WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show 3-1-24

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<v Speaker 1>Well and welcome to another episode of the Mark Mass Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're always talking about the decentralized revolution. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the way the world changes as we look at through

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<v Speaker 1>the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's always technology that changes the world. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that technology is bitcoin that's changing the world as we

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<v Speaker 1>know it. You know, I like to bring to you

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<v Speaker 1>some education, some breaking news, but also some interesting guests.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to listen to me all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I have today. I am sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>with Nico. He's the host of Simply Bitcoin. He thinks

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a good content creator. I love his content, super creative,

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<v Speaker 1>super insightful, and you know, it's just different. And so anyway, Nico,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for joining me and coming back to the channel again.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for the Mark always an honor.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I love talking to different people. I

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<v Speaker 1>love different insights. You know, it's crazy so many people

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<v Speaker 1>suffer from like a confirmation bias where they just want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what they think. But I like different perspectives.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're younger, and you know you came from Argentina,

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<v Speaker 1>was it Argentina?

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<v Speaker 2>My aparents are originally from Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuela, Venezuela. Sorry, yeah, and but I mean it just

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<v Speaker 1>gives you having parents like that, it gives you a

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<v Speaker 1>different upbringing and a different viewpoint. So I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love what you're doing. I want to just

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<v Speaker 1>jump right into it. You know. I saw you posting

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter today about the EU Central Bank and what

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<v Speaker 1>they had to say about bitcoin, which is pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They said it's it's a failure. They said bitcoin is

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<v Speaker 1>a failure. Did you see that? I did?

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<v Speaker 2>I did you know? I coined this term a couple

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<v Speaker 2>months ago. I started seeing a pattern, and essentially it's

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<v Speaker 2>the iron law of central banker politician projection. They project

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<v Speaker 2>onto us what it is they are guilty of themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>If you take a look at the report, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they they they said that the you know, the emperors losing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the emperor has no clothes, they said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they use the word evil even and then if you

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<v Speaker 2>take a look at the references that they used, they

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<v Speaker 2>used a ten year old paper as one of the references, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So what that tells me is that they're desperate, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to do, and they're used to operating

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<v Speaker 2>in environment. We just recently had this conversation mark where

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<v Speaker 2>they had a total monopoly on the information flows and

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<v Speaker 2>now on Twitter, anybody can just reply to them, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're on equal footing. And they got they

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<v Speaker 2>got community noted, and the community note was brutal. They

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<v Speaker 2>got ratioed. I don't know who thought that was a

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<v Speaker 2>good idea, but that tells me we're winning. That tells

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<v Speaker 2>me we're over the target, and that tells me they're scared.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little bit of a sidetrack note, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>so important. Back to Yeah, we did have this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday on your show and sort of how technology has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten ahead of the government. But really I noticed it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're both on YouTube. I noticed it. At

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<v Speaker 1>the last presidential election, they took away the down the

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<v Speaker 1>down thumb off of YouTube and that was because Biden's

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<v Speaker 1>videos were getting so many any doubt, like like one

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<v Speaker 1>like in a million downs or something crazy like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they literally took it off. And so to the

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<v Speaker 1>point that you just made like for the ability for

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<v Speaker 1>now the public to weigh in on these things, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's pretty insane, and I think it's pretty apparent

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<v Speaker 1>back to follow our conversation yesterday, like they can't have this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they can't allow that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they can't. And just to go back to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the point that you made about Biden the last election.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, supposedly this was the most popular elected you know,

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<v Speaker 2>person that was ever elected, and how could it be that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, his like dislike ratio was the way it

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<v Speaker 2>was right that it doesn't fit the narrative, It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite fit what it is that they're trying to tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>And a couple of years ago, maybe it was like

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<v Speaker 2>about a year ago or so, they tried to release

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<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote Ministry of Truth here in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>out of all places, completely against the First Amendment. So

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of goes into you know what we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about yesterday, the theory of the sovereign individual, about

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<v Speaker 2>how information technologies was going to disintermediate information, democratize content creation,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's creating this absolute nightmare for governments.

