1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Well and welcome to another episode of the Mark Mass Show. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: We're always talking about the decentralized revolution. We're talking about 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: the way the world changes as we look at through 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: the lens of politics, finance, and technology. And of course 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: it's always technology that changes the world. And you know 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: that technology is bitcoin that's changing the world as we 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: know it. You know, I like to bring to you 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: some education, some breaking news, but also some interesting guests. 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: You don't have to listen to me all the time. 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: And that's what I have today. I am sitting down 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: with Nico. He's the host of Simply Bitcoin. He thinks 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm a good content creator. I love his content, super creative, 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: super insightful, and you know, it's just different. And so anyway, Nico, 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me and coming back to the channel again. 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for the Mark always an honor. 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I you know, I love talking to different people. I 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: love different insights. You know, it's crazy so many people 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: suffer from like a confirmation bias where they just want 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: to hear what they think. But I like different perspectives. 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: And you're younger, and you know you came from Argentina, 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: was it Argentina? 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: My aparents are originally from Venezuela. 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: Venezuela, Venezuela. Sorry, yeah, and but I mean it just 24 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: gives you having parents like that, it gives you a 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: different upbringing and a different viewpoint. So I love it, 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: and I love what you're doing. I want to just 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: jump right into it. You know. I saw you posting 28 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter today about the EU Central Bank and what 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: they had to say about bitcoin, which is pretty interesting. 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: They said it's it's a failure. They said bitcoin is 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: a failure. Did you see that? I did? 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: I did you know? I coined this term a couple 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: months ago. I started seeing a pattern, and essentially it's 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: the iron law of central banker politician projection. They project 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: onto us what it is they are guilty of themselves. 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: If you take a look at the report, you know, 37 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: they they they said that the you know, the emperors losing. 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: You know, the emperor has no clothes, they said, you know, 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: they use the word evil even and then if you 40 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: take a look at the references that they used, they 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: used a ten year old paper as one of the references, right, 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: So what that tells me is that they're desperate, they 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: don't know what to do, and they're used to operating 44 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: in environment. We just recently had this conversation mark where 45 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: they had a total monopoly on the information flows and 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: now on Twitter, anybody can just reply to them, right, 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: you know, you're on equal footing. And they got they 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: got community noted, and the community note was brutal. They 49 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: got ratioed. I don't know who thought that was a 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: good idea, but that tells me we're winning. That tells 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: me we're over the target, and that tells me they're scared. 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a sidetrack note, but it's 53 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: so important. Back to Yeah, we did have this conversation 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: yesterday on your show and sort of how technology has 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: gotten ahead of the government. But really I noticed it. 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're both on YouTube. I noticed it. At 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: the last presidential election, they took away the down the 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: down thumb off of YouTube and that was because Biden's 59 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: videos were getting so many any doubt, like like one 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: like in a million downs or something crazy like that, 61 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: and they literally took it off. And so to the 62 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: point that you just made like for the ability for 63 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: now the public to weigh in on these things, I mean, 64 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty insane, and I think it's pretty apparent 65 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: back to follow our conversation yesterday, like they can't have this, 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Like they can't allow that. 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: No, they can't. And just to go back to, you know, 68 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: the point that you made about Biden the last election. 69 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: You know, supposedly this was the most popular elected you know, 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: person that was ever elected, and how could it be that, 71 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, his like dislike ratio was the way it 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: was right that it doesn't fit the narrative, It doesn't 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: quite fit what it is that they're trying to tell us. 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: And a couple of years ago, maybe it was like 75 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: about a year ago or so, they tried to release 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: the quote unquote Ministry of Truth here in the US, 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: out of all places, completely against the First Amendment. So 78 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: it kind of goes into you know what we were 79 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: talking about yesterday, the theory of the sovereign individual, about 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: how information technologies was going to disintermediate information, democratize content creation, 81 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: and you know, it's creating this absolute nightmare for governments. 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: They just don't know what to do. And not only 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: the cognitive dissonance, but also like this short circuit because 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: you see their totalitarian impulses trying to get in there 85 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: and say, you know, we gotta get this taken down. 86 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: I mean, look at the election, they got a president 87 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: taken off of Twitter, right, so you're seeing the old 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: system clash with the new system. But I think once 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: we get over this hill, I am extremely optimistic about 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: the future. It is gonna be a little bit bumpy 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: for sure in the next five ten years, but after 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: we get over that hill, I'm very optimistic. 