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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds. And Congresswoman Elise Stavonik has both dropped

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<v Speaker 1>our bid for governor of New York and she is

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<v Speaker 1>not running for reelection. We have such a great show

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<v Speaker 1>for you today, the Nation's GDR stops by to talk

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's demented rants. Then we'll talk to California gubernatorial

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<v Speaker 1>candidate Tom s Dyer about his run to be the

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<v Speaker 1>top official of the great State of California. But first

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<v Speaker 1>the news, Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a new episode of our Project twenty twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>a reimagining series on regulation. It features Lena kah Alvera

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<v Speaker 2>Badoya and many others. It's over on our YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thrilled, how about you.

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<v Speaker 1>We are really psyched about our Project twenty twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube series, and let me tell you why. Because what

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<v Speaker 1>we do is we outline regular We talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>to legislate a lot of the abuses of trump Ism,

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<v Speaker 1>how to prevent them, and it is very We worked

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<v Speaker 1>really hard on it. It's so nerdy, but we think

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<v Speaker 1>that you will learn a lot from it. Come up

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<v Speaker 1>with ideas which you can bully your legislators into adopting.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this theme of the podcast Bullying Legislators.

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<v Speaker 1>That's basically our jobs now are to bully our legislators.

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<v Speaker 2>Pro Bullying Legislator podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, right, if you see an elected you know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do, bully them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of you really teed me up. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in the Democratic Party that are

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<v Speaker 2>very mad at the DNC and Ken Martin right now

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<v Speaker 2>as they withhold their autopsy report.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, here's the poor Democratic Coms Director said.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I know this woman, she's fine, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I like what she said on Twitter because you

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<v Speaker 1>know that everyone is full on freaking out about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's stop looking back, Let's look forward and continue winning. No, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta look back. Dan Pfeiffer said, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad decision that reeks of caution and complacency that brought

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<v Speaker 1>us this moment. He's right, even Democrats, this is such

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible idea. This is such a bad idea. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to point out that when Martin won

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign to become DNC chair this year, he pledged

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct a review. So this is so bad and

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<v Speaker 1>stupid and shortsighted.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like the popular theory is that this is

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<v Speaker 2>to protect the consultants because it's going to show how

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<v Speaker 2>useless all the money spent on them was, particularly allegations

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<v Speaker 2>from David Hogg, who is a part of the DNC

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<v Speaker 2>for a very brief amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, David Hogg. Again, it's just terrible. This guy has

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<v Speaker 1>such problems already, people are mad at him. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>an insane way to do it. It's a huge mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not think that this is a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's terribly stupid and short sighted and a

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<v Speaker 1>huge mistake. I don't think it makes any sense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Trump administration has set a goal to denaturalize

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of US citizens in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so trumpy and crazy because it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>so stupid. It's going to be a total nightmare for

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<v Speaker 1>them legally. But you know, it's part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, they want people to be scared. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like the kind of thing they love. Setting

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<v Speaker 1>a quota for denaturalization is vicious and cruel and designed

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<v Speaker 1>to send a message of fear it's just so stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and it's what they do always in this admin. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about this, Jesse?

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<v Speaker 2>What we've seen this week is a very new thing

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<v Speaker 2>with Ice, which is there is so many headlines of accusations,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a death and a nice facility in new work.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I think now we're moving to is they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to try to see if they can do the

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<v Speaker 2>more aggressive but polite maneuverings to reach these psychotic immigration

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<v Speaker 2>was because Stephen Miller's thirst for cleansing America of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>not as pale as them must go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And it's also but it's like it's stupid because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not popular. People are going to be so mad

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<v Speaker 1>about this. It's just so stupid. It just doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense to me. It's just moronic and gross. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's going to work, and it's like so

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<v Speaker 1>little bang for the buck. There are real problems in

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<v Speaker 1>this world. It's just stupid, and I think they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have real problems with this, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to work. I don't see a way through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not going to work. They're going to end

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<v Speaker 1>up with lots of you know, lawsuits and lawyers and

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<v Speaker 1>angry people, and it's just stupid, Like it doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere it's going to be. It's like if they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to deport lots of people, this is not the way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know things are going well and you're

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<v Speaker 2>really a competent, competent government that's acting with respect to

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<v Speaker 2>the law. When you get a headline like this, top

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer for military joint Chiefs told Chairman that officers should

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<v Speaker 2>retire if faced with an unlawful order.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal, request to retire and refrain from resigning

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<v Speaker 1>in protests, which could be seen as a political act

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<v Speaker 1>or picking a fight to get fired. These are different

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<v Speaker 1>ways to deal with getting an unlawful order. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we should pull back and wonder why we're spending

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<v Speaker 1>so much time talking about what to do when someone

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<v Speaker 1>asks you to do something illegal, right, Like, we are

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<v Speaker 1>spending so much time on this because we know that

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<v Speaker 1>this administration is doing a lot of illegal stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's really important to realize. It's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have conversations like this if things are normal. You

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<v Speaker 1>have conversations like this when things are not normal, When

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<v Speaker 1>you have a military that is scared and vaguely under siege.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that that is really important when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this, is just to talk about how this

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<v Speaker 1>is the product of living in a lawless society. And

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks. It's so incredibly it's stupid and it's bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also quite scary, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, then these checks and balances are here

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<v Speaker 2>for a reason, and you know, we have laws and

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<v Speaker 2>order around this stuff, so we don't do reckless shit

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<v Speaker 2>that gets Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Killed, right, And that's where we are. And so it's

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<v Speaker 1>just stupid. And it's not even that it's stupid, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that it's scary. It's dangerous. It's like what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're like, you've transitioned from a democracy to an

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian regime, so in such short order, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>we find ourselves in this situation and it's so incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to say that it's shitty. It

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<v Speaker 1>just shows how far we are from how things are

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So our long national nightmare, and by long, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>well over a year is over, and the TikTok sale

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<v Speaker 2>is complete, and Larry Ellison's oracle will now be the

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<v Speaker 2>controlling partner in it, which means I think TikTok is

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<v Speaker 2>going to burd to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably not going to get a lot of gaz.