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<v Speaker 2>They just don't know what to do. And not only

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<v Speaker 2>the cognitive dissonance, but also like this short circuit because

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<v Speaker 2>you see their totalitarian impulses trying to get in there

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<v Speaker 2>and say, you know, we gotta get this taken down.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at the election, they got a president

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<v Speaker 2>taken off of Twitter, right, so you're seeing the old

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<v Speaker 2>system clash with the new system. But I think once

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<v Speaker 2>we get over this hill, I am extremely optimistic about

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<v Speaker 2>the future. It is gonna be a little bit bumpy

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<v Speaker 2>for sure in the next five ten years, but after

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<v Speaker 2>we get over that hill, I'm very optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>In this. They said that I didn't read the report.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had time to. Maybe you have, but it

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<v Speaker 1>says on their tweet that bitcoin has failed to become

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<v Speaker 1>a global decentralized digital currency, instead falling victim to fraud

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<v Speaker 1>and manipulation. So that's what they put in their in

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<v Speaker 1>their tweet. So if we break that down and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they gave more context inside, but has failed, okay failed

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<v Speaker 1>what to become a globally centralized digital currency? So one

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<v Speaker 1>money is an evolutionary process, so it takes time. So

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<v Speaker 1>we have a brand new as I tweeted out, a

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<v Speaker 1>new revolutionary technological invention, and it's failed. Like what definition

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<v Speaker 1>does that? So has it failed? I mean it is

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<v Speaker 1>being used. Is it a decentralized digital currency? It is?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there like a certain level, Like did they give

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of reference to how has it failed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they just make a claim, and that's the beauty

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<v Speaker 2>of the community, not the community. Note literally went line

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<v Speaker 2>by line with all their different claims. It went number one,

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<v Speaker 2>bitcoin is not preferable for criminals. Number two, Bitcoin is

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<v Speaker 2>an open monetary protocol, and the centralized store of value.

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<v Speaker 2>Number three, which answers your question, The Euro is losing

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<v Speaker 2>its purchasing power against bitcoin constantly, and if you actually

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<v Speaker 2>take a look at the data, if you take a

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<v Speaker 2>look at if you take a look at percentage terms,

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<v Speaker 2>the Euro has lost ninety two point seventy four percent

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<v Speaker 2>of its value against bitcoin for the last five years.

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<v Speaker 2>And it goes back to my original point of the

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<v Speaker 2>iron law of central banker and politician projection. They project

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<v Speaker 2>onto bitcoin what it is, they are guilty of themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The Euro is failing to bitcoin in real time. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have to ask yourself. It is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>coincidence that they came out with this with this report,

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<v Speaker 2>because today the ECB reported record losses for twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of a coincidence that that tweet comes

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<v Speaker 2>out about bitcoin and then this news comes out on

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<v Speaker 2>the same day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when you say it's failed,

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<v Speaker 1>the euro failing to the bitcoin, you're saying the purchasing

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<v Speaker 1>power of the currency has failed. And so at least

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<v Speaker 1>we have some sort of like a parameter to what

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<v Speaker 1>like failed means. I don't know what metric they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>like has it failed to be more widely used than

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<v Speaker 1>the Euro? But of course like regulations prevent that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I want to lead us into a conversation and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how I think you're going to be comfortable with.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Sailor would not be comfortable with the conversation. I

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<v Speaker 1>tweeted it out yesterday. I put a video clip of

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Sorkin talking about to fund strat saying that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin is only being used for illicit purposes and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>pirates use gold first, and then you know whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>I posted this, so I want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said that they're saying they're throwing shade fud

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<v Speaker 1>that bitcoin is only used for illicit purposes, illegal purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said it's not. And the fact checking is

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<v Speaker 1>that most of that's happening in dollars. The kind of

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<v Speaker 1>illicit transaction happening to bitcoin is like not even like

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<v Speaker 1>a drop in the bucket compared to what's being done

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<v Speaker 1>in dollars. So we have that, right, But let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive down into this conversation a little bit, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>you put on Twitter that anyone can create a bitcoin wallet,

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone can open a bank account?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, what is that? So? I mean like the And

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<v Speaker 2>there's another there's another tweet that I came out with

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<v Speaker 2>not too long long, too long ago, and it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of very similar, right, which is this idea that this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that that bitcoin doesn't judge based on where you

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<v Speaker 2>happen to be born in, right, and their system does right?

