WEBVTT - The Atlanta Shooting Part 1: Purity and Violence 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.400 Welcome to it could happen here a podcast that is 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.440 today about something that did happen here and absolutely sucked. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:17.640 And with me to talk about the Atlanta shooting is Scarrison. Hello, Hi, 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:23.200 not happy to be here? Yeah, yeah, No, this is 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.480 This is not a We're not talking about a current event. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.320 This happened like what was it last year? So yeah, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.560 in case someone's listening and wondering if there was another one. No, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.280 this is specifically talking about Actually there have been a 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.120 couple of shootings in Atlanta since then, obviously there. Yes, 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:46.080 we're talking we're talking about is is from from last 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.720 year and it ties into many of the topics we 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:56.520 discussed something the show Yeah A. March sixteenth, two one, 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.600 Robert Aaron Long, a regular at Young's Asian Massage, refused 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.160 to tip after getting a massage shouty a Ton, the 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.479 SPA's owner, confronted him about the tip. Long simply walked away. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.560 He got dressed, went to the bathroom, pulled out his 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.000 gun and started shooting, leaving shout yit Ton dying on 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.720 the floor. Driving from spa to spa, Long shot nine 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.399 people and killed eight. The loan wounded survivor Alicia Fernandez 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.640 Ortiz got on his knees and begged Long not to shoot. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.080 Long shot him anyways. There's a there's a there's a tendency, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.759 when confronted with true horror, to retreat into abstraction, as 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.720 if the abstract is sheltered from the violence of the storm. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.119 I intend, if briefly, to do it myself. But there 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.039 is no safety there, only the same violence, repeated again 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.480 and again and again in a thousand ways, with a 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:53.640 thousand names, wearing a thousand faces. Because this is hell 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:59.560 and we live in it, so on onto the abstract. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.400 There's a concept in Marxism called trigger um. It's a 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.240 German word. It's usually translated as bearer, in the sense 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.760 of an individual capitalist being the bearer of capitalist social relations. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.959 They enact this relation by, you know, turning capital into 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.560 more capital, which is what makes a capitalists. Uh. There 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:23.440 is you know, literally endless debate over what this actually means. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.959 Most of it is pointless, and the meeting is contested 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:28.840 enough that I'm going to abuse it a bit further 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.880 and argue that a person can become a bearer of 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.080 historical forces larger than themselves. Robert Aaron Long was the 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.000 bearer of a great number of historical forces. He bore 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.760 the violence of capitalism, of misogyny, of racism, of horror, phobia, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.959 of whiteness, of Christianity itself, and he unleashed it into 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.519 the world. It's just like the idea of like invoking, right, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.240 drawing on these external ideas into yourself, and then becoming 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.960 them for like a brief period of time. Yeah, I mean, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.359 I think it's slightly different in that with bearing. It's 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.720 it's not so much that that you're briefly invoking them. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.359 It's that you're you're constantly a part of the relation. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.560 So the relation defines you and it and you you 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.680 sort of you constantly enacted by the things that you 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.840 do and doing, like the relation reel. It's more of 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.600 like an ever present thing that is Yeah, Yeah, it's 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.600 it's it's yeah. It's something that's just sort of structures 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.840 how the society works. Right, Like we're all sort of 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.200 like enacting the wage relation, right every time we like, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.040 do you know like doing this right now? Jobs? Yeah, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.800 we are, we are enacting the wage relation. Yeah. And 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.040 you know, I think I think a lot of people 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.320 after the shooting were left asking, you know why and 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.120 you know, we can name social and historical forces, we 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.279 can talk about sort of antiation, violence and racism and horophobia, 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.920 but what does it actually mean? And you know what, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.560 what are the forces that long and least in this world? 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.560 What do they look like? And I think I think 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.840 we have we have a good example of this from 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.800 right after Long was arrested. Police Captain J. Baker the 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.880 Cherokee Sheriff's Department UH said this to reporters at a 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:18.120 press conference. This is about Long in the shooting. He 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:19.840 was pretty much fed up and at the end of 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.040 his rope, and yesterday it was a really bad day 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.560 for him. And this is what he did. He apparently 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.240 has an issue what he considers a sex addiction, and 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.520 he sees these locations as something that allow him to 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.400 go to these places and it's a temptation for him 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.720 that he wanted to eliminate. Now, Yeah, that there there 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.599 was a lot going on in in in in those 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:44.839 like two sentences, Um, so you know Cherokee Sheriff's Department, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.240 Oh yeah, there is there is so much going like 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.560 there's somebody somebody somebody later. Yeah, it's incredible. One of 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:53.760 the things that we're going to go more into the 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.760 next episode. Is it like this, this is where I 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.200 what's his name? This is where the guy who just 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.080 like drew a random line on a map that he 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.760 found from like that he pulled out of his like 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.800 national geographic thing who divided Korea and half like this 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.960 is where he's from. There's this is yeah, there is 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.960 a there's a lot of historical violence in this very 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.800 specific part of Georgia that is all coming together here. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.480 And oh yeah, his school was also super racist, Like 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.600 there's they had a mascot that was like doing all 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.560 the racist stuff. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, And you know, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.200 before we go any further, it's worth mentioning that, like 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:40.000 almost immediately after the Honorable Police Captain gave that press conference, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:41.800 a bunch of people on the internet found out that 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.719 Baker had posted like a shirt that said uh COVID 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:51.760 nineteen and imported virus from China. I remember this? Yeah, Yeah, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:57.320 Sheriff was pretty pretty racist himself. Yeah, a part of 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:02.080 many many anti Asian tropes relating to conspiracy theories. Yeah, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.360 this is you know this, this this is classic twenties 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.680 like anti Asian rhetoric. It's you know, it's stuff that's 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.159 led directly to hundreds of attacks nation Americans since the 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.400 start of the pandemic. And you know, the race is 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.440 on slat, driven by every sector of American society. Now 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.120 people immediately start speculating that Jay Baker had collaborated with 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.599 Long to cover up the racial like motivation for his violence. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.560 And okay, I think there's some truth to this. The 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.640 cops have been collaborating with Long and his family in 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:33.920 various ways. I'm going to read a part of an 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.600 article in Vanity Fair written by the journalist Made Jong 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.760 called how the Atlantispas shooting the victims the survivors tell 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.680 a story of America, which is it's this is one 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.080 of the best things that anyone's written about the shooting 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.479 so far. I'm going to read a little bit of 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:51.320 it because it's Oh boy. I ring the bell at 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.880 the family home, no one answered. Before I could decide 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.880 what to do, a police cruiser showed up. An officer 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.200 who introduced himself as Sergeant Clement, explained that the neighbors 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.280 multiple people had called to report suspicious activity. The one 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.039 good thing about Cherokee County, he told me, is that 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.040 we look out for each other. It's like how it 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.320 used to be in the seventies. I asked Clement what 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.520 specifically the neighbors were worried about, to be honest, he said, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.840 what they are worried about is they are afraid of revenge. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.080 What is the context for the like revenge line? Yeah, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.280 I mean it was basically just they were released, like 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.400 they were terrified that like Asian people were going to 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:33.280 show up, like to this community and take revenge for 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.559 the shooting. Thought they were like attack like the church 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.840 or something. Well, no, like they thought they were gonna 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.679 show up to like the family's house and like attack 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:48.080 the neighborhood. Ah, when is when is that ever happened? Yeah? Yeah, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.200 you know, and and and you know, and you can 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.840 like what what this demonstrates a is just the kind 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.920 of community you're dealing with here. And be also, like 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.840 you just you have very obvious close connection between the 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.920 cops and like Long's family at this point. Yeah, And 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.400 I mean in terms of like the covering up, the 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.120 covering up of like the anti h violence part of it. Honestly, 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.520 I don't even know how intentional that would be, because 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.320 I don't think he even recognizes that as racism. And 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.240 I'm not sure how much the cops recognize that as 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.400 a super big part, since that they are already uh, 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.560 pretty pretty racist. I guess most Asian people, Okay, Like 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.800 I I don't even know how much they recognize that 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.000 as being like a thing that isn't normal. Yeah, but 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.800 but I think also, like I don't know it the 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.560 the the explicitness to which particularly Baker is being racist 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.120 like makes me suspect that he does that he would 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.000 have been able to figure it out because he's like, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.120 like you have to go out of your way to 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:55.240 like have a shirt that says like COVID imported from China, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.000 Like yeah, but I don't think that he would consider 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:02.360 that racist, right, Like it's so so racist that, but 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.880 but he can't even consider that. He just think it's 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.960 just like normal, right, Like he's yeah, I can see 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.840 it's like in terms of like them trying to cover 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.960 up any kind of anti Asian um stuff leading towards 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.319 the shooting, they may not see that as like as 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.840 anything to be covered up because they think that's just normal. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.680 So they're not going to like even focus on it 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.760 because they're like, yeah, I mean obviously right, Like yeah, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.120 it's just we're so far down the rabbit hole that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.360 it's hard to even like recognize it. I don't know, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.160 I'm just I'm just I'm just it makes it makes 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:40.280 sense consciousness. And I think also the other thing that's 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.520 going on here that that's I think the other part 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.560 of why they wouldn't have recognized it if they didn't 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.120 use that. Like okay, so like like most people see 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.800 this and they're you know, they kind of like analytically, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.360 they kind of throw up their hands and they're like, wow, 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.920 this is anti agent violence. They talk about like the 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.480 stuff the particular dangerous face by like Asian women and 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.200 sex workers, and they sort of call it a day, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.200 and the analysis sort of like stops there, and like 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.000 they're right, like that this is anti Asian violence. The 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.720 violence is primarily inflicted on women, and it particularly on 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.120 sex workers or and this is also very important people 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.040 who are perceived as sex workers no matter what they 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.319 actually do. And yeah, like it's got worse than the pandemic. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:23.439 But there's a very very specific kind of violence that 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.160 Long is doing here. It is and it's not it's 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.959 related to, but not identical to the sort of post 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:38.800 COVID stuff. And I think people really like did a 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.640 disservice to what happened and did it diservice to help 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.960 the people understand it by not actually poking at it, 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.600 because this shooting is at its core and evangelical shooting 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.800 like this is this is this is evangelical violences, is 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.960 Christian violence, and this is this is purity culture. And 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.920 you know, if if you want to understand what actually 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.360 happens here, you have to actually you have to go 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.839 back and you have to understand the Christianity angle be 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:05.280 because it is critical. Now. East Asia's contact with Christianity 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.800 in the last two hundred years has been broadly speaking, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.600 extremely bleak. Uh the conclusion of the First Opium War 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.240 in eighteen forty two, which Britain forced China to buy 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.559 opium to cover Britain's trade deficit with the country, and 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.680 then the Britain also stole Hong Kong and then allowed Yeah, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.520 it all also had the effect of allowing Christian missionaries 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.520 into the country, and it is genuinely unclear which one 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.240 of those acts has the highest body counts. The product 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.800 of the Christian missionaries work was the Typing Rebellion, in 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.480 which the self proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ waged a 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.720 failed war against the ruling Ching dynasty. That like, even 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.719 if even if you use like the lower estimates of 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.000 the body count, that war makes World War One with 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.680 like a minor border skirmish. It is a just incredibly 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.480 devastating war. And you know that the product of this 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.200 is there's there's famines. There's a such a bunch of 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:57.880 floods that happened at the same time, and this sends 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.679 an enormous number of immigrants and refugees fling from their 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.480 homes looking for any way to survive. And a lot 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.520 of those people find their way to the US and 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.000 they get imported by American capitalists who are, you know, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:09.839 looking for a new labor force to serve as like 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.839 a racial racial buffer between right black workers after the 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.520 Civil War. And the other thing is like it's really 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.440 hard to get to the West coast in there, Like 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.120 they don't the Panama Canal. You have to go over 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:21.880 land and it sucks and it's hard, and so they 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.560 need a labor force that they can just get to 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.960 the West coast. And it's literally easier for people to 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.800 come from China, and you know, and so they do, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.160 and it is a it is a brutal existence Chinese 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.920 workers are worked at death building the railroads, and they 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.280 you know, they struggled to carve out a life for themselves, 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.720 and they do halting lead and certain leaps and spurts, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.360 but they create communities, they build towns and temples and 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.600 cultures in the beginning of a new society. And that's 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.760 when the white working class decides they want to exterminate 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.560 them because this is this is a great country. Uh yeah. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.400 White workers, you know, immediately start blaming Chinese workers for 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.079 the low wages, and they use their workers organizations to 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.719 ethnically climb as the West. The results of this is 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.080 a series of masscres that goes on literally for decades, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.560 stretching like into the ninth like this, this, this, these 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.080 things starting like the eighteen seventies and they're still going 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.880 in like the nineteen like like in the in the 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.800 like the early nineteen hundreds. Um. And it's at this 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.680 point where Christianity gets involved. Um. I think like most 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.400 people who are listening to the show have probably heard 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.120 at least in passing with the Chinese Exclusion Act, just 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.079 this sort of like the great triumph of like the 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.480 dark alliance of racist and the white working class but 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.120 what I think is less known about is the page 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:36.199 Act of eight, which band quote lewd and immoral women 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.040 from entering the United States. And this is this is like, 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.400 this is directly targeted at Asian and Chinese women, um, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:43.920 who were seen as a threat to the sort of 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.800 racial and moral character of the white Christian American nation 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.119 because of like they're supposed to like inheritent immorality demonstrated 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.920 by the popular US demonstrated by the popular image of 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.080 all Chinese women as sex workers. And you know, I think, 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.439 like looking back on this, this is extremely recognizable that 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.160 this is literally just an anti trafficking panic, like this 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.960 whole thing. It's just it's like this this this, this 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.959 is like this is like proto this is like proto 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:16.320 q shit um. And you know, and like like there 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.680 is there is legitimately like sex trafficking going on, but 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.400 the existence of like like the fact that there is 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.880 sex trafficking gets used as this sort of like political 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.120 and racial image. It gets projected onto just like all 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.040 Asian women who get portrayed as trafficking victims and you 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.680 simultaneously be like saved but then also expelled from the 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.400 US to preserve both there in the U s's purity 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.200 and you know, like this image of Asian women is 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.520 literally never changed. You will find it today, like to 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.360 this day, people find people using like the exact same 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.200 racist projections like consciously or unconsciously to talk about Asian 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.240 immigrants and like particularly SPA workers. It's it's this like 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.880 it's it's this like incredibly toxic mix of like Christian moralism, sexism, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.640 horo phobia, and racism. And the racism element is really 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.280 important because like, okay, well this is going on, Like 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.720 prostitution is legal in California, Like you could just do 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.240 this like there, there's there's no law against it. Um, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.320 you know. It's it's so you think that like oh 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.200 hey there, you know that this sort of like Christian 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.240 panic would just be targeted against brothels, Like no, it's 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.760 it's like very specifically against Asian women. And it's you know, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.040 this is because all of this sort of like the 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.560 Christian fears about sex work is you know, and and 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.440 their horror phobia is and and still is today incredibly 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.000 deeply fused with this sort of like that this is 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.160 this is like incredibly racist like concern over the purity 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.320 of the race. Yea, and yeah, you know this this 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.000 will sound familiar to anyone who has been like paying 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.520 attention at all to any of the trafficking panics, and 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.280 if the anti trans stuff, any of just interracial dating 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.040 was only extremely recently allowed at all of like the 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:03.120 biggest Christian universities, like like they have like they yeah, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.960 not a it is it's a it's a thing. It's 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.840 a yeah, and it's and and that's and like the 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:13.520 thing about it it's it's really it's it's really close 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.520 to the surface, right, even even when they're not explicitly 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.920 just saying it, Like if you look, it's been about 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.360 two seconds looking, it's like, oh, this is what's going 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.520 on here? Huh yeah, yeah, And you know, so so 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.560 that that that's sort of that's sort of one side 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.920 of this whole thing, right, is you have this sort 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.760 of like you have this sort of like Christian like 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.560 anti trafficking panic that that creates that that like you know, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.720 it creates the sort of image of way age women 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.240 are and has a lot of effects. But the other 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.440 side of this coin is that there is a just 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.080 incredible amount of sexual violence that America has inflicted on 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.080 Asian women, like particularly through its war. Successive invasions of 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.760 the Philippines, China, Korea, and Vietnam saw American soldiers committing 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:01.120 just untold and horrific sexual of violence and Asian women 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.160 like to to the extent that like the US essentially 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.359 just inherit Japan's like mass military rape system in Korea 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:14.040 and just runs it for itself. Like there's this all 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:18.160 of all of those things came home so massively. All 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.720 the things that were normalized to oversee is just came 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.200 right back when all the souldiers came back. Yep, yep, yes, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.240 I think I canna stay next year like the and 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:33.240 this this has a like the I don't know, I 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.320 think people get the relationship between pop culture depictions and 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.080 of you know, racist despictions of people in pop culture 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.399 and the actual culture backwards. Like they don't help and 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.080 they spread it. But like you know, the the like 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.480 me love you long time ship from like Kubrick like 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.200 that that doesn't come out of nowhere. That's not just 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.520 Kubrick like that's that is that's something that was brought 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.000 home by the American racists and you know, like when 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.040 when they got back and that stuff like it's it's 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.680 not just that like the stuff is being spread by media, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.879 it's that the media is being influenced by the people 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.480 who did this stuff and then came home. It is 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.480 the full circle thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.800 even still now, there's such a such a degree of 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.520 like Asian women being like an object to possess, even 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.280 more so than like it's like even more so than 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.919 like regular women, which obviously under under like a lot 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.960 of like Pachechal stuff in the States and you know 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.760 overseas everywhere, you know, women are seen as objects to possess, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.560 but specifically there's that is so much heightened for uh 