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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: for you today, the Nation's GDR stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: President Trump's demented rants. Then we'll talk to California gubernatorial

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Speaker 2: We have a new episode of our Project twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: a reimagining series on regulation. It features Lena kah Alvera

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Speaker 1: We are really psyched about our Project twenty twenty nine

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Speaker 1: to legislate a lot of the abuses of trump Ism,

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Speaker 1: how to prevent them, and it is very We worked

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Speaker 1: that you will learn a lot from it. Come up

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Speaker 1: with ideas which you can bully your legislators into adopting.

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Speaker 2: I like this theme of the podcast Bullying Legislators.

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Speaker 1: That's basically our jobs now are to bully our legislators.

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Speaker 2: Pro Bullying Legislator podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know, right, if you see an elected you know

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of you really teed me up. There is

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, here's the poor Democratic Coms Director said.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I know this woman, she's fine, but

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Speaker 1: like I like what she said on Twitter because you

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Speaker 1: know that everyone is full on freaking out about this.

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Speaker 1: Let's stop looking back, Let's look forward and continue winning. No, honey,

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Speaker 1: we gotta look back. Dan Pfeiffer said, this is a

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Speaker 1: us this moment. He's right, even Democrats, this is such

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Speaker 1: I would like to point out that when Martin won

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Speaker 1: to conduct a review. So this is so bad and

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Speaker 2: It seems like the popular theory is that this is

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Speaker 2: useless all the money spent on them was, particularly allegations

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David Hogg. Again, it's just terrible. This guy has

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Speaker 1: an insane way to do it. It's a huge mistake.

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Speaker 1: I do not think that this is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think it's terribly stupid and short sighted and a

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Speaker 2: So the Trump administration has set a goal to denaturalize

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Speaker 1: just you know, they want people to be scared. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is like the kind of thing they love. Setting

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Speaker 1: to send a message of fear it's just so stupid

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's also but it's like it's stupid because

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, then these checks and balances are here

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Speaker 2: There's a great joke that actress Odessa's zion his career

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, I have a feeling that what you asked

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Speaker 4: it's been verified that like Donald Trump wrote these things.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, but I mean this is this is

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Speaker 1: Of just event taking office as a result of the

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Speaker 4: Quite at statement. Yeah, And the thing I want to

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Speaker 4: But he's really treating the White House, the you know,

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Speaker 4: Part because he's a little bit unchecked, because he has

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Speaker 4: so he could like break down prices and that's what's happening,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of ending foreign wars, this has been a bad

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Speaker 4: Let's deal with that, you know, you know, like it

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Speaker 4: Going to Europe? I mean it goes to a larger

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Speaker 1: You have to like, yeah, you know, right, baby, the drug.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but now it's not the drug of the elite

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Speaker 4: makes sense. Because I'm sure you have talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: And the real danger is that like this will keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to just talk about like this Maga

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Speaker 4: hard to see their ability to lost, especially since I mean,

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Speaker 4: like the love of incompetence is really something special. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 4: and actually I mean, like you know, like some of

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Speaker 4: it is again to talk about the sort of maga

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Speaker 4: crackop this other U. I saw you tweeting a lot

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Speaker 4: about it, and I'm sure you've discussed but like a

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Speaker 4: lot of the gender lines as well, right, because you

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Speaker 4: missed when yeah, the women, because like Jason is like

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Speaker 4: you know, like you know that he has an ideology.

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Speaker 4: It is that sort of you know, Southern Baptist evangelical,

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Speaker 4: like the man is ahead of the household. He and

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Speaker 4: his wife were on a podcast he had this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like they were on the podcast of I would

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Speaker 1: love to talk about this for a minute because I

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Speaker 1: love this so much. So Stephen Miller, who is I think,

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Speaker 1: at best a fascist and worst Nazi.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a spectrum. It's

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Speaker 4: like Mussolini Hitler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a Mussolini traits. He's got Hitler traits.

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Speaker 1: That guy has a wife who overtweezes her eyebrows and

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Speaker 1: has a podcast. Yes, and in our podcast of overtweet eyebrows.