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<v Speaker 2>And another tweet that I came out with, which was

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<v Speaker 2>I sent a wire it's obvious that bitcoin wins. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the attacking vehicles that anti bitcoin politicians like

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Warren are using to attack something like bitcoin, is

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<v Speaker 2>this idea that bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait huh wait wait, I'm gonna stop you there because

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<v Speaker 1>I need a cliffhanger because you're listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Mass Show. I'm sitting down with Nico from Simply a

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin and we got to take a very quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to find out what this attack

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<v Speaker 1>vector is, that Elizabeth Warren is coming back with. Make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you stick around. We're gonna take a super quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to miss this rest of this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna lead Nico down into a path you don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear about talked about in bitcoin. We're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it here in a second. Don't go away, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. All right, welcome back. If you just

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<v Speaker 1>tune in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. Nico. Before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to say, what is Elizabeth Warren using

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<v Speaker 1>as her tool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, Elizabeth Warren, she used a Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 2>article that took advantage of the tragedy happening in Palestine

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<v Speaker 2>and Israel, and it made the claim that that bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>was being used for illsted finance, it was being used

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<v Speaker 2>for terrorist financing. It came out after the fact, about

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<v Speaker 2>a week or two later, that that article completely misrepresented

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<v Speaker 2>the data. But that didn't stop the finsend to introduce

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<v Speaker 2>a very very hostile type of regulation that would essentially

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<v Speaker 2>make it so that any type of lightning network transaction,

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<v Speaker 2>any type of address reused, would have to be, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have to be surveiled, it would have to be

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<v Speaker 2>reported to the US government, not to mention, she got

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<v Speaker 2>four additional Senators that signed up to a bill that

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<v Speaker 2>would essentially not my words, this is Pierre Rishard's words,

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<v Speaker 2>that would essentially kill bitcoin mining in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we have twenty percent of the US Senate

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans and Democrats. She's got two Republicans to sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for this bill that would essentially kill bitcoin mining in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. It would kill bitcoin self custody in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>So the point that I'm trying to make is that

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking advantage of TRACK, they're misrepresenting the data in

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<v Speaker 2>in order to achieve a certain political goal in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, which is to outlaw self custody altogether and

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<v Speaker 2>also go after bitcoin minors. Right, They've been solely focused

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<v Speaker 2>on doing that the last six months. I've been covering

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<v Speaker 2>it almost every other day, And you know, it blows

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<v Speaker 2>my mind to what length these people will go to

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<v Speaker 2>in order to stop use from using a money that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't steal from you, which is absolutely absurd. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's exposing them for who they are, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how does it hurt anybody for me, as an American citizen,

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<v Speaker 2>as a first generation American, to hold to memorize twelve words,

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<v Speaker 2>write down twelve words, to use the money that is

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<v Speaker 2>outside the grasp of the hands of government. How does

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<v Speaker 2>that hurt anybody? Right? So, I think they're desperate. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're scared. I think they see the writing on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall that bitcoin is help.

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<v Speaker 1>How it hurts people. How it hurts people is that

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could give money to a t terrorists.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could be funding terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what they say. But if you actually took it,

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<v Speaker 2>if you actually took take a look at the data

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<v Speaker 2>and what that was posted by Senator Cynthia Lumus, the

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<v Speaker 2>Bitcoin senator coming out of Wyoming, ninety nine point three

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<v Speaker 2>percent of illicit finance is actually done using the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>financial system, and Representative Tom Emmer actually interviewed or had

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<v Speaker 2>the head of FINSEND testify in congressional testimony that actually

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists prefer using the traditional financial system versus bitcoin. But

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't stop Elizabeth Warren to try to use her

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<v Speaker 2>media allies in order to achieve a certain political end goal,

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<v Speaker 2>which again, just like the central Bank, just like the

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<v Speaker 2>European Central Bank tweet. It tells me that we're over

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<v Speaker 2>the target and that we're winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There was a report that came out, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know two years ago called the Finns and Files, and

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<v Speaker 1>it basically exposed all this I think two trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>that were used for illicit transactions knowingly knowingly, So in

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<v Speaker 1>these fence and files, it exposed all these banks HSBC,

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<v Speaker 1>like International Banks, big banks, JP Morgan and showed how

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<v Speaker 1>they were literally like laundering money for drug cartels and

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<v Speaker 1>like they did all this and then they pay small

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<v Speaker 1>fines that are small percentages of the total amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>that they made. So it's like a slap on the wrist.

