bundle, 420 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: we know how that's going. We know the change of everything. 421 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: We see it in our podcast business compared to traditional radio. 422 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: To me, when I saw what they did at Netflix, 423 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: they didn't just give them two random games on Christmas. 424 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: They gave them chiefs at the Steelers and the Ravens 425 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: at the Texans yep, so equivalent four playoff teams. You 426 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: could argue the biggest star in the sport in Mahomes. 427 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: The Ravens were right there to go to the super 428 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: Bowl last year. The Texans are a trajectory like this, 429 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: and the Steelers are a top five brand. To me, 430 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: Netflix a little bit of a precursor. Are we looking 431 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: at the next television deal? Are there? Is there just 432 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: a package on Netflix on Sunday? Maybe? Because let's face it, 433 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: when I get in bed and she grabs the remote 434 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: the first we don't turn on. We have YouTube TV? 435 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Which are she goes to Netflix? And I looked right 436 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: before we hopped on they have eighty million subscribers in America. 437 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they're saying we get the NFL. Is that number 438 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: one hundred within a couple of years? 439 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: All throw give me a team individual, Give me a 440 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: couple teams individually. That jumped out to you. 441 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: Well, I heard your theory and you talking about the 442 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: Rogers situation. I think it's just simple. And I know 443 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: coaches and executives like GMS, you know the league, all 444 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: they care about is money. I mean that's their job, right, 445 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: so the ratings, I think Rogers is still a massive, 446 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: massive needle mover. Yeah, and like the week one, I 447 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: thought when I was looking at the potentials, because I 448 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: thought the Niners were going to get Sunday Night or 449 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: Monday Night football. You kind of feel once you knew 450 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Thursday Night a lot of stars that we already knew 451 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: the Friday night game. We didn't know the Sunday Night game. 452 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: But I was like, I think the Niners are getting 453 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: one of those. You looked at their schedule, It's like 454 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: I could see them throwing the Cowboys or the Jets. 455 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: And then once it was reported that the Cowboys did 456 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: the Brady thing, which is genius. I mean, how many 457 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: people are going to watch that game? Thirty five million 458 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: people on Sunday afternoon. The Niners, I mean the Niners 459 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: when they're winning, or a top two or three brand 460 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: in the league rating wise, Yes, And Aaron Rodgers buying, 461 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: especially coming off this injury, you know, controversial to some, 462 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: but he's just a polarizing player. And the Jets are 463 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: a New York major brand. I don't know if the 464 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: Jets are gonna be very good. I'm sure we'll dive 465 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: into but you put that thing on, just like they 466 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: did last year. I remember, like all of us around 467 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: the country, sitting there, Jets Bills. It's gonna feel really 468 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: big and do a huge number. But tough game for him. 469 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: It does get a little easy off the bat. Then 470 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: he goes to the Titans. Then he plays the Pats, 471 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: who I think are gonna be terrible. Denver rookie quarterback 472 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: mcglinch's their right tackle. The Jets have a good pass 473 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: rush Minnesota. We'll see. They're in a little transitional period. 474 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: So the Monday night game, if they can just get 475 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: through that healthy, I do think they could rattle off 476 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: a couple wins early. 477 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: See now I saw it the opposite. My take was 478 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 2: that you can only do so much because the Jets. 479 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: The schedule is what the schedule is. 480 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Right, if you know the teams, Yeah, right, right, and a. 481 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: Lot of it's baked in. You play the Bills twice, 482 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: Miami twice, New England twice, your conference, your division plays 483 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: certain divisions. But I thought they made Aaron's season as 484 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: tough as you could make it. So they start it's weak, right, So, 485 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: first of all, the last thing you want to do 486 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: in a rebuild a line is face the Niners defense 487 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: or front and week one that's a tough draw. Three 488 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: games in eleven days to start again with a rebuilt 489 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: a line. They have five short weeks and an international 490 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: game in weeks one through eleven. So the schedule the 491 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: quarterbacks they face isn't daunting. They could have done them 492 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: way more. Rest favors older quarterbacks and older people tend 493 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: to be creatures of habit as I've aged. You know, 494 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: I really like Peyton Manning hated Sunday night football games. 495 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Hated you're waiting around all day. 496 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: So Aaron Rodgers, they give him three games and eleven 497 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 2: days to start, five short weeks, an international game, and 498 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: Niners with an line build. The quality of the opponent 499 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: isn't great. 500 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: It is Will Levis and Jacoby Mersett. 501 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: No question, I will acknowledge that the games are the games. 502 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: But old quarterback rebuild a line and a lot of 503 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: short weeks. That's it's like for older quarterbacks, like Brady 504 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: would tell you, like I want to get going. Those 505 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: old quarterbacks love one o'clock games. 