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Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast that is

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Speaker 1: today about something that did happen here and absolutely sucked.

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Speaker 1: And with me to talk about the Atlanta shooting is Scarrison. Hello, Hi,

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Speaker 1: not happy to be here? Yeah, yeah, No, this is

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Speaker 1: This is not a We're not talking about a current event.

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Speaker 1: This happened like what was it last year? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: in case someone's listening and wondering if there was another one. No,

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Speaker 1: this is specifically talking about Actually there have been a

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Speaker 1: couple of shootings in Atlanta since then, obviously there. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're talking we're talking about is is from from last

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Speaker 1: year and it ties into many of the topics we

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Speaker 1: discussed something the show Yeah A. March sixteenth, two one,

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Speaker 1: Robert Aaron Long, a regular at Young's Asian Massage, refused

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Speaker 1: SPA's owner, confronted him about the tip. Long simply walked away.

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Speaker 1: He got dressed, went to the bathroom, pulled out his

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Speaker 1: the floor. Driving from spa to spa, Long shot nine

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Speaker 1: people and killed eight. The loan wounded survivor Alicia Fernandez

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Speaker 1: Ortiz got on his knees and begged Long not to shoot.

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Speaker 1: Long shot him anyways. There's a there's a there's a tendency,

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Speaker 1: when confronted with true horror, to retreat into abstraction, as

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Speaker 1: if the abstract is sheltered from the violence of the storm.

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Speaker 1: I intend, if briefly, to do it myself. But there

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Speaker 1: is no safety there, only the same violence, repeated again

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Speaker 1: and again and again in a thousand ways, with a

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Speaker 1: thousand names, wearing a thousand faces. Because this is hell

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Speaker 1: and we live in it, so on onto the abstract.

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Speaker 1: There's a concept in Marxism called trigger um. It's a

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Speaker 1: German word. It's usually translated as bearer, in the sense

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Speaker 1: of an individual capitalist being the bearer of capitalist social relations.

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Speaker 1: They enact this relation by, you know, turning capital into

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Speaker 1: more capital, which is what makes a capitalists. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: is you know, literally endless debate over what this actually means.

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Speaker 1: Most of it is pointless, and the meeting is contested

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Speaker 1: enough that I'm going to abuse it a bit further

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Speaker 1: and argue that a person can become a bearer of

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Speaker 1: historical forces larger than themselves. Robert Aaron Long was the

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Speaker 1: bearer of a great number of historical forces. He bore

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Speaker 1: the violence of capitalism, of misogyny, of racism, of horror, phobia,

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Speaker 1: of whiteness, of Christianity itself, and he unleashed it into

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Speaker 1: the world. It's just like the idea of like invoking, right,

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Speaker 1: drawing on these external ideas into yourself, and then becoming

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Speaker 1: them for like a brief period of time. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's slightly different in that with bearing. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not so much that that you're briefly invoking them.

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Speaker 1: It's that you're you're constantly a part of the relation.

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Speaker 1: So the relation defines you and it and you you

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Speaker 1: sort of you constantly enacted by the things that you

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Speaker 1: do and doing, like the relation reel. It's more of

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Speaker 1: like an ever present thing that is Yeah, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's yeah. It's something that's just sort of structures

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Speaker 1: how the society works. Right, Like we're all sort of

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Speaker 1: like enacting the wage relation, right every time we like,

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Speaker 1: do you know like doing this right now? Jobs? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are, we are enacting the wage relation. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: can talk about sort of antiation, violence and racism and horophobia,

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Speaker 1: what are the forces that long and least in this world?

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Speaker 1: What do they look like? And I think I think

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Speaker 1: right after Long was arrested. Police Captain J. Baker the

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, his school was also super racist, Like

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Speaker 1: almost immediately after the Honorable Police Captain gave that press conference,

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Speaker 1: led directly to hundreds of attacks nation Americans since the

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Speaker 1: people immediately start speculating that Jay Baker had collaborated with

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Speaker 1: Long to cover up the racial like motivation for his violence.

