1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: M here with Tinnil Towns, and when you walked in again, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I see you all the time, but 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I had to kind of check myself and go in 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: human form. I don't think i've seen you in a 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: long time. In a long time. I know, it feels 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: like I see you two, which is awesome, but which 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: is awesome, but still it's probably probably not as awesome 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: as we think it is. It's much better in person. 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I was, and I want to go back and catch 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: up on some stuff, but I was listening to your 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: song because we're playing I'm playing it on a lot 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: of stuff, you know, as soon as you put out something, 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm constantly featuring on countdowns or or national shows. And 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: I was listening to Villain, Well, you're always gonna have 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: me as a supporter forever. It doesn't matter what's going 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: on when it's going on, like me and you together forever. 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: But um Villain and me. And then I was reading 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: what you were saying about it, and you say, because 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: you've written some extremely personal songs. You were saying that 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: this is the most personal song that you've ever written. 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: How so and why right now? Okay? So, favorite way 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: to write songs is to tell stories. Like That's why 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: I love songwriting. It's like I get to be the storyteller, 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: and I like the bird's eye view. I like, you know, 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: talking about the girl and somebody's daughter or the jersey 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: on the wall. It's like to be able to process 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: something from that third person perspectives my favorite way to 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: do it. But this song is not third person. This 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: is like about me and the thoughts in my head 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: and the things I tell myself and um, I think 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: this past you know, a couple of years of being 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: mostly home by myself. It's like much more of a 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: reflective state of having the space and time and to go, okay, 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I'll here, I am with my thoughts. I'm I think 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm feeling forced to like process them and write about 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: it is something that's healing to me. So that's why 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I did is a scary thing. But this feels like 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: the first time I've really kind of done that with 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the song. With this song, it feels like you're talking 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: to yourself about how you don't feel you're good enough. Yes, 41 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: this is that is very true, and what capacity do 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: you feel you're not And maybe you've you know, had 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: a conversation or you've had some growth that you realize 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: you're wrong. I often do that with myself, where I 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: feel a certain way and it's kind of like, well, 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: my voices are telling me I stuck at this, But 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: if I go ten thousand feet up look down on it, 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: I can actually see some data it would prove otherwise, 49 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: it would prove otherwise. So where do you feel like 50 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: when you wrote this song that you were lacking? You know, 51 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: I think it was coming off the high of putting 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: out my first record and feeling like, Wow, this is 53 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: so exciting and now what and going a little bit 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: of the pressure behind that, and also just like catching 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: up to processing things that I think I felt, honestly 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways since childhood and in high school. 57 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: It's like things that I mean, I can sing somewhere 58 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: and get off stage and just be like, oh my gosh, 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: that was terrible, Like I just feel rotten about it, 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Or you know, I'll be in the middle of an 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: interview and like spinning in my head about things that 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: I should be saying differently, or you know, come back 63 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: and look in the mirror and be like, why am 64 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: I wearing this this? I don't feel good in this 65 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: or whatever the thing is. It's like, I think we 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: all have voices. That's just what it means to be human. 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: But acknowledging them is something that's been helpful to me 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: and going like, oh, I think this is good to 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: talk about, and it makes it like less of a 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: shame thing or a scary thing, and it's like, right, 71 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: like this is normal. We all do this, And like 72 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: you're saying, it's like to be able to kind of 73 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: zoom out and go oh okay, So proof says otherwise 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: people I love and trust to say otherwise, maybe I'm 75 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: just like really hard on myself. I've just always been 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of hard on myself for me and I was 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: mean just so hard and still am to a point, 78 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: but I've realized now I'm not as productive if I'm 79 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: really hard on myself. Yeah, you're so right. You can't 80 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: get to the heart of the thing because you're distracted 81 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: by the polls of like not feeling good enough. You 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: can't you can't be in that dark space. And like, 83 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: I think you're most authentic you know self. But I 84 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: also think that what you learn and carry with you 85 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: in those darkest corners is like part of the fuel too. 86 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: So I think getting in some of those dark corners 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: to have have inspired me to to grow into a 88 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: better person in performer, and they definitely affect each other 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: at the same time. So it's taken it's taken me 90 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: hating myself to realize, Okay, I'm hating myself because I 91 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: don't think I'm good enough. But when I hate myself, 92 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: actually get worse at it. So and analytically thinking, even 93 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: if I hate myself, I'm not gonna hate myself because 94 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: it makes me worse then I already was. So I've 95 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: kind of logically talked myself out of being a logical 96 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: That's amazing because I do that and I beat myself 97 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: up all the time for a second, and you get 98 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: to do it less and less as you get older 99 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and see how much it actually doesn't affect to appreciate that. 