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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of you really teed me up. There is
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the Democratic Party that are
Speaker 2: very mad at the DNC and Ken Martin right now
Speaker 2: as they withhold their autopsy report.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, here's the poor Democratic Coms Director said.
Speaker 1: By the way, I know this woman, she's fine, but
Speaker 1: like I like what she said on Twitter because you
Speaker 1: know that everyone is full on freaking out about this.
Speaker 1: Let's stop looking back, Let's look forward and continue winning. No, honey,
Speaker 1: we gotta look back. Dan Pfeiffer said, this is a
Speaker 1: bad decision that reeks of caution and complacency that brought
Speaker 1: us this moment. He's right, even Democrats, this is such
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. This is such a bad idea. And
Speaker 1: I would like to point out that when Martin won
Speaker 1: the campaign to become DNC chair this year, he pledged
Speaker 1: to conduct a review. So this is so bad and
Speaker 1: stupid and shortsighted.
Speaker 2: It seems like the popular theory is that this is
Speaker 2: to protect the consultants because it's going to show how
Speaker 2: useless all the money spent on them was, particularly allegations
Speaker 2: from David Hogg, who is a part of the DNC
Speaker 2: for a very brief amount of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Hogg. Again, it's just terrible. This guy has
Speaker 1: such problems already, people are mad at him. It's just
Speaker 1: an insane way to do it. It's a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: I do not think that this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: I think it's terribly stupid and short sighted and a
Speaker 1: huge mistake. I don't think it makes any sense. It's
Speaker 1: really bad.
Speaker 2: So the Trump administration has set a goal to denaturalize
Speaker 2: thousands of US citizens in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: It's so trumpy and crazy because it's like, this is
Speaker 1: so stupid. It's going to be a total nightmare for
Speaker 1: them legally. But you know, it's part of it is
Speaker 1: just you know, they want people to be scared. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like the kind of thing they love. Setting
Speaker 1: a quota for denaturalization is vicious and cruel and designed
Speaker 1: to send a message of fear it's just so stupid
Speaker 1: and it's what they do always in this admin. What
Speaker 1: do you think about this, Jesse?
Speaker 2: What we've seen this week is a very new thing
Speaker 2: with Ice, which is there is so many headlines of accusations,
Speaker 2: there's a death and a nice facility in new work.
Speaker 2: So what I think now we're moving to is they're
Speaker 2: going to try to see if they can do the
Speaker 2: more aggressive but polite maneuverings to reach these psychotic immigration
Speaker 2: was because Stephen Miller's thirst for cleansing America of anyone
Speaker 2: not as pale as them must go on.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's also but it's like it's stupid because
Speaker 1: it's not popular. People are going to be so mad
Speaker 1: about this. It's just so stupid. It just doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense to me. It's just moronic and gross. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to work, and it's like so
Speaker 1: little bang for the buck. There are real problems in
Speaker 1: this world. It's just stupid, and I think they're going
Speaker 1: to have real problems with this, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to work. I don't see a way through this.
Speaker 1: Like it's not going to work. They're going to end
Speaker 1: up with lots of you know, lawsuits and lawyers and
Speaker 1: angry people, and it's just stupid, Like it doesn't get
Speaker 1: anywhere it's going to be. It's like if they wanted
Speaker 1: to deport lots of people, this is not the way
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know things are going well and you're
Speaker 2: really a competent, competent government that's acting with respect to
Speaker 2: the law. When you get a headline like this, top
Speaker 2: lawyer for military joint Chiefs told Chairman that officers should
Speaker 2: retire if faced with an unlawful order.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal, request to retire and refrain from resigning
Speaker 1: in protests, which could be seen as a political act
Speaker 1: or picking a fight to get fired. These are different
Speaker 1: ways to deal with getting an unlawful order. I think
Speaker 1: that we should pull back and wonder why we're spending
Speaker 1: so much time talking about what to do when someone
Speaker 1: asks you to do something illegal, right, Like, we are
Speaker 1: spending so much time on this because we know that
Speaker 1: this administration is doing a lot of illegal stuff. And
Speaker 1: I think that's really important to realize. It's like, you
Speaker 1: don't have conversations like this if things are normal. You
Speaker 1: have conversations like this when things are not normal, When
Speaker 1: you have a military that is scared and vaguely under siege.
Speaker 1: So I think that that is really important when we
Speaker 1: talk about this, is just to talk about how this
Speaker 1: is the product of living in a lawless society. And
Speaker 1: it sucks. It's so incredibly it's stupid and it's bad,
Speaker 1: and it's also quite scary, you know.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, then these checks and balances are here
Speaker 2: for a reason, and you know, we have laws and
Speaker 2: order around this stuff, so we don't do reckless shit
Speaker 2: that gets Americans.
Speaker 1: Killed, right, And that's where we are. And so it's
Speaker 1: just stupid. And it's not even that it's stupid, it's
Speaker 1: that it's scary. It's dangerous. It's like what happens when
Speaker 1: you're you're like, you've transitioned from a democracy to an
Speaker 1: authoritarian regime, so in such short order, and so we
Speaker 1: we find ourselves in this situation and it's so incredibly
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say that it's shitty. It
Speaker 1: just shows how far we are from how things are
Speaker 1: supposed to be.
Speaker 2: So our long national nightmare, and by long, I mean
Speaker 2: well over a year is over, and the TikTok sale
Speaker 2: is complete, and Larry Ellison's oracle will now be the
Speaker 2: controlling partner in it, which means I think TikTok is
Speaker 2: going to burd to the ground.
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to get a lot of gaz.
Speaker 2: At the contents.
Speaker 1: My guessing you're gonna stop seeing the war in Gaza.
Speaker 1: My guess is you're going to start to see a
Speaker 1: lot of like why is IDF so great content?