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.320 women of color and specifically like Asian women. Um that 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.560 that idea, I mean you see it everywhere, for like 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:43.280 the libertarian Asian girlfriend trope. You like, you see this 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.679 in media all the time. Um that, like the Asian 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.120 wife is something you own and it's it's a it's 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.160 very extremely pervasive. Yeah. And I think the reason why 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.680 is that, like this image gets refreshed every time of 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.920 generation comes from from a war in Asia. And you 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.840 know that that's what because because the US has been 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.560 fighting wars in Asia like forever, I mean basically since 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.520 like they've been fighting wars of Asians late Agian hundreds, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.400 and you know, like the violence of each subsect generation 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.640 just sort of refreshes this image of like Asian women 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.280 as prostitutes bodies are supposed to just be like accessible 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.480 to white men at all times. But this has a 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.400 sort of there's a kind of clash that happens here too, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.640 because like on the one hand, you have this sort 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.240 of like racial and sexual feticization, and on the other 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.040 hand you of Christian horror phobia, and this gives you 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.600 this culture where like Asian women are at once seen 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.320 as like hyperdesirable and hyper available, but are also just 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:48.720 like utterly despised for both. And this sort of like 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.280 racist pathology, this like this, like this, like this, this 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:56.240 sexual desire bixed with loathing is at just the absolute 0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:00.359 core of of the Atlantic shooting. And as if remind 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.040 us if its origin, Long carries out as massacre on 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:17.200 the fifty three anniversary of My lie and We're bad. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.080 So I think we now have enough context to like 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.800 go back to long S initial description of why he 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.320 carries out the attack, which to self describe sex addiction 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.200 is desire to quote eliminate temptation. Yeah, because I mean, 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.359 you cannot overstate the degree in which both the police, uh, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.719 the church, and the shooter himself framed this not as 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.520 an antigation thing, but as like as a as a 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.159 as something addressing his sex addiction. Um, that was the 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.720 angle he talked about it. Now, there's all of the 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.840 antiation stuff that is like right under the surface, but 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.800 it's like probably up so much of what's going on. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.800 But the thing that they were publicly talking about was 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.920 this so called sex addiction. Yeah, and and I think 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.200 this is this is you know, this is this is 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.679 a very important angle of this is we should actually 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.080 talk about what that is and because and to understand 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.160 because he just not like okay, so like the six 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.800 edition is I think like actually sort of a thing 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.120 that is a hotly debated Yeah, I don't know. I'm 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.680 not a psychiatrist, don't take advice to be. I think 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.800 it's the slightly more legit of the two things that 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.359 the of the two like fake syndrome things we're gonna 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:28.679 talk about here, but this is not what's going on 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.000 with him and you want to understand, Yeah, yeah, what's 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:33.560 going on with this? We need to go back to 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.480 enemy of the show. Purity culture. Um, friend friend of 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.320 a friend of the pod. Yeah, I'm gonna say no. 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.399 I I refused, I had I had friends, And there 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:44.679 are a couple of times and I was like, I 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:46.760 refused to call this friend of the show. Dem it 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.120 like I can't pay myself to do it, right. Joshua 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:56.560 Harris just unsubscribed so long. Like by all accounts, is 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.639 extremely religious. He's heavily involved both his church and his 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.119 high school. Like his high school. Here's a public high school, 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.679 but the public high school has like Christian athletic groups, 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.000 which is a fun thing that they let you do 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:14.000 in public schools. Um, yeah, it's great. H So you know, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.200 to get it, to get it an understanding of like 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.439 the kind of baptism we're dealing with here. Here's a 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.000 line from the church's by laws. Quote. We believe that 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:26.880 any form of sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication, homosexuality, 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.520 bisexual conduct, beast reality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, pornography, or any 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.639 attempt to change one's sex or disagreement with one's biological sex, 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.479 is sinful and offensive to God. Yep, you know, and 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.520 all of that's in the Bible. Yeah, they have you 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.840 can tell because they cite three passages not if we 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.480 say that. Well, okay, I know there is there is 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.200 beast reality, stuffy city is I think any incest is 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.119 in there. Well, I mean they keep doing this stuff. 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.760 But parts of the Bible are pro incests, parts of 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.119 Bible are Antians. Yeah, it's um. The Bible has a 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:07.880 real sticky relationship with the topic of incest um. But yes, 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.120 I'm sure they thoroughly slite all of their passages for 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:18.040 they talked about when they talk about bisexual conduct. Yeah, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.280 it's well, I mean, you know, the one that's great 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.439 is the attempting to change one's sex or disagreement with 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.400 one's biological sex, a thing that I I'm guessing they're 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.280 citing God created males and females and males and females. 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.640 He created them, and I don't actually think so because 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:38.040 they're not. They didn't. Okay, Yeah, this this is me. 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.080 I'm just I'm just speculating based on my experience in 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.280 these in these types of types of groups. Yeah. So 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.520 so speaking of these types of groups, so Long is like, Okay, 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:55.600 so Long's church like expels him after the the shooting 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.479 the murders. Yeah, but Okay. It's interesting because, like I'm 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.479 they violated their own by laws because there's no way 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.760 they could have done their expulsion through actual explosion protocol 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.359 and that amount of time, because they would have acted 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.159 like send people to visit him in jail. See, I 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.480 think you're overestimating the degree to which churches care about 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.000 what their by laws actually say. Well, I mean it's 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.360 the blanking on it. What's the thing, Matt Matt eighteen. 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.800 There's like the thing that churches have that's like their 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:25.280 explosion protocol and they like send someone to this. This 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.959 is I think you're I think you're slightly overestimating how 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.760 much people actually care about that which it's all just 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.000 a racket used to prop up the authority of the 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.119 leaders and push people towards whatever political gains that the 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.840 movement has. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, see speaking of getting 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.120 people to submit to the authority and polue against the movements. Yeah. 