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I would I would crush myself after a 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: bad radio show or a bad you know, stand up set, 102 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: or or you know, right, it's spent a few nights writing, 103 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, one of my books. I'll be like, just 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: over three nights and it sucked, and I'd read it 105 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: back and I would just be so ashamed of it. 106 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: But then I realized that shame what said and actually 107 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna be less productive because of the shame, and I 108 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: would go, Okay, listen, I just gonna move on right, 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: because it's affecting everything. There's a whole umbrella of just 110 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: darkness over the top of me that I cannot lift off. 111 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: And so when I heard your song, like I related 112 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: to it in that way because I was like, I've 113 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: often felt that way. But the end is you do 114 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: it enough times, you go one way or the other, 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and most most times it goes to you figure it 116 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: out and you grow from it, which seems like that's 117 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Well, thank you. I'm definitely working at it. 118 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: That's encouraging to hear, and it's true. There's like there's 119 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: a point where it's kind of just accepting that it's 120 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: there and like saying, oh, big part of it, this 121 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: is a cloud because I don't like to see the clouds. 122 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I would much rather everything just be real, 123 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: shiny and smiley, and that's that's my favorite way to be. 124 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, if I if I acknowledge this, 125 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: then maybe I can be logical about it, because I 126 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: don't think you really can until you do So the 127 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: two big things for me where therapy because I finally 128 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: got somebody that didn't have an investment into my life, 129 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: meaning whatever they told me, they didn't have to deal 130 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: with me at three o'clock on a Thursday, and then 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: five o'clock on the front. They just told me what 132 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: they felt right or wrong. Somebody who's completely removed and 133 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: can just like a whole new window into your life. Yeah, 134 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: They're only bias was that I'm paying them right, you know, 135 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that bias. I'd rather have that 136 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: bias than the bias of like my wife at times 137 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: where I know she she's telling me things based on 138 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: she just to live with me, right, and she loves you, 139 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: and she does and she wants to like caught on me. 140 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: Sometimes it makes me feel good, and I don't always 141 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: that's not always the best. So one is therapy and 142 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: two is perspective. Uh, because when stuff sucks, you'd see 143 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: things different, not only for you but for other people. Yes, 144 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: that's true. Like it's not just the cloud on one 145 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: part of you, like it's on it's just exists kind of, 146 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: it follows you around. It's just on all of it. 147 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: And then when some but he else is going through it, Like, 148 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: for example, you're younger than I am, You're going through 149 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: this situation. I'm like, oh, yeah, I've been here. Let 150 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: me hear. Here's the thing. I also love that a 151 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: lot of self hate grew out of that. Yeah, anyway, 152 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: that's what I thought. That's a long conversation about when 153 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: I heard that song. Thank you for the conversation. I 154 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: really I like talking about it. It It scares me to 155 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: talk about this song, like it's like, oh, we're putting 156 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: this out. This means I'm gonna have conversations about this. Um. 157 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: But it's also a conversation that everybody wants to have 158 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: and everybody wants to hear because everybody's having those same 159 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: feelings they are. It's good. I think it feels really 160 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: really good hearing people like on Instagram or something in 161 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the last few days that have messaged about this songs 162 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: like Okay, right, this is I'm really happy to get 163 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: to talk about this. And I really loved that even 164 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: that this piece of the conversation, Mike, do you have 165 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the song right now? Um? Here is some of Villain 166 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: and Me from Danil Towns. Chad be hero to me 167 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: to learn me there's a villain in me. Also, sonically 168 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: this is so my vibe. So this is so I mean, 169 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: this is everything I love about music. You have the 170 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: sound I love, you have a message I love, and 171 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: it's just complete vulnerability here. So you don't need to 172 