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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I

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Speaker 1: never told you aplecture if I heard.

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Speaker 2: You, And welcome to another edition of a happy hour.

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Speaker 2: But today it's going to be a happy happy hour

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Speaker 2: and not an unhappy hour or a bit in wine,

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Speaker 2: which I love.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that cinema, I'm pretty.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but for today, if you are participating in happy

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Speaker 2: hour activities, do so responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Do everything responsibly. Take care of yourself. We need you.

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Speaker 2: Currently not sponsored by any of the things that I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I feel like some of these things should be sponsoring us.

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Speaker 2: That way, how do we get Costco as a sponsorship? Like,

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Speaker 2: come on, I need a hot dog?

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Speaker 3: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Moving on, So, I wanted to talk about a new

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Speaker 2: found joy that I have had as of recent and

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Speaker 2: it's me dabbling into the gardening world, which I feel

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Speaker 2: like I've mentioned previously because I am very excited that

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Speaker 2: I have produced tomatoes and have eaten some said tomatoes.

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Speaker 2: I have produced jilapenos, and I have eaten these kialapennos

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Speaker 2: and they're coming in and they're growing, and watching them

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Speaker 2: grow is one of the most exciting things that I

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Speaker 2: think have happened, that I actually enjoy. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been on the quest for hobbies for a long time, which,

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Speaker 2: I can relate. But at the same time, I'm not

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Speaker 2: but whatever. But with that, so, I have talked about

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Speaker 2: the fact that I have killed plants. I kill many

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Speaker 2: of plants, burns more succulents, other things. Anyway, but this

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should prep with some some foods and see

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Speaker 2: how far I can go with this. And I Caroline,

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Speaker 2: you know previous hosts, her and her partner are gardening themes,

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Speaker 2: like cool, that's cool for you.

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Speaker 2: Caroline has always been a plant person, like her house

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Speaker 2: during the pandemic was like a jungle and she was

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Speaker 2: thriving on talking about these plants. And I just stared

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Speaker 2: are in two different worlds? We're not But all of that,

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Speaker 2: I say, so I'm currently doing. And I have said

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but yes, but them too quickly.

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Speaker 2: But yes, we got to enjoy things. But like I've

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Speaker 2: But one of the things we got some basil recently.

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Speaker 2: Even though the bugs are eating it, it's getting big.

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Speaker 2: Basil probably is one of my favorite like herbs, like

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Speaker 2: Gardening for Help, A Regular Dose of Gardening by Richard Thompson.

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Speaker 2: And this is intensive gardening. This is what again Caroline

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Speaker 2: combines physical activity with social interaction, exposure to nature and sunlight.

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Speaker 2: And I will say there's something like satisfying and pulling

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Speaker 2: the essential beginnings. Right then they say build a network,

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