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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: We are officially in the second month already of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Hello, donks, it is Monday, February first, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Can you believe it? Where did January go? I?

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Speaker 2: Uh wow, Hi, this is Morning Combat and this is

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Speaker 2: My name is Luke Thomas. I' from CBA sports man

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Speaker 2: Also from CBO Sports, it is Brian Campbell High bec.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think it's blow the belt with Brian

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Speaker 1: chob What are you doing here? My name is the

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Speaker 1: big Beije guy, Brian Campbell. Thank you. I'm very artistic

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Speaker 1: and Luke, January was as fleeting as your youthful looks. Dude,

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Speaker 1: your refusal to dye your hair, but that's a personal issue.

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Speaker 2: Look, okay, I'd rather everything just go. I want the

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Speaker 2: because I want to look forward BC, not back, you

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Speaker 2: How much snow did you get over the weekend?

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Speaker 2: And also I want to keep up with this because

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Speaker 1: this wacky diet, this this that my wife put me on.

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Speaker 2: Right? What a freaking yeah? Well, I have stuck so

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Speaker 1: Luke, Accountable partners is the hallmark of a successful.

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Speaker 2: Marriage and a weight loss program, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, look as we talk about a lot, the standards

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Speaker 2: I think that's totally right. I think that's totally he knows.

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Speaker 2: that him HALFI, Al Dosanjos and Michael Bisping to me,

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Speaker 2: Should keep going. I can't tell you how many emails

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Speaker 2: time and saying, you know, Frankie can make one thirty five,

428
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Speaker 2: no problem, he just doesn't want to do it. Well.

429
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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen him go down

430
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Speaker 2: to one thirty five sooner than he did BC, but

431
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 2: better late than never, And he did get a winning,

432
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 2: hard fought w in his in his forced foray there

433
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Speaker 2: Now he takes on Corey Sandhagen, who BC had a

434
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Speaker 2: setback against al Jamaine Sterling, but like Sterling, is considered

435
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Speaker 2: to be one of those young guns who's the future

436
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Speaker 2: of this division. Tell me in your mind, what is

437
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 2: at stake in this co main event?

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I can generically say, you know, a

439
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Speaker 1: title shot. If Sanagan wins here, I don't see how

440
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 1: you can't put him in the title shot to face

441
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Speaker 1: the winner of Payotra Yan and al Jamaine Sterling. If

442
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,719
Speaker 1: it was Sterling that beat Yan, and yeah, I mean

443
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: it would be great storyline with a rematch. Considering look,

444
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 1: let's be honest, san Haagan is so much better than

445
00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 1: the performance he put out against Sterling. Obviously, double double,

446
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: huge kudos here to Sterling to be able to finish

447
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: a guy that great. But what we saw from Sanhagen

448
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: in the correction fight after that, Luke showed you exactly

449
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: what he can do. Spinning head kick, knockout, I mean,

450
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: just command distance, so unique, There's so many incredible parts

451
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 1: about him. This is a great fight for him as

452
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: a final step before that title opportunity because he's in

453
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Speaker 1: there with a B side who can carry the brand,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, can carry the Marquis and Franky Edgar. I mean, look,

455
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Speaker 1: this is this fight's certainly, you know, way more attractive

456
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Speaker 1: than the main event for as good as the main

457
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 1: event is, and this could be you know, a pay

458
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Speaker 1: per view co Maine or a Fight Night main event

459
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Speaker 1: any day of the week. Edgar obviously still good enough

460
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Speaker 1: where this win would mean a lot. I mean, at

461
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Speaker 1: thirty nine, I can't believe Frankie Edgar is in this spot.

462
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe the constant evolution. All the great things

463
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: we just said about over him right can almost double

464
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: that for Edgar at this point. But for Edgar, I mean,

465
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a big opportunity. I mean, look, a

466
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Speaker 1: win over a guy this good and this highly ranked

467
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Speaker 1: in San Haagan. If Edgar gets this win, I don't know, Luke,

468
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: what do you do with him? Do you fast track

469
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: him to the title fight because of his name? Most

470
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: likely given the Dana White game plan In a lot

471
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Speaker 1: of ways, you can also you know TJ. Dillashaw is

472
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be lingering depending on what UFC wants to

473
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Speaker 1: do with his brand in his return. Do you give

474
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Speaker 1: him a setup fight against an older name or do

475
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: you plug him right in? But outside of title implications,

476
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: as great as we celebrated Frankie Edgar for beating Pedro

477
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: Munio's and rallying and looking so strong and doing it

478
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: in a new weight class and moving down in weight

479
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Speaker 1: so late in your career, which normally screams desperation only

480
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Speaker 1: in this point, As you mentioned, it's sort of like

481
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Speaker 1: a new found debate should he have been here all along, Luke,

482
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Speaker 1: A win over Sanagan for Edgar would be one of

483
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Speaker 1: the greatest wins of his entire career. I mean, this

484
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Speaker 1: is that much sort of a you know, potentially at

485
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Speaker 1: stake to him, and yes, another title opportunity, and I'm

486
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Speaker 1: not even sure if anybody has ever attempted to compete

487
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Speaker 1: for titles in three divisions. Obviously, no one's become a

488
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Speaker 1: three division champion, but if he gets a chance to,

489
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, try to win one in a third weight class,

490
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Speaker 1: it's you know, that's just another tip to the cap

491
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Speaker 1: in his legendary career. But Luke, as much as I

492
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Speaker 1: don't like his chances in the style matchup against Sanagan,

493
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Speaker 1: there is so much at stake to just add to

494
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Speaker 1: the legend of the great FRANKI Edgar.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd have to look up b see the

496
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Speaker 2: actual numbers in the rankings at the time that they happen.

497
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Speaker 2: But you have to look at something here. Cory Sanagen

498
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Speaker 2: is sitting at two in the rankings right whether he

499
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: should or shouldn't be, he just is I wonder we

500
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 2: talked about Connor McGregor and folks oversold it because there

501
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: has been several fighters who have done it, including Jared Kennoneer.

502
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Speaker 2: Where you gotta have, you know, a KO across three divisions,

503
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Speaker 2: but who has wins over top five opponents in three

504
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Speaker 2: weight classes? To the point, who has wins over top

505
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: three opponents in three weight classes? And I wonder because

506
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: he had the k over Mendez at featherweight and obviously

507
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Speaker 2: he was the champion one hundred and fifty five pounds.

508
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Speaker 2: You go and beat sand Haagen. Is Frankiegger gonna have

509
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Speaker 2: wins if he does that over top three ranked opponents

510
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: in three weight classes over the course of what nearly

511
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Speaker 2: fifteen year not quite, but you have twelve year or

512
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: something like that. UFC. No, he what did you make

513
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: his UFC debut? He made it all the way back

514
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: in let's see, back in two thousand and seven. So

515
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Speaker 2: you're talking about a fourteen year run and you can

516
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Speaker 2: have wins over top three opponents in three different weight

517
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Speaker 2: classes potentially, I gotta verify this, dude, that's fucking incredible.

518
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Speaker 2: That is incredible. If he gets that, that is an

519
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: outrageous achievement. If he's able to put that together, and

520
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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I think it's a little

521
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Speaker 2: bit closer than folks might imagine. For the following reason.

522
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Speaker 2: Sanhagen's takedown defense is historically not great, which is to say,

523
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Speaker 2: when he's moving and flowing sometimes you can really take

524
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Speaker 2: advantage of that, and he gets up pretty easily. And

525
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, the Sterling fight, notwithstanding, doesn't tend to have

526
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: submission issues against folks who are not, like, you know,

527
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: just crazy good at that kind of a thing. And

528
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: you know, Edgar's more of a take your time, beats

529
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: you over to the rounds rather than being an immediate

530
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Speaker 2: guillotine or your naked choke threats. So you know, I

531
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: think san Jagan should be favorite to win, and probably will.

532
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that on Friday, But just to sort

533
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: of put it up there, it's a little bit more

534
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: interesting than folks realize. So for Sandagen, you get this

535
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: sort of win over a legend. It elevates your name

536
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But I don't

537
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: think folks are realizing. Man, Frankie Edgar's on the cusp

538
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: of doing something here, very very special, the likes of

539
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 2: which I don't know we've seen all that often or

540
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: if at all, and certainly won't for a very long time.

541
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Speaker 2: Now he's got to beat Sanagen to do it, But

542
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: damn dude, that would be pretty incredible.

543
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Speaker 1: Look like, like, let's actually get into it for a second.

544
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he meets Sanhagen under any circumstance, it's

545
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Speaker 1: not controversial, right not probably not better than the two

546
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Speaker 1: wins over BJ Penn to win a championship obviously, you know,

547
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: just getting a draw against Gray Mater and in that

548
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: type of fight is is one of the all time

549
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: great performances. But would you put this win right kind

550
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Speaker 1: of between those two?

551
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Speaker 2: I mean what you know?

552
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got other great wins obviously, Frankie's done

553
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: it over so many air and you know, I mean,

554
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: I love the one over Kup Swanson at that time.

555
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: I love the Daan win over Faber just for name value.

556
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: If he mets number two rank Corey Sanagan's fresh off

557
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: of spinning back kick ko Marlon mo Reis, who outside

558
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: of the hiccup against Sterling, has looks sensational and is

559
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: being groomed for the next title opportunity, which is why

560
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: he's in there with a legend like this, I'm gonna

561
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: put it right behind the BJ peenwin.

562
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Speaker 2: Ooh, that's it. Well, what about like beating you know,

563
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, who were his title defenses against?

564
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: He's thirty nine, He's thirty nine, moving down two weight

565
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: divisions from where he won a championship. I mean, it's yeah,

566
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: it's it's insane.

567
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: It's really I'm looking at I'm looking at some of

568
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: these rankings here Live BC and some places have Mendez

569
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: at three, some have him at four. Yeah, so just

570
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: to sort of be clear about that, it would kind

571
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: of depend on where you look, but like, you know,

572
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: at a bare minimum, at a bare minimum, let's talk

573
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: about the absolute minimum. He have three where he would

574
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: have wins over opponents in the top five in three

575
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: way classes. That is dude, that is ridiculous. That to

576
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: be that good that long into your career and you know,

577
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: and you can even say, even if Edgar gets the win,

578
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: what are you gonna say, this is the very best Edgar? No, like,

579
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: he's got all the miles. The game has advanced so much.

580
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: But to be that future proof with your game that

581
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: you'd be able to do that, Wow, dude, you gotta

582
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: tip your fucking hat to that. That would be can

583
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I tipped.

584
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Speaker 1: My can I tip my bag to Edgar as you

585
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: look up a dome he be Charles olivera to knocked

586
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: out Mendez as you said he stopped I Rodriguez. I mean, dude,

587
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: this is a freaking insane resume that we you know, me,

588
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: the guy who's always making tears in the in the

589
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: goat rankings and putting people at the all time table

590
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: and all that shit that we do in our basements

591
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to kill time. You know, I don't know if we

592
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: even come close to give him Franky Edgar the love

593
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: and that he deserves to look because to be able

594
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Speaker 1: to sustain this at an age, I mean, it's great.

595
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be San Hagan. No, but either certainly,

596
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, raises the stakes in the interest level to watchin.

597
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: And also it's just cool to have a UFC event

598
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: where you've got two guys like Overream forty Edgar thirty nine.

599
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: And in the case of Edgar, he hasn't changed his

600
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: style much. I mean, he has developed over time, but

601
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: he didn't reinvent himself. He just reinvented his weight category.

602
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: Right.

603
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: He decided I'm gonna reinvent my size as a I'm

604
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: using the word reinvent here a little bit loosely, but

605
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: you get the idea. I'm gonna I'm gonna rejigger my

606
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: career by dropping down multiple weight classes over time. In

607
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: the case of Overream, he went up from light heavyweight

608
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: over That was a long time ago. But the point is, yes,

609
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier. You look at his k one days,

610
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: very much an inside fighter for the most part, now

611
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: very much an outside fighter. Thinking guys, both guys are

612
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: so smart and so talented, and when they were in

613
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: their prime, you know very far ahead of the game

614
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: that they've been able to stay this long, to the

615
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: point where it's like, is it very plausible that Frankieger

616
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: could beat Corey Sanhagen. Maybe you don't think it's likely,

617
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: but it's certainly quite possible. Is it plausible that Overeim

618
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: could beat Volkov? Again? Maybe you don't think it's likely.