Speaker 2: There's a great joke that actress Odessa's zion his career
Speaker 2: has really ascended right now after her star turn on
Speaker 2: I Love New York, but that she's about to lose
Speaker 2: her entire career because no one's gonna be allowed to
Speaker 2: say the word zion anymore on TikTok. Yep, that may
Speaker 2: very well be true anyway. To be serious, for people
Speaker 2: who don't understand this, it is very very well known
Speaker 2: that Larry Ellison, who's Oracle, is very zealous and a
Speaker 2: lot of people have already seen signs that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of censorship happening on the app. And Larry Ellison
Speaker 2: just loves mister Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does, And I mean Larry Ellison loves mister Trump,
Speaker 1: and mister Trump has done a lot for Larry Ellison,
Speaker 1: who even knows what they're going to do with all
Speaker 1: of this. This is where we are. Since there's no
Speaker 1: regulation for technology in this country at all. We have
Speaker 1: no idea what he's going to do to the algorithm.
Speaker 1: We have no idea what we see, why we see it,
Speaker 1: how we see it. It's just going to create a
Speaker 1: very not transparent world.
Speaker 2: So, Molly, I have a feeling that what you asked
Speaker 2: for for Hanukkah was for these Epstein files to be released,
Speaker 2: and I regret to tell you they're not fully released,
Speaker 2: and they're very redacted.
Speaker 1: They are not fully released. They are very redacted. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not even just read to me what we have
Speaker 1: because I think it's all just blank pages.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Everything I'm seeing being people saying on the internet is
Speaker 2: that it is basically what we got from the Kennedy files,
Speaker 2: but worse.
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Speaker 1: American Democracy. We are killing it discuss.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't even know where do we begin.
Speaker 1: I don't either where do we begin.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit of like a minor thing,
Speaker 4: but I think it's very indicative, which is the hall
Speaker 4: of fame that is in the White House with these
Speaker 4: clacks and Donald Trump, you know, like I guess it
Speaker 4: shows you that he is not actually as sleepy and
Speaker 4: as out of it as he might appear, because he
Speaker 4: apparently wrote many of these clacks. There's a go go
Speaker 4: in doing the White House whichever remind people is the
Speaker 4: people's house it is. It belongs to the citizens of
Speaker 4: the United States. And there's a you know, you see
Speaker 4: photographs and paintings of the president, and for Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: they have a photograph from an auto pan. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's there's a long plaque, plaque and.
Speaker 3: Hideous.
Speaker 4: Do you want to read it like because you apply
Speaker 4: it's been verified that like Donald Trump wrote these things.
Speaker 4: I want to just say, like the Biden thing is
Speaker 4: very funny. I want to see what Donald Trump has
Speaker 4: to say about Millard Fillmore or of the nineteenth century presidents.
Speaker 1: Does he weigh in on Millard Fillmore. Let's say, I.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that yet. But I mean read the
Speaker 4: Biden one.
Speaker 1: READI the Biden one. Sleepy. Joe Biden was comma, by
Speaker 1: far kamma the worst president in American history period. We've
Speaker 1: heard him say that line. Yeah, by the way, even
Speaker 1: if you are the biggest partisan going and then there
Speaker 1: is a picture of an auto pen two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty twenty five, even if even if
Speaker 1: you were to say like you were such a partisan,
Speaker 1: I don't see any world in which Joe Biden is
Speaker 1: the worst president.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, but I mean this is this is
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the plex everach thing is the
Speaker 4: view of his American history from the point of view
Speaker 4: of Donald Do you want to go on? But I mean,
Speaker 4: I think people will get the kind.
Speaker 1: Of just event taking office as a result of the
Speaker 1: most corrupt election ever seen in the United States, by
Speaker 1: oversaw a series of unprecedented disasters that brought our nation
Speaker 1: to the brink of destruction. His policies caused the highest
Speaker 1: inflation ever recorded. That is demonstrably not true, leading the
Speaker 1: US dollar to lose more than twenty percent of its
Speaker 1: value in four years. Also not true, his Green new scam,
Speaker 1: which never passed surrendered American energy dominance and by abolishing
Speaker 1: the southern border again at best, hyperbolic, at worst, a
Speaker 1: lie Biden led twenty one million people from all over
Speaker 1: the world. I like the world. I like the odd
Speaker 1: capitalisationac right pour into the United States comma, including from prisons, jails,
Speaker 1: and mental institutions and insane asylums period.
Speaker 4: Quite at statement. Yeah, And the thing I want to
Speaker 4: like maybe emphasize is that this is like a government
Speaker 4: funded thing, Like this is like a public thing and
Speaker 4: a kind of institution which you know, like it's it's
Speaker 4: a bit closes off now, partially because of the construction,
Speaker 4: partially because of security concerns, but actually, you know, the
Speaker 4: White House, you know, it's the people, though it belongs
Speaker 4: to the American people, and you have like you know,
Speaker 4: this devented uh trump lulatic Trump version of history, and
Speaker 4: I mean it goes to the whole like you know,
Speaker 4: remodeling of destruction really.
Speaker 3: Of the East wing.
Speaker 4: But he's really treating the White House, the you know,
Speaker 4: the Presidency as his own personal hobby, uh you know,
Speaker 4: like as if like he's a businessman and this is
Speaker 4: his private corporation, family health corporation, and he could do
Speaker 4: what he wants. I mean, what's interesting is I actually
Speaker 4: think a lot of this stuff does kind of like
Speaker 4: resonate with people where there's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: like a dawning sense even about like you know, people
Speaker 4: are conservative and might devoted for Trump, like you know, wait,
Speaker 4: he's supposed to be the president of the United States.