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Speaker 1: She has members of Maga world come on and humiliate themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yes, discuss that's right. And uh, Mike Johnson was on

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Speaker 4: with his wife and they had this whole thing about

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Speaker 4: how men can men's.

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Speaker 1: Brains, Yeah, waffles, waffles.

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Speaker 4: Men's brains are like waffles, and women's brains are like spaghetti.

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Speaker 4: I know you got it wrong because you have a

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Speaker 4: spaghetti brain, whereas my waffle brain can keep these categories in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, congratulations, waffle brain. Congratulations is all I can say.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy that waffle brain.

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Speaker 4: And so the interesting thing is like there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of Republican women, but they do have like, you know,

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Speaker 4: like roughly thirty female members of Congress. And like the

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Speaker 4: guy who believes that men have waffle brains and women

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Speaker 4: have spaghetti brains, you know, like does not. I don't

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Speaker 4: think there's a single elected Republican women that holds a

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Speaker 4: chair in the House. And so like this other Marjorie

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Speaker 4: Taylor Green has said publicly, and it's some of our

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Speaker 4: female colleagues have said, like off the record, but like,

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Speaker 4: you know, like they're basically roadblocked at least, are not

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Speaker 4: you know, like these are not glorious Stein of type women, right,

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Speaker 4: they're not Erica Jean women, but they actually you know,

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Speaker 4: like they're typical you know, Republican professional women who you

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Speaker 4: don't want to be able to advance in their careers.

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Speaker 4: And you know, this guy who has like incredibly retrograde

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Speaker 4: gender politics is like in charge, and so he's unnecessarily

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Speaker 4: I think, like, oh, yes, just give people a few jobs.

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Speaker 4: You just have to give them a sense that they

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Speaker 4: can advance, right, But like he's so ideologically committed to

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Speaker 4: his sexism and it's not just him, like it's it's

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Speaker 4: a wider thing on the right. Like you know, one

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Speaker 4: of the big articles that had a huge kind of

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Speaker 4: thing was in Compact by yeah this women Helen Andrews Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, basically how women are ruining the workplace and

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Speaker 4: rad Ross do that? Did it write up in the Times?

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Speaker 4: And this is like you know, this is the ideology

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Speaker 4: of the larger right that like you know, which is

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Speaker 4: not even you know, like it's not even the old

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Speaker 4: like you know, we don't need affirmative action, but people

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Speaker 4: should rise on their merits. It's like no, no, like

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Speaker 4: like men should men rule women? Drul uh, which isself

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Speaker 4: is like you know, like you know, causing like real

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Speaker 4: U divide. I mean, there's one reason why Taylor gree

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Speaker 4: kind of wonderfully screwed though, Run run again.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I love about this situation is

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Speaker 1: that you really do see that women have they have

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Speaker 1: only so much tolerance for the kind of retrograde nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifties sexism that is so profoundly shitty. And to watch

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green and to watch Nancy Mace, who seems

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Speaker 1: like a complete nutter, and to watch these women just

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Speaker 1: be like no. And I think it's important to remember

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Speaker 1: we have all there are all these committees in the House,

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Speaker 1: and only one is headed by a woman, and it

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Speaker 1: is Virginia Fox. And she was a holdover from a

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Speaker 1: previous like he did not put a single woman in

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Speaker 1: a leadership position.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it's absolutely the case. I think there's

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Speaker 4: one woman that he's sort of close to, McCain from

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Speaker 4: I believe Michigan. But she himself said, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: he said about her that if I wanted someone to

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Speaker 4: make a turkey dinner, she'd be the one had yet,

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Speaker 4: so this is this is like tons of people. I

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Speaker 4: think that's also like a very underreported but like very

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Speaker 4: interesting Republican crackup. Yeah, I mean this. I think this

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Speaker 4: is a party that is like having a lot of

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Speaker 4: deep divisions, which I think is the one good news

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Speaker 4: that we can kind of offer, Like, you know, like,

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be harder for them to

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Speaker 4: implement any policy.

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Speaker 1: For sure, get here, please come back. Tom Steyer is

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Speaker 1: the founder of Far Lawn Capital and a candidate for

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Speaker 1: governor of the state of California. Welcome back. You've actually

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Speaker 1: been here before to fast politics tom Steyer. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: great to see it's running for governor of California. It's

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Speaker 1: like mayor of New York. It's a hard job.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a hard job at the best of times.

