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Speaker 5: Kenny Florian. Oh my god, here are your hosts, John

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, man? Am I excited? There is not a

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Speaker 6: UFC show this week?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean to the fans agree?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I love forty shows a year, and I

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Speaker 2: But we can flow.

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Speaker 6: We just ripped eight consecutive weeks, like little breather for

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Speaker 7: Man, And you can only store so much information, right

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Speaker 7: And for you, obviously you're doing a lot of traveling

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm happy for you. Man, you got a

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Speaker 6: See, I don't have your recall. And I don't say

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Speaker 6: He's like, because I don't have all that NBA bullshit

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Speaker 6: And I think there is something to be said for this.

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Speaker 6: But like, are you glad you don't have to make

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Speaker 6: I mean you've had to make like sixty. UFC picks

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Speaker 6: UFC producer Bruce Connell, as many of you know, passed

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Speaker 2: Kenny and I have known him for about ten years.

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Speaker 6: March ninth, would have been Bruce's sixty second birthday. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: There should be something there that his family can go

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Speaker 9: But Max Holloway was the best fighter last year and

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Speaker 8: He deserves it. He deserves it.

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Speaker 9: And look, you know we didn't expect that from Brian

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Speaker 6: it means a lot to the Connell family when they

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Speaker 6: see people like you and Kenny broken up as they

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Speaker 6: are about this.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for the time.

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Speaker 6: And I'm getting the resume in for the Fort Lauderdale office, buddy,

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Speaker 6: So you know, I'm just letting you know if you

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Speaker 2: Just get me in the door. Make them a secretary

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Speaker 8: Bright.

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Speaker 8: I'll let him.

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Speaker 7: I think John would be a great assistant, Brian personally,

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Speaker 7: great secretary?

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, perfect, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Can I?

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Speaker 5: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to punch a hole in this fucking sep spot.

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Speaker 4: That's what I want.

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Speaker 5: The Ray Longo Minute during Ray to John Nick and

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Speaker 5: Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 6: All Right, breaking news on the Anak and Florin podcast.

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Speaker 6: We have answered the fans demands. We have moved Ray

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Speaker 6: Longo to the top of the show for the for

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Speaker 6: the for the future, I guess, I mean, if this

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Speaker 6: one pm Eastern slot works for you, Ray h no

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Speaker 6: more burying you at the bottom of the show.

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Speaker 2: So good to see you man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 7: We should we should We thought we should have held

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Speaker 7: them to the end to get the viewers, you know,

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Speaker 7: to tune in for that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought.

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Speaker 7: That the plans, right, so you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: But we're getting hate tweets. You know, I want to

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Speaker 7: see Longo right away.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Ray, what have you done?

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Speaker 1: You got to speak? Was spoken spoken?

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Speaker 10: We have to deliver and here we are.

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Speaker 1: Where do we staw today?

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Speaker 6: Well, so I wasn't going to give you this plug necessarily,

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Speaker 6: but I think we owe it to our listeners.

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Speaker 2: Ken Flow.

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Speaker 6: Ray Longo has his own podcast now, so I figured

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Speaker 6: we should start there.

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Speaker 2: Ray. How is your new podcast?

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Speaker 7: Ray?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's really uh, it's the continuation of Training Day

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Speaker 1: Will Ray.

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Speaker 10: So it's really not.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, wow, what's well with that? I feel betrayed.

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Speaker 10: I feel betrayed, definitely, not definitely, not.

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Speaker 2: At least tell at least tell me if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: cheat them. I mean.

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Speaker 1: No, it's definitely saying people involved with Training Day with

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Speaker 1: Ray and that thing went in the toilet. Now we'll

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Speaker 1: wait for this it's only a matter of time. I figured,

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Speaker 1: why I announce it when it might be dead in

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Speaker 1: three weeks.

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Speaker 2: There you go, I get it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just want the listeners to know there's more

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Speaker 6: long ago content out there, so if you just google

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Speaker 6: the guy's name, you can find it. So here's where

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Speaker 6: we're gonna start ken flow. This is where Ray Longo

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Speaker 6: texted me. During the broadcast. Ray was under the impression

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Speaker 6: from Big John that the horn doesn't necessarily mean anything

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Speaker 6: and that the fighters are you know, should keep fighting

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Speaker 6: until the ref stops them. You reference the Holly Holmes

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Speaker 6: Germaine to randomy fight Hector Lombard in theory, and your

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Speaker 6: opinion was following that advice, you know, kangaroo fucking court,

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Speaker 6: he said, And you also said Joe Rogan was right.

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Speaker 2: Why was herb Dean whispering?

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Speaker 6: And I know you know you've said too that that

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Speaker 6: these guys don't necessarily want to be the bad guy.

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Speaker 6: We were going to get into Lombard and Cebe Dollaway

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Speaker 6: and obviously that is where you banned on it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I just, I mean, look, why was

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Speaker 10: the guy disqualified?

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Speaker 1: The guy absolutely did nothing wrong. The ref didn't stop him.

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Speaker 1: And it's protect yourself at all times. That bell is

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Speaker 1: just a warning for the ref to jump in. And

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, why wasn't Jirandom made itn't even

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Speaker 1: get a point deducted zero? So holly Holm technically could

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Speaker 1: be the champ. Right now, that's.

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Speaker 7: A d Q.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Why was Lumbard dq'ed in that fight? He did nothing wrong?

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Speaker 2: So you think.

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Speaker 1: According to what was according to the rules.

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Speaker 7: So for you, you're like, it should be a no contest,

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Speaker 7: not a disqualification because Dolloy couldn't continue.

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Speaker 10: Right, Look, my point is that they made the right decision.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying what was the difference between that and

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Speaker 1: what Jorandom made did to holly Holm? That's my question.

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Speaker 2: Just referee discretion, right.

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Speaker 6: And Unfortunately, in all the research I've done, actually after

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Speaker 6: our show last Monday, one thing that I found out

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Speaker 6: ray is that every rule has an exception and a

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Speaker 6: lot of these things open to interpretation. And I know

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Speaker 6: it's not what fighters and coaches and broadcasters want to hear,

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Speaker 6: but the gray area and mixed martial arts officiating has

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Speaker 6: never been more gray.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't get it if I'm

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Speaker 1: hecked the Lombard. If you heck the Lombard? Are you

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Speaker 1: not confused? Are you not confused at that point? Like

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Speaker 1: according to the holly Home fight, I'm going to keep

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Speaker 1: fighting until they step in and break me. What did

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Speaker 1: he what exactly did he do wrong? And what was

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Speaker 1: the what was the the refs trade? You know, what

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Speaker 1: was his take on it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 7: The only thing, the only thing, Ray, is that I

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Speaker 7: think during during the fight, as soon as that bell rang,

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Speaker 7: the referee said it rounds over, didn't he he?

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Speaker 2: I think he stepped in and put his.

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Speaker 10: Arm stop, but he didn't jump and stop them.

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Speaker 1: God just saying like in the holly Home fight, the

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Speaker 1: same thing happened, and she still threw a punch.

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Speaker 6: That's what It's just, it's not consistent, right, and and

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Speaker 6: it's all in an instant, in a split second.

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Speaker 2: But Ray with you here.

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Speaker 6: I just want to ask Kenny and you, and we'll

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Speaker 6: start with Kenny, what does that ten count?

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Speaker 2: Kenny? When you hear that horn, what does that signify

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Speaker 2: to you? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean you don't always hear it, That's the thing.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes you're super focused, the crowds, loud, whatever, But when

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Speaker 7: you hear it and you do hear it sometimes during

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Speaker 7: the fight the round's about to be over ten seconds, right.

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Speaker 1: But again, but Kenny, but as a fighter, you want

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Speaker 1: to finish that.

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Speaker 7: Round, Straw saying no, absolutely, And you just got kicked,

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Speaker 7: and you just got kicked, and you're thinking about the

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Speaker 7: counter and that's it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And you're in the Yeah, in the middle of a combination.

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Speaker 8: You're going for it.

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Speaker 1: Man Like even in sporting, I'll say, short time, you

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Speaker 1: got to win that round. You got ten seconds to

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Speaker 1: put an exclamation point on it. And the ability when

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Speaker 1: he hears those clapes, he gets in position to do

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Speaker 1: his job and to jump in there. Not the same

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Speaker 1: from across the ring.

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Speaker 6: Well, right, and we see we see a lot of

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Speaker 6: takedowns late in rounds as fighters try to punctuate the round.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: So I think most fighters when they hear that, you

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Speaker 6: go balls to the wall and you try to sactuate

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Speaker 6: the route.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, I want to know what the difference between

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Speaker 1: the home fight and that fight was. That's all I'm

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Speaker 1: asking for.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 6: And perhaps we didn't do as right by Hector Lombard

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Speaker 6: as we could have on the broadcast. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 6: I think we all agreed that Cebee Dollaway was in

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Speaker 6: no position to continue.

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Speaker 10: But if I'm the commission, if it's my rules, it's

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Speaker 10: a d Q.

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Speaker 1: I think the bell means stop period, not the ref

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Speaker 1: jumping in, because you can't count on that. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would say that if everybody tried to follow that rule,

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Speaker 1: we have a better place. But when you're told not

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Speaker 1: to stop until the ref jumps on you, then you

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Speaker 1: got a problem again. Why would you want to you

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Speaker 1: want to exploit that rule. I'm gonna keep going until

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Speaker 1: the guy separates us.

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Speaker 7: Like for the Home, for the Home and deurandomy fight,

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Speaker 7: did they even take a point away? No?

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Speaker 1: Nothing, it didn't even take it.

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Speaker 2: And she did it twice right, and that.

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Speaker 1: Poor girl had to come out and fight and that

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Speaker 1: and that that shot was hard, man hard.