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.919 So we've talked about purity culture on this show, like 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.399 we had um. So we're not going to go into 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.400 an enormous amount of detail about it here. The very 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:57.680 should at least describe what it is. So the very 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.640 very very short version is it's like it's an incredibly patriarchal, 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.080 like Evangelical Christian religious system in which like sex before 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.240 marriage is seen as like an incredible sin, and there's 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.560 just like like focused on like the purity of the wife, 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:13.000 and like like a woman is essentially the property of 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.000 her husband, and the entire goal of for existence just 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.720 to like bare and raised children. So it was it 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:20.720 was invented, but it was the modern version. It was 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.080 invented in the nineties, strongly influenced by a book written 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.840 by someone named Joshua Harris. It was called I Kissed 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.360 Dating Goodbye. The book promotes a pro courtship to marriage 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.720 pipeline instead of dating sitting dating will probably encourage you 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.200 to have sex before marriage, which is of course bad um. 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.440 And under under all of this, under like the actual 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.080 like you know, if you if you if you started 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.040 digging into this, all the stuff it talks about in 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.479 terms of like sexual purity um is about you know, 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:54.560 women are responsible for men's sexual like um sins, right, 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.480 Like if if a man lasts for a woman, that's 0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.879 the woman's fault, not the man's fault. Right, It's because 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.119 women must be presenting in a way that causes that 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:06.399 to happen. Um. Right, So women's women's bodies and clothes 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.160 should be designed in a way so that it will 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:12.280 not cause men to stumble. Um. And by stumble they 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.080 mean get horny. Um. And you know it's something that 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:17.960 you know, your your body is both this thing that 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:19.879 should be pure, but also you should be ashamed of it, 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.119 right because it causes the sin Uh, women can't really 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.600 have any sexual desire on their own. Women are going 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.680 to really enjoy sex. Um. It's it's specifically for men, 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:33.360 and it's for procreation. Um. It's in in in intense 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:38.240 value tied to your idea of like virginity and virginity 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:41.679 extending out to like personal purity and spiritual purity. Like 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.600 if you have sex before marriage, you are like like unclean. 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.960 It's it's like it's like your it's like your chewed 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.840 up gum, Like you like you would not pick up 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.320 someone's Like if you found some chewed up gum on 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:54.919 the street, you wouldn't put it back in your mouth. Right, 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.560 So that's the idea, like if you if if you're 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.600 not a virgin, you are you are like chewed up gum, 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:04.000 like you are already used your spent um. So you have, 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.679 so you save save for marriage so that only your 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.080 husband can chew up your gum, and then after your 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.320 marriage you're just stuck there forever. Right. It's also like 0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:15.800 very very very anti divorce. Um. And there's really no difference, 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:20.879 like there's they don't really there's not much discussion around consent. 0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.600 Oddly enough, you know, as you know that they surprise 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.280 you based on what I all just said, like obviously 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.320 they don't care about consent. Um. There's like they view 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.800 any they view a sexual assault just as bad as 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:38.000 consensual sex before marriage. They see them as the same thing. Um. 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.560 It's it's basically the it's the same structures that they're 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.080 both in equal sin uh And I mean that is 0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.399 that is purity culture one oh one. We could we 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.639 could just do an entire episode on purity culture and 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:53.840 we probably would do. We could do like yeah, like yeah, yeah, 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.000 I think the really important thing about it is like 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.639 this is basically like in terms of they're sort of 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.119 being like like I don't know what if you call 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.600 it a counterculture, but they're sort of being like an 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.280 evangelical cultural machine, Like it's this like this is this 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.080 is what they're pushing. Is like as like their mass 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.520 movement for for youth expect especially in the nineties and 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.280 two thousand's, we have we have stuff like purity rings, 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.640 which is like you know, when you when you're a teen, 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.600 you'll get like objects or jewelry which are like like 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.160 almost like magical items you put on to like show 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.640 that I am going to keep myself pure and by 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.800 doing this, by doing this action, it's symbolizing that and 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:35.240 therefore internalizing it. There's also um purity balls, which is 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.360 not what you'll so when when you use the word 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.800 purity ball, certain things will come to mind, right UM. 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:46.040 Unfortunately they're not as fun as what's what you are thinking. UM. 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.080 A purity ball is just like a formal dance event, 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.760 you know, like a ball that you put on um, 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.320 which is meant to. It's a it's a meant to. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.040 Usually it's like fathers take their daughters there and then 0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:02.320 their daughters swear to make a ginity pledge um to 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.880 protect their purity of mind, body and spirit UM, so 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.400 that they will not then infect you know boys, uh 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:13.640 and cause them to stumble and and commit the sin 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.440 of lust, which again is an incredibly weird thing to 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.320 do at a ball like it. It's so weird. We 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:27.760 also yeah, it's ye most most Yeah, it's well, I 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.200 think I think we've got into enough of that. Yeah, 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.600 but the specific sort of thing, I think the last 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.120 thing I will look at. There there there is one 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:40.280 more thing were But so before that, I do want 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.400 to point out that Joshua Harris, who like is in 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.000 a lot of ways responsible, like single handedly responsible for 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.720 an enormous amount of this, she is Japanese. And uh, yeah, 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.080 fucking thanks for that one, buddy, great job, good ship man. 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:59.200 In he announced that he and his wife were divorcing. Yeah, 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:03.240 so you and and and now and now no longer 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.520 considers himself like the type of Christian he was before. 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.400 I'm I'm unclear what his actual spiritual beliefs at the moment, 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.000 but he did he did try to distance himself from 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.720 his from from what I've read, like, it's unclear that 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:21.920 he knows. So oh he he knows. He definitely knows. 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.000 I can, I can, I can. I can guarantee that 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.640 he's he's used to be running. He has a new grift. 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:31.760 Now it sucks, they always get new grifts. But actually 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.360 when we will, yeah, we will get into the new 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:37.160 grift industry in the seconds. Um. But yeah, one of 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.000 the other things that's that's a big part of this 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.520 is like a deep and abiding hatred of porn. Like 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.800 all of this is yeah, like as you said, like 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.920 in the list of by laws watching porn again, it's 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.480 the same as sexual assaults. Yeah, it's it's morally the 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.640 same level of sin. Yeah. And and like you know, 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.560 I mean and and you can read that both ways 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.560 as how seriously they take watching porn and how seriously 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.800 I take sexual assault because it does go it does 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.200 go both ways. Yeah. Um. And this this thing, the 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.200 fact that that this is this is like considered a 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.680 sin is the apotheosis like the apothiosis that this is 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:18.560 is poor an addiction, which again like not really dubious existence. 