619
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: The oddsmakers have him as a slight underdog, but it's

620
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: certainly as possible. And I think of the two, probably

621
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: one of them might win. Dude, take my hat off

622
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: to those guys, man, these old guys who are and

623
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: we just saw we wonder Boy Thompson against Jeff Neil.

624
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: Some of these old guys, man, they got future proof games.

625
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: They're smart, they're clever, they know how to stay on top,

626
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: they stay in shape, they know what their strengths are,

627
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: they know what their weaknesses are. Would have liked to

628
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: have seen Frankie make that move a little bit earlier,

629
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: but still the fact that he made it at all

630
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: and is doing this well tells you. These guys man,

631
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: they are not like their peers. They have a certain

632
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: degree of an understanding about themselves and the game to

633
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: stay relevant. And it's really kind of exciting to see.

634
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, how's that?

635
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Like you and me BC, Like you and me, we

636
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: reinvented ourselves through this podcast. You know what I'm saying this.

637
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Look, this has been, you know, an island of resuscitation

638
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: for you.

639
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that's quite right. But my

640
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Speaker 2: coronero was hardly on life support before this. But what

641
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Speaker 2: I would say is.

642
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Speaker 1: All right, what about your your your Q rating with

643
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: with with Joe public, your likability?

644
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: Oh I don't care. No, that's not what curating is.

645
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Qating is visibility and like how how like well known all.

646
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, you're dominated your p's and q's. But Luke,

647
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: you're good enough, you're smart enough, and god darn it,

648
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: people like you now. I love it. It's great.

649
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't. You didn't throw like

650
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: this podcast did not throw me a life preserver. I

651
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: was doing just fine. I just want to change things

652
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: up because I think reinvention is necessary to BC. You

653
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: gotta go from you gotta go from what you're comfortable in.

654
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: You gotta I'm like, I'm like Tiger Wood's a swing.

655
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you might be winning majors, but you

656
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: gotta switch it up all the time. That's what I

657
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: was doing.

658
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: And what am I? Rachel yucateuct?

659
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's that's a reference. I should know who

660
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Speaker 2: was that?

661
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Speaker 1: Uh? Of all of his many mistresses, it was the

662
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Speaker 1: one I believe that he made believe he was in

663
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Speaker 1: love to her the most, so or made it bend,

664
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Speaker 1: you know?

665
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: All right? No, yeah, you are just like me. You

666
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: are also reinventing yourself.

667
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say that, you know, like Vince McMahon,

668
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: who the victor? Can can you know? Retell history his

669
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: own way?

670
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: Luke?

671
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'll do just fine rewriting your biography.

672
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: However, all right, right, you can write what you want,

673
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: all right, but now you're gonna need to say what

674
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: the truth is here though, Let's go to point number three.

675
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: Holy shit, this sucked. Let's just be absolutely honest about it.

676
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant fought Caleb Truax and we talked about this. God,

677
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: there's so much and everyone's like, oh, luke, you want

678
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: to bash boxing. I actually take no pleasure in it.

679
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: In fact, it'd be better if boxing was a lot

680
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: better than it is. And it's not like, you know,

681
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: I even hate saying the word boxing should be better.

682
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: It's the architecture and then the incentive structure that comes

683
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: from it that makes it what it is. I mean,

684
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: that's who is to blame here essentially, right, So just

685
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: sort of pointing out that two guys with you know,

686
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: a twelve ounce gloves on obeying a certain rule set

687
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: is somehow by definition corrupted. Is not it? It's the way

688
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: that things are built around it. But to the point

689
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant, he dominated the shit out of Caleb Truax,

690
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: which he should have done, considering TRUEX was a plus

691
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred fucking underdog and Now there was a

692
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: point BC where apparently Plant, the far better of the

693
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: two at super middleweight, broke his hand early, or at

694
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: least damaged it early, and so he was a little

695
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: bit conservative. But what ended up happening was true X

696
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: could almost do nothing. Almost. He had a couple of

697
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: decent shots here or there, especially when Plant was against

698
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: the ropes, but in general this was a schooling and

699
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: you never saw Plant take it to the second or

700
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: third gear. Again, maybe for reasons that were understandable, but dude,

701
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: this sucked. And I don't know what to say about

702
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: It's all just ask you, what the hell did you

703
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: learn from this fight?

704
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: We didn't learn good things, and I think that's the problem.

705
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: So let's get let's put a pup a couple facts

706
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: on the table here. Fact number one, it was a

707
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: dominant performance for Caleb Plant. So you know, there's only

708
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: so much you can from a critical standpoint that you

709
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: can you know, shot on him for that, you know,

710
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: punch numbers wise, you know, in terms of damage he took.

711
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: He dominated, even with an injured left hand. So tip

712
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: of the cap to that, I got other problems. One

713
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: more plus for Caleb Plant. This was a mandatory his

714
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: second in a row, and he chose to get those

715
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: two back to back so that he can open himself

716
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: up for the next year to chase unifications and big names.

717
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: So in having to play boxing's you know, twisted games

718
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: in order to keep your belts, he's doing the right thing.

719
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: But my issues are more on a larger scale. First

720
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: of all, as a Saturday night Fox primetime slot main

721
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: event like this just doesn't cut it. I get the

722
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: point of it. The point of it was to push

723
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant continually to the mainstream. A guy who can

724
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: really box, a guy who's got an incredible backstory of overcoming,

725
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: a guy who can talk. He's got a good look.

726
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: All that stuff you already know, but you know, no

727
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: good undercard to pair with it. And when you do

728
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: that and the main event isn't main event worthy and

729
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: it turns into a dud, it's very easy to call

730
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: this a shitfest and a stink show, and that's what

731
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: it became. But a great deal of the blame for

732
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: that stink fest and shit show I think kinda has

733
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: to go back to Caleb Plant. Not again that he

734
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: didn't dominate, but on a larger macro scale, what was

735
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: this fight supposed to be in audition to to allure

736
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Canelo Alvarez to get him to cross the waters. He's

737
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: got a two fight deal with his own and Eddie Hearn.

738
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: It's a mandatory against jolderum up next. Then he wants

739
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: to unify against Billy Joe Saunders in May. Then Canelo

740
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: will be looking for a new suitor for the fall,

741
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: who has the only super middleweight belt he wouldn't have

742
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: if he beats Billy Joe Saunders Caleb Plant. So you

743
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: really need to not only get the public to start

744
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: banging the drum for you, but have big red old

745
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: Saoul sitting on the TV on Saturday night going that

746
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: guy's impressive and I don't want to hear any sort

747
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: of things. Well, maybe he played it safe on purpose

748
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: to not look like a threat to Canelo. Canelo wants threats.

749
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Canelo wants to make the biggest fights possible. This is

750
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: why I don't trash. At the end of the day,

751
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: he's looking to do what he should be doing in

752
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: the power position in boxing, which is unified belts take

753
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: on difficult guys. Doesn't really care who you're promoted by

754
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: or what network you on. So it was up to

755
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant to look spectacular, to look the very best

756
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: he ever has and on top of that, if he

757
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: was limited by the left hand, fine, it is double, triple,

758
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: quadruple Caleb Plant's responsibility to grab the microphone afterwards, whether

759
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: you think this ww bullshit is needed or not in boxing,

760
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: look into the camera and say, Canelo, I got it

761
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: for you. Come and get some of this. I'm the

762
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: only guy who can beat you. I'm the only guy

763
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: with fast hands and fast feet who can do this

764
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: to you, even if you don't believe he can. Luke,

765
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: you need to put that message out there, not the

766
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: humble message of I'll fight who's ever out there, whoever

767
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: has a belt, I'll fight him. No, we know that already.

768
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: You have to look into the screen and get the

769
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: world or get America here in a primetime slot to say, Okay,

770
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: maybe that fight Will wasn't as exciting, but he did dominate,

771
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: and good God, did he show me some personality afterwards

772
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: He just called out Canelo. He didn't do any of that, Luke.

773
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, it was a

774
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: wompom in a lot of ways. It was an impressive

775
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: title defense. It was moving the change. He's still unbeaten.

776
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: He'll recover from the hand injury. But if you're Canelo,

777
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: or if you're Joe Public in America looking for somebody

778
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: for Canelo to fight to give you a heart on,

779
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: you're flashed Luke. And that's that's that's the damn truth.

780
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: And I hate saying that because I'm a I'm Caleb

781
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Plant's drum guy. I'm the guy telling you this guy's

782
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: way better than you think. He didn't really show it.

783
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: He didn't really show all the tools. He played it safe.

784
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: When he when he was boxing. I mean, you could

785
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: tell he was a And you heard Sean Porter, who

786
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: was the commentator for it, you could hear him talking

787
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: about it. He pretty like what if I had to

788
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: describe Kayleb Plants style, He's very much a slick guy, right.

789
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: He's he's leaning off to the side, he's setting traps,

790
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: and you move one way, he goes to the other

791
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: and he drills you for like he's clever. He's very

792
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: very clever boxer is what I would say, technical, funda mental,

793
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: all of that. But he's a clever boxer. And so

794
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: for those reasons, if his hand's not injured, he's in

795
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: the right zone and he keeps developing. I did not

796
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: see a guy who could beat Canelo Alvarez, but I

797
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: also saw a guy who, at twenty eight, maybe in

798
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: a couple of years, might be ready to if he

799
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: can really work on his craft and elevate it beyond

800
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: beating the Caleb Truexes of the world is dominant as

801
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: certainly as it was. Here's the problem for me, and

802
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: sort of a separate issue. You're right, like, this is

803
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: why I told you this, dude, This is why these

804
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: If you're a boxer in the position of Caleb true Ax, yes,

805
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: you have an incentive to call out the Canelo Alvarez

806
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: of the world because if you get it could be

807
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: life changing money. Maybe you might even win, but certainly

808
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: it does a lot for your career. But you also

809
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: have a lot of incentive to not say anything. You

810
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: can just keep on cruising the way that you have

811
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: been by virtue of the way matchmaking goes. And in

812
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: the case of this, mandatories and whatever else. I like

813
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: the fighters like Canelo who take on risks by going

814
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: up weight classes and just saying who's the best? Line

815
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: them the fuck up and I'm gonna march him down.

816
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I love that because he has no real incentive to

817
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: necessarily do that. Same with Tyson Fury, who are the

818
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: toughest sobs in this way, class line them up and

819
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go what roll right through them and making

820
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: a public lobbying campaign for it. That's the kind of

821
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: thing you need from boxing right now. You need guys

822
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: who go outside of the architecture and incentive structure to

823
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: not make it work for you, but to push it

824
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: aside so you can make the fights that you want

825
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: to see. This is one thing that really bothers me

826
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: about these idea of mandatories. You like the idea that

827
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: if someone is unheralded and just wins enough that they

828
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: have their right to get a title shot, you don't

829
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: want promoters getting in their way. I really appreciate that.

830
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. But the problem with the BC,

831
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 2: and I think you might agree, is if you've got

832
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: the WBA and the IBF and the WBC and the WBO,

833
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: then a series of smaller ones that you know, IBO

834
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: and NABF and everything else, you begin to get so

835
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: many mandatories, so many and now there's only four major ones.

836
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: I understand, but even with the four This becomes enough

837
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: of a problem where you're giving shots two fighters who, yes,

838
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: are somewhat unheralded that maybe you know otherwise wouldn't get

839
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: them fined. You're recognizing achievement, but you're also making fights

840
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: that I mean, they're anything but mandatory. This was not

841
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: a fight that needed to get made, and we have

842
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: all of this bullshit that we have to go through

843
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: to get to the fights that we eventually want to see.

844
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. The system is set up for exactly

845
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: what you said, to give you an MMA reference. For

846
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: the John Fitches of the world who keep winning but

847
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: aren't marketable and maybe the promoter doesn't love them, they're

848
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: still gonna get a title shot. The problem is boxing

849
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: is corrupt, is bullshit, and it is in so many

850
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: of these alphabet bodies. You end up seeing guys rank

851
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: who have no business being there. I love Caleb Druax.

852
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: He didn't deserve to be in this fight. Was either

853
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: guy last Friday or Monday's episode, whatever episode it was

854
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: telling you, I'm kind of excited for the Caleb bull

855
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday, I was why I like the two fighters.