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<v Speaker 2>At the contents.

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<v Speaker 1>My guessing you're gonna stop seeing the war in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is you're going to start to see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like why is IDF so great content?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a great joke that actress Odessa's zion his career

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<v Speaker 2>has really ascended right now after her star turn on

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<v Speaker 2>I Love New York, but that she's about to lose

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<v Speaker 2>her entire career because no one's gonna be allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>say the word zion anymore on TikTok. Yep, that may

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<v Speaker 2>very well be true anyway. To be serious, for people

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<v Speaker 2>who don't understand this, it is very very well known

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<v Speaker 2>that Larry Ellison, who's Oracle, is very zealous and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have already seen signs that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of censorship happening on the app. And Larry Ellison

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<v Speaker 2>just loves mister Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he does, And I mean Larry Ellison loves mister Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and mister Trump has done a lot for Larry Ellison,

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<v Speaker 1>who even knows what they're going to do with all

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<v Speaker 1>of this. This is where we are. Since there's no

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<v Speaker 1>regulation for technology in this country at all. We have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what he's going to do to the algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no idea what we see, why we see it,

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<v Speaker 1>how we see it. It's just going to create a

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<v Speaker 1>very not transparent world.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Molly, I have a feeling that what you asked

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<v Speaker 2>for for Hanukkah was for these Epstein files to be released,

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<v Speaker 2>and I regret to tell you they're not fully released,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're very redacted.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not fully released. They are very redacted. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not even just read to me what we have

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's all just blank pages.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything I'm seeing being people saying on the internet is

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<v Speaker 2>that it is basically what we got from the Kennedy files,

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<v Speaker 2>but worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Rocanna, Democrat of California, says he believes that the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice is trying to comply with the law

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<v Speaker 1>requiring the release of the trope of documents, but he

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<v Speaker 1>urged the Justice Department officials to explain why they are

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<v Speaker 1>not able to release all of the documents and to

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<v Speaker 1>explain every production fun stuff we have exciting news over

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<v Speaker 1>at our YouTube channel. The second episode from Our Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty nine series is out now. It's a reimagining

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<v Speaker 1>where we examined what went wrong with democrats approach to

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<v Speaker 1>politics and how we can correct it and deliver changes

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<v Speaker 1>to help people's lives. The first episode dove into the

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<v Speaker 1>very sexy topic of campaign finance reform, and our second

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<v Speaker 1>episode deals with an even sexier topic, antitrust and regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>We look at how antitrust and regulation can protect American

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<v Speaker 1>citizens and make America thrive in an era of rampant

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<v Speaker 1>corruption and predatory crony capitalism. We talk to the smartest

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<v Speaker 1>names in the field like Lena Kahan, Elvero Bedoya, Elizabeth Wilkins,

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<v Speaker 1>and Doha Mecki. Republicans were prepared for when they got

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<v Speaker 1>the levers of power. We need Democrats to be too.

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<v Speaker 1>So please head over to YouTube and search Molly John

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<v Speaker 1>Fast Project twenty twenty nine or go to the Fast

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<v Speaker 1>spread the word. Jed here as a contributor to the

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<v Speaker 1>Nation and the host of the Time of Monsters. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Fast Politics. Jeed here to be on the program

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<v Speaker 1>American Democracy. We are killing it discuss.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't even know where do we begin.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either where do we begin.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a little bit of like a minor thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think it's very indicative, which is the hall

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<v Speaker 4>of fame that is in the White House with these

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<v Speaker 4>clacks and Donald Trump, you know, like I guess it

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<v Speaker 4>shows you that he is not actually as sleepy and

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<v Speaker 4>as out of it as he might appear, because he

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<v Speaker 4>apparently wrote many of these clacks. There's a go go

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<v Speaker 4>in doing the White House whichever remind people is the

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<v Speaker 4>people's house it is. It belongs to the citizens of

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<v Speaker 4>the United States. And there's a you know, you see

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<v Speaker 4>photographs and paintings of the president, and for Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 4>they have a photograph from an auto pan. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's there's a long plaque, plaque and.

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<v Speaker 3>Hideous.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to read it like because you apply

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<v Speaker 4>it's been verified that like Donald Trump wrote these things.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to just say, like the Biden thing is

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<v Speaker 4>very funny. I want to see what Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 4>to say about Millard Fillmore or of the nineteenth century presidents.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he weigh in on Millard Fillmore. Let's say, I.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen that yet. But I mean read the

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<v Speaker 4>Biden one.

