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Speaker 1: That's what pays the bills. We're trying to pay the
Speaker 1: bills here with Brian brought us as usual. Welcome sir,
Speaker 1: Thank you man. I appreciate that Mickey Spagnola will be
Speaker 1: joining us momentarily finishing up his radio hit k Garrison
Speaker 1: next door inside the Garrison in producing as usual and
Speaker 1: Cowboys back to practice again on a Thursday, getting set
Speaker 1: for those Philadelphia Eagles. Interesting practice yesterday with it was
Speaker 1: a lot like what we'd seen at Oxnard with the
Speaker 1: jerseys and shorts and no helmets. You know that's with
Speaker 1: you when you get the money night game, and you
Speaker 1: know Jason Garrett, very conscious of his team. You know,
Speaker 1: coming off that Money Night game, they had a lot
Speaker 1: of rest, but you know, like we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of games coming up too, so
Speaker 1: he has to be very mindful of how he plays.
Speaker 1: This singing a good teaching session for him tomorrow yesterday
Speaker 1: if you think about a lot of the guys that
Speaker 1: they've had to kind of move around to trying to
Speaker 1: to help them with some of the injuries that they've had.
Speaker 1: So guys got an opportunity to kind of catch the
Speaker 1: breath a little bit and then learn what they need
Speaker 1: to do to get ready for the game plan for Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: It was essentially a walkthrough style practice. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: definitely a slower pace than usual. They weren't in pads
Speaker 1: as they normally have been on Wednesdays. Wednesdays, right, do
Speaker 1: you think they go in pads today? No. I was
Speaker 1: at the at the walking past after eating breakfast this morning.
Speaker 1: I saw the schedule up on the board. It was
Speaker 1: Shell's indoors, so, uh, kind of what we normally see
Speaker 1: on a Thursday. For them, they like you say, you know,
Speaker 1: you're right. They traditionally go with the pads on Wednesday
Speaker 1: and you know this will be uh, they're getting back
Speaker 1: into normal routine today. Okay, Mickey, welcome. How are you
Speaker 1: guys doing today? Doing well? Thanks, We're doing well. We're
Speaker 1: just recapping a light practice coming off the Monday night
Speaker 1: game for Dallas. Maybe saving uh, you know, you only
Speaker 1: get thirteen or those padded practice, that's right, you have
Speaker 1: sixteen games, so maybe he decided to push a couple
Speaker 1: of padded practice down the way. Well, we were talking
Speaker 1: about it though too. I don't know when you're jussing
Speaker 1: your mic and stuff. Though. They've got a lot of
Speaker 1: games coming up, you know, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many padded practices he's going to be able to
Speaker 1: get to fair point, you know with four games. He's
Speaker 1: got Thursday games, and you know, maybe he could get
Speaker 1: back to a padded practice. Well probably next week. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't scoff at Mickey's idea. Well, they're not going to
Speaker 1: have one, you know, the week the week of Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You pick up another one there, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then maybe when you get to Thursday to Thursday you
Speaker 1: can have one because then you got nine days off
Speaker 1: before you play the next game. After the New Orleans game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any concern though if you're trying to evaluate a guard
Speaker 1: or have we already been able to evaluate a guard
Speaker 1: through practices that these guards have not been You know,
Speaker 1: one of the guys, Sue Philo has been part of
Speaker 1: the team, has not been active for any of the games.
Speaker 1: Can you get something out of or do you think
Speaker 1: they already kind of know what they want to talk
Speaker 1: about a competition? Yeah, I mean publicly seemed like Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett narrowed it down to he mentioned Sue Philo and
Speaker 1: Adam Redman, who is also your primary backup center. Those
Speaker 1: are the two guys they mentioned. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they're inclined to change out two spots to fix one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what Mickey was talking about yesterday, and I believe
Speaker 1: he's absolutely right about that. And how many weeks into
Speaker 1: the season. This is the tenth week? Yeah, I think eleven.
Speaker 1: For some reason in my head it's yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's week ten, Yeah, because four Yeah, by ninth game. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all along, the thought in their mind was Redmond was
Speaker 1: the backup center guard. So in two days are you
Speaker 1: going to change that? What you're thinking was, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been going as this idea that Redmond was the
Speaker 1: backup guard, right, Yeah, I think so. I mean he
Speaker 1: was when I was asking some folks about him. He
Speaker 1: was the one guy that was practicing last week when
Speaker 1: the Wednesday practice when Zack Martin couldn't go initially, and
Speaker 1: then Zack Martin was able to rally for Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was Redman that was first. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think they'll probably if my guess is if they
Speaker 1: had you know, five to eight plays, maybe eight plays,
Speaker 1: that Redman would have gotten five of them in Sue
Speaker 1: Philo three. Now, maybe that'll flip today. We've seen it
Speaker 1: before in training camp, you know, where they've they've put
Speaker 1: a guy in and said, Okay, let's take a look
Speaker 1: at this guy, and then the next day give the
Speaker 1: backup the majority of the reps. So we'll see. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Sue Filo will be the guy that it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more work today. That probably would be telling,
Speaker 1: because otherwise I don't think you're gonna say, oh, Friday,
Speaker 1: I'm going to change my mind. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: Sue Field is going to be out there. So and
Speaker 1: we're talking about the left guard position because Connor Williams. Indeed,
Speaker 1: Nie Scope got a timetable on that, maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, longer it looked like all it went
Speaker 1: in you know. Well, I guess as can be was
Speaker 1: a loose bou Yeah, it was a loose piece of cartilage.
Speaker 1: It was basically the same thing they did for Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: He practiced for Gregory was in there, so he did stuff.
Speaker 1: So what he missed two weeks, he did it during
Speaker 1: the bye. Then he missed the next game a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, so he missed two weeks. So he's kind
Speaker 1: of on the same this game schedule. And uh, from
Speaker 1: what I'm told, Uh, and he knowing Connor and how
Speaker 1: hard he works, then that you give yourself a better
Speaker 1: chance to get back sooner rather than later. Um, I
Speaker 1: think other than some other guys quickly looking at that,
Speaker 1: you can let that one go. You know what I did.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pick up on it, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you that my mind was focused on
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I missed the implication, you know. And Gregory
Speaker 1: got back out there, right, and you know, I guess
Speaker 1: and they're still yeah, okay, there's still little cloudy on
Speaker 1: when David irvingles I'll be back. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's still I don't know if he's still writing
Speaker 1: his scooter or what. I'm gonna be sitting at the
Speaker 1: lake one day. I think I told you guys this,
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting at the lake one day looking at
Speaker 1: the crawfish spot and I'm gonna go, someone's gonna ask
Speaker 1: me brought us? Is the best player you've ever seen
Speaker 1: that didn't do anything? David Irving is gonna be my guy.
Speaker 1: David Irving is going to be the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know what, super super, super talented guy.