856
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: We had not a boxing fight to kick off the

857
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: new year. Let's get it on. There's potential to build

858
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the bridge and get to the Canelo fight. None of

859
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: that happens. So when none of that happens, you sort

860
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: of look around as we're doing and going, well, I

861
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: love true acts, but he's thirty seven and coming off

862
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: a majority decision win over a forty one year old

863
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: guy you never heard of. Probably didn't deserve to be

864
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: in there. No, he didn't, And Luke, I don't know

865
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: the future of the matchmaking here, but I see a

866
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Fox commercial for former champion Anthony Durell, who's on the

867
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: tail end of his career but still his named value.

868
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Fun guy finding a guy you never heard of in

869
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: a Fox main event? Are we slow playing Caleb Plant

870
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: against Anthony Durell? The reality is this should have been

871
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Caleb Planted against Anthony Durell, right, and then we should

872
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: have had David Benavidez at ringside, you know what I mean,

873
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: talking crap into the microphone. There's ways you can get

874
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: people excited rather than going I hope maybe Plant can

875
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: fight Canelo one day. I just don't think we're here

876
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: right now. The platform wasn't used effectively. A lot of

877
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: issues here when a guy like me who friggin loves boxing,

878
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: trying to talk to all these MMA guys saying, hey,

879
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: you might really like Kayleb Plant. You should check it out.

880
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: They do check it out. They watch somebody crap their

881
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: pants on a larger scale.

882
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: And again, what it is. I think if Caleb Plant

883
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: gets pushed b see, which I don't think Darrell would

884
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: necessarily do, but let's imagine X opponent pushes k the Plant, Dude,

885
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: I think you'd get something really special. I do. He

886
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: didn't jump off the page as the guy to beat

887
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: Canelo right now, but you can tell when you watch him, Dude,

888
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: he's he's smart, he's slick, and he's got tricks for days,

889
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: and you know he's obviously a sensational athlete. Do you

890
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: see the trick he did.

891
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: He's a dog.

892
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: He did the I think it's called like the flag.

893
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: I forget exactly what's called. When you can take a

894
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: post and then grab it to the side and then

895
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: make your body straight U your parallel to the ground. Dude,

896
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: you got to be strong as fuck to do that,

897
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: especially at a super middleweight weight class. So he he's special.

898
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: This was not, and this was not a showcase of that.

899
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: The thing that just gets me is, you know, we're

900
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: talking about are they gonna make Joshua versus Fury and

901
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: they have to do they have to pull all these

902
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: tricks to get all of this ship out of the

903
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: way to make it happen. It's like, this has really

904
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: really made me rethink do we want the Ali Act

905
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: in MMA? I want what is best for the fighters,

906
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: but I don't want this in MMA. I mean, this

907
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: would be a disaster, uh for MMA. And so I'm

908
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: really rethinking having sanctioning bodies dilute the sport to the

909
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: point where we have multiple titles, where we have fights

910
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: as main events that now are should not be a

911
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: main event. That fight should not have been made BC.

912
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: There was no point to that fucking fight whatsoever. And

913
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: so you get to this point You're like, why are

914
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: we doing this shit. Let's put on the fights that

915
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: people really want to pay money to see. And the

916
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: architecture of boxing as it is currently constructed, it creates

917
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: an incentive structure and bureaucracy frankly that gets in the

918
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: way and it's not fair to the fighters. It's not

919
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: fair of the fans.

920
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: No, it's not fair to the fans. Especially if you're

921
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: a fan of both sports like me, and obviously is

922
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: a totally different set up in Dana White and the

923
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: UFC have so much more control for a lot of

924
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: different reasons.

925
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: Of course, it's not equivalent.

926
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: You always get the bang there. We'd like to even

927
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: see a medium play set up for the bang on

928
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: the box side, and when it's unnecessarily slowed down, like again,

929
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: Plant Bena Vitez is one of the best frickin' fights

930
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: you can have in the sport right now. Seriously, we

931
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: may see that this faults. Maybe some good news, but

932
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: it just seems an insanely long of a build to

933
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: get there.

934
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, a great boxing main event. I think you

935
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: would agree, BC, it can't be topped. It's maybe the

936
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: best thing in all of sports when you know your

937
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: rounds four and it's up, in round seven, it's down,

938
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: and then there's a rally in around twelve. There's nothing

939
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: like that, not even a five round MMA main event.

940
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: And I would go to my grave arguing that it's

941
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: just everything else. Go Lee, you know, it's it's hard

942
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: to attract a new fan base doing what they're doing.

943
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's put that aside. Let's go to

944
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: a different kind of boxing. Point number four, BC, and

945
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: you talk to her. So I'm very curious to get

946
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: your perspective on this page. Van Zant will finally make

947
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: her bare Knuckle debut. I don't know what the fuck

948
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 2: she's doing, but this is the thing she's doing. Now.

949
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: This will be on Friday, I believe the fifth not

950
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: on Saturday pay per view through BKFC, so go look

951
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: that up. But the point being is she is making

952
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: her first foray into a different kind of combat sport. Now.

953
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: I kind of always thought BC that her talent lied

954
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: and mixing it all up in the frenetic pace. BKFC

955
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: has a frenetic pace. That part is true, But also

956
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: you the jury still lot on whether it slashes your

957
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: face up a little bit. What are your expectations for Friday?

958
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, I do expect a lot of people to care

959
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: about it. So I'll give you know, BKFC a lot

960
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: of credit on that, and I'll even give page credit

961
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: because that's sort of her intention here, right. She hasn't

962
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: really hid from it. A lot of her attention is

963
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: to make money to get out of the UFC payment structure,

964
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: which she didn't feel was a value on her star

965
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: value and the things that she brought to the table

966
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: from the outside in rather than that UFC created for

967
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: so in that regard, and we said this, you know,

968
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: initially after I interviewed her, I will give her a

969
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: tip to the cap and say, you want to put

970
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: your own career in your own hands and your own

971
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: foot forward. Aimen to that. I though, just like you

972
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: and everyone else, just don't see this as the logical step.

973
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: Now we don't necessarily know what she's being paid. It

974
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: just may be so life changing that this is so

975
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: important for her. That's fine. But when I hear her

976
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: say the other side of the coin and talk about

977
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: I just want to prove to people how tough I

978
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: am paid, you got nothing to prove to us, Like

979
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: we've seen you. First of all, you're a professional mixed

980
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: martial artists. You're tough as hell. You went in there

981
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: against you know, ROSANAMA units and got bloodied and beaten

982
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 1: up and kept coming and didn't quit. You're tough as hell.

983
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to prove this to us. So there's

984
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, ill logic here. If if

985
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: you care about her and you're on the outside looking in. Now,

986
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: what does this mean for Friday. I think it means

987
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on here, Luke to look good,

988
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: to win one thousand percent. I mean, she's the face

989
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: of this franchise. BKFC has, you know, smoking mirrored it

990
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: to get our interests. Some people like it. Some people

991
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: are like, all right, I'll like it if you give

992
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: me a name. Right. The Paull fight with the goat

993
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: was weird, but we were into the build. Some of these,

994
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, he'll billy looking guys in the undercards excite you.

995
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: I just don't see with Paige's skill set why she's

996
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: in this. She's fighting Britton Hart. We don't know a

997
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: lot about her. She's got some bare knuckle fights under

998
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: her belt. I hope, for Page's sake, Luke, that she's

999
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: been able to make the proper transition in practice at

1000
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: att and she's talking about having Thiago Alvis, who has

1001
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: experienced in the bare knuckle realm, you know, helping her

1002
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: train for this again. It just doesn't seem right or

1003
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But it's going to be

1004
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: up to her to come out and live up to

1005
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: the reason why you're going to tune into this right,

1006
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 1: you're paying the money to see this. If she can win,

1007
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: if she can get cut open and hurt, She's got

1008
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on her, Luke, to do something

1009
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: that I don't think is necessary and that might not

1010
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: be within her own skill set. Luke, I mean, what

1011
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: is this going to give her a long term if

1012
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: her goals are still to come back to mma, which

1013
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: it sounds as if it is. You know, is it

1014
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: really just all about the brand and the star at

1015
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: this point for her in terms of building that up?

1016
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she really this is to me it's crossroads,

1017
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: but not in the way that is usually framed. Usually

1018
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: crossroads is like there'll be no success after this, or

1019
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: to be a substantial decline if she doesn't win. I

1020
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: don't mean that way. I mean, even if she wins,

1021
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: she has a real choice to make about who are

1022
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: you going to be? Are you gonna be somebody who

1023
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: wins at a reasonably high level and gets promoter favorability

1024
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: to booi that right? Or are you're gonna be somebody

1025
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: who's kind of a curiosity who wins and loses, but

1026
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: then outside of the cage has to resort to increasingly

1027
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: dramatic things to gather and garner attention. So you're still

1028
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: living in both worlds. But the question is to what

1029
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: extent I think this fight is going to be instructive

1030
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: in a future if I were advising her. And again

1031
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: we don't know what BKFC paid. My hunches that they

1032
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: probably paid a lot and they probably expect a big

1033
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: return for those reasons. So we'll see how things go.

1034
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: But to me, her best way to win BC, as

1035
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned, is when she mixes things up, you know,

1036
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: when she's out there doing jump switch kicks and then

1037
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: someone falls and then she jumps on the back and

1038
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, MMA is much better suited

1039
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: for her. I thought she was a dead ringer for

1040
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: the kind of fighter that Scott Koker would have, you know,

1041
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: dollar signs and his eyeballs for when she was available,

1042
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: and maybe they did make her offer. I don't know

1043
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: exactly how that went, but you know, he can do

1044
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that I'm talking about, which is

1045
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: have her over there and eventually I think she might

1046
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: lose in belt or just the same, but you know,

1047
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: give her just the kind of right matchmaking to bring

1048
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: her along, keep her buoyed, and use her existing popularity

1049
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: in that space. I think if you're gonna go to BKFC,

1050
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's not that losing is catastrophic, but it

1051
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: just pushes you down a path where you're like, Okay, well,

1052
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: if I can't win here and then I can't win here,

1053
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: how seriously should I take this? Who am I? Really?

1054
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Can I do things outside the cage or outside the

1055
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: ring to booy my you to increase my visibility and

1056
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: then I'll mix and match that way. To me, this

1057
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: is going to be a real test of to what

1058
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: extent is she actually going to be an athlete who

1059
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: competes at a reasonably high level, or she's gonna be

1060
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: some kind of an attraction who's an attraction in a

1061
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: sort of totalizing way. That is that to me is

1062
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: the stakes here. On Friday, I.

1063
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: Will say she has said the right things in certain regards,

1064
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: like to be able to say, look, I have opportunities

1065
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: outside of the cage that I've created for myself, but

1066
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to and this was really the theme

1067
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: of the interview I had with her, if you want

1068
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: to check it out on YouTube. I'm not looking to

1069
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: use fighting to go down those roads. Those things the

1070
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: acting the appearance is all that. Those are extra those

1071
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: are ways to make money, those are ways to you know,

1072
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: show her creativity in her her art, if you will, right,

1073
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I respect that. I respect that that

1074
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: she's using this to to to kind of double down

1075
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and say, no, I am a real fighter, and you're

1076
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: gonna see that. So, uh, you know, at some point

1077
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: we all have to take a step back of all

1078
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: of our suspicions that this is the horrible idea, and

1079
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, and see what happens on Friday, and that's

1080
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. But uh, you know, look, even

1081
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at her just from a fighting perspective,

1082
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: do you think any of this is gonna help her

1083
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: MMA game long term? But this, this isn't going to

1084
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: round out her striking. It's really a whole different animal

1085
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways.

1086
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: No. No, I mean, I don't know how much it hurts. Listen,

1087
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: if it's a one off, I don't really know how

1088
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: much it hurts. But but and you know, listen, she

1089
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: was never gonna beat the Amanda he bosses of the world.

1090
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: That was never gonna happen. But she did beat who

1091
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: was it Ostovich? You know, with a bit of a

1092
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: back and forth kind of a fight in terms of

1093
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: not just how competitive it was, but the different phases

1094
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: of the MMA game. To me, that's really where she'll thrive.