506 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: They love them, and there is not a harder travel 507 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: that than playing Monday night football. If you're a coastal team, 508 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: but on the East coast to the West coast and 509 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: flying home because what time are they you know, the 510 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: game ends at a fifteen By the time they get 511 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: out of there, they're getting home at five six in 512 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: the morning. So it is and then it's difficult on 513 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: your coach. It's it's a very, very difficult stretch. 514 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: I also looked at the NFL with Chicago. Again, Fox 515 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: would love Chicago to pop. 516 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean, she change target. 517 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: What do they get with a rookie quarterback Tennessee at 518 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: home to start new coach, new staff, and then week 519 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: five home Carolina a very winnable game against Washington early 520 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: they get a buy into it, so two weeks to 521 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: prepare for a very winnable game. Those feel like wins 522 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: to me for Chicago. I do think again, you could 523 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: have stacked green Bay on the road early. You could 524 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: have stacked this schedule. You know, Detroit open at Detroit 525 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: because though you know Chicago's a big brand, they gave 526 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: them a couple of layups early. 527 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: I do think when it comes to a rookie quarterback, 528 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: let's use Jaden Daniels and bow knicks for example, they're 529 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: playing the long game. Sean Payton's not going anywhere. This 530 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: new operation in Washington's so if there's up and downs 531 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: and you gotta lose his confidence, takes them a couple 532 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: weeks to gain it back. Whatever, We're okay winning six 533 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: games this first year. There is tangible pressure on the 534 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: coach in Chicago, right, he can't afford to go seven 535 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: to ten or he'll be fired. Yes, I agree with 536 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: you on the Titan situation. But then their next three 537 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: games for a young quarterback who is extremely talented, Like, 538 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: it's not like he's coming off an eleven wins seasons. Yes, 539 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was just it was a lot at 540 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: the Texans at the Colts. I think both those teams 541 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: are going to be really good. Yeah, they both loaded up. 542 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, Indy disdrafted a pass rusher in the top fifteen, 543 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: the Texans added one during free agency. And then you 544 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: play the Rams like, that's just a tough early stretch. 545 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't care how talented you are. Young people, confidence 546 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: can eb and flow, and the pressure of Chicago, the hype. 547 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: I do think that's just a tough early stretch. Now, 548 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: if all of a sudden they're three and two, I 549 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: mean we might be looking at a ten or eleven 550 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: win team. 551 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: Did you notice with the Cowboys schedule and we know 552 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: in the last month mostly the NFL wants division games. 553 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: You know, you want your Miami Buffaloes, although Miami bipe. 554 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: So you're good. You're good teams, so you think are 555 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: going to be compete for now. 556 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: Miami Buffalo both played pretty early. But Dallas has three, 557 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, out of division games that are pretty tough, 558 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: the Niners, the Ravens, and the Lions. They're done with 559 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: all of them by week eight. So so with Dallas 560 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: again McCarthy, dak this is an experienced team. They they 561 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 2: don't backload it because you know the Giants in Washington 562 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: won't be great. They get their three toughest to me, 563 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: the three games that you look at and go the 564 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: three best rosters they play will probably be San Francisco, Baltimore, 565 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: and Detroit and those are all done by week eight. 566 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 2: So if even if you go one and two on those, 567 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: they could have stacked a couple of those, you know, 568 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: week fourteen, week thirteen, so you go into these tough, brutal, 569 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: cold weather road games and divisions. No, they got rid 570 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: of their tough games early. Again, what do I like 571 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 2: Harbaugh getting a two and zero start. Listen Dallas Is. 572 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: I thought it went in their favor. That was my take. 573 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I do think that Cleveland, I'm not expecting the same 574 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 1: what we saw last year. I mean, obviously they're all 575 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: in a Deshaun Watson, his cap hit has really kicked 576 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: in the rosters. I don't think gonna be as good 577 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: just moving forward, obviously, and I'm not sure he's still 578 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: a good player. But even if they take a huge 579 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: step back, we all know Week one is tough, right, 580 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: You could play the worst team in the league in 581 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: Week one. Everyone has the same hopes and dreams. They're 582 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: everyone's OH to oh, especially at home, and Cleveland is 583 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: a tough place to play. And the hype on that 584 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: game with Brady calling it, that's a sneaky big game 585 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: because then all of a sudden, like I think most 586 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: people think the Saints were really shitty last year. They 587 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: did go nine to eight and their offense was mainly putrid. Well, 588 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: they had Kubiak's kid who comes from Shanahan. I think 589 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: the Saints are gonna be better, and then you got Baltimore. 590 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: It's just a tough little early stretch for a team. 591 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: That. 592 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to say they're walking on eggshells, but 593 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: the McCarthy story, the Dack, if they don't extend them, 594 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: it could get weird, and it could get weird fast. 595 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: I just got that Cleveland game circle. I think that 596 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: is going to be very I can see Cleveland winning 597 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: that thing and Cleveland being a six to seven win team. 598 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make an argument and that the toughest schedule 599 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: in the league I saw was the Pittsburgh Steelers. 