1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia for this Wednesday, February one 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: in Hong Kong, Tuesday, January thirty one in New York 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and coming up this hour, US stocks rise on optimism 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: over cooling inflation ahead of the FITS rate decision tomorrow. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Snap says it will experience its first ever decline in 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: quarterly revenue, and Indian billionaire Guatama Donnie pulls off at 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: two and a half billion dollar equity sale for his 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: flagship company India and US deepen Defense and Tech ties. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: US has no plans for F sixteens to Ukraine, US 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: losing naval edge to China, and end of Pacific new 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: grant to New York for the Hudson Tunnel project. I'm 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: at Baxter with Global News. A surprise club moves on 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: to the final of the Caraball Cup. On Dan Schwartzman, 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: I'll have that story mark coming up in Bloomberg's boards. 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia on Bloomberg 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: eleven three on New York, Bloomberg, Washington, d C, Bloomberg 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: one or six one Boston, Bloomberg nine sixty, San Francisco, 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Sirius XM one nineteen and around the world on Bloomberg 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and via the Bloomberg Business app. Good morning, 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm Dead Prisoner, and I'm Brian Curtis. Here are the 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: stories we're following today. Advanced micro Devices giving a better 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: than feared sales forecast for the first quarter. More from 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett. A m D is the second largest 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: maker of computer processors, and gains in the lucrative server 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: market helped make up for a collapse in demand for 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: PC chips. A m D said revenue will be as 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: much as five point six billion dollars in the period. Analysts, 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: on average had predicted five point five six billion, with 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: estimates coming in as low as five billion, though a 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: less severe drop than expected. The outlook represents the company's 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: first year over year quarterly sales decline since ending a 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: growth street that elevated a m D into the upper 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: ranks of the chip industry in New York. Charlie Pellett, 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak, Asian. All right, Charlie, thank you well. We 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: also heard after the bell from the social media company Snap. 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: It is forecasting its first ever decline in quarterly revenue 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: somewhere in the vicinity of two to ten. Snap said 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: it's due to changes primarily for the company's direct response 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: AD business, and Bloomberg's men Deep Singh tells us this 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: could be a sign of things to come. Their user 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: growth continues to be steady. The problem is that ad 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: pricing had been is so strong right now for pretty 43 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: much all these companies. So how wouldn't be surprised if 44 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: you see a similar print from Meta or Alphabet day 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: after tomorrow. So we're seeing Snap shares down as much 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: as six in the late U S session. By the way, 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: this stock has lost nearly two thirds of its value 48 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: in the twelve months through tuesday's close. Well, tomorrow we 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: get our first FED rate decision of the year. Bloomberg's 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Michael McKee has a preview for the Fed and Chairman 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: j Powell. The task boils down to raise rates, signal 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: no policy pivot yet, and hope the markets believe them. 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: Investors generally think the Central Bank will raise rates a 54 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: quarter percentage point now and again in March, but then 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: stop by November. Futures markets say they'll be cutting rates. 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: That's not a good look for Powell and company, who 57 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: worry inflation isn't beaten yet and with China reopening could 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: flare again. So expect the FED statement and Powell in 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: his news conference to recognize the outlook has improved, but 60 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: push back on any thought that means a change in policy. Yet. 61 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: Michael McKay Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, Well, the Indian billionaire Guatama 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: Donny has pulled off a closely watched equity sale for 63 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: his flagship company. It was valued at two and a 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: half billion dollars. This offering, by A Donny Enterprises was 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: India's largest follow on share sale. It was fully subscribed 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: on the final day of bidding thanks to some last 67 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: minute to man from institutional investors. It offered a bit 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: of relief for Adanni after his empire was rocked earlier 69 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: by allegations of fraud from the short seller Hindenburg Research. 