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Speaker 7: So for you, Ray, it's more you're more upset that

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Speaker 7: there's no consistency to tell you that this happens.

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Speaker 1: Definitely the consistency, and I think, no, look, man, here's

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Speaker 1: the other day. Who's your favorite uh, who's your favorite

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Speaker 1: un party in baseball?

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Speaker 4: Kenny?

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Speaker 2: I don't want you.

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Speaker 1: But the favorite refen. Who's your favorite rEFInd football, right, favorite.

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Speaker 2: I can't where you're going. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: know any of them. I don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: You don't know.

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Speaker 7: You know why, because it's not about the way it

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Speaker 7: should be exactly.

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Speaker 1: Who's your favorite tennis guy? The long judge, right, you

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Speaker 1: have one? You ever see him in McEnroe go out

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Speaker 1: of it back in the day. These guys are celebrities.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to be the bad guy. They don't

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Speaker 1: have to make the hard decisions. They want to take

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Speaker 1: pictures and smooth with everybody.

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Speaker 6: Well, and the ones, the ones that aren't celebrities though,

663
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 6: I will say, like Keith Peterson, and he could be

664
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: because y'all know I love him, right, he's not acknowledging cameras, right,

665
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 6: and he's the best referee in the business.

666
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of guys till now coming up.

667
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you don't even know these other

668
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: guys or even like I just go back to like

669
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you're almost as a ref should be arguing with people

670
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: because you're making the calls that are not popular, but

671
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: you're adhering to the rules. Yeah, Joe Rogan was right,

672
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: we want to know what the rules or what do

673
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: we whisper it for? It's all little secret, so nobody

674
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: knows what the rules or everybody's in the dark.

675
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 10: It should I think a little transparency, right.

676
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 7: And also you get that you get the chance to

677
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 7: discuss with another referee whether you're gonna take away a point,

678
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 7: two points DQ, no contest, you know what I mean?

679
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 7: It should be he should know in his head already

680
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 7: what happened and what he's gonna do.

681
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Period.

682
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Why was there no consultation with the Stevens fight with Emmy?

683
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: Nobody got consulted on that. Guys, get on board, please,

684
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

685
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

686
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 6: You're like Longer screaming at me through his TV. At times.

687
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 6: I do think that you're going on. But I do

688
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: think your vision though.

689
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Would you not? Would you at least agree with.

690
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 6: Me that it's ambitious Ray to think that that that

691
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 6: we can get as consistent as you'd like us to be, right,

692
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, you can inject more. You know, Jason

693
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 6: Herzog's and Kevin McDonald's and Mark Goblins don't know that

694
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 6: we're ever going to get to a point and even

695
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 6: to the whole process of like the referee going to

696
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 6: the other referees and going to the commission tables. It's like, dude,

697
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 6: it's just a bunch of gray areas. Shit, I'm telling you,

698
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 6: and I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know,

699
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 6: but every fight's different.

700
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, even with the Mussas fight, the commission to stop fighting.

701
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy told me there's no instant replay in New York.

702
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: Get they went to the instant replay, right? Is there

703
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: any accountability for this? Isn't I'm not even joking, like,

704
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, as a guy trying to follow what's

705
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: going on, I have no fucking idea.

706
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 8: What's going on?

707
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: How do you not have a set of rules that everybody? Look,

708
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: the ref didn't stop him, the guy kept fighting. The

709
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: guy's not the cut. He didn't do anything wrong.

710
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 7: You know.

711
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: If the guy can't continue like it may be in

712
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: the groin shot, it's a no contest. Now.

713
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: There needs to be consistency, right there, absolutely.

714
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: Needs to do Kenny. I understand it's a tough job.

715
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: That might be coming off as a prick a little bit,

716
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I think they could do a

717
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: couple of things just to be consistent where everybody's on

718
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the same page where it takes out these conversations.

719
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: Right, No, like in the NFL, you're like, oh, you know,

720
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 7: when he makes a catch, two feet have to be

721
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 7: on the inside or have to be scraping the floor

722
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 7: or whatever it is. There's no maybe it's one, maybe

723
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: it's two. You know, changes Sunday to Sunday. It's ridiculous.

724
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: There needs to.

725
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: Be some kind of consistent amongst all the referees.

726
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 7: As a fighter going in, that's one more thing you

727
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 7: gotta worry about a referee judging.

728
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's ridiculous how many guys you have to

729
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: fight out.

730
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: To think Kenny is and I believe, like what Jeremy

731
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Stevens said, he didn't think he did anything wrong. He

732
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: thought he was doing everything right. You have to believe

733
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: that guy based on what we're even saying that we

734
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: don't even know what it.

735
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Is, right.

736
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 6: See, this was the whole vision for the Ray Longo Minute, too,

737
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: was to have an issue like this.

738
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: In the space.

739
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 6: So all right, I don't know if you have anything else,

740
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: but but before we let you go, I'll just say,

741
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 6: you know, we can give you your own time slot.

742
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 6: We gave you your own minute, like, I don't know

743
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: if you want naming rights on the top of the show.

744
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 6: Uh may, We'll make it Longo and the Florian, The

745
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 6: Longo Florian and Annex show.

746
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 10: I told you what was gonna happen years ago.

747
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna show up at Kenny's doorstep and telling that

748
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm his new partner. Cop see it. There's gonna be

749
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: probably around two in the morning.

750
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's hilarious.

751
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I was poured my heart out. You want more.

752
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 7: I imagine the poor bastard has to hit Pad with

753
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 7: Longo next.

754
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Loga is gonna kill the guy. He's gonna

755
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: be dead.

756
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: Get back home.

757
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 11: So everybody's doing good on that note good, Hey, Ken, seriously,

758
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 11: can you give me can you give me thirty seconds

759
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 11: on on Brian Ortega because Frankie Edgar got knocked out

760
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 11: this weekend and I'd be remiss to not at least

761
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 11: get your two cents.

762
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, man, I got if I

763
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: tell you that my heart broke during that fight because

764
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Frankie's such a good guy. Mark's a great guy. Frankie.

765
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: I really believe you can make a case for his

766
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: the best fighter i'd ever walked through the octagon door.

767
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this kid is just an inspiration for everybody

768
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: takes fights. He's not back in a way. He fought

769
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: everybody two divisions, could have dropped down to thirty five.

770
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 10: Probably was a champ at fifty five and at.

771
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: One he looked tiny in there. He was the champ

772
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: at fifty five. So I got nothing. But I think

773
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: that kid's an inspiration for anybody who's maybe a little undersigned.

774
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 8: You know.

775
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: Uh people are telling him you're too small for this,

776
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: you're too small for that. That kid is amazing. And

777
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: he got lifted off his feet with that upper cut

778
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: and he still.

779
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 8: Wanted to fight. Yeah.

780
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what do you say about

781
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: the guy? And again he took a fight on short notice.

782
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: And again they're both great guys. Brian Otaga is a sweetheart,

783
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: and man, is the ceiling is so high for this kid.

784
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: That was a big challenge to me. I picked Frank

785
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Diega to win the fight. Again, he's getting a little older.

786
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like if that's gonna eventually rear its

787
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: ugly head. Maybe that was the first sign of it,

788
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: but uh or Taga really looked like he you know,

789
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: from the second that belt rang, he he looked like

790
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: he belonged in there, and I didn't know if it

791
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: was going to be another Yeah Hea Rodriguez where he

792
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: was just gonna take him down and beat the crap

793
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: out of him.

794
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 10: And I think that with that question was answered.

795
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, who doesn't want to see a

796
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: fight between Holloway and and Uh and Brian. I think

797
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: that's a I think that is just a phenomenal matchup

798
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: at this point. That's an exciting fight that everybody should

799
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: want to see. And again, whatever Frankie decides to do

800
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: in the future, again there's a guy who.

801
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 12: Come on, look at those stats. How do you last

802
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 12: that long in the octagon? I mean, I deal with

803
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 12: guys getting injured every day. I don't know how this

804
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 12: kid did it. You know, he was fighting through injuries

805
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 12: along the way. Nobody gets out of this game, Scott Free.

806
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: It's just one of the toughest, most inspirational fighters the

807
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: UFC has ever seen. And you know, I just wish

808
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: the kid the best of luck, you know, to meet him,

809
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: and I know you guys.

810
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 10: Have is to love him, and man, I don't know,

811
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 10: I mean just you know, it was.

812
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: It was great. You know, it was great on the

813
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: old accounts, you know, you know, like again, Frankie should

814
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: get the props he really deserves. And North Tega is

815
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: an up and comer, and what a great fight he

816
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: fought man, so hats off to him too.

817
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, buddy, thanks for the extented time. We

818
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 6: will talk to you. It's actually next Wednesday, so eight

819
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 6: days from.

820
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Now will be.

821
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we got we got a little bit of a

822
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 6: conflict early next week, so March fourteenth, that'll have to be.

823
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 6: Give you time to get a haircut, shut the dogs

824
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 6: down for a few minutes.

825
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: We'll be good to go.

826
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me ask you something.

827
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 10: I did the podcast listen and we had Al Jamine Sterling.

828
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

829
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, he brings up this thing where you said I

830
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 10: have to what do I have to do?

831
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I have let us throwing up. I have just throwing

832
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: out of my head. What is that?

833
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 6: Yeah? Your hair it's lettuce, you know. Let us so

834
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 6: we call it. That's what we call in Boston. What's

835
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 6: the problem.

836
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: Let us.

837
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Know what you're talking about?

838
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 10: All right?

839
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: He could stop lift and.

840
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 6: List well, nice job getting the the c listers with

841
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 6: Al Joe on the podcast.