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<v Speaker 1>READI the Biden one. Sleepy. Joe Biden was comma, by

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<v Speaker 1>far kamma the worst president in American history period. We've

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<v Speaker 1>heard him say that line. Yeah, by the way, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you are the biggest partisan going and then there

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<v Speaker 1>is a picture of an auto pen two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one to twenty twenty five, even if even if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to say like you were such a partisan,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see any world in which Joe Biden is

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<v Speaker 1>the worst president.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, but I mean this is this is

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think the plex everach thing is the

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<v Speaker 4>view of his American history from the point of view

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<v Speaker 4>of Donald Do you want to go on? But I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think people will get the kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of just event taking office as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>most corrupt election ever seen in the United States, by

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<v Speaker 1>oversaw a series of unprecedented disasters that brought our nation

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<v Speaker 1>to the brink of destruction. His policies caused the highest

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<v Speaker 1>inflation ever recorded. That is demonstrably not true, leading the

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<v Speaker 1>US dollar to lose more than twenty percent of its

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<v Speaker 1>value in four years. Also not true, his Green new scam,

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<v Speaker 1>which never passed surrendered American energy dominance and by abolishing

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<v Speaker 1>the southern border again at best, hyperbolic, at worst, a

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<v Speaker 1>lie Biden led twenty one million people from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I like the world. I like the odd

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<v Speaker 1>capitalisationac right pour into the United States comma, including from prisons, jails,

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<v Speaker 1>and mental institutions and insane asylums period.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite at statement. Yeah, And the thing I want to

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<v Speaker 4>like maybe emphasize is that this is like a government

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<v Speaker 4>funded thing, Like this is like a public thing and

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<v Speaker 4>a kind of institution which you know, like it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>a bit closes off now, partially because of the construction,

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<v Speaker 4>partially because of security concerns, but actually, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>White House, you know, it's the people, though it belongs

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<v Speaker 4>to the American people, and you have like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>this devented uh trump lulatic Trump version of history, and

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it goes to the whole like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>remodeling of destruction really.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the East wing.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's really treating the White House, the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Presidency as his own personal hobby, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like as if like he's a businessman and this is

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<v Speaker 4>his private corporation, family health corporation, and he could do

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<v Speaker 4>what he wants. I mean, what's interesting is I actually

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of this stuff does kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>resonate with people where there's kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like a dawning sense even about like you know, people

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<v Speaker 4>are conservative and might devoted for Trump, like you know, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>he's supposed to be the president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's not supposed to be. Actually, I also

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<v Speaker 4>something that's why the you know, the horrible post about

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<v Speaker 4>Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle as he resonated with

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people, because I think there is a

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<v Speaker 4>kind of sense in which, like you know, even much

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<v Speaker 4>more so than ever, Trump is not behaving like like

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<v Speaker 4>a public figure, like someone you know, who was elected

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<v Speaker 4>like to serve and serve like the broader public. And

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<v Speaker 4>so I think that that is interesting, like the way

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<v Speaker 4>in which I you know, it took a long time,

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<v Speaker 4>it took you know, this should have been so many

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<v Speaker 4>of us, was obvious even before he was president. But actually,

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<v Speaker 4>like it's it's been interesting to see how this resonates.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like in.

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<v Speaker 4>Part because he's a little bit unchecked, because he has

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of enablers around him for the second term,

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<v Speaker 4>but he is actually, you know, like he's got to

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<v Speaker 4>the point where even people who support him, this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>isn't being hidden from them. They can actually see it,

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<v Speaker 4>and they actually draw the kind of logical conclusion which

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<v Speaker 4>is like, you know, like I voted for this guy

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<v Speaker 4>so he could like break down prices and that's what's happening,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. Yeah, and foreign wars, he's just like all

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<v Speaker 4>this massive vanity project.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of ending foreign wars, this has been a bad

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<v Speaker 1>week for ending foreign wars, partially because we seem like

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a position to start a foreign war in

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean Sea because and I'm quoting Chris Murphy here

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<v Speaker 1>who said, not only are they not bringing in fentanyl,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cocaine that's going to Europe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, there's yeah, No, I mean the trumble versition,

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<v Speaker 4>their whole claim. There's a little bit. There's a Washington

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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street Journal article, which is one of the bad

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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street Journal articles that seems like an obvious right

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<v Speaker 4>wing scamp but saying that like there's a cocaine that's

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<v Speaker 4>being sent to Europe to fun by g HOTI groups

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<v Speaker 4>and then going to Europe. And I have to say, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like if you're America first, Like, why is.

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<v Speaker 2>That your problem?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's deal with that, you know, you know, like it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't evolve the un It's like alcohol. And also it's

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<v Speaker 4>also nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like you know, it's nonsense, agreed, if you're America. First,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we stopping cocaine in the Caribbean? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Going to Europe? I mean it goes to a larger

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<v Speaker 4>issue of like I mean, it is a war on

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<v Speaker 4>drugs wrapped up, And the only thing I'll say about

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<v Speaker 4>it on a policy term is, you know, the word

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<v Speaker 4>on drugs was started under Richard Nixon, the creation of

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<v Speaker 4>DA And one way to measure its success is the

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<v Speaker 4>price of drugs and the price of cocaine and of

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<v Speaker 4>like many other drugs, is what's lower now, Like it's

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<v Speaker 4>the most successful anti inflation program the United States has

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<v Speaker 4>ever carried out, is the war on drugs because like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like in the early seventies, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>be fairly wealthy to get cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to like, yeah, you know, right, baby, the drug.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the elite.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe you or your mom might have even written

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<v Speaker 4>some novels about this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I might have written some novels about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but now it's not the drug of the elite

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<v Speaker 4>because it's actually like eighty ninety percent lower now than

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<v Speaker 4>it was in nineteen seventy three. So in my mind,

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of indicates that the war on drugs actually

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<v Speaker 4>has not worked, and that to double down on it

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<v Speaker 4>and to use American form fellasy. I mean, Azzie shows

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<v Speaker 4>the fraudulence of all. This is not really about drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's ever been about drugs. It's about