Speaker 4: You know, he's not supposed to be. Actually, I also
Speaker 4: something that's why the you know, the horrible post about
Speaker 4: Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle as he resonated with
Speaker 4: a lot of people, because I think there is a
Speaker 4: kind of sense in which, like you know, even much
Speaker 4: more so than ever, Trump is not behaving like like
Speaker 4: a public figure, like someone you know, who was elected
Speaker 4: like to serve and serve like the broader public. And
Speaker 4: so I think that that is interesting, like the way
Speaker 4: in which I you know, it took a long time,
Speaker 4: it took you know, this should have been so many
Speaker 4: of us, was obvious even before he was president. But actually,
Speaker 4: like it's it's been interesting to see how this resonates.
Speaker 2: I think, like in.
Speaker 4: Part because he's a little bit unchecked, because he has
Speaker 4: a lot of enablers around him for the second term,
Speaker 4: but he is actually, you know, like he's got to
Speaker 4: the point where even people who support him, this stuff
Speaker 4: isn't being hidden from them. They can actually see it,
Speaker 4: and they actually draw the kind of logical conclusion which
Speaker 4: is like, you know, like I voted for this guy
Speaker 4: so he could like break down prices and that's what's happening,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, and foreign wars, he's just like all
Speaker 4: this massive vanity project.
Speaker 1: Speaking of ending foreign wars, this has been a bad
Speaker 1: week for ending foreign wars, partially because we seem like
Speaker 1: we're in a position to start a foreign war in
Speaker 1: the Caribbean Sea because and I'm quoting Chris Murphy here
Speaker 1: who said, not only are they not bringing in fentanyl,
Speaker 1: it's cocaine that's going to Europe.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, there's yeah, No, I mean the trumble versition,
Speaker 4: their whole claim. There's a little bit. There's a Washington
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal article, which is one of the bad
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal articles that seems like an obvious right
Speaker 4: wing scamp but saying that like there's a cocaine that's
Speaker 4: being sent to Europe to fun by g HOTI groups
Speaker 4: and then going to Europe. And I have to say, like,
Speaker 4: you know, like if you're America first, Like, why is.
Speaker 2: That your problem?
Speaker 4: Let's deal with that, you know, you know, like it
Speaker 4: doesn't evolve the un It's like alcohol. And also it's
Speaker 4: also nonsense.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, it's nonsense, agreed, if you're America. First,
Speaker 1: why are we stopping cocaine in the Caribbean? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Going to Europe? I mean it goes to a larger
Speaker 4: issue of like I mean, it is a war on
Speaker 4: drugs wrapped up, And the only thing I'll say about
Speaker 4: it on a policy term is, you know, the word
Speaker 4: on drugs was started under Richard Nixon, the creation of
Speaker 4: DA And one way to measure its success is the
Speaker 4: price of drugs and the price of cocaine and of
Speaker 4: like many other drugs, is what's lower now, Like it's
Speaker 4: the most successful anti inflation program the United States has
Speaker 4: ever carried out, is the war on drugs because like
Speaker 4: you know, like in the early seventies, you have to
Speaker 4: be fairly wealthy to get cocaine.
Speaker 1: You have to like, yeah, you know, right, baby, the drug.
Speaker 3: Of the elite.
Speaker 4: I believe you or your mom might have even written
Speaker 4: some novels about this.
Speaker 1: But I might have written some novels about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but now it's not the drug of the elite
Speaker 4: because it's actually like eighty ninety percent lower now than
Speaker 4: it was in nineteen seventy three. So in my mind,
Speaker 4: this kind of indicates that the war on drugs actually
Speaker 4: has not worked, and that to double down on it
Speaker 4: and to use American form fellasy. I mean, Azzie shows
Speaker 4: the fraudulence of all. This is not really about drugs.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever been about drugs. It's about
Speaker 4: the assertion of American power and hedgemony. And the other
Speaker 4: thing is like nothing they're doing by their own accounts
Speaker 4: makes sense. Because I'm sure you have talked about this before.
Speaker 4: But you know, there's an interview or multiple interviews in
Speaker 4: Vanity Fair by Susie Wilds.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That yeah, and she she says, I mean, she said
Speaker 4: something very interesting about the book in the cribbon. She
Speaker 4: said that this is like actually designed to make Dureau
Speaker 4: cry uncle. And she says, you know, like people above
Speaker 4: my pay grade think it'll work, which is what you
Speaker 4: say when you think, like, actually, this is what does
Speaker 4: actually make any sense at all? You know, like Marco
Speaker 4: Ruby wants it because it does he does not make
Speaker 4: any sense at all. That like blowing up these ships
Speaker 4: or even I think it's actually like the policy in Venezuela,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not quite positive, Like i'd really like a
Speaker 4: little and terrified if I thought, like, is it possible
Speaker 4: that Trump thinks that like a ground war in Venezuela
Speaker 4: is a good idea. But you know, like this, this
Speaker 4: is actually like Venezuela is not like you know, Grenada,
Speaker 4: like it's it is like a nation with an actual
Speaker 4: air force, with an actual military that is aligned, you know,
Speaker 4: with Madero, with people who even if Maduro left, benefited
Speaker 4: greatly from the nationalization of oil and you know, would
Speaker 4: resent the stated policy the United States covered up Trump,
Speaker 4: which is who you know, the oil belongs to us,
Speaker 4: the oil of the United States and America is gonna
Speaker 4: take it back, Like like I actually don't now, but
Speaker 4: I think that what Trump and has been sold on
Speaker 4: this is the idea like Madero is like it's a
Speaker 4: house of cards. You just scare them enough, you blow
Speaker 4: up a few votes, you send the armada down there,
Speaker 4: and he's gonna crumble. And I don't think he's gonna crumble.