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<v Speaker 1>And and these globally regulated licensed facilities from the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Reserve of the Central Banks were knowingly allowing this to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like with bitcoin, at least there's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's anonymous and if people use it, they use it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't control what they use it for, whereas here

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<v Speaker 1>these banks were actively facilitating it, which is a big difference.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you think about that in those terms, Niko,

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<v Speaker 1>like you talk about per tom Emmer saying whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>was ninety eight percent or being used dollars in a

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<v Speaker 1>controlled and permission system, right, I mean, so it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a magnitude of orders and worse in my opinion. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point that I want to get to that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to I want to talk about for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>is bitcoin really for criminals? And that's why I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a conversation here talked about and I

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<v Speaker 1>know Michael said I would never want to talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, is it money for criminals? But like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is a criminal?

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<v Speaker 2>It it?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the key piece. What what is a criminal?

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<v Speaker 2>Bitcoin is the money of enemies?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Bitcoin is the money of enemies. We have to be

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<v Speaker 2>okay with anybody using it. I find it very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to be lectured by government bureaucrats that are sending billions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars to fund a foreign war, of which that

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<v Speaker 2>money is not accounted for. There was a report that

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<v Speaker 2>came out of the Pentagon that they had a it

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<v Speaker 2>was like it was like a five hundred billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>accounting error. And then at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're expecting us to report any transaction over six hundred dollars, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's rules for thee.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Pentagon lost. The Pentagon lost the day before

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven. The day before Donald Remsfeld, who ran

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon at the time, went on National TV and

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<v Speaker 1>said they lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Two Trillionah, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>The day before the towers got hit. And then like

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago they reported they lost another two trillion.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's yeah, we sent a hundred billion into

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine with no accounting, which we now we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of those weapons have ended up in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican cartels and things like that. But yet, yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, they want to audit our six hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's rules for thee and not for me. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>as simple as that. And I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something something like bitcoin comes along and it's a clear

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<v Speaker 2>and present danger for them for the racket that has

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<v Speaker 2>been happening, and I think that they're going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to use everything in anything to try to stop this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>try to stop the adoption of bitcoin. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be successful. I think the incentives are

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<v Speaker 2>too great and it's going to be a very very

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<v Speaker 2>uphill battle, especially as more time goes by and more

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<v Speaker 2>and more people adopt this technology with the black rock

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<v Speaker 2>etf being rolled out. I mean, I saw it the

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<v Speaker 2>other day. You had the anchor of squawk Box, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can't I forget his last name, Joe Scarborough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's his name, but essentially he was killing

0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Gary Gensler on air, Like Gary Gensler was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tell him, like, you know, this bitcoin thing, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the real deal, you know, you gotta be careful, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, what are you talking about? You know, like

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<v Speaker 2>people are adopting this because people don't believe in the

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<v Speaker 2>Central Bank. And Gary Gensler had no response to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know how, I know he could be potentially

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<v Speaker 2>compromised because this is someone who taught classes at Harvard

0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.080
<v Speaker 2>or Stanford, I forget what the institution was, like MIT

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<v Speaker 2>about bitcoins, so I know he knows, but obviously he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to protect his job, you know. So anyways, all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I went I went back and I went back and

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<v Speaker 1>watched on YouTube. You can watch just search Gary gins

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<v Speaker 1>or MIT on YouTube. You can watch his presentations and

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<v Speaker 1>he breaks it all down bitcoins specific perfectly, Like I mean,

0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a bitcointer, right, Like he breaks down the distributed ledger,

0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.639
<v Speaker 1>he breaks down the the you know, the way to

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<v Speaker 1>toast you solved the problem. He talks about the need

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<v Speaker 1>because of what central bankers are doing. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>breaks the whole thing down, so like it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a blatant lie. I was gonna try to grab the

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<v Speaker 1>video and edit it up and post it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get around to it. But I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>blatant lie because to your point, he knows better and

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, yeah, Joe on squawk Box, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>been nailing in so sort of back to this criminal element,

0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.240
<v Speaker 1>he says, But look, you can't blame the tool, right,

0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So like bad guys whatever you want to call him, terrorists,

0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:50.479
<v Speaker 1>They drive cars, they go on social media, they eat food,

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<v Speaker 1>they drink water, Like we can't just ban everything that

0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.560
<v Speaker 1>they do, right, Like well if we if we ban water,

0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.800
<v Speaker 1>they they'll die because they can't drink water. Right. It's