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Speaker 5: And we're in a time where we're going to be.

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Speaker 5: We are right now revenue challenged, and as a result

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Speaker 5: of what Donald Trump and his cohort have done in Washington,

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Speaker 5: d C. We're going to be more revenue challenge going forward.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have some hard decisions to make.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Tell me why you're going to be more revenue challenged

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Speaker 1: to a state.

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Speaker 5: I think everybody's going to be because I think the

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Speaker 5: Republicans and the Trump administration passed a bill that basically

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Speaker 5: did two things. It lowered tax rates for rich people

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Speaker 5: and big corporations, and it paid for it by taking

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Speaker 5: away healthcare benefits from working Americans and food benefits. So

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Speaker 5: that hits everybody in America, and specifically, in our case,

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Speaker 5: it hits us California.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty darn hard.

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Speaker 1: You are a rich person, and I say this as

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Speaker 1: someone who is not so rich, unfortunately for me, but

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Speaker 1: comes from a similar background. How do you make sense

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Speaker 1: of what the Trump administration is trying to do? You know,

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Speaker 1: I have a pretty clear sense of why I think

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Speaker 1: it's morally wrong and also financially stupid to lower taxes

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Speaker 1: on the wealthiest. But I'm curious, as someone who benefits,

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Speaker 1: probably as do I, from these tax cuts, why they're

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Speaker 1: so wrong.

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Speaker 5: Moley, let me take a step back and say why

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Speaker 5: I want to be governor of California, because it directly

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Speaker 5: addresses your question. The problem in California right now is

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Speaker 5: that the people who live in California, the working people

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Speaker 5: who've built the state, who make the state run, cannot

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Speaker 5: afford to live in California. Everything is too expensive to

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Speaker 5: fit into their budget, starting with rent, the ability to

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Speaker 5: buy a house. We're talking about electricity costs, insurance costs,

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Speaker 5: and specifically healthcare costs. So when I look at where

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Speaker 5: we are, the whole reason I'm running, I see California

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Speaker 5: as having a chance to create an amazing future where

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Speaker 5: we succeed together as a state, with the understanding that

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Speaker 5: the success of the state in terms of creating new businesses,

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Speaker 5: creating new industries, reinventing the world in many ways, is

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Speaker 5: going to be shared for everyone in the state. That

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Speaker 5: success having the top few people in the state make

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Speaker 5: inordinate amounts of money as a result of creating new

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Speaker 5: ideas and new businesses is not success. Success is when

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Speaker 5: the whole state moves forward together. The people who are

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Speaker 5: making the state run, who are working their hearts out,

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Speaker 5: who are giving to the state through their jobs and

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Speaker 5: their lives, participate in that. So, when you say to me,

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Speaker 5: how do I feel about the idea of increasing the

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Speaker 5: division in our country, of advantaging the people who least

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Speaker 5: need advantages at the expense of people whose needs are

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Speaker 5: not being met, whose dreams are being dashed, do I

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Speaker 5: think that that is okay? That's the opposite of what

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do, the opposite of what I believe

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Speaker 5: to be okay. And as you said, look, there's the

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Speaker 5: idea of what are we trying to do, what is

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Speaker 5: the right thing to do, what does our society stand for,

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Speaker 5: what should our society stand for? What is the vision

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Speaker 5: we have of success? And then there's just a question

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Speaker 5: of is there any intellectual idea that this works or

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Speaker 5: is it just plain stupid? And what we're seeing, and

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Speaker 5: we're seeing it very clearly in terms of employment numbers

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Speaker 5: that came out, how many people are working in America,

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Speaker 5: in terms of cost of living numbers that have been

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Speaker 5: coming out, is that the tariffs have failed, that the

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Speaker 5: Big Beautiful Bill has failed. We are seeing unemployment going

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Speaker 5: up very consistently for six months. Those numbers are new,

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Speaker 5: but they're just out. And we're seeing a failed administration

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Speaker 5: whose policies are doing the opposite of the grandiose promises

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump made in the campaign, and we're not

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Speaker 5: seeing there's no response from the administration. They don't have

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Speaker 5: any idea of how to cure the problems that they've

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Speaker 5: caused that are continuing and we can see are going

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Speaker 5: to accelerate.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about California is the fourth largest economy

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Speaker 1: in the world probably too big, even bigger than many

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Speaker 1: many countries. It strikes me that you guys have a

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Speaker 1: unique set of problems, from the economy being so big,

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Speaker 1: to the climate change stuff, to the fires. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you could just talk to us about what you

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Speaker 1: think the sort of biggest problems facing California right now are.