Speaker 4: And the real danger is that like this will keep
Speaker 4: escalating and you know, you could have some sort of
Speaker 4: like accident or triggering event, a Gulf of Tolkien type event,
Speaker 4: which actually does lead to a serious work. Because I
Speaker 4: don't think Trump wants an invasion of might not necessarily
Speaker 4: one invasion of Venzuela. But Marco Rubio, I don't know it,
Speaker 4: doesn't believe in this, but she wants to facilitate it,
Speaker 4: because that's.
Speaker 1: Her, because she's a facilitator. It is such an interesting moment.
Speaker 1: And I also think that what is interesting about watching
Speaker 1: these guys is that Trump did run yes on ending
Speaker 1: foreign wars. I mean, I know, ending foreign wars and
Speaker 1: making things two things that he seems expressly uninterested in doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah that he's president.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, And it's actually like, you know, to give
Speaker 4: it credit, it's actually causing like tensions within the MAGA coalition.
Speaker 4: I mean, in the case of Venezuela, like like actually,
Speaker 4: you know, like the American public is overwhelmed, like I
Speaker 4: guess said, and including like Republicans, like nobody wants this,
Speaker 4: and but people also, people like Tucker Carlton are speaking
Speaker 4: out against it, you know, like not my favorite guy
Speaker 4: by any means, but like Trump is actually I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, you really do if you paid attention to
Speaker 4: right wing media. There's a lot of people who are saying, like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this is what we wanted. You know,
Speaker 4: this is not doing we didn't actually like you know,
Speaker 4: wam the zonked out vanity president who's like you know,
Speaker 4: just wants to have these plaques and basically do a
Speaker 4: defolition of the White House to turn it into like
Speaker 4: a Trump product, while you know, like letting his like
Speaker 4: crazy underlings lead America into like more wars. This isn't
Speaker 4: what we signed up for. And so as actually I
Speaker 4: think like politically, like as dire as things are, and
Speaker 4: this is like you know, the end of the air.
Speaker 4: But actually, like you know, you see a lot of
Speaker 4: signs of crack up, and I think that's good. I
Speaker 4: actually think that the sort of you know crack up
Speaker 4: on the right, you know, the fact that the you know,
Speaker 4: they need to keep bringing out Charlie Kirk, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to just talk about like this Maga
Speaker 1: cracking because I think that is really the under reporting
Speaker 1: story of the week, which is the House is a
Speaker 1: great example of watching MAGA cracking. So the Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House, Mike Johnson, she has completely lost control of
Speaker 1: the situation once again, multiple discharge petitions, including one from
Speaker 1: Leader Hakim Jeffries, who I like to be critical of,
Speaker 1: but he offers a clean extension of Obamacare premium tax
Speaker 1: cut for three years, puts it on the House as
Speaker 1: a discharge petition. It's going to have Republican votes now,
Speaker 1: and in fact, Mike Johnson gets so agitated that what happens,
Speaker 1: he sends everyone home his favorite Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no exactly, Yeah no. I mean, like I
Speaker 4: I you know, like we've had a lot of dysfunctional
Speaker 4: governments in the House, like over the last like twenty
Speaker 4: thirty years, usually Republican ones, I have to say, but
Speaker 4: I do think, like, you know, like Mike Johnson, I've
Speaker 4: never seen House speaker that has so little control of
Speaker 4: his caucus where things are you know, visibly falling apart.
Speaker 4: I mean, the epsteam thing was like maybe one of
Speaker 4: the early signs of it, but now you're seeing it everywhere.
Speaker 4: And you know, people like Marjorie Taylor Green who's like
Speaker 4: in seat of leaving, but she's like sort of you know,
Speaker 4: like she's hopefully saying, like, you know, I don't think
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson's gonna be able to last and it's really
Speaker 4: hard to see their ability to lost, especially since I mean,
Speaker 4: like the love of incompetence is really something special. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: and actually I mean, like you know, like some of
Speaker 4: it is again to talk about the sort of maga
Speaker 4: crackop this other U. I saw you tweeting a lot
Speaker 4: about it, and I'm sure you've discussed but like a
Speaker 4: lot of the gender lines as well, right, because you
Speaker 4: missed when yeah, the women, because like Jason is like
Speaker 4: you know, like you know that he has an ideology.
Speaker 4: It is that sort of you know, Southern Baptist evangelical,
Speaker 4: like the man is ahead of the household. He and
Speaker 4: his wife were on a podcast he had this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, like they were on the podcast of I would
Speaker 1: love to talk about this for a minute because I
Speaker 1: love this so much. So Stephen Miller, who is I think,
Speaker 1: at best a fascist and worst Nazi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a spectrum. It's
Speaker 4: like Mussolini Hitler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a Mussolini traits. He's got Hitler traits.
Speaker 1: That guy has a wife who overtweezes her eyebrows and
Speaker 1: has a podcast. Yes, and in our podcast of overtweet eyebrows.
Speaker 1: She has members of Maga world come on and humiliate themselves.
Speaker 4: Yes, discuss that's right. And uh, Mike Johnson was on
Speaker 4: with his wife and they had this whole thing about
Speaker 4: how men can men's.
Speaker 1: Brains, Yeah, waffles, waffles.
Speaker 4: Men's brains are like waffles, and women's brains are like spaghetti.
Speaker 4: I know you got it wrong because you have a
Speaker 4: spaghetti brain, whereas my waffle brain can keep these categories in.
Speaker 1: Yes, congratulations, waffle brain. Congratulations is all I can say.
Speaker 1: Enjoy that waffle brain.