Speaker 1: But he just he never did anything that you know,
Speaker 1: never did it with any consistency. The Marcus du Pre
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty could very well be as strong as that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean his was a little different than
Speaker 1: than David Irvings. Yeah, some of these things have been
Speaker 1: out of his control. Role We talked about that. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: he does have a high ankle sprain that's gonna sideline
Speaker 1: you at least for a couple of weeks, I would think, right, Um,
Speaker 1: he had the concussion last year. There are things he's
Speaker 1: been able to control. Suspension, he had the last two seasons. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when he's been healthy and engaged. To me,
Speaker 1: he's as talented as any player on the team. That's
Speaker 1: why they put up with us. Yeah, that's why exactly.
Speaker 1: I've been sitting at the crawfish pot stern and talking
Speaker 1: about him that go yeah, yeah, I mean fish. I'll
Speaker 1: be ready, go yeah, I'll be on a fishing boat.
Speaker 1: Somebody'll ask me that question. So they had eight guys
Speaker 1: that did not practice yesterday. Go through those who got
Speaker 1: who got? So Tavon Austin, I think he's still Yep,
Speaker 1: he's still out. Ye, Taco Charlton with the shoulder. Uh,
Speaker 1: that one little disconcerting since, Um, you know, if if
Speaker 1: if they can get Gregory back, it helps out Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford because otherwise he's playing almost every down at that
Speaker 1: right defense event spot. Uh. David Irving we mentioned, and
Speaker 1: I don't think he's back, no, anytime. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe Thanksgiving somewhere in there, Sean Lee, I would think
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, ye the way it sounds so stour one, two,
Speaker 1: three in a row. Yeah yeah, so maybe New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Maybe after New Orleans and you got nine more days
Speaker 1: before you play again. Be nice to have him back
Speaker 1: for that. Saint Jeff Swain didn't practice, but with the
Speaker 1: part we saw he was moving around with a brace
Speaker 1: on his knee. Uh, he was. He was listening as
Speaker 1: not practicing. He was listening to Dan Pee. Did I
Speaker 1: read it right? Yeah? Because limited was Martin, So Swain
Speaker 1: did not practice, but he looked like he was moving. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well he was on the field in the media portion,
Speaker 1: but they weren't doing anything at that point. Well, they
Speaker 1: were running those plays though, the skeleton plays against air,
Speaker 1: and he was out there and he looked like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was running patterns. Joe Thomas is still out. Deante
Speaker 1: Thompson has ribs um. You know he only played like
Speaker 1: three plays last week. Yeah, two passes. They got hit
Speaker 1: in the back. That might be where they got him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happened. You have a kickoff return as well,
Speaker 1: didn't It's a rare one that they had, didn't he
Speaker 1: have when he brought back out to about the twenty
Speaker 1: three yard line that maybe got whacked then? And then
Speaker 1: the other guy was Connor Williams, which we knew about.
Speaker 1: Andy Gregor was listed as limited. Zach Martin limited, But
Speaker 1: I you know, you'd have to cut Zack's foot off before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had and in Philadelphia getting a little bit healthier.
Speaker 1: They're getting Darren Sprowls back this week, although there's a
Speaker 1: report from Adam Schefter this morning that he tweaked his
Speaker 1: hamstring in practice already and may not be available for
Speaker 1: the game now. Huh So, and he's only played four
Speaker 1: this I didn't relay. Yeah, he's only played four games
Speaker 1: in two two years. Yeah, but they were all happy
Speaker 1: that he was going to be back. So maybe that
Speaker 1: because they're right. I mean, they're running back core Is,
Speaker 1: you know, Wendell's Smallwood, Corey Clement, and Josh Adams. Those
Speaker 1: guys have totaled for five hundred and thirty one yards
Speaker 1: yeah rushing. I think Zeke's at six eighty. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: one guy that I would worry about is and they
Speaker 1: use all three of them, mickey, and they can't really
Speaker 1: get any traction with the guys. The guy I really
Speaker 1: like is the guy they signed off the street after
Speaker 1: the draft is Josh Adams. I wrote about him in
Speaker 1: my Under the Radar Players. He's a lot better if
Speaker 1: he didn't have the knee history that he had at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He would have been drafted. But he's playing
Speaker 1: okay for them. You know, I think that. You know,
Speaker 1: when you watch him, he's a big, tall guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys too. When he watched it
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, he was able like he had a lot
Speaker 1: of long runs. I mean like thirty yard plus runs.
Speaker 1: You know, give him the ball inside, boom, he hits
Speaker 1: a second level, he's gone, and you're thinking, man, he
Speaker 1: looks big, slow knee brey saw and then but he's
Speaker 1: running away from people. So I think they're pretty happy
Speaker 1: about getting a college free agent there off the streets,
Speaker 1: you know, kid. You know, I don't know it's where
Speaker 1: he's from originally, but went to school Notre Dame. Looks
Speaker 1: like a nice player. It looked like a nice player
Speaker 1: on tap Hey Smallwoods, a guy that started the uh
Speaker 1: he started the Jacksonville game when they were playing in London.
Speaker 1: That's the last time they played so and then Clement.
Speaker 1: They Clement they bring in as kind of a kind
Speaker 1: of a I want to call a change of pace guy.
Speaker 1: But he you know, he'll get some carries. This is
Speaker 1: an offense that plays college offense basically plays sideways when
Speaker 1: they they're handoffs. A lot of their stuff is sideways.
Speaker 1: Occasionally they'll run like a toss, sweep and things like that,
Speaker 1: but they're really more of an inside handoff, read and
Speaker 1: then and then make that make that adjustment as they're
Speaker 1: going up the field. Adam's averaging five point four carries,
Speaker 1: so he's had some some longer deals. And then they're
Speaker 1: getting healthier. With Peters's back out there, Corey Graham their
Speaker 1: safeties back out uh spray knee. But he basically said,
Speaker 1: this is the Cowboys and I'm playing. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like those guys. Yeah, so so both their tackles are
Speaker 1: dealing with something. Yeah, he's got an mcl I think
Speaker 1: so he yeah, he got he got yeah. And the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville game he got, he got rolled up on pretty good,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he was they got a sack
Speaker 1: on the play and he having Carson Wentz happened to
Speaker 1: fall right into the back of his legs and then
Speaker 1: Clais Campbell just drove him over the top of Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and that affected the way. They've had some trouble.
Speaker 1: They've had to move some guys around this. Stephen was nisky,
Speaker 1: uh was nuski their their guard. He's he's been having
Speaker 1: a place. He played a little center, he's been a backup.
Speaker 1: Isaac Suamaloh is a you know, a guy that they
Speaker 1: drafted in the third round from twenty sixteen. He's been
Speaker 1: the starter. He's number seventy three. So they've had to
Speaker 1: move some guys around. When Johnson got hurt, guys were
Speaker 1: moving from guard to tackle and stuff like that. So, uh,
Speaker 1: just kind of keep an eye on their situation. We
Speaker 1: talked about them a little bit earlier and Rob, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you're probably gonna get into him as well,
Speaker 1: but we talked about this group as being kind of
Speaker 1: a heavy footed group. With the exception of Lane Johnson.