1095
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: I think you need a promoter who understands that and

1096
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: can use that. And the fans, I think we'll pay

1097
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: money for that. I think they would be interested or

1098
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: at least, you know, pay attention dollars. Right, how much

1099
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: time in your day and in your combat sports appetite

1100
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: you have for watching something like that. I think in

1101
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: that kind of a world there actually is a fair

1102
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: bit The question is what she wants, and the question

1103
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: is what path she will go down, and this this

1104
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: Friday is I think a big lesson in the direction

1105
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 2: of that kind of thing.

1106
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: Look, how does she make Friday? Because you're you're a

1107
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: critical eye looking at this, and rightfully so. But you know,

1108
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: when this was announced, I made that statement, which I

1109
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of hate making due to the larger picture that says.

1110
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: But I've said, look, BKFC at this point is sort

1111
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: of kind of like the adult film of the fighting world,

1112
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: and we're sort of like, Paige, you don't need to

1113
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: do this right. You can act if you don't need

1114
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: to go down this road. Why are you doing this?

1115
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Is there a way that she can impress you from

1116
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: a fighting standpoint? I mean is it? Is it like

1117
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: going there and bully and get the knockout where you're

1118
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna come out of there as a as a cynic

1119
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: going hey, you know what she looks damn good? I

1120
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: mean is there a win here?

1121
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean listen, what what is her style? Based

1122
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: off on speed? Uh to an extent, explosion, fury rights,

1123
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: chaos to a degree overwhelming force is sort of what

1124
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: she does. And so the ones who can get around that,

1125
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: who can juke, who can control her, who can you know, uh,

1126
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: slow her down? Those ones tend to do quite well.

1127
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: The nama unus is or the he bosses or you know,

1128
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: pick or whatever law she's had. It's the ones that

1129
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: kind of let her just do her thing. You know, eventually,

1130
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: if she's just throwing you know, an insane amount of

1131
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: punches in your face and you know she's fast, that

1132
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: that tends to do well. So in any ways, she

1133
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: is kind of suited for Knuckle in the way which

1134
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: Barre Knuckle has constructed their rules where you start close

1135
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: up and you know almost not not first one who

1136
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: lands wins. That's overstating it. But there is a premium

1137
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: placed on activity and that kind of thing, so that

1138
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: will be good for her. And she's going against Britain

1139
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: Hart who does not have the most exemplary record, although

1140
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: had a split decision with beck rawling. So it's like,

1141
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what that will mean for her,

1142
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: but yeah, you would think that early this was something

1143
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: that if Page can go in there and just blow

1144
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: her away, I think that would be really good for her.

1145
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: If she ekes out something.

1146
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: You're like, uh, I mean that's the win, right, The

1147
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: win is a dominant knockout, because there's so many ways

1148
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: to lose in this sport even when you win, Like

1149
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: I thought Paully be Artam and I don't thin even

1150
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: think that was a debate. You not only did he

1151
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: lose on the scorecards, he lost in some ways just

1152
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: for being in that and getting cut open and sort

1153
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: of entering in the circus and not dominating. Right, if

1154
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: you go to this circus, you gotta get in and

1155
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: out as quick as you can so you don't get

1156
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: the stain on you.

1157
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: Right, I think that's right. I think that's right. Or

1158
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, here's the problem. It's like, you don't look

1159
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: at this and say, wow, this is a real long

1160
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: term path for her. She can do this for a while.

1161
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 2: Does anyone really believe that, Like you believe she's doing

1162
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: this because maybe they came with just a fuck ton

1163
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: of money. You could probably do it with the right

1164
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: opponent and not really get by but look pretty good.

1165
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: But does anyone in there, and really any observer, not

1166
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: so much in her parties, but an observer look at

1167
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: this and go, wow, man, she is built for this,

1168
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: Like no one does that. No one's looking at it

1169
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: this way. And now maybe she can surprise us. I

1170
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: guess we'll see. But it wasn't like how many fights

1171
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: did she have in the UFC she had, or you

1172
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: know overall on MMA she had. You know, she was

1173
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: eight and five, bro, she had fucking thirteen fights. Like

1174
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: it was like she was some unknown commodity. And we

1175
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: saw her in Invicta as well. So it's like, I

1176
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know exactly what she's hoping to

1177
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: achieve here a quick victory and maybe move on. I

1178
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: think that'd be the smart one. But this is not

1179
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: a path for the future. This is a path for

1180
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: the next step, and that's okay. I guess we'll see

1181
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: what she wants to do.

1182
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what's gonna be worse for her, A

1183
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: couple of losses in BKFC or getting the same tattoo

1184
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: as her husband. What would be a worse You.

1185
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: Know, I've not looked at his tattoos? Are they bad?

1186
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Dude? The damn Adam's apple. He's a great fighter, but

1187
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: I member, you know, good fighter.

1188
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: He has his neck blown out, he has.

1189
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: The extreme eyeball on his on his throat. I mean

1190
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: it's extreme. Look, it's it's intense.

1191
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you also think that really bad

1192
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: tattoos are good? So are your judgment in suspect?

1193
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: Can you just, for one support a father who's loving

1194
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: on his daughter. I mean, what if your daughter looked

1195
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: at all your ink and was like, Dad, just get

1196
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: the damn duck for me, please, Dad?

1197
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: Please the quack quack?

1198
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: U Yeah, give me the quack quacks?

1199
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: You know, come on, I tell her you're grounded. All right,

1200
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: Let's go to the fifth and final topic here of

1201
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: the day for the top five rundown Let's talk over

1202
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: and underachievers. As we mentioned BC. Not like in the

1203
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: combat sports world, at least the MM main world. I

1204
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: should say, there wasn't a ton happening, but there were

1205
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: some highs that were some lows. Who was an under

1206
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: or overachiever this past weekend.

1207
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: Dude, damn James Vick got sent to hell, coming off

1208
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: of four losses in the UFC and getting cut and

1209
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: then going to x MMA on the regional scene, taking

1210
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: on bellator veteran Andre Fiallo in the main event, who

1211
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: himself was coming in off three losses, Luke, and then

1212
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: in the first round just getting the knock the mouthpiece

1213
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: knocked out, and it was a typical James Vick loss. Unfortunately,

1214
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: no head movement, he got bloodied, he got stopped on

1215
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: his feet. I don't know if there's like a broken

1216
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: face or broken something. Look, this was I mean, straight up,

1217
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: this was as disastrous as it could be. And this

1218
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: is a young guy who at times, you know, had

1219
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: really shown some promise here, especially in that initial lightweight

1220
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: run where he's just super tall for the division, got

1221
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: some good skills. Tough boxer, dude. This is this is

1222
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: the bottom of the barrel. I mean, this is the

1223
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: bottom of the food chain. This is like it's time,

1224
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: it's time.

1225
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: It's not that far. I mean, the guy who he

1226
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: thought was experienced number one, you know, not the best

1227
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: fighter in the world, but not the worst, was experienced.

1228
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: And also, I mean people don't appreciate this, but the

1229
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: difference between you know, the middle or the bottom of

1230
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: a UFC card and the top of a decent regional card,

1231
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: there is no difference. It's almost identical. So I admit

1232
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: it's a very bad loss, I will grant you that,

1233
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: but calling at the bottom of the barrel is a

1234
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: bit of an exaggeration.

1235
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: Well, the way he lost to a guy that shouldn't

1236
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: have been able to do that to him, Luke, he

1237
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: lost in all the ways that we had fears for

1238
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: him during that UFC losing streak, which is, if he

1239
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: didn't figure out some head movement or add certain things

1240
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: to his game, or just take some time off and

1241
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: reassess his career is going to be over sooner than later.

1242
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Then he went to the miners, Luke, and he got

1243
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: served by a guy who shouldn't be serving him in

1244
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: the in the really the most catastrophic way possible, like

1245
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: just exposing those same inefficiencies. This is bad Luke, it's

1246
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: really bad.

1247
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: It's bad. That part I think is totally You're right

1248
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: on the money there. That was a bad loss being

1249
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: you right, I.

1250
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: Mean it was almost sad. It was sad. It was

1251
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: sad because you know, I'm not the guy personally, but.

1252
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if he like, let's say, threw

1253
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: a high kick BC and then slipped on the mat

1254
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: and then the other guy was like, you know, a

1255
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 2: one trick pony with rear naked chokes and then jumped

1256
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: on his back, and he'd be like, okay, all right.

1257
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: I mean it's bad luck, but you know that wouldn't

1258
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: be the worst of it. But he lost in this

1259
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: one for the same reasons he lost in the other one.

1260
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is the guy who gave

1261
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Paul Felder, you know, a very tough fight. I mean

1262
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: that was a close fight right up until the end.

1263
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: I remember, punctured his fucking lung and then he goes

1264
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: out here and just gets demolished. You know, I had

1265
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: vic in studio. You know, there's obviously controversy with anytime

1266
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: you have an association with teim Lloyd Irving, but that aside,

1267
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: I found him to be a very nice guy, and

1268
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: he made a real interesting point to me BC, which

1269
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: was he's like, you know, I not that he's old

1270
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: or had a ton of miles on him, but he

1271
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: got started in a lot of this stuff relatively late.

1272
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: So he was always he was going to extra boxing

1273
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: sessions and extra sparring sessions and extra seminars because he

1274
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: was always trying to make up for lost time. And

1275
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: I think that certainly that probably impacted his development. But

1276
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: at this point, I don't know what the problem is.

1277
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: Is he suffering some kind of psychological issue by virtue of,

1278
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, the trauma from what had happened, not just

1279
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: the physical trauma but the mental scars from it all

1280
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: that seems quite possible, because you know, you have to

1281
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: ask yourself, is this the Is James Vick better than this?

1282
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: And you keep thinking he is, and I do think

1283
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: that he is. But if you can't show it, it

1284
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you think, or what I think, or

1285
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: even when he thinks. Necessarily, you got to get out

1286
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: there and make something happen. And so to your point,

1287
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: to not only lose, but then to lose specifically for

1288
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: the reasons that you've been losing previously, like those issues

1289
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: are just lingering. No matter what level you're at, that's

1290
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: it's not great.

1291
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: And just to be really honest here, this looked like

1292
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: a video game fight in the first round, but not

1293
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: in the video game fight like we normally say, where

1294
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: it's like an all out war. This was like a

1295
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: lot of spinny shit that went nowhere, like it got

1296
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: blocked or it came up short. I mean this just

1297
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, and then and then died like a schoolyard fight.

1298
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: Luke off one guy just repeatedly taking punishment till he

1299
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: was done. Yeah. Look, I mean, you know, do you

1300
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: go into boxing now he's had pro boxing matches before.

1301
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Do you make that transition? I don't know. You know,

1302
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: do you start working at ups? I don't know, Luke,

1303
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: But this is this bat This is a fall from

1304
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: from grace wherever that grace was.

1305
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Uh. For my I won't call it overachieving because I

1306
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: don't think this was like, oh he did better than

1307
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: he normally is. He just did really well. I will

1308
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: be honest, and folks got honest for it. So I

1309
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: kind of paid attention a little bit over the weekend

1310
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: Cedric Doombay, and I believe I'm pronouncing that right, but

1311
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: if not, please don't kill me. I'm not trying to

1312
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: make any claims about French Cedric Doombay. One I believe

1313
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: retained I should say his glory welterweight title beating Myrtill Gruenhardt.

1314
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: You could see right there in spectacular fashion, doom Bay.

1315
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: All the folks who are really into kickboxing are telling

1316
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: me this guy is sort of the present and the

1317
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: future of the sport. And years ago I think twenty

1318
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: seventeen had lost to Greenhart, who you know, sort of

1319
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: a staple from the surnames Dutch. I think he was

1320
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: with for a time Mike's Jim. He still might be,

1321
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: but that Ilk it was really really good, and Doombay

1322
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: just absolutely sent him to fucking hell. And these guys

1323
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: had a very very contentious way and a contentious build

1324
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: up the whole nine yards, and Doombay absolutely went in

1325
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: there and put it on him. So I will not

1326
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: pretend that I am some kind of expert in kickboxing,

1327
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: super far from it. But I will say that the

1328
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: folks who are they all say that Doombay is just

1329
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: an in doom Again. I hope I'm saying it right.

1330
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: This guy Cedric is supposed to be the absolute bees

1331
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: fucking knees. You can see he left Greenhart there just

1332
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: folded after all this was over, So sick win by

1333
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: him and absolutely somebody to pay attention to going forward

1334
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: if you haven't already been doing that.