Speaker 4: And so the interesting thing is like there's a lot
Speaker 4: of Republican women, but they do have like, you know,
Speaker 4: like roughly thirty female members of Congress. And like the
Speaker 4: guy who believes that men have waffle brains and women
Speaker 4: have spaghetti brains, you know, like does not. I don't
Speaker 4: think there's a single elected Republican women that holds a
Speaker 4: chair in the House. And so like this other Marjorie
Speaker 4: Taylor Green has said publicly, and it's some of our
Speaker 4: female colleagues have said, like off the record, but like,
Speaker 4: you know, like they're basically roadblocked at least, are not
Speaker 4: you know, like these are not glorious Stein of type women, right,
Speaker 4: they're not Erica Jean women, but they actually you know,
Speaker 4: like they're typical you know, Republican professional women who you
Speaker 4: don't want to be able to advance in their careers.
Speaker 4: And you know, this guy who has like incredibly retrograde
Speaker 4: gender politics is like in charge, and so he's unnecessarily
Speaker 4: I think, like, oh, yes, just give people a few jobs.
Speaker 4: You just have to give them a sense that they
Speaker 4: can advance, right, But like he's so ideologically committed to
Speaker 4: his sexism and it's not just him, like it's it's
Speaker 4: a wider thing on the right. Like you know, one
Speaker 4: of the big articles that had a huge kind of
Speaker 4: thing was in Compact by yeah this women Helen Andrews Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, basically how women are ruining the workplace and
Speaker 4: rad Ross do that? Did it write up in the Times?
Speaker 4: And this is like you know, this is the ideology
Speaker 4: of the larger right that like you know, which is
Speaker 4: not even you know, like it's not even the old
Speaker 4: like you know, we don't need affirmative action, but people
Speaker 4: should rise on their merits. It's like no, no, like
Speaker 4: like men should men rule women? Drul uh, which isself
Speaker 4: is like you know, like you know, causing like real
Speaker 4: U divide. I mean, there's one reason why Taylor gree
Speaker 4: kind of wonderfully screwed though, Run run again.
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about this situation is
Speaker 1: that you really do see that women have they have
Speaker 1: only so much tolerance for the kind of retrograde nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties sexism that is so profoundly shitty. And to watch
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green and to watch Nancy Mace, who seems
Speaker 1: like a complete nutter, and to watch these women just
Speaker 1: be like no. And I think it's important to remember
Speaker 1: we have all there are all these committees in the House,
Speaker 1: and only one is headed by a woman, and it
Speaker 1: is Virginia Fox. And she was a holdover from a
Speaker 1: previous like he did not put a single woman in
Speaker 1: a leadership position.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it's absolutely the case. I think there's
Speaker 4: one woman that he's sort of close to, McCain from
Speaker 4: I believe Michigan. But she himself said, like, you know,
Speaker 4: he said about her that if I wanted someone to
Speaker 4: make a turkey dinner, she'd be the one had yet,
Speaker 4: so this is this is like tons of people. I
Speaker 4: think that's also like a very underreported but like very
Speaker 4: interesting Republican crackup. Yeah, I mean this. I think this
Speaker 4: is a party that is like having a lot of
Speaker 4: deep divisions, which I think is the one good news
Speaker 4: that we can kind of offer, Like, you know, like,
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be harder for them to
Speaker 4: implement any policy.
Speaker 1: For sure, get here, please come back. Tom Steyer is
Speaker 1: the founder of Far Lawn Capital and a candidate for
Speaker 1: governor of the state of California. Welcome back. You've actually
Speaker 1: been here before to fast politics tom Steyer. Well, it's
Speaker 1: great to see it's running for governor of California. It's
Speaker 1: like mayor of New York. It's a hard job.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a hard job at the best of times.
Speaker 5: And we're in a time where we're going to be.
Speaker 5: We are right now revenue challenged, and as a result
Speaker 5: of what Donald Trump and his cohort have done in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. We're going to be more revenue challenge going forward.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have some hard decisions to make.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: Tell me why you're going to be more revenue challenged
Speaker 1: to a state.
Speaker 5: I think everybody's going to be because I think the
Speaker 5: Republicans and the Trump administration passed a bill that basically
Speaker 5: did two things. It lowered tax rates for rich people
Speaker 5: and big corporations, and it paid for it by taking
Speaker 5: away healthcare benefits from working Americans and food benefits. So
Speaker 5: that hits everybody in America, and specifically, in our case,
Speaker 5: it hits us California.
Speaker 3: It's pretty darn hard.
Speaker 1: You are a rich person, and I say this as
Speaker 1: someone who is not so rich, unfortunately for me, but
Speaker 1: comes from a similar background. How do you make sense
Speaker 1: of what the Trump administration is trying to do? You know,
Speaker 1: I have a pretty clear sense of why I think
Speaker 1: it's morally wrong and also financially stupid to lower taxes
Speaker 1: on the wealthiest. But I'm curious, as someone who benefits,
Speaker 1: probably as do I, from these tax cuts, why they're
Speaker 1: so wrong.