Speaker 1: He's a really good athlete, that's the one thing he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kelsey's a good too, but everybody else is pretty much
Speaker 1: a heavy footed type of a guy, and so you
Speaker 1: need to kind of try and take advantage. Don't rush
Speaker 1: down the middle of these cats, kind of get them
Speaker 1: on the move a little bit. People who have had
Speaker 1: some success against him rushing the passer and affecting Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz have been able to play on the move a
Speaker 1: little bit better against these guys. Good two more things.
Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey didn't practice but it's not injury. And Jason
Speaker 1: Mills looks like he may not make it for this game.
Speaker 1: And Jalen Mills, Jalen Mills, I said, what did I say?
Speaker 1: What they say with what's wrong with Janlen Mills got
Speaker 1: a foot injury and he didn't practice, and what I
Speaker 1: read was that he may miss this game. And Sydney
Speaker 1: Jones there other Yeah, their other corner, um so, and
Speaker 1: we know what Gia's out so um so, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: it's cowboys weak up there. The hatred is coming out
Speaker 1: left and right. Are you seeing hatred online or I'm
Speaker 1: seeing hatred in the newspaper from radio interviews and how
Speaker 1: this is not a very classy organization that they have
Speaker 1: to play and they're arrogant and we hate their fans
Speaker 1: and the players are saying this stuff, right, and are
Speaker 1: they go read it. It's it's amazing, Go go read it.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's amazing. Uh. You know, Jenkins is
Speaker 1: starting his because he's got to get himself jacked up
Speaker 1: to play. And I'm bet he's disappointed that he doesn't
Speaker 1: get to play Dez so they can have their pregame
Speaker 1: fight all the time, and uh, and I think he's
Speaker 1: got him next week though, yeah, oh really, yeah? Good
Speaker 1: they do and Saints play the Saints and Eagles play
Speaker 1: next week. I saw one of their calumness in the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia inquired to call it the moribund Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: was going, hey, they're one game worse than the Eagles, right,
Speaker 1: hold that, hold that thought, because I've got something for
Speaker 1: me maybe after this first break my sports hate going
Speaker 1: on here. Yeah, it's a funny that the media gets
Speaker 1: involved in it. What's wrong with a little rivalry. No,
Speaker 1: it's fine. I think it's good. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 1: understand it, Like it doesn't happen from here, right. You know,
Speaker 1: after you get past the Redskins in the early nineties,
Speaker 1: you never hear Cowboy players say, God, I hate that school,
Speaker 1: I hate that team, I hate that city. Well we
Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit less two weeks ago
Speaker 1: Redskins Week. Yeah, I mean, the player turnover is so
Speaker 1: drastic now compared to back in the day, where you know,
Speaker 1: you had the same roster every year in the eighties,
Speaker 1: even some of the nineties. But that pertains to them. Guys.
Speaker 1: Kelsey was born in I think he's thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: So he was born in eighty seven, all right, he
Speaker 1: was a draft that Yeah, he was drafted in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: So okay. He was talking about how you got to
Speaker 1: hate the Cowboys give of how they acted during the strike,
Speaker 1: And I'm going, were you born yet? Do you know
Speaker 1: what happened? Is he talking about the strike in the
Speaker 1: eighty seven Yeah, because when the Cowboys crossed the picket
Speaker 1: line like Randy White and all those guys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he didn't know why. Yeah, he wasn't even born. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or he was and he was still in diapers, but
Speaker 1: he heard the storys and and it's like a holly.
Speaker 1: Are the players just are they influenced by the fan base? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Fan base hates the Dallas Cowboys? So who does the
Speaker 1: Cowboys hate? Huh? Who do the Cowboys hate? Go ask
Speaker 1: Shoozy who he hates. I don't think players hate anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't think players hate each other. I think I
Speaker 1: think players know. I mean, which team do they hate? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's a competition with the Eagles. I do
Speaker 1: think there's a competition with the Eagles. How many clearly
Speaker 1: the Eagles go in that locker room and start asking
Speaker 1: about guys and see see who they hate. I know
Speaker 1: you said, I didn't you say team, team, the team?
Speaker 1: I bet they don't. They know numbers mostly, they probably
Speaker 1: don't even know names. I think I think this particular team,
Speaker 1: this Cowboys team, right now, eight games in, they're more
Speaker 1: focused on themselves and how they can play better and
Speaker 1: get out of this hole. Well, the Eagles should be
Speaker 1: the same way. Well, they won the Super Bowl though,
Speaker 1: last year, so they got rights they have, they have
Speaker 1: bragging rights. Yeah we can, we can. You can let
Speaker 1: them talk because and four and they lost to the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans too, by the way, So are you calling
Speaker 1: for the dub No, Thursday are not at all. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that. I'm just saying they're four and four.
Speaker 1: Well that's the problem with this division. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: every you know, that's why. And again I said this yesterday,
Speaker 1: I said it this morning on the rain and I won.
Speaker 1: Oh five three. I think I think I know Mickey's
Speaker 1: not mad. You know, I think fans out there mad
Speaker 1: and I think I'm mad too. Is because you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe I like, I say, the expectations were not great,
Speaker 1: But now I see the division the way it is,
Speaker 1: and I'm mad that they that they're not better. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm That's where I'm going here, you understand, And
Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely fair enough, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: think fans, I think fans expectations initially weren't great, and
Speaker 1: now you know, you see the divisions a mess, and
Speaker 1: you're like thinking, you know, damn it, I wish we
Speaker 1: had a better team, wish we were winning more games.
Speaker 1: It would be the same way if the division wasn't
Speaker 1: a mess. I think, so what the fans. Absolutely, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are never supposed to lose. Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: grew up here, you know that. I know that. But
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't lose for twenty years. Nothing a lot,
Speaker 1: not a lot. I hear it every day when they
Speaker 1: give tours at this place. Twenty twenty consecutive winning seasons.
Speaker 1: The years I was watching the team, they would they went,
Speaker 1: they went to the playoffs, like nineteen of twenty eight. Oh,
Speaker 1: trust me, I was there every year. And then the
Speaker 1: first year I got here, they didn't go to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're the problem. What the hell? You guys told
Speaker 1: me they go to the playoffs every year. Maybe it's Mickey,
Speaker 1: maybe you're the reason. I don't know. Let's take our
Speaker 1: first break, by the way, because along those lines, I
Speaker 1: got some stats about the Eagles and what they've been
Speaker 1: through the first eight games of the season. Eight eight, eight, five, five,
Speaker 1: two two nine seven is the number. If you want
Speaker 1: to join the conversation, we'll get to that and Dez
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Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studio. Cowboys back to practice on a Thursday,
Speaker 1: a more normal paced practice, we would think, after a
Speaker 1: light practice on Wednesday, And you guys were talking about
Speaker 1: the Eagles. At four and four the Eagles, they are
Speaker 1: second in the NFC East behind I believe five and
Speaker 1: three Washington. But as you point out, Mickey, it has
Speaker 1: not gone smoothly for the defending Super Bowl Chaps. Here's
Speaker 1: a quote from ESPN's Tim mcmannus, who covers the Eagles.