93 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: In this. They said that I didn't read the report. 94 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I haven't had time to. Maybe you have, but it 95 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: says on their tweet that bitcoin has failed to become 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: a global decentralized digital currency, instead falling victim to fraud 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: and manipulation. So that's what they put in their in 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: their tweet. So if we break that down and maybe 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: they gave more context inside, but has failed, okay failed 100 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: what to become a globally centralized digital currency? So one 101 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: money is an evolutionary process, so it takes time. So 102 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: we have a brand new as I tweeted out, a 103 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: new revolutionary technological invention, and it's failed. Like what definition 104 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: does that? So has it failed? I mean it is 105 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: being used. Is it a decentralized digital currency? It is? 106 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: Is there like a certain level, Like did they give 107 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: any sort of reference to how has it failed. 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: No, they just make a claim, and that's the beauty 109 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: of the community, not the community. Note literally went line 110 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: by line with all their different claims. It went number one, 111 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: bitcoin is not preferable for criminals. Number two, Bitcoin is 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: an open monetary protocol, and the centralized store of value. 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: Number three, which answers your question, The Euro is losing 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: its purchasing power against bitcoin constantly, and if you actually 115 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: take a look at the data, if you take a 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: look at if you take a look at percentage terms, 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: the Euro has lost ninety two point seventy four percent 118 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: of its value against bitcoin for the last five years. 119 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: And it goes back to my original point of the 120 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: iron law of central banker and politician projection. They project 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 2: onto bitcoin what it is, they are guilty of themselves. 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: The Euro is failing to bitcoin in real time. Now, 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: you'd have to ask yourself. It is kind of a 124 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 2: coincidence that they came out with this with this report, 125 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: because today the ECB reported record losses for twenty twenty three, 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: So it's kind of a coincidence that that tweet comes 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: out about bitcoin and then this news comes out on 128 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: the same day. 129 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when you say it's failed, 130 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: the euro failing to the bitcoin, you're saying the purchasing 131 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: power of the currency has failed. And so at least 132 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: we have some sort of like a parameter to what 133 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: like failed means. I don't know what metric they're talking about, 134 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: like has it failed to be more widely used than 135 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the Euro? But of course like regulations prevent that. But 136 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: I want to lead us into a conversation and we'll 137 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: see how I think you're going to be comfortable with. 138 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Michael Sailor would not be comfortable with the conversation. I 139 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: tweeted it out yesterday. I put a video clip of 140 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: Andrew Sorkin talking about to fund strat saying that you know, 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: bitcoin is only being used for illicit purposes and he said, well, 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: pirates use gold first, and then you know whatever, and 143 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: I posted this, so I want to talk about that. 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: So you said that they're saying they're throwing shade fud 145 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: that bitcoin is only used for illicit purposes, illegal purposes, 146 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and you said it's not. And the fact checking is 147 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: that most of that's happening in dollars. The kind of 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: illicit transaction happening to bitcoin is like not even like 149 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a drop in the bucket compared to what's being done 150 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: in dollars. So we have that, right, But let's let's 151 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: dive down into this conversation a little bit, right, So 152 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: you put on Twitter that anyone can create a bitcoin wallet, 153 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: not everyone can open a bank account? 154 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: Yes, what is that? So? I mean like the And 155 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: there's another there's another tweet that I came out with 156 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: not too long long, too long ago, and it's kind 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: of very similar, right, which is this idea that this 158 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: idea that that bitcoin doesn't judge based on where you 159 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: happen to be born in, right, and their system does right? 160 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: And another tweet that I came out with, which was 161 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: I sent a wire it's obvious that bitcoin wins. And 162 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: one of the attacking vehicles that anti bitcoin politicians like 163 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren are using to attack something like bitcoin, is 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: this idea that bitcoin. 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: Wait huh wait wait, I'm gonna stop you there because 166 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: I need a cliffhanger because you're listening to the Mark 167 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: Mass Show. I'm sitting down with Nico from Simply a 168 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: Bitcoin and we got to take a very quick break. 169 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: But if you want to find out what this attack 170 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: vector is, that Elizabeth Warren is coming back with. Make 171 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: sure you stick around. We're gonna take a super quick break. 172 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss this rest of this conversation. 