Speaker 5: Moley, let me take a step back and say why
Speaker 5: I want to be governor of California, because it directly
Speaker 5: addresses your question. The problem in California right now is
Speaker 5: that the people who live in California, the working people
Speaker 5: who've built the state, who make the state run, cannot
Speaker 5: afford to live in California. Everything is too expensive to
Speaker 5: fit into their budget, starting with rent, the ability to
Speaker 5: buy a house. We're talking about electricity costs, insurance costs,
Speaker 5: and specifically healthcare costs. So when I look at where
Speaker 5: we are, the whole reason I'm running, I see California
Speaker 5: as having a chance to create an amazing future where
Speaker 5: we succeed together as a state, with the understanding that
Speaker 5: the success of the state in terms of creating new businesses,
Speaker 5: creating new industries, reinventing the world in many ways, is
Speaker 5: going to be shared for everyone in the state. That
Speaker 5: success having the top few people in the state make
Speaker 5: inordinate amounts of money as a result of creating new
Speaker 5: ideas and new businesses is not success. Success is when
Speaker 5: the whole state moves forward together. The people who are
Speaker 5: making the state run, who are working their hearts out,
Speaker 5: who are giving to the state through their jobs and
Speaker 5: their lives, participate in that. So, when you say to me,
Speaker 5: how do I feel about the idea of increasing the
Speaker 5: division in our country, of advantaging the people who least
Speaker 5: need advantages at the expense of people whose needs are
Speaker 5: not being met, whose dreams are being dashed, do I
Speaker 5: think that that is okay? That's the opposite of what
Speaker 5: I'm trying to do, the opposite of what I believe
Speaker 5: to be okay. And as you said, look, there's the
Speaker 5: idea of what are we trying to do, what is
Speaker 5: the right thing to do, what does our society stand for,
Speaker 5: what should our society stand for? What is the vision
Speaker 5: we have of success? And then there's just a question
Speaker 5: of is there any intellectual idea that this works or
Speaker 5: is it just plain stupid? And what we're seeing, and
Speaker 5: we're seeing it very clearly in terms of employment numbers
Speaker 5: that came out, how many people are working in America,
Speaker 5: in terms of cost of living numbers that have been
Speaker 5: coming out, is that the tariffs have failed, that the
Speaker 5: Big Beautiful Bill has failed. We are seeing unemployment going
Speaker 5: up very consistently for six months. Those numbers are new,
Speaker 5: but they're just out. And we're seeing a failed administration
Speaker 5: whose policies are doing the opposite of the grandiose promises
Speaker 5: that Donald Trump made in the campaign, and we're not
Speaker 5: seeing there's no response from the administration. They don't have
Speaker 5: any idea of how to cure the problems that they've
Speaker 5: caused that are continuing and we can see are going
Speaker 5: to accelerate.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about California is the fourth largest economy
Speaker 1: in the world probably too big, even bigger than many
Speaker 1: many countries. It strikes me that you guys have a
Speaker 1: unique set of problems, from the economy being so big,
Speaker 1: to the climate change stuff, to the fires. I wonder
Speaker 1: if you could just talk to us about what you
Speaker 1: think the sort of biggest problems facing California right now are.
Speaker 3: But the biggest problem, there's no question about of mine.
Speaker 5: The biggest issue in California is that the majority of
Speaker 5: Californias can't afford to live here. You're saying we have
Speaker 5: unique problems, we have unique strengths. I'm incredibly optimistic about
Speaker 5: what can happen in California because of the dynamism and
Speaker 5: the creativity and the risk taking of the people in California.
Speaker 5: We are a very data driven, incredibly hard working group
Speaker 5: of people. And you can see that because in fact,
Speaker 5: if you lump us all together, on average, we are
Speaker 5: crushing it. Half the growth in the United States is
Speaker 5: coming from California. This is a state which, if you
Speaker 5: put us all together, looks like we're doing fantastically well.
Speaker 3: And we are.
Speaker 5: But then when you separated, you can see that most
Speaker 5: people are living paycheck to paycheck, that most people are
Speaker 5: struggling to make rent that most people don't think they'll
Speaker 5: be able to afford a house. So the issue here
Speaker 5: is much more about how do we succeed together. How
Speaker 5: does this society, which is the state, which is incredibly
Speaker 5: dynamic and incredibly creative, how do we make it so
Speaker 5: that everybody moves up together so that it's not people
Speaker 5: creaming the top. So we have a system, we meet
Speaker 5: the needs that people have, We give them the opportunity
Speaker 5: to live their their dream and as a result, we
Speaker 5: have a picture of success that is not just good
Speaker 5: on average, but is actually good from top to bottom
Speaker 5: of society. That's success. That's what we're going for. So
Speaker 5: when you say we have problems, I can talk to
Speaker 5: you at length about insurance. I can talk to you
Speaker 5: about how to avoid catastrophic fire. There are a million
Speaker 5: things we need to do. There are new ideas and
Speaker 5: new technologies. We're going to have to do things in
Speaker 5: a new way. That's why I'm running for governor is
Speaker 5: because there are answers to this. It's going to take
Speaker 5: some new approaches. We're going to have to go after
Speaker 5: some special interests who have loopholes in the tax law
Speaker 5: that we're going to have to close. We're going to
Speaker 5: have to meet the needs and bring down costs and
Speaker 5: build again, actually succeed in the three dimensional world, not
Speaker 5: just the cyber world.
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to have to do all those things.
Speaker 3: Those are all possible.
Speaker 5: This whole idea, that's what we're going to have to
Speaker 5: show is you know what, Let's get back to the
Speaker 5: idea of knowing we can accomplish things. Let's get back
Speaker 5: of getting things done, succeeding and show the world this
Speaker 5: is what success looks like when a society moves up
Speaker 5: together and actually does not just the parts of it
Speaker 5: that we're crushing it right now, but we make sure
Speaker 5: that everybody gets taken care of along the way.
Speaker 1: So I think of you as a climate guy, which
Speaker 1: is I think a very good thing for California, because
Speaker 1: California feels uniquely situated to benefit from the kind of
Speaker 1: clean energy that Trump has shut the door on. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about what you could do as governor when
Speaker 1: it comes to clean energy in California.
Speaker 5: So let me say this, Molly, when I talk about
Speaker 5: and I am specifically talking about dropping electricity rates by
Speaker 5: at least a quarter, because that's an affordability issue for families.
Speaker 5: It's a competitive issue for companies that work are located
Speaker 5: in California and compete with companies outside the state or
Speaker 5: outside the country. When I'm talking about affordability of electricity,
Speaker 5: I'm talking about climate. When I'm talking about dropping asthma
Speaker 5: rates for kids in the inner cities, I'm talking about climate.