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.080 This is this is this is even more dubious and 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.320 sex than sex addiction. Like there's no there, this is 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.000 this is like this is just fake. Um. But there's 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.560 an entire culture that's that's a like developed around stopping 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.640 manifest seeing poor and these like there's like these incredibly 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.400 elaborate accountability setups where like there's like apps you install 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.480 on your stuff, like the ways to alter your IP 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.560 addressed to certain sites. Yeah, Robert Aaron Long the shooter, 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.320 like he he uses a flip phone instead of a 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.360 smartphone because he thinks having a phone will like lead 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.680 in presentation. Um now Long. Yeah. And it's the product 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.160 of this is that there's like, there's like this entire 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.520 industry that is built up around quote unquote treating the 0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:01.200 porn addiction. Yeah. Um, and it's it's all bullshit. But 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.760 Long had spent at twice been in one of these 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.800 facilities called hope Quest. Now, hope Quest is an affiliated 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:11.480 for old friends that focus in the family. But that 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.160 that's not actually the part I want to talk about, 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.120 because what's more interesting about hope Quest is that it's 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.840 founded by roy A. Blankenship, a former ex gay who 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.880 left both hope Quests and the X gay community to 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.080 live with his husbands. Now fun Now this what a 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.480 what a what what what a what a funny pattern 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.280 we keep finding out? Yeah? No, Now, I think I 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.239 think my two listeners, if you were, if you were 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.120 not as cursed as as as we are as we 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.000 are and you don't know what it ex gay is, um, 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.600 X gays were. There are this movements of like Evangelical Gaze, 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.200 who claimed that like this, this is the thing that 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.320 starts in like the ninetcent two thousands, they claimed that 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.400 like they've gone to conversion therapy and it made them 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.080 not gay. Yeah yeah, and and this and you know, 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.680 and in partial part of partial was going on here 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.040 is they claim that that like they did it voluntarily 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.720 because like involuntarily doing conversion therapy had gotten to a 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.120 point where it was like bad pr wise, because Jesus Christ, 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.760 you were like nturing children and they're still torturing children, 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.560 but but this time they're like, no, it's voluntary, and 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.600 that this is like the big this is the rights 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.280 big cultural campaign against the gay right foods in two thousands, 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.520 and uh, like I I would say this, like it's 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.120 it's not exactly the same thing as the way they 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.840 use detensitioners, but like there's a lot of it's very similar. 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.680 And of course obviously that we now have the x 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.480 X gay movement yeah yeah, and and you know, and 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.440 and and to to like so okay, so like the 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:31.040 X gay movement falls apart in like the late two 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.440 thousands and nearly dozen tents because like it doesn't work. 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.560 The leaders, all the leaders were initially gay. He said 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.720 they were X gay and then kept having gay sex 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:43.040 because that rules. Yeah, and they all kind of realized, 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.000 maybe we should stop doing this thing that keeps killing kids. Yeah, 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:49.640 and Blaken Blankenship to his credit, like he'd been a 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.320 big person doing this and then he was just like 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.120 like one of his friends like suicide and he's like, 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:56.680 oh shit, and so like he stops and he like 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.520 he's announce in version therapy and he's now appropriate. So 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.440 many of the focus on the family people who were 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.080 involved in like love one out all of these escay programs. 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:11.440 So many of them then renounced it, accepted their their gayness, 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.480 and then moved to Portland's fucking Oregon. So many of 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:19.239 them didn't though like this, this is what's interesting about this, 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.240 so okay. So so while he was sort of figuring 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.880 this out, blankets Ship had a founded hope quest, right, 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.600 And so he leaves with the people who are running 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.719 it now like our X gays, who they're like the 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.880 only X gays left who didn't renounce it and who 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.840 like still claimed to be X. I mean, they they've 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.520 taken their stuff about how like homosexuality should be like 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.920 dealt with by saying by having by marrying women and 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.120 just not acting on it or whatever, like they they 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.080 took thatself out of their bios, but they apparently they 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.200 still believe it, like like they they've never they've never 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.200 these people have never probably come out against it. And 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.239 you know what essentially happened was that like enough of 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.839 enough of the ex gays like that, the collapse enough 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.200 that like they had to find and they had to 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:03.359 find a new thing to do. And the new thing 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.319 they found to do was they went and they went 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:09.839 into the porn addiction treatment industry. Yeah, and also if 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.880 if if you want more background like the X gay thing, 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.640 you can listen to the my my two part are 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.040 on Focus on the Family and James Dobson for Behind 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.280 the Bastards. Also for our week on the War on transpeople, 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:23.759 we discussed some of the same stuff for the first episode, 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:29.279 which is the evangelical gay marriage um like thing that 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.120 so yeah, we we we have we do we we 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.359 do have we do have something like produced scripted stuff 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.280 on these topics if you want more background on them. Yeah, Unfortunately, 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.000 this is a this is a story where there's like 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.320 every single thread you've ever done suddenly is coming together 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:55.919 in one moment of horrific violence. This is where Long 0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.239 like winds up for treatments for like or and sex 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:03.279 addiction addictions, which I kind of emphasize enough. This is 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.760 literally what he's talking about is literally that he watches 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.759 porn like like that that's what porn sex addiction like means. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.040 And because none of this is real, the treatments like 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.160 don't work because again it's all fake. And I do 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:19.600 would also say hope quest Is operates out of Georgia. 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:25.