1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: If the money was right, would y'all do a BT 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: comic view set? 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: If the money was wrong? 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 3: If the money is wrong, you love it that much 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: that you're like, Nah, I'll go do it tonight. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: I need seven dollars. I get seven minutes to yeah, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: just to do it. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, damn. I think I would do it out of 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 3: ego more than out of genuine belief that I would 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: do well enjoy it. 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't think it's going to like take 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: my career to the next level or anything like that, 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: more than I would even kill. But you know, you 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: gotta do it. 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: I if they offered it, I think I do fine, 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: But I don't think that I'd be like j sliding 17 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: his dick, you know what I mean? 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Same set that chips in your. 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: Qualitys are racists. The money turkey stuff, I can't tell me. 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: But did it did that. 21 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 5: That? 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 3: Dude? 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? Ye yay. 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: There it is. 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 6: There. 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: It is ladies. 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: And gentlemen, gentiles and little mamas alike. 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: There it is. 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told. 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: of black conspiracy theories and. 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: We finally work to prove that what Will Smith is 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: experiencing is in fact a lingering curse from the dark 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: skinned and bim that bitch play on him some some 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: thirty years years ago for the bullshit he was proving, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: and all of this is the fallout from that curse. 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: And I know they've made up. 38 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: I know they squashed the beef in a public sense, 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: but what she fucking felt all those years ago, for 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: the way that she that he played her, that's a 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: curse that can't be lifted, you know what I mean? 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: That ain't that ain't going nowhere. Just because y'all hugged 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: on HBO Max, I'm Lnston Kerrman. 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm David Bori, and I would argue what he was 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: experiencing was that Dwayne Martin, he was murdering his ship. 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: He was like, I don't even like that ship, but 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: he was. 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 7: He was like, bro, just as a fan of the game, 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 7: a fan of backshit as a profession, that Nigga was 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 7: killing him. 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 8: I couldn't believe that was what because you know Twitter 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 8: or Twitter gives you just the phrase, and it was 53 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 8: like he was he was killing him as like a 54 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 8: trending topic. 55 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, this is gonna get sad. 56 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: This is gonna be a fucking like something related to 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: evil in Palestine right now, Like it's gonna be some 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: ugly shit, And instead it was just the greatest video 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: that could be out right now. 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: I get it though, because I've just you've seen like 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: animals before, you'd be like, God, damn, I'm just killing 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: that Yeah, that's a that's a wild dome. 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that dog ain't got no home training. 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: Thank god, they're outside. 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say, And we have to introduce our guests, 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: and frankly, if you want to jump, and you're more 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: than welcome. We realize that this is a this is 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: a trendy topic to leave you just waiting on. But 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: I will say, I will say that it makes me 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: sad if if true, And obviously there's there's plenty of 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: reason to believe that this is just made up from 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: a toxic man upset about losing his relationship with Will Smith. 73 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: But if true, I will say, it breaks my heart 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: that they don't get to kill each other in a public, 75 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: safe way, that they can't truly be honest about the 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 3: relationship that they obviously had. 77 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: Oh you think Will Smith was trying to kill as 78 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 2: well as be killed. No, no, no, I don't think he's switching. 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: I think if will Smith gets killed like that, he 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: just stays killed like that. But I'm saying I wish 81 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: that their partnership could be honest out in the world 82 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: and not just something that an assistant would walk in 83 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: on and then say on a sad podcast. Do you think, Yeah, yeah, 84 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: I don't think you can clap cheeks the way he 85 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: described it, and and anyone is unaware there was due 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: to a season thrown all over the walls, the floor, 87 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: the ceiling in a stunt. 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 6: That's that's the smell of passion. 89 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get nobody supposed to be here. 90 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: We Oh, I just want I just want them to 91 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: be in love, man, I really do. 92 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: I don't think love was what was going on in there. Yeah, 93 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. Man. 94 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: Killing this ship our guest today to bring you Sorry, sorry, bro, 95 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: this is I cannot. I wish I could tell you 96 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: that this was a unique experience, and you are this 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: was some sort of personal thing to you. 98 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: It is not. 99 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: We rarely set anybody up for a comfortable entrance. 100 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: That's a problem. 101 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: It's we just be talking and then we and then 102 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: afterwards we're like, damn, whoo, all right, well this has 103 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 3: nothing to do with with this very funny person we've 104 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: asked to be here, but here we are. Our guest 105 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: today is so fucking funny. 106 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 2: He's great. 107 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: You know him from Comedy Central. You know him, and 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: this is important. This is a little bit of of 109 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: of I can what is it? 110 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: I can agraphy? What's the word that? That's it? 111 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: This nigga's an icon right now and not getting enough 112 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: credit for it. He is the first, as far as 113 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: I know, the first black beard in history. Stars in 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: a Postmates commercial proving it documented. 115 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: Ain't no, ain't been no black black Beard before. 116 00:06:59,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: This, nigga. 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 5: Give it up for our guest, mister Keith Johnson. 118 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: You want me to say the line? Yes, oh we 119 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: go be pilligent. We gonna be pilligent people all the time. 120 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 9: Man, I got it. 121 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 6: Up. 122 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: There There are two real black icons. Man. All that 123 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: was Big Dog. He had a run. 124 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. 125 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: I met him one time. Really he wasn't interested. 126 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: Okay, damn. 127 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah no, He's like, I'm not gonna talk to you 128 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: about that. No, I just I didn't even say anything 129 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: about all Start. We were recording in the same studio 130 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: because that's where he does them. Yeah, but he can 131 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: see in your eyes you wanted it too. 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't respect him the way he wants to 133 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: be respected. 134 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: I think I was too much respect. 135 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: Oh you think this was like overwhelming? 136 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? And he had just hopped out of a Porsche. 137 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: I was leaving in an uber. 138 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: Okay, I got. 139 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: Keith. Yeah, man, man. 140 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 6: I caught up on the Will Smith news. 141 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: That's why I came in kind of blind to it, 142 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: and now I'm seeing it. 143 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 6: No, you didn't you do that? And I was like, okay, 144 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 6: but it makes sense. It does make sense, And I think. 145 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: That's why he played Yeah, he played quiet for so 146 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: long because he got secrets. 147 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jada, I believe Today a video came out of 148 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 3: Jada leaving a building and a paparazzi person asking her 149 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: what you what do you think of these these allegations whatever, 150 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: and she stops in the street and says, suing, we 151 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: were suing or suing that shit or some shit like 152 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: truly is like being vocally like what the fuck? 153 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: That's all of it? Yeah, that was crazy. 154 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to reach this level. 