Speaker 5: And when I'm talking about participating and leading the energy
Speaker 5: transition that is going on very rapidly worldwide and is
Speaker 5: a gigantic business opportunity, I'm talking about climate. And so
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know this, and let me
Speaker 5: say that it's a great Christmas gift, so you may
Speaker 5: want to buy several hundred copies. I wrote a book,
Speaker 5: yes two years ago, Cheaper, Faster, Better, And what I'm
Speaker 5: saying is this, when we talk about the energy transition,
Speaker 5: about giving people what they want right now. Better products, seaper,
Speaker 5: faster better. We're also cheaper faster better. I don't put
Speaker 5: in the word cleaner, but at this point, cheaper energy
Speaker 5: is renewable, faster cars are electric, better solutions are technologically devised,
Speaker 5: but they're to reduce.
Speaker 3: Energy consumption overall.
Speaker 5: So when I'm talking about giving people a better deal
Speaker 5: and selling them things that they want or selling them
Speaker 5: the same thing at a much cheaper price. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about an energy transition that's a huge business opportunity, that's
Speaker 5: a huge job creation engine, and which this administration, which
Speaker 5: Donald Trump has decided our answer is the twentieth century.
Speaker 3: We're going to go.
Speaker 5: Back and do caddies with big tail fins that get
Speaker 5: three miles to the gallon.
Speaker 3: It's like, the answer is, no one wants those, dude.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's wild. I mean, just the way we're
Speaker 1: closing the door on green energy and then we see
Speaker 1: energies up ten eleven percent this year and we're just
Speaker 1: shutting it down. I mean, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: thinking there is.
Speaker 5: Okay, I think the thinking there, Molly, and I don't
Speaker 5: want to be too simplistic, is let's hurt our enemies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go own the libs.
Speaker 5: Let's attack people we don't like, regardless of the impact
Speaker 5: on Americans, regardless of the impact on American prosperity and growth.
Speaker 5: And when he says, let's you know, drill, baby, drill.
Speaker 5: Just to be clear, I don't know if you've been
Speaker 5: following the cost, the price per barrel in West Texas
Speaker 5: of a barrel of oil, but this morning was fifty
Speaker 5: six bucks a barrel, and the lifting cost for a
Speaker 5: marginal barrel of oil in West Texas is over sixty dollars.
Speaker 5: So last I checked, putting the nation's economy based on
Speaker 5: an oil business that has negative gross margins is not
Speaker 5: what you call smart.
Speaker 1: No, I want to ask you a question because this
Speaker 1: oil thing gets me thinking about the many ways in
Speaker 1: which Republican administrations have incentivized oil companies and bad businesnesses,
Speaker 1: tobacco companies, the way in which they've put their thumb
Speaker 1: on the scale for companies that are profoundly morally and
Speaker 1: environmentally corrupt. And I'm wondering if you have any thoughts
Speaker 1: about the idea of using tax incentives when it comes
Speaker 1: to local news, when it comes to reporting, when it
Speaker 1: comes to my personal situation.
Speaker 5: So I don't know if you know this, Molly, but
Speaker 5: when my mom left Minnesota and came to New York City,
Speaker 5: she worked for NBC and she ended up producing part
Speaker 5: of the NBC evening news in the early days of TV.
Speaker 5: She had a sense, and I grew up with a
Speaker 5: sense with the news as not something that was built
Speaker 5: around profits. But the news that was built abound responsibility.
Speaker 5: It was almost the calling to deliver the truth to
Speaker 5: the American people so they could be good citizens and
Speaker 5: make good decisions.
Speaker 3: That is how my mother saw the news.
Speaker 5: That was the job of a newsperson was to deliver
Speaker 5: the truth to American citizens. And so when we talk
Speaker 5: about do I think that that's a critical function?
Speaker 3: Absolutely critical?
Speaker 5: Is it going to get delivered over different media right now?
Speaker 3: Yes it is.
Speaker 5: And understanding that and enabling that, trying to give Americans
Speaker 5: an ability to discern truth to make sure that they're
Speaker 5: not being misled, seems to me to be a critical
Speaker 5: function of government.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about California. Like, one of the things that
Speaker 1: I know is my brothers in the movie business. They
Speaker 1: are not filming in California right now. Everybody is filming
Speaker 1: in Toronto. I was with a bunch of actors. They
Speaker 1: were talking about how much they hate Toronto. It's such
Speaker 1: a pain to get there because it's gold and it sucks.
Speaker 1: The reason they're not filming in California is because the
Speaker 1: tax incentives are much better in Toronto. That seems like
Speaker 1: really a lot of money that is going to lie.
Speaker 5: Look Traditionally, the creative industries around film and around TV
Speaker 5: have been located in LA and there are a lot
Speaker 5: of people are trying to poach those away. And I
Speaker 5: think there's a couple of different things. The way I
Speaker 5: understand it, Molly around this part is about overregulation, so
Speaker 5: that the demands, the legal demands to film in LA
Speaker 5: are extremely and extremely expensive. So it's not just that
Speaker 5: Toronto's giving subsidies, they're also making it easy to do it.