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<v Speaker 4>the assertion of American power and hedgemony. And the other

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<v Speaker 4>thing is like nothing they're doing by their own accounts

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<v Speaker 4>makes sense. Because I'm sure you have talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, there's an interview or multiple interviews in

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<v Speaker 4>Vanity Fair by Susie Wilds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>That yeah, and she she says, I mean, she said

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<v Speaker 4>something very interesting about the book in the cribbon. She

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<v Speaker 4>said that this is like actually designed to make Dureau

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<v Speaker 4>cry uncle. And she says, you know, like people above

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<v Speaker 4>my pay grade think it'll work, which is what you

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<v Speaker 4>say when you think, like, actually, this is what does

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<v Speaker 4>actually make any sense at all? You know, like Marco

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<v Speaker 4>Ruby wants it because it does he does not make

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<v Speaker 4>any sense at all. That like blowing up these ships

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<v Speaker 4>or even I think it's actually like the policy in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm not quite positive, Like i'd really like a

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<v Speaker 4>little and terrified if I thought, like, is it possible

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<v Speaker 4>that Trump thinks that like a ground war in Venezuela

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<v Speaker 4>is a good idea. But you know, like this, this

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<v Speaker 4>is actually like Venezuela is not like you know, Grenada,

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<v Speaker 4>like it's it is like a nation with an actual

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<v Speaker 4>air force, with an actual military that is aligned, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with Madero, with people who even if Maduro left, benefited

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<v Speaker 4>greatly from the nationalization of oil and you know, would

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<v Speaker 4>resent the stated policy the United States covered up Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>which is who you know, the oil belongs to us,

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<v Speaker 4>the oil of the United States and America is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>take it back, Like like I actually don't now, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think that what Trump and has been sold on

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<v Speaker 4>this is the idea like Madero is like it's a

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<v Speaker 4>house of cards. You just scare them enough, you blow

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<v Speaker 4>up a few votes, you send the armada down there,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's gonna crumble. And I don't think he's gonna crumble.

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<v Speaker 4>And the real danger is that like this will keep

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<v Speaker 4>escalating and you know, you could have some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>like accident or triggering event, a Gulf of Tolkien type event,

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<v Speaker 4>which actually does lead to a serious work. Because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think Trump wants an invasion of might not necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>one invasion of Venzuela. But Marco Rubio, I don't know it,

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't believe in this, but she wants to facilitate it,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Her, because she's a facilitator. It is such an interesting moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think that what is interesting about watching

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<v Speaker 1>these guys is that Trump did run yes on ending

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<v Speaker 1>foreign wars. I mean, I know, ending foreign wars and

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<v Speaker 1>making things two things that he seems expressly uninterested in doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that he's president.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, And it's actually like, you know, to give

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<v Speaker 4>it credit, it's actually causing like tensions within the MAGA coalition.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, in the case of Venezuela, like like actually,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like the American public is overwhelmed, like I

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<v Speaker 4>guess said, and including like Republicans, like nobody wants this,

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<v Speaker 4>and but people also, people like Tucker Carlton are speaking

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<v Speaker 4>out against it, you know, like not my favorite guy

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<v Speaker 4>by any means, but like Trump is actually I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you really do if you paid attention to

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<v Speaker 4>right wing media. There's a lot of people who are saying, like,

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<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, this is what we wanted. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not doing we didn't actually like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>wam the zonked out vanity president who's like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just wants to have these plaques and basically do a

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<v Speaker 4>defolition of the White House to turn it into like

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<v Speaker 4>a Trump product, while you know, like letting his like

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<v Speaker 4>crazy underlings lead America into like more wars. This isn't

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<v Speaker 4>what we signed up for. And so as actually I

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<v Speaker 4>think like politically, like as dire as things are, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is like you know, the end of the air.

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<v Speaker 4>But actually, like you know, you see a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>signs of crack up, and I think that's good. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually think that the sort of you know crack up

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<v Speaker 4>on the right, you know, the fact that the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they need to keep bringing out Charlie Kirk, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to just talk about like this Maga

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<v Speaker 1>cracking because I think that is really the under reporting

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<v Speaker 1>story of the week, which is the House is a

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<v Speaker 1>great example of watching MAGA cracking. So the Speaker of

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<v Speaker 1>the House, Mike Johnson, she has completely lost control of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation once again, multiple discharge petitions, including one from

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<v Speaker 1>Leader Hakim Jeffries, who I like to be critical of,

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<v Speaker 1>but he offers a clean extension of Obamacare premium tax

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<v Speaker 1>cut for three years, puts it on the House as

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<v Speaker 1>a discharge petition. It's going to have Republican votes now,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, Mike Johnson gets so agitated that what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>he sends everyone home his favorite Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, no exactly, Yeah no. I mean, like I

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<v Speaker 4>I you know, like we've had a lot of dysfunctional

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<v Speaker 4>governments in the House, like over the last like twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirty years, usually Republican ones, I have to say, but

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<v Speaker 4>I do think, like, you know, like Mike Johnson, I've

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<v Speaker 4>never seen House speaker that has so little control of

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<v Speaker 4>his caucus where things are you know, visibly falling apart.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the epsteam thing was like maybe one of

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<v Speaker 4>the early signs of it, but now you're seeing it everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, people like Marjorie Taylor Green who's like

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<v Speaker 4>in seat of leaving, but she's like sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like she's hopefully saying, like, you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Johnson's gonna be able to last and it's really

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<v Speaker 4>hard to see their ability to lost, especially since I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>like the love of incompetence is really something special. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually I mean, like you know, like some of

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<v Speaker 4>it is again to talk about the sort of maga

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<v Speaker 4>crackop this other U. I saw you tweeting a lot

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<v Speaker 4>about it, and I'm sure you've discussed but like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the gender lines as well, right, because you

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<v Speaker 4>missed when yeah, the women, because like Jason is like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like you know that he has an ideology.