0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like it's a it's a little bit broad. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to come back and dig into this a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more. But I gotta take a very quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Maas Show send down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin, running

0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.920
<v Speaker 1>through what is going on in the bitcoin role. We're

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<v Speaker 1>back with more in a minute. Don't go away, all right,

0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:15.919
<v Speaker 1>welcome back. If you're just tuning in you're listening to

0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the Mark Mass Show and send down with Nico from

0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.879
<v Speaker 1>Simply Bitcoin and Nico. I want to get back to

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<v Speaker 1>the question though. So the question I asked in light

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<v Speaker 1>of this Elizabeth Warren and all this information, is what

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<v Speaker 1>is even a criminal? And so I'm gonna lay this

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<v Speaker 1>out a little bit, right, So you mentioned earlier we

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<v Speaker 1>started with one of your tweets that that anyone can

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<v Speaker 1>create a bitcoin wallet, not everyone can open a bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just start with that. So we know there's

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<v Speaker 1>approximately a billion and a half or so adults in

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the world that can't open a bank account because they

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.240
<v Speaker 1>don't have permission. So if they did, that would be illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be a criminal. Yeah, right, So what's a criminal?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if we keep going and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>I want to pull this. There's this quote I want

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<v Speaker 1>to pull out, and it's under communist Russia, under the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of in the forties and fifties, sort of at

0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the height of the Goulag and all of that under

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<v Speaker 1>the height of the Stalin era, we'll call it that Bria,

0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.640
<v Speaker 1>which is one of Stalin's like main lieutenants. He had

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a quote that's been used a lot, and it said

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Bria targeted the man first, then proceeded to find or

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.639
<v Speaker 1>fabricate a crime. Bria's modus operande was to presume the

0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.239
<v Speaker 1>man guilty and fill in the blanks later. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard that, show me the man, I'll show you

0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the crime, right And so when you think about this,

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:37.640
<v Speaker 1>show me the man, I'll show you the crime, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like what's happened to Donald Trump. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>they were just hey, he did this thing, and no

0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:44.919
<v Speaker 1>one's above a wall that's prosecuted for him. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting prosecuted on from fifty different directions, I mean,

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like pretty obviously at this point. But let's just

0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about this for a second. And actually, I love

0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.119
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite authors, F. A. Hyek. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>The Road to Serve Them, which everyone should read if

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you haven't read it, and I believe it's chapter six.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about the law and the law should be

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:09.280
<v Speaker 1>written down concrete and it should be simple enough that

0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone can understand it, and it should be fixed so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can plan my life based on those set

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 1>of rules, and you could plan your life sort of

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>like if we play basketball. The rules of basketball are fixed,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to approach the game different than Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>James would, right, and so the law should be like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me break this down. So I have seen

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<v Speaker 1>reports in the past and it shows like the amount

0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of laws that have grown over time. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>went to go to try to find this information for

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<v Speaker 1>this show, and you can't find it. It's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I saw there's been thirty thousand statutes. So in law,

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>we have laws, we have regulations, we have rules, we

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.639
<v Speaker 1>have statutes, ordinances. All of these are basically laws, thirty

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand statutes and so no matter what, you're breaking the law,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you know it. And I asked chat GPT how

0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.080
<v Speaker 1>many laws, statutes, and regulations are in the United States today.

0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Chat GBT said that to quantify that is impossible. It said,

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 1>there's different levels of government law statute, regulations, their federal

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.880
<v Speaker 1>their state, their local governments. Each state has its own

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>body of laws. Municipalities within those states have additional ordinances

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and regulations. It said, there's continuous changes. It said. The

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.879
<v Speaker 1>dynamic nature of laws means that the total number can

0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 1>fluctuate daily. It said that federal agencies issued thousands of

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:38.560
<v Speaker 1>regulations based on statutory authority. And I kept digging, I

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.680
<v Speaker 1>kept digging. I kept digging, and said, well, you should

0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.719
<v Speaker 1>ask something more specific. So I asked more specific, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally impossible for it to even tell me that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found this in nineteen eighty. In nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of just nineteen to two Justice Department tried

0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to determine the total number of criminal laws in a

0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 1>project that lasted two years. Two years they tried to

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:05.439
<v Speaker 1>figure this out and they couldn't figure it out. That

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.679
<v Speaker 1>was in nineteen eighty. It was scattered among fifty titles,

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty three thousand pages, just federal law. So anyway, what's