Speaker 1: He wrote this yesterday. If twenty seventeen was like gliding
Speaker 1: on ice, the first half of this season was like
Speaker 1: trudging through mud. And he points out that Philly topped
Speaker 1: twenty four points offensively twelve times last year so far
Speaker 1: once this season. Now, they did get twenty four against
Speaker 1: Jacksonville in a victory before their bye week a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, so maybe they're back on track. Maybe
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz needs some time to get back into form
Speaker 1: after the knee injury. But I think you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not dismissing the troubles this team has had here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: We've talked about them at nauseum as that's our job.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been good for the most part. They're three
Speaker 1: and five. But if you go up and to Philly
Speaker 1: and hear the pulse of that team, that's a team
Speaker 1: that's that's shown some flaws now they have. They have
Speaker 1: a tremendous front defensively, that's probably the strength of their
Speaker 1: football team, right you could argue that's the strength of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys football team as well. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: these teams are similar, although the Eagles do have one
Speaker 1: more victory. Both trying to find something to get going
Speaker 1: offensively and by the way, Philly made a trade at
Speaker 1: the deadline, they did for an accomplished wide receiver, Golden Tate,
Speaker 1: same way Dallas did, to try to get something going,
Speaker 1: try to get some juice going for their young quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the you know, they obviously feel like though that offensively,
Speaker 1: their problems had been on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, they are They're a team that you know,
Speaker 1: was kind of looking for that playmaker on that I
Speaker 1: love all Sean Jeffrey though, I really really do. I
Speaker 1: he's a guy I hate playing against him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a guy. He goes and gets
Speaker 1: the football. He's a physical guy. He's he's gonna push
Speaker 1: on you. He's a bully. I mean, he's a real
Speaker 1: bully in these games. And you know they brought Jordan Matthews,
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews back. You know, he's looks like he's had
Speaker 1: a second to a second to like a caught a
Speaker 1: second win with his career here with Philadelphia. And then
Speaker 1: they add Golden Tate. We've all know what Golden Tate is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is not gonna be fun. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those games where you're playing against
Speaker 1: the offense that you know, you said it. Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: has had problems, He's had problems, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: being accurate with throws. I feel like Jacksonville got after
Speaker 1: him pretty good, Minnesota got after him, Carolina got after
Speaker 1: I mean, there's teams have been able to get after him.
Speaker 1: Their struggles a little bit like the Cowboys as well,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as with their offensive line, and
Speaker 1: they haven't been real consistent overall, as Mickey pointed out,
Speaker 1: running the football, but you know, adding golden Tate. You know,
Speaker 1: here's another guy and you throw it and then you
Speaker 1: throw zach Ertz out there as well. You know, they've
Speaker 1: got some guys that you're gonna have to deal with
Speaker 1: this in the secondary. And what we saw the other
Speaker 1: day from the Cowboys against Tennessee, you know, can't make
Speaker 1: you feel great, even though they've played well all year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just a bad weekend for the boys
Speaker 1: at the office, but you know, this is the things
Speaker 1: that scare me that if they do get protection and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now you're having to cover
Speaker 1: a bunch of weapons, you know on the outside. You know,
Speaker 1: they're very capable of putting up some points that way.
Speaker 1: I think Tate makes them more dangerous offensively than they
Speaker 1: were because I mean, if you look at the numbers
Speaker 1: for what they what they were, zach Ertn's their offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had sixty one catches already, sixty one, and and
Speaker 1: the rest of the wide receiver is Aguilar forty one,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey twenty nine. Yeah, and so and you know matthe Matthew,
Speaker 1: yeah ten. So Tate is going to add some juice
Speaker 1: to then offense. That's very tight end dependence. It seems
Speaker 1: like they've got a group now that compliments each other. Well,
Speaker 1: you got you mentioned Jeffrey on the outside, ertz is
Speaker 1: you know they're underneath or you know, uh, possession type receiver.
Speaker 1: And now Tate is such a run after catch guy.
Speaker 1: He's so dangerous that way. I'm trying to think. I
Speaker 1: wonder if the Cowboys have ever faced a wide receiver
Speaker 1: you know, his caliber, three times in a regular season before.
Speaker 1: That's not really ideal. No, no, it's not that, it's
Speaker 1: the reality. It is reality. I mean, well you think
Speaker 1: about though two you know the numbers two, Mickey on
Speaker 1: the on the Jordan Matthews. They picked him up halfway
Speaker 1: through the seasons or we're at halfway point. But he's
Speaker 1: only he hasn't been with the club that long. I
Speaker 1: mean he's actually had some productive, some productive some catch
Speaker 1: Nelson A get rid of him, Yeah, they did get
Speaker 1: rid of him, and they brought him back, and I
Speaker 1: could say Nelson aguilar his I think he's the one
Speaker 1: guy that has to be probably the biggest disappointment as
Speaker 1: you talk about a first round pick. You know, the
Speaker 1: last year for the Super Bowl, he did some some
Speaker 1: decent things. But overall, I mean that that that hasn't
Speaker 1: really worked out great for them, is that type of
Speaker 1: a player. But I just the thing that worried me,
Speaker 1: that bothers me is it's just was this just a
Speaker 1: blip on the radar? Is that the right I don't
Speaker 1: know if I said that the right way, but the
Speaker 1: blip on the radar way the Cowboys secondary played last week?
Speaker 1: Or was it was it? Or is this a trend
Speaker 1: now that Okay, they they they they're they're gonna struggle.
Speaker 1: They're not. I hope it's just just a bad game.
Speaker 1: I just hope it was because they're about to play
Speaker 1: some teams. We know this, just look at the schedule.
Speaker 1: They're gonna their secondary is gonna have to be on
Speaker 1: the screws for them to have some success. If they
Speaker 1: can hold up in coverage. We've seen what happens when
Speaker 1: they hold them in coverage. What happens They get pressure,
Speaker 1: you know, and then and they get turnover, they get
Speaker 1: some fumble, they get you know, get fumbles and stuff
Speaker 1: like that when they get pressure. So I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of I'm just a little I'm just thinking that all right,
Speaker 1: hanging there, hanging there, hanging there and hopefully it works out.
Speaker 1: But I have I'm starting to have a little bit
Speaker 1: of some doubts. I hope they proved me wrong about
Speaker 1: the about this game this week and far as playing
Speaker 1: coverage golden tape. By the way, in four career games
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys, he's caught eighteen passes out of nineteen targets.
Speaker 1: There's your stat, Mick. Yeah, that's wonderful for two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six yards staff from ESPN. He's been good.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I forget what his stats were
Speaker 1: in the Detroit game a few weeks ago. None of
Speaker 1: their receivers missed a pass in that game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that was a game where Cheeto his
Speaker 1: coverage was above average. It was good. Yeah, just some
Speaker 1: really good contested catches by Marvin Jones and those guys.
Speaker 1: I worry about the tight end here, and I think
Speaker 1: Dallas is going to treat him like a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And when I mean treat him like a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't see linebackers covering Zach Ertz. I see him.