155 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: I thought you didn't think it was going to reach 156 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: this level. 157 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: No, I you know what, they for years never paid 158 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 3: attention to anything anyone said about them. It used to 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: be that they ignored everything, which is how they kept 160 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: their problems so quiet. And then the post table, red 161 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: table talk era they transformed into now we will address 162 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: every single rumor about us, and I didn't. I'm still 163 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: not used to that with them. I thought maybe they 164 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: would just ignore it like they had when they were 165 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: true fucking powerhouse people in the industry. 166 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 6: Now they're messy bitches who loved drawing. Yeah. 167 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird energy that shifted and that's crazy. 168 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeh man. 169 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: Fuck were you a Will Smith guy? 170 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, big Willie style. 171 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: I bumped the I bumped the Men in Black album, 172 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Watch all the movies Fresh Prince. I mean, this is 173 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: kind of a conspiracy theory, but I think the two 174 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: black archetypes in Hollywood right now are It's either you're 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: a Will Smith guy you know you got the jeans 176 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: with the big Jordan's on, or you're a Kanye guy. 177 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah so you have you had. These are the two, 178 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, cultural icons that we followed. 179 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: So damn, yeah, damn, that's heartbreaking. The two. 180 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 6: We're done. 181 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, you're not wrong. 182 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: I definitely. I mean I rode for them separately but 183 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: equally at various points in my life. 184 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: We have I would say, I don't even feel like 185 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: I rode for Will Smith because it was such a 186 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: given right. Does that make sense? Like people, when people 187 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 2: would be like, I'm a Will Smith man, I'd be like, yeah, 188 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: shut up, loser, every good. I remember I had a 189 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: teacher in eighth grade and she was like, I Will 190 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: Smith and he doesn't cut in his wraps. And I 191 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: was like, shut up, bitch, you know what I mean? 192 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: Because it was just like it was so ingrained in 193 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: the culture that you didn't even have to like acknowledge it, 194 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: you know. 195 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: He just was for such a specific era. He was 196 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: such a defining type of cool that like I don't 197 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 3: know that I'll ever undo from my head, you know 198 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like he was the coolest motherfucker on 199 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: the plane my brain, and and that can't be fixed. 200 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Like I still watch them old episodes, I'd be like 201 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: this nigga cool man, God damn things, just fucking cool. 202 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: He was cool. But here's the problem for me. He 203 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: was so cool that I felt like such the other 204 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: that I never related to gotcha. You know what I'm saying. 205 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: He was so cool. It was past being aspirational, you 206 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I'm a Jeffrey guy from 207 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: that guy. 208 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: I think I in my head and I think this 209 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: is probably the ego of comedians and people who want 210 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: to be fucking stars like us. 211 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 5: I think I did think I could be that cool someday. 212 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: Damn. 213 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: I think I didn't think I was at the time. 214 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: I think I understood my place. But I was like, nah, 215 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: if I if I get a few things together, I. 216 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: Mean yeah, like if you got the right team. Yeah, 217 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: in my brain, I was like, nah, I get next Summers, 218 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: Like if I get an agent. If I get an agent, 219 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: I can have Dwayne Martin. 220 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 6: It's just me. 221 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: The moment I realized Will Smith was cool was it 222 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: was the I think it was a pilot episode and 223 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: he sat down at the piano and he had his 224 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: tux seed on with the Georgia and he started playing 225 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: for at least and You're like, yo, he got gears, bro, 226 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: he got depth that was like black depth that we've 227 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: never seen before. You know, he could play the piano too. 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: He taking him for granted. 229 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we could just rap man man. Yeah 230 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: he had it. Yeah, this is hard, this is they 231 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: ain't got it no more. 232 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: Anyway. 233 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Will Smith apologies just like we had 234 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: like the older generation had, oh like Bill Cosby, Like, no, 235 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: he didn't do it, he didn't do it. 236 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna be like, well, he's complicated, he's heard. It 237 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: pumps me out that Dwayne Martin was doing. But you 238 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: think he could have gone. I'm not against Dwayne. 239 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: You think he was lowering his I think I. 240 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: Think he could have gotten somebody a little more. 241 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: Remember what a rising start doing, ain't Martin was when 242 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: they began their relationship. 243 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: That's true, Like he had what he only had a 244 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: couple of basketball movies at that point, right. 245 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he seemed like a dude probably, 246 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: you know, on the fucking way right. 247 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: Right above the rim just came out. You know what. 248 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: It reminds me of remember in the in the the 249 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: fucking Jordan doc that the Bulls doc that they just did. 250 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: Remember on the bus when Michael Jordan's listening to the 251 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: music and he's. 252 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: Dancing like this. 253 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: Forget he's just doing this ship first time and then 254 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: and it's like, Michael, what are you listening to He says, huh, oh, 255 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: it's that new Kenny. 256 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: No, wait, no, it'smore but it's that new Kenny Lettimore. 257 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: And everybody's like, oh ship Kenny, let him Moore, he 258 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: got the new thing. 259 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: It ain't even out yet, and nobody gives a fuck about. 260 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: Kenny Lattimore anymore, you know what I mean. But at 261 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: the time Michael Jordan was fucking getting new Kenny. 262 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: Latimore doing that weird dance. I realized we never seen 263 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan dance, like for real. Yes, we're there, right right, 264 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: right right? He always Yeah. 265 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: When did he When do you think he like shifted 266 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: to becoming like a bad dresser. 267 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: I think as soon as he got any modicum of 268 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: control over his dress, Yeah, I agree? Does that make sense? 269 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: Like I think when he was in the height of it, 270 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: he had no he was not picking clothes or designs 271 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: or anything. I think as soon as like he could 272 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: pick the jeans, I think yeah. 273 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: And I also I think it was that in that 274 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: it became a shift between Nike and the Jordan brand 275 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: being tethered together and Nike and the Jordan brand separating. 276 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: Right right after the separation, Nike stopped having control, and 277 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: he's just a dude in charge. So he's like, I 278 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: don't need a fucking stylist. I'm not paying for a 279 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: fucking stylist. I'll dress myself. I'm the goddamn CEO. And 280 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: them jeans got so thick. 281 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: You remember how ambitious, You remember how how ambitious Jordan 282 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: Brand was in the early odds. Yeah, I was watching 283 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: an episode of King and Queen's the other day and 284 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: the black dude was wearing a Jordan turtleneck and jeans, 285 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: and you were like, whoa, we thought he could give 286 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: us that, like a turtleneck. 287 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 288 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, he became Republican. 289 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 6: That's when it shifted. 290 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: And he's like, you know what, Yeah, come on, baby, Okay, 291 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 292 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: I think he became Republican after that first championship I was. 293 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: I think he was like, oh I didn't I ain't 294 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: got to care about nothing. 295 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: No, I think it was after the first check. Oh. 296 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: You think immediately in the NBA he was like, fuck 297 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: these niggas back home. 298 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: I think so. You never he doesn't have like even 299 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: to his credit, even Will Smith has like a Charlie 300 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: Mac you know what I mean, friends, friends from Philadelphia. 