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna lead Nico down into a path you don't 174 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: hear about talked about in bitcoin. We're gonna talk about 175 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: it here in a second. Don't go away, We're gonna 176 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, welcome back. If you just 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show, I'm 178 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: sitting down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. Nico. Before the break, 179 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: you were going to say, what is Elizabeth Warren using 180 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: as her tool? 181 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Elizabeth Warren, she used a Wall Street Journal 182 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: article that took advantage of the tragedy happening in Palestine 183 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: and Israel, and it made the claim that that bitcoin 184 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: was being used for illsted finance, it was being used 185 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: for terrorist financing. It came out after the fact, about 186 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: a week or two later, that that article completely misrepresented 187 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: the data. But that didn't stop the finsend to introduce 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: a very very hostile type of regulation that would essentially 189 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: make it so that any type of lightning network transaction, 190 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: any type of address reused, would have to be, it 191 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: would have to be surveiled, it would have to be 192 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: reported to the US government, not to mention, she got 193 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: four additional Senators that signed up to a bill that 194 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: would essentially not my words, this is Pierre Rishard's words, 195 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: that would essentially kill bitcoin mining in the United States. 196 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: And now we have twenty percent of the US Senate 197 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats. She's got two Republicans to sign up 198 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: for this bill that would essentially kill bitcoin mining in 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: the US. It would kill bitcoin self custody in the US. 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: So the point that I'm trying to make is that 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: they're taking advantage of TRACK, they're misrepresenting the data in 202 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: in order to achieve a certain political goal in the 203 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: United States, which is to outlaw self custody altogether and 204 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: also go after bitcoin minors. Right, They've been solely focused 205 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: on doing that the last six months. I've been covering 206 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: it almost every other day, And you know, it blows 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: my mind to what length these people will go to 208 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: in order to stop use from using a money that 209 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: doesn't steal from you, which is absolutely absurd. But at 210 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: the same time, it's exposing them for who they are, Like, 211 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: how does it hurt anybody for me, as an American citizen, 212 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: as a first generation American, to hold to memorize twelve words, 213 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: write down twelve words, to use the money that is 214 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: outside the grasp of the hands of government. How does 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: that hurt anybody? Right? So, I think they're desperate. I 216 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: think they're scared. I think they see the writing on 217 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: the wall that bitcoin is help. 218 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: How it hurts people. How it hurts people is that 219 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you could give money to a t terrorists. 220 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you could be funding terrorism. 221 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 2: But that's what they say. But if you actually took it, 222 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: if you actually took take a look at the data 223 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: and what that was posted by Senator Cynthia Lumus, the 224 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: Bitcoin senator coming out of Wyoming, ninety nine point three 225 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: percent of illicit finance is actually done using the traditional 226 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: financial system, and Representative Tom Emmer actually interviewed or had 227 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: the head of FINSEND testify in congressional testimony that actually 228 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: terrorists prefer using the traditional financial system versus bitcoin. But 229 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: that didn't stop Elizabeth Warren to try to use her 230 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: media allies in order to achieve a certain political end goal, 231 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: which again, just like the central Bank, just like the 232 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: European Central Bank tweet. It tells me that we're over 233 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: the target and that we're winning. 234 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a report that came out, I don't 235 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: know two years ago called the Finns and Files, and 236 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: it basically exposed all this I think two trillion dollars 237 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: that were used for illicit transactions knowingly knowingly, So in 238 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: these fence and files, it exposed all these banks HSBC, 239 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: like International Banks, big banks, JP Morgan and showed how 240 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: they were literally like laundering money for drug cartels and 241 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: like they did all this and then they pay small 242 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: fines that are small percentages of the total amount of money 243 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: that they made. So it's like a slap on the wrist. 244 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: And and these globally regulated licensed facilities from the Federal 245 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Reserve of the Central Banks were knowingly allowing this to happen. 246 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: So it's like with bitcoin, at least there's like, hey, 247 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: it's anonymous and if people use it, they use it. 248 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I can't control what they use it for, whereas here 249 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: these banks were actively facilitating it, which is a big difference. 250 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: And so when you think about that in those terms, Niko, 251 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: like you talk about per tom Emmer saying whatever it 252 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: was ninety eight percent or being used dollars in a 253 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: controlled and permission system, right, I mean, so it's like 254 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: a magnitude of orders and worse in my opinion. But 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: the point that I want to get to that I 256 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: want to I want to talk about for a minute, 257 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: is bitcoin really for criminals? And that's why I said, 258 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: this is not a conversation here talked about and I 259 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: know Michael said I would never want to talk about it, 260 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: but like, is it money for criminals? But like, what 261 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: is a criminal? 