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Speaker 1: And okay, I think there's some truth to this. The

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Speaker 1: cops have been collaborating with Long and his family in

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Speaker 1: various ways. I'm going to read a part of an

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Speaker 1: a story of America, which is it's this is one

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Speaker 1: the the explicitness to which particularly Baker is being racist

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Speaker 1: and that amount of time, because they would have acted

430
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: like send people to visit him in jail. See, I

431
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: think you're overestimating the degree to which churches care about

432
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: what their by laws actually say. Well, I mean it's

433
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: the blanking on it. What's the thing, Matt Matt eighteen.

434
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: There's like the thing that churches have that's like their

435
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: explosion protocol and they like send someone to this. This

436
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 1: is I think you're I think you're slightly overestimating how

437
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: much people actually care about that which it's all just

438
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: a racket used to prop up the authority of the

439
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: leaders and push people towards whatever political gains that the

440
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: movement has. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, see speaking of getting

441
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: people to submit to the authority and polue against the movements. Yeah.

442
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: So we've talked about purity culture on this show, like

443
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: we had um. So we're not going to go into

444
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of detail about it here. The very

445
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: should at least describe what it is. So the very

446
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: very very short version is it's like it's an incredibly patriarchal,

447
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: like Evangelical Christian religious system in which like sex before

448
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: marriage is seen as like an incredible sin, and there's

449
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: just like like focused on like the purity of the wife,

450
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: and like like a woman is essentially the property of

451
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: her husband, and the entire goal of for existence just

452
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: to like bare and raised children. So it was it

453
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: was invented, but it was the modern version. It was

454
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: invented in the nineties, strongly influenced by a book written

455
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: by someone named Joshua Harris. It was called I Kissed

456
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: Dating Goodbye. The book promotes a pro courtship to marriage

457
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: pipeline instead of dating sitting dating will probably encourage you

458
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: to have sex before marriage, which is of course bad um.

459
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: And under under all of this, under like the actual

460
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: like you know, if you if you if you started

461
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: digging into this, all the stuff it talks about in

462
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: terms of like sexual purity um is about you know,

463
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: women are responsible for men's sexual like um sins, right,

464
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: Like if if a man lasts for a woman, that's

465
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: the woman's fault, not the man's fault. Right, It's because

466
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: women must be presenting in a way that causes that

467
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: to happen. Um. Right, So women's women's bodies and clothes

468
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: should be designed in a way so that it will

469
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: not cause men to stumble. Um. And by stumble they

470
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: mean get horny. Um. And you know it's something that

471
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, your your body is both this thing that

472
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: should be pure, but also you should be ashamed of it,

473
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: right because it causes the sin Uh, women can't really

474
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: have any sexual desire on their own. Women are going

475
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: to really enjoy sex. Um. It's it's specifically for men,

476
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: and it's for procreation. Um. It's in in in intense

477
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: value tied to your idea of like virginity and virginity

478
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: extending out to like personal purity and spiritual purity. Like

479
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: if you have sex before marriage, you are like like unclean.

480
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like your it's like your chewed

481
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: up gum, Like you like you would not pick up

482
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: someone's Like if you found some chewed up gum on

483
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: the street, you wouldn't put it back in your mouth. Right,

484
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: So that's the idea, like if you if if you're

485
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: not a virgin, you are you are like chewed up gum,

486
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: like you are already used your spent um. So you have,

487
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: so you save save for marriage so that only your

488
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: husband can chew up your gum, and then after your

489
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: marriage you're just stuck there forever. Right. It's also like

490
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: very very very anti divorce. Um. And there's really no difference,

491
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: like there's they don't really there's not much discussion around consent.

492
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, you know, as you know that they surprise

493
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: you based on what I all just said, like obviously

494
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: they don't care about consent. Um. There's like they view

495
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: any they view a sexual assault just as bad as

496
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: consensual sex before marriage. They see them as the same thing. Um.