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: know that stand in your biggest fan. How's it been 173 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: out with brothers Osborne? So fun? Yes, it's just it's 174 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: felt just every show is like, Wow, I'm so thankful 175 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: to be back doing this. I just missed it so much. 176 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: And I couldn't have like dreamed of a cooler tour 177 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: to get to come back around to live music with 178 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: with these guys, it's been awesome. I love watching their 179 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: show every and also good dudes. Yeah, they're just really 180 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: wonderful humans that you can just talk about anything with. 181 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: And um, I love just seeing the way like they 182 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: work on something in sound check every day, like they're 183 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: just constantly crafting different pieces and parts of the show, 184 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: like it's always growing, and I think that's really amazing. 185 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I love watching that. I often tell the story about 186 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: you and I doing shows together and you're my favorite 187 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: and I would watch, but I would also get really 188 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: bummed out because you would make the crowd cry and 189 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: I was and I had to come on and do 190 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: jokes and it was it was it was like the 191 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: best worst support ever because you were the best, but 192 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: to do comedy it was the worst. Like I have 193 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: to dig them out of a hole just to get 194 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: back to even I know, I realized you. I think 195 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: you're right. It kind of like set set it back. 196 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: But of course that's just the best balance because then 197 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: this is the whole. It's not supposed to be balanced. 198 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't a day of balance, but it was. You 199 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: were just the best, and people would leave and go. 200 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: I think Danille was so good and I was like 201 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: I did a show too that I would say, you 202 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: know what, I did a show too, and I loved 203 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: those shows. That was so fun, and like your audience 204 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: is just the best. They're very generous. They're so generous 205 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: and they like listen and it's really awesome. You are 206 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: the only someone that asked me. I was doing an 207 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: interview with someone and they were like, hey, who comes 208 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: in to play your show? And you've seen everybody, like 209 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: who affects you? I think that was a question something 210 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: like that, and you came up because well, to be 211 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: affected now because I've been around and seeing everybody and everything. 212 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: I said, there's only ever been one person that's made 213 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: me cry while playing in the studio when I feel 214 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: like I'm in my force field, and it was you. Wow, 215 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: And I've heard I've heard you play, you know realistically 216 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: thirty times. That's true. But you're the only person to 217 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: ever come into my radio studio where I am bulletproof 218 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: and make me cry while performing. I have to imagine 219 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: that when you do that because you're doing your headlining shows, 220 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: which is really cool. It's just like when I got married, 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: my DJ who was DJ the wedding, put it okay 222 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: tissue in my pocket. He goes, you may need this 223 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: when you say your vowels. I was like, I feel 224 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: been up with everybody that's going into your show, Like 225 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: I want to stand out front of the theater. I 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: don't want to have a bunch. I'm like, you're gonna 227 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: have some real highs too, But I'm telling you she's 228 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: gonna take you on a journey. I want to put 229 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: the tanil tanil uh tissues. That's what you need, that's 230 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: what you need to sell before the show. We've junked 231 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: about that as some kind of cleanex and tissues, but 232 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: you also lift people up so much at the same time. Well, 233 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: thank you, thank god. I really don't know what you're doing. 234 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: This is what I should mean. You make people feel, 235 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: which is the best compliment that I could possibly give you, 236 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: is that you make people feel with your music. Are 237 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: we good with that one? Yeah? Okay, thank you. Um, 238 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: that's so cool. You were named New Female Artists of 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: the Year at the a c M. That's when I 240 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: saw that. I was like, it's like watching your little 241 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: sister like graduate high school. You're like, it's not college, 242 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: and I know she graduate college. She just go to 243 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: high school. I thought that was that was awesome, right, 244 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: It was really cool when you get that. I mean, yeah, 245 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: that was wild. That was in the heart of heart 246 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: of Zoom days and Keith Surban's face popped up on 247 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: the screen and that was just insane. So cool to 248 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: see some of the other stuff. And obviously I don't 249 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: live in Canada. Our show is on in a lot 250 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: of Canadian markets at nine in the morning a little 251 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: bit too, so we kind of have a presence ish there. Yes, 252 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: I have lots of family. He's like Bobby Bones. That's 253 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: that's not true. That's true, but again, as I watch 254 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: you develop as not just an artist, but someone who 255 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: is starting to get the critical acclaim. You're now winning 256 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: the big awards in Canada, like you do you want to? 257 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: First of all, the CC mays will talking about did 258 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: you want to Juno? Yes? I did. That's just crazy 259 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: to say that sentence. But yeah, it's just weird so cool. 260 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: Um yeah, to feel like what's a June? I know, 261 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: Juno is the big one? What what? What is it? 262 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Like the Graham? Right? Yeah, it's like all genres of music, 263 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: so um yeah too have been recognized, especially at home. 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know. That was definitely a fear 265 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: of just kind of picking up and coming to Nashville's 266 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: like what's what Canada are going to kind of think 267 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: of this? And what do they think of Do they 268 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: think of you moving down as like somebody who's like 269 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: leaving or someone who's trying to expand. I think I 270 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: hope the later, you know. I think that's the love 271 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: that I've felt since going back, ever since I moved here. 272 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: Every time I go back, I just feel like people 273 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: are so excited and so welcoming and awesome, and honestly 274 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: I'm really excited for the headlining tour up there this year. 275 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: This is my first time getting to do that and um, 276 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: first time ever trying to sell tickets to my own show. 277 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: And yes, yes exactly that. Let me mention this what 278 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about. It Tail's kicking off her very first 279 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: headlining tour. Um she announced dates for her Villain Me tour, 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: which will launch in January. It's also your first solo 281 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: trek in the United States, so doing Canada and the States? 282 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: Are you looking at because I would do this. You 283 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: go and look and see how many tickets are sold 284 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: all the time. I do it every day, So glad 285 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm not alone. I would obsess about it. I definitely 286 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: will like check in with my manager to be like, hey, 287 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: do we get ticket accounts? But I'm also pretty good 288 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: about just being like okay, Like I wouldn say I'm 289 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: checking every day, but I'm I'm definitely thinking about it. 290 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: The worst is theaters when you can look in the dots. 291 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: I like, how these blue dots not selling in this section? 292 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: But that's where you want to get Yes, I know, 293 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm getting to like it's like a 294 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: game looking at the chart and being like I get 295 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: to do this, like I get to look at a 296 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: seating chart for a show that we put on sale 297 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: for me. You show, yeah, some v show. It's really 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: weird and really cool. Let me encourage you guys to 299 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: go and and watch to Neil because again, I'll list 300 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: some of the American dates here, Cambridge, Massachusetts in January nine, 301 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: in New York on the twentie, Philadelphia on the twenty one, 302 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Nashville on the twenty seventh, Charlotte on Chicago, Indie, Detroit, 303 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: and Phoenix all the way through February. So you know, 304 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: we are pretty much in all these cities. So I 305 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: hope you guys go and you know you watched to 306 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: Neil and you go to a show because it really 307 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: really is great. It's just again it'll make you feel, 308 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: you know. Speaking of feeling, I always wonder when you 309 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: do a work tape and you record it on your phone, 310 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: or you do a demo and you know, at times 311 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: it's called demo itis where you really don't want to 312 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: change the demo because it was so perfect. I would 313 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: just think that all your songs are perfect as like 314 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: really really bar acoustic songs. When you have to add 315 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: now you have to add a band and instruments when 316 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: you make Is that a tough transition for you to go? 317 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to spice this up 318 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: that much, because it's perfect how we wrote it. To 319 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: be honest, it's kind of the absolute opposite of that. 320 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: Like every time I turn in a song, I my 321 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: immediate responses, Oh, I'm just gonna, like I turn in 322 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: like five or six songs at a time, because I 323 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: never want like one song to get more attention. Like 324 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm gonna send this group in and 325 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: then maybe and I never feel like any of them 326 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: are any good, and then it just takes me a 327 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: long time. That's what happened with Villain and me. I 328 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: just sent that song in. I was like, that feels really, 329 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, dangerously personal, and I'm just gonna put it 330 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: in the mix. And then it came back and was like, oh, wow, 331 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: everyone's really pumped about this song. And then I'd listened 332 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: to it and it just takes me a while to 333 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of grow into how I feel about a song. Um, 334 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: And that one definitely grew on me the more I 335 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: lived with it, and I had just sang like a 336 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: quick guitar vocal at my house. I've learned logic this 337 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: past year, so that's fun. Um. I. So I put 338 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: it down and sent it to my co writer and 339 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: producer and and then it came time to produce a 340 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: song and I was like, okay, so let's, you know, 341 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: figure out a day to get some tracking done, get 342 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: some real drums in, and um, I'll go in and 343 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: sing it. And everything about this song was a wrestle. 344 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Like I recorded the vocals two different times, and both 345 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: times it was like so it just emotionally tormenting, and 346 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: the result was just not right. I was like, this 347 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: isn't raw, this isn't this isn't the right thing. So 348 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: we trashed it both times and went back to the 349 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: vocal that I did in my room. This is just 350 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: like that's what you hear. Yeah, and the guitar, it 351 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: just they went together. It was like, I can't, this 352 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: is just how it's supposed to exist. So we built 353 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: everything around that. But um, it was like six months 354 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: of working on this song of like going now yes, no, 355 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: and then going back to the original work tape. Six 356 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: months of getting it right more than trashing it. Sometimes 357 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: you have to as not the right path that's right. 358 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: And then, and I'm so glad because I don't think 359 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I would have had the like feeling of arrival or 360 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: piece when it was finished, because I'd have been like, oh, 361 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: we probably should have tried to get the vocal differently 362 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: or done this, so I wouldn't change anything about it. 363 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was quite a ride to get to it. 364 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Do you ever have a song and maybe this was 365 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: one of those instances where it's so personal You're like, 366 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: I like the song, but I don't know if really 367 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: I want to share this. Oh, definitely had those feelings 368 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: with this one, for sure. I don't know if I've 369 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: actually had that before. Because although there's like a piece 370 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: of every song that feels personal, like it's kind of 371 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: like it's traveling through me somehow. So there's pieces of 372 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: me and any song that I'm a part of writing, 373 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: but completely centered in it this way that this one 374 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: was different. You do vision boards? Yeah? Still? And what 375 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: what for? What? Life? Career all of it? Yeah? Mostly 376 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: at this point, it's mostly career, you know, I think 377 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: that's where my my heart is is anchored right now. 378 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: But I've got things on there for building all kinds 379 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: of stuff in my life I'm looking at I've taken 380 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: a lot of cool things off I took. I remember 381 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: I literally had your the Bobby Bones show on there 382 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: for a long time on my vision board. But that 383 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: happened like as soon as I heard the show was 384 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: really cool to get to take it off and put 385 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: it in my pile of things that happened. But yeah, 386 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: I've got burned it. Yeah, you know, I've got a 387 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: tour of us on there. Now. We're in a bandwagon, 388 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: which is really exciting. Yes, So it's kind of like 389 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: between the passenger van, the spurner van and the bus. 390 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: So we're in like it kind of looks like a 391 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: y it's a hybrid, looks like a box truck and 392 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: you need a CDL drive that or can any anybody 393 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: can drive it? And it's like, yeah, it's just like 394 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: a box truck with bunks in it. And who drives. 395 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: We have a driver. His name is Sean. Oh that's good, 396 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: you have a driver. You're not you're not driving anymore? No, 397 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: thank goodness, No, I'm not driving. I would not want 398 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: to drive. This thing is too big. But if you 399 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: needed to, if I had to, I guess I could 400 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: like drive forward in a in a straight, safe motion. Yeah. 401 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: When I was again looking through your videos, I was 402 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: just making sure I didn't miss anything, and I was 403 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: scrolling through and I don't think I saw your guitar 404 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: that had the writing on it? Are you? Are you 405 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: still playing that? So I have started a new guitar 406 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: now because we're onto the new chapter of music, so 407 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: I still play that one. But I I actually found 408 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: this Martin guitar that I loved, and I wanted it 409 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: to be like Guitar two point oh, to be darker 410 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: so that I could paint in light colors to be 411 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the inverse of the first one. So I had the 412 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: wood stained a dark color, and then I went and 413 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: got some paint pins at Joanne's and started drawing like 414 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: a sunrise to kind of represent the new horizon and 415 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: bringing things to the light of day. And um, now 416 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm just going to kind of tattoo. Does that go? 417 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Because we're going to keep journeying to the next record 418 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: in pieces, So I'm just gonna tattoo the guitar as 419 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: we go. You know what's going to be great about 420 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: the other guitar. I'm assuming you're keeping it a yeah. 421 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: Whenever the country means to call it to show it off. 422 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: That's going to be a really great piece. Thanks. Yeah, 423 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: um you if I'm right, because I looked and I 424 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: sometimes I'm wrong. Did you write all these songs? Okay? 425 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: Is that? How important is that to you? Really important? 426 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean I love getting to listen to songs too, 427 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: that so many of my hero like there's so many 428 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: ridiculous songwriters in Nashville and songs that are made. I 429 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't ever like shut the door to a song if 430 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: it really spoke to me. Um, but it's really important 431 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: for me. I love to be I love that part 432 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: of it. I just love to write it. It feels 433 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: like you're talking earlier about perspective and how that's what 434 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: gives me perspective. It like puts me in some hot 435 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: air balloon. I'm just like floating above a situation and 436 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I can figure out how I feel about it and 437 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: how to understand something. So I mean, on a personal level, 438 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: it's just really healing and I love to be able 439 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: to tell stories. There are a couple of songs of 440 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: yours that I'm I'm drawn to that I just think 441 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: about and I'll play you one that I made a 442 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: note here when I meet my maker, which again I 443 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: love slow and sad. It's my thank you, Bobby, it's 444 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: my jam. And you wrote this by yourself. So I'm 445 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna play some of this first and have a couple 446 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: of things I want to say. Make cool. Yeah, we'll 447 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: walk on heavens above the clouds, simples lean starts. I'll 448 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: ask him all my questions. He'll answer with a smile 449 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for So when you write a song 450 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: by yourself like this, how long does it take? This 451 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: song was probably like, I don't know, fifteen minutes because 452 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: it's either going to be really fast or really slow. 453 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: When you're by yourself, you kind of know you have 454 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: to deal with other peoples bull crap, or you just 455 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: don't know at all, and you're like, I don't know, 456 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: let me keep tinkering with it. So this one kind 457 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: of fell out of you. It did. Yeah, it felt 458 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: like it felt like a really spiritual moment for me. 459 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: I remember I wrote the song a long time ago 460 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: when I first moved to Nashville, UM and I was 461 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: thinking about my great grandmother, my Mary will Let, and 462 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: UM was missing her. She. I got to know my 463 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: great grandmother for twenty years in my life, and um 464 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: she passed and we just all words, is so so 465 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: devastated and missing I was missing her, and I was 466 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: just kind of sitting at this coffee table. I was 467 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: renting this place and um in Burry Hill and sat down. 468 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: I can't come home from my right that day, and 469 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: I was just sitting there and made some dinner and 470 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: picked up a pen and very much felt like a 471 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: vessel moment when you pick up a pen. Are you 472 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: picking up a pen and paper with no guitar and 473 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: you're writing like a poem? Or are you you have 474 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: the guitar in your lap and you're kind of doing 475 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: what we think of as like the old school way, 476 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: like ding ding ding, write it down? Like what's the 477 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: songwriting process for you when you're by yourself. When I'm 478 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: by myself, it's it's a paper and a pen usually 479 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: and uh and the guitar in my hands for sure, 480 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the guitar will give me 481 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: the structure of what I want the lines to fit 482 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: inside of. So I have a really hard time even 483 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: when I write with other people, I have a hard 484 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: time doing we're separate from music, like they feed each 485 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: other to me, will you ever go in and be like, Okay, 486 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: I have this like four chord situation and then kind 487 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: of build a story around the kind of music you're feeling. Yes, 488 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: I do think. I think the music sets a lot 489 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: of the mood. It's like, what does this? If I 490 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: don't know what I want to write about, then I'll 491 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: let the music kind of tell me because it might 492 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: sound like something that makes me feel something I want 493 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: to talk about it. Or if I'm like, hey, I 494 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: want to write about this, then I try to like 495 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: find a piece of music that feels like that so 496 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: that they kind of have to build together. To me, 497 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: the other song that I think of when I think 498 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: of you is again you may have to correct me 499 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: going from memory here, but it's somebody's daughter. But it's 500 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: the version with the girl Scout, right, that's somebody's daughter, right, 501 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: Yes it is, And again correct me if I'm wrong. 502 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: But a lot of these girl Scouts were homeless. And 503 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: so how did how did you get with that girl 504 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: Scout troupe? Why? Like what what motivated you to do that? 505 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: And then how was that experience for you? Well? I 506 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: heard about girl Scouts of Middle Tennessee Troops six thousand 507 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: and there's a troop six thousand in New York that 508 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: UM I was reading about and learning too, and it's like, wow, 509 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: what a concept like you think of, you know, Girl 510 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: Scouts and you buy their cookies and it's so awesome. 511 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: And it's like there's a specific troop that meets inside 512 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: of you know, women's and children's shelters in Nashville, and 513 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: UM they meet every Thursday, and it's this cool thing 514 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: that they the structure that they get to turn to 515 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: for people who are, you know, without permanent housing, and 516 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: it just it really moved me learning about what they 517 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: were doing. And UM and we were talking with with 518 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: the people who are running Girl Scouts and they're talking 519 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: about how they're earning their different badges just like every 520 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: other Girl Scouts troop, and about their musician badge, and 521 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let's do something together we can 522 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: like so they came in, they got to record in 523 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: the studio and we got them like stumping and clapping 524 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: and then taught them the chorus. They sang it with 525 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: me and and then we got to like hand out 526 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: there their musician badge at the end of it was 527 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: such an emotional day. I just those girls have so 528 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: much courage it's insane. Do you have that, Mike, by 529 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: any chance? Did she was somebody's bitchfriend? Left? Go back 530 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: when she was somebody's sister, count change with the lemonadest, 531 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: probably somebody's high school first kissing, dancing and the gym 532 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: with kids. I'll talk about someday's plans. Now, this slader 533 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: turned green and a handle covered out. I wonder if 534 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: she got lost. For God, somebody sad, somebody's did, somebody's done. 535 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: Just awesome. I felt the same hearing that now the 536 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: first time, thank you that was I'll never forget that 537 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: day as long as I live. It was that was 538 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: really special, and how great that you get to hand 539 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: out the badges and it's like the perfect ending to 540 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: that day. Doing that with them, never do it. It's 541 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: what are you listening to right now? Let's see And 542 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be new, because I definitely have 543 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: the days of the week when I'm listening to some 544 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: new stuff trying to But then I have the stuff 545 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: that are my old faithfuls that I know I'm gonna 546 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: put on John Mayer Continuum. I know I'm going to 547 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: put on Counting Crows, like I have my music that 548 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: when it's time for me to not worry about music 549 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: but just accept the music that I love, that I 550 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: go to Yeah, okay, okay, thank you. That's a good prerequisite. 551 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: But I have been putting on the Flaming Red Patty 552 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: Griffin before, like, well, I'm doing my makeup before I 553 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: get already. At much as I love that record so much. Um, 554 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: I'm always listening to Lori McKenna um the Lorraine record 555 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: in my truck. I have six CD players and like 556 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: four of them are hers, so it's pretty much just 557 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: cycles through when i'm driving. Um, the headline there is 558 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: she still used CD player. They're in there. It's just 559 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't know what to tell you, 560 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: but it's in there. Um. I really loved this, the 561 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: sash Alex Loan record that came out. She's I'm friends 562 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: with her. She's so good and it's hard for me 563 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: to separate because, you know, in her husband I played 564 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: off with her husband to Henry Nice and so she's 565 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: so good. And when she when she had to change 566 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: her name, I know, I know, I went to say, 567 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: just Sasha a Loan, but then I was like, what's happening. 568 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: There's another artist. I mean I had to go through 569 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: a similar thing. So we were, yeah, we were instagramming 570 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: about that. Of was like, oh the good old, the 571 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: good old immigration things of name changes. So yeah, I 572 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: haven't met her in person yet, but I really want to, 573 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: you guy, Yeah, I really we need to. We need 574 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: to connect to go for coffee and hang. She's also 575 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have you finish that that your music here, 576 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: but she's also so like legitimately emo. Like she she 577 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: was playing pickleball with with Caitlin and she was like pickleball, 578 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: CA like come over because her Caitlin her friends and 579 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: she shows up. She was I don't own tennis shoes. 580 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I love it, And I was like you are. So 581 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: she's like that's legit. Me really happy to hear that. 582 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: I love that. What else you got musically? Um? Oh 583 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: the Patrick Drowning record. I love that. I've been listening 584 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: to that a bunch. Um Rabel do you know any 585 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: of Rabeles music? Okay, So we met this past year. 586 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Rabel like with like w R A B E L 587 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: A band or a person. It's a person name. He's 588 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: amazing and we we got connected through um our c 589 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: A and we started writing during um COVID and and 590 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: we written. We probably wrote like fifteen or sixteen songs together, 591 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and then in person in l A a few months ago. 592 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: And his music is just amazing. His whole his whole 593 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: record that he's put out is just so emotional and 594 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: beautiful and um, one of the songs we wrote together 595 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: is the is on the record, which is such a 596 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: cool thing to me. Um, but yeah, I love it. 597 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: His music is wonderful. Mike, did you find any Rabel? 598 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: How do you spell it again? W are w r A? Yeah? 599 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: Let me hear a little Rabel here, and I'm probably 600 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna like him. You're gonna like how you're describing it. 601 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: It's beautiful music. I think he's awesome. Let's see, is 602 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: he showing up or what song? What Pale Blue Dogs? 603 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: The one I wrote with them, but we don't have 604 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: to Lisit wasn't a pale blue at it. I'm already 605 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: in okay. Yeah, gave me with a minor at the beginning. 606 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's sad. It's so sad and awesome, funny, 607 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: as small as thing. You can open up a big 608 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: trap door. And you questioned everything I was at the 609 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: grocery store. I saw somebody smiling in life. I started 610 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: thinking about their life. I wonder what happiness feels like. 611 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if I felt it before. I wonder if 612 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: love comes on to list here. Even more, I wonder 613 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: if we ever get answers to the letters that were 614 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: said in God. I don't wonder why we're spinning on 615 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: this pale blue do now? I get it? Yeah? So 616 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: you wrote this lap I did. It's really good. Thanks. 617 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: I think I can also hear you singing that. Do 618 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: you ever get in a right with someone? And this 619 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: isn't This is a again, an emotionally vulnerable song. It 620 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be personal to be vulnerable to. How 621 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: you're feeling doesn't be what you've experienced. It could be 622 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: how you're feeling. Do you ever go, oh, they're being 623 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: really vulnerable to the holy crap, there be I gotta 624 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: like change. I gotta be that way now too. I 625 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: gotta match them. Yes, I have to match their energy. 626 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: And maybe I wasn't prepared one way or the other 627 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: to match that energy when I came in the room. True. Also, 628 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: sometimes though, I think it's about just holding the door 629 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: for their energy. Okay, tell me more of that. I 630 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: think it can be like whether I'm the one who's 631 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: really opening up and there's a co writer who's just 632 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: asking the right questions, who's like just kind of listening 633 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: in a way and is like catching things that you're 634 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: saying that you didn't really mean as a line. But 635 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: then you kind of are just helping them interpret the 636 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: of what they're being vulnerable about or what I'm being 637 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: vulnerable about either way. But sometimes I think it's like 638 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: you just hold the door open. That's the job. I 639 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: would want to just say about to stop, and I'm 640 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna tell you when it's good totally, and then it 641 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: will just put it all together and it will be great. 642 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: So here's what I'm gonna say. If you're listening to 643 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: us now. First of all, I'm gonna tell you to 644 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: go follow to Neil at Tanil Towns. I'm then going 645 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: to tell you that you should stream her song Villain 646 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and Me because I love it and if you've gotten 647 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: this far in the podcast, you probably love it too. True. 648 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: She has her very first headlining tour, which is kicking 649 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: off right after the beginning of the year. All the 650 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: dates are up on our website to Neil Towns dot com. 651 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned all the cities, but I want you to 652 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: go and watch a show and the Eliminade stand. It's 653 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: a year old, yeah, but it still exists, and as 654 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: I love it, I do. I love it so obviously 655 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I'm happy to see you in 656 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: person again. Were we talking about on micro off Mike 657 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: in person and on social media? I think we at 658 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: the very start we're rolling that. I think, well we did. 659 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: We're rolling talking about your really cool trees. But maybe 660 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: we're rolling that. I don't think that part. Well, I 661 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: didn't buy fancy tree. They are so beautiful they ma 662 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: it sound like I went special. I mean they are 663 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: lined up so symmetrically, and they are like the most 664 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: beautiful red trees I've ever seen the Hallmark movie. Yes, exactly, Mike, 665 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. I will say. They may 666 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: have been strategically lined up with the person who built 667 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: the property, but I didn't like buy fancy trees. They're 668 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: normal trees. Trees. Yeah, So Daniel, thank you, Thank you 669 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: are a plus for sure. And then I hope people 670 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: go and check out the new stuff and go see 671 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: you on tour. Thank you, thanks for having me. I 672 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: love getting to talk to you. Blue dots are also 673 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: the dots on the concert sites when you're going check 674 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: your Yeah, we should write that same title. Nobody would 675 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: get it though. I log on it for him to 676 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: see if anyone bought tickets, but they didn't, So yeah, 677 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: just catch tell me what's gonna catch these? Yeah, I'm 678 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: on a row all right, to know towns. You guys 679 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: go follow her. There we go.