262 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: It it? 263 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: That's the key piece. What what is a criminal? 264 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: Bitcoin is the money of enemies? 265 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Right? 266 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: Bitcoin is the money of enemies. We have to be 267 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 2: okay with anybody using it. I find it very difficult 268 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: to be lectured by government bureaucrats that are sending billions 269 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: of dollars to fund a foreign war, of which that 270 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: money is not accounted for. There was a report that 271 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: came out of the Pentagon that they had a it 272 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: was like it was like a five hundred billion dollar 273 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: accounting error. And then at the same time, you know, 274 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: they're expecting us to report any transaction over six hundred dollars, right, 275 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: So it's rules for thee. 276 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: But the Pentagon lost. The Pentagon lost the day before 277 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. The day before Donald Remsfeld, who ran 278 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: the Pentagon at the time, went on National TV and 279 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: said they lost. 280 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: Two Trillionah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. 281 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: The day before the towers got hit. And then like 282 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: a year ago they reported they lost another two trillion. 283 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's yeah, we sent a hundred billion into 284 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: Ukraine with no accounting, which we now we do know 285 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: that a lot of those weapons have ended up in 286 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Mexican cartels and things like that. But yet, yeah, to 287 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: your point, they want to audit our six hundred dollars. 288 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: It's rules for thee and not for me. Like it's 289 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: as simple as that. And I think that, you know, 290 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: something something like bitcoin comes along and it's a clear 291 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: and present danger for them for the racket that has 292 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: been happening, and I think that they're going to try 293 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: to use everything in anything to try to stop this thing, 294 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: try to stop the adoption of bitcoin. I don't think 295 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: they're going to be successful. I think the incentives are 296 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: too great and it's going to be a very very 297 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: uphill battle, especially as more time goes by and more 298 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: and more people adopt this technology with the black rock 299 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: etf being rolled out. I mean, I saw it the 300 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: other day. You had the anchor of squawk Box, Joe 301 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: Like I can't I forget his last name, Joe Scarborough. 302 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: I think that's his name, but essentially he was killing 303 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Gary Gensler on air, Like Gary Gensler was trying to 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: tell him, like, you know, this bitcoin thing, it's not 305 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: the real deal, you know, you gotta be careful, and 306 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: he's like, what are you talking about? You know, like 307 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: people are adopting this because people don't believe in the 308 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: Central Bank. And Gary Gensler had no response to him, 309 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: and you know how, I know he could be potentially 310 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: compromised because this is someone who taught classes at Harvard 311 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: or Stanford, I forget what the institution was, like MIT 312 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: about bitcoins, so I know he knows, but obviously he's 313 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: trying to protect his job, you know. So anyways, all 314 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: this stuff going on. 315 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: I went I went back and I went back and 316 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: watched on YouTube. You can watch just search Gary gins 317 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: or MIT on YouTube. You can watch his presentations and 318 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: he breaks it all down bitcoins specific perfectly, Like I mean, 319 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: he's a bitcointer, right, Like he breaks down the distributed ledger, 320 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: he breaks down the the you know, the way to 321 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: toast you solved the problem. He talks about the need 322 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: because of what central bankers are doing. I mean, he 323 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: breaks the whole thing down, so like it's a it's 324 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: a blatant lie. I was gonna try to grab the 325 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: video and edit it up and post it, but I 326 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: didn't get around to it. But I mean, it's a 327 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: blatant lie because to your point, he knows better and 328 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: to your point, yeah, Joe on squawk Box, he's he's 329 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: been nailing in so sort of back to this criminal element, 330 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: he says, But look, you can't blame the tool, right, 331 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: So like bad guys whatever you want to call him, terrorists, 332 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: They drive cars, they go on social media, they eat food, 333 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: they drink water, Like we can't just ban everything that 334 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: they do, right, Like well if we if we ban water, 335 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: they they'll die because they can't drink water. Right. It's 336 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: like it's a it's a little bit broad. But I 337 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: want to come back and dig into this a little 338 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: bit more. But I gotta take a very quick break. 339 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 340 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Maas Show send down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin, running 341 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: through what is going on in the bitcoin role. We're 342 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: back with more in a minute. Don't go away, all right, 343 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: welcome back. If you're just tuning in you're listening to 344 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: the Mark Mass Show and send down with Nico from 345 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: Simply Bitcoin and Nico. I want to get back to 346 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: the question though. So the question I asked in light 347 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: of this Elizabeth Warren and all this information, is what 348 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: is even a criminal? And so I'm gonna lay this 349 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: out a little bit, right, So you mentioned earlier we 350 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: started with one of your tweets that that anyone can 351 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: create a bitcoin wallet, not everyone can open a bank account. 