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a criminal? We're all criminal, like, so bitcoins for criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if you're not a criminal today, you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a criminal tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And look, and I love that explanation and just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of going through it, especially the Maria and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think he was a he was

0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:35.639
<v Speaker 2>assassinated in the coup and yeah, I mean it was

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.199
<v Speaker 2>execute you better said. But you know, it kind of

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.320
<v Speaker 2>goes back to I don't have it. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>do have an issue with it. The problem is that

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>they're not following their own rules and their own laws

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>that they expect everyone else to follow, right if you're

0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna lecture me, And I never forget this. I was

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<v Speaker 2>hosting the I think it was hosting a Twitter spaces

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 2>at the time, covering the DOJ press conference for Binance,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was my jaw dropped during the press conference

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<v Speaker 2>because they had all the heavy hitters, they had Janet Yellen,

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:20.879
<v Speaker 2>they had Merrick Garland, and they mentioned the word terrorism

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty times during that press conference about Binance. And I

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<v Speaker 2>get what Binance did, and you know, the security stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get it. You can make an argument that

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't kosher. I understand, But why did they mention

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 2>the word terrorism twenty times? Well, it was because you know,

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to pass the narrative. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to send another additional sixty billion dollars to Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>You you could be very confident that a percentage of

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 2>that is being wandered. So who are you to lecture me?

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<v Speaker 2>About what money laundering is. Who are you to lecture

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 2>me about what terrorism is is? Well, you are literally

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 2>funding a war overseas. The US government has been funding

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 2>a war overseas for the last you know what four

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 2>decades continuously. So I don't, I don't. I've gotten to

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 2>this point where I'm like, listen, I just I don't.

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 2>If you lived up to your own laws, maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>believe you, and I'll and I'll drop this last nugget.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a US senator I believe his name is

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Mendez, and he was accusing Nambukla of corruption, said nambukeles,

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<v Speaker 2>corruption is corrupt. He opened, you know, a senate or

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<v Speaker 2>a representative investigation into the guy and it was discovered

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<v Speaker 2>two to three months later that they found literal gold

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<v Speaker 2>bars in this guy's trump Yeah. Boris Johnson, apparently Tucker

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<v Speaker 2>Carlson was trying to get an interview with Boris Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>and one of his staffers, Boris Johnson says like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do the interview if you pay me a million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of dollars gold bar or bitcoin. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the same Boris Johnson that was the Prime Minister of

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<v Speaker 2>the UK that's been hostile towards bitcoin. So it goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to pay attention to what they do, not what

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<v Speaker 2>they say. And also it's clearly a rule. It clearly

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<v Speaker 2>there's rules for them, and there's rules for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us, right, and it's you know, it's it's it's bs.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I agree with your original statement. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many laws. Everyone's a criminal, but the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to that are in charge of enforcing these laws

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>aren't aren't following the laws themselves, and they're expecting the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us, who are supposedly the people in charge

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<v Speaker 2>because it's our government, to follow those laws.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem that I put in this tweet when I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of threw this out there again this is an

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable thing for people in the bitcoin community, but it's like, yeah,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it is money for criminals, and unfortunately, when bitcoin's outlawed,

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>only outlaws will have bitcoin kind of thing. But specifically

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I was I related it back to the problem with laws.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, there's certainly things that we can all

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:09.360
<v Speaker 1>agree are heinous and shouldn't be allowed, But this goes

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>back to sort of like making the law pretty simple

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<v Speaker 1>and laid out so we can all understand it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is is who interprets the law. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>back to like now, all of a sudden across the

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<v Speaker 1>world we have all these like hate speech laws coming

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>out can has put in force. Ireland's gotten pretty strict

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<v Speaker 1>with them, right, But who's to say what's hateful? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>wh who's to say what hateful is?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So the right to free speech means, look, I have

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom to say what I want. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, don't listen to it. But when you say,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go Now in Ireland, right you can go

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<v Speaker 1>to jail for hate speech. But what is hate and

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<v Speaker 1>what what what? What hate speech is divined as today

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<v Speaker 1>will change over time, That's the that's the problem. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think about this is who controls the ledger? Okay, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we talk about bitcoin, who controls the money ledger?

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<v Speaker 1>But we have to trust whoever's controlling the le But

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>we now we have to trust who's controlling who's we

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<v Speaker 1>have to trust who's determining what is hate speech and

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.919
<v Speaker 1>what's not. We have to turn we have to trust

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<v Speaker 1>the person who says what is illegal and what's not.