301 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: You don't hear about nobody hanging out with Jordan from 302 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: North Carolina. That's true. 303 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: He's got he's got an older brother that does not 304 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 3: seem to come around that often. 305 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: You've got an older brother who said he who can hoop? 306 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: Apparently he said he was better than him. Never never 307 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: hear about that guy, Larry, right, Larry Jordan. 308 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: I believe so, yeah. 309 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 6: I believe it's Larry lj and his son. You know 310 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 6: his son doesn't. 311 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: J Yeah, No, yeah, his son doesn't. His kids don't 312 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: really fuck with him like that, which is too bad 313 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: because huge guy man. 314 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: The father figure. 315 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: Oh boy, imagine your dad being so awful that you 316 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: that you go to Larsa Pippen now and say, let's 317 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: make something happen to hear, baby. 318 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: How unstable was like that? That's that's the that's the 319 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: grounding force, baby, I'm ready to build. Yeah, this is 320 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: this is the most stable. You're the most stable person 321 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: in my life. 322 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta stop fucking around and focus. 323 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: I've known you since since you came to my fifth 324 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: birthday party. Because she must have been there, right, No, 325 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: they got married late. 326 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 3: Though, No, apparently she used the babysitter. 327 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so that does part of me is like 328 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: that's pretty cool, like just like initial feeling. 329 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: No, no, no, See, this is where I disagree with you, 330 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: and I know what you're doing. I know what you're 331 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: about to do. You're you're heading in the direction of 332 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: sort of saying that like we anybody who can fuck 333 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: their babysitter, hats off, kudos. 334 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think a lot of people fuck 335 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: their babysitter and it's a huge bummer, okay because of 336 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: sexual assault. 337 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 5: But sure, okay, I get it, Jimmy, all right. 338 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: I'm saying that he hung out in the pocket and 339 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: came back and got it the game, you know what 340 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Like call that Drake Lyric, you know what 341 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: I mean. 342 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: I guess where I start to worry is at the 343 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: end of the day. This is still in that long game. 344 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: You are watching her have a full relationship with Scottie 345 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: Pippen and then lose that full relationship, lose his marriage 346 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 3: because she fucked future which that. 347 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: And then went on. 348 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: Reality television show, not even a successful reality television show, 349 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 3: to go be a problem elsewhere, like you've seen a 350 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: lot of bad shit, to then be like I'm gonna 351 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: marry this lady. Fuck guys, this went very dark immediately. 352 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: Problem is because we started with him killing that ship. 353 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: Where were we gonna go? 354 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, But Keith, you came to us with 355 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: a conspiracy that that at least will cause more problem. 356 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: No, I think this is all. 357 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: This is has the potential to be a positive episode, 358 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: a rare, just uplifting, beautiful episode, because you said, my 359 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: mama told me. 360 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: Ray J is the guy I find out of culture. 361 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 6: He started it. 362 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: All All things go to ray J, and there's a 363 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: connecting line and in every I wish I had my 364 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: map with the red strings to connect the dots to 365 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: show y'all. 366 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 6: But he's there, he's president. I remember when. 367 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: We were at I was at the house, David, we 368 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: were watching, uh, what's that channel? 369 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 6: We were watching Zeus? 370 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: Oh Zeus? 371 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 6: And you're like, you know who owns this? 372 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 2: Good? 373 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: Good for you for calling it a channel. 374 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: I don't think. 375 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: I don't even think they have have the right. 376 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: I think there's like legal ramifications for them referring to 377 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 3: themselves as a channel. 378 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: The Anthrew Bachelor, King Batch, ray J Enterprise. That's that's 379 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: a big deal. 380 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Wait, is King is King Batcher a dual owner 381 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: inside of this, him and j Fellas. 382 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 6: I did not know that. 383 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: I knew. I knew Rag he had East, I. 384 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: Knew ray J was was an owner. But King Batch 385 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: being an owner of that is fucking that's a that's 386 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: a surprise twist for me. 387 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's keep spaying. Yeah, I went to school with him. Yeah, 388 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: whoa who So that's how you knew. Yeah, it's hard 389 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: for me to call around. I can't call you are 390 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Andrew Bachelor. I'll say this. I respect his commitment to 391 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: the brand. There's been a lot of reasons for him 392 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: at some point to stop referring to himself as King Batch, 393 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: and he's been like not, that's that's the that's what 394 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I picked. 395 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 6: Heavy is the crown. 396 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 3: Heavy is the burger king Crown. So so all things 397 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: point to ray J. A tell us where this started 398 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 3: for you? I mean, like I said, the breakdown of 399 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 3: cultural icons. 400 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: Right, you got Will Smith, you got Kanye if you 401 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: look on the right side, you got Kanye West, who 402 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: married Kim Kardashian, Right who started you know Kim Kardashian's career. 403 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Here's the inside information that I have. I used to 404 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: work for the Kardashians, rumor is that we that the 405 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: mom went to the went to Buna Murray and was like, 406 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: we need to make this. We got the tape, we 407 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: need to we need to flip it into a show. 408 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: And then that was the beginning. Sure, wait she went 409 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: to the production company. Yeah, man, that's what Joyn Martin 410 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: should have done. 411 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but all right, yeah yeah, I just want them 412 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: living out loud, even. 413 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: If it's messy. 414 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 6: You want to watch it. 415 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: Come on, man, I want to see them cheeks get murdered. 416 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: For real. Here's here's my question. Do you think because 417 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: ray J is the godfather of culture, do you think 418 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: he was picked for that specific task of being the 419 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: one to roll out Kim Kardashian. 420 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 5: Right, Golden child. 421 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: Well, like she had seen him and she was like, 422 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of other people, but this guy 423 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: seems to be the guy who could get us over 424 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: the hump. Because what's that right? Right, that's a good 425 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: that's a good question. Who are her previous boyfriend? 426 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 9: Though? 427 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: It was like Nick Cannon, it was christ Like they 428 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: didn't have the sauce. 429 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 6: They didn't have that. 430 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: Like. The thing about is he has the dark side 431 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: of him, which is what allows him to be like, 432 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: you know what, the black community will be fine if 433 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: we put out zeus there. We're not gonna be hurt 434 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: by it, even though it is going to be damaging 435 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to us. So he has that, he has that like 436 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: villain thing where you're like, it's yeah, it's not sorry, 437 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: but you're gonna like did the world change because of 438 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian? 439 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 440 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I hum. You know what's weird about ray 441 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: J is I to your point about him turning it off. 442 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: I truly think that the most terrifyingly powerful people on 443 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 3: this planet are people who don't have to move with 444 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 3: any fear of repercussions, and I think that he is 445 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: an example of one of those individuals. Donald Trump is 446 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: another who sort of moves in that same way where 447 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: it's just like, bro, whatever's in you it, it doesn't 448 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 3: fear anything like some I'm afraid of so many things 449 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: that could happen to me, and ray. 450 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 5: J is not. 451 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: And you see it all the time when he's moving, 452 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Rey J moves like he 453 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: assumes he's gonna live forever. I've been I was excited 454 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: that you brought this up because like, this is a 455 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: conversation I've had with so many people like that, just 456 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: like I think about how many times you've had that talk, 457 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: where like I just known I probably had that conversation 458 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: with ten different dudes. 