352 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: So let's just start with that. So we know there's 353 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: approximately a billion and a half or so adults in 354 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: the world that can't open a bank account because they 355 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: don't have permission. So if they did, that would be illegal. 356 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: They would be a criminal. Yeah, right, So what's a criminal? 357 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean if we keep going and I want to 358 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: I want to pull this. There's this quote I want 359 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: to pull out, and it's under communist Russia, under the 360 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: sort of in the forties and fifties, sort of at 361 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the height of the Goulag and all of that under 362 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: the height of the Stalin era, we'll call it that Bria, 363 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: which is one of Stalin's like main lieutenants. He had 364 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: a quote that's been used a lot, and it said 365 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: Bria targeted the man first, then proceeded to find or 366 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: fabricate a crime. Bria's modus operande was to presume the 367 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: man guilty and fill in the blanks later. So you've 368 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: probably heard that, show me the man, I'll show you 369 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the crime, right And so when you think about this, 370 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: show me the man, I'll show you the crime, sort 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: of like what's happened to Donald Trump. You know, if 372 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: they were just hey, he did this thing, and no 373 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: one's above a wall that's prosecuted for him. But when 374 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you're getting prosecuted on from fifty different directions, I mean, 375 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: it's like pretty obviously at this point. But let's just 376 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about this for a second. And actually, I love 377 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: one of my favorite authors, F. A. Hyek. He wrote 378 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: The Road to Serve Them, which everyone should read if 379 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: you haven't read it, and I believe it's chapter six. 380 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: He talks about the law and the law should be 381 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: written down concrete and it should be simple enough that 382 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: everyone can understand it, and it should be fixed so 383 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: that I can plan my life based on those set 384 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: of rules, and you could plan your life sort of 385 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: like if we play basketball. The rules of basketball are fixed, 386 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: but I'm going to approach the game different than Lebron 387 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: James would, right, and so the law should be like that. 388 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: But let me break this down. So I have seen 389 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: reports in the past and it shows like the amount 390 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: of laws that have grown over time. And so I 391 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: went to go to try to find this information for 392 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: this show, and you can't find it. It's so bad. 393 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: So I saw there's been thirty thousand statutes. So in law, 394 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: we have laws, we have regulations, we have rules, we 395 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: have statutes, ordinances. All of these are basically laws, thirty 396 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: thousand statutes and so no matter what, you're breaking the law, 397 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: whether you know it. And I asked chat GPT how 398 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: many laws, statutes, and regulations are in the United States today. 399 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: Chat GBT said that to quantify that is impossible. It said, 400 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: there's different levels of government law statute, regulations, their federal 401 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: their state, their local governments. Each state has its own 402 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: body of laws. Municipalities within those states have additional ordinances 403 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: and regulations. It said, there's continuous changes. It said. The 404 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: dynamic nature of laws means that the total number can 405 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: fluctuate daily. It said that federal agencies issued thousands of 406 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: regulations based on statutory authority. And I kept digging, I 407 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: kept digging. I kept digging, and said, well, you should 408 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: ask something more specific. So I asked more specific, and 409 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: it's literally impossible for it to even tell me that. 410 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: And I found this in nineteen eighty. In nineteen eighty, 411 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: the Department of just nineteen to two Justice Department tried 412 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: to determine the total number of criminal laws in a 413 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: project that lasted two years. Two years they tried to 414 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: figure this out and they couldn't figure it out. That 415 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: was in nineteen eighty. It was scattered among fifty titles, 416 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: twenty three thousand pages, just federal law. So anyway, what's 417 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: a criminal? We're all criminal, like, so bitcoins for criminals. 418 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: And even if you're not a criminal today, you're probably 419 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: going to be a criminal tomorrow. 420 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, and I love that explanation and just 421 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: kind of going through it, especially the Maria and stuff. 422 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: And you know, I think he was a he was 423 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: assassinated in the coup and yeah, I mean it was 424 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: execute you better said. But you know, it kind of 425 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: goes back to I don't have it. I mean, I 426 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: do have an issue with it. The problem is that 427 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: they're not following their own rules and their own laws 428 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: that they expect everyone else to follow, right if you're 429 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 2: gonna lecture me, And I never forget this. I was 430 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: hosting the I think it was hosting a Twitter spaces 431 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: at the time, covering the DOJ press conference for Binance, 432 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: and I was my jaw dropped during the press conference 433 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: because they had all the heavy hitters, they had Janet Yellen, 434 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 2: they had Merrick Garland, and they mentioned the word terrorism 435 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: twenty times during that press conference about Binance. And I 436 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: get what Binance did, and you know, the security stuff, 437 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: and I get it. You can make an argument that 438 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: that wasn't kosher. I understand, But why did they mention 439 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: the word terrorism twenty times? Well, it was because you know, 440 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: they're trying to pass the narrative. But here's the thing. 