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, so so so. 0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.400 So he goes into treatment twice and he's he's he 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.799 says it like Maverick, which is dislike recovery center. Um, 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.479 it doesn't work. And he goes home and his parents 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.920 kick him out of his house for watching porn. And 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.320 you know, and I think this is something that like 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.080 is important to understand, which is that the people inside 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.520 of this world really deeply believe this stuff, right and 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.960 and like watching porn has real social consequences for them, 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.840 and it has you know, and this, this has, this 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.440 has has has like a profound affect on how these 0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.880 people think. I'm going to read a quote from watching 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:05.000 post article Bayliss, who was Long's roommate at Maverick Recovery, 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.960 a sober living facility in Roswell, Georgia, in two thousand, 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.600 nineteen and two, and the months between his stay at 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.000 Hope stays at Hope, Quest said Long felt his very 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.080 salvation was at stake, as he told his roommate that 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.600 he was quote living in sin and not walking in 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:25.560 the light. He was walking in darkness. So this this 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.880 is how these people like see this stuff right, like 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.520 like this is this is literally about whether you're you're 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:37.000 like yeah, they're they're talking about like something extremely existential 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.680 like it like it is. This all seems very silly 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.320 to people who are not inside it because it is 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.600 it's it is. It is absurd. But if the people 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.680 involved in it, it is like the totality of the universe, 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.480 like it is, it is so big. It's like the 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.640 biggest thing. It's so important because you're you're determining what you're, 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.160 what you will, what's your conscious being will exist for 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:01.800 if for thou the thousands of ears like that, like 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.440 this is what they actually believe, So it's super important, 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.560 Like it's it is it is worth killing before because 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.520 that's that's how important this is. Like like I think, 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:12.960 I think there's no sense to which it is more 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.439 important than life or death because you dying, like, okay, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.680 you die, once you go to physical death doesn't matter. 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:24.160 It doesn't matter. Yeah, and and this, you know, and 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:26.040 you know, we talked about this, like it's there. There's 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.920 those things. There's there's a social consequences. You can get 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.279 kicked out of your house. You can kicked out of 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.040 your church if you keep doing this, like like these 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:36.120 churches will kick you out. Um and and this, you know, 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.520 this makes the ideology at work here incredibly powerful, and 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.200 it provides a mixture of this like this, this really 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.200 incredible self hatred for like falling into sin and giving 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.080 him too temptation, and it also creates a hat of 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.600 the temptation itself. And this brings us all the way 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.840 up to the shooting. Purity culture. Purity culture is the 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.160 key that onlocks, you know, the meeting of Long's words, 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.640 we can under stand the explanation that the police gave, 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.120 which again, like he apparently has an issue what he 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.279 considers a sex addiction and sees these locations as something 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:09.960 that allows him to go to these places, and it's 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.480 a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate, you know, 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:18.279 And there there was a at the memorial for for 0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.560 the shooting last year. UM sex worker organizer Kail and 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.719 Jong said this, they hate us so they can hate 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:31.000 themselves less. And I think that's that's a really great Yeah, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.600 that is a really good analysis. Yes, yeah, it's a 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.800 perfect calculation of like what's happening here. But this is 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:43.239 the part of the story with the media just violently 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.800 and spectacularly fox up to adapt. They they dropped the 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.399 purity ball. You might say, yeah, I mean it's it's 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:54.480 it's really horrible there, Like, what they've essentially done is 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.799 an act two years of racist violence against people who 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.279 had either literally just survived a mass shooting or who 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.520 are literally dead. And the way they do this is 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.800 the press reads long talking about sex edition addiction, and 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.040 they immediately assumed that the women in these massage parlors 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.200 have been having sex with them, and they start there's 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:12.600 like this whole hunt that they do to like search 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.080 for evidence that massage workers were doing like full service 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.320 sex work, based off of again the words of a 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.600 literal racist mass murderer and their own racist preconception that 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.440 like all Asian women especially SPA workers are also sex workers. 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:28.200 And like, you know, on the one hand, yeah, it's 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.160 true that this stuff is fueled by horror phobia, and 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:32.279 also like morally, who gives a ship what they were doing. 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.600 But the immediate problem here is that by doing this 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.560 witch hunt, you were seeking the police on the survivor 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.160 you're putting you're putting a survivors in immense legal and 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.120 physical danger. Yeah, and and we we will talk about 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:48.120 this more next episode. But like, these women have already 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.200 seen more police violence and police raids than all of 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.160 the journalists writing about this combined I've seen in their 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.600 entire lives. And if any of these people had bothered 0:40:55.880 --> 0:41:00.239 to spend five seconds thinking about what purity culture is, 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.360 they would have realized it long is from a fanatically 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:07.400 puritanical culture, a culture where, for example, in massage given 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.680 by a woman where the man is like almost entirely naked, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.040 uh is something that would absolutely have been considered a 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:20.800 sexual service. And like you know, and and if you 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.160 think about this again for like five seconds, right when 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:29.440 he's talking about removing temptation, he already thinks of all 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.680 of these women as sex workers, because that's that's what 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.000 he thinks the massage is he thinks like that that 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.399 that that's that's how he thinks about massages. It's yeah, 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.520 it is it women are the like women do this, 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.920 then they caused men to sin, right, it's not it 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.120 has nothing to do with what's going on with the man. 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.680 It is specifically what the woman is doing. Yeah. Well, 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.600 and and and even then like it doesn't actually like 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.440 I think I think that the important distinction here is 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.520 that it does not matter when Long talks about how 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.440 this is a place that was giving into station and 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:02.920 also like like he was giving inemptation and he was 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.239 like he was going there for his sex addition, Like 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.399 it doesn't actually matter to him whether or not any 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.560 of these women have ever like exchange money exact at all. 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:16.239 It doesn't. It doesn't it doesn't need to be, Yeah, 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:20.360 because these people are fucking like it just engulfed in 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:25.360 like it's so totally engulfed in this incredibly like violence 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.719 and racist and misogynists homophobic ideology that it just sort 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.759 of you know, like that that's just how they think. 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.800 And I think that this is where we're going to 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.400 return one final time in this episode to race, because 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.080 there's a mistake that people make thinking about this analytically 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.960 that prevents him from understanding both what's happening in Atlanta 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.800 and how sort of capitalists and racist violence happens everywhere. 