Speaker 1: I see him being a guy that Xavier Woods is
Speaker 1: going to be. You know, we've seen Xavier Woods playing
Speaker 1: courage last year. I mean, he I don't know how
Speaker 1: in the heck they said they thought about Xerio. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's play him in the slot. You know, let's just
Speaker 1: let him be the nickel corner. And they got away
Speaker 1: with it. You know, this is a different cat though,
Speaker 1: but he's Zach's not a guy that's like your traditional
Speaker 1: big bully tied in and I talked about the bully
Speaker 1: in the and for them, I told you it's Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: But Zach's more of a like a smooth route kind
Speaker 1: of guy, kind of try and get you, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of get you with movement stuff. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: push off on you and stuff. But he's a good
Speaker 1: contested ball catcher. So even when you got him covered,
Speaker 1: he has the ability to make some plays. And that's
Speaker 1: what worries me in this game. And I talk about
Speaker 1: all the receivers and stuff, but you have to you
Speaker 1: have to cover him. You have to find a way
Speaker 1: to limit him. I'm not saying you're not gonna take
Speaker 1: this guy at the game, but you can't let him
Speaker 1: have you can't let him have seven or eight catches
Speaker 1: in this game. So previously they put Byron Jones on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is, this is gonna be wonder you
Speaker 1: would mess with your corners and say, okay, you got him. No,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown plays cornerback. No, I think this is Mickey.
Speaker 1: I do believe they're gonna they're gonna ride this thing
Speaker 1: with because we mentioned all the guys at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You know you've get you're gonna have to have You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to have two corners. I mean, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to have somebody to cover Jeffrey. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have somebody clearly covered Golden Tate, Matthews, and maybe
Speaker 1: you take your chances on the end. But I kind
Speaker 1: of saw some positive things. I think this is you
Speaker 1: got to use all your corners for the receivers, and
Speaker 1: then Zach is gonna have to be likely taken care
Speaker 1: of by Xavier Woods. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you really want jeff Heath playing a bunch of coverage
Speaker 1: in this game, but I guess I will take my
Speaker 1: chances from what I've seen from Xavier Woods last year
Speaker 1: playing as a slot corner. That's where I was going.
Speaker 1: Mick is essentially he's been a nickel corner for you
Speaker 1: before yeah, oh yeah, I know, and they did. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of how they played a lot of that
Speaker 1: single safety high with the safety down right last game
Speaker 1: against Tennessee. Right. The other thing they did against Tennessee
Speaker 1: is a lot of times when Tennessee went three wide,
Speaker 1: they stayed in their standard defense. Yeah. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they hit him at the line of scrimmage with
Speaker 1: a linebacker, yeah, and then turn them loose to a
Speaker 1: safety over the top little Yeah, it would be interesting,
Speaker 1: but they got to take care of him. You were
Speaker 1: talking about Tate Detroit eight for one, thirty two and
Speaker 1: two touchdowns against the Cowboys. Yeah, he had that one
Speaker 1: play when they were playing dime. If you remember that
Speaker 1: that Jordan Lewis went over the top of him and
Speaker 1: then he took off running on the on that play,
Speaker 1: you know, a touchdown. It's a play that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: should have tackled for probably a twelve fifteen yard game
Speaker 1: and then it turned into a big play. Fell down, yeah,
Speaker 1: brave fell yeah, Phil, Yeah, Yeah, he's no questions, he's
Speaker 1: an outstanding wide receiver. Cowboys feel like they've got an
Speaker 1: outstanding wide receiver. Maury Cooper says he's more comfortable now
Speaker 1: one game in offensively the question I have for this
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense right now, and Zeke talked about it yesterday
Speaker 1: and he pointed out what we did time and score
Speaker 1: and situation circumstance has affected the running game. In the
Speaker 1: second half. They only got four possessions. They were in
Speaker 1: a bad down a distance a lot of times, not
Speaker 1: through any fault of the running game necessarily, except for
Speaker 1: all the tackles for losses. There are a couple of those,
Speaker 1: but there are also sacks and penalties that put them
Speaker 1: way behind. I know, but there was like six tackles
Speaker 1: for losses. Well, there's where I'm going though. Okay, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about the Cowboys running game right now?
Speaker 1: Based on what you saw for a half? Was Zeke
Speaker 1: last week? And boy, I thought they were going to
Speaker 1: load that thing up and go. I really did. I
Speaker 1: think the way I always started off. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When I see when I see it, it
Speaker 1: turns into a six yard carriers seven yard carriers sit
Speaker 1: you know, when they're when they're not just banging their
Speaker 1: head at the line of scrimmage and getting one or
Speaker 1: two yards, and it looks like nobody's blocked when I
Speaker 1: always felt like that when Zeke got going early in
Speaker 1: a game, they were going to have success because they
Speaker 1: kind of figured out, Okay, we can block these guys.
Speaker 1: And I've said this, with this front here that you're
Speaker 1: about to deal with, I think it's gonna have to
Speaker 1: come on the edges. I think it's gonna have to
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to come on the Cowboys ability to
Speaker 1: block Michael Bennett and to block Brandon Graham and to
Speaker 1: block Chris Long when those guys are out there on
Speaker 1: the edge. You know, Chris Long is a guy that
Speaker 1: will gamble a little bit. He wants to rush the passer,
Speaker 1: he wants to get upfield. He's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a linear built, you know, thin built guy. I think
Speaker 1: you can try to bully him a little bit, use
Speaker 1: the word bully a lot, but that's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do in this game to win. I think,
Speaker 1: I just think that it's gonna have to come from
Speaker 1: you know, especially with their they're compromised a guard right now.
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna be compromised to guard with Connor
Speaker 1: Williams in there, having to deal with the strength perspective,
Speaker 1: but but but Helodi Nada doesn't move like like Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox will play outside the tackle box. Helodi Nada
Speaker 1: is more of a stand in there and kind of
Speaker 1: take things on guy. But I think that if you're
Speaker 1: if you're saying, okay, we're gonna try and get pushed
Speaker 1: on the inside, I just think that's a bad recipe.
Speaker 1: I watched Caroline, I watched Christian McCaffrey. I mean everything
Speaker 1: was hitting on the edge. Every every really good run
Speaker 1: that Carolina had was on the edge. I think Dallas
Speaker 1: has to look at that plan and say, okay, if
Speaker 1: we could just trap everybody inside, you know, you know
Speaker 1: the things that they've done, cowboys can do, you got
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to see I would love
Speaker 1: to see them get back to running that crack toss
Speaker 1: if you remember what we were talking, you know, get
Speaker 1: the ball in the you know, just toss the ball
Speaker 1: to Zeke. It used to be Noah Brown or or
Speaker 1: it used to be uh Terrence Williams. Yeah, yeah, steals
Speaker 1: gets somebody. But you know, if you could get you
Speaker 1: get Tyren Smith, you know around on the edge, you
Speaker 1: get the center out on a play. You know, now
Speaker 1: you're kind of talking about some good things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that Ronald Darby and if Jalen Mills plays,
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think it's a really good
Speaker 1: matchup if Jalen Mills and facts does play against h Cooper,
Speaker 1: Because if you I went back and watched the game
Speaker 1: last year where Mills played against the Raiders and Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Amari Cooper had a couple of
Speaker 1: really big plays against them. I mean he only had
Speaker 1: a couple two catches, but they were all they were
Speaker 1: two big player. I mean he had he had a
Speaker 1: sixty four yard touchdown on a on a double move
Speaker 1: on Jalen Mills. You know, I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: stuff you have to do. But running the football, to
Speaker 1: answer your question, Roub, I think is going to have
Speaker 1: to come down to blocking Michael Bennett and blocking Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham and blocking Chris Long when he's in there as well.