1335
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, was quite the entertainer there. Todd Grisham on the call,

1336
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: shout out to that Luke. A lot of people were saying, hey,

1337
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: BC and Luke, you know you filled your preview section

1338
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: for the weekend on MK talking about shitty boxing. We

1339
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: didn't apparently didn't need. Why can't we talk about glory

1340
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: when Alex Pedata is on the card, Rico Verhoven, all

1341
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: these other guys, Luke, should we be lifting more of

1342
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: the eyeball to the old gloryhole?

1343
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: So here, So here's the thing that's really a question

1344
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: about how you want to assign your coverage. We're trying

1345
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: to do something a little bit different here. Kickboxing, jiu jitsu,

1346
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: to an extent, amateur wrestling, they all kind of fit

1347
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: inside the MMA universe a little bit. There's much closer

1348
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: connectivity between the kickboxing and the MMA worlds. There's not

1349
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: that same kind of connectivity between MMA and boxing, and

1350
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: we're trying to shoehorn that a little bit by choice.

1351
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: We know we're up, you know, we're now we're sort

1352
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: of pushing to sled up hill on this one a

1353
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: little bit. But that's sort of the claim that we're

1354
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: trying to make because those are the two biggest combat sports,

1355
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: certainly in and I would say most of the world.

1356
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: That's that's gonna be largely true. So you know, I

1357
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: think probably BC we could carve out some time for kickboxing.

1358
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: But you know, listen, I'm still learning all of the

1359
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: things that I had lost on that time away from boxing.

1360
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to catch up on that. There's only so

1361
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: many hours in a day. I think we probably should

1362
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: have talked about Glory seventy seven over on Friday. But

1363
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: the idea that we're just gonna start doing kickboxing coverage

1364
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: just by the way, there's a very small audience for

1365
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: it's just you know, it's just part of the MMA family.

1366
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: Is the difference moving forward?

1367
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: Though?

1368
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: If Alexa uh but.

1369
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: By the way, he basically he beat yeah, he should

1370
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: not have and folk there was a lot of keen

1371
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: observers saying that Pereira, Pereeda whatever should have lost that contest.

1372
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: And I not only lost it, lost it handily. That's way.

1373
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: That was a very controversial decision.

1374
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if he's fighting moving forward, I

1375
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: got I gotta be there, I gotta watch you. I

1376
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get you know, into and so

1377
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll do that the people, Luke, moving forward? Okay, fair,

1378
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even watch the Dan Royll rumble last night, Luke.

1379
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: Uh oh, yeah, you know what you missed? You know

1380
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: what you missed? Nothing?

1381
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: Hey, shout out first of all, shout out to my

1382
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: ex colleague, one of my favorite people in the world,

1383
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: Peter Rosenberg, who is a you know, WW announcer and

1384
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: all that, Luke. Do you know he won the WW

1385
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven championship last night by rolling up.

1386
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: So it's a title that's a gimmick, and you can

1387
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: win it at any point. All you have to do

1388
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: is pin the champion, not in a ring like you

1389
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: know so some NBA players have won it. It's just

1390
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: like ongoing gimmick. Peter Rosenberg rolled up our truth last

1391
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: night by the announced desk and stole the title and

1392
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: now he's the champion.

1393
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: Luke. All right, I remember when he was he lost

1394
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: his job at WJFK here in DC and was broadcasting

1395
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: with a mac on ice cast at the McDonald's at

1396
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: the top of the Hill in Adams Morgan here in

1397
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: the nation's capital, to see how far he's come from

1398
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: that rock bottom. Holy shit, pretty fucking amazing.

1399
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: GP. Yep, that's my guy, thank you.

1400
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, with that in mind, it's time for

1401
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: a BC not to not ask each other questions. It's

1402
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: time for you to ask us questions. It's time for bump, bump, bump.

1403
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: All right, BC, let's go first to fit man eats he.

1404
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: He asks, do you think Shudo's potential yet unlikely return

1405
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: to fight will go? Similar to conversus Pooria. He's been

1406
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: out of the of the cafe for a while, and

1407
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: Figuredo seems to be peaking and battle tested, leading into

1408
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: a potential bout what do you think?

1409
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so Judo's gonna come back at Flyway.

1410
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: I think the it would need Figuredo Luke to to

1411
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: go on, you know, half the run that Mighty Mouse

1412
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: had and be calling out Sahudo at stupid levels and

1413
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: in the process become a star. Right, Figuredo is a

1414
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: critical sensation. I have him in my Power for pound

1415
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: top five. I think he's blowing me away, Luke. He's

1416
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: a fighter of the year. You really can't ask for

1417
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: him to do much more. But if he did much more,

1418
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: I think that's the only way to get Suhudo back there.

1419
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: I do believe with this absolutely loaded bandonmweight division and

1420
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: the advantageous position that Suhudo tries to put himself in,

1421
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: with the whole idea of can he become a three

1422
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: division champion, that's certainly a more likely avenue. The spirit

1423
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: of the question is the time away. Look, some people

1424
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: are different where it doesn't affect them as much. Dominica Cruz.

1425
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: Can we give him a shout out whenever he would

1426
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: come back, Luke and act like he'd never been gone.

1427
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on who you are. It's not

1428
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: as easy as we said to do what somebody like

1429
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather did in boxing comparison to what Connor McGregor

1430
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: attempted to do against Poorrier. But is are there elements

1431
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: to his game, Luke that you think would be potentially

1432
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: soured by inactivity? If he's gonna lean on his wrestling

1433
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: and the timing of that, I mean, I mean.

1434
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: Connor was out for a long time. If you add

1435
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: up all of the departures since the Alvarez fight, and

1436
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: I know, you know, you have the Mayweather fight in there,

1437
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: But even then, that's not Mma. You know, I don't

1438
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: think he's been out long enough. I mean, dude, he

1439
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: fought during the pandemic. How late could it fucking have been?

1440
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I don't. I don't necessarily think. I

1441
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: mean that doesn't to say he would win, like, oh,

1442
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: he's the chance or he was the champion he left.

1443
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: He just picked right up where he left off. I mean,

1444
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: those are tough fights in those weight classes. Maybe those

1445
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: folks will beat him, But will he look like, you know,

1446
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: like a devolved version of himself. I tend to think

1447
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: that's exaggerated.

1448
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: Uh, Peter Yan and him. If Yan keeps winning, would

1449
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: be a hell hell if I mean, obviously, studo against

1450
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: any of these guys at the load of bantamweight division

1451
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: would be insane. But I do hope we see him

1452
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: in the next eighteen months. I do hope he capitalizes

1453
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: on the ability to keep his brand strong and come

1454
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: parachuting in and get a big fight. But you know,

1455
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: he has certainly evolved as striking, and you do never

1456
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: know how much a guy is working behind the scenes,

1457
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't tend to you know, Connor's game is

1458
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: so much more predicated on timing and and you know,

1459
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: and like you said, though, the larger body of being

1460
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: away doesn't help the overall evolution. If Sohudo's base is

1461
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna be wrestling, Luke can do that in sleep.

1462
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that no, certainly that's true, and I think

1463
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: it's Listen, I think it'd be better if he was

1464
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: I agree with you, like it'd be better if he

1465
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: was back, but he's not been gone that long. And yeah,

1466
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I tend to think that we're overstating

1467
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,479
Speaker 2: things here a little bit. All right, let's move along

1468
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: if we can. From Big Billy Big Wheels, BC Wheels

1469
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: with a Z. What is your most anticipated MMA fight

1470
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: that is still to come this year? I got one.

1471
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: If want me to go first?

1472
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want what's the spirit of this question?

1473
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: Fights that could happen, fights that have been announced?

1474
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: Anything? I think either I think either announced or like

1475
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: heavily anticipated, based on like you kind of know which

1476
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: way the wind's blowing. So I'm gonna go I'm gonna

1477
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: go to me, it doesn't matter who the opponent is

1478
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: because it's basically gonna be one of two. I'm gonna

1479
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: go John Jones at heavyweight. You know, whether it's John

1480
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: versus Francis or John versus Stepe or frankly even John

1481
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: versus Curtis Blade. To me, it doesn't matter, you know.

1482
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: And I were talking to like we did that that

1483
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: Connor resume thing where we went fight by fight and

1484
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: talked about all the different steps that the guy took

1485
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: in the UFC, I think for John's return and this

1486
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: time has moved up to heavyweight, we should do one

1487
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: for those for that situation as well, because you know

1488
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: John's that's this is this is long in the making. Man.

1489
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: We've been waiting for this for a very long time.

1490
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 2: There's still reason to think you might do really well. Curious,

1491
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: very curious. What about you?

1492
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that would be my number two pick.

1493
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stay with what I've been. You know,

1494
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: I've been banging right at the drum, uh and and

1495
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep banging it. Rose nama yunis challenging back

1496
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: for her former championship at strawweight against the great Jeong

1497
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: Way Lee. Look, I love the ship out of that

1498
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: fight on paper, the styles, the fighting spirits of both,

1499
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: the contrast.

1500
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1501
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, Jeong has raised her profile a ton and

1502
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: her toughness and her reputation from that you want to

1503
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: fight never got a chance to get back in there.

1504
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: You know. I think Rose went through the type of

1505
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: hell and that Andra dreamatch that she needed to to

1506
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: remind herself who she actually is on the inside. I

1507
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: still think there's a there's a window, and there's gonna

1508
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: be a title run for Rose. Like you know, I

1509
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: think i'd favor her in that. As close as that

1510
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: fight is on paper and as much as I love it,

1511
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: I like her chances in that fight, and I think

1512
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: it'd be spectacular both for you know, how they match

1513
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: up in the potential drama. And you know, I love

1514
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: women strawweights, but there's a reason why I do, because

1515
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: they're so competitive. They's so the top ten is so deep.

1516
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: But I think these are the best in the show

1517
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: there at the at one, one five, and I need that.

1518
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: I need that fight. Look, I need the injection, please,

1519
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't need us. I don't need the cookie Monster

1520
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: to get in the way. Can we just make this

1521
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: fight now?

1522
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: I hear you, bro all right? From Greg Leach ninety nine.

1523
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: We kind of covered this a little bit before BC,

1524
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: but I think it's asking slightly differently, which is, if

1525
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: Overing would to somehow claim a UFC title, where would

1526
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: he rank among the most decorated combat athletes of all time? Because,

1527
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, he would have the dream title Strike

1528
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: Force K one and then UFC, So you have one

1529
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: from Kickbox, the most prestigious at the time, and then

1530
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: now you'd have you know, not all of the belts

1531
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: from the prestige of MMA, because you wuldn't. He didn't

1532
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: have any Pride belts, but to get it, especially to

1533
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: get it at fucking forty or forty one, however, role

1534
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: he is when, if and when he gets it, man, dude,

1535
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: that would be that would be something special.

1536
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: It really would be because because of the really, like

1537
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: we said earlier, the losses and the ability to come

1538
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: back from them and coming so close against step A,

1539
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: but then when he lost we wrote him off. You

1540
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: had the totality of such a long career. I mean,

1541
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: this guy was fighting like Chuck Ladell and Pride. I

1542
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: mean look, it's so ridiculous, right, I mean, like so

1543
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: many chapters, so many testing protocols, so many, so many things. Luke, Yeah,

1544
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where you know, the true spirit of

1545
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: this question again, is us trying to put that somewhere

1546
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: in some kind of ranking. I think it's hard when

1547
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: you're sort of saying all time combat athletes because most

1548
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: of them competed just in their own sport in one organization, right,

1549
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, so it's not but from the standpoint of

1550
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: being decorated the things that we sort of you know,

1551
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: shout out for Reddy Alvare as a guy who's going

1552
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: to so many organizations and won the championships there and

1553
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: it's been incredible, you know, it's better than that. I mean,

1554
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it'd be crazy. Where would I like this

1555
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 1: question better? Where would it put him in the U

1556
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: in the all time great heavyweight rankings at MMA?

1557
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: It doesn't undo his losses. That's a tough one, be right.

1558
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: Because there's always a difference between resume and accomplishments versus

1559
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: like when you were at your Pomp for Palm best.

1560
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, and he's not at his Pomp for

1561
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: Pound best. Now he would just be able to find

1562
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: a way to make it work at this late stage.