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<v Speaker 4>It is that sort of you know, Southern Baptist evangelical,

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<v Speaker 4>like the man is ahead of the household. He and

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<v Speaker 4>his wife were on a podcast he had this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like they were on the podcast of I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to talk about this for a minute because I

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<v Speaker 1>love this so much. So Stephen Miller, who is I think,

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<v Speaker 1>at best a fascist and worst Nazi.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a spectrum. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like Mussolini Hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got a Mussolini traits. He's got Hitler traits.

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<v Speaker 1>That guy has a wife who overtweezes her eyebrows and

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<v Speaker 1>has a podcast. Yes, and in our podcast of overtweet eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 1>She has members of Maga world come on and humiliate themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, discuss that's right. And uh, Mike Johnson was on

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<v Speaker 4>with his wife and they had this whole thing about

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<v Speaker 4>how men can men's.

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<v Speaker 1>Brains, Yeah, waffles, waffles.

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<v Speaker 4>Men's brains are like waffles, and women's brains are like spaghetti.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you got it wrong because you have a

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 4>spaghetti brain, whereas my waffle brain can keep these categories in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, congratulations, waffle brain. Congratulations is all I can say.

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Enjoy that waffle brain.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the interesting thing is like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of Republican women, but they do have like, you know,

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 4>like roughly thirty female members of Congress. And like the

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 4>guy who believes that men have waffle brains and women

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 4>have spaghetti brains, you know, like does not. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think there's a single elected Republican women that holds a

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<v Speaker 4>chair in the House. And so like this other Marjorie

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 4>Taylor Green has said publicly, and it's some of our

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 4>female colleagues have said, like off the record, but like,

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, like they're basically roadblocked at least, are not

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, like these are not glorious Stein of type women, right,

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 4>they're not Erica Jean women, but they actually you know,

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 4>like they're typical you know, Republican professional women who you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to be able to advance in their careers.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, this guy who has like incredibly retrograde

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 4>gender politics is like in charge, and so he's unnecessarily

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<v Speaker 4>I think, like, oh, yes, just give people a few jobs.

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 4>You just have to give them a sense that they

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<v Speaker 4>can advance, right, But like he's so ideologically committed to

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 4>his sexism and it's not just him, like it's it's

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:23.719
<v Speaker 4>a wider thing on the right. Like you know, one

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 4>of the big articles that had a huge kind of

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 4>thing was in Compact by yeah this women Helen Andrews Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, basically how women are ruining the workplace and

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 4>rad Ross do that? Did it write up in the Times?

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<v Speaker 4>And this is like you know, this is the ideology

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 4>of the larger right that like you know, which is

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<v Speaker 4>not even you know, like it's not even the old

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, we don't need affirmative action, but people

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<v Speaker 4>should rise on their merits. It's like no, no, like

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:55.679
<v Speaker 4>like men should men rule women? Drul uh, which isself

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 4>is like you know, like you know, causing like real

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<v Speaker 4>U divide. I mean, there's one reason why Taylor gree

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<v Speaker 4>kind of wonderfully screwed though, Run run again.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I love about this situation is

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that you really do see that women have they have

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<v Speaker 1>only so much tolerance for the kind of retrograde nineteen

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 1>fifties sexism that is so profoundly shitty. And to watch

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>Marjorie Taylor Green and to watch Nancy Mace, who seems

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like a complete nutter, and to watch these women just

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 1>be like no. And I think it's important to remember

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 1>we have all there are all these committees in the House,

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and only one is headed by a woman, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is Virginia Fox. And she was a holdover from a

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>previous like he did not put a single woman in

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>a leadership position.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, no, it's absolutely the case. I think there's

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 4>one woman that he's sort of close to, McCain from

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 4>I believe Michigan. But she himself said, like, you know,

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 4>he said about her that if I wanted someone to

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 4>make a turkey dinner, she'd be the one had yet,

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 4>so this is this is like tons of people. I

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 4>think that's also like a very underreported but like very

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 4>interesting Republican crackup. Yeah, I mean this. I think this

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 4>is a party that is like having a lot of

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 4>deep divisions, which I think is the one good news

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 4>that we can kind of offer, Like, you know, like,

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.239
<v Speaker 4>I think it's going to be harder for them to

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<v Speaker 4>implement any policy.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, get here, please come back. Tom Steyer is

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of Far Lawn Capital and a candidate for

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<v Speaker 1>governor of the state of California. Welcome back. You've actually

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>been here before to fast politics tom Steyer. Well, it's

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>great to see it's running for governor of California. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like mayor of New York. It's a hard job.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's a hard job at the best of times.

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<v Speaker 5>And we're in a time where we're going to be.

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 5>We are right now revenue challenged, and as a result

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 5>of what Donald Trump and his cohort have done in Washington,

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<v Speaker 5>d C. We're going to be more revenue challenge going forward.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna have some hard decisions to make.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me why you're going to be more revenue challenged

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<v Speaker 1>to a state.