Speaker 1: And one reason I ask is because the historically Philly
Speaker 1: doesn't let you run. No they don't, or they try,
Speaker 1: as they're damnedest to keep you from doing it right.
Speaker 1: Assistancy right, and then it happens to be with Michael
Speaker 1: assume Malcolm Jenkins too. Malcolm Jenkins playing down in the box.
Speaker 1: I mean they try, they you know, they want him.
Speaker 1: He is a physical player down there, a lot like
Speaker 1: with you when they when you play the Giants. You
Speaker 1: have to do with Landing Collins the same kind of
Speaker 1: same kind of player. Maybe to the point of what
Speaker 1: the Redskins did with Swearingery, you know, they gotta look
Speaker 1: at that game plan. Jim Swartz has to look at
Speaker 1: the game plan that what the Washington Redskins did. Because
Speaker 1: he's got similar, similar, big inside players. You know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, if I can, if I could play
Speaker 1: the run this way, you know, maybe I could, maybe
Speaker 1: I could hold up in the secondary. But a Mark
Speaker 1: Cooper makes it a little bit different for him. Now
Speaker 1: see that, You know they Greg Manuski didn't have to
Speaker 1: deal with a Marii Cooper, right, Jim Schwartz has to
Speaker 1: deal with a Mark Cooper now. So they've only faced
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty run attempts. Is that because people
Speaker 1: just give up? I think it is. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it is because the average I figured out
Speaker 1: the average run attempts in the league at this point
Speaker 1: is two hundred and thirteen average, they've only had one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Yeah, but they're twenty fifth against the pass.
Speaker 1: So is it easier to pass against them and people
Speaker 1: just give up on the run or do people just
Speaker 1: not run against them because they're too easy to pass against.
Speaker 1: I think the passing part of it comes into play here,
Speaker 1: I really really do. I think there's you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I respect Mills and Darby, you know, I really do,
Speaker 1: but I think that there's I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, I've said, hey, the way
Speaker 1: to beat teams first down passer rating against Tennessee on
Speaker 1: first down last before the game last week was rating
Speaker 1: was one hundred and thirteen. That was your path. That
Speaker 1: was quarterbacks had a rating of one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: passing against Tennessee on first down. You know you need
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that that would have been the
Speaker 1: way to travel in that game. Well, maybe that's why
Speaker 1: they passed more on first down than they ran in
Speaker 1: the game. Then yeah, I just I just I don't
Speaker 1: know if they were successful. But yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna if you're gonna do it, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna play the trends. You gotta be successful playing the trends.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta make people like pay for it
Speaker 1: if they're if they're if they're bad, if they're bad
Speaker 1: in the secondary, you gotta make them pay for that
Speaker 1: for being bad. But I just, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that I don't think that they could give up on
Speaker 1: the run. I just don't. But I think that they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to think about it on the edge. I
Speaker 1: keep saying that because when you watch the tape, that's
Speaker 1: where people have had success, and I'm surprised more people
Speaker 1: haven't tried to do it. I forgot to send that
Speaker 1: stat to Boog too. McFarland, Yeah, what was this? What's
Speaker 1: that that they ran? They threw the ball more on
Speaker 1: first down than they ran because he was chomping at
Speaker 1: the bit about they got to quit running so much
Speaker 1: on first down they got to throw it. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what I think fans. I think fans get upset with
Speaker 1: this team and they feel that and they feel like
Speaker 1: they get in twelve and thirteen personnel and run on
Speaker 1: first down. And that was a staple of this offense
Speaker 1: for a long time because they get set second and four,
Speaker 1: second and five, you know those are good down and
Speaker 1: distances to be in. Right. So there was there was
Speaker 1: a sequence in one of Garrett's press conferences I can't remember,
Speaker 1: and it was about um throwing the ball more on
Speaker 1: first down, and then the next question was why didn't
Speaker 1: Zeke touched the ball as much? Yeah, and it's like,
Speaker 1: help me, Yeah, you need eighty plays to be able
Speaker 1: to do both right. Well, yeah, I mean, I hear you,
Speaker 1: but I mean if you if you want them to
Speaker 1: throw more, but then you want to know wisely didn't
Speaker 1: touch the ball more. I'm not comparing anything to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's in the past, but I will say a lot
Speaker 1: of times back then they would run on first end,
Speaker 1: second down and just get you into third and one yeah,
Speaker 1: two and all. They might run on third down two yeah,
Speaker 1: and then give Zeke a break for a series because
Speaker 1: that's how effective they were control on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage they were. It was a lot different way of playingful.
Speaker 1: If they could be good at one thing for this game,
Speaker 1: what would you want them to be good at offensively?
Speaker 1: If they could be if you could say cheese, I
Speaker 1: just wish they could be good at this one thing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I asked about the running game. I think
Speaker 1: they've got to be able to establish that a little
Speaker 1: bit and not get dack in this second and eight
Speaker 1: and third and seven and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: They look, it comes down to the offensive line. If
Speaker 1: they're going to have a good running game, the offensive
Speaker 1: line has to play well. If they're gonna throw the ball,
Speaker 1: the offensive line has to play well. And if they don't,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be there with seventeen points and trying
Speaker 1: to kick a field goal with five seconds left to
Speaker 1: tie the game. That's if your defense can hold on.
Speaker 1: If they can hold on, yeah, yeah, if you can
Speaker 1: withstand all the things that they can. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're saying they got to do a good job running
Speaker 1: the ball, it's not just Zeke, right, which is kind
Speaker 1: of funny because when you don't throw the ball, well,
Speaker 1: it's just the quarterback. But when you don't run the ball, well,
Speaker 1: it's not just Zeke. You know, it's a there's another reason.
Speaker 1: Why do you think there's something wrong with Zeke? Does
Speaker 1: he look as quick? I think he and you know,
Speaker 1: and you see the screen pass, yeah, I think, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good play obviously, and he's done that
Speaker 1: this season. I think he was dealing with some stuff
Speaker 1: before the time followup Mickey running the ball on the
Speaker 1: on the on the outside. I mean, I want him
Speaker 1: to run the ball. I want him to run the
Speaker 1: ball on the edge. But have we seen have we
Speaker 1: seen the breakaway runs that we've seen from him in
Speaker 1: the past. I think he had some knee and foot
Speaker 1: stuff that he was dealing with before the buy that
Speaker 1: affected him that way. Yes, I do, early, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah? Early, But I didn't notice it
Speaker 1: in this this last game. I thought he was running
Speaker 1: well until they couldn't run, until they started tackling him
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. He's seeing a difference. No,
Speaker 1: I was just asking because I don't I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the He's usually great at getting those ten twelve yard runs.