1563
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: Same with Bisping, Like was Bisping at his very best

1564
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: at the late end of his career. I would argue not,

1565
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: but he was just you know, right place, right time,

1566
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 2: and made it work. You know, I wouldn't put him

1567
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: as the very best heavyweight. And he never fought Caine,

1568
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: but he has wins over Santo's. But you know, the

1569
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: version of the santasy fault was a bit diminished. But

1570
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: if he fought ver Doom twice, beat them both times.

1571
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: You know, Doom has wins with those other guys. You know,

1572
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: he puts them in the top five, probably the top yeah,

1573
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: top five, I think I think it's probably up top

1574
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: four maybe something like that.

1575
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: What about this scenario, Let's say over him loses on Saturday.

1576
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: Let's say he never gets back to the title opportunity,

1577
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: this final run doesn't really go anywhere. He's already a

1578
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: great guy, great career, right, he's a legend. But let's

1579
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: say Luke, fifteen years from now, you and I we're

1580
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: on like a PTI run, We're still doing morning freakin' combat. Right,

1581
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: We've we've we've made we made good with Jay. He

1582
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's back around in the mix. You know,

1583
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: we're still doing this show, and we're on top of

1584
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: the game. No one's talking about Canada. They're talking about us, Luke. Okay,

1585
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: and we get steep A on there the you know,

1586
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: at that point, uh, people are gonna say, hey, let's

1587
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: bring on the second greatest heavyweight of all time, steep

1588
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: A mio chitch here behind the great John Jones after

1589
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: he goes on a run of never losing at heavyweight.

1590
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: Luke and steep A sits down with us and we

1591
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: talk and we're like, hey, steep A, remember that time

1592
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: you uh uh you fought over him that you know,

1593
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: that was that was that was a fun fight. And

1594
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, guys, I've been waiting for years to

1595
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: finally get this off my chest. Bro. I fucking tapped

1596
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: against against over him. Dude, I thought, from me to

1597
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: the firepole, let me tell you I tapped that motherfucker

1598
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: had me out, bro, I should have lost that night.

1599
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you change your rankings and recalibrate alistair postpartum right

1600
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: back into the top three all time at heavyweight?

1601
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: Luke, Well, considering what you're talking about is, dude, the

1602
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: Hindenburg did not go up in flames. That is just

1603
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 2: not a thing that happened. Yeah, I guess I would

1604
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: if that happened. What you're talking about is basically impossible. Still,

1605
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: that's fucking hilarious that you brought that up though. Uh

1606
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: all right, this one you'll love. This is a great

1607
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: question from heavy dot Falcon. All right, now, this is

1608
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: this is interesting. Pick one menu item from each of

1609
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 2: the following McDonalds, Burger, King, Chick fil A, Taco Bell,

1610
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: and one other wild card to assemble your dream trash

1611
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 2: Pando meal. RB's does not count as food.

1612
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: All right, I got issue. I got issue with heavy

1613
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: Falcon saying, because you know RB's curly fries, it would

1614
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: make this the perfect meal. But I get where he's saying,

1615
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: there can.

1616
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: Just go down the line, go down the line.

1617
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: Can you put that graphic back on so I have

1618
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: it for a reference point?

1619
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: Please? Sir? God, can you imagine eating this way? I mean,

1620
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: what a fucking disaster that would do.

1621
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: Dream trash pandom meal. This is a freaking spectacular question.

1622
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very good.

1623
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Are we actually looking to assemble a meal where it

1624
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: compliments each other? Because like Chick fil A, has got

1625
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot of great things going on, Luke. For them,

1626
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should build around their chicken

1627
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: sandwich or use them.

1628
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go down the list and say to myself,

1629
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: if I went to McDonald's or any of these places

1630
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: and I can get one item, what's the one item

1631
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 2: I would get? And I'm gonna build a meal that way.

1632
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: But you can do it differently if you want.

1633
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: All right, Look, I'm getting the double for McDonald's straight

1634
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: up right, like like, why do I need flavored crack?

1635
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: When?

1636
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: When the when the pipe? Just the basic one tastes

1637
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: so good, right, Okay, give me that. See we can't

1638
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: do RBS. Dude, they've got a Jamoke milkshake, not Jimoke.

1639
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah you hear the fucking Jamoke. I bet you order that.

1640
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: I'm the Jumoke. Yeah, it's something close to that name.

1641
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: That's some kind of weird mix of banana and something else. Uh, Luke.

1642
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: I don't be K much in my life, Like I

1643
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I've been there, but I like

1644
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: the trash taste of McDonald's comparative to b K. Do

1645
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: you have a favorite Burger King item? I mean, I'm

1646
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: in the chicken parm sandwich. It makes me feel great.

1647
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: But let me just go. Let me just go down

1648
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: the line and then we'll go. We'll use it this way.

1649
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: So if I went to McDonald's, my go to is

1650
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: a double quarter pounder, or as us math nerds called it,

1651
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: the half pounder, uh, Burger King. I haven't eaten a

1652
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: Burger King in since since I tried the impossible whopper.

1653
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: Why one time with you in Jersey in Brooklyn. So

1654
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't know their menu too well, but I remember

1655
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: the last time I ate the I had the double whopper.

1656
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: Like so i'd have the double whopper There Chick fil A,

1657
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: I get the spicy chicken sandwich, which I just fucking love.

1658
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: Taco Bell. That's a little bit of a tougher call

1659
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 2: for me. But I'm gonna beef burrito.

1660
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: Bro, I don't know how you don't understand. The five

1661
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: layer beef berriro is.

1662
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: The perfect I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna go. I'm

1663
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: gonna's too much beef, So I'm gonna go seven layer

1664
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: burrito and then I get to assemble one other item.

1665
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: I'd probably go with five guys and I would get

1666
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: their fries, the kind you can put the malt on,

1667
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, and then that how I That's how i'd

1668
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: round it out, all right.

1669
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: My my bonus item would not be crumbling farms.

1670
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 2: You know what?

1671
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: I would go to? You know, Checkers, that that chan

1672
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: they have down south?

1673
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, are you kidding? I grewup in fucking Georgia.

1674
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 2: There's a Checkers across the street from my high school. Yes,

1675
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 2: all right.

1676
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: They had one in Bristol, Connecticut about a decade ago,

1677
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: for like a year, and then it just disappeared. Look,

1678
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: they've got a you can mix flavors on the milkshake, dude,

1679
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: the banana and chocolate together.

1680
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: Would would?

1681
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: Would you know?

1682
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: It?

1683
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: Would?

1684
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: I could ship my pants just thinking about it. Right,

1685
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that, Luke. I don't know if I

1686
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: need a side here, you know, I mean, I'm getting

1687
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: the mcdouble here. See, I just hate traditional fries. They

1688
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: just don't move me, Luke. All right, so maybe I'm

1689
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: gonna go.

1690
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, did you have the five guys fries?

1691
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1692
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 2: And fried and peanut oil. They're pretty good.

1693
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: Nah, dude, Then you get like you get like way

1694
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: too much. I hate saying that and this is where

1695
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: there's a trash panda conversation. I'm telling you, you get way

1696
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: too much.

1697
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: Dude.

1698
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: They give you like the you know, you can feed

1699
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: a family with those. I might call the mazzarella sticks

1700
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: from burkingcause you need like a side right here, Luke, Okay,

1701
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: chick flay. I'm going to just go with the chicken sandwich.

1702
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, it tastes so good. It's like a burger, Luke,

1703
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: it tastes like a burger. Okay, give me the five

1704
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: layer beef burrito. Give me that milkshake from Checkers. I'm

1705
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: all into that. This is great. This is great. I

1706
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: love this.

1707
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right. And then last but not least,

1708
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: by the way, I mean, I like how you're like,

1709
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: we need to really, you know, mind her how much

1710
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: food we have as we go through the most fattening

1711
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 2: items imaginable? All right? But from Jim dot More eighty

1712
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: four BC, Luke loves ripping big Beige Scampbell for his

1713
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 2: music tastes. What is Luke's guilty pleasure song that he

1714
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 2: finds embarrassing? What's a guilty pleasure song?

1715
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: Jesus, so you're a band, you could do it? You

1716
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: know are a guilty pleasure band.

1717
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't consider Depeche Mode guilty pleasure. They're they're too

1718
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 2: elevated and too good to call that like it's embarrassing

1719
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: to listen to them. Oh you know what. I listen

1720
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: to them, and I'll tell you this. It's guilty pleasure

1721
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 2: because I only use it during workouts. There's no other

1722
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: time where I just flip it on and I'm like, wow,

1723
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: this is fucking great. But for workouts, I will flip

1724
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: on the occasional scrill X, which is terrible dubstep bullshit.

1725
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: But when you're you know, when you need to fucking

1726
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: pump yourself up. They need to get through the the

1727
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, the lifting A little scrill X sometimes is

1728
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: that nice extra push.

1729
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is, scroll squirrel.

1730
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: Scrill X you're missing. If you listen to it, you'd

1731
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: be like, dude, this is just noise. It's not good,

1732
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: and you'd be right, it is noise. It's not good.

1733
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: But if you're tired and you're trying to sell, because

1734
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: the problem is I never work out with a buddy

1735
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 2: or a partner. I have to self motivate, so I'm

1736
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: always looking for something to like, you know, get me

1737
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: to finish strong and sometimes loud, noisy music, as bad

1738
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: as it might be, kind of fucking you know, puts

1739
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: me over the hump a little bit. You can't you

1740
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 2: can't listen to Kat Stevens, you know, on the fifth

1741
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: set of you know, RPE nine fucking inclined bench Press.

1742
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. You can't do that.

1743
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: You have do something loud, especially not in your front yard.

1744
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: You got to scare people away. I used to consider

1745
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac a guilty pleasure until I just kind of,

1746
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, got deeper into music and realize there's nothing

1747
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: guilty about it at all. I mean, John McVeigh and

1748
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: Mick Fleetwood might be the greatest rhythm section combined together

1749
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: i've ever heard. I always stand by Dashboard Confessionals a

1750
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: great guilty pleasure band. If you like some some emo

1751
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: team and inks once in a while, Luke, I'll hit

1752
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: you with that. But uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Luke, I

1753
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: don't know if we should be having a music conversation

1754
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: since you support so much you know, pro abortion rock

1755
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: and you know, prerequisite school shooting albums and stuff like that.

1756
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, to each his own, Luke that's

1757
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: that's pretty guilty as it is.

1758
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that's right. Uh okay, with out of the WAYBC,

1759
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 2: speaking of ridiculous things like trash plates and bad music,

1760
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 2: we need to go look at the videos you have

1761
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 2: assembled for us. Take it away, good sir.

1762
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: All right. You know what we do. We scour the

1763
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: globe for the highs and lows, the good and bad

1764
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: and the in between, in combat sports and beyond. Luke,

1765
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: have you actually seen this shit? Let's find out. We

1766
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: start from one championship this past week you referenced it

1767
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: in Friday Show. Senegalese heavyweight Umar ruggru Kine made his

1768
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: promotional debut and sent eln Nagolani to hell tko one? Luke,

1769
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: were you impressed by this incredible strong man?

1770
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: He appears to have a lot of physical ability. We'll

1771
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: see how his skills come around. But you know, between

1772
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 2: the name and you know, he looks like a fucking

1773
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: just superhero maybe superhero villain, I don't know, but either way,

1774
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: just looks like an absolute menace. Let's get this guy

1775
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: some skills, see what he can do.

1776
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: His opponent is like an old school like name.

1777
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, I don't know this oh all right.

1778
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I should know this guy. I thought

1779
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: you were gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's that guy

1780
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: he fought here and there. You're like, I don't know

1781
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: the guy.

1782
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: No, he has done some like viral marketing for one,

1783
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: so maybe like you saw that or something. I'm not

1784
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: entirely certain. I don't watch a lot of one again,

1785
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 2: not out of boycott, just time constraints.

1786
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: All right, I'm the undercard, Luke. Check out this sick

1787
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: ko and kickboxing from Babu led issue Iev Issu y

1788
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: Iev issue Iev. Oh you will not get fries with that.

1789
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: That is wow?

1790
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: See what I mean? Though, they're using boxing gloves in

1791
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: a cage Like I don't know if this is a

1792
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 2: good idea or not, but I like that they have

1793
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,480
Speaker 2: the ability to experiment.

