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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck.

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Speaker 1: He's older and fifty it turns out, and there's Jerry,

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Speaker 1: and this is short stuff and let's go.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: This is the case of a sort of a lesser known,

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Speaker 3: unsolved true crime murder. In fact, yeah, I hope that

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Speaker 3: didn't spoil anything. I don't think in this thing you

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Speaker 3: put together called it bizarre. I take issue with that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's bizarre at all. But it is

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Speaker 3: unsolved and interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think when you yes, you're right, No, it's

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Speaker 1: not bizarre, but it.

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Speaker 2: Had the episode of the Sopranos.

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Speaker 1: To me, it is unsung in that it doesn't even

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Speaker 1: have a Wikipedia page, no mention whatsoever on all of Wikipedia,

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Speaker 1: which is very surprising. But we're talking about the death

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Speaker 1: of a man named Charles C. Morgan who died in

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Speaker 1: May of nineteen seventy seven in the desert outside of Tucson, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and his death was, like you said, almost certainly a murder,

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Speaker 1: but it was pronounced suicide by the local sheriff, even

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Speaker 1: though the coroner was like, I don't know what this was.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else on the planet will tell you it's a murder,

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Speaker 1: especially once you know the details, which we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's just describe the crime scene. This guy

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Speaker 3: was found deceased at the scene wearing a bulletproof vest

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Speaker 3: from a gunshot wound from his own handgun to the

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Speaker 3: back of his head, and it did not have his

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Speaker 3: fingerprints on his own gun.

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Speaker 1: And it was laid beside his body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the sheriff was like, well, it looks like

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Speaker 2: a suicide to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, the guy put on surgical gloves and you know,

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Speaker 3: shot himself in the back of the head, as one does,

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Speaker 3: and then managed somehow to take those gloves off and hide.

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Speaker 1: Them exactly before me. He said, let's go get lunch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: His wife said, no, there's no way that this was

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Speaker 2: That's impossible.

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Speaker 3: And now we're going to tell you a little bit

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So he was an Escro agent, and the Escro agent,

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Speaker 1: as anyone who's ever bought a house knows, is the

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Speaker 1: person who holds the money. Yeah, they're this impartial third

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Speaker 1: party who follows a set of rules about keeping and

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Speaker 1: dispersing money. And basically once the sale of some high

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Speaker 1: if you're buying a bunch of gold or you're buying

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Speaker 1: be an Escro agent involved because you don't just hand

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Speaker 1: once everybody's signed and all the stuff is legal and set,

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Speaker 1: then the money gets sent out, but they hold it

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Speaker 1: in escrow. And by being an Escro agent, not just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like just putting money in escrow all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: it's got a little bit more legitimacy to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: easier to get away with something like that, probably as

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Speaker 3: an escrow agent, or at least certainly it was in

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven. Yeah, and that's what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it, you know, from all accounts, it

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Speaker 3: didn't seem like he was a bad dude. It seems

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Speaker 3: mafia got their you know, their finger in his pie.

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Speaker 1: What good one, man, I love that. That's the best

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Speaker 1: one since sniff them off the case.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: As it was coming out of my mouth, I knew

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Speaker 1: Seventeen years in and you're still you're still doing it. Man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. But he was doing this for the mafia.

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Speaker 3: And there's a a journalist for Unsolved Mysteries at the

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Speaker 3: time named Don Devereaux who basically was like, this guy

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Speaker 3: was helping the mafia launder money through Arizona as an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because again, like you said, just taking tainted money

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Speaker 1: It gives it legitimacy if the Escro agent isn't asking

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Speaker 1: with the help of Charles C. Morgan. And did you

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Speaker 1: say he oversaw a billion dollars with the transactions in

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars. That's what Don Devereux estimated that journalists

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Speaker 1: for unsolved mysteries. And like you said, he was a

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Speaker 1: He wasn't some scumbagg he wasn't a scale He seems

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Speaker 1: helping the mafia launder their money or organize crime. But

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Speaker 1: he was also a dedicated family man who cared very

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Speaker 1: we take a break and come back and really kind

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Speaker 1: of get into the sad story of Charles Morgan's death.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So surely there's other people out there who know

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Speaker 1: the story of Ruth Morgan, Charles Morgan's wife, the whole

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Speaker 1: thing starts in March of nineteen seventy seven, when all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, one day, Charles Morgan goes missing, and

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Speaker 1: he's missing for three days, and he finally turns back up.

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Speaker 1: But when he turns back up, he's not carrying like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's missing a shoe, his hands or zip tied together.

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Speaker 3: Set of zip ties that I guess he got out

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Speaker 3: is like, oh my god, the mafia has their.

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Speaker 2: Fingers in your pie.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I know what this means.