842
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Okay, nicely done. We'll talk to you next week, buddy,

843
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: all right, I take it easy.

844
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: I'll see, we'll see.

845
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 6: So Brian Ortega might just be the best human being

846
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 6: in m m A. Right, I mean, I love that kid,

847
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 6: and to see him do that to Franki Edgar, I

848
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 6: think was shocking to a lot of people. Kenny and

849
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: the anticipation for or Taga Holloway, Right, you heard Brian

850
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 6: Stan maybe doesn't necessarily think he has all the tools

851
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 6: right now to handle that challenge, but a lot of

852
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 6: people are gonna say that this is the most anticipated

853
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 6: featherweight fight since Aldo and Floria. No, I mean since

854
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 6: Aldo and McGregor, as much as you know, for me, for.

855
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: Me, this is it's almost exactly like Aldo Florian.

856
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean this, this fight between or Tag

857
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: and Holloway is going to be very highly anticipated. And

858
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: maybe we'll get back to it later in the show,

859
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: but I just want to ask you about Frankie Edgar's

860
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 6: approach in this fight, because we got a chance to

861
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 6: talk to both fighters before the fight obviously, and you

862
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 6: know not that t City was going to pull guard necessarily,

863
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 6: but he's not at all afraid to be taken down

864
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 6: and fight off of his back. So was Frankie Edgar's

865
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 6: approach going to be take down attempt diverse?

866
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: And was he not gonna gopher tay right?

867
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 6: I mean, I know the fight only lasted almost around

868
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 6: but zero takedown attempts, it looked like Frankie was going

869
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 6: to try to outstrike it.

870
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 7: Well, for Frankie was in the guillotina one point. I

871
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 7: think it was off a failed shot. Am I mistaken

872
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 7: it was Frankie shooting in on that or maybe in

873
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 7: the class I think he was shooting in once, But

874
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 7: I think so. I think you got to mix in everything.

875
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 7: You know, as far as Ortega, yes is his jiu

876
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 7: jitsu sharp, no doubt about it. If you hit a good,

877
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 7: solid double leg with good posture, you're not gonna be

878
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 7: able to get a guillotine if you do it right.

879
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 7: And Frankie certainly has way more experience than me to

880
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 7: be able to pull that off.

881
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: So I thought, yeah, you got to mix it.

882
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 7: At the very least, John I would say at the

883
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 7: end of the round to maybe just put a stamp

884
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 7: on the round and you know, hit a couple takedowns.

885
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: You know, if it was relatively even on the feet.

886
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 7: I thought Frankie, like Brian said, I thought he was

887
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: getting into a rhythm. I thought Frankie was winning that

888
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 7: fight up unto that point. It wasn't a blowout. It

889
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 7: was close, but Frankie was landing a little bit more shots.

890
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 7: But the thing about Brian Ortega what makes him so great?

891
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 7: First of all, this is a different Brian Ortega. Right,

892
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 7: he gets better better with every fight. Not to mention

893
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 7: he was gius as a slow starter. Okay, he was

894
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 7: a very slow starter, something that I had to deal with,

895
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 7: and he's been making those adjustments every fight. It seems

896
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 7: like he knows when to turn the volume back and

897
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 7: get his rhythm a lot quicker. What separates Ortega from

898
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 7: a lot of fighters is, listen, I think there's other

899
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 7: guys who have sharp ground games, all right, better ground

900
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 7: games than Ortega. There's other guys that have better striking

901
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 7: than Ortega. There's guys that are bigger, stronger, more athletic

902
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 7: than Ortega.

903
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: What makes Ortega great is his mind. Okay, it's his composure.

904
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 7: It's his ability to read his opponent and say, you

905
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 7: know what, I see how Frankie's entering I'm gonna throw

906
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 7: an elbow. I'm gonna go for a guillotine. Cup keeps

907
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 7: ducking his head. I'm gonna combo with some knees and

908
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 7: wrap up that guillotine. You know, whatever it is, he

909
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 7: knows how to figure guys out, and he's doing it

910
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 7: better and better every single fight, quicker and quicker every

911
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 7: single fight.

912
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: So to me, that's what makes him special.

913
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 7: And yeah, like Brian said, you know, yeah, does he

914
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 7: have more to improve on? Absolutely, I've been saying that

915
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 7: the last couple of fights. I said, yeah, or Tega

916
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 7: is good, But I don't know if he's got the

917
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 7: kind of striking level of a Cub Swanson.

918
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can keep Cub away. I

919
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.

920
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 7: Frankie has a lot more experience than him. I think

921
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 7: Frankie's gonna be able to land some shots and he

922
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 7: knows how to win rounds. I don't know if Ortega's

923
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 7: gonna be able to Frankie. He keeps proving us all.

924
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Wrong, you know. So I was blown away by Ortega's performance.

925
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 7: His ability to find that winning shot or that winning

926
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 7: move to get the win. He's been doing it throughout

927
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 7: his career. This guy is a finisher. You have to

928
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 7: make this fight. You just gotta do it. You look

929
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 7: at all the momentum and the highlights from both of

930
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 7: these guys of what you can do, and how they

931
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 7: they are similar as far as size and all that

932
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 7: stuff and age.

933
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: It's the fight that has to happen. Man.

934
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 7: This is a big, big fight, and it's happening in

935
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 7: the fetherweight division.

936
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: And we're not done on T City, but now with

937
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 6: us on the guest line, and I apologize for keeping

938
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 6: to keep it a good man waiting. This is a

939
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 6: man who spent more time with the late Bruce Connell

940
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 6: I would think over the last fifteen to twenty years

941
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 6: than probably anyone in the world. Also, the best sports

942
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 6: TV director, by the way, in the free world, the

943
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 6: great Anthony g Ordonna, was with us ag you know,

944
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 6: we love you man. I apologize. It took these circumstances

945
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 6: to actually get you on the show. How's it going

946
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 6: out there in Northern California?

947
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: I met.

948
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just in denial, the best way I

949
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 4: could put it, in denial.

950
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 6: I can't imagine how difficult the last several days, you know,

951
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 6: have been for you. And the emotions when you took

952
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 6: that seat for UFC two twenty two without your guy

953
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: Breucey to your left. I mean, did your heart skip

954
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 6: a beat? I mean, what was it like cracking that

955
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 6: pay per view broadcast this weekend for you?

956
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: Well, obviously that emotional opening, you know, when Craig showed

957
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 4: it to us, Craig Barsari the day before, I looked

958
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: at him and I said, really, you know you're going

959
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: to do that and then expect us to put on

960
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: six hours of live television, you know, with everybody in tears.

961
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 4: But that's that's what Bruce would have wanted, and that's

962
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: what he taught us all. So that's what we did.

963
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 4: And it's certainly a partnership. You know, Karen, his his

964
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: loving wife, used to call me his road wife. That

965
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: I spent more time with him, you know, in the

966
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: last in the last years, probably at least fifteen years.

967
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 4: I think I started at UFC twenty eight and he

968
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: was a producer then. So I've been next to him

969
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: every other week or every couple of weeks, you know,

970
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: from that point till you know, a couple of weeks ago,

971
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: and it definitely felt surreal, you know, it's like a

972
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: quarterback and a receiver. You know, there's timing, there's a

973
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: you know you're kind of just you know what he's thinking.

974
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 4: You know what he knows what you're thinking. So again,

975
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: you know the you know, Michael Laplant did did a

976
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: fine job at a capable job, and I thought he was,

977
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: you know, really nice one. He just kind of leaned

978
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: over to me with spit of my ear. Hey, this

979
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: is always Brucey's chair. It'll always be Bruce's chair. So

980
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: at that point you just suck it up and you.

981
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 8: Go to work.

982
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 7: Anthony, you knew Bruce better than everybody, you know. Can

983
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 7: you just explain to people what kind of guy, uh

984
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 7: Bruce was? And you know, again, you're another one of

985
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 7: those guys that you just expect to be there.

986
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: You guys were like saltan Pepper.

987
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 7: You were always close to each other, always around. Just

988
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 7: just talk to people about what Bruce was, what he

989
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 7: meant to you.

990
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the strange thing for me is, you know,

991
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: Bruce was like he's been on the road so long

992
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: and he's been in sports television like wait beyond me.

993
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: I mean he's one of the pioneers, right, So he's

994
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: like his like Marriotte number was like like you know

995
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: ten zero's and like number ninety. You know, the you

996
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 4: know he was and and he loved you know, he

997
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: always did our hotels. He was crazy about you know,

998
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: you know, very again a producer, right the details, specific things,

999
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: and he would just arrange everything. And you know, this

1000
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: this week, this strange thing for me was, you know,

1001
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: we always stayed that kind of our own hotel so

1002
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 4: he could do his work and not be bothered by it,

1003
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: you know, by everything. And so this week I was

1004
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: kind of by myself, you know, at the Four Seasons

1005
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: that in Vegas, and it was I kept expecting him

1006
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: to walk through the door. You know, he would buck

1007
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 4: me there. You know. He always worked out at least

1008
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 4: one or two times a day, you know ate well,

1009
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: and you know, always called me and and you know,

1010
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 4: trying to get me to come to the gym. And

1011
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: I was waiting for the phone to ring, and you know,

1012
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: and and Bruce fashion he always would say, you know,

1013
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: I'm I'm at the gym and you're not, you know,

1014
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: and try to try to rally me out of bed

1015
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: and come down and stay healthy, because you know, he

1016
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: cares about people, you know, whether it. You know, John

1017
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: or Joe or you. You always had kind where it's

1018
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: always say about you guys. You know that he loved

1019
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: you guys, and he gave people like April or a

1020
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: d her first chance and her job at Jackie. And

1021
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: you know he's super loyal, you know, to his team.

1022
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: You know, a really, really loyal guy that would go

1023
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: up against you know, everybody, whether it was you know,

1024
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: Soofar or whatever, he would go up against him and

1025
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: battle for his guys and fight for his guys always.

1026
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: You couldn't have summed it up any better.

1027
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 6: I'm starting to think we need to find a weekly

1028
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 6: spot for you on this podcast. I know you set

1029
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 6: a place for him at Charlie's at the Four Seasons

1030
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 6: after the pay per view, which I thought was just

1031
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 6: so touching. And we're going to of course mourn and

1032
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 6: celebrate Bruce's life later this week in Connecticut. But I

1033
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 6: wish we could bottle the energy of your back and

1034
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 6: forth relationship with him.

1035
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Because you guys are both hilarious.

1036
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 6: You're maybe a little bit funnier than he is, but

1037
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: you're both funny guys. You both talk a bunch of shit,

1038
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 6: and like he still owes you ten grand if I'm

1039
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 6: not mistaken, right.

1040
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Well, ten thy two hundred were counting on from boche Ball,

1041
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: that from Maren's you know, from Maren to Pocheball, where

1042
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: I specifically showed him the rules right on the internet

1043
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: that what I did was legal. You know, when Bruce

1044
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: gets you know, when he gets booked on something, there

1045
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: is zero talking to him about it. I'm like, Bruce

1046
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: gets right here in the rules, He's like, fuck, play

1047
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: double or nothing. I'm like, I know you right, I

1048
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 4: know you're not gonna pay me, so give me the

1049
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: two hundred and then I'll play you the double or

1050
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: nothing or I'm never gonna play you again. But I

1051
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: don't know if you've seen the picture. Have you seen

1052
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: the picture that Cape Guy's made with Bruce, you know,

1053
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 4: with the rake. Have you seen that picture? No, Oh, jesus,

1054
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.

1055
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: I'll text you this picture, please do.

1056
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: Maren had some sort of rake, you know, in his backyard.

1057
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't a boche ball cart. It was just grass.

1058
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: It was bumpy, it was like ridiculous. It was not ball,

1059
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: just throwing these bochie balls around in this like crater

1060
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 4: filled yard. But for some reason, marriage back of his

1061
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: rake was sharpened and like whittles, like a point boy,

1062
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: you know. So Bruce was like coughing that at the

1063
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: opposing team, which I was. So while you're trying to

1064
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: throw the ball, all of a sudden, this spear was

1065
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: some you know, So he was you know. You know

1066
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: the thing about Bruce is he loved life, you know,

1067
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: and we would get into you heard that, you would

1068
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: hear it over the thing. We'd get into some battles

1069
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: where you know, it's just it's just instantly we would

1070
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: be yelling at each other, and like especially if we

1071
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: were in a different place, you know, where our home

1072
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: guys didn't know us. They would look at like Nick Malaney,

1073
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 4: one of our camera guys. He would say, the camera

1074
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 4: guys would look at each other, and then two seconds later,

1075
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: we're just right back. Everything is good and we're just

1076
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 4: you know, but we're both very passionate about what we do.

1077
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: So we would get into these things and then literally

1078
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 4: the minute the second it was over, it was over

1079
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 4: and we were back. And he always, you know, whether

1080
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: we were in Brazil, whether we were in anywhere in

1081
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 4: the US, just always wanted to do things. And the

1082
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: one thing that you know, people say but really, as

1083
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: a father, you only have one daughter, so we're just

1084
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: you know, she's about to go to college. We're ready

1085
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 4: to lose our minds. I watched Bruce's family, his kids

1086
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: and his wife. They always wanted to be together. You know,

1087
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 4: they would come out Memorial Day weekend. They would all

1088
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: fly out to Vegas and go on this house folk

1089
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: and you know, stay on this household for like two

1090
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 4: weeks or something. And Bruce would always tell me, oh,

1091
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: you know, we thirty pounds of steak and dranks, you know,

1092
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: fifty cases of beer. But I love the fact that

1093
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: his kids were if they were anywhere in the vicinity,

1094
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: they would make, you know, the effort and all come

1095
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 4: together and hang together. And I always told them, I'm like, dude,

1096
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: you're a crazy dude, but you're great to your great dad,

1097
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: great husband. And I just hope my daughter, you know,

1098
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: when she's you know, in her third year in college,

1099
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: you know, just wants to fly everywhere and meet me

1100
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: and and do that. I mean, it really was a

1101
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: tribute to him as a person, because ultimately, right we

1102
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: all miss him, we all love him. We've all learned

1103
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: in our business and in other businesses. The show goes on, right,

1104
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: whether I'm there, you were there, you know, the next

1105
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 4: person will just continue. Will the home viewer know that

1106
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: I'm not directing the show or you know that me

1107
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: and no one's gonna know what that particular thing is.

1108
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: But what really gets me and brings it home and

1109
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: makes it real is the people you know in that

1110
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: room when he passed, you know where they're gonna Unfortunately,

1111
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: I had a niece passed away last year. She was

1112
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: only twenty years old, and I learned, you know, the

1113
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 4: whole in the harp that the family gets that just

1114
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: stays there for the rest of their lives. They are

1115
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: they feel that pain, you know, I mean, they move

1116
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 4: on with their lives, but it's always there. That's what

1117
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: hopefully matters, right, That's and that's what really mattered to

1118
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 4: Bruce and to me. You know, a great producer, you know,

1119
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: awesome and all that and ESPN and everything. But for

1120
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Speaker 4: me as a father of us, you know, one child

1121
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: and only child. The biggest tribute that I can say

1122
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: to Bruce. He was a great husband and you know,

1123
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 4: one of the best fathers that I've ever met.

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00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, kids wanted to be around him, and I think

1125
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Speaker 6: as a parent. That's probably goal number one for a

1126
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 6: lot of us. And if your daughter doesn't want to

1127
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: hang out with you, I don't know. Her friends must

1128
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: be really fun. Because I say that with all the respect.

1129
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 6: I mean, you know how much we love you and

1130
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 6: breaking bread with you and everything else. I mean, does

1131
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 6: she's gotta like hanging out with you? If not, she's nuts.

1132
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah she does. And little things like this morning, she

1133
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: was running a little late, so, you know, hard to

1134
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: find parking space at school and I'm dead asleep and

1135
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: shakes me. He's like, would you drive me to school?

1136
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: You know, some people be like, well get up. I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

1137
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: So the little phone call, the little conversation we had

1138
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 4: on the ten minute ride to school up, you know,

1139
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: especially when you travel. You know, when I missed her

1140
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: senior day at soccer, I missed her her senior soccer banquet.

1141
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: I missed her actual birthday party because I was doing

1142
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 4: the show. People don't realize, you know, when you know,

1143
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: when I think it was somebody's girlfriend they met and

1144
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: they're like, oh yeah, my boyfriend, you know, works for

1145
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: ABC Sports is going to do the Super Bowl. And

1146
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: I said to you, well, you understand what that here's

1147
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: what that means in real language. You're going to be

1148
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 4: alone every weekend, Yeah, every weddy, every wedding, you go

1149
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: to everything, you will be by yourself. So it's a

1150
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 4: little that people don't understand the sacrifice that make, you know,

1151
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: giving up your time with your family, and Bruce has

1152
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 4: done it, you know, for so long and to be

1153
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 4: able to keep that closeness. And just because the funny

1154
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: thing is the ten thousand that he goes. Just to

1155
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: clarify that, he kept telling me that my daughter is

1156
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: in high school and she absolutely will get a piercing

1157
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 4: and tattoos before she was eighteen. And I said, and

1158
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: I said, that's never ever gonna happen, not because I'm

1159
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: gonna yell at her anything. First of all, my daughter's

1160
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: afraid of the needles more than anything in the world.

1161
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 4: And both of those involved needles. So he said, I'll

1162
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 4: bet you five thousand dollars. And I said, listen, if

1163
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 4: we make this bet, he's just gonna pay me Like

1164
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 4: this is this is a real bet. I'm gonna make

1165
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: you put money in like ex crow or some pecureingness.

1166
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: I call my wife, I tell my wife about that

1167
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: that my wife's like five thousand, make it ten thousands.

1168
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: So I told my wife, I said, Hey, I told Bruce.

1169
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: I said, my wife said, make it ten thousand. So

1170
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 4: he's like done, like done. So literally, my daughter's eighteenth

1171
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: birthday was last Saturday, right, and I go Bruce. In

1172
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: the end, he still screwed me like some in the end,

1173
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 4: he didn't have to go to this extent that I

1174
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: knew somehow I wasn't going to get that money.

1175
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 6: Unbelievable and a fitting way to close it out. UFC

1176
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 6: director Anthony Giordano, thank you for hopping on with us. Man,

1177
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 6: hope I didn't wake you after you went back to

1178
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 6: bed after dropping your daughter at school, of course, and

1179
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 6: I look forward to seeing you and celebrating Bruce's life

1180
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 6: later this week, my man.

1181
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1182
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, Thanks Kenny for your kind work the other

1183
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 4: day as well.

1184
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy. All right boy, all right there he

1185
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: is the great ag.

1186
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 6: A lot of online tributes out there for Bruce Connell

1187
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 6: if you search on Twitter, Mma, junkie dot com. John

1188
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: Morgan did a really nice article and put that all together,

1189
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 6: and I appreciate that very much. But a lot of

1190
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 6: names you'd recognize Ken Flow, Dick Vitel and Barry Melrose,

1191
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 6: Darren Pang couple of NHL giants. The Connell family pretty

1192
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 6: legendary when it comes to sports TV. Bruce's late father,

1193
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 6: Scotti Connell, absolute legend. He's in the Sports Broadcasting Hall

1194
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 6: of Fame or some hall of fame. He is most

1195
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 6: definitely a Hall of Famer. And to Brian Stan's point

1196
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 6: earlier in the show, hopefully Bruce Connell as a Hall

1197
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 6: of Famer a few months from now. But an amazing legacy,

1198
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 6: just sort of to put a bow on that. And

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Speaker 6: you can be sure, you know, every single time that

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Speaker 6: we do these pay per views in particular and Big

1201
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 6: Fox shows, you know these are all for Brucey, and

1202
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 6: we're thinking about Brucey, and you know, we'll put this

1203
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 6: man on the credits as long as we can until

1204
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 6: it's not appropriate anymore. Right, I mean, this was the guy,

1205
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 6: and as such, we wanted to spend a lot of

1206
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 6: time on the great Brucey Connell. Here today, we are

1207
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Speaker 6: going to get back to the UFC two twenty two

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to get a few thoughts out there

1234
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Speaker 6: on Ortega and then we'll rifle through some of the

1235
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 6: other winners here Ken flow from UFC two twenty two,

1236
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 6: But just on Brian Ortega.

1237
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: You summed it up perfectly, and I'm so glad that

1238
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: you did.

1239
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 6: But I do think it would have been fascinating had

1240
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 6: this fight gone on, because I do think that this

1241
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 6: wasn't going to be a ten or fifteen takedown attempt

1242
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 6: type fight for Frankie Edgar. And so when Brian Ortello,

1243
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 6: you know, he's plus thirteen hundred as a prop to

1244
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 6: win by knockout, and nobody wanted to touch it, and because

1245
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 6: they all thought, oh maybe he'll submit, Frankie probably won't

1246
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 6: outpoint the guy. But not a lot of people are

1247
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 6: maybe understanding what Ortega can do with some limited opportunities

1248
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: on the feet and now taking out two very durable

1249
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 6: guys in Clay Guida and Frankie Edgar largely on the feet.

1250
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 6: So I'm excited to see the Holloway fight, and again

1251
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 6: that's as big a fight at featherweight as we can

1252
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 6: put together, and maybe not as big as Edgar Holloway,

1253
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 6: But in terms of the hardcore fans, I think that's

1254
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 6: the fight. Two guys with big frames for the featherweight division.

1255
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see that fight play out, and

1256
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 6: we'll see if t City's ready or not.

1257
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty close on paper.

1258
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: I don't think Halloway is going to be much more

1259
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 6: than a minus one to eighty favorite, especially given the

1260
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 6: nature of the Edgar result. For Brian t City or Tega,

1261
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 6: Sean O'Malley, Andre sukim tat Kenny a very interesting fight here.

1262
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 6: You might have seen some video of your boy Rashad

1263
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 6: Evans talking about Andre sukim toat his teammate not forcing

1264
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 6: Sean O'Malley to get back to his feet when he

1265
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 6: injured his leg.

1266
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: I see upside in both of these guys.

1267
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 6: I see a higher ceiling for Shan O'Malley, but fight

1268
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 6: IQ for Sukim Tot has to be questioned here when

1269
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 6: potentially all he would have had to do is back up,

1270
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 6: and it might have been a doctor coming in to

1271
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 6: give him a win.

1272
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 7: Without a doubt. First, a couple things, let's start. Let's

1273
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 7: talk about the start of the fight for Andrea. And

1274
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 7: I know Andre, and I felt bad for him. But

1275
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 7: you know, if I'm looking at it with just critical eyes,

1276
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 7: not on Andre, but on his approach, when you're fighting

1277
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 7: a taller guy with a lot of offense, you absolutely

1278
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 7: cannot allow him to back you up. You can't if

1279
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 7: you're gonna counter. If you're going to be the counter guy,

1280
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 7: you can do it as Sean O'Malley. You can't do

1281
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 7: it as sukum Tot sukom Toat should have been backing

1282
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 7: him up, should have been moving forward. Against the taller

1283
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 7: rangeer fighter, you cannot allow him to back you up

1284
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 7: as the shorter guy with less range. You just cannot.

1285
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 7: And O'Malley was just letting his offense flow from there,

1286
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 7: which really put Sukhmat behind the eight ball there. So uh,

1287
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 7: not a good start for Andre, and every time he

1288
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 7: went forward he was effective. Now let's talk about the injury,

1289
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 7: all right, So Annik, if you have me on one

1290
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 7: leg and I broke my foot or I have injured

1291
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 7: my foot at this point, I don't know if it

1292
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 7: was confirmed.

1293
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: As broken, but I can't step right. I got one leg.

1294
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 7: I guarantee you'll you'll finish me, but you're not gonna

1295
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 7: do it by taking me down. I mean, if you

1296
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 7: take him down, you're going you know what, let me

1297
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 7: help you win the fight, let me help you survive.

1298
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 7: Why wouldn't you just try to knock him out on

1299
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 7: the feet. Why wouldn't you Actually, he would have had

1300
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 7: a better chance if he put his arms up and

1301
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 7: waited for O'Malley to take one step forward, you know

1302
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 7: what I mean, Like, I mean, it.

1303
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 6: Was crazy, like, well, you could have you could have

1304
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 6: kicked that, Like, yeah, they're like Kenny Florian with.

1305
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 2: All due respect, Like Kenny was a killer, okay.

1306
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 6: Like he he would fight I mean, not that you

1307
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 6: would fight emotional, but you would fight anger. I'm not

1308
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 6: saying you would have like grabbed the foot to force him.

1309
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 6: I would have yea, you could have forced a verbal

1310
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 6: tap potentially just by grabbing the foot.

1311
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, I would have done it. I would have

1312
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 7: done It's hey, it's fair, he's in a fight. Sorry

1313
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 7: sorry no.

1314
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 6: So obviously that was sort of the big storyline in

1315
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 6: that fight. But I do think O'Malley has a lot

1316
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 6: of weapons on the feet, Kenny. You know, distance management

1317
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 6: is as important for a striker than anyone, and I

1318
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: think he understands that pretty well. He's got a very faint,

1319
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 6: heavy attack that has some polish to it, Kenny. I mean,

1320
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 6: this is a guy who has dreamed of this since

1321
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 6: twelve or thirteen years old. So even if he wasn't

1322
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 6: always doing the right things in training, he was still

1323
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 6: working towards this goal.

1324
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1325
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 7: Mean, listen, he's got two things that just make him

1326
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 7: dangerous right off the bat.

1327
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: He's got he's five foot eleven.

1328
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 7: One hundred and thirty five pounds, okay, And number two,

1329
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 7: he's got confidence. So maybe he's not the most technical

1330
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 7: guy right now, but he believes in himself and he

1331
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 7: believes in his system of striking. So just those two

1332
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 7: things alone make him dangerous. But guess what, he's becoming

1333
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 7: more and more polished now. He's fainting his way in.

1334
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 7: Does he have work to do, no doubt about it

1335
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 7: on the feet and on the ground, But just his

1336
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 7: range and his confidence level could potentially make him a

1337
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 7: great fighter down the line. So O'Malley, has you know

1338
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 7: he's really improving. I thought SuperM Tot was gonna win

1339
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 7: this fight. I thought SuperM Tot was gonna pressure him,

1340
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 7: and again it's easier said than done. Maybe SuperM Tot

1341
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 7: went out there and go, geez, this guy's huge. I

1342
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 7: can't find my way in. You know, I don't know,

1343
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 7: but whatever it was, it wasn't the right approach. And

1344
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 7: as a fighter, you're gonna have these ups and downs.

1345
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 7: O'Malley may have gotten into his head a little bit.

1346
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 7: And this young kid, man, he's got a lot of confidence.

1347
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 7: He once he once he lets his offense flow. Man,

1348
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 7: he's gonna be a problem for a lot of guys

1349
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 7: in that division. So I wasn't a believer him getting

1350
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 7: the win. I thought, you know, he's he's a guy

1351
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 7: who people are gonna have to watch out for, no

1352
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 7: doubt about it.

1353
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 6: And again, stiffer challenge is await. But this is a

1354
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 6: guy who's just getting going and he is undefeated fourteen

1355
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 6: amateur fights to his credit as well. So a big

1356
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 6: win for Sean O'Malley. And we also shouldn't lose sight

1357
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 6: of the fact that he got a couple ten eights

1358
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 6: in the first round. Even though the new rules are

1359
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 6: not in effect, it seems like scoring has sort of

1360
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 6: widely been accepted that you know, you don't even need

1361
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 6: to largely dominate a guy to get a ten to eight,

1362
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 6: and relative to other ten nines, that first round was

1363
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 6: most certainly a ten eight for Shan O'Malley, and in

1364
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 6: the end with a couple twenty nine to twenty sevens,

1365
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 6: perhaps that was what got him to win. I don't know,

1366
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 6: I get confused with all the mathematics, but I think

1367
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 6: that that ten eight on two scorecards ultimately was why

1368
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 6: he won the fight. So now let's get to the

1369
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 6: fight you want to see next. So I think there

1370
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 6: are a lot of different options for Sean O'Malley. We

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 6: threw it out there to our Twitter followers at annik

1372
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 6: Florian Pod, and I think some people can he really

1373
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 6: want to move this guy forward quicker than I would advise.

1374
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 6: They want him to have a ranked opponent, and I'm

1375
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 6: just not sure that that would be the right way

1376
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 6: to develop this fighter. The UFC has been pretty good

1377
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 6: at properly developing guys from thirty five through seventy, so

1378
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 6: he is a bandam way fighter. An I'm gonna throw

1379
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw some names your way courtesy of our

1380
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 6: fine Twitter followers. You can tell me what you think

1381
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 6: of these guys, so Tom Dukain, while I think makes

1382
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 6: a lot of sense, I have a first.

1383
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: Guy on my mind that's wild. Well, yeah, let's start there.

1384
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 6: I don't know if he has a fight on the books,

1385
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 6: but I mean that would certainly be uh be entertaining

1386
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 6: for the masses.

1387
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 7: I would think, now, why why was that the first

1388
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 7: name on my mind? Because here's another striker who's exciting,

1389
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 7: who's gonna come forward?

1390
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: Listen.

1391
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 7: I think there's holes in O'Malley's game when it comes

1392
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 7: to wrestling and on the being on the ground. But

1393
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 7: I think Duke and is guy you can rely on

1394
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 7: to go and try to keep it standing.

1395
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: Who's gonna try to be exciting.

1396
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 7: I think that's a guy who's ranked right or not ranked,

1397
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 7: but right about the same level I think experience wise.

1398
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a fight that makes a lot of sense.

1399
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: I think one of two of those guys, maybe.

1400
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 7: Both of them could could be a future contender in

1401
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 7: that division. But I think that that's a fight that

1402
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 7: makes a lot of sense based on what they've done

1403
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 7: in UFC so far.

1404
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 6: And some other names that were thrown out there, Yaya Rodriguez,

1405
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 6: it is a different division. I can understand the appeal

1406
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 6: for that fight, but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

1407
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 6: Urre Al Contada, Eddie Wanlin Hen and Barrow, Taruto Ishihara,

1408
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 6: Jose ken Yon has a lot of good options there,

1409
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 6: but the one that I like is Thomas Almeida. And

1410
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 6: again you're still talking about maybe a ranked guy. I

1411
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 6: don't know if Almeida has fallen so far that he

1412
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 6: has fallen out of the rankings, but I just I

1413
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 6: mean Almeida and Sean O'Malley. I don't know if he's ready,

1414
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 6: but I'd like to find the hell out right.

1415
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean that that'd be an exciting fight, no doubt

1416
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, slow your.

1417
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 7: Role build that these guys, I think to some extent,

1418
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 7: you know, in some cases, I feel like the UFC

1419
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 7: has pushed some of these guys a little bit too much.

1420
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 7: I think they need to slow it down a little bit. Yes,

1421
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 7: we want to we want to have these guys that

1422
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 7: are marketable and all that stuff, but just give them

1423
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 7: the right fights. Slow it down, right, And I think

1424
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 7: Almeida might be a couple steps ahead of the game

1425
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 7: there as far as experience, certainly, right. So yeah, I

1426
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 7: think a guy like Duke in Wa makes a little

1427
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 7: bit more sense.

1428
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and again you're talking about credential ban with Eddie Windland,

1429
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 6: Uriel Conte de hen and Brow. These are big names

1430
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 6: with a lot of experience. Y. I just don't know

1431
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 6: that hen and Burrow is going to be the name

1432
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 6: on the next contract for Shan O'Malley. But nonetheless it's

1433
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 6: going to be a big fight. And of course he

1434
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 6: couldn't have done much more to maximize the pay per

1435
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 6: view showcase this weekend, so the sugar shows in full effect.

1436
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 6: He's getting his own marijuana strand can flow by the way,

1437
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 6: the Montana kid, Yeah, I guess he's going to California

1438
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 6: and he's getting his own like sugar show strand. You

1439
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 6: know he was talking about like wanaga sativa pretty specific,

1440
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 6: So no out of competition drug testing for marijuana, all right,

1441
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 6: So I just want to put a bow on some things.

1442
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 6: UFC two twenty two, wise can flow, Cebe Dollaway and

1443
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 6: Hector Lombard In terms of the main event challenge? I mean,

1444
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 6: do you understand that that that was a three point

1445
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 6: swing against you, that our guest picker last week had

1446
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 6: Ceb as an underdog and you had Lombard, So I

1447
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 6: don't know if that changes your opinion.

1448
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: Uh, dude, it's interest because I just felt.

1449
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 6: Like horn was really loud and not the loudest arena

1450
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 6: and maybe there was time, but for me to sit

1451
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 6: here as a non fighter and say that Lombard could

1452
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 6: have interrupted that combination is really not going to win

1453
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 6: me any fans and is really not all that fair

1454
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 6: for me to do. And on Dolloway's side, what was

1455
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 6: interesting And I wasn't necessarily going to say this on

1456
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 6: the broadcast, but I'm not going to start questioning how

1457
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 6: injured or not Cebe Dolloway is, or whether or not

1458
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 6: that was a concussive blow. But it seemed to me

1459
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 6: that right after the combination Seebee actually had recovered pretty

1460
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 6: quickly enough to mouth that was after the horn, right,

1461
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 6: and then he started saying repeatedly what happened, So maybe

1462
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 6: things got foggy thereafter. But you also have to understand

1463
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 6: that CB Dolloway has paid forty six thousand dollars to

1464
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 6: show up in another forty six thousand dollars to win,

1465
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 6: and it wasn't gonna behoove him. It was not going

1466
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 6: to behoove him to continue in this fight, Kenny, after

1467
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 6: that combination legal or otherwise illegal or otherwise forty.

1468
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 7: Six GE's forty six g's will change your mind a

1469
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 7: little bit, you know what I mean. So yeah, and

1470
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not saying that's the case, but again,

1471
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 7: you were there, and I think that's an interesting observation

1472
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 7: that he said that immediately after Hey, that was after

1473
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 7: the bell.

1474
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

1475
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 7: You got fox caught right to commercial right after that,

1476
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 7: which I'm sure they had planned. And I saw him

1477
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 7: get you. I said, oh, no, this is not good.

1478
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 7: I don't know if this fight is gonna continue because

1479
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 7: he looked like he was hurt. The fact that he

1480
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 7: said that is interesting, But yeah, you never know. Maybe

1481
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 7: the you know, those effects kind of take place a

1482
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 7: little bit later. Maybe you still feel like you're rocked

1483
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 7: and you think you're okay, but you're not. It's unfortunate. Man,

1484
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 7: did our guest picker? Is that how we picked the fight?

1485
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: John?

1486
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: Uh?

1487
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: Dis qualification after the first round? Well, hey, I mean

1488
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: it double used a double We're gonna do that. So

1489
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: the flow that is ridiculous.

1490
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 6: Hey, if it gets appealed and overturned to a no contest,

1491
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 6: remind me and we will be sure to adjust the

1492
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 6: standings accordingly.

1493
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: But it's almost like.

1494
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 7: If you I'm just I'm saying, oh I lost to

1495
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 7: get it, I'm down so bad on points.

1496
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 6: Well, no, you actually no, you had Cyborg by first round. Yeah,

1497
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 6: she had a pretty good week. Get another underdog play

1498
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 6: in there. You had Brian t city ortegas the underdog

1499
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 6: can flow. You picked him. I do remember that, by

1500
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 6: the way. I know, so all is not lost. But

1501
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 6: but you know the thing about changing our standings too.

1502
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 6: Digressing a little bit here, But if you bet on

1503
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 6: Cbe Dollaway, you're cashing that ticket, right, job about it.

1504
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: And if you hold on to a HEC and if you.

1505
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 6: Hold on to a straight wager on Hector Lombard, I

1506
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 6: don't know that you're getting your money back if and

1507
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 6: when that thing gets overturned to a no contest. And

1508
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 6: I don't think that's necessarily what's going to happen. You know,

1509
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 6: they had the benefit of replay and that work against

1510
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 6: Hector in this situation. And I don't mean to add

1511
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 6: further speculation to Dollarway or the extent to which he

1512
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 6: was heard. I mean, I love the guy nineteenth UFC appearance.

1513
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 6: He deserves the benefit of the doubt. But again, you know,

1514
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 6: sometime you're a fighter.

1515
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: He's of it.

1516
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 6: He's like, man, it doesn't make sense for me to continue.

1517
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 6: And all I have to do really is say, what

1518
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 6: just happened to get forty six k added to my

1519
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 6: paycheck and a DQ win. There's obviously some risk involved there, right,

1520
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 6: I mean he could have it could have been a

1521
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: no contest or he doesn't know exactly how they're going

1522
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 6: to do that.

1523
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: But Lombard gets deqed and and there you go, you

1524
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: know what.

1525
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 7: Well, And and here's the issue, you know we were

1526
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 7: talking about earlier, is that, you know, for this fight,

1527
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 7: we'd like to see some consistency here. You know, we

1528
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 7: we've seen other shots that were late before with no repercussions.

1529
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: So we have to figure it out.

1530
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 7: You know, what would have happened if holly Holm wasn't

1531
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 7: able to continue against de Random you know, So we

1532
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 7: we just have to be consistent in how we call

1533
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 7: these fights and how we call these uh situations that

1534
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 7: happened in the octagon. And that's going to get rid

1535
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 7: of a lot of the controversy. I think it's more

1536
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 7: just not knowing how referee, how things are going to

1537
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 7: be called in there, so and when yeas we're causing

1538
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 7: the issue.

1539
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 6: And would you agree that as commentators were in a

1540
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 6: little bit of a tough situation because we do we

1541
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 6: do fuel the public perception, right so commentators, and again

1542
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 6: we are trying to call it as we see it.

1543
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: In real time. It was after you know what I mean,

1544
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: So you called her it.

1545
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 6: But let's say our narrative is, man, I don't know,

1546
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 6: that was pretty close, seem like, you know, a borderline combination.

1547
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 6: Then sometimes the public narrative becomes that and Lombard in

1548
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 6: the court of public opinion is dealing with a very

1549
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 6: different story when he gets out of that fight and

1550
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 6: gets to the postfight press conference. So it's always a

1551
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 6: tricky situation for us. We're just trying to call it

1552
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 6: like we see it, and there is no agenda for

1553
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 6: any of these fighters. All right, gonna toss a couple

1554
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 6: other names your way. Andre Arlovsky defeats Stephan Struve and

1555
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 6: for the second straight fight, Arlovsky coming up on forty,

1556
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 6: sticks to the game plan and gets it done. He

1557
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 6: had more takedowns Kenny in this fight than in his

1558
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 6: previous twenty four UFC appearances combined, just an insane number. There,

1559
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 6: Kaitlyn Vieda spoiling the return of katz and Gano's that's

1560
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 6: a future star potentially. I really feel like she is

1561
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 6: just getting going. Mackenzie Dern, Alexander Hernandez Due. We're running

1562
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 6: out of time, Cody Stamon, Mike Piles last fight against

1563
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 6: Zach Otto.

1564
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: Let's start with Kaitlyn Vieta. Can you just give me

1565
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: a couple of things on her?

1566
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 6: Because Katzengano, even though she had been off for a while,

1567
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 6: and even though maybe her fighting prime I don't know.

1568
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 6: I hate to say when or where it is, but

1569
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 6: for Kaitlyn Vieida, man, just like kats and Gano's an

1570
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 6: intimidating fighter to fight, and Kaitlyn was the furthest thing

1571
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 6: from intimidated, great coach, great skills, developing contender. I think

1572
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 6: eventually Kaitlyn's gonna find her way to a UFC title fight.

1573
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: I really do.

1574
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 7: Kaitlyn Vieira as she's from the Amazons in Brazil, just

1575
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 7: they produced a lot of tough people, man Jacta ray

1576
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 7: Soza being one of them. And when she was getting

1577
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 7: hit with some big shots again, Zangano nothing. I mean,

1578
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 7: her face never changed, she just kept plodding forward. Those

1579
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 7: counter takedowns were just lovely, My goodness, just send Zingano flying.

1580
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 7: And if there was one aspect of the fight where

1581
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 7: a lot of people thought Singhano would have.

1582
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 2: The advantage, it'd be with their strength, it would be

1583
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 2: with their takedowns. Not the case. And when when she

1584
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 2: was getting tossed around, I said that this fight is

1585
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: absolutely over.

1586
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 7: Zingano, who physically is an imposing fighter, has some gifts

1587
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 7: strength wise, she's aggressive, but technically she just hasn't developed

1588
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,879
Speaker 7: like I would have would have liked. And she's dangerous

1589
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 7: in the clinch with those knees.

1590
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: And that's about it.

1591
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 7: Vieira was just all over her and it was tough

1592
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 7: to see Zingano get the loss there.

1593
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 2: She's a great person of a Vieira just too skilled.

1594
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's three straight losses now for Alpha

1595
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 6: kats Gano. And after the judges in Orlando, by the way,

1596
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 6: had a great night across the board. There was nothing

1597
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 6: controversial about the scorecards in Orlando. This was not a

1598
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 6: great night for the judges. The fact that kats and

1599
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 6: Ghana won this fight. Kenny on one judge's scorecard is

1600
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 6: just insane. Mackenzie durn and Ashley Yoder, Kenny, I thought

1601
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 6: was a closer fight. I don't have an issue with

1602
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 6: someone giving this fight to Ashley Yoder, but I got

1603
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 6: to bring it up with you because you're the foremost

1604
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu guy.

1605
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: I know.

1606
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 6: As part of my prep for this fight, I watched

1607
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 6: Mackenzie Dern beat Gabby Garcia in a jiu jitsu competition,

1608
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 6: giving up north of one hundred pounds. Yeah, the first

1609
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 6: thing I'll say, I'll pay two hundred bucks a ticket

1610
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 6: for I'll pay. I mean the next time Mackenzie durn

1611
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 6: and Gabby Garcia want to grapple, I'll fly. I don't

1612
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 6: know if I fly to Abu Dhabi, but I'm gonna

1613
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 6: go a lot.

1614
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1615
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 6: That was an amazing video to watch, and durn outpointed

1616
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 6: Gabby Garcia, Dude, like this chick has got a fire

1617
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 6: and an ability to rise to the occasion. Not unlike

1618
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 6: Sean O'Malley. I think she's a big game player. And again,

1619
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 6: even though there are holes, man, I'm telling you, well,

1620
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 6: I shouldn't be telling you anything about this, but dude,

1621
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 6: she's gonna submit a lot of people.

1622
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah she is.

1623
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 7: She is, and you know, I was impressed with the

1624
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 7: fact that she was able to eat some shots deal

1625
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 7: with a very stubborn Ashley yodert h and word, you

1626
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 7: know what I mean, and continue to press forward and

1627
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 7: look for that submission. She was really looking for it.

1628
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 7: In the end of that third round. She was all

1629
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 7: over Ashley in the third. I thought, I thought Mackenzie

1630
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 7: won the first. I thought Ashley won the second, and

1631
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 7: then I thought Mackenzie won the second the third, so

1632
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 7: I had a two rounds to one for McKenzie. But yeah,

1633
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 7: absolutely we got praise Ashley Yoder for having some stingy

1634
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 7: takedown defense, being able to use her range really well

1635
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 7: in the second round. If she avoided that third round takedown,

1636
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 7: she was gonna win that fight, I thought. But it

1637
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 7: was just that the positional advantages for McKenzie and just

1638
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 7: beating her up on the ground that was the difference

1639
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 7: in that third round, and she didn't get that takedown.

1640
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 7: I think Ashley was gonna win that fight. So very

1641
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 7: impressed with Ashley and how she was able to, you know,

1642
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 7: use her strategy for the majority of that fight. But

1643
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 7: this is a great scenario As I was watching this fight,

1644
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 7: I said to my buddykennedth Cappello, I said, listen, if

1645
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 7: Mackenzie loses this fight or she wins this fight, either way,

1646
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 7: she's gonna learn a lot from this. And the best

1647
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 7: scenario is always to make some mistakes, you know, deal

1648
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 7: with some struggles and still get the win because she's

1649
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 7: gonna realize she needs a clean up her striking, she

1650
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 7: needs to move that head a lot better. But she's

1651
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 7: tough man. She's not afraid to throw down. A lot

1652
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 7: of jiu jitsu practitioners are afraid to get hit. I

1653
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 7: don't think Mackenzie was afraid to get hit there.

1654
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 6: And again she was fighting a south paw, which brought

1655
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 6: her to the brink of tears times in training because

1656
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 6: it was very difficult there switching up in terms of

1657
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 6: what she was trying to do on the feet. But yeah, no,

1658
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 6: I think you put it all perfectly. And as far

1659
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 6: as Ashley OTA's concerned, she's owned three in the UFC,

1660
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 6: but tough matchups. I think she's going to get another

1661
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 6: fight to prove her worth there. At one hundred and

1662
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 6: fifteen pounds, this is definitely definitely the division in which

1663
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 6: Mackenzie durn needs to make a run. I know there

1664
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 6: have been some weight cutting issues, but maybe there's a

1665
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 6: little bit of weight to trim there.

1666
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: But she I don't like her flyweight. I like her

1667
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: very much at strawweight.

1668
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 6: And she might like jiu jitsu more than you, Kenny,

1669
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 6: Like she wants to win the UFC title, defend it,

1670
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 6: and then go back and compete in jiu jitsu. And

1671
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 6: as much as I like watching her fight in MMA,

1672
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 6: I think she might make me a fan of like

1673
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 6: watching Brazilian jiu JITs.

1674
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 7: Well, she's exciting, she's once she's a practitioner that really

1675
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 7: goes for the submission, you know, and a lot of

1676
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 7: you know, of the world class, a lot of the

1677
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 7: champions in j and the jiu jitsu world, they play

1678
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 7: for points, they get an advantage, they get a couple

1679
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 7: of points here and there, and that they're they're satisfied, satisfied.

1680
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 7: Mackenzie Dern she's always been that practitioner who looks for

1681
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 7: the submission from them from the beginning of that fight.

1682
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 7: So that's what I like about McKenzie, and that's why

1683
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 7: she's so kind of beloved by a lot of the

1684
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 7: jiu jitsu practitioners.

1685
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 6: All right, we got about two minutes Alexander Hernandez a

1686
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 6: forty two second knockout of Banil Daryusch, who was the

1687
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 6: number twelve ranked lightweight in the world. Of course, this

1688
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 6: was supposed to be Bobby Green, and dar us just

1689
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: told me he worked so hard that he just he

1690
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 6: wanted to stay on this fight card. Obviously there was

1691
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 6: some risk involved here. Your reaction tells me you certainly

1692
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 6: saw this fight. How about the frame, the chisel frame

1693
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 6: on this Hernandez, and then to go out and do

1694
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 6: that to Banil dar Jusch, Like, that's as good at

1695
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 6: UFC debut at one hundred and fifty five pounds as

1696
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 6: I think I've ever seen.

1697
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he did it against dar Jush. I mean, Daryu,

1698
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 7: she's a stud on the mat. He's a good striker

1699
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 7: with some good experience. Hernandez, I mean the first second

1700
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 7: of that fight, you showed he was going to give

1701
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 7: no respect to dar Usch.

1702
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: He was out there to not win, but to destroy

1703
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 2: dar Usch.

1704
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 7: And for a lot of guys making their debut, they

1705
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 7: kind of want to just go out there and prove

1706
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 7: that they belong. This guy wanted to go out there

1707
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 7: improve that he's a name to watch, and I was

1708
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 7: really impressed with his approach. He went out there to kill.

1709
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 7: He was an absolute assassin. And then the way he

1710
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 7: handled the mic with you after, I mean it seemed

1711
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 7: like he was like, Yeah, this was gonna happen.

1712
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 2: This is what I envision.

1713
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 7: I'm glad I got this result. I wanted to prove

1714
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 7: what kind of fighter I am, and man, this is

1715
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 7: a confident and dangerous dude. My goodness, slipping his head

1716
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 7: off on the center line and throwing that cross right

1717
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 7: down the middle. The kid did his homework. I'm excited

1718
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 7: to see his next fight.

1719
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: I know TJ. Dillashaw one of his heroes. He was

1720
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: switching his stances like TJ. Pretty cool man.

1721
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Speaker 7: These are the guys that these older generational fighters have

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 7: to worry about.

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: No doubt.

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 6: Man and athletically, very gifted obviously. And when I spoke

1725
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 6: to him Tuesday on the phone, dude, he was like, oh,

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Speaker 6: this is a terrible matchup for Daniel. Like but Neil,

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01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 6: he tried to say it with all due respect, He's like, oh,

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01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 6: He's like, hey, man, try to be humble. But I mean,

1729
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 6: these guys much lower than me, Like I moved like

1730
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 6: a thirty five, or I hit like a seventy, or

1731
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 6: I was training for a fight on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the shape of my life.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what you guys think is going to happen,

1734
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 6: but like plus three hundred, you may want to go

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01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 6: to the window because I'm about to starch this kid.

1736
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 6: And then he went out and did all of that

1737
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 6: and it only took him forty two ticks on the clock.

1738
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 6: So a nice win for Alexander Hernandez zach Otto with

1739
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 6: a win over Mike Pile. Obviously we all appreciate the

1740
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 6: forty two year old Mike Pile stepping away after forty

1741
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 6: two professional fights, Cody Staman spoiling the return of Brian Caraway.

1742
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 6: Staman now a contender in the Banda White division in

1743
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 6: John Dodson a little bit limited with what he was

1744
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 6: doing on the feed in terms of the weapons Kenny,

1745
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 6: but he did enough to beat Pedro Munoz.

1746
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Speaker 2: I just would like to see more from Dotson.

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 6: He has never been finished in thirty pro fights, and

1748
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 6: I think sometimes that speaks as much to his style

1749
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 6: and his unwillingness to take risks as it does to

1750
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 6: his masterful footwork and speed, two.

1751
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 7: Things I had it Muno's two rounds to one. I

1752
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 7: thought was going to win because of that very reason

1753
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 7: that you talked about. I didn't think Dotson was busy enough.

1754
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 7: Now here's the problem, Dotson. That was his last fight

1755
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 7: on his contract. And if you're trying to prove to

1756
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 7: the organization that you want to get resigned and get

1757
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 7: resigned for more money, is that the way you want

1758
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 7: to fight?

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 8: Right?

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: Right? No? Fair enough? And that was the last fight

1761
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: on his contract? All right?

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01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 6: Thirty seconds on Chris Cyborg Amanda Nunez because we got

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 6: to at least mention it. I know Megan Anderson went

1764
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 6: on Twitter and tried to sort of inject her name

1765
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,959
Speaker 6: into this conversation. And it doesn't seem like the Pennington

1766
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 6: Nunaz fight has been put to paper necessarily yet, Kenny,

1767
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 6: how ready is Amanda Nunez to move up to featherweight,

1768
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 6: you know, by July to be game against Chris Cyborg?

1769
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 6: And where is your level of enthusiasm for Cyborg versus

1770
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 6: Nunas for.

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01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: Me aside from the Rose nam Unis and you want

1772
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: a young j Check.

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 7: I think this is the biggest and best female fight

1774
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,919
Speaker 7: you can put together in the UFC period. Nunaz Cyborg,

1775
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 7: I think is a fight that needs to happen. You know,

1776
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 7: I tweeted that. I had a bunch of tweets going,

1777
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 7: what are you talking about? Are you going to send

1778
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 7: her against another one hundred and thirty five pounder?

1779
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: Guess what? She's the best fighter available, and she's in

1780
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: pounds exact. She's a man the new Ness, she's big

1781
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: for the division. I don't care.

1782
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 7: It's not about that. Let's say I'm trying to think

1783
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 7: of an example. Okay, there's other one hundred and twenty

1784
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 7: five pounders in there for Demetrius Johnson, but you got

1785
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 7: to get the biggest and best fight, which would be TJ.

1786
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: Dillshaw.

1787
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 7: He's the biggest challenge to Demetrius Johnson, right, So it's

1788
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 7: not about just getting well, why does she fight another

1789
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 7: one hundred and forty five pounder? Is there another one

1790
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 7: hundred and forty five pound ra on this planet right

1791
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 7: now that you think could beat Cyborg? Absolutely not, there's

1792
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 7: one who I think could. Unfortunately, she's one hundred and

1793
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 7: thirty five pounds.

1794
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: That's a man.

1795
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 7: In New News, she's the only person who hits with

1796
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 7: that kind of power she has. She's not a small

1797
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 7: one hundred and thirty five pounder. It's tough for her

1798
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 7: to get down to one hundred and thirty five pounds.

1799
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 7: She should probably be fighting at one hundred and forty

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 7: five pounds. At one hundred and forty anyway. So she

1801
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 7: has the striking, She's a Brazilian jitsu black belt, she

1802
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 7: has the size.

1803
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: Why not?

1804
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 7: I mean, Megan Anderson, I think that's a fight that's

1805
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 7: gonna happen at some point. Is she fighting UFC level

1806
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 7: competition right now? Does she have the experience and the

1807
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 7: skill of a man in Nunez? I don't think so,

1808
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 7: not right now. Is she big for one hundred and

1809
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 7: forty five pounds? Absolutely, And I think it's a fight

1810
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 7: that that that has to happen. But I think right

1811
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 7: now with the UFC in this case, you got to

1812
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 7: strike with the iron's hot and that fight means Nunez

1813
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 7: and Cyborg.

1814
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1815
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 6: No, I agree with all of that. And for me

1816
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 6: and Anderson, she's won her last four. She hasn't fought

1817
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 6: in fourteen months, right, certainly has some size. I haven't

1818
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 6: watched enough film to know enough about her footwork. Like

1819
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 6: Cyborg said to us when we asked her about Yanna,

1820
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 6: She's like, oh, yeah, just you know, I just doesn't

1821
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 6: have the footwork of someone like Holly, you know. And

1822
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 6: as soon as Cyborg said that, like when you ask

1823
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 6: Cyborg competitively about the fight against Kunitskaya, she was trying

1824
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 6: to be respectful, but she was just like, oh, from

1825
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 6: a footwork standpoint, like, this is just very this is

1826
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 6: very rudimentary for me.

1827
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 7: To that point, I want to give credit to Jason Prolo,

1828
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 7: a guy who I had to fight again. I fought

1829
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 7: bj Penn, because Pirillo has really improved Cyborg. You had

1830
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 7: Cyborg who was just physically was always going to be

1831
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 7: superior basically to anyone in that division. But now Piillo

1832
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 7: has turned her into a technician. You look at that

1833
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 7: fight against Holly Holm. She was the more common composed fighter.

1834
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 7: She looked like the pro boxer. Holly Holm looked like

1835
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 7: the less experienced boxer. So for Perillo to be able

1836
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 7: to calm Cyborg down and to let her pick her

1837
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 7: shots and you know, to get more composed as a fighter,

1838
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 7: to get more refined and put that polish on her,

1839
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 7: that was the missing ingredient that Cyborg needed, and I

1840
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 7: think you know, they're just very few with I'm gonna

1841
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 7: understand footwork and angles like Cyborg now because of the

1842
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 7: training of Jason Pirillo.

1843
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 6: In my opinion, Yeah, my twenty seventeen Anne Implorian Podcast

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Speaker 6: Award winner of the Robert fallis Kornerman of the Year

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Speaker 6: Jason Pirillo. He's worked wonders with not just Chris but

1846
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 6: Bizzing halfey El Dosanzos. And I'm glad you mentioned Nenez

1847
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 6: as a big bandam weight because as you were talking

1848
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 6: before you said it, I wrote down, like you think

1849
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 6: Amanda Nunez likes cut into one hundred and thirty five pounds,

1850
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 6: like she wants this Cyborg fight not just because it's

1851
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 6: a massive payday, because she thinks she can beat her

1852
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 6: and she wants the biggest fights.

1853
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 7: Right, She's probably the only female on the planet who

1854
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 7: could who can.

1855
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 6: It's just tricky because we do have may in Rio

1856
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 6: de Janeiro, right, And I would almost guarantee you that

1857
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 6: if Amanda Noonaz. I know it's a quick turn for

1858
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 6: Cyborg who would like to fight in July, But I

1859
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 6: can almost guarantee you for Amanda noon as if she's

1860
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 6: gonna fight Chris for the UFC Women's featherweight title, she

1861
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 6: would like the time to get to July, to put

1862
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 6: on some muscle mass and physically try to put herself

1863
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 6: in the best position fight we to. Yeah, I think

1864
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 6: it makes some sense, but no headliner getting rio, so

1865
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 6: we'll see how it all plays out. All right, good

1866
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 6: stuff today as we try to help immortalize our man

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Speaker 6: Bruce Connell and recap UFC two twenty two. Thank you

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Speaker 6: to our guest Brian Stan, Ray Longo Anthony Giordano. Next

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Speaker 6: week's show, as we mentioned, gonna be Wednesday, March fourteen,

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Speaker 6: I will preview UFC Fight Night Verdom versus Volcab and

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Speaker 6: then we're also to begin in our three week look

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Speaker 6: at UFC two to twenty three Ferguson versus kyb BIB.

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Speaker 6: When we get a big fight like this, we're going

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Speaker 6: to spend three or four shows on it, at least

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Speaker 6: in some capacity, So tune in for that next week.

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