459 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is like people make fun of 460 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 3: ray J, or had historically made fun of ray J 461 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: a lot. But I actually think that was much more 462 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: of like a white thing than it was a black thing. 463 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: Like I think niggas were more like, now I know 464 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: what that is? 465 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: How this thing? 466 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I ain't. Nobody was like mad at ray J, 467 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: and then white people sort of made him more of 468 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: like a direct punchline of being like, look at this 469 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: stupid because he was he all the fixings out there 470 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 3: to make fun of. He's a little guy, he's Brandy's brother. 471 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: He does all these antics. It seems like an easy target. 472 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, the antics are hilarious. 473 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: It's very funny. 474 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 6: I don't care. 475 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I don't get a lot of stuff 476 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: he's done. He's so hilarious. He's fucking hysterical. But is 477 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: he ever lost? 478 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 5: No, he's never lost. 479 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: His reggae ever taken to L what? What? What? What's 480 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: the j L? 481 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 5: No? 482 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: I don't. 483 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I think at best you could say that 484 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: like there was that period I think where he was 485 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: like he had like trouble. 486 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: With his his kid. 487 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: Because him and the girl had broken up whatever. But 488 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: like even then, nobody was rooting against rag Je. Everybody's 489 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: just like I don't know. 490 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: And he met with Donald Trump, just so I know 491 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: you compared him to they they met unscathed. 492 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 6: No one touched him. They fucked Kanye up, but they 493 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 6: didn't ray J. Yeah, I pulled up. 494 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: Anytime anytime he has taken an l because I'm thinking 495 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: him back on the time, didn't didn't like fabulous make 496 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: him play like the piano or something, or it was 497 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: something ray J had to was that or was that Mayweather? 498 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: You're thinking it was Mayweather? I think made him play 499 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: the piano or told him to play the piano and 500 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 3: he sort of like had a it was a bad performance. 501 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: I think I ate it alive and I recovering that correctly. 502 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: But even then, it's like, yeah, but we wouldn't. Ray 503 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: J just went viral again, like yeah, he's just winning, baby. 504 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: It's he never even even with the funny glasses, how 505 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: many of those glasses did he sell? 506 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: Them, way more than he was gonna sell exactly exactly, 507 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: way more bunny Eyes than Bunny Eyes is gonna be 508 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: able to push there themselves. 509 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: Come on, that was a stupid idea. 510 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: It's fucking idiotic. Even when he did it, like, there 511 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: was never a moment in me where I was like, oh, 512 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: but if he wasn't being silly, that's actually cool like that, 513 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: I can see how why they would do that. 514 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: I was like, this is this doesn't make anything. 515 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: He has headphones too, right then he come on, rayconphone, 516 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: no else, no else, take ain't spent. 517 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember when Raycon's first 518 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: came out, but but part of the entire pitch of 519 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: Raycon was being like, Apple is trash. You've been dealing 520 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: with these Apple fucking headphones all this time. 521 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: When you have Raycon's. 522 00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: Baby, look at my Raycons say the same size, they longer, 523 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 7: and they taste good. 524 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 6: Who up with Steve. 525 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: John Yo, That's what I'm saying. Crazy. Come on, you 526 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: can't see. And he didn't lose. 527 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: He just didn't. He just did what ray J was 528 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: supposed to do. I could buy some ray conc to 529 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: the website. I don't think you should. I'll be honest, 530 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: I think he's a winner. I don't think the products 531 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: are pretty good. 532 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: I think he just doesn't have the machine behind it. 533 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: But if he did, they would have been the beats 534 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: by Dre easily. 535 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: Yeah. Sure. 536 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Even if you don't have that 537 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: machine to make it a billion dollar company, it could 538 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: still be a ten million dollar company. Yeah you know 539 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's like still and you add that 540 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: along with the media empire, like Rayj is getting money everywhere. Right, 541 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: what's motor scooty bikes? 542 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's that bike. 543 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: Bro. I'm saying he's a mogul. Yeah. 544 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: No, he's a real mogel for truly. 545 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: Yea. 546 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: And I watched a bunch of those shows. 547 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 6: Didn't take it entertainment, always good entertainment. 548 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: And I mean he just he never got embarrassed. It 549 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: was always just like women fighting over him, him being 550 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: like princess, you don't need to do this, just like 551 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: Raj and he's like, all right, all of her friends 552 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: and she comes back. That's all the show. Like, the 553 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: show was him. 554 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 6: Not taking a loss, no losses. 555 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, from from that moment, right, he creates Kim Kardashian. 556 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: That's during the last writers strike. Then the writer strikes 557 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: spawn reality nonscripted television, which is the world we live 558 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: in now. If you go overseas, right, everyone's looking like 559 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. She became the American beauty standard. 560 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: For I mean, if you go to Glendal, if you. 561 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 6: Don't need to travel, you could just go to Glyndal. 562 00:30:54,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: Which some people would argue his overseas, Yeah, across that 563 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: treacherous l a river. No, but I mean even here, 564 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: you walk around down here, I live downtown. You walk 565 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: around downtown now all the girls of everything yea, And 566 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: that's because of Raja. 567 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, ray j really trade trained white women to uh 568 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: to erase their bodies and somebody else's body in a 569 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: way that they were they were terrified of before before 570 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: he came around. 571 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: Which which also means ray j in injected like give 572 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: some life back into the plastic surgery industry. Whoa, like 573 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: if we're drawing. He also did like Dr Miami, you 574 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: gotta think Rajia damn. Yeah, Nip tuck is off the air. 575 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: This is this is at this point, we are sober 576 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: to what that industry represents. Yeah, we don't. 577 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: It's not iconic the way that it used to be. 578 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 3: And then ray J shows up and he's like, but 579 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: what if them titties were made out of the meat 580 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: from your back? 581 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: And then. 582 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 6: And not to make it dark, but how did Kanye's 583 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 6: mom died? 584 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: Fuck? 585 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 6: He don't? 586 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: Whoa okay, Yo, So RAJ doesn't do that. It's almost 587 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: as if Kanye was sacrificed for rage. Fuck because all right, 588 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: I didn't look, I don't. 589 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get y'all, you know by the 590 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: c I I but I'm just giving y'all the breadcrumbs 591 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: to follow, because the ship gets dark any turn. It 592 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: could just get dark when it was ray J Bourne 593 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, what happened in nineteen eighty one? 594 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 6: Crack cocaine? 