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Speaker 3: He was refusing to speak and wrote down on a

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Speaker 3: that could either drive him insane or his word, or

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Speaker 3: destroy his nervous system and kill him. So don't call

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I get the impression that he wasn't just

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Speaker 3: All right, we're in agreement then, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: Is it. No? I mean you would still absorb whatever

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What I really tried to dig up, and again there's

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Speaker 3: just not a lot. Is like, did he experience any

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I did see that Ruth nursed

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Speaker 1: it could have been you know, trauma from that, who knows.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't want her to call the cops because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, he was dedicated to his family, and

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Speaker 1: people write entire books about this few week segment of

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Speaker 1: Charles C. Morgan's life. That was the kind of trouble

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, super scary stuff. Obviously, after about a week,

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Speaker 2: And he wouldn't tell his wife what was going on.

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Speaker 3: And the excuse was like, Hey, I can't tell you

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Speaker 3: He might have hinted that he was a government agent,

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Speaker 1: Ask yeah pretty much. So things kind of, like you said,

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Speaker 1: I think he was gone nine full days before she

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Speaker 1: the whole case wasn't bizarre, Chuck, there's bizarre elements, and

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Speaker 2: No, no, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean this stuff is a little weird. She got

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Speaker 3: or I think she called him chuckyman. Chuck is okay,

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Speaker 3: He's all right. She also mentioned Ecclesiastes from the Bible,

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Speaker 3: chapter twelve, verses one through eight. This would pop up

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Speaker 1: Weird.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I can sum up is that it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like just sort of a scary, ominous

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, but it was also really odd.

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Speaker 1: up again after that. Right, So, this Ecclesiastes twelve cooling

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Speaker 1: not you, Chuck. I hate to even say that out loud,

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Speaker 2: That's right. Did you say that was in his underwear?

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I was leaving that for you.

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Speaker 3: It was clipped to the inside of his underwear. The

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Speaker 3: bill also had seven Hispanic last names written on it.

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Speaker 3: There was a map showing a known drug smuggling route

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Speaker 3: between Mexico and Tucson. Yeah, and then the founders on

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Speaker 3: that bill, the founders are signing the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 3: They numbered them one through seven, and then the biblical stuff.

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Speaker 3: They also found one of his teeth wrapped up in

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Speaker 3: you know, handwritten handwriting, and someone else's sunglasses were in

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Speaker 1: I've never seen any explanation for what his tooth was

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they intended to send it as like you would

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Speaker 3: a lopped finger, as a warning, and they have never

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Speaker 2: That'd be what I would say.

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Speaker 1: But why did he have it?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I mean, clear someone clearly was out there in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, but I mean left. There's not really

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Speaker 1: any bigger message that you could send. Rather than leaving

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Speaker 1: It's just strange to me, you know, I would even

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Speaker 3: Here's here's the scene, the two the two mafia guys

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Speaker 3: And you got the tooth to mail to the broad right, Oh, Vinnie,

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Speaker 3: I left the tooth.

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Speaker 2: You left the.

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Speaker 1: Tooth right, He said, I thought you said leave the

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Speaker 3: So that's what I think happened. But yeah, that that

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Speaker 1: She said maybe, she.

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Speaker 2: Said, but that's not important. She said.

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Speaker 3: I met with Chuck at a local motel recently. He

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Speaker 3: he was on the run. He had a briefcase, like

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Speaker 3: had a ton of money. He said that someone put

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Speaker 3: touch with the hitman to buy back that contract.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that did not happen.

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Speaker 1: No, And it's that's really just such a sad twist too,

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Speaker 1: had some hope. He had hoped that maybe, just maybe

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Speaker 1: does seem that he did have a contract out in

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Speaker 1: his life for real, that it was because he was

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Speaker 1: informing on the mafia to the FEDS, the Treasury Department specifically,

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Speaker 1: that journalist for Unsolved Mysteries, Don Devereaux, he posits, and

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Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense that the hitman did

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Speaker 1: get in touch with Chuck Morgan and said, I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: to tell you this, but I'm coming to kill you.

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Speaker 1: But you can get out of this if you buy

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Speaker 1: the contract. So you pay me what the mob's paying

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Speaker 1: me to kill you, you pay me to not kill you,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just call it even. And not only was

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Speaker 1: like that, this guy was so in over his head

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Speaker 1: so sad this this is just for some reason, this

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Speaker 1: one really gets me. I don't know if it's because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like I feel so bad that that

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Speaker 3: so you'll you'll betray the mafia if I just buy

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Speaker 3: you out of this thing, and they go, right, yeah, totally,

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Speaker 3: that's no big deal, right, and then he actually believed that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a what a awful way to die

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Speaker 1: I agreed, there's some other weird stuff to this case.

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Speaker 1: So I would suggest that anybody who is interested go

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Speaker 1: check it out. You can read a lot about it.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, Rip Chuck Morgan and short Stuff

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