Speaker 1: You know, when he's really when he's humming along there,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's six at seven, it's eight, it's ten,
Speaker 1: it's twelve. You know, he's usually kind of you know
Speaker 1: that you get that miss, make the first guy miss,
Speaker 1: and then it's you know, he extends the run a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know. I'm just I don't I'm
Speaker 1: just questioning if I see the burst anymore. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm questioning. And if if if knee and ankle are
Speaker 1: robbing him of that, then then that's then I'll accept that.
Speaker 1: You you, you, you've been pointing out how hat not
Speaker 1: having Travis Frederick in there doesn't cut off the linebacker. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: you can burst for five or six yards, but at
Speaker 1: some point, if no one's blocking the linebacker, your your toast, right,
Speaker 1: So this whole problem then with his team, the whole
Speaker 1: the three and five record is not really it's should
Speaker 1: to be pointing at the offensive line. Well, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm asking nothing ever falls on Zeke's feet.
Speaker 1: It's always the run game. Well the past game falls
Speaker 1: on the quarterbacks feet, but it doesn't, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: else affects it. And that's what's look there, they are not.
Speaker 1: Look at the toss sweeps he had in this last game.
Speaker 1: He had a hard time getting to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a heck of a job getting
Speaker 1: four yards on some of those because there was no hole,
Speaker 1: there was nothing. But then get him out in space
Speaker 1: on the screen pass and look at him go got
Speaker 1: some good blocks out there too. Yeah, he had two
Speaker 1: guys out there blocking. It makes a difference. So you know,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you, and I've been saying it.
Speaker 1: They run better to the outside than they do up
Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah. Yeah, And you know Travis Frederick's not there.
Speaker 1: Looney's playing great, right, great for Joe Looney, but not
Speaker 1: great as Travis Frederick. Yeah. Always good to get your
Speaker 1: best player going anyway you can. Let's take our final break,
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Speaker 1: I just don't think a lot of the players. They
Speaker 1: didn't like the Cowboy players. Jason Kelsey the quote on
Speaker 1: Morning Football just now, you're a distractable player. No. I
Speaker 1: observe things, I notice things. Nothing gets buy me. Okay
Speaker 1: except that first read. Yeah, I worry about that. Hey.
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Speaker 1: T Stadium on December first. Be there when the top
Speaker 1: two football teams and the Big Twelve conference face off
Speaker 1: to become the conference champion. Bills not here, So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to mention any specific teams. We'll just see
Speaker 1: the top two teams there when it's time. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny, yeah, and it might be the top two
Speaker 1: teams playing back to back weekends. I wonder if they're
Speaker 1: both going to arrest their starters to get ready for
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Speaker 1: of AT and T Stadium. Do you think both teams
Speaker 1: will have it sewed up so the last one doesn't matter?
Speaker 1: You don't really want to lose any game though, right
Speaker 1: if you stut the top four, there's some tough games
Speaker 1: left for West Virginia. They hadn't exactly proved to be
Speaker 1: could be a little bit up and down. I love
Speaker 1: what Hogerson didn't know going for two. Do you see? Uh? Yes,
Speaker 1: make a lot of players really like the franchise, the
Speaker 1: organization and what it stands for. What do the Cowboys
Speaker 1: stand for? I think that he hates the fact that
Speaker 1: I think he hates the fact that this organization has
Speaker 1: had success for a long time. I haven't had a
Speaker 1: great great deal of Super Bowl success in the last
Speaker 1: twenty five years. But he's from Texas too, He wasn't
Speaker 1: He wasn't a Cowboy fan. He said, yeah, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they think they deserve more attention because they're the champs
Speaker 1: right now. No, whatever, it's on Sunday night football. Whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cowboys are playing right, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they have gotten their due. But the Cowboys are always
Speaker 1: in the news. I don't. I don't agree about the
Speaker 1: part he said a bandwagon fans though, No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need that because trust me, you know, and
Speaker 1: I worked in Philadelphia for a year. I saw Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans up there. I never admitted I was from Dallas
Speaker 1: because you thought somebody would, you know, do something evil
Speaker 1: to you, But I I would, you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what when I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: go on the road anymore. You guys know that. I
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I was always proud of
Speaker 1: I was seeing fans show up at the hotel and
Speaker 1: show up at the games. That part of it, that
Speaker 1: part of it I appreciate. It's not easy to go
Speaker 1: to a game at Philadelphia and be a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1: They just don't dress right. It's not it's not easy.
Speaker 1: It's not Jersey. Yeah, it's not easy to go to
Speaker 1: to go to Washington, or go to New York or
Speaker 1: go to in these places. You know, you you you really,
Speaker 1: it's it's a tough it's a tough thing to deal
Speaker 1: with and you know, I've always admired the fans that
Speaker 1: have gone and travel and live at those places, you know,
Speaker 1: and still have their fandom even though it's been a
Speaker 1: you know, it's been few and far between. When you
Speaker 1: talk about you know, playoff success and and Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: that's where I was going. I mean, they're they're they're
Speaker 1: patient and they're still hoping for that and well but
Speaker 1: they but you know, they they have their moments too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna, you know, I'm I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I just think that sometimes we're not realistic, you know.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing that I that that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I include myself in not being really realistic at
Speaker 1: times as well. Whatever players need to say within reason
Speaker 1: to pump themselves up for a game, I don't. It
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. I just think. I mean, it's it's humorous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes for headlines, right, Yeah, probably can get some ratings.
Speaker 1: I'm sure NBC's loving it absolutely all right. Uh are
Speaker 1: you loving Dez Bryant to the Saints? Yeah? Good for him.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good fit. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great fit since if you look at their numbers at
Speaker 1: the receiving Corps with Ted Ginn junior on IR. Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas leads a team with seventy catches. The next wide
Speaker 1: receiver the next highest total of catches by a wide
Speaker 1: receivers twelve, and then it's nine. Yeah, so they've been relying.
Speaker 1: You know. They are where they are because of Michael Thomas.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, some guy named Kamara. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's their second receiver, second receiver, he's their lead runner,
Speaker 1: you just name it. He does it for him. But
Speaker 1: they didn't have a second guy to throw the ball too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure Sean looked at and go, WHOA, how's
Speaker 1: this gonna hurt? You know, I can do something with Dez.
Speaker 1: I bet he can catch five passes in a game.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be his Marcus Colston. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be Remember Marcus Colston played big body guy, couldn't really
Speaker 1: run all that well. Seventh round draft pick. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean just a but a guy that was a nightmare
Speaker 1: to have to deal with him, especially in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. Had a really good career there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna be a guy. Dez is gonna
Speaker 1: play in the slot, you know, and he's gonna run
Speaker 1: routes up in the middle of the field. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna have to do anything on the outside. He's just
Speaker 1: gonna be able to work the middle field. That's where
Speaker 1: Dez is really good. Dez is good when he can.
Speaker 1: When he can, you know, turn face the quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: let the ball get to him and him and go
Speaker 1: get it, you know. And that's what Marcus Colston did.