1794
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody called TSA the one bag's gonna fly for

1795
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: free with on Southwest. Here Luke packed this guy up. Wow,

1796
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: all right, hey. Boxing from over the weekend in Moscow,

1797
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: Luke super middleweight Pavel Ciliagen kot Omar Garcia. Shout out

1798
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 1: to Tim box Ao.

1799
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: For the video here.

1800
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh he's got him on Queer Street, Luke.

1801
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: Good acation here in Russia.

1802
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: Wow, rapid fire with those right hands to end it

1803
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: face first.

1804
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: Luke, that's all was bad when they go face first. Yeah.

1805
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to count. You don't have to count.

1806
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it, you go face first, all right.

1807
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: Also in boxing this we had we have the PBC

1808
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: on Fox undercard from La Great Knockdown here from Joey

1809
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: Spencer the unbeaten middle eight against Isaiah Selden. Luke, that

1810
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: looked like it endered the fight, but it didn't, Luke.

1811
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 2: Well, and also this dude had been this dude who

1812
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: just got floored, had been doing rabbit punch is you know,

1813
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: like a motherfucker, and you know, the ref kind of

1814
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: counts him out a little bit early, but he deserved it.

1815
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: He lost two points. This ref, I forgot the guy's name,

1816
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: just came out, can't your can't do So this is

1817
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 1: Isaiah Selden, who is the son, Luke, of Bruce Selden

1818
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: who lost to Mike Tyson in that heavyweight title unification

1819
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: about the same night Tupac was killed in Las Vegas.

1820
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: Remember Bruce Seldon from a Land City. I think he

1821
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: took a fall in that fight, Luke, you go back

1822
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: and watch that first round. It was just weird. H

1823
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: It was an interesting backstory here in Isaiah. He's thirty one,

1824
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: he didn't want to get into boxing, and then he

1825
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: was purposely homeless, whatever that means. And then his dad's

1826
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: old trainer found him and they got him in the

1827
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: sport and Luke, I don't know if you saw the

1828
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: ending of this. After he got up, he got dropped again.

1829
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: Can'tu backed him up to the corner. Selden's yelling at

1830
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Cantu and the ref yells at the corner, sit this

1831
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: guy down or I'm gonna take his money.

1832
01:22:53,080 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Is that Legal's got some balls man instructions in the

1833
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: main event, and he was like, you will obey what

1834
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: the motherfucker I say, bitches.

1835
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesus Joey Spencer. I can't tell if

1836
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: he's for real yet, Luke, but PBC keeps putting him

1837
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: in there and he's getting wins, all right, so we'll see.

1838
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: We'll see. Also, Luke, fat heavyweights on the undercart. Shout

1839
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: out to Michael Coffee, the ex Marine. There is such

1840
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: a thing, Luke, eight years in the Marines, and he said,

1841
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: this fat dude, DARMANI rock to the to the basement

1842
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 1: floor of hell.

1843
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: Luke.

1844
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: Check out this upper cut on the replay Semper five

1845
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: never die Luke.

1846
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, no such thing as an next marine. But

1847
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that this man's doing good work.

1848
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: Yes, can we see that one more time?

1849
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: Great Sloby, just go blah, let's see coffee it is right?

1850
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: Watch his boat?

1851
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh yikes, yikes, well done, Luke. We talked about Glory

1852
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: seventy seven. I've got a highlight here from the Glory

1853
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: Twitter account of said Drick Doombay. As you set up here,

1854
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: this was spectacular, Luke.

1855
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's sick, kicks out the post leg, goes

1856
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: to the body all sun. Look at that.

1857
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: There's a murder. Wow wow, Yes, all right, Luke. I

1858
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: got an up date from the Perry family. Mike Perry

1859
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: and Coach Littori took to the beach for a little

1860
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: postpartum workout in Miami. Luke, how about this right next

1861
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: to the ocean, And by ocean, I mean the the

1862
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: actual water, not their son.

1863
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: Luke. Look.

1864
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: Look, look he was hitting the bag. This is this

1865
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: is your wheelhouse, Luke.

1866
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Right, God, Jesus Lord helped us this child, Lord, helpless child.

1867
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's move out here, Luke. Street fight of the

1868
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: week time, Luke, This one never quite got out there

1869
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: as these two fast food combatants. Instead of fighting, Luke,

1870
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: they broke out in song. Check this out?

1871
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: Is this one of those like Instagram accounts, like you know,

1872
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 2: fucking Instagram comedians. I'm not saying it's not a little funny,

1873
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: but you know, what are you gonna do?

1874
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: Luke? Very reminiscent of that famous Korean base brawl? Can

1875
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: we show that footage?

1876
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 2: Luke?

1877
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: This used to make the rounds in the ESPN newsroom

1878
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: back in the day. Oh we're fighting?

1879
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What the fuck are they doing?

1880
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: And people say, I can't you know you're you're supposed to.

1881
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: You can't not love rism?

1882
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 2: Come on? What is the bit here that these idiots

1883
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 2: are doing.

1884
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, Luke.

1885
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: I just make that.

1886
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: I just put the videos on the screen. It's up

1887
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: to you to decipher what's in the art. Okay, Luke,

1888
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: you want a real street fight though? Check out this

1889
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: road rage incident. Not sure what country it is, but

1890
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: these guys threw some hands right here, Luke.

1891
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 2: Who's hot is this? Wait? So is this Antifa versus

1892
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 2: Proud Boys? What is this? Oh, Antifa got.

1893
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: The I got the guy in the oh shit, a

1894
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: guy in the jeans right now.

1895
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 2: Antifa. Antifa's like trench co mafia bitch what boh.

1896
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: Wow fries with that pavement right there? Look at that.

1897
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: I think Antifa had some capkicks early on there.

1898
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders bitch fucking two thousand dollars checks ho anti

1899
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: racism bitch ba yikes.

1900
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: All right, wow, Luke, it's Buffalo Bill's time. Let's bring

1901
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: out the mafia. We're a week late on this, but

1902
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: so many people sent it to me. I had to

1903
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: show it. After the Bills scored the first touchdown against

1904
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.

1905
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: We saw this live in my room.

1906
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,520
Speaker 1: Dude, they went tip to tip, Luke, is this ultimately

1907
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: the reason of their demise? Celebrate in a little bit

1908
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:57,839
Speaker 1: too early, a little bit too freaky.

1909
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 2: Well, it just goes to show that tip to tip

1910
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: is weird and stupid. But uh maybe also every every

1911
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: one of this, every one of this event got COVID.

1912
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1913
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: While we're here, Luke, why not check out this Bill's

1914
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: mafia member and the Bruce Smith throwback.

1915
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,520
Speaker 2: Jersey worst fan base in America.

1916
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I love that they painted the table first. This is art, looke,

1917
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 1: This is art, right, dude.

1918
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 2: I can watch Bill's Mafia fucking uh. You know, idiots

1919
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 2: take els just all the time. We can honestly change

1920
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 2: the name of this show from Morning Combat to watch

1921
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 2: Bill's Mafia take El's and I would honestly be Okay.

1922
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Dude, that's some CTE right there. Shout out to Bruce Smith.

1923
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: Speaking of old Bruce Smith, Luke, remember that time he

1924
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: took a similar fall on live TV during an interview

1925
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: with Trev Roberts on h on t N T or

1926
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,520
Speaker 1: Trev Albert.

1927
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 2: Sorry the linebacker, I can't hear it.

1928
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Shout out. Shout out to stoner Mania for keeping this

1929
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: video alive in the Ethos interviewing him about, you know,

1930
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 1: his his.

1931
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame run and oh shit, ma.

1932
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Trev Alberts just continues the interview like nothing happened, which

1933
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Bruce was okay, by the way. He went

1934
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: on to deny that it was any like drunken thing

1935
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'm not sure the deal there.

1936
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: But speaking of Bill's Mafia, Luke, how about this cheato

1937
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: vita cheato vera lookike taking a hard fall on a boat, Luke,

1938
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: We're on a damn boat.

1939
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: That's not cheating. Oh shit, yikes, Oh damn damn. These

1940
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 2: girls are wearing not much.

1941
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Yep, is that you? Is that coach loty?

1942
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: Nothing? Now that's it. Wow. This is like me when

1943
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: my in laws asked me to dance when I go

1944
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: to Columbia. I'm like, you know what you're gonna get here.

1945
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna get this.

1946
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna get cheeto vera through a table. Yeah, all right, Luke, Hey,

1947
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: let's move on here. Scorpion King Tryouts are back again

1948
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: for the sequel. Luke, Let's check out this dude at

1949
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the trampoline.

1950
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Jim, I don't know your gallbladder.

1951
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 2: Response to that, Luke, he said, I can't believe he's white.

1952
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 1: It seems it.

1953
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 2: Seems so out of out of character.

1954
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Luca's not often you can combine Scorpion King Tryouts and

1955
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Bill's Mafia on the same clip, But thanks to this youngster, Luke,

1956
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: here we go.

1957
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Let's see.

1958
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: Oh bah, all right, let's move on.

1959
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 2: Hey, that's a nice that's a nice jellyfish costume you

1960
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: got for Halloween.

1961
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: There kid a man after Luke Thomas's own heart Luke,

1962
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: forget about working out in your front yard. How about

1963
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: walking around the neighborhood. Luke, I'll tell you what. No

1964
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: one's gonna fuck with you.

1965
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: Bro Okay, but this is an actual exercise. I know

1966
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: you don't think that it is. This is called farmers carry.

1967
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: And he's got this. He's doing it exactly right. He's

1968
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: got the trap bar, which is perfect for it. You

1969
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: see his postures not hunched over, he's keeping his shoulders back.

1970
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: This is this is a legitimate I do this, by

1971
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: the way, with the exact same.

1972
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Bar around around your neighborhood around time.

1973
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, shirt off, it's too cold for that. And

1974
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: this guy's physique is nice, but for however old he is.

1975
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: But no, but it's a it's a real thing. It's

1976
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: a real thing, all right, all right. By the way,

1977
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 2: you can tell it. You can tell it's New York

1978
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: City because there's giant fucking mounds of trash bags just

1979
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 2: parked in the middle of the fucking street. So I

1980
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 2: don't know where this is in New York, but it

1981
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: looks a little I don't know Brooklyn Ish, sohe ish.

1982
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 2: Uh So there you go.

1983
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, Luke, People think all we do is bullshit on

1984
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: the show and make fun of people. They are wrong.

1985
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Check out this amazing dad right by the way.

1986
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: Before I get home, before I get dead. Wrong Farmer's walk,

1987
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 2: not farmers carry. I apologize, all right, Luke.

1988
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Check out this dad. His daughter needed a coke lear implant,

1989
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: so he got a tattoo on his own head to

1990
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: match to make her feel better. No trolling. Here a

1991
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: shout out to the dads. If you even think, Luke,

1992
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: that you're going to critique the artists rendering of this,

1993
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: you are a bigger a hell than I thought.

1994
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the best tattoo in terms of

1995
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 2: technical application, but in terms of sentimental application, it's a

1996
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 2: ten out of ten.

1997
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: It's a mister Hebos ten out of ten.

1998
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: Okay, no, that's us seven out of ten compared to this. Sorry,

1999
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 2: speaking of dad, hold on bc BC. The motherfucker not

2000
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: only got a tattoo, it's a smaller tattoo. He got

2001
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: it on his scalp, infinitely more painful than where Hebos's

2002
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 2: dad got it way more painful.

2003
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Look, I'm all about this parental support in love right here,

2004
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: all right. It touched me very deeply. Okay, thank you

2005
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: very much, Luke. Speaking of dads, we got a live

2006
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: shot of your dad, Rob Thomas, eighty year old on

2007
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: vacation in the Caribbean right now.

2008
01:31:54,920 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 2: Oh shit, Dad living it up. Go Dad, Go Dad.

2009
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: It's abs on this. Look at the abs on this

2010
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 1: whole Cogan wanna.

2011
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Be Luke, dude, this guy is uh. I can't tell

2012
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: if he's dying from some kind of disease, like it's wasting.

2013
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 2: It's like have you ever seen someone that looks like

2014
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: they have hgh, gut and als at the same time.

2015
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh good lord, Luke, all right, let's get out of this.

2016
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's got he's got he's got a

2017
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: roid belly, it looks like one, and his legs are

2018
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 2: stick thin.