600 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Oh it's really hard. 601 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so you start, you have better rosters than these teams, 602 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: but they load them up at Atlanta, at Denver, at 603 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: Indy and Harbaugh. That's a rough start. I mean again, 604 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: you have better rosters than Atlanta, Denver, the Chargers, Nindy, 605 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: three of the four on the road, and you come 606 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: out of that road streak with Dallas two weeks later. 607 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers like, that's rough. And did you see the 608 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: last six quarterbacks Pittsburgh Faces Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts, 609 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Mahomes and Burrow Like, good, look, Mike Tomlin 610 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: is going to be on a network broadcasting and by 611 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: the way, I predict he'll be great. I've talked to 612 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: two network execs who would hire Mike Tomlin tomorrow. 613 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: Are you short in the Steelers this year? 614 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: I am short in them. I mean, did you have 615 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: to put at the end of the year the last 616 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: three quarterbacks, Lamar, Mahomes and Burrow in the last month. 617 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: Did you see the story though about Burrow's hand surgery 618 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: the percentage of it keeping You know, most surgeries are 619 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: ninety to ninety five percent that risk. Hand surgery is 620 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: like seventy to seventy five percent success rate, and then 621 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: it no matter how well it goes, there's basically guaranteed inflammation. 622 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: It's a little trickier than just your ACL or your 623 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: broken leg. I do think that's something to keep a 624 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: heavy eye on. Now. If he plays seventeen games, I 625 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: think we'd all acknowledge they're going to be one of 626 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: the better teams in the NFL. But if that thing 627 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: crops up where it is, I mean, it would be 628 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: a major problem. I thought the moment that they signed Russ, 629 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: before we even knew their schedule or who they were 630 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: playing one. They're not financially invested in them at all, right, 631 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: They're paying them about a million dollars or even Denver 632 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: last year. Let's say hypothetically Sean Payton was out on 633 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: him by October. First, financially, he had to see if 634 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: he could make it work. And then the least there 635 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: is not going to be long. They have no draft 636 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: cap invested, they have nothing invested, and they do have 637 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: another guy in a one year contract who might not 638 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: be good either, but at least this physically brings a 639 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: lot more to the table. And we saw Arthur Smith, 640 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, win with Ryan Tannehill and Mark's Mariota. So 641 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: it's like, I just don't think this guy's getting a 642 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: long leash. He's not going to be Dnking and Duncan 643 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: and they're one to three and he gets to keep 644 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: his job. No, I mean, I just I look to 645 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: you move teams and they're not paying anything. He better 646 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: play well and they better have success or he will 647 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: go to the pine. 648 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 2: I looked at Pittsburgh today and I thought, I know, 649 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins never had a losing season. That last six 650 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: game stretch, You'll have the second best quarterback in all 651 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: of those games, all of them. You know, one of 652 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: the things I always look at is how many great 653 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: quarterbacks do you face, the Jets don't face a lot 654 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: of great quarterbacks. But again, they have seven standalone games, 655 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: six night games, five short weeks, an international game. So 656 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: the Jets schedule's pretty easy. The NFL didn't do him 657 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: any favors with Knight, standalones, international. I look at Pittsburgh 658 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: and there's just no way if the Jets have the 659 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: easiest schedule in terms of facing elite quarterbacks. The Steelers 660 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: got hosed that last month and a half. They'll be 661 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: underdogs potentially in all those games. 662 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if everyone's healthy, they usually could lose 663 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: to the Ravens twice. I mean the Bengals, the Eagles, 664 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yeah, it's just that's really really brutal. And 665 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: let's face it, by that time, you're not one hundred percent, 666 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna have some injuries. They've kind of been at 667 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: a similar spot the last several years. They usually don't 668 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: have some huge margin for error, right they don't start 669 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: the seasons nine to three that They've been hovering around 670 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: five hundred right till the bitter end these last couple 671 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: of years. So I understand what they did. I would 672 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: have done with their moves at quarterback, getting rid of 673 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, getting rid of the group they had for 674 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. But just because those guys 675 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: are much more famous does mean they're going to be 676 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: much more effective. And I'm not a Deshaun Watson guy, 677 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: but obviously, if Lamar is healthy and Joe Burrow is healthy, 678 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: the gap between Russell Wilson Justin Fields quarterback room is 679 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: a mile long. 680 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: The volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed 681 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: the podcast, take a moment rate and review. 682 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Jason timp host of Hoops Tonight. 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