497
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: It's it's basically the it's the same structures that they're

498
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: both in equal sin uh And I mean that is

499
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: that is purity culture one oh one. We could we

500
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: could just do an entire episode on purity culture and

501
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: we probably would do. We could do like yeah, like yeah, yeah,

502
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I think the really important thing about it is like

503
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: this is basically like in terms of they're sort of

504
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: being like like I don't know what if you call

505
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: it a counterculture, but they're sort of being like an

506
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: evangelical cultural machine, Like it's this like this is this

507
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: is what they're pushing. Is like as like their mass

508
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: movement for for youth expect especially in the nineties and

509
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: two thousand's, we have we have stuff like purity rings,

510
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: which is like you know, when you when you're a teen,

511
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: you'll get like objects or jewelry which are like like

512
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: almost like magical items you put on to like show

513
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: that I am going to keep myself pure and by

514
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: doing this, by doing this action, it's symbolizing that and

515
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: therefore internalizing it. There's also um purity balls, which is

516
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: not what you'll so when when you use the word

517
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: purity ball, certain things will come to mind, right UM.

518
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they're not as fun as what's what you are thinking. UM.

519
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: A purity ball is just like a formal dance event,

520
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, like a ball that you put on um,

521
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: which is meant to. It's a it's a meant to.

522
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: Usually it's like fathers take their daughters there and then

523
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: their daughters swear to make a ginity pledge um to

524
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: protect their purity of mind, body and spirit UM, so

525
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: that they will not then infect you know boys, uh

526
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and cause them to stumble and and commit the sin

527
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: of lust, which again is an incredibly weird thing to

528
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: do at a ball like it. It's so weird. We

529
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: also yeah, it's ye most most Yeah, it's well, I

530
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: think I think we've got into enough of that. Yeah,

531
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: but the specific sort of thing, I think the last

532
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: thing I will look at. There there there is one

533
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: more thing were But so before that, I do want

534
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: to point out that Joshua Harris, who like is in

535
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot of ways responsible, like single handedly responsible for

536
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of this, she is Japanese. And uh, yeah,

537
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: fucking thanks for that one, buddy, great job, good ship man.

538
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: In he announced that he and his wife were divorcing. Yeah,

539
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: so you and and and now and now no longer

540
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: considers himself like the type of Christian he was before.

541
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm unclear what his actual spiritual beliefs at the moment,

542
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: but he did he did try to distance himself from

543
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: his from from what I've read, like, it's unclear that

544
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: he knows. So oh he he knows. He definitely knows.

545
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can. I can guarantee that

546
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: he's he's used to be running. He has a new grift.

547
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Now it sucks, they always get new grifts. But actually

548
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: when we will, yeah, we will get into the new

549
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: grift industry in the seconds. Um. But yeah, one of

550
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the other things that's that's a big part of this

551
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: is like a deep and abiding hatred of porn. Like

552
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: all of this is yeah, like as you said, like

553
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: in the list of by laws watching porn again, it's

554
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: the same as sexual assaults. Yeah, it's it's morally the

555
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: same level of sin. Yeah. And and like you know,

556
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean and and you can read that both ways

557
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: as how seriously they take watching porn and how seriously

558
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: I take sexual assault because it does go it does

559
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: go both ways. Yeah. Um. And this this thing, the

560
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: fact that that this is this is like considered a

561
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: sin is the apotheosis like the apothiosis that this is

562
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: is poor an addiction, which again like not really dubious existence.

563
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: This is this is this is even more dubious and

564
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: sex than sex addiction. Like there's no there, this is

565
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: this is like this is just fake. Um. But there's

566
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: an entire culture that's that's a like developed around stopping

567
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: manifest seeing poor and these like there's like these incredibly

568
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: elaborate accountability setups where like there's like apps you install

569
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: on your stuff, like the ways to alter your IP

570
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: addressed to certain sites. Yeah, Robert Aaron Long the shooter,

571
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: like he he uses a flip phone instead of a

572
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: smartphone because he thinks having a phone will like lead

573
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: in presentation. Um now Long. Yeah. And it's the product

574
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: of this is that there's like, there's like this entire

575
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: industry that is built up around quote unquote treating the

576
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: porn addiction. Yeah. Um, and it's it's all bullshit. But

577
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Long had spent at twice been in one of these

578
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: facilities called hope Quest. Now, hope Quest is an affiliated

579
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: for old friends that focus in the family. But that

580
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: that's not actually the part I want to talk about,

581
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: because what's more interesting about hope Quest is that it's

582
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: founded by roy A. Blankenship, a former ex gay who