Speaker 1: Marcus Colston was a first down machine when it can't
Speaker 1: you know, Drew Brees with you know, Drew Breese dropped back,
Speaker 1: look over the top of that rush and fit the
Speaker 1: ball right over the top of the linebackers, right in
Speaker 1: front of the safeties. And Marcus Colston take the ball,
Speaker 1: running out another five yards and get tackled right there.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what does Bryant's gonna do for this team.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a Marcus Colston player and he's gonna
Speaker 1: wear out the middle of field. I promise you that's
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. Well, he may need a GPS.
Speaker 1: What does that mean so he knows where he's going. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to run to the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. Well, remember the interception last year when he
Speaker 1: ran to the middle field, turned around, Dak threw him
Speaker 1: the ball, and just as Dak threw the ball, he
Speaker 1: took off and ended up getting tipped for an interception. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this means he's got to learn to do it. He will.
Speaker 1: I have you know what this to me? This is
Speaker 1: a good fit. You guys mentioned it. I didn't know
Speaker 1: all the numbers. I didn't know the next best guy
Speaker 1: had twelve catches. I promise you Dak Press does. Brian
Speaker 1: will get three, four or five catches a game. I
Speaker 1: think he will. I think they'll figure out ways to
Speaker 1: use him and get the ball in his hands and
Speaker 1: from run. Yeah, because no one wants to tackle him
Speaker 1: if if he indeed is in shape and ready to go,
Speaker 1: said he wanted him lose about five more pounds. So
Speaker 1: they're talking about him, but that the workout was really
Speaker 1: good from what I heard. Crawford said he was in
Speaker 1: great shape. He'd seen him two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and at the Drake concert. The Drake concert, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, the guys here were happy for him. They
Speaker 1: were I don't know if the DBS are happy. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have to cover him now. Yeah. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're excited for him, but you got to
Speaker 1: play him in three weeks. Yeah, you have bigger problems
Speaker 1: than that. That's why I say this is the last segment.
Speaker 1: You gotta focus on the Eagles right now. You better
Speaker 1: stop you better stop Kamara. He's the one thing that
Speaker 1: really makes that thing go. This ability to run the catch,
Speaker 1: you know, out of the backfield. That's hard to deal
Speaker 1: with with a back that's that special. How how how
Speaker 1: long did he last in the draft? Third round? Third round?
Speaker 1: You watch him play at Tennessee? I did. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean he now he Maybe Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara's best trade at Tennessee was his ability to finish runs.
Speaker 1: He was a physical, physical player. And then what they'd
Speaker 1: like to do, though, is they threw him with those
Speaker 1: Texas routes with you you angle out and come back
Speaker 1: to the middle and you just kind of dump it
Speaker 1: to him. Tennessee, you know, they had the quarterback that's
Speaker 1: now at Pittsburgh, and for the life of me, I's escaping.
Speaker 1: He's a kid, he's got the he's NASA educated, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a backup at Pittsburgh Steelers right now. But anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: he would just throw them the little you know, throw
Speaker 1: them those underneath routs and stuff like that, and it
Speaker 1: was incredible. I mean he'd make the catch or you're
Speaker 1: handing the ball inside, you know, on the on the
Speaker 1: option plays, and he would just he was just finishing runs.
Speaker 1: What do you think people didn't like about him? He's
Speaker 1: short because he's small. Yeah, he's short. That's that's the
Speaker 1: people were kind of thinking that he was a short
Speaker 1: and Tennessee offensively though, wasn't wasn't the most dynamic, dynamic
Speaker 1: offense to watch play. They struggled, They really, but I
Speaker 1: wish I could think I see that kid's face not
Speaker 1: Kelly right, No, can't. Are you there with me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steelers back up QUARTERBA. They have um Mason Rudolph and
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs. Josh Josh Dobbs from Tennessee. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be like an astronaut. Yeah, he's a narrow
Speaker 1: space engineer. I'm sorry. Yeah. I played a game, a
Speaker 1: couple games out of helmet, and I can't remember things
Speaker 1: like I once did. Elen Harper said that last night's right, Well,
Speaker 1: he was at We talked to him at the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a yeah, he's a short guys, but yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: By the way, Saints Cameron Meredith wide receiver is going
Speaker 1: on i R according to ESPN, so they they had
Speaker 1: a spot. Yeah for Dez. He was there. He was
Speaker 1: the third guy with catches. Yeah, just Quon Barkley. Uh
Speaker 1: oh what what's the guy's name? It was try this. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're doing great radio right now. I think Dez was
Speaker 1: waiting for this exact opportunity or to play with a
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I mean, I think Des was. I think
Speaker 1: Des is a very prideful guy, and I think Dez
Speaker 1: wanted to be in great shape, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he's you know, he started working. We started seeing the
Speaker 1: videos and stuff at him working with speed coaches and
Speaker 1: working on his routes, his footwork and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think Dez was very conscious of that. I think
Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure that that okay, you know
Speaker 1: that I'm ready to go. I'm gonna go in there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be productive. And yeah, I think and you know,
Speaker 1: talking about you know, talking about with the Sean Payton
Speaker 1: a little bit last night, well two nights ago. You know,
Speaker 1: he was very happy. I mean, he's happy about having
Speaker 1: the opportunity. He was waiting for the right opportunity as well,
Speaker 1: you know, he he. You know, that's a great thing.
Speaker 1: You could be seven and one and still trying to
Speaker 1: add players, you know, still try to add players, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think that's you know, I think that's a
Speaker 1: credit if you're you know, you're rolling along and you're
Speaker 1: not afraid, and Mickey's talking about the numbers and you've
Speaker 1: got guys going on, ir why not they brought in,
Speaker 1: you know, Brandon Marshall to work. Brandon Marshall has been
Speaker 1: with a team all year. Like it says something about
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant, but also says about Sean Payton wanting us
Speaker 1: to work. Eli Apple, Yeah right, yeah, keep He gave
Speaker 1: away a first round pick in this year's draft to
Speaker 1: go get to move up, to get a defense, to
Speaker 1: get Davenport the defensive end, right, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. If you're a good team,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep keep making moves. Even if you're a
Speaker 1: bad team, keep making moves. So just Cowboys are doing here,
Speaker 1: Yeah Philly with a GI last year, Yeah, exactly. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep making moves. You just can't sit there and
Speaker 1: let people patch you by. Well, we'll find out which
Speaker 1: bye week move paid off most for the Cowboys or
Speaker 1: Eagles on Sunday. That's it, Mick. Any parting thoughts now,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do that. We gotta go.
Speaker 1: That was trying to remember that. It's receiver's name. It's
Speaker 1: killed me. Tray Kwan Trey Kwan Smith maybe yes, from
Speaker 1: from Central Florida. He was a rookie, right, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the guy. Okay, there you go, We got that
Speaker 1: out of the way. Thanks to Kent and William for producing.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian and Mickey. As always, wasn't hit in
Speaker 1: the head. Yeah, but you're throwing stuff's not throwing stuff
Speaker 1: in studio. Well, Bill Jones back tomorrow to give our
Speaker 1: final predictions for Cowboys Eagles. See you guys tomorrow. Thanks
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