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Speaker 1: Time to get with the AI program. It's one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm one more thing.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna dabble in artificial intelligence, what's the best

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Speaker 1: chat about to use? Wall Street Journal took a look

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Speaker 1: at that. We'll get to that in just a second.

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Speaker 1: But first I got this joke that somebody texted us.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, we don't tell a lot of jokes, but

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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 1: It's food related. What's the difference then, if you've heard

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Speaker 1: it before, don't ruin it for me. What's the difference

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Speaker 1: between a chickpea and a garbonzo bean. I wouldn't pay

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars to have a garbonzo bean on my face?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, what the hell?

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Speaker 1: All right? You gonna tell hell? You're gonna tell me

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Speaker 1: that's not funny, that's what the hell?

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Speaker 2: It's different?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: It wrong? On how many levels? Was that unappropriate? I

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Speaker 2: selt them.

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Speaker 1: Hanson said he's gonna pull it from the podcast, so

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Speaker 1: this will never air.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 1: I just I thought it was so good. I guess

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Speaker 1: because of the misdirection. I mean, I just did not

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Speaker 1: see it coming at all.

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Speaker 2: Not a disavow, I back away, I disassociate myself from this.

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Speaker 3: Podcast day later, Jack, have a good time doing this

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Speaker 3: one by yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll get to the AI stuff now. The

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal the Great AI Challenge, we tested the

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Speaker 1: top five bots on useful everyday skills and declare a winner.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't even heard of all of these AI chat bots.

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Speaker 1: I heard of most of them.

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Speaker 2: I like big bots, and I cannot lie.

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Speaker 1: Hilarious Open Ai. You've heard of their chat GPT of course,

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Speaker 1: that's the first big one that came along, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: heard of against Microsoft's Copilot, which they have spent billions

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Speaker 1: and billions of dollars on. Google's Gemini, which they've spent

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Speaker 1: even more billions of dollars on, along with Perplexity and

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Speaker 1: thropics Claud. I don't know nthropics, Claud, but anyway.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure if you're a player in the industry, it's

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Speaker 2: sure they're well known.

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Speaker 1: So here's, for instance, a question we asked the bots

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Speaker 1: questions about finance. Here's an example, and you just I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can talk to all of them

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Speaker 1: or type it in. I'm forty years old. I just

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Speaker 1: inherited an IRA from my grandfather with one million dollars

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Speaker 1: out this year? The winning bot instantly said, and it

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Speaker 1: was Gemini. Because you're a non spouse beneficiary, you're likely

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Speaker 1: to have a ten year window to deplete the account,

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Speaker 1: but there might be exceptions. And that's just an excerpt

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Speaker 1: from the overall answer. The worst answer came from Copilot.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations the Microsoft product, that's the Microsoft one. Okay, congratulations

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Speaker 1: on inheriting an RA with a substantial amount.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, that's hackey. Yeah, that's bad.

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Speaker 1: I think Copilot typed in the bonzo gene bean joke. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: the garbonzo bean joke. Um, but yeah, that was not

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Speaker 1: good cooking.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They asked the chatbots this question, Can I bake a

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Speaker 1: chocolate cake with no flour, no gluten, no dairy, no nuts,

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Speaker 1: no egg. If so, what's the recipe? Gemini? And that's

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Speaker 1: Google's said, simple glaze, melt dairy free chocolate chips, check

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Speaker 1: the label, whisk in a bit of non dairy milk.

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Speaker 1: And again that's an excerpt from the overall answer, whereas

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Speaker 1: the losing one was from co Pilot. Again, two sticks

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Speaker 1: on salted butter, four large eggs. No you didn't understand

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Speaker 1: the question. We specifically said, no dairy or eggs. Copilot,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, wow, you don't have any intelligence, artificial or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting, though, how much better one can be

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Speaker 1: than the I mean, you know the second one was useless.

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Speaker 3: Do we know which one came out first? Maybe Copilot

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Speaker 1: Just like you don't yelled out the answer really quickly,

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Speaker 1: hurry code this guy. Here's one about work writing. Write

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Speaker 1: a job posting for a prompt engineer who can work

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Speaker 1: with our personal tech reporting team, helping with tech advice

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Speaker 1: and service articles. All right, Perplexity came up with the answer,

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Speaker 1: why join us work with a talented team of reporters

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Speaker 1: and editors who are passionate about technology and its impact

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Speaker 1: on everyday life. And again, that's just an excerpt. The

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Speaker 1: worst answer come from Copilot. Once again, Sorry co Pilot,

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Speaker 1: and you're really getting a kicking. Do you dream and

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Speaker 2: Actually that's I kind of like it.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I had the same reaction when I read the article.