70 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Now we are hearing members of the Adani group were 71 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: asked to regularly brief global and domestic investors to ease 72 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: the concerns raised in the Hindenburg report. Even so, Bloomberg's 73 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: PR sun Jay tells US investors are still concerned. The 74 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: suggests definitely not over because one simple research which alleged 75 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: corruption money laundering has taken issues to just men from 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the top would stopped the just list and he is. 77 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: It is also wiped off around over seventy million dollars 78 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: of Adani conglomerate, the port to Power conglomerate. So the 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: fact that this offering was fully subscribed removes, I guess 80 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: you could say one overhang for India's three point two 81 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: trillion dollar stock market. Now, the benchmark sensex eke sed 82 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: out gains over the past two days. That was after 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: tumbling though last week when those allegation of fraud first surfaced. 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: Right well, a new rivalry dug could be emerging between 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: the world's richest and second richest persons. As Bloomberg's Denise 86 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: Pellogreeni reports, a company associated with Bernard Arno has struck 87 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: a deal with a competitor to Elon Musk and Tesla. 88 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Electric vehicle maker Lotus Technology has agreed to merge with 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: L Catterton Asia acquisition. You might not have heard of 90 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: either of these companies, but their backers are huge. Lotus 91 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: Tech is owned by China auto giant jang Gili and 92 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: as several all electric vehicles supposed to come on the market. 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: Catterton merged with the private equity operations of our nose 94 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: LVMH in sixteen. Now through this new spec deal between 95 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Lotus Tech and Caterton, Lotus goes public and Gelie is 96 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: expected to remain a major shareholder. Denise Pelllygreeni Bloomberg Day 97 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Break Asia. Well, one of the interesting things we've been 98 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: seeing from the earnings, Dug has been probably what we 99 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: should see a lot of companies going in a lot 100 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: of different directions in terms of a unifying theme. It's 101 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: a great question to put to our guests. The only 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: thing I would say is these plunging prices in memory 103 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: chips making it very tough for some of the chip makers. 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: Ski is the latest most definitely. And before I let 105 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you go, I want to bring up the issue around 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: Caterpillar because the company is seeing weaker demand in China 107 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: and rising cost as well. Now cats benchmark for China 108 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: demand is the excavator market. But I'm wondering whether or 109 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: not that's the best metric, Brian, whether the recovery in 110 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: China is going to be about construction rather than another 111 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: segment of the economy. Yeah, it's a very good point. 112 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: A Dug I think many are expecting a consumer lead 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: rebound in China this year, and it's hard to imagine 114 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: a direct line from that to Caterpillar unless unless you 115 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: think that confident consumers would be really good for the 116 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: property market, and that of course would be positive for 117 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: Caterpillar in its relationship with the developers. Something that we 118 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: can talk about with our guests. Coming up in a 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: few moments, we will be talking with Dave Sakara, chief 120 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: US market strategist at morning Star. Now it's time for 121 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: Global News. Well, India and the United States are deepening 122 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: their defense and tech ties and there's a big push 123 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: for partnerships. Here. Ed back to with Global News in 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: the newsman San Francisco ed, Yeah, exactly right, Brian. The 125 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: deals will include advanced defense and computing technology. This is 126 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is seeking to move New Delhi away 127 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: from Russia and to hurry up efforts to counter China's 128 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: advances as well. The plan will be known as the 129 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: U S India Initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies. US 130 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan says today that Beijing's aggressive 131 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: military moves and economic practices have had a proud profound 132 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: impact on the thinking in Delhi and other capitals around 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: the world. He says that China Russia factors are real. 134 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden says the US has no plans 135 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: to send F sixteen warplanes to Ukraine. Bloomberg's and Marie 136 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Hordern says the U S is not alone. It's not 137 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: just the U S that is saying no one fighter 138 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: jets is the United Kingdom and it's Germany. But Ukraine 139 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: has been pushing for them, with the Deputy Farm Minister 140 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: taking to Twitter saying without these fighter jets, we cannot 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: secure our skies. And Anne Marie says of history as 142 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: a teacher, this is not the final answer, though no 143 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: has turned to yes on a number of occasions, witnessed 144 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: the Abrams tanks issue and eur Asia group Fonder and 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: President Ian Bremer says attitudes may change as the one 146 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: year anniversary of the Russian invasion years. He says, take 147 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: those tanks, as the Ukrainians have been effective on the ground, 148 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: and as the Russians have escalated, perhaps less than some 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: have feared. Um, there's there's just been incrementally greater willingness 150 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: to support Ukraine. Yah Bremer says a more aid, more 151 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: success breeds more aids, so that maybe the path that 152 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: it takes you. As a government accountability office, as US 153 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: warships are saying fewer days at sea since it says 154 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: more breaking down more frequently than expected and taking longer 155 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: to repair, it says this is of concern as a 156 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Pentagon struggles to catch up with China's larger naval fleet. 157 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden in New York City today as 158 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: his rail week tour continues. He's formally announcing a two 159 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: ninety two million dollars in grants to improve the long 160 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: awaited Hudson Tunnel project. Problem anywhere along the line means 161 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: the lays up and down the East Coast for folks 162 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: trying to get to work, businesses trying to ship goods, 163 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: travelers trying to get to see their families. Yeah. Biden 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: says this will improve reliability for the two hundred thousand 165 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: weekday passengers traveling to and from Manhattan on Amtrak and 166 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: New Jersey Transit, and the U. S Secretary of State 167 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: Anthony B. Lincoln has visited the West Bank for discussions 168 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: with Palestinian President Mak mood A bus Now Lincoln says 169 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: the rising tensions in the area have to be cooled off, 170 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: and then the United States committed to working towards art 171 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: enduring goal of ensuring that Palestinians and Israelis enjoy equal 172 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: measures freedom, security, opportunity, justice, indignity. Blanken repeated that there 173 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: are two arrangement best for the Middle East going forward. 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Global News powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists 175 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: and analysts and over one twenty countries. I'm at Baxter 176 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg 177 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Day Break Asia. I'm Brian Curtis along with Rishade Salam, 178 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: and our guest is Dave Sakara, chief US market strategist 179 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: at Morning Start. Dave, you probably heard Doug and I 180 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: musing there about unifying themes in the earnings. Are you 181 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: seeing anything that you can really get behind here? Well, 182 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, other than a few misses like Intel, I 183 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: don't think fourth quarter earnings in the US generally have 184 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: really been, you know, that bad, although a lot of 185 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: management commentary certainly has been discussing how the economy slowed 186 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: at December and was continuing into early you know. More importantly, 187 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: I think it's just the guidance for the beginning of 188 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: generally been softer than expected due to a macro economic slowdown. 189 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I think pretty much everyone is expecting in the US. 190 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: What I'm seeing in the markets is that, you know, 191 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: many of these stocks initially sell off following that lowered guidance, 192 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: but then we end up seeing those stocks, you know, 193 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: trade up over the course of the next trading day. 194 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: So I think that may indicate the markets already accounting 195 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: for that near term economic weakness. And I think if 196 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: you look at your Microsoft over the past couple of 197 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: days since their earnings, I think that's that's a prime example. 198 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: So I think this does end up supporting you our 199 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: contention that we do think that the US markets are undervalued. However, 200 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: I do think there are still a couple of different 201 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: headwinds that the markets are going to have to face 202 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: over the first half of this year, you know, before 203 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: we can really continue to have a sustainable rally up 204 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: towards what we think intrinsic value for the markets are 205 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Dave earnings at the moment supportively the rally that we've 206 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: been seeing. You know, I don't think it's so much 207 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: that the market is really looking at you know, the 208 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: earnings in the fourth quarter. I think, really people are 209 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: trying to understand the path of the economy in the 210 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: US this year. So I know, we expect, you know, 211 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: the economy is going to be pretty stagnant here at 212 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: morning Star, you know, we're looking for you know, first 213 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: quarter GDP to be down a little bit under one 214 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: percent and second quarter GDP to be down about four 215 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: tons of a percent before it starts to recover in 216 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: the second half of the year. So I think the 217 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: markets are really trying to get a gauge on, you know, 218 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of the intrinsic value of the firm in light 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: of seeing you know, probably some short term earnings pressure 220 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: before things start getting better in the second half of 221 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the year. And in our view, you know, we still 222 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: think after this rally, the market is about ten percent 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: under valued. But until I think we kind of get 224 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: through and start seeing leading economic indicators get better, you know, 225 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: this spring, I think we're probably towards the top of 226 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: a near term trading range. A moment ago, you mentioned 227 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: that there were a couple of challenges this year. I 228 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: know you've touched a little bit on them, but for 229 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: our audience, can you codify them just briefly, what all 230 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: those two major challenges. Well, for me, I think, you know, 231 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: in the first half of the year, it's the stagnant 232 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: economy and you know, potentially a recession and that's certainly 233 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: gonna weigh on near term earnings. And as you mentioned 234 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: your earlier news show, we do have the FED coming 235 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: out their interest rate decision tomorrow, so you know, we 236 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: fully expect they'll raise twenty five basis points and on 237 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: the markets pricing in another twenty five basis points. So 238 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: we'll be listening to FED Chair Powell following the f 239 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: OMC meeting really to try and gauge, you know, just 240 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: how hawkish he's going to really try and be, and 241 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: that certainly can impact the sentiment as well. And then 242 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: also you know, personally, I'm not too worried about it, 243 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: but we will have you know that that ceiling fight, 244 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, ramping up over the next couple of months, 245 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: so that could dampen you near term sentiment in the 246 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: markets as well. Give me a sense of how geopolitics 247 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: and the continuing pressure on technology between Beijing and Washington 248 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: is playing into strategy of rule and playing into markets. 249 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: Do you think at the moment, people being a little 250 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: bit sanguine and perhaps not really dealing with this as 251 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: seriously as they would now. I mean, the market is 252 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: certainly paying attention to, you know, the geopolitical issues, and 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: I think, as you mentioned, we're seeing that play out, 254 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, over time in the technology sector. But you know, 255 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: the technology sector was one of the worst performing you know, 256 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: last year. Now granted we thought, you know, at the 257 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: beginning of two is one of the more overvalued sectors, 258 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: but we think the tonology sector, the pendulum has swung, 259 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, too far the downside. We're actually seeing that 260 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: sector being about ten percent under value today, and we 261 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: do see a lot of opportunities and I think looking 262 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: at you a m D after hours today, you know, 263 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: that was a stock that we rated, you know, four stars. 264 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: It was trading at the thirty seven percent discount to 265 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: our fair value, and we're seeing you know, just kind 266 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: of that movement upwards as those numbers are coming out 267 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: better than expected. Yeah, it's up one point five percent 268 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: after hours, and it jumped to three point seven percent 269 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: in the regular session. Caterpillar's comments about China interested me. 270 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Caterpillar has been trading at an all time high, 271 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: not not just fifty two week high, but in all 272 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: time high. And it came down pretty sharply here just 273 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: in the last little period of time, and today was 274 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: down three and a half percent. But a lot of 275 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: that was I think investors front running the reopening of China. 276 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: Then we got the reopening, and now the CEO says 277 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: we see sluggish three. I mean, it does give you 278 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of pause for thought when you think 279 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: about China. What are you thinking about China? Well, you know, 280 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: Caterpillar specifically is actually one of those industrial socks we 281 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: think has actually moved up, you know, too far. We 282 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: currently rate the stock, you know, two stars. You know, 283 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: it's trading at a thirty three percent premium, you know, 284 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: to our fair value. But I think, you know, thinking 285 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: about China and how that impacts, you know, the US markets. 286 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm also really concerned about, you know, whether that reopening, 287 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, could cause any kind of inflation to start 288 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: coming back. And I've talked to our US economics team 289 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: about that several points. And you know, at this point, 290 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: we do think the inflation in the US will continue 291 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: to keep moderating over the course of the year. We're 292 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: looking for inflation here in the US to get down 293 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: to an average two point eight percent this year and 294 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: in fact continue to subside to below two. So as 295 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: long as we're on you know that course, you know, 296 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the China reopening is going to have 297 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: negative effects and in fact should have more positive effects 298 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: for the U S sentiment. 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