441 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: They're trying to send another additional sixty billion dollars to Ukraine. 442 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: You you could be very confident that a percentage of 443 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: that is being wandered. So who are you to lecture me? 444 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: About what money laundering is. Who are you to lecture 445 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: me about what terrorism is is? Well, you are literally 446 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: funding a war overseas. The US government has been funding 447 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: a war overseas for the last you know what four 448 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: decades continuously. So I don't, I don't. I've gotten to 449 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: this point where I'm like, listen, I just I don't. 450 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: If you lived up to your own laws, maybe I 451 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: believe you, and I'll and I'll drop this last nugget. 452 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: There was a US senator I believe his name is 453 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: Senator Mendez, and he was accusing Nambukla of corruption, said nambukeles, 454 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: corruption is corrupt. He opened, you know, a senate or 455 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: a representative investigation into the guy and it was discovered 456 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: two to three months later that they found literal gold 457 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: bars in this guy's trump Yeah. Boris Johnson, apparently Tucker 458 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: Carlson was trying to get an interview with Boris Johnson 459 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: and one of his staffers, Boris Johnson says like, yeah, 460 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: I'll do the interview if you pay me a million 461 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: dollars worth of dollars gold bar or bitcoin. This is 462 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 2: the same Boris Johnson that was the Prime Minister of 463 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: the UK that's been hostile towards bitcoin. So it goes 464 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: back to pay attention to what they do, not what 465 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: they say. And also it's clearly a rule. It clearly 466 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: there's rules for them, and there's rules for the rest 467 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: of us, right, and it's you know, it's it's it's bs. 468 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with your original statement. There's so 469 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: many laws. Everyone's a criminal, but the people that are 470 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: supposed to that are in charge of enforcing these laws 471 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: aren't aren't following the laws themselves, and they're expecting the 472 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: rest of us, who are supposedly the people in charge 473 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: because it's our government, to follow those laws. 474 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: The problem that I put in this tweet when I 475 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: kind of threw this out there again this is an 476 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: uncomfortable thing for people in the bitcoin community, but it's like, yeah, 477 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: it is money for criminals, and unfortunately, when bitcoin's outlawed, 478 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: only outlaws will have bitcoin kind of thing. But specifically 479 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: I was I related it back to the problem with laws. 480 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's certainly things that we can all 481 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: agree are heinous and shouldn't be allowed, But this goes 482 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: back to sort of like making the law pretty simple 483 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: and laid out so we can all understand it. But 484 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: the problem is is who interprets the law. So for example, 485 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: back to like now, all of a sudden across the 486 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: world we have all these like hate speech laws coming 487 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: out can has put in force. Ireland's gotten pretty strict 488 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: with them, right, But who's to say what's hateful? Like, 489 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: wh who's to say what hateful is? 490 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: Right? 491 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: So the right to free speech means, look, I have 492 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: the freedom to say what I want. If you don't 493 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: like it, don't listen to it. But when you say, 494 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: you can go Now in Ireland, right you can go 495 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: to jail for hate speech. But what is hate and 496 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: what what what? What hate speech is divined as today 497 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: will change over time, That's the that's the problem. And 498 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: I think about this is who controls the ledger? Okay, right, 499 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: so we talk about bitcoin, who controls the money ledger? 500 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: But we have to trust whoever's controlling the le But 501 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: we now we have to trust who's controlling who's we 502 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: have to trust who's determining what is hate speech and 503 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: what's not. We have to turn we have to trust 504 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: the person who says what is illegal and what's not. 505 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: And so it continues to force us in these things 506 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: and so just back to like a freedom of speech 507 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: absolutist like, I may hate what you have to say, 508 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: but I'll defend your right to say it. I may 509 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: hate what you do, but I'm not going to take 510 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: away your right to use money anyway. If you're just 511 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: tune in earthing to the Mark mass Show, I'm sending 512 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. We're talking about bitcoin 513 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: being money for enemies and if there's some validity to 514 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: do that. We back with more in a minute. You 515 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: gotta take a very quick break. Don't go away. I'll 516 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: be right back, all right, welcome back. If you just 517 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: tune in your thing to the Mark Moss Show, send 518 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: down with Nico from Simply Bitcoin. So, Nico, I kind 519 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: of threw that out at the last minute, sort of 520 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: who controls the ledger meaning not just the ledger of money, 521 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: but the ledger of what's hate speech is or the 522 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: lever of all those what's your what's your response? 