595 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: So whoa okay, wait a minute, chill out. We need 596 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 3: to take a break. We need to take a break. 597 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: It's starting to get fucking scary over here. We're gonna 598 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: take a break. We're gonna come back from Morgan Johnson 599 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: and more. My mama told me. 600 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: We are back with Keith Johnson talking about how all 601 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: roads lead to ray J. To be honest, I mean, 602 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: I think we've proven it somewhat at this point, and 603 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: that in that somehow ray J Kanye West what sacrificed 604 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: for RAYJ, which is which is difficult. 605 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not an easy thing to hear out loud 606 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: and and maybe a more difficult thing to prove. But 607 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: I'm excited Keith to get into some of this research 608 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: with you because I think maybe this will help guide 609 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: your hand in sort of piling up even more evidence 610 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: and or substantiating the evidence you're already laid in front 611 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: of us. As you may or may not know, you 612 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: both probably do. The original sort of source that is 613 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: pointed to for this conspiracy theory is Vince Staples. Vince 614 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: Staples is sort of like the mass media source of it. 615 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 3: He's in a interview in twenty fifteen on Rosenberg and 616 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 3: I think Tyler the Creator is there and he goes, 617 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: you gotta get this dude to tell you about what 618 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: he believes about ray J, and then Vince Staples breaks 619 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 3: down all of ray J's sort of interconnectedness throughout history, 620 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: relating to all the shit, the music, the relationships, the 621 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: sex tape, the reality television, the trend setting, the booty niggas. 622 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 5: All this stuff he breaks it down. 623 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 3: Now he also does, and this is where the research 624 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 3: sort of starts to become interesting. 625 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: He also does this. 626 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: Interview with g Q right that same year. They ask 627 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: him to basically sit down and explain it more to 628 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 3: white people. 629 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 5: It seems like he. 630 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 3: Basically does the same topics, but they make him articulated 631 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 3: a little more like clearly. And then in that article 632 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: he tells them. He tells the interviewer that RAYJ is 633 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: so influential that all you need to do is simply 634 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: google ray J at right now and a TMZ article 635 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: from a few hours ago will pop up. And that 636 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 3: researcher does do that. He googles RAYJ and that is 637 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: in fact true at the time a TMZ article immediately linked. 638 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: And remember this is eight years ago, and in that article, 639 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 3: the headline is ray J becoming a Jew. Hah oh no, 640 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 3: I swear to God. Eight years ago, there is a 641 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 3: TMZ and this is a weird bullshit bait and switch 642 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 3: ass headline because all it actually is is RAYJ going 643 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 3: and having a meal with some Jewish homies at a 644 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 3: kosher restaurant in like popular ass New York City, trendy shit. 645 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 3: And he has this kosher restaurant meal and he interviews 646 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, it was. 647 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: Just telling me about like circumcision to shit. He's like, yeah, he's. 648 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 3: Like learning Jewish culture and shit. But they TMZ is 649 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: having a boring day. So they say, is ray J 650 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 3: becoming a Jew? But there is no doubt in my mind? 651 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 3: And I can't wait to hear you all thoughts that 652 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: a Kanye West from eight years ago sees this article 653 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 3: still filled with the rage that he is filled with 654 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 3: at ray J sees that he's becoming a Jew, does not, 655 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 3: in fact read that article and then decides he hates Jews. 656 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna just add I'm gonna add to that. Kanye 657 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 3: is seven years ahead of his time, right, so he's 658 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: often talking to us. Yeah, so when that happened, he's 659 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 3: talking to us in a different time space. 660 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: So what what's really happening. It's not World War three 661 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: we need to prep for. It's the final fight between 662 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: ray J and Kanye as. 663 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: Nigga don't hate Jews. 664 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 3: He just think ray J is a Jew and he 665 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: hates ray J. 666 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: He really hates ray J the hard All that though, 667 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 2: for me is like I can't hate ray J, but. 668 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 3: You're not You're not a psychopath, my man, fair, I 669 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 3: really appreciate that. I think Kanye is legit out of 670 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 3: his mind, and so he has something that none of 671 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 3: us can do, which is hate for ray J. 672 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, right right, because I he's just 673 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: so lovable. Yeah, he's fucking adorable. 674 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: That's an adorable forty five year old man. 675 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: He hasn't really ate. 676 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking up a picture right now, ray J. 677 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: He has the blonde hair with the dark hoodie. Yeah, yeah, it's. 678 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 2: Come on, you got yo. I just googled him to 679 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 2: see about that. And this isn't this isn't a week ago, 680 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: but Jackie Harry stuns fans when they learned through resurface 681 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: clip she hooked up with ray J. This is a 682 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 2: on man, Jackie har Come on. 683 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 3: Man, and we're talking about abuse that that's gotta be bored. 684 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what he did. I bet it was 685 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: after sister sister for sure. 686 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: Come on, I don't know, and I'm not gonna ask. 687 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: And even if I did, which who's gonna hold who accountable? 688 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: That's jack A and ray J. They deserve. 689 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 3: I'm not telling the queen she can't fuck her cousin, 690 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 3: and I'm not telling jack A Harry she can't sexually 691 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: assault ray J. 692 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 2: Oh. I forgot he also was with Whitney Houston right 693 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 2: before the end. 694 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's one of the things that Vince Staples 695 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 3: points to is he says that ray J in fact 696 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 3: the person that found her. 697 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 5: That that's that that's. 698 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 3: How iconic he sort of is in culture. And I 699 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 3: would argue, and I'd be curious to hear your thoughts 700 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 3: on this, I would argue both good and bad ways. 701 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 2: Like I know, I don't think re J is morality. 702 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 2: I think he's just reg Jae. 703 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 3: He is the ultimate balance in morality almost if I 704 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 3: can borrow from a white film, I think ray J 705 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 3: might be our Forest Gump. 706 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 9: Oh. 707 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 2: Right, He's just been there for all of it, right, good, 708 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 2: bad or sad, you know what I mean? Fuck like 709 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: he cause like that's we're talking about some pretty pretty 710 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: major events in black history that he's been personally witnessed to. Right, 711 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's amazing. Yeah. 712 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: It also got me thinking because this article comes out 713 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, right, this sort of like the level 714 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 3: of influence he kicks in. But you think about the 715 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: eight years of influence that he he's had since then, 716 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 3: and it does feel like you're you're almost missing major 717 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 3: sort of like important. 718 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 5: Moments in the ray j A journey. 719 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 3: Right like up to twenty fifteen, he is a more 720 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 3: laughable figure, which is what made Vince sound so crazy 721 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 3: when he was pointing to ray J. But now it's 722 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 3: like it's hard not to see the impact, you know 723 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 3: what I mean. Yeah, he's fucking everywhere. 724 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: I mean, yo, Raycon sells water filters. 725 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: Ifuck, We're going to have a water scarcity moment sooner 726 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: than later, and. 727 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 3: I and somebody's gonna Raycon incorporated. Somebody's gonna have to 728 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: turn to ray J. 729 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. As far as conspiracy theories that we've had on 730 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: this podcast, I don't think there's one that I believed 731 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: more unequivocally. Yeah, than it's just like you can't deny 732 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: the man's impact. Yeah, Like what I wonder is do 733 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: you think that he is do you think that he 734 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: is conscious of it or do you think he's just 735 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 2: living his life? And that's how it plays like. I 736 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 2: don't feel like he wakes up in the morning looking 737 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: to influence culture. 