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Speaker 3: But the biggest problem, there's no question about of mine.

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Speaker 5: The biggest issue in California is that the majority of

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Speaker 5: Californias can't afford to live here. You're saying we have

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Speaker 5: unique problems, we have unique strengths. I'm incredibly optimistic about

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Speaker 5: what can happen in California because of the dynamism and

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Speaker 5: the creativity and the risk taking of the people in California.

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Speaker 5: We are a very data driven, incredibly hard working group

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Speaker 5: of people. And you can see that because in fact,

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Speaker 5: if you lump us all together, on average, we are

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Speaker 5: crushing it. Half the growth in the United States is

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Speaker 5: coming from California. This is a state which, if you

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Speaker 5: put us all together, looks like we're doing fantastically well.

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Speaker 3: And we are.

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Speaker 5: But then when you separated, you can see that most

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Speaker 5: people are living paycheck to paycheck, that most people are

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Speaker 5: struggling to make rent that most people don't think they'll

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Speaker 5: be able to afford a house. So the issue here

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Speaker 5: is much more about how do we succeed together. How

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Speaker 5: does this society, which is the state, which is incredibly

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Speaker 5: dynamic and incredibly creative, how do we make it so

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Speaker 5: that everybody moves up together so that it's not people

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Speaker 5: creaming the top. So we have a system, we meet

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Speaker 5: the needs that people have, We give them the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to live their their dream and as a result, we

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Speaker 5: have a picture of success that is not just good

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Speaker 5: on average, but is actually good from top to bottom

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Speaker 5: of society. That's success. That's what we're going for. So

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Speaker 5: when you say we have problems, I can talk to

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Speaker 5: you at length about insurance. I can talk to you

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Speaker 5: about how to avoid catastrophic fire. There are a million

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Speaker 5: things we need to do. There are new ideas and

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Speaker 5: new technologies. We're going to have to do things in

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Speaker 5: a new way. That's why I'm running for governor is

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Speaker 5: because there are answers to this. It's going to take

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Speaker 5: some new approaches. We're going to have to go after

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Speaker 5: some special interests who have loopholes in the tax law

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Speaker 5: that we're going to have to close. We're going to

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Speaker 5: have to meet the needs and bring down costs and

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Speaker 5: build again, actually succeed in the three dimensional world, not

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Speaker 5: just the cyber world.

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Speaker 3: Right, We're going to have to do all those things.

653
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Speaker 3: Those are all possible.

654
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Speaker 5: This whole idea, that's what we're going to have to

655
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Speaker 5: show is you know what, Let's get back to the

656
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Speaker 5: idea of knowing we can accomplish things. Let's get back

657
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Speaker 5: of getting things done, succeeding and show the world this

658
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Speaker 5: is what success looks like when a society moves up

659
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Speaker 5: together and actually does not just the parts of it

660
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Speaker 5: that we're crushing it right now, but we make sure

661
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Speaker 5: that everybody gets taken care of along the way.

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Speaker 1: So I think of you as a climate guy, which

663
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Speaker 1: is I think a very good thing for California, because

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Speaker 1: California feels uniquely situated to benefit from the kind of

665
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Speaker 1: clean energy that Trump has shut the door on. So

666
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Speaker 1: let's talk about what you could do as governor when

667
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Speaker 1: it comes to clean energy in California.

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Speaker 5: So let me say this, Molly, when I talk about

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Speaker 5: and I am specifically talking about dropping electricity rates by

670
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Speaker 5: at least a quarter, because that's an affordability issue for families.