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And so it continues to force us in these things

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<v Speaker 1>and so just back to like a freedom of speech

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<v Speaker 1>absolutist like, I may hate what you have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll defend your right to say it. I may

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.479
<v Speaker 1>hate what you do, but I'm not going to take

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>away your right to use money anyway. If you're just

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<v Speaker 1>tune in earthing to the Mark mass Show, I'm sending

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. We're talking about bitcoin

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 1>being money for enemies and if there's some validity to

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>do that. We back with more in a minute. You

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta take a very quick break. Don't go away. I'll

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>be right back, all right, welcome back. If you just

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>tune in your thing to the Mark Moss Show, send

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. So, Nico, I kind

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>of threw that out at the last minute, sort of

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>who controls the ledger meaning not just the ledger of money,

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>but the ledger of what's hate speech is or the

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<v Speaker 1>lever of all those what's your what's your response?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a great point because they're one and

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 2>the same. Right, you know, Sotoshi Nakamoto fully understood and

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>the founding fathers of the US understood this as well, right,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>which is Satoshi knew that if anyone could control the ledger,

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be completely biased on what is an appropriate

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>transaction and what is not an appropriate transaction. And the

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 2>founding fathers knew this, and it's literally enshrined in the

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>First Amendment of the Constitution. Congress should make no law

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>or abridging the freedom of speech. They fundamentally knew that

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<v Speaker 2>if there was a human being that was determining what

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>is hate speech and what is not hate speech, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the same as government determining what speech is allowed and

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>what speech is not allowed. It's not a perfect solution,

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>but they came to this. They came to the realization is,

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>let's let the free market of ideas determine what is

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea and what is not a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if you, I think that, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to shut down someone's speech, I think you already

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the discussion with them. You don't have any

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>more arguments. So therefore the next best thing for you

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>to do is just to completely, you know, take away

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>their ability to say anything to you.

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>If you can't win, and the if you can't win

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>in the open market, then you have to censor correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So but this is what's so beautiful about bitcoin. This

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>is so what's so beautiful about freedom tools like noster

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>is that it's eventually going to be a forcing function

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>on governments because if they're if they can't stop you

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>from using bitcoin, if they can't stop you from communicating freely.

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I really do believe in the in the theory from

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 2>the sovereign individual that over time, because of those things,

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>it will make politics irrelevant. If they if they can't

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>make this thing go away, then central bank money is

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>to have to compete with bitcoin. And we all know

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>who's gonna win. The approved narrative is going to have

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>to compete with the free narrative, right that's based on truth.

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>We all know who's gonna win that in the free

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 2>market of ideas. So yeah, I mean they, but that's

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>not going to stop them from trying. We were talking

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>about it yesterday, Mark, and it was a great conversation.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about the separation of church and state

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<v Speaker 2>and how the printing press basically fundamentally changed everything. I

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>think we're at this crossroads in human history, the rise

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of information technologies, the disintermediation of money and information. It's

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of crossover. Information started first, money followed. But I

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's really kind of shifting how humans organize

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>each other. And more importantly, it's calling into question what

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 2>the relationship between the individual and the state is.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you know, I also think about like we

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>have laws in place against killing people, blowing people up,

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>stealing things, like, we have laws in place for that.

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But when they start trying to control your flow of money,

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that's like a pre crime. Well, you can't have freedom

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>of your money because if you do, you might do

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>something that's already illegal. But we already have laws against

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that illegal thing of course, right, And so it sort

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of goes back into sort of back to this statement

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>if we go all the way back to this Stalin statement,

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>right where only in the United States are we innocent

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>until proven guilty, Whereas back in the Stalin era, everybody

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>was guilty, right, we had to find the crime for them.

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like it really has changed in the

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>entire system to where it's like this pre crime era

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, hey, we have to stop you from

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>doing anything that could even potentially ever maybe one day

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>ever could lead you into do something illegal, and it's

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>just like a man, the craziness of that. So, yeah,

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll see where it goes. I think at some point,

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as we talked about yesterday on your show,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>all this technology I believe shows that the state is

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>no longer relevant or competent. And so when they say

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to you the point you made earlier, Elizabeth Warren says,

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you can't custody your bitcoin, and you're like, I can't

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>know twelve words in my head, like how does that

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>even make sense? Like that's like the stupidest thing I've

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>ever heard, Like that's like no, like that doesn't work right,

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think it it's only just making them look

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>more irrelevant. And yeah, I think they're trying to fight

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>against the tide that probably will eventually. It's like, what

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is that saying a standing army is no match for

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a good idea whose time has come or something like that.