738 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 3: I think people like this are maybe too psychotic to 739 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 3: actually be able to think that way. 740 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 2: Do you think he's psychotic though, I. 741 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 3: Think he's truly Like it's like he's moving a queen 742 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 3: around the board, but it's one move at a time. 743 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 3: Like I don't think he thinks past the movie. 744 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, he just her presence. 745 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: To circle back to that Michael Jordan clip, they were 746 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: talking about why Michael Jordan was good, and it was 747 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: because he was present in every moment, and Ray J's 748 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 1: just present. He's not thinking, even though he did write 749 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: the song one Wish. But yeah, he's president, you know. 750 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 3: But I think every letter in that song surprised him. 751 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 3: I think he's like, ah, I didn't even know I 752 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 3: was there. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see what you got 753 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 3: of God. 754 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: He's just letting him speak through him. Yeah, right, right, 755 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: He's a vessel. 756 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: I do like that. 757 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 3: J is ultra instinct, you know what I mean. He 758 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 3: is Goku's yes, final form as far. 759 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 2: As we know. Yeah, yeah, I like that unto. 760 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no brick wall that could possibly meet him, 761 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he's not even it 762 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 3: can't happen. 763 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 2: Here's the question I have for the both of you. 764 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 2: Where does this go because he obviously hasn't peaked. 765 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 3: Oh you think you think we're not done seeing the 766 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 3: best of what ray J could do. 767 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: He's like forty years old. That's that's That's like a 768 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 2: lot of people ask when they get in the game 769 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 2: as far as influential. Yeah, like he did all this 770 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: without the benefit of age behind him to make him 771 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: more respectable. You know what I'm saying, Like a lot 772 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 2: of ray J's moves we were looking at as moves 773 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 2: of a twenty five year old man, a twenty four 774 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 2: year old man, he's on moasho when he's sixteen seventeen. 775 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 2: You know, with the respect of age behind him, I 776 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 2: think that this could go anywhere. 777 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,439 Speaker 3: Do you at all fear though, that with age behind him, 778 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 3: some of these antics will become less endearing. Do you 779 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 3: think that that's there's any threat of him stopping being 780 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 3: the adorable ray J that we all love and suddenly 781 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 3: ben just a big old fat dude that we're all like, hey, bro, 782 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,720 Speaker 3: you got a chill out and call your family. 783 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 2: No, because the endearing thing is a personality trait, you 784 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Even when he was greasy on 785 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 2: you know, what was the show? 786 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 3: What was the show called for the love of Rage. 787 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 2: Ray J, he'd be greasy on there, but you still 788 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 2: liked him because you know what I mean, He'll never not. 789 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: He knew, he knew how to get ratings. I got 790 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: a question. You said, he's forty one years old, right, Yeah, 791 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: something like that, entering in his second half of his life. 792 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: You know the second chapter, How old was Kobe Bryant 793 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: when he died? 794 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 2: Come on, all right, bro, come on, come on. 795 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 6: It gets dark killed every turn, bro. 796 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: So it's just all. 797 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 2: Town for a little bit and low. But we didn't 798 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 2: mean to be nobody. 799 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: I think I think ray J goes goes along because 800 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: I think Zeus is just this is this is like 801 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: a beta test for him, and I think he goes 802 00:44:54,600 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: ahead and completes Bill Cosby's mission of buying NBC if 803 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: not in BC or be et because a lot of 804 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: people are trying right now. But I think ray J 805 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: is the one who gets the right people together, the 806 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: right chess pieces, and then they just make a quick, 807 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: swift chess move by bet and he's a part of that. 808 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 2: You know. 809 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is that is that they were 810 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 3: just who was it? The Weather Channel? Nigga and Byron 811 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 3: A Byron Allen, we're just about to team up and 812 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 3: buy the e T. And you know that the reason 813 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 3: that they got turned down whatever it is, was not 814 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 3: because they didn't have the bread. So this isn't a 815 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 3: money issue. This is a character issue for whoever bt 816 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 3: IS is owned by. And I bet they'll see something 817 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 3: in ray j that they could not see in UH 818 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,479 Speaker 3: comics Unleashed Stone. 819 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,479 Speaker 1: Byron doesn't have the sauce like he don't go looking 820 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: for discuss sting black television. He's like, Bro, I got 821 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: the program, I have the formula, I do this. 822 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 6: He buys bt IS. 823 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,479 Speaker 2: Byron Allen was going to try to bring the news back. 824 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 1: You no, don't nobody want to watch black news. 825 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: Bro Spier Smiley, where is he? 826 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 3: And he's like, no, you ain't got what we're looking for, man, 827 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 3: We're looking for a motherfucker like poison. 828 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: And he buys it from Viacom and then he just 829 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: shifts the culture one more time on a on a 830 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: large scale. And I think that will be we move 831 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: within the next five to ten years. 832 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 3: Damn, that's like that, that's crazy. If raj On it 833 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise. 834 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,919 Speaker 1: Me, man, that no that's that's a very possible move. 835 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 3: And I'll say this, I think if ray J owns BT, 836 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 3: I think niggas will stop making fun of it the 837 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 3: same way they do. 838 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I I like BAT programming. 839 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 10: Though, do you you didn't watch all those Mani movies 840 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 10: they did the new edition and. 841 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 3: When he no, no, no, you don't get to do that. 842 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 3: You're talking about BT from like ten years ago. I'm 843 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 3: asking you said you like b ET programming as if 844 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 3: you are currently caught up on BT program. 845 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 2: What do they go now? They got missed? Pat hold on, 846 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 2: I'm pulling it up. I got I got it. I did. 847 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 2: Let it laps on my ship though. 848 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to I'm trying to understand what 849 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 3: you are currently watching. 850 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 6: On b kJ Smith's show, whatever her name. 851 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,919 Speaker 2: You know what. You're right, You're right. I don't like it. Yeah, 852 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't think you like talking about it. I'm talking 853 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 2: about a few years ago. I'm not watching Average Love. 854 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,399 Speaker 3: Or bringing back Comice Berry has like four shows they 855 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 3: are bringing back review idea here are they? 856 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 2: They've been saying that, though I feel like that that's true. 857 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 3: I also know some people who taped for whatever was 858 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 3: supposed to be a new Comic View, and then they 859 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 3: never didn't be. 860 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: It was that the Kevin Hart one, Kevin Hart, Mike Epps. 861 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh maybe Yeah, so Kevin Hart's I think e p 862 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: and it. Mike Epps is running the host spot. 863 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh he's gonna host. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's 864 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 2: actually good. That's better for him than then. 865 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 6: So they settled their beef. Yeah right, I forgot that. 866 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 5: Kevin Hard and Mike EPs. 867 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 3: I bet ray j. 868 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 2: Call. He's the only one who could do it. 869 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 3: He like, Yo, Ken, Let's get Mike on the phone 870 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,399 Speaker 3: and right. 871 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 6: Now for the people, let's bring back Tomicview. 