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<v Speaker 5>I think everybody's going to be because I think the

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<v Speaker 5>Republicans and the Trump administration passed a bill that basically

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 5>did two things. It lowered tax rates for rich people

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 5>and big corporations, and it paid for it by taking

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 5>away healthcare benefits from working Americans and food benefits. So

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 5>that hits everybody in America, and specifically, in our case,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 5>it hits us California.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty darn hard.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a rich person, and I say this as

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>someone who is not so rich, unfortunately for me, but

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>comes from a similar background. How do you make sense

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>of what the Trump administration is trying to do? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pretty clear sense of why I think

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it's morally wrong and also financially stupid to lower taxes

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>on the wealthiest. But I'm curious, as someone who benefits,

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>probably as do I, from these tax cuts, why they're

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<v Speaker 1>so wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Moley, let me take a step back and say why

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 5>I want to be governor of California, because it directly

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 5>addresses your question. The problem in California right now is

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<v Speaker 5>that the people who live in California, the working people

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 5>who've built the state, who make the state run, cannot

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 5>afford to live in California. Everything is too expensive to

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 5>fit into their budget, starting with rent, the ability to

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 5>buy a house. We're talking about electricity costs, insurance costs,

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 5>and specifically healthcare costs. So when I look at where

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 5>we are, the whole reason I'm running, I see California

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 5>as having a chance to create an amazing future where

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 5>we succeed together as a state, with the understanding that

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 5>the success of the state in terms of creating new businesses,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 5>creating new industries, reinventing the world in many ways, is

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 5>going to be shared for everyone in the state. That

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 5>success having the top few people in the state make

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 5>inordinate amounts of money as a result of creating new

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 5>ideas and new businesses is not success. Success is when

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 5>the whole state moves forward together. The people who are

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 5>making the state run, who are working their hearts out,

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 5>who are giving to the state through their jobs and

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 5>their lives, participate in that. So, when you say to me,

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<v Speaker 5>how do I feel about the idea of increasing the

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 5>division in our country, of advantaging the people who least

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 5>need advantages at the expense of people whose needs are

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 5>not being met, whose dreams are being dashed, do I

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 5>think that that is okay? That's the opposite of what

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to do, the opposite of what I believe

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 5>to be okay. And as you said, look, there's the

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 5>idea of what are we trying to do, what is

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 5>the right thing to do, what does our society stand for,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 5>what should our society stand for? What is the vision

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 5>we have of success? And then there's just a question

0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 5>of is there any intellectual idea that this works or

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 5>is it just plain stupid? And what we're seeing, and

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 5>we're seeing it very clearly in terms of employment numbers

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 5>that came out, how many people are working in America,

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 5>in terms of cost of living numbers that have been

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 5>coming out, is that the tariffs have failed, that the

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 5>Big Beautiful Bill has failed. We are seeing unemployment going

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 5>up very consistently for six months. Those numbers are new,

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 5>but they're just out. And we're seeing a failed administration

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 5>whose policies are doing the opposite of the grandiose promises

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 5>that Donald Trump made in the campaign, and we're not

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 5>seeing there's no response from the administration. They don't have

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 5>any idea of how to cure the problems that they've

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 5>caused that are continuing and we can see are going

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 5>to accelerate.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about California is the fourth largest economy

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>in the world probably too big, even bigger than many

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>many countries. It strikes me that you guys have a

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.479
<v Speaker 1>unique set of problems, from the economy being so big,

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to the climate change stuff, to the fires. I wonder

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 1>if you could just talk to us about what you

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>think the sort of biggest problems facing California right now are.

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 3>But the biggest problem, there's no question about of mine.

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 5>The biggest issue in California is that the majority of

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 5>Californias can't afford to live here. You're saying we have

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 5>unique problems, we have unique strengths. I'm incredibly optimistic about

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 5>what can happen in California because of the dynamism and

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 5>the creativity and the risk taking of the people in California.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 5>We are a very data driven, incredibly hard working group

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 5>of people. And you can see that because in fact,

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 5>if you lump us all together, on average, we are

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 5>crushing it. Half the growth in the United States is

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 5>coming from California. This is a state which, if you

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 5>put us all together, looks like we're doing fantastically well.

0:33:58.360 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And we are.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 5>But then when you separated, you can see that most

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 5>people are living paycheck to paycheck, that most people are

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 5>struggling to make rent that most people don't think they'll

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 5>be able to afford a house. So the issue here

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 5>is much more about how do we succeed together. How

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.240
<v Speaker 5>does this society, which is the state, which is incredibly

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 5>dynamic and incredibly creative, how do we make it so

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 5>that everybody moves up together so that it's not people

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 5>creaming the top. So we have a system, we meet

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 5>the needs that people have, We give them the opportunity

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 5>to live their their dream and as a result, we

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.959
<v Speaker 5>have a picture of success that is not just good

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 5>on average, but is actually good from top to bottom

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 5>of society. That's success. That's what we're going for. So

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 5>when you say we have problems, I can talk to

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 5>you at length about insurance. I can talk to you

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 5>about how to avoid catastrophic fire. There are a million

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 5>things we need to do. There are new ideas and

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 5>new technologies. We're going to have to do things in

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 5>a new way. That's why I'm running for governor is

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 5>because there are answers to this. It's going to take

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 5>some new approaches. We're going to have to go after

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 5>some special interests who have loopholes in the tax law

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 5>that we're going to have to close. We're going to

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 5>have to meet the needs and bring down costs and

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 5>build again, actually succeed in the three dimensional world, not

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 5>just the cyber world.

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:15.959
<v Speaker 3>Right, We're going to have to do all those things.

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Those are all possible.

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 5>This whole idea, that's what we're going to have to

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 5>show is you know what, Let's get back to the

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 5>idea of knowing we can accomplish things. Let's get back

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 5>of getting things done, succeeding and show the world this

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 5>is what success looks like when a society moves up

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 5>together and actually does not just the parts of it

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 5>that we're crushing it right now, but we make sure

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 5>that everybody gets taken care of along the way.

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>So I think of you as a climate guy, which

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>is I think a very good thing for California, because

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 1>California feels uniquely situated to benefit from the kind of

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 1>clean energy that Trump has shut the door on. So

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what you could do as governor when

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>it comes to clean energy in California.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 5>So let me say this, Molly, when I talk about

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 5>and I am specifically talking about dropping electricity rates by

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 5>at least a quarter, because that's an affordability issue for families.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 5>It's a competitive issue for companies that work are located

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 5>in California and compete with companies outside the state or

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 5>outside the country. When I'm talking about affordability of electricity,

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about climate. When I'm talking about dropping asthma

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 5>rates for kids in the inner cities, I'm talking about climate.

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 5>And when I'm talking about participating and leading the energy

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 5>transition that is going on very rapidly worldwide and is

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 5>a gigantic business opportunity, I'm talking about climate. And so

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you know this, and let me

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 5>say that it's a great Christmas gift, so you may

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 5>want to buy several hundred copies. I wrote a book,

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 5>yes two years ago, Cheaper, Faster, Better, And what I'm

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 5>saying is this, when we talk about the energy transition,

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 5>about giving people what they want right now. Better products, seaper,

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.439
<v Speaker 5>faster better. We're also cheaper faster better. I don't put

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 5>in the word cleaner, but at this point, cheaper energy

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 5>is renewable, faster cars are electric, better solutions are technologically devised,

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 5>but they're to reduce.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Energy consumption overall.

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 5>So when I'm talking about giving people a better deal

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 5>and selling them things that they want or selling them

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 5>the same thing at a much cheaper price. I'm talking

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 5>about an energy transition that's a huge business opportunity, that's

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.879
<v Speaker 5>a huge job creation engine, and which this administration, which

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump has decided our answer is the twentieth century.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 3>We're going to go.

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 5>Back and do caddies with big tail fins that get

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 5>three miles to the gallon.

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like, the answer is, no one wants those, dude.

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh, it's wild. I mean, just the way we're

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>closing the door on green energy and then we see

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>energies up ten eleven percent this year and we're just

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>shutting it down. I mean, I don't know what the

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking there is.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I think the thinking there, Molly, and I don't

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 5>want to be too simplistic, is let's hurt our enemies.

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's go own the libs.

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 5>Let's attack people we don't like, regardless of the impact

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 5>on Americans, regardless of the impact on American prosperity and growth.

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 5>And when he says, let's you know, drill, baby, drill.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 5>Just to be clear, I don't know if you've been

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 5>following the cost, the price per barrel in West Texas

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:32.879
<v Speaker 5>of a barrel of oil, but this morning was fifty

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 5>six bucks a barrel, and the lifting cost for a

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 5>marginal barrel of oil in West Texas is over sixty dollars.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 5>So last I checked, putting the nation's economy based on

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 5>an oil business that has negative gross margins is not

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:48.320
<v Speaker 5>what you call smart.

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 1>No, I want to ask you a question because this

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>oil thing gets me thinking about the many ways in

0:38:54.600 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>which Republican administrations have incentivized oil companies and bad businesnesses,

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>tobacco companies, the way in which they've put their thumb

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 1>on the scale for companies that are profoundly morally and

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>environmentally corrupt. And I'm wondering if you have any thoughts

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>about the idea of using tax incentives when it comes

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to local news, when it comes to reporting, when it

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 1>comes to my personal situation.

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know if you know this, Molly, but

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 5>when my mom left Minnesota and came to New York City,

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 5>she worked for NBC and she ended up producing part

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 5>of the NBC evening news in the early days of TV.

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 5>She had a sense, and I grew up with a

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 5>sense with the news as not something that was built

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 5>around profits. But the news that was built abound responsibility.

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 5>It was almost the calling to deliver the truth to

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 5>the American people so they could be good citizens and

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 5>make good decisions.

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 3>That is how my mother saw the news.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 5>That was the job of a newsperson was to deliver

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 5>the truth to American citizens. And so when we talk

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 5>about do I think that that's a critical function?

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely critical?

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 5>Is it going to get delivered over different media right now?

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes it is.

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 5>And understanding that and enabling that, trying to give Americans

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 5>an ability to discern truth to make sure that they're

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 5>not being misled, seems to me to be a critical

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 5>function of government.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about California. Like, one of the things that

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I know is my brothers in the movie business. They

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.720
<v Speaker 1>are not filming in California right now. Everybody is filming

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>in Toronto. I was with a bunch of actors. They

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>were talking about how much they hate Toronto. It's such

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a pain to get there because it's gold and it sucks.

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>The reason they're not filming in California is because the

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>tax incentives are much better in Toronto. That seems like

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>really a lot of money that is going to lie.

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 5>Look Traditionally, the creative industries around film and around TV

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 5>have been located in LA and there are a lot

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 5>of people are trying to poach those away. And I

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 5>think there's a couple of different things. The way I

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 5>understand it, Molly around this part is about overregulation, so

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 5>that the demands, the legal demands to film in LA

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 5>are extremely and extremely expensive. So it's not just that

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 5>Toronto's giving subsidies, they're also making it easy to do it.