671
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Speaker 5: It's a competitive issue for companies that work are located

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Speaker 5: in California and compete with companies outside the state or

673
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Speaker 5: outside the country. When I'm talking about affordability of electricity,

674
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about climate. When I'm talking about dropping asthma

675
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Speaker 5: rates for kids in the inner cities, I'm talking about climate.

676
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Speaker 5: And when I'm talking about participating and leading the energy

677
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Speaker 5: transition that is going on very rapidly worldwide and is

678
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Speaker 5: a gigantic business opportunity, I'm talking about climate. And so

679
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know this, and let me

680
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 5: say that it's a great Christmas gift, so you may

681
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 5: want to buy several hundred copies. I wrote a book,

682
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: yes two years ago, Cheaper, Faster, Better, And what I'm

683
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: saying is this, when we talk about the energy transition,

684
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Speaker 5: about giving people what they want right now. Better products, seaper,

685
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Speaker 5: faster better. We're also cheaper faster better. I don't put

686
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Speaker 5: in the word cleaner, but at this point, cheaper energy

687
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 5: is renewable, faster cars are electric, better solutions are technologically devised,

688
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Speaker 5: but they're to reduce.

689
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Speaker 3: Energy consumption overall.

690
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Speaker 5: So when I'm talking about giving people a better deal

691
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Speaker 5: and selling them things that they want or selling them

692
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Speaker 5: the same thing at a much cheaper price. I'm talking

693
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Speaker 5: about an energy transition that's a huge business opportunity, that's

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Speaker 5: a huge job creation engine, and which this administration, which

695
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has decided our answer is the twentieth century.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go.

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Speaker 5: Back and do caddies with big tail fins that get

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Speaker 5: three miles to the gallon.

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Speaker 3: It's like, the answer is, no one wants those, dude.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's wild. I mean, just the way we're

701
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Speaker 1: closing the door on green energy and then we see

702
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Speaker 1: energies up ten eleven percent this year and we're just

703
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Speaker 1: shutting it down. I mean, I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: thinking there is.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I think the thinking there, Molly, and I don't

706
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Speaker 5: want to be too simplistic, is let's hurt our enemies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go own the libs.

708
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Speaker 5: Let's attack people we don't like, regardless of the impact

709
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Speaker 5: on Americans, regardless of the impact on American prosperity and growth.

710
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Speaker 5: And when he says, let's you know, drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 5: Just to be clear, I don't know if you've been

712
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Speaker 5: following the cost, the price per barrel in West Texas

713
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Speaker 5: of a barrel of oil, but this morning was fifty

714
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Speaker 5: six bucks a barrel, and the lifting cost for a

715
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Speaker 5: marginal barrel of oil in West Texas is over sixty dollars.

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Speaker 5: So last I checked, putting the nation's economy based on

717
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Speaker 5: an oil business that has negative gross margins is not

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Speaker 5: what you call smart.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to ask you a question because this

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Speaker 1: oil thing gets me thinking about the many ways in

721
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Speaker 1: which Republican administrations have incentivized oil companies and bad businesnesses,

722
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Speaker 1: tobacco companies, the way in which they've put their thumb

723
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Speaker 1: on the scale for companies that are profoundly morally and

724
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Speaker 1: environmentally corrupt. And I'm wondering if you have any thoughts

725
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Speaker 1: about the idea of using tax incentives when it comes

726
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Speaker 1: to local news, when it comes to reporting, when it

727
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Speaker 1: comes to my personal situation.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if you know this, Molly, but

729
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Speaker 5: when my mom left Minnesota and came to New York City,

730
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Speaker 5: she worked for NBC and she ended up producing part

731
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Speaker 5: of the NBC evening news in the early days of TV.

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Speaker 5: She had a sense, and I grew up with a

733
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Speaker 5: sense with the news as not something that was built

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Speaker 5: around profits. But the news that was built abound responsibility.

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Speaker 5: It was almost the calling to deliver the truth to

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Speaker 5: the American people so they could be good citizens and

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Speaker 5: make good decisions.

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Speaker 3: That is how my mother saw the news.

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Speaker 5: That was the job of a newsperson was to deliver

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Speaker 5: the truth to American citizens. And so when we talk

741
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Speaker 5: about do I think that that's a critical function?

742
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Speaker 3: Absolutely critical?

743
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Speaker 5: Is it going to get delivered over different media right now?

744
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Speaker 3: Yes it is.

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Speaker 5: And understanding that and enabling that, trying to give Americans

746
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Speaker 5: an ability to discern truth to make sure that they're

747
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Speaker 5: not being misled, seems to me to be a critical

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Speaker 5: function of government.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about California. Like, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I know is my brothers in the movie business. They

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Speaker 1: are not filming in California right now. Everybody is filming

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Speaker 1: in Toronto. I was with a bunch of actors. They

753
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: were talking about how much they hate Toronto. It's such

754
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Speaker 1: a pain to get there because it's gold and it sucks.

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Speaker 1: The reason they're not filming in California is because the

756
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Speaker 1: tax incentives are much better in Toronto. That seems like

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Speaker 1: really a lot of money that is going to lie.

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Speaker 5: Look Traditionally, the creative industries around film and around TV

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Speaker 5: have been located in LA and there are a lot

760
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Speaker 5: of people are trying to poach those away. And I

761
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Speaker 5: think there's a couple of different things. The way I

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Speaker 5: understand it, Molly around this part is about overregulation, so

763
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Speaker 5: that the demands, the legal demands to film in LA

764
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Speaker 5: are extremely and extremely expensive. So it's not just that

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Speaker 5: Toronto's giving subsidies, they're also making it easy to do it.

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Speaker 5: So the first thing I can say is, let's stop

767
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Speaker 5: making mistakes. Let's stop making the perfect. The perfect the

768
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 5: enemy of the good. And that's something that's been true

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Speaker 5: where in an attempt to do everything perfectly, we've stopped

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Speaker 5: things from happening at all. When I say we're we're

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Speaker 5: going to build a million houses, part of it is

772
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Speaker 5: it's been impossible to get permits to build houses. It's

773
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Speaker 5: been impossible to meet zoning requirements to build houses. So

774
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Speaker 5: as a result, we have way too few houses, which

775
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Speaker 5: means rents too high. That is a huge affordability issue

776
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Speaker 5: concommonly in the movie industry. Taking away the expensive blocks

777
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Speaker 5: that are unnecessary and studying it. I'm not someone is

778
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Speaker 5: against regulation, but I'm someone who's strongly against overregulation. And

779
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Speaker 5: then the second question is about subsidization. Look, this is

780
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Speaker 5: an industry which is incredibly important to Los Angeles for

781
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Speaker 5: a number of reasons, and making sure that there are

782
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Speaker 5: no roadblocks to them competing successfully there is something that's

783
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Speaker 5: got to be incredibly important. But to me, the first

784
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Speaker 5: question is what are the things we're doing that are

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Speaker 5: free to change that make it better? And that's the

786
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Speaker 5: first thing I'd look at. And the second thing I'd

787
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Speaker 5: look at is, Okay, from a competitive standpoint, how is

788
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Speaker 5: it possible we're not winning that? Because you don't have

789
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Speaker 5: to fly to Los Angeles if you live in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about the fire step for another minute,

792
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Speaker 1: because we have a sort of problem with Alta Dina,

793
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Speaker 1: all the places that have been just destroyed by fire

794
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Speaker 1: and sort of the questions of rebuilding the environment, what

795
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Speaker 1: the groundwater is like, what the soils like? Give me

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Speaker 1: a thought on what you think. I mean, obviously it's

797
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Speaker 1: an unsolvable question, but where you are.

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Speaker 5: With that, it's not an unsolvable question. So let's take

799
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Speaker 5: a step back and talk about fire in California. Please,

800
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Speaker 5: So obviously California's ecosystem is a fire ecosystem. There have

801
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Speaker 5: been fires burning in the force of California for tens

802
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Speaker 5: of thousands of years. We're not trying to end fire

803
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Speaker 5: in California. We're trying to end catastrophic fire in California,

804
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Speaker 5: the kind of fire that is uncontrollable and threatened people's houses.