523 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great point because they're one and 524 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: the same. Right, you know, Sotoshi Nakamoto fully understood and 525 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: the founding fathers of the US understood this as well, right, 526 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: which is Satoshi knew that if anyone could control the ledger, 527 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: They're gonna be completely biased on what is an appropriate 528 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: transaction and what is not an appropriate transaction. And the 529 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: founding fathers knew this, and it's literally enshrined in the 530 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: First Amendment of the Constitution. Congress should make no law 531 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, 532 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: or abridging the freedom of speech. They fundamentally knew that 533 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: if there was a human being that was determining what 534 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: is hate speech and what is not hate speech, that's 535 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: the same as government determining what speech is allowed and 536 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: what speech is not allowed. It's not a perfect solution, 537 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: but they came to this. They came to the realization is, 538 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: let's let the free market of ideas determine what is 539 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: a good idea and what is not a good idea. 540 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: I think that if you, I think that, if you're 541 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: trying to shut down someone's speech, I think you already 542 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: lost in the discussion with them. You don't have any 543 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: more arguments. So therefore the next best thing for you 544 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: to do is just to completely, you know, take away 545 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: their ability to say anything to you. 546 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: If you can't win, and the if you can't win 547 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: in the open market, then you have to censor correct. 548 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: So but this is what's so beautiful about bitcoin. This 549 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: is so what's so beautiful about freedom tools like noster 550 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: is that it's eventually going to be a forcing function 551 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: on governments because if they're if they can't stop you 552 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: from using bitcoin, if they can't stop you from communicating freely. 553 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: I really do believe in the in the theory from 554 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: the sovereign individual that over time, because of those things, 555 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: it will make politics irrelevant. If they if they can't 556 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: make this thing go away, then central bank money is 557 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: to have to compete with bitcoin. And we all know 558 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: who's gonna win. The approved narrative is going to have 559 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: to compete with the free narrative, right that's based on truth. 560 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: We all know who's gonna win that in the free 561 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: market of ideas. So yeah, I mean they, but that's 562 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: not going to stop them from trying. We were talking 563 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: about it yesterday, Mark, and it was a great conversation. 564 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: We were talking about the separation of church and state 565 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: and how the printing press basically fundamentally changed everything. I 566 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: think we're at this crossroads in human history, the rise 567 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: of information technologies, the disintermediation of money and information. It's 568 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: kind of crossover. Information started first, money followed. But I 569 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: think it's it's really kind of shifting how humans organize 570 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: each other. And more importantly, it's calling into question what 571 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: the relationship between the individual and the state is. 572 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: What about you know, I also think about like we 573 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: have laws in place against killing people, blowing people up, 574 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: stealing things, like, we have laws in place for that. 575 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: But when they start trying to control your flow of money, 576 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: that's like a pre crime. Well, you can't have freedom 577 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: of your money because if you do, you might do 578 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: something that's already illegal. But we already have laws against 579 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: that illegal thing of course, right, And so it sort 580 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: of goes back into sort of back to this statement 581 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: if we go all the way back to this Stalin statement, 582 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: right where only in the United States are we innocent 583 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: until proven guilty, Whereas back in the Stalin era, everybody 584 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: was guilty, right, we had to find the crime for them. 585 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: And so it's like it really has changed in the 586 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: entire system to where it's like this pre crime era 587 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, we have to stop you from 588 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: doing anything that could even potentially ever maybe one day 589 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: ever could lead you into do something illegal, and it's 590 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: just like a man, the craziness of that. So, yeah, 591 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. I think at some point, 592 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, as we talked about yesterday on your show, 593 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: all this technology I believe shows that the state is 594 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: no longer relevant or competent. And so when they say 595 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: to you the point you made earlier, Elizabeth Warren says, 596 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: you can't custody your bitcoin, and you're like, I can't 597 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: know twelve words in my head, like how does that 598 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: even make sense? Like that's like the stupidest thing I've 599 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: ever heard, Like that's like no, like that doesn't work right, 600 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: And I think it it's only just making them look 601 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: more irrelevant. And yeah, I think they're trying to fight 602 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: against the tide that probably will