583
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: left both hope Quests and the X gay community to

584
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: live with his husbands. Now fun Now this what a

585
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: what a what what what a what a funny pattern

586
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: we keep finding out? Yeah? No, Now, I think I

587
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: think my two listeners, if you were, if you were

588
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: not as cursed as as as we are as we

589
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: are and you don't know what it ex gay is, um,

590
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: X gays were. There are this movements of like Evangelical Gaze,

591
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: who claimed that like this, this is the thing that

592
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: starts in like the ninetcent two thousands, they claimed that

593
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: like they've gone to conversion therapy and it made them

594
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: not gay. Yeah yeah, and and this and you know,

595
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: and in partial part of partial was going on here

596
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: is they claim that that like they did it voluntarily

597
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: because like involuntarily doing conversion therapy had gotten to a

598
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: point where it was like bad pr wise, because Jesus Christ,

599
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: you were like nturing children and they're still torturing children,

600
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: but but this time they're like, no, it's voluntary, and

601
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: that this is like the big this is the rights

602
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: big cultural campaign against the gay right foods in two thousands,

603
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: and uh, like I I would say this, like it's

604
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: it's not exactly the same thing as the way they

605
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: use detensitioners, but like there's a lot of it's very similar.

606
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: And of course obviously that we now have the x

607
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: X gay movement yeah yeah, and and you know, and

608
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: and and to to like so okay, so like the

609
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: X gay movement falls apart in like the late two

610
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: thousands and nearly dozen tents because like it doesn't work.

611
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: The leaders, all the leaders were initially gay. He said

612
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: they were X gay and then kept having gay sex

613
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: because that rules. Yeah, and they all kind of realized,

614
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: maybe we should stop doing this thing that keeps killing kids. Yeah,

615
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: and Blaken Blankenship to his credit, like he'd been a

616
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: big person doing this and then he was just like

617
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: like one of his friends like suicide and he's like,

618
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: oh shit, and so like he stops and he like

619
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: he's announce in version therapy and he's now appropriate. So

620
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: many of the focus on the family people who were

621
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: involved in like love one out all of these escay programs.

622
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: So many of them then renounced it, accepted their their gayness,

623
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and then moved to Portland's fucking Oregon. So many of

624
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: them didn't though like this, this is what's interesting about this,

625
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: so okay. So so while he was sort of figuring

626
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: this out, blankets Ship had a founded hope quest, right,

627
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: And so he leaves with the people who are running

628
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: it now like our X gays, who they're like the

629
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: only X gays left who didn't renounce it and who

630
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: like still claimed to be X. I mean, they they've

631
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: taken their stuff about how like homosexuality should be like

632
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: dealt with by saying by having by marrying women and

633
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: just not acting on it or whatever, like they they

634
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: took thatself out of their bios, but they apparently they

635
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: still believe it, like like they they've never they've never

636
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: these people have never probably come out against it. And

637
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: you know what essentially happened was that like enough of

638
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: enough of the ex gays like that, the collapse enough

639
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: that like they had to find and they had to

640
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: find a new thing to do. And the new thing

641
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: they found to do was they went and they went

642
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: into the porn addiction treatment industry. Yeah, and also if

643
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: if if you want more background like the X gay thing,

644
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you can listen to the my my two part are

645
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: on Focus on the Family and James Dobson for Behind

646
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: the Bastards. Also for our week on the War on transpeople,

647
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: we discussed some of the same stuff for the first episode,

648
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: which is the evangelical gay marriage um like thing that

649
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, we we we have we do we we

650
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: do have we do have something like produced scripted stuff

651
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: on these topics if you want more background on them. Yeah, Unfortunately,

652
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: this is a this is a story where there's like

653
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: every single thread you've ever done suddenly is coming together

654
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: in one moment of horrific violence. This is where Long

655
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: like winds up for treatments for like or and sex

656
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: addiction addictions, which I kind of emphasize enough. This is

657
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: literally what he's talking about is literally that he watches

658
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: porn like like that that's what porn sex addiction like means.

659
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: And because none of this is real, the treatments like

660
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: don't work because again it's all fake. And I do

661
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: would also say hope quest Is operates out of Georgia.

662
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, so so so.

663
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: So he goes into treatment twice and he's he's he

664
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: says it like Maverick, which is dislike recovery center. Um,

665
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. And he goes home and his parents

666
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: kick him out of his house for watching porn. And

667
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, and I think this is something that like

668
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: is important to understand, which is that the people inside

669
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: of this world really deeply believe this stuff, right and

670
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: and like watching porn has real social consequences for them,

671
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: and it has you know, and this, this has, this

672
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: has has has like a profound affect on how these

673
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: people think. I'm going to read a quote from watching

674
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: post article Bayliss, who was Long's roommate at Maverick Recovery,

675
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: a sober living facility in Roswell, Georgia, in two thousand,

676
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: nineteen and two, and the months between his stay at

677
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Hope stays at Hope, Quest said Long felt his very

678
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: salvation was at stake, as he told his roommate that

679
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: he was quote living in sin and not walking in

680
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: the light. He was walking in darkness. So this this

681
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: is how these people like see this stuff right, like

682
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: like this is this is literally about whether you're you're

683
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, they're they're talking about like something extremely existential

684
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: like it like it is. This all seems very silly

685
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: to people who are not inside it because it is

686
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: it's it is. It is absurd. But if the people

687
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: involved in it, it is like the totality of the universe,

688
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: like it is, it is so big. It's like the

689
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: biggest thing. It's so important because you're you're determining what you're,

690
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: what you will, what's your conscious being will exist for

691
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: if for thou the thousands of ears like that, like

692
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: this is what they actually believe, So it's super important,

693
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: Like it's it is it is worth killing before because

694
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: that's that's how important this is. Like like I think,

695
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: I think there's no sense to which it is more

696
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: important than life or death because you dying, like, okay,

697
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: you die, once you go to physical death doesn't matter.

698
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, and and this, you know, and

699
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this, like it's there. There's

700
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: those things. There's there's a social consequences. You can get

701
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: kicked out of your house. You can kicked out of

702
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: your church if you keep doing this, like like these

703
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: churches will kick you out. Um and and this, you know,

704
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: this makes the ideology at work here incredibly powerful, and

705
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: it provides a mixture of this like this, this really

706
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: incredible self hatred for like falling into sin and giving

707
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: him too temptation, and it also creates a hat of

708
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the temptation itself. And this brings us all the way

709
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: up to the shooting. Purity culture. Purity culture is the

710
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: key that onlocks, you know, the meeting of Long's words,

711
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: we can under stand the explanation that the police gave,

712
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: which again, like he apparently has an issue what he

713
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: considers a sex addiction and sees these locations as something

714
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: that allows him to go to these places, and it's

715
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate, you know,

716
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: And there there was a at the memorial for for

717
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: the shooting last year. UM sex worker organizer Kail and

718
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: Jong said this, they hate us so they can hate

719
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: themselves less. And I think that's that's a really great Yeah,

720
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: that is a really good analysis. Yes, yeah, it's a

721
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: perfect calculation of like what's happening here. But this is

722
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: the part of the story with the media just violently

723
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: and spectacularly fox up to adapt. They they dropped the

724
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: purity ball. You might say, yeah, I mean it's it's

725
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: it's really horrible there, Like, what they've essentially done is

726
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: an act two years of racist violence against people who

727
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: had either literally just survived a mass shooting or who

728
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: are literally dead. And the way they do this is

729
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: the press reads long talking about sex edition addiction, and

730
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: they immediately assumed that the women in these massage parlors

731
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: have been having sex with them, and they start there's

732
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: like this whole hunt that they do to like search

733
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: for evidence that massage workers were doing like full service

734
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: sex work, based off of again the words of a

735
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: literal racist mass murderer and their own racist preconception that

736
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: like all Asian women especially SPA workers are also sex workers.

737
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: And like, you know, on the one hand, yeah, it's

738
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: true that this stuff is fueled by horror phobia, and

739
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: also like morally, who gives a ship what they were doing.

740
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: But the immediate problem here is that by doing this

741
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: witch hunt, you were seeking the police on the survivor

742
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: you're putting you're putting a survivors in immense legal and

743
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: physical danger. Yeah, and and we we will talk about

744
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: this more next episode. But like, these women have already

745
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: seen more police violence and police raids than all of

746
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: the journalists writing about this combined I've seen in their

747
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: entire lives. And if any of these people had bothered

748
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: to spend five seconds thinking about what purity culture is,

749
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: they would have realized it long is from a fanatically

750
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: puritanical culture, a culture where, for example, in massage given

751
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: by a woman where the man is like almost entirely naked,

752
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: uh is something that would absolutely have been considered a

753
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: sexual service. And like you know, and and if you

754
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: think about this again for like five seconds, right when

755
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: he's talking about removing temptation, he already thinks of all

756
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: of these women as sex workers, because that's that's what

757
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: he thinks the massage is he thinks like that that

758
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: that that's that's how he thinks about massages. It's yeah,

759
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: it is it women are the like women do this,

760
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: then they caused men to sin, right, it's not it

761
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what's going on with the man.

762
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: It is specifically what the woman is doing. Yeah. Well,

763
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and and and even then like it doesn't actually like

764
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: I think I think that the important distinction here is

765
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: that it does not matter when Long talks about how

766
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: this is a place that was giving into station and

767
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: also like like he was giving inemptation and he was

768
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: like he was going there for his sex addition, Like

769
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually matter to him whether or not any

770
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: of these women have ever like exchange money exact at all.

771
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't it doesn't need to be, Yeah,

772
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: because these people are fucking like it just engulfed in

773
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: like it's so totally engulfed in this incredibly like violence

774
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: and racist and misogynists homophobic ideology that it just sort

775
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: of you know, like that that's just how they think.

776
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: And I think that this is where we're going to

777
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: return one final time in this episode to race, because

778
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: there's a mistake that people make thinking about this analytically

779
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: that prevents him from understanding both what's happening in Atlanta

780
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: and how sort of capitalists and racist violence happens everywhere.

781
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: Which is that like, okay, so right when this happened, um,

782
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: like when when the when the press conference dropped, you

783
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: got all that there are a lot of people like

784
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I think Glenn Greenwalld did this thing leef fang, Like

785
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: there's a whole crew of people who were like, this

786
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: isn't about Asian racism at all. This is about him

787
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: like hating sex workers. And okay, it is true that

788
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: human labor has been transformed into a commodity that can

789
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: be bought and sold at will. Now on on a

790
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: on a more theoretical level, right, you will see sort

791
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: of incredibly theory brain people who will talk about how

792
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, in in March's Critique of Political economy, right,

793
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: all labor is astracting, interchangeable. Each unit of labor time

794
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: is equivalent, identical, and exchangeable. But here in the massage parlor,

795
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: this is a deadly simplification this labor. That the labor

796
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: that is going on here is Asian. It is indelibly

797
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: stamped with race and ethnicity and nationality and hundreds of

798
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: years of violence and perception. Um Rumors Paca, a assistant

799
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: professor at the Institute of Women's Studies at the University

800
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: of Georgia. Rohod a piece last year called white supremacy

801
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: in the wellness industry or why it matters that that

802
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: this happened at a spa um and I'm going to

803
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: read a passage moment because it's very good. Massage spas,

804
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: also called salons or parlors like the one where these

805
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: crimes took place, are part of a broader industrial complex

806
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: that capitalizes on the racist belief that Asian people and

807
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Asian woman in particular, possess magical, spiritual, and sexual healing abilities.

808
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: These attitudes belong to an entrenched Orientalist infrastructure in the

809
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: United States that connects yoga and meditation and massage to tourism, pleasure,

810
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: and escape. Signaled by the exotic tropical flower and the

811
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: photo above and there's a photo of flower at a parlor. Yeah,

812
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: you know. And and this this labor, the labor of

813
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: of of the massage that's happening here is it depends

814
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: almost entirely on a very specific performance of a specific

815
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: kind of Asian femininity. And you know when this sort

816
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: of gender and racialized violence, but when when this gender

817
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: and racialized labor comes into contact with Long and all

818
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: of the sort of historical forces that he's bearing, Humbird

819
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: is the workers, And yeah, I think, yeah, this is