2019
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Tip on tip time, Chad mends doing a signed giveaway

2020
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: on his Instagram account. Luke, look at that. You can

2021
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: receive this this hat from the uh the former Featherweight

2022
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Sensation just the tip though, Lukey promises, would you would

2023
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 1: you pay for this?

2024
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: No? No, I don't wear shit like that.

2025
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: All right, all right, they moved me. I liked it, Luke,

2026
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I uh I uh did I ever show you that

2027
01:32:52,880 --> 01:33:02,759
Speaker 1: time Roco Safreddi visited your your hometown of Doha. Wow,

2028
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: frocoh yeah, God, just just walking, just hiking through the

2029
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: desert there, Luke.

2030
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,480
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, wow, you know what. He's easy to track.

2031
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: All right. Finally, Luke, you asked me to show you

2032
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: my artwork last week and I refuse. I can do

2033
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: that today if you want. But uh, I know this

2034
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: is normally reserved for Wednesdays. But Scott m Rizzo creeped

2035
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: me out in a big way. It's so weird I

2036
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: had to run it now, Luke. He he's assuming this

2037
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: is my debut painting, and I'm just I'm not.

2038
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Comfortable with Wait is that my fucking hog? Dude? This

2039
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: is this is you think my als jokes? This is disturbing.

2040
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know how this made it through the

2041
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: sensors on our show, the producers, the people that run this.

2042
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 1: But this I am not. I am not endorsing this, looke.

2043
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 1: This is not this is not that's not my painting.

2044
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: That's not my art Did you did you did?

2045
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 2: Did you? Is this these things that your artwork was

2046
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 2: last week that you didn't want to show us and

2047
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: now you're being forced to. This is fucking Can you

2048
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 2: get this fucking dong off the screens. Please, this is

2049
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 2: fucking gross.

2050
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Luke. Do you want to see my artwork?

2051
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to see your artwork, as long as

2052
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 2: it's not that.

2053
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not. I did two over the weekend, Luke.

2054
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

2055
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: This one's called progress, Luke. Okay, so you know you

2056
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: can you can zoom in here and you know, make

2057
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: fun of me all you want, Luke. It's very abstract,

2058
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: it's very busy. But Luke, it's a lot of my

2059
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: feelings coming to life. Okay, Luke.

2060
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 2: Is this the shirt that Parker Lewis can't lose used

2061
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: to wear?

2062
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's I'm not trained, Luke. I'm

2063
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: just very emotional and abstract, and you know this is

2064
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: what was coming out of me.

2065
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 2: Luke. Okay, how do you how do you feel after

2066
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,879
Speaker 2: these are done, when you're when you've painted them?

2067
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Great, Luke. I got this other one. It's called a

2068
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: Watcher of the Skies, Luke, after the Great Genesis song

2069
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: with the same name.

2070
01:34:55,240 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's see. Well that's an interesting Yeah, that

2071
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: looks like, uh, what do you want to call it?

2072
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 2: That looks like a catfish sitting on Yeah, I don't know.

2073
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: It's like shit, But I mean, if it makes you happy, that's.

2074
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Look, this is why I I don't share art with you, okay, Luke,

2075
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,480
Speaker 1: all right, it's just you know, it's a self indulgence.

2076
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: It's just a way for me to communicate the the

2077
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, the the the feelings that that can't

2078
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: be can't be.

2079
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 2: Well, tell you what, when you come to d C

2080
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 2: for Brian's visit here, which we're going to make a

2081
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: documentary of, I'll take you to the National Gallery of

2082
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 2: Art and you can walk me through with pieces move

2083
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 2: you in which ones don't Well, start we'll start with

2084
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 2: that end up there. We'll start with the all new

2085
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: Mail Gallery.

2086
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, all right, look that's what I got.

2087
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: That's the share of the week, Luke. I will continue

2088
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: to hone my craft on my own time.

2089
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 2: Thank you? All right? Time for odds and Ends? BC?

2090
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: What do you got for odds and ends? Uh?

2091
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,799
Speaker 1: We you know we kind of shit on boxing earlier

2092
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: and it deserved it, Luke, it deserved it. Last Friday,

2093
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 1: there's a reason we didn't preview this card. Don King

2094
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: came out of hiding the eighty nine year old legend.

2095
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: Luke put on a pay per view card for twenty

2096
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 1: bucks from a empty casino in Miami in Florida, South Florida. There, Luke,

2097
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: this could not have been more bizarre. And so the

2098
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: deal was, you know those bootleg WBA titles, This is

2099
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 1: for one of the secondary heavyweight belts that kind of

2100
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, but sometimes we pretend it does. And

2101
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: this card went through a lot of changes at the

2102
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: last minute. Trevor Bryan stayed in, but his last minute

2103
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 1: opponent in the main event was like forty two year

2104
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: old Chubby Bermain Steverne Luke. You may remember him from

2105
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: his series with Deontay Wilder. The problem is Stevern was

2106
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 1: not ranked by the WBA to receive to be able

2107
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: to receive this title opportunity until the day of Luke

2108
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: when they needed an opponent. How convenient, right. The fight

2109
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: act actually wasn't full trash, but the card was. Don King,

2110
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: who is normally a hog for the camera, didn't appear

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Speaker 1: and Luke, do you know what the big call was

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Speaker 1: for this? The the big cherry on top. If you're

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Speaker 1: a boxing fan, come watch a meaningless heavyweight fight for

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Speaker 1: a secondary title and get three classic fights in the

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Speaker 1: Don King Library on the undercard including De la Joya Trinidad. Yeah, Luke, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is about as sad as boxing in pay per

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Speaker 1: view boxing gets. There's a reason why Don King has

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Speaker 1: not been around in a while, and sometimes there are

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Speaker 1: still fighters not smart enough to sign their life away

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Speaker 1: to him, and inevitably they end up in court battles

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Speaker 1: and unable to fight. There was some it was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be Manuel char fighting in the main event. Officially

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Speaker 1: he couldn't fly over because of COVID. There's some conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories that King legally kept him from coming over. Luke,

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Speaker 1: it's all a bunch of bullshit. Bananza, but Bermaid Steverne

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Speaker 1: was in a heavyweight title fight again on Friday and

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Speaker 1: people paid money to watch this on pay per view.

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Speaker 1: But hey, at least they got to watch De la

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Speaker 1: Joya Trinidad again.

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Speaker 2: Right, classics that you can find on YouTube. So for

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Speaker 2: my odds and ends, there's two shoutouts. We could have

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Speaker 2: done these in the point number five when the rundown,

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Speaker 2: but they were a little bit lower level. Let's see

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Speaker 2: on x MMA on Saturday night. After a four year

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Speaker 2: suspension from Usada, Francisco Rivera was back and he got

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Speaker 2: a thunderous ko win. Let's take a look at it here,

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Speaker 2: I actually did that. Let me see. Oh I think

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Speaker 2: it's a right hand RIVERA can fucking thump. He always could.

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Speaker 2: Let's see boys and girls. Oh hard leg kick.

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Speaker 1: Oh he looks ready to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly does, and it was nice to see

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Speaker 2: him back pushing this guy around. Scores a brutal ko

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I thought his career was done so but

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Speaker 2: not so. He appears to have a little bit of

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Speaker 2: life left in him. And you know, ah, there it

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Speaker 2: is wow and they pulled him off. So shouts to

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Speaker 2: Sue Francisco Vera. Also the Sun on Friday of Conan

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Speaker 2: silvera longtime att trainer, former MMA fighter himself is.

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Speaker 1: Josh guy called the guy we call Brazilian Shrek.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, uh, it's not it's not nice. I've had

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Speaker 2: him on my show. He's a nice person. But Josh Silvera,

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Speaker 2: Joshua Silvera, he's the son of Conan and he looked good.

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Speaker 2: He thought, uh BJJ black belt and submitted him. And

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Speaker 2: he's still you know, he's only I think four fights

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Speaker 2: into his career. By the way, shots to both lorda

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Speaker 2: Senko and uh, who's the my brain is not working.

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Speaker 2: The model who's the fighter? Alan ju Ban, Alan, Joe Ban, Jesus,

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Speaker 2: my brain doesn't work. Joe Ban and Senko make a

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Speaker 2: great team along with Ron Kruk for the LFA commentary

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Speaker 2: crew on Friday. And and so Rivera was at XMMA

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Speaker 2: on Saturday, but on LFA on Friday, which you can

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Speaker 2: see on the fight Pass. Josh Silvera. He looked really

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Speaker 2: really good dialed in, you know, super early in his career.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how things go, but might be a name

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Speaker 2: to pay attention to down the road.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hey, dude, Josh soil Vera. I mean you

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Speaker 1: could he grow up in a better environment between his

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Speaker 1: father's accolades and the ATT. Jim Luke, I kind of

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Speaker 1: expect big things from this guy.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, all right?

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Speaker 1: Well have you ever visited ATT? That is a well

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Speaker 1: friggin oiled machine down there, A lot of fun to

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Speaker 1: go visit, interview fighters and kind of just take in

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Speaker 1: the scene.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not been there. I've been dying to go.

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Speaker 2: It's on the bucket list for sure. All right, BC,

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Speaker 2: anywhere else anything else we miss? You have big plans

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Speaker 2: for the way.

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Speaker 1: To take a dump or something. You look very uninterested

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Speaker 1: and really just disappointed.

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Speaker 2: No, I just think the show is over all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Hey, when it's time to go, Look, it's time.

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Speaker 2: To go, time to go. Bro Uh Okay, if you

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Speaker 2: want to try Showtime, you certainly can. You can go

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Speaker 2: to showtime dot com free for thirty days. If you

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Speaker 2: like it, you can keep it. If not, go fuck yourself. Also,

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Speaker 2: we are all over social media. It's morning Combat in

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Speaker 2: the same name everywhere. YouTube dot com, slash morning Combat,

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Speaker 2: morning Combat on insta, morning Combat on Twitter. The names

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Speaker 2: for Brian and I differ a little bit from tw

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Speaker 2: Twitter to Instagram, so take a look there. Also, if

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Speaker 2: you have any submissions for fans, submissions for Wednesday show

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Speaker 2: or dead Wrong for Friday Morning Coombat at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 2: that's the place to go. Send them there. Don't send

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Speaker 2: them to me. If you want to get send them

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Speaker 2: to Brian. I don't know, but send them there, just

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Speaker 2: don't send them to me. And of course you want

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Speaker 2: some of that merch, you can go to store dot

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Speaker 2: show dot com. You can get hats, you can get

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Speaker 2: fucking you know, beanies, mugs, cups, shirts, hoodies, the whole

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Speaker 2: nine yards. But you can't get it if you don't

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Speaker 2: live actually literally next door to the factory, so.

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Speaker 1: Not yet, but we are fighting for that all seriousness.

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Speaker 1: There's the merch conversation is moving, so that's a good sign. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's finally moving again. Okay, Merch two point zero is coming.

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Speaker 1: It will be available internationally hopefully, fingers crossed.

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Speaker 2: That's the goal.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get there. We're gonna get these clothes on you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Also a bit of programming note, we're gonna do some

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Speaker 2: nice previewing for the next UFC pay per view. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna start putting some of the things in motion this week. Also,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna say who it is until

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Speaker 2: it's in the books, but I've got an interview where

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Speaker 2: I think someone you're gonna want to hear from later today.

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Speaker 1: So one of the ten best fighters in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can probably say that, and so

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to him a little bit later. Our fingers

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Speaker 2: cross everything works out, which we'll post today if it

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Speaker 2: actually happens, so we'll see how things go. Anything else,

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Speaker 2: we see what happened.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, somebody speaking in my ear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a documentary. It's a documentary. Got wait for

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Speaker 2: the documentary, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Ga gaff a great producer. In our ear,

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Speaker 1: the fans are very interested in Jay's future. You know,

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Speaker 1: tune in. Look. I have heard that that MK documentary

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Speaker 1: two point zero is is within two weeks of being ready.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you will get your answers then, so be on

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Speaker 2: the lookout for that. Bitches all right. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank everyone who watched today thumbs up, hit subscribe, thanks

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Speaker 2: to my Welco, thanks to Showtime, thanks to CBS Sports

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Speaker 2: for Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. We'll be back with

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Speaker 2: you on Wednesday, and until that time, may all of

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Speaker 2: your gains be loyal.