872 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 3: My dad the other day, my dad is on TikTok 873 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 3: and and I guess his algorithm is now feeding him 874 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 3: a fun ton of comedians. And he called me. 875 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 2: It was like, have you heard of Gary Owen? He's 876 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 2: like it's not good. 877 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, amen, I don't know how to 878 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 3: tell you this, but you might got the worst. And 879 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 3: I hate that you listen to them so often. If 880 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 3: if that, if those two things are the crossover them, 881 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 3: then we might be the fucking worst. 882 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 2: I love you that of all, I love the all 883 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 2: of all. The ship he saw Gary Owans was one 884 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 2: where he's. 885 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 5: Like, let me. 886 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 2: Get my son on the horn. I gotta see I gotta. 887 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 6: See the reason. 888 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 3: Brother, have you have you at least met the man 889 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 3: because he's slow fun oh dz. He didn't do all that. 890 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 2: But he did. 891 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 1: He was like Gary, he thought of you, when he 892 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,439 Speaker 1: thought of when he saw Garry. 893 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 6: Let me give myself, let me let me tell him 894 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 6: I love him. 895 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 2: He's funny. 896 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 3: Gary Owen's funny. 897 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 2: To be fair, I don't know any Gary Owen's bits, 898 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 2: so I don't know if he is bad. 899 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say during that comic view early day. 900 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,720 Speaker 2: Comic view ship. I loved Gary Owen. 901 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 5: I fucking I thought he was really fun. 902 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think he might be good. 903 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: It's hard to unlearn certain things when you got to 904 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: unlearn like he's not he's not good, and you're like, 905 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: you have to process that. It's tough sometimes. 906 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 10: M H. 907 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's people that will always hold 908 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 2: that spot in your heart. It doesn't matter. 909 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 6: Who's that for y'all. 910 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 3: I don't think I ever need to see Bruce Bruce again. 911 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 2: Don't do that, do you know what I mean? 912 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 3: It's not Bruce Bruce. It's he was very fucking good. 913 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 3: He was one of the best. But I think if 914 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 3: I saw it now, I'm so far into the the 915 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,839 Speaker 3: magic trick that I'd be like, well, this isn't even 916 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 3: that good of the magic trick. 917 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what the magic trick is. 918 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 2: You can't tell me. Flex is not hilarious? 919 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 6: Flex are now, Alexander? 920 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, now. 921 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 6: I don't know flex Arnell. 922 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 2: Who the fucking flex are now? Now? Man? 923 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 5: He was killing. 924 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,240 Speaker 8: You think that we were talking about a man named 925 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,399 Speaker 8: flexar now because I enjoyed. 926 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 2: You, we wouldn't not, all right, It is a flex actually, 927 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 2: if I if I think about it, if I think 928 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 2: about it in a way, flex is like my Will Smith. 929 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 2: He was in that lane I thought Flex was. I 930 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 2: thought he was so oh cool. I thought he was 931 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 2: the coolest guy flex yeah, before and after Homeboys and 932 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:07,720 Speaker 2: out of Space. 933 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, now I felt that even even what was it 934 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 3: one on one? 935 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's where I got it flat at the 936 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 2: weather Man. 937 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:15,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. 938 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a self awareness inside of his cool. 939 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 3: So he was down to take the l but he 940 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 3: wasn't really taking l's. 941 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 2: He had it, yeah, man, and he had that deaf January. 942 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 2: He's wearing the yellow mm hmmm mm hmmm, hm. You 943 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 2: know what I'm talking out, Yeah, man, flex Flex is 944 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 2: my Will Smith. That's good to know. I'm glad I 945 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 2: didn't know. 946 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,720 Speaker 6: We have mother Will Smith that we could put in play. 947 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 3: Now now I don't have to bring this up in therapy. 948 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 3: I think I I think I worked this one out. 949 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 3: I can check this off the list. 950 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, finally we'll go back to talk. 951 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 6: Let's untackt this well. 952 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 3: I think we should land this plane because it seems 953 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 3: as if we are are all in agreement that ray 954 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 3: Ja is in fact the cultural icon that he's been 955 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 3: suggested to be. I think the best way to land 956 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 3: this plane is to really just do a total recap 957 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 3: of all of that, all that he's done to help 958 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 3: sort of solidify it for our listeners. So obviously, and please, 959 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 3: I don't want to do this alone, So y'all jump in. 960 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 3: He he fucking let's begin right from the beginning of 961 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 3: his career. He starts off as a child star. Yeah, 962 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, he is already acting on a SIDMD 963 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 3: show even before Brandy is. 964 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 2: In fact, oh he was on something before Moesha. 965 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 3: I think Brandy is the famous singer. But before Moesha 966 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 3: the show exists, he is on the Simbad Show. 967 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't even know that, okay, so yeah, he 968 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 2: start him early, start him early, so there and then 969 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 2: that moves to Moesha. Right, arguably the most memorable character 970 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 2: in Moesha whoa. I'd say Dorian Wright was the most dad. 971 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 3: Dorian was his name. 972 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,840 Speaker 2: It was the most right, like if you go, it 973 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 2: was like him and Cam are the only ones that 974 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 2: because she had him. 975 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 3: But I was man dell man myself. But yeah, all right, man, yeah, 976 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 3: I was like that. I don't get why people be 977 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 3: calling her every they wrong. 978 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 2: I felt that way about the police officer on the wings. 979 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 2: But anyways, same, yeah, yeah, I think we're talking about it. Yeah, 980 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 2: a lot to impact a lot, all right. So yeah. 981 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 2: So then but then he comes out is that it 982 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 2: was music his. 983 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 3: Next big thing, I think so so so as history 984 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 3: would tell it, Brandy is sort of like peaking in 985 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 3: her success, and then ray J decides he's gonna come 986 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,399 Speaker 3: take over music with those. I think his first hit 987 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 3: was like a top twenty five or something. Sexy can 988 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 3: I I don't think it was sexy can. I was 989 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,319 Speaker 3: something Before that, it's like, let's get it, get it 990 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 3: done or finished fast. I don't know what the fuck 991 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 3: it's called. Let me come inside of you and you'll 992 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 3: come to I'm trying to bust one in your bitch. 993 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 3: What you trying to do some. 994 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 2: Some some raje a ass lyric. 995 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:23,359 Speaker 3: You know, I got a mouth, let me put it 996 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 3: on you, which I love, all right, but yeah, So 997 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 3: he then shifts into music, and then I think that's 998 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 3: where I would argue his uh he sort of finds 999 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 3: his sexual enrichment. That's when he becomes sort of like 1000 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 3: this powerhouse of sexual sexuality and he fucks everybody. He 1001 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 3: dates to literally everyone. He was Nick Cannon before Nick Cannon, 1002 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 3: uh started having kids, you know what I mean? 1003 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 2: And he'll probably mean Nick Cannon after Nick Cannon. 1004 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 5: Yeah that's fair. 1005 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,359 Speaker 3: Nick Cannon gonna die. 1006 00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:01,319 Speaker 6: So whatever had a couple of years left of Nick. 1007 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 3: There's nothing else under that turbine. Baby. 1008 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,759 Speaker 2: So then from the second round of music, then he 1009 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 2: goes then he goes to the porno. 