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 5>So the first thing I can say is, let's stop

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 5>making mistakes. Let's stop making the perfect. The perfect the

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 5>enemy of the good. And that's something that's been true

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 5>where in an attempt to do everything perfectly, we've stopped

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 5>things from happening at all. When I say we're we're

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 5>going to build a million houses, part of it is

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:43.399
<v Speaker 5>it's been impossible to get permits to build houses. It's

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 5>been impossible to meet zoning requirements to build houses. So

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.959
<v Speaker 5>as a result, we have way too few houses, which

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 5>means rents too high. That is a huge affordability issue

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 5>concommonly in the movie industry. Taking away the expensive blocks

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 5>that are unnecessary and studying it. I'm not someone is

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 5>against regulation, but I'm someone who's strongly against overregulation. And

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 5>then the second question is about subsidization. Look, this is

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 5>an industry which is incredibly important to Los Angeles for

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 5>a number of reasons, and making sure that there are

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 5>no roadblocks to them competing successfully there is something that's

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 5>got to be incredibly important. But to me, the first

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 5>question is what are the things we're doing that are

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 5>free to change that make it better? And that's the

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 5>first thing I'd look at. And the second thing I'd

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 5>look at is, Okay, from a competitive standpoint, how is

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 5>it possible we're not winning that? Because you don't have

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 5>to fly to Los Angeles if you live in Los Angeles.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to talk about the fire step for another minute,

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.280
<v Speaker 1>because we have a sort of problem with Alta Dina,

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>all the places that have been just destroyed by fire

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>and sort of the questions of rebuilding the environment, what

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the groundwater is like, what the soils like? Give me

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a thought on what you think. I mean, obviously it's

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 1>an unsolvable question, but where you are.

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.719
<v Speaker 5>With that, it's not an unsolvable question. So let's take

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 5>a step back and talk about fire in California. Please,

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 5>So obviously California's ecosystem is a fire ecosystem. There have

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 5>been fires burning in the force of California for tens

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 5>of thousands of years. We're not trying to end fire

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 5>in California. We're trying to end catastrophic fire in California,

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 5>the kind of fire that is uncontrollable and threatened people's houses.

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 5>And so how do we actually talk about that. There's

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 5>a whole bunch of things we can do to end

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 5>catastrophic fires. Part of it is by good forest management,

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 5>which we didn't do for a really long time, which

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 5>includes controlled burns, making sure that we do, in fact

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 5>have the kinds of fires that reduce the possibility of

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 5>catastrophic fire. Secondly, we have an ability to monitor those

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 5>forests with drones on a real time basis, so that

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 5>in fact we can be much more aware of when

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.319
<v Speaker 5>something happens, what the threat is and are able to

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 5>respond much quicker with much better technology. So that's the

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 5>second point. The third point is this ability to quote

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 5>unquote arden houses, to actually put in sprinklers and a

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.439
<v Speaker 5>series of other not particularly expensive things has a much

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 5>better than ninety percent chance of saving a house in.

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:14.240
<v Speaker 3>A catastrophic fire.

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 5>And when you put those three things together and you

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 5>say this is obviously unsolvable, it absolutely is not unsolvable.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 5>It is absolutely solvable. The issue is going to be

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 5>to make sure those things happen and to make sure

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 5>that the insurance companies take into account the hardening that

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 5>families do so that their houses are basically fire resistant, fireproof.

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Because look, we're.

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 5>The biggest housing market in the country, were the most

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 5>valuable housing market in the country. They have to want

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 5>to come here and write homeowners insurance. They just don't

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 5>want to write homeowners insurance at a loss. And so

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 5>we've got to do the job of bringing down any

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 5>likelihood of catastrophic fire and insist that insurance companies take

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.279
<v Speaker 5>that into account, because we're talking a completely different risk

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 5>reward for them. We want to insist that they do

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 5>the work because when you see people do that kind

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 5>of proactive work in insurance, you can drop those insurance

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 5>costs by up to ninety percent. And that's what we

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 5>need to do. We need to manage this system as

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 5>opposed to throw up our hands and let the insurance

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 5>companies throw up their hands.

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Tom Stier, Paulick, what a treat to talk to you.

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>No normal, Jesse Cannon, Mike, we keep seeing Maga splintering.

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>It really is the end of the year story. And

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 2>at the Turning Point USA conference this weekend, everybody was

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>just expecting it to be singing we Are Charlie Kirk

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>all weekend, but it turned out the girls are fighting.

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 2>And by the girls, I mean Bed Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're really fighting over MAGA. And I don't

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>like anyone involved in any of this at all. So

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 1>here we are, We're in Phoenix. They are all together

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 1>at Turning Point. They're basically fighting to be whoever is

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the heir apparent to Maga. And by the way, I

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.399
<v Speaker 1>mean I don't like Ben Shapiro, but he calls out

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>commentators blasting Candace Owens. Tucker calls and Meghan Kelly and

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Steve Bannon as frauds and grifters as opposed to Ben Shapiro.

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Mike, can you remind me who got Candace Woan's her

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>platform again?

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I seem to remember Candice Owens being discovered by Ben Shapiro.

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, mm hmm and Turning Point USA before that.

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and in fact, You liked her when her crazy

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>rantings were aligned with you, but now that she's doing

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>anti semitism or not, you don't like it so much.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know it was always this was always going

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to get to anti semitism.

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and you know where it's gotten her. She was

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the number one podcast all week this.

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Week, right, No, no, I mean they created a monster

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and now she's going to destroy.

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Us all yep, they created a monster and they don't

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>see that. They're going to keep doing these things because

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.439
<v Speaker 2>this is what they're discs testing, rhetoric, breeds.

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think anyone should be surprised. This is

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>where we are and they did this, and now Ben

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Shapiro is upset because when you go down this rabbit hole,

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens. None of us should be surprised.

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