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yeah, I mean, look the the I tweeted that,

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I tweeted this out. I think it was a couple

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>of months ago, But the nation state is dead. Everyone's

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>still just playing pretent and I fundamentally believe that. And

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 2>the faster that you really lies or the audience, who's realizing,

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 2>who's listening? The faster you realize that, you know, you

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>have autonomy, you have freedom, tools the likes of which

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 2>has never been seen before in human history to enable

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>or to take back your individual sovereignty from an information

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 2>standpoint and from a monetary standpoint. But it's up to

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you to take agency, to take action in order to

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>enable that sovereignty, in order to achieve that sovereigny, order

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to take back that sovereignty. So the question is are

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you willing to do that? Are you willing to take

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 2>a bit of personal responsibility? Learn how to take bitcoin

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 2>into self custody, Learn how to do your own research,

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Learn how to not trust on a single source, Learn

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>to question things even if it comes from a quote

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>unquote very approved source that I think over the last

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 2>five years has shown that, you know, the so called

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 2>approved sources aren't a you know, one hundred percent accurate

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to say the least. So, yeah, but it's it's very

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>exciting times to be a human. It's very exciting times

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>to be a bitcoiner. And you know, I'm about to

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>be a father, and I am going to do whatever

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>it takes in order for my my my future daughter

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 2>to live a life of freedom and not a life

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>of slavery, because I think the life that central bankers

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and politicians have envisioned for us is a life of

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>slavery with these central bank digital currencies, and not to

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>mention all the other crazy stuff that's coming out of

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the World Economic Forum, they're telling us exactly the life

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>that they have envisioned for us. And you know, to

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 2>use one of their own propaganda pieces, right, they say,

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>you know you'll own nothing and be happy. Well, I

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 2>refuse that. All own bitcoin and be happy, and you

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>can take that or the shut where the sun doesn't shine.

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 1>I love it, you know, and and you know you

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>asked me estday sort of like that encouragement, and I

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>think that's a big piece of it. And so it's like, well,

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>if they want, if they want that for us, we

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>want the opposite. So we want to encourage people to

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:21.479
<v Speaker 1>be owners, like let's stand up, let's be owners, let's

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like reclaim what is ours, and so like, unfortunately you

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>know that we have these cliches. I was listening to

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Jordan Peterson was on tom By Lou's impact theory. Just

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:33.439
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days ago or whatever. I was listening

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to part of it. Man tom By Lou has gotten

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>so smart. Shout out to him the ability for him

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>to go deep with Jordan Peterson. But they were talking

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>about they were kind of going deep into this and

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and he was saying, how cliches are dead, like you

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>say things that you you repeat things, but you haven't

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>thought through them. So it's not a living thought that's malleable.

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>You just say these dead things. But here, well I'll

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>say it a cliche, which is all it takes for

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 1>evil to prosperous, good men to do nothing. And so

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>what happens is as we've abdegated our personal responsibility and

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>our own desires and goals and dreams for the future

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of the world, then evil steps in to fill that

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>void in that vacuum. Right, America was great because we

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>led We led the world through excellence, not by beating

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>people over the head with sanctions, but by building the

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>world of excellence. Men built industry, right, And so what

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 1>happens is as we've pulled back, then evil will step

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>in and fill that role any you know, every day

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>of the week. And so in order to reverse that

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 1>tight we have to go back to becoming the builders.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 1>We have to envision the world that we dream of,

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>and then we have to actively engage in building that,

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and we have to be owners. And to your point, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>when you've been a slave for multiple generations, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to think of being a free man again. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this time and time again in the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>when Moses led everybody out of Egypt in Exodus. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Exodus story, they said, Oh, it's too hard out here,

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<v Speaker 1>let us just go back to be slaves, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they said. But it's time to stand up and reclaim that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tuning in, you listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>More show up and sitting down with Nico from Simply

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin talking about bitcoin. We'll link to nico stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes down below. We're running out of time,

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<v Speaker 1>so I gotta shut this down. But that's what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for listening.