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:51.399 Which is that like, okay, so right when this happened, um, 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.360 like when when the when the press conference dropped, you 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:55.600 got all that there are a lot of people like 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.880 I think Glenn Greenwalld did this thing leef fang, Like 0:42:58.320 --> 0:42:59.840 there's a whole crew of people who were like, this 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.279 isn't about Asian racism at all. This is about him 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:09.040 like hating sex workers. And okay, it is true that 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.560 human labor has been transformed into a commodity that can 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:15.239 be bought and sold at will. Now on on a 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:20.000 on a more theoretical level, right, you will see sort 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.640 of incredibly theory brain people who will talk about how 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.279 you know, in in March's Critique of Political economy, right, 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.839 all labor is astracting, interchangeable. Each unit of labor time 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:34.319 is equivalent, identical, and exchangeable. But here in the massage parlor, 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.480 this is a deadly simplification this labor. That the labor 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:39.799 that is going on here is Asian. It is indelibly 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.719 stamped with race and ethnicity and nationality and hundreds of 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:48.000 years of violence and perception. Um Rumors Paca, a assistant 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.560 professor at the Institute of Women's Studies at the University 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.880 of Georgia. Rohod a piece last year called white supremacy 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.520 in the wellness industry or why it matters that that 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.400 this happened at a spa um and I'm going to 0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:03.560 read a passage moment because it's very good. Massage spas, 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.440 also called salons or parlors like the one where these 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.920 crimes took place, are part of a broader industrial complex 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.520 that capitalizes on the racist belief that Asian people and 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:17.080 Asian woman in particular, possess magical, spiritual, and sexual healing abilities. 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.840 These attitudes belong to an entrenched Orientalist infrastructure in the 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:26.600 United States that connects yoga and meditation and massage to tourism, pleasure, 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.759 and escape. Signaled by the exotic tropical flower and the 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:34.719 photo above and there's a photo of flower at a parlor. Yeah, 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.520 you know. And and this this labor, the labor of 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:44.720 of of the massage that's happening here is it depends 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:48.000 almost entirely on a very specific performance of a specific 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.439 kind of Asian femininity. And you know when this sort 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.160 of gender and racialized violence, but when when this gender 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.160 and racialized labor comes into contact with Long and all 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.920 of the sort of historical forces that he's bearing, Humbird 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:10.000 is the workers, And yeah, I think, yeah, this is 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:11.880 the part of the story of the Lanta shooting that 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:16.560 I think if people know about Atlanta shooting at all, like, 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.279 this is the part they know about, right, they know 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.560 the story of Robert Aaron Long. But there are other 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.480 stories here, stories that aren't stories that in large part 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.239 are just not about the US at all. Um. There 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.759 are the stories of the victims, the survivors, and the 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.239 absolute hell that brought them into the massage parlor in 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.319 the first place on the horrific night. And those are 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:41.120 the stories that we're gonna tell in part two. Yeah, 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.560 well that doesn't for us today. I do want to say, 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.600 I know, uh, I know Christmas planning these for the 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:52.680 anniversary of the shooting, but they proved to be quite 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.960 the daunting task to put together. I had to get 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.960 I had to get pushed back for a while. So 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.319 but but big thanks to you are doing the work too. 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.440 Read through all of the horrible things, and if, like 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:08.160 the other thing I said about this, like if if 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.799 you think this is bad, wait till part two, which 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:16.400 is even more wide spanning and has horrific and disturbing 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.760 violence in a way that will I don't know, reduced 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.560 media tears multiple times. And yeah, we'll leave you an 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:27.440 existential dread of the condition of this world. Yeah, And 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.680 I guess again there there is there There is ways 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.759 to combat it, right, because all of these a lot 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.520 of these things, all right, you know, problems with like 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.720 viewpoint and ideas in terms of how we view sex, 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.120 how we view women, how we view race, um. And 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.880 there are things that when you see you can interrogate 0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:50.760 in people, um, especially if you're especially if you're a Christian, 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.040 if you're if you're going to church. These there are 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.200 things to watch out for and you can push back 0:46:55.280 --> 0:47:00.280 on because it's and doing so can maybe save people's lives, 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.880 because these ideas have a death count. Yeah, and I 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:08.120 think I think there's another part of this too, which 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.680 is that you know, I mean, the reason we talk 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.799 about purity culture stuff so much, the reason we talk 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.640 about the mobilizations of the evangelical rights so much, is 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.719 that they keep producing these movements that you know, that 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.880 that put that put our lives in danger. And the 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.239 only way that we can stop this, and this is 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.719 a thing that we can do, is you have to 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.640 actually destroy their movement, right you have you have to 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.600 you have to actually break their power. You have to 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.480 you know, you have to find various ways to break 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.960 the power, break the power of these churches, and you 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.400 have to find ways to break the power of their 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.880 political movements. And that is not an easy task. But 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.759 if if we want to live in a world well, 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.000 I mean, just point blank, if if we want to 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.120 live in a world and not in you know, like 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:59.360 four degrees fahrenheit, like unlivable death scape, like, we have 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.560 to deal with these people because they are the source 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.680 of almost every right wing movement that that we're facing, 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:10.799 and they have to be crushed before they do this again. Yeah, 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.160 and they're they're going to try. I mean, there's yeah. 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:18.120 Because the biggest thing would would say is like reaching 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.839 out to people who you know are indus or if 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.520 you if you go to church, I think it's your 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:27.239 duty as a Christian to push back on these things 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:31.960 because I'm not gonna bash anyone specifically for whatever religion 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.759 they have I understand why people have this. I I 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:38.200 can see how they work. Um. You know, I was 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.759 raised in something very similar. Um. But you can you 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.000 can still push back on the type of rhetoric that 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.480 leads to these things, in the type of like like 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:53.840 objectification and racism that necessitates violence and gets people to 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.640 be okay with violence, um, and pushing back against like 0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:01.799 a Christian apocalyptic worldviews, and like the idea your your 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:07.360 actions will determine your you know how, the spiritual quality 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.200 of your soul and where it's going to reside for 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:12.320 all of eternity. Right. All these things are our ideas 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:17.120 that are pretty pretty like innately dangerous. Um. And there's 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:24.200 ways to do religion that don't have that. Yeah. 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