820
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: the part of the story of the Lanta shooting that

821
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: I think if people know about Atlanta shooting at all, like,

822
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: this is the part they know about, right, they know

823
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: the story of Robert Aaron Long. But there are other

824
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: stories here, stories that aren't stories that in large part

825
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: are just not about the US at all. Um. There

826
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: are the stories of the victims, the survivors, and the

827
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: absolute hell that brought them into the massage parlor in

828
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: the first place on the horrific night. And those are

829
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: the stories that we're gonna tell in part two. Yeah,

830
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: well that doesn't for us today. I do want to say,

831
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: I know, uh, I know Christmas planning these for the

832
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: anniversary of the shooting, but they proved to be quite

833
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: the daunting task to put together. I had to get

834
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: I had to get pushed back for a while. So

835
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: but but big thanks to you are doing the work too.

836
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Read through all of the horrible things, and if, like

837
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: the other thing I said about this, like if if

838
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: you think this is bad, wait till part two, which

839
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: is even more wide spanning and has horrific and disturbing

840
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: violence in a way that will I don't know, reduced

841
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: media tears multiple times. And yeah, we'll leave you an

842
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: existential dread of the condition of this world. Yeah, And

843
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: I guess again there there is there There is ways

844
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: to combat it, right, because all of these a lot

845
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: of these things, all right, you know, problems with like

846
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: viewpoint and ideas in terms of how we view sex,

847
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: how we view women, how we view race, um. And

848
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: there are things that when you see you can interrogate

849
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: in people, um, especially if you're especially if you're a Christian,

850
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to church. These there are

851
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: things to watch out for and you can push back

852
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: on because it's and doing so can maybe save people's lives,

853
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: because these ideas have a death count. Yeah, and I

854
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: think I think there's another part of this too, which

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Speaker 1: is that you know, I mean, the reason we talk

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Speaker 1: about purity culture stuff so much, the reason we talk

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Speaker 1: about the mobilizations of the evangelical rights so much, is

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Speaker 1: that they keep producing these movements that you know, that

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Speaker 1: that put that put our lives in danger. And the

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Speaker 1: only way that we can stop this, and this is

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Speaker 1: a thing that we can do, is you have to

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Speaker 1: actually destroy their movement, right you have you have to

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Speaker 1: you have to actually break their power. You have to

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to find various ways to break

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Speaker 1: the power, break the power of these churches, and you

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Speaker 1: have to find ways to break the power of their

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Speaker 1: political movements. And that is not an easy task. But

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Speaker 1: if if we want to live in a world well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just point blank, if if we want to

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Speaker 1: live in a world and not in you know, like

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Speaker 1: four degrees fahrenheit, like unlivable death scape, like, we have

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Speaker 1: to deal with these people because they are the source

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Speaker 1: of almost every right wing movement that that we're facing,

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Speaker 1: and they have to be crushed before they do this again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're going to try. I mean, there's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because the biggest thing would would say is like reaching

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Speaker 1: out to people who you know are indus or if

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Speaker 1: you if you go to church, I think it's your

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Speaker 1: duty as a Christian to push back on these things

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Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna bash anyone specifically for whatever religion

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Speaker 1: they have I understand why people have this. I I

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Speaker 1: can see how they work. Um. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: raised in something very similar. Um. But you can you

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Speaker 1: can still push back on the type of rhetoric that

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Speaker 1: leads to these things, in the type of like like

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Speaker 1: objectification and racism that necessitates violence and gets people to

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Speaker 1: be okay with violence, um, and pushing back against like

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Speaker 1: a Christian apocalyptic worldviews, and like the idea your your

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Speaker 1: actions will determine your you know how, the spiritual quality

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Speaker 1: of your soul and where it's going to reside for

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Speaker 1: all of eternity. Right. All these things are our ideas

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Speaker 1: that are pretty pretty like innately dangerous. Um. And there's

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Speaker 1: ways to do religion that don't have that. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: I think I think that is a good enough place

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Speaker 1: to leave it for today, because I know part two

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Speaker 1: we're going to have some more more fire. Why why

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Speaker 1: widespread problems? Yeah, alright, well this has when make it

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