eventually. It's like, what 603 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: is that saying a standing army is no match for 604 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: a good idea whose time has come or something like that. 605 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, I mean, look the the I tweeted that, 606 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: I tweeted this out. I think it was a couple 607 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: of months ago, But the nation state is dead. Everyone's 608 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: still just playing pretent and I fundamentally believe that. And 609 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: the faster that you really lies or the audience, who's realizing, 610 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 2: who's listening? The faster you realize that, you know, you 611 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: have autonomy, you have freedom, tools the likes of which 612 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: has never been seen before in human history to enable 613 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: or to take back your individual sovereignty from an information 614 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: standpoint and from a monetary standpoint. But it's up to 615 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: you to take agency, to take action in order to 616 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: enable that sovereignty, in order to achieve that sovereigny, order 617 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: to take back that sovereignty. So the question is are 618 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: you willing to do that? Are you willing to take 619 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: a bit of personal responsibility? Learn how to take bitcoin 620 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: into self custody, Learn how to do your own research, 621 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: Learn how to not trust on a single source, Learn 622 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: to question things even if it comes from a quote 623 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: unquote very approved source that I think over the last 624 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: five years has shown that, you know, the so called 625 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: approved sources aren't a you know, one hundred percent accurate 626 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 2: to say the least. So, yeah, but it's it's very 627 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: exciting times to be a human. It's very exciting times 628 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: to be a bitcoiner. And you know, I'm about to 629 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: be a father, and I am going to do whatever 630 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: it takes in order for my my my future daughter 631 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 2: to live a life of freedom and not a life 632 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 2: of slavery, because I think the life that central bankers 633 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: and politicians have envisioned for us is a life of 634 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: slavery with these central bank digital currencies, and not to 635 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: mention all the other crazy stuff that's coming out of 636 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum, they're telling us exactly the life 637 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: that they have envisioned for us. And you know, to 638 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: use one of their own propaganda pieces, right, they say, 639 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: you know you'll own nothing and be happy. Well, I 640 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: refuse that. All own bitcoin and be happy, and you 641 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: can take that or the shut where the sun doesn't shine. 642 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: I love it, you know, and and you know you 643 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: asked me estday sort of like that encouragement, and I 644 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: think that's a big piece of it. And so it's like, well, 645 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: if they want, if they want that for us, we 646 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: want the opposite. So we want to encourage people to 647 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,479 Speaker 1: be owners, like let's stand up, let's be owners, let's 648 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: like reclaim what is ours, and so like, unfortunately you 649 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: know that we have these cliches. I was listening to 650 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson was on tom By Lou's impact theory. Just 651 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago or whatever. I was listening 652 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: to part of it. Man tom By Lou has gotten 653 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: so smart. Shout out to him the ability for him 654 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: to go deep with Jordan Peterson. But they were talking 655 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: about they were kind of going deep into this and 656 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: and he was saying, how cliches are dead, like you 657 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: say things that you you repeat things, but you haven't 658 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: thought through them. So it's not a living thought that's malleable. 659 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: You just say these dead things. But here, well I'll 660 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: say it a cliche, which is all it takes for 661 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: evil to prosperous, good men to do nothing. And so 662 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: what happens is as we've abdegated our personal responsibility and 663 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: our own desires and goals and dreams for the future 664 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: of the world, then evil steps in to fill that 665 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: void in that vacuum. Right, America was great because we 666 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: led We led the world through excellence, not by beating 667 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: people over the head with sanctions, but by building the 668 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: world of excellence. Men built industry, right, And so what 669 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: happens is as we've pulled back, then evil will step 670 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: in and fill that role any you know, every day 671 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: of the week. And so in order to reverse that 672 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: tight we have to go back to becoming the builders. 673 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: We have to envision the world that we dream of, 674 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: and then we have to actively engage in building that, 675 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: and we have to be owners. And to your point, unfortunately, 676 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 1: when you've been a slave for multiple generations, it's really 677 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: hard to think of being a free man again. You know, 678 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: we've seen this time and time again in the Bible 679 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: when Moses led everybody out of Egypt in Exodus. In 680 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: the Exodus story, they said, Oh, it's too hard out here, 681 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: let us just go back to be slaves, that's what 682 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: they said. But it's time to stand up and reclaim that. 683 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you listening to the Mark 684 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: More show up and sitting down with Nico from Simply 685 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: Bitcoin talking about bitcoin. We'll link to nico stuff in 686 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: the show notes down below. We're running out of time, 687 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: so I gotta shut this down. But that's what we got. 688 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening.