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Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast Robert Felix with us. Robert, of course,

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Speaker 1: a former architect, became interested in the ice age cycle back,

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Speaker 1: and then he spent the next eight and a half

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Speaker 1: years full time researching and writing about the coming ice age.

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Speaker 1: Wrote a book called Not By Fire But by Ice.

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Speaker 1: That was my first introduction to Robert, and later on

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Speaker 1: he wrote Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps. But Robert, I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I cannot remember older weather in a

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Speaker 1: very long time. It's unbelievable. There's been some real stuff

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Speaker 1: going on, George. It's you know, I got an emailed,

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Speaker 1: a couple of emails today. One one guy says it's

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Speaker 1: snowing in Brownsville, Texas. That's a reader by, you know, Andy,

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Speaker 1: And he said, that's twice now so far this winter,

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Speaker 1: and that's a rare event. Happening twice is very extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: And then I got another email from somebody this afternoon

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Speaker 1: that it was twenty six degrees and snowing in Houston. Hi. Word, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not your imagination. There's there's stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: It would be interesting to see how many people how

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Speaker 1: many of your listeners tonight or are seeing snow tonight

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Speaker 1: or yeah, when we open up the phone lines next hour,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. You know, when I talked to

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Speaker 1: you a couple of weeks ago, I was in St.

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Speaker 1: Louis and it got down to minus seven degrees. That's cold.

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Speaker 1: That is cold. Well to night it's going to be doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean today, I guess that this this winter weather

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Speaker 1: is shut down the interstates in Louisiana and closed roads

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Speaker 1: in Kentucky and oh when it closed the runways airport

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Speaker 1: runways in Texas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. And we're

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Speaker 1: talking far down in the south, and and and and

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Speaker 1: they're having ice coated bridges in Mississippi and in in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and they're calling for two inches of snow in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a uh it plays into what I've

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Speaker 1: been saying, you know, I've been saying for for twenty

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Speaker 1: years and headed into an ice age, and so far

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Speaker 1: I have not had to change my story. And tell us,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Robert, the definition of an ice age,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people have the misnomer that it's

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Speaker 1: constantly cold seven you know, twelve months out of the year.

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Speaker 1: That's not necessarily the case, isn't absolutely not, No, you're right, George.

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Speaker 1: Now they don't call it a cold age. They call

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Speaker 1: it an ice age. Uh So, during during the last

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Speaker 1: ice age, most of Canada was covered by one to

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Speaker 1: two miles of ice. Go straight up, I mean, but

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Speaker 1: we're talking a lot of ice. Seattle was covered by

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Speaker 1: three quarters of a mile of ice. And yet if

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Speaker 1: you went a hundred and fifty miles south of Seattle,

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Speaker 1: it was only about seven degrees colder than it is

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Speaker 1: right now. So what we're talking about is Yes, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about more snow and more snow, which which ends

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Speaker 1: up accumulating. If it gets deep enough, it becomes ice.

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Speaker 1: But south of the ice sheets, life goes on. It

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Speaker 1: may be a little cooler, but I think during the

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Speaker 1: last ice age Florida was only like three degrees colder

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Speaker 1: than it is right now. The equatorial rainforest belt it

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Speaker 1: stayed almost the same. So not everybody has to worry.

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Speaker 1: To me, the biggest problem will be food. Now why

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Speaker 1: do you think we are headed for an ice age? Well,

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Speaker 1: mainly because there's a cycle to ice ages that it

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Speaker 1: shows up in the geologic record going back for millions,

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Speaker 1: if not billions of years um and there's no reason

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Speaker 1: to think that cycle isn't going to repeat. Actually, there's

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Speaker 1: several little cycles. There's one called the solar retrograde cycle,

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Speaker 1: where the the Sun has its own little tiny orbit

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Speaker 1: and and it goes into a retrograde motion about every

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Speaker 1: about every hundred eighty years, and the Earth gets cooler.

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Speaker 1: Then there's the little ice age cycle that is about

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Speaker 1: every three hundred and sixty years when the sun spots

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Speaker 1: slow down or or almost stop, and and so that's

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Speaker 1: another cycle. Then there's one called the milenka Its cycle,

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Speaker 1: which we've known about since at least nineteen seventies. But

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Speaker 1: that ice ages return of approximately every eleven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred years, based on something called precession of the equinoxes.

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Speaker 1: And then there's a huge cycle. It's it's called orbital stretch.

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Speaker 1: But our orbit of the Earth's orbit around the Sun

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Speaker 1: is not a perfect circle. It's slightly elliptical, and and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't remain elliptical. It goes from being close to

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Speaker 1: a circle to an elliptical and back to close to circle.

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Speaker 1: That takes about a hundred and five thousand years. And

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Speaker 1: guess what, we have an ice age about every hundred

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Speaker 1: five thousand years. The problem that I see today is

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Speaker 1: that every single one of those cycles is now due

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Speaker 1: to hit and I don't I don't see anything that

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Speaker 1: humans can do to stop it. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: causing it, and I don't think we can stop it.

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Speaker 1: What about global warming? Where does that scheme of things

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Speaker 1: I think global I used to say I thought global

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Speaker 1: warming was a hoax. I am beginting more and more

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Speaker 1: to think it's it's a fraud. I just the things

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Speaker 1: that we hear about global warming. Well, well, one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I say that, you know, is that the

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Speaker 1: world was getting was getting cooler in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: and and then it started to warm up. But then

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Speaker 1: we had this pause, you know, that began in about

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Speaker 1: where the warming stopped. So the way we used to

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Speaker 1: keep track of that is, as near as I can tell,

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Speaker 1: is that we kept track of temperatures on land. Well,

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Speaker 1: now we're including the the ocean temperatures in that, which

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Speaker 1: we didn't used to do. And ocean temperatures, I agree,

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Speaker 1: ocean temperatures have been going up, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's caused by humans. I think it's caused by underwater

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Speaker 1: volcanic activity. So so if if you take if you

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Speaker 1: take the oceans out of the equation, temperatures on land

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Speaker 1: have been going down. And you know, land is pretty

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Speaker 1: much where where we live. So that's the one that

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Speaker 1: I look at is that I just don't think we're

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Speaker 1: getting the true figures. Are ice age is cyclical? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: their cyclical. I mean, at uh eleven thousand, five hundred

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Speaker 1: years ago, we had a we entered into a short

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Speaker 1: ice age called the Younger dry As when something like

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the world's larger mammals when extinct. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the mammals that weighed over a hundred pounds,

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Speaker 1: so that the short faced bare when extinct, the mammoth

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Speaker 1: when extinct, the masted on when extinct, the saber tooth

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Speaker 1: tiger and E. Glipted on. There's so many different animals

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Speaker 1: that went extinct. So that was about eleven thousand, five

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Speaker 1: hundred years ago. Then about twenty three thousand years ago

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Speaker 1: we had a we entered into an ice age, and

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Speaker 1: again that was an extinction. I don't think of the

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Speaker 1: name the European forest elephant. I think when extinct. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember the others. And thirty three thousand years ago

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Speaker 1: we had we went into an ice age and and

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Speaker 1: that's when the studies I've read, that's when the Neanderthals

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Speaker 1: went extinct. So yeah, that that cycle just shows up

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Speaker 1: in the record. It's remarkable at how gradual it occurs.

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Speaker 1: And then it's here. It just it doesn't like you

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Speaker 1: don't wake up and it's here. It's not one of

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Speaker 1: those things, is it. Well, it can be faster, do

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Speaker 1: you think, I you know, there's I just read an

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Speaker 1: article of course, I remember that that wooly mammoth that

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Speaker 1: was found frozen with still chewing something. Yes, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: happened fast. Now there's you know the UH we used

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Speaker 1: to think ice ages began very slowly. But in n

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Speaker 1: there was UH project called Grip Greenland Ice Core Project

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Speaker 1: where they dilled drilled deep cores into the ice in

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Speaker 1: central Greenland. They went down as much as two miles

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Speaker 1: deep and pulled the cores up so that they could

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Speaker 1: look at ice that had formed as much as two

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Speaker 1: d and fifty thou years ago. And they determined that

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Speaker 1: every ice age in the last quarter million years, every

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Speaker 1: single ice age, began in less than twenty years. And

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Speaker 1: by beginning in ice less than twenty years, it went

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Speaker 1: from temperatures and climate as warm as today into full

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Speaker 1: fledged glacial severity in less than twenty years. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it can't happen very very now. Again, though I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying we're going to be covered with ice. It's not

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Speaker 1: like it's not like these giant ice seats come grinding

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Speaker 1: out of the north. It's it's it's called a snow blitz,

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Speaker 1: and we just get heavier and heavier snows. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen sooner than later, don't you think I do?

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Speaker 1: I? I I think we're we're Do you know when I

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Speaker 1: when I look at the various various cycles, and of

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Speaker 1: course when I look at the sun spots cycle, the

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Speaker 1: little ice age cycle. I look at right now sun spots. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're now in something like the Dalton minimum of a

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty years ago, where sun spots are the

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Speaker 1: lowest they have been in more than a hundred years.

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Speaker 1: And and that in the past has correlated with these

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Speaker 1: these little ice ages. If if that keeps going, then

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