Speaker 5: So the first thing I can say is, let's stop
Speaker 5: making mistakes. Let's stop making the perfect. The perfect the
Speaker 5: enemy of the good. And that's something that's been true
Speaker 5: where in an attempt to do everything perfectly, we've stopped
Speaker 5: things from happening at all. When I say we're we're
Speaker 5: going to build a million houses, part of it is
Speaker 5: it's been impossible to get permits to build houses. It's
Speaker 5: been impossible to meet zoning requirements to build houses. So
Speaker 5: as a result, we have way too few houses, which
Speaker 5: means rents too high. That is a huge affordability issue
Speaker 5: concommonly in the movie industry. Taking away the expensive blocks
Speaker 5: that are unnecessary and studying it. I'm not someone is
Speaker 5: against regulation, but I'm someone who's strongly against overregulation. And
Speaker 5: then the second question is about subsidization. Look, this is
Speaker 5: an industry which is incredibly important to Los Angeles for
Speaker 5: a number of reasons, and making sure that there are
Speaker 5: no roadblocks to them competing successfully there is something that's
Speaker 5: got to be incredibly important. But to me, the first
Speaker 5: question is what are the things we're doing that are
Speaker 5: free to change that make it better? And that's the
Speaker 5: first thing I'd look at. And the second thing I'd
Speaker 5: look at is, Okay, from a competitive standpoint, how is
Speaker 5: it possible we're not winning that? Because you don't have
Speaker 5: to fly to Los Angeles if you live in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about the fire step for another minute,
Speaker 1: because we have a sort of problem with Alta Dina,
Speaker 1: all the places that have been just destroyed by fire
Speaker 1: and sort of the questions of rebuilding the environment, what
Speaker 1: the groundwater is like, what the soils like? Give me
Speaker 1: a thought on what you think. I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 1: an unsolvable question, but where you are.
Speaker 5: With that, it's not an unsolvable question. So let's take
Speaker 5: a step back and talk about fire in California. Please,
Speaker 5: So obviously California's ecosystem is a fire ecosystem. There have
Speaker 5: been fires burning in the force of California for tens
Speaker 5: of thousands of years. We're not trying to end fire
Speaker 5: in California. We're trying to end catastrophic fire in California,
Speaker 5: the kind of fire that is uncontrollable and threatened people's houses.
Speaker 5: And so how do we actually talk about that. There's
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of things we can do to end
Speaker 5: catastrophic fires. Part of it is by good forest management,
Speaker 5: which we didn't do for a really long time, which
Speaker 5: includes controlled burns, making sure that we do, in fact
Speaker 5: have the kinds of fires that reduce the possibility of
Speaker 5: catastrophic fire. Secondly, we have an ability to monitor those
Speaker 5: forests with drones on a real time basis, so that
Speaker 5: in fact we can be much more aware of when
Speaker 5: something happens, what the threat is and are able to
Speaker 5: respond much quicker with much better technology. So that's the
Speaker 5: second point. The third point is this ability to quote
Speaker 5: unquote arden houses, to actually put in sprinklers and a
Speaker 5: series of other not particularly expensive things has a much
Speaker 5: better than ninety percent chance of saving a house in.
Speaker 3: A catastrophic fire.
Speaker 5: And when you put those three things together and you
Speaker 5: say this is obviously unsolvable, it absolutely is not unsolvable.
Speaker 5: It is absolutely solvable. The issue is going to be
Speaker 5: to make sure those things happen and to make sure
Speaker 5: that the insurance companies take into account the hardening that
Speaker 5: families do so that their houses are basically fire resistant, fireproof.
Speaker 3: Because look, we're.
Speaker 5: The biggest housing market in the country, were the most
Speaker 5: valuable housing market in the country. They have to want
Speaker 5: to come here and write homeowners insurance. They just don't
Speaker 5: want to write homeowners insurance at a loss. And so
Speaker 5: we've got to do the job of bringing down any
Speaker 5: likelihood of catastrophic fire and insist that insurance companies take
Speaker 5: that into account, because we're talking a completely different risk
Speaker 5: reward for them. We want to insist that they do
Speaker 5: the work because when you see people do that kind
Speaker 5: of proactive work in insurance, you can drop those insurance
Speaker 5: costs by up to ninety percent. And that's what we
Speaker 5: need to do. We need to manage this system as
Speaker 5: opposed to throw up our hands and let the insurance
Speaker 5: companies throw up their hands.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Tom Stier, Paulick, what a treat to talk to you.
Speaker 1: No normal, Jesse Cannon, Mike, we keep seeing Maga splintering.
Speaker 2: It really is the end of the year story. And
Speaker 2: at the Turning Point USA conference this weekend, everybody was
Speaker 2: just expecting it to be singing we Are Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: all weekend, but it turned out the girls are fighting.
Speaker 2: And by the girls, I mean Bed Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: I mean they're really fighting over MAGA. And I don't
Speaker 1: like anyone involved in any of this at all. So
Speaker 1: here we are, We're in Phoenix. They are all together
Speaker 1: at Turning Point. They're basically fighting to be whoever is
Speaker 1: the heir apparent to Maga. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't like Ben Shapiro, but he calls out
Speaker 1: commentators blasting Candace Owens. Tucker calls and Meghan Kelly and
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon as frauds and grifters as opposed to Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Mike, can you remind me who got Candace Woan's her
Speaker 2: platform again?
Speaker 1: I seem to remember Candice Owens being discovered by Ben Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm and Turning Point USA before that.
Speaker 1: Yes, and in fact, You liked her when her crazy
Speaker 1: rantings were aligned with you, but now that she's doing
Speaker 1: anti semitism or not, you don't like it so much.
Speaker 1: But you know it was always this was always going
Speaker 1: to get to anti semitism.
Speaker 2: Yep, and you know where it's gotten her. She was
Speaker 2: the number one podcast all week this.
Speaker 1: Week, right, No, no, I mean they created a monster
Speaker 1: and now she's going to destroy.
Speaker 2: Us all yep, they created a monster and they don't
Speaker 2: see that. They're going to keep doing these things because
Speaker 2: this is what they're discs testing, rhetoric, breeds.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone should be surprised. This is
Speaker 1: where we are and they did this, and now Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro is upset because when you go down this rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: this is what happens. None of us should be surprised.
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