1010 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:14,720 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah. 1011 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 3: That then he releases the Kraken of arguably one of 1012 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 3: the most boring porno tapes of all time. Not a 1013 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 3: great at not a great watch and that becomes her fame, 1014 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 3: that becomes the King Kardashian rising fame, and subsequently ray 1015 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 3: J star also rises because of the constant reminder that 1016 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 3: he quote unquote hit it. 1017 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,880 Speaker 6: For relationship and then starts off reality and then he 1018 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 6: goes into it. 1019 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he begins his own reality media empire, 1020 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,399 Speaker 2: that's right, which is huge. 1021 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 3: And and frankly transforms v H one because while Flavor 1022 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,960 Speaker 3: of Love is the first re quote unquote reality show 1023 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 3: of that kind, ray J then turns it into love 1024 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 3: and hip hop, which is the new transformation of VH one. 1025 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 3: Back when Flavor of Love was on, they were playing 1026 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 3: indie music and fucking that's where I learned who like 1027 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 3: who who fucking Adele was was watching VH one back 1028 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 3: when she was playing acoustic guitars, is you know what 1029 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean? It was a different wave. And then ray 1030 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 3: J showed up and they were like, I think we 1031 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,480 Speaker 3: worked for niggas. 1032 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, and they have been in service to us 1033 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 2: ever since, which. 1034 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because even if you watch like the great 1035 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: like a like a Patresia or Billboard bir they were. 1036 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: They were on VH one a lot, and I think 1037 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: that opened up the Lane for like just authentic people 1038 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: on television. 1039 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 1040 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1041 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 3: They were like, we're showing real human beings in this 1042 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 3: post ray j world. 1043 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 2: We're showing the dark underside of what a human can be. 1044 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 3: Okay, So then then the reality television and then he uh, 1045 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 3: he threatens to have fabulous fucked. He gets in a 1046 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 3: number of beefs, all of which seemed to have no 1047 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 3: effect on his life. He begins owning everything. He starts 1048 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 3: to every company that you thought was a joke Ray 1049 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 3: j Bys and somehow it's no longer a joke, and 1050 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 3: then what then then what does it become? 1051 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,440 Speaker 2: Uh? Post that, I feel like it's just been him 1052 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 2: moving in like side, you know, like the Trump film. Yeah, 1053 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,240 Speaker 2: I feel like he's kind of been not as front, 1054 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 2: making deals under the table, That's what I think. 1055 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 3: But even recently when because it did come out that 1056 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 3: where Kim accused him, if I'm remembering correctly, accused him 1057 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 3: of having like manipulated the tapes all these years that 1058 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 3: he was like, oh, that's what it was. Kanye gives 1059 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 3: Kim back the tapes that he supposedly had bought the 1060 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 3: secret tapes from ray j A or worked out whatever, 1061 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 3: and then Ray J made not only made public that 1062 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 3: that was a lie, that he was not in possession 1063 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,720 Speaker 3: of the tapes, had receipts for this ship, and also 1064 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 3: then proved that the mom was the originating source for 1065 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 3: the sex tape in the beginning. 1066 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, flat au. 1067 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 3: He really like proved what we've been speculating for over 1068 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 3: a generation now that Chris Jenner is in fact like 1069 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 3: the devil, and then went about his fucking day putting 1070 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 3: his hat in weird positions during during tapings. Slightly, it 1071 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 3: didn't even He took down the devil and it didn't 1072 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 3: even affect his day. 1073 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 2: Here's what I'm saying. You gotta be a gotta be 1074 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 2: an angel to take out a devil. 1075 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a true glitch in the matrix, and he 1076 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 1: is the one. 1077 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 6: He's the one. 1078 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 3: Well, can I get an a man? 1079 00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 6: Amen? 1080 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: This is just the beginning, guys, just the beginning. This 1081 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,960 Speaker 1: is just it's going it's going away chapter. This is 1082 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: this is where we Yeah, it's going away. 1083 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 3: And if he starts to do more iconic shiit Keiths, 1084 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 3: We'll bring you back. This will be uh like a 1085 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 3: little journey. Yeah, it was like if you know Keith 1086 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,120 Speaker 3: Johnson back you know we're doing a rage J episode. 1087 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's our weekend up to. 1088 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 3: You're you're the Andy Rooney for whatever this show is. 1089 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 6: Right again, I'm excited for any ray J moves in 1090 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 6: the future. 1091 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 3: Keith, could you tell the people where they can find 1092 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,040 Speaker 3: you and what cool shit you have going. 1093 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: On at Keith Johnson h Q on all social media platforms. 1094 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 6: The cool shit I'm doing right now. 1095 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,760 Speaker 1: I got Culture Court Comedy in LA which is like 1096 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: a comedy styled court room where we bring on comedians 1097 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 1: and they do cases and we decide culture. And then 1098 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 1: on the East Coast, me and Sam Jay have a 1099 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: show called on Site, which is a late night therapy show, 1100 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 1: and we just had our last one for the New 1101 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 1: York Comedy Festival, so we're gonna be running it back 1102 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,280 Speaker 1: sooner than later. 1103 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,840 Speaker 6: So check them things out. 1104 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, follow Keith, go see the shows. 1105 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 5: Bory what you got? 1106 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 4: Uh? 1107 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Cool guy joke? Saty seven on Instagram. Oh, Strike's over, 1108 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm not to be on Exploding Kittens on Netflix. Hey, yeah, 1109 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,600 Speaker 2: you can watch that. We can talk about we can 1110 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 2: get right Yeah, okay, yeah, So that's coming out I 1111 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 2: think at the end of the month and then yeah, 1112 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 2: just go on Instagram for dates and stuff like that. 1113 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm not touring that much to the top of the year. 1114 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 2: I'm having a fire sale next week for all the 1115 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 2: merch I didn't sell on tour, so I'll put that 1116 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 2: info up on Instagram. But go to bring David to 1117 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 2: play dot com. And if you wanted to get a 1118 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,960 Speaker 2: T shirt or a hat with a beach, or a 1119 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 2: poster or a meal kit that I hit designed for 1120 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 2: some reason. 1121 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,919 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, go buy up what's left of David's merch 1122 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 3: for some reason, he marked it up. 1123 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 2: It's actually gonna be now. 1124 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 6: Prices. 1125 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 2: I think you don't know how sales work. I got 1126 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 2: I got. 1127 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Uh And as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman. 1128 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 3: I think this will come out too late for me 1129 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 3: to be pubbing any like big shows that I'm coming up. 1130 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,360 Speaker 3: But go watch The Other Black. 1131 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,680 Speaker 2: Girl on on Hulu. 1132 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 3: That was something that I did that came out in 1133 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 3: the middle of our financial pandemic and and I think 1134 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 3: it's cool and I'm proud to have been a part 1135 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 3: of it. So go watch that on Hulu. So you 1136 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,200 Speaker 3: want to talk about interesting beanie placement, come on dog. 1137 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 6: They go back to Ray J. 1138 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,560 Speaker 2: I will say. The director kept being like, can you 1139 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,920 Speaker 2: be more Raje? 1140 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,400 Speaker 3: But no, I'm gonna watch that. And as always, if 1141 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,240 Speaker 3: you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracies, 1142 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 3: if you want to explain to us why in fact 1143 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 3: ray J is not the savior that we've been looking 1144 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 3: for and there's someone else out there that we need 1145 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,800 Speaker 3: to be looking out on, send it all to my 1146 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 3: mama pod at gmail dot com, follow us, subscribe, do 1147 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 3: whatever bullshit you gotta do, YouTube, Spotify, We got a 1148 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,440 Speaker 3: social media My mama told me Pod, we want to 1149 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 3: hear from you, and we were thirsty for you to 1150 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 3: follow us, so so do it all. And that's the 1151 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:38,720 Speaker 3: whole thing. 1152 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 2: By bitch, Would you say that you're racist? 1153 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 6: Not at all. 1154 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 2: No, Look I'm a dog. He's as black as can be. 1155 01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 4: And a quality racist. 1156 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,200 Speaker 6: The osto player ows and money for. 1157 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 4: She defended turkey stuffering. I can't help me about