805
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Speaker 5: And so how do we actually talk about that. There's

806
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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of things we can do to end

807
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Speaker 5: catastrophic fires. Part of it is by good forest management,

808
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Speaker 5: which we didn't do for a really long time, which

809
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Speaker 5: includes controlled burns, making sure that we do, in fact

810
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Speaker 5: have the kinds of fires that reduce the possibility of

811
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Speaker 5: catastrophic fire. Secondly, we have an ability to monitor those

812
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Speaker 5: forests with drones on a real time basis, so that

813
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: in fact we can be much more aware of when

814
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Speaker 5: something happens, what the threat is and are able to

815
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Speaker 5: respond much quicker with much better technology. So that's the

816
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Speaker 5: second point. The third point is this ability to quote

817
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Speaker 5: unquote arden houses, to actually put in sprinklers and a

818
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Speaker 5: series of other not particularly expensive things has a much

819
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Speaker 5: better than ninety percent chance of saving a house in.

820
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Speaker 3: A catastrophic fire.

821
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Speaker 5: And when you put those three things together and you

822
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Speaker 5: say this is obviously unsolvable, it absolutely is not unsolvable.

823
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Speaker 5: It is absolutely solvable. The issue is going to be

824
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Speaker 5: to make sure those things happen and to make sure

825
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Speaker 5: that the insurance companies take into account the hardening that

826
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Speaker 5: families do so that their houses are basically fire resistant, fireproof.

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Speaker 3: Because look, we're.

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Speaker 5: The biggest housing market in the country, were the most

829
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Speaker 5: valuable housing market in the country. They have to want

830
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Speaker 5: to come here and write homeowners insurance. They just don't

831
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Speaker 5: want to write homeowners insurance at a loss. And so

832
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Speaker 5: we've got to do the job of bringing down any

833
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Speaker 5: likelihood of catastrophic fire and insist that insurance companies take

834
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Speaker 5: that into account, because we're talking a completely different risk

835
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Speaker 5: reward for them. We want to insist that they do

836
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Speaker 5: the work because when you see people do that kind

837
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: of proactive work in insurance, you can drop those insurance

838
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 5: costs by up to ninety percent. And that's what we

839
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: need to do. We need to manage this system as

840
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Speaker 5: opposed to throw up our hands and let the insurance

841
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Speaker 5: companies throw up their hands.

842
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

843
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Speaker 3: Tom Stier, Paulick, what a treat to talk to you.

844
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Speaker 1: No normal, Jesse Cannon, Mike, we keep seeing Maga splintering.

845
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Speaker 2: It really is the end of the year story. And

846
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Speaker 2: at the Turning Point USA conference this weekend, everybody was

847
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: just expecting it to be singing we Are Charlie Kirk

848
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Speaker 2: all weekend, but it turned out the girls are fighting.

849
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Speaker 2: And by the girls, I mean Bed Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

850
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Speaker 1: I mean they're really fighting over MAGA. And I don't

851
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: like anyone involved in any of this at all. So

852
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: here we are, We're in Phoenix. They are all together

853
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: at Turning Point. They're basically fighting to be whoever is

854
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: the heir apparent to Maga. And by the way, I

855
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: mean I don't like Ben Shapiro, but he calls out

856
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: commentators blasting Candace Owens. Tucker calls and Meghan Kelly and

857
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon as frauds and grifters as opposed to Ben Shapiro.

858
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Speaker 2: Mike, can you remind me who got Candace Woan's her

859
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: platform again?

860
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Speaker 1: I seem to remember Candice Owens being discovered by Ben Shapiro.

861
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm and Turning Point USA before that.

862
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and in fact, You liked her when her crazy

863
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: rantings were aligned with you, but now that she's doing

864
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Speaker 1: anti semitism or not, you don't like it so much.

865
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Speaker 1: But you know it was always this was always going

866
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Speaker 1: to get to anti semitism.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and you know where it's gotten her. She was

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Speaker 2: the number one podcast all week this.

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Speaker 1: Week, right, No, no, I mean they created a monster

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Speaker 1: and now she's going to destroy.

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Speaker 2: Us all yep, they created a monster and they don't

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Speaker 2: see that. They're going to keep doing these things because

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Speaker 2: this is what they're discs testing, rhetoric, breeds.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone should be surprised. This is

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Speaker 1: where we are and they did this, and now Ben

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Speaker 1: Shapiro is upset because when you go down this rabbit hole,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens. None of us should be surprised.

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