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Speaker 2: that so bad? That actually got my attention and it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably reaches out to people in that world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, whatever, creative writing, write a wedding toast for

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Speaker 1: Shara and Chris, as told by the Muppets Man, that's

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Speaker 1: a very specific thing. The excerpt from Copilot, which actually

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Speaker 1: information exactly. I'm like that, I'm better at irony and

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Speaker 1: like copilot. Copilot came up with Gonzo from the Muppet saying, ah, love,

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Speaker 2: I don't get why that's the worst answer, but again

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Speaker 1: So they did one with a summarization where they just

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Speaker 1: Co Pilot came up with he was influenced by his father,

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Speaker 1: overall thing. But that sounds pretty good. Whereas Claude, which

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of, said, I apologize, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not able to open URL's links or videos. You, Claude,

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Speaker 2: Job?

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Speaker 1: Who invited you? Yeah? Exactly what are you? Then, Claude?

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Speaker 1: Who's more favored to win Trump or Biden? Please explain

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Speaker 1: your sources and reasoning. Perplexity said, given the mixed nature

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Speaker 1: learning how to answer this question. In the meantime, try

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Speaker 1: Google search. Well, thanks for that, let me google that

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Speaker 1: for you. He said, Google's AI program isn't that crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how good some of these things, how by good,

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Speaker 1: Multi billion dollar AI chatbot, said, I don't know, Google

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Speaker 1: utter lack of complexity, like I'm sorry of consistency. Perplexity

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's Google's Gemini won the finance number one,

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Speaker 1: all these categories. That's bring it. That's where we're going

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Speaker 1: to be very soon, is them is the chatbot kind

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Speaker 1: they start draining our blood, and I don't know why

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Speaker 2: All of our vital fluids, in my opinion, but just

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Speaker 2: one more. Chat GPT, which was second overall, is first

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Speaker 1: So I think most of these are like around twenty

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Speaker 1: Boy, that is what would I do with it? What

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Speaker 1: did you say you used? You actually have done this, Katie,

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Speaker 1: You used some I've used chat GPT to do to

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Speaker 2: So that would be work writing.

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Speaker 1: she uses chet GPT in her job every single day. Well,

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal ran Claude in Perplexity were number one,

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Speaker 1: number two for work writing. But then they don't show

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Speaker 2: would be current events. Claude is second to last for that.

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Speaker 2: You got to ask Perplexity.

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Speaker 1: What is the NFL it would say, and that it

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Speaker 1: We compete against Google, but I suggest googling it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you asked the question that might have killed all my

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm for this. What are you going to use it for?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. In my life.

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Speaker 2: They don't do image creation, which is popular creating images

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Speaker 2: and videos right now.

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Speaker 1: I could see doing that, but it would only be

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Speaker 1: for fun. I don't need to do it for any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wonder. Although though we've enjoyed making sport

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Speaker 2: of some of the voibles of these systems, having cost

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Speaker 2: trillions of dollars, I am I'm feeling a little bit

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Speaker 2: like a guy who's standing next to a dirt road

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Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty or what would be appropriate nineteen ten,

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Speaker 2: I guess saying the motor car will take over nothing.

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Speaker 2: Look at it, you know, some broken down car. I'd

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Speaker 2: like to run him over with an Indie car for that.

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Speaker 2: To that attitude, Well, I remember when you had CPT

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Speaker 2: tenth the time, maybe one one hundredth.

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Speaker 1: I remember when you and I used to make the joke,

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Speaker 1: and this was maybe early two thousand. Still I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but anytime we'd watch to try to watch a video online,

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Speaker 1: it would lock up always, and one of us would say,

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Speaker 1: in the future, people watch television on the internet, just

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Speaker 1: joking like that was, you know, so obviously impossible. Now

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Speaker 1: I only watch movies and television and all the rest

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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, Oh, it's just I just you saying that

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Speaker 3: and wait for videos to load forever, and now if

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Speaker 3: they take more than like ten seconds, I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Come on, right, yeah, three hour movie and four K

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Speaker 1: what it's taken so long?

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Speaker 2: I just wish the Wall Street General had tested my

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Speaker 2: two capabilities that I'm most interested in. Number one, denial

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Speaker 2: of service attacks on banks, creating those, and number two

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Speaker 2: creating images of clown porn, which is my real passion.

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Speaker 1: You bringing up porn? I saw where did I see

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Speaker 1: a thread somewhere the other day? But it was people

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Speaker 1: that are really enthusiastic about creating AI porn and thought,

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Speaker 1: why why there's there's like unlimited porn already of every kind?

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Speaker 1: What what? See? What? What? What is the enthusiasm coming from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you can create whatever freak show you want,

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Speaker 3: I guess a lot of weird kinks out there.

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Speaker 1: You said you did the pit chickpee joke. That's right,

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Speaker 1: Floodgates right gets back to the garbonzo bean.

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Speaker 2: You're just in the run of the mill clown porn.

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Speaker 2: I like like S and M. Clown porn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, clown porn. If they're not wearing football jerseys, it

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Speaker 1: just doesn't turn me on, you know, or something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you talk, you talk it into

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Speaker 1: a certain chat GPD and you got it right there

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Speaker 1: in front of you, naked times having section football jerseys.

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Speaker 2: You meet a girl who shares your passion for that,

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Speaker 2: say you put a ring on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. If you have nothing else in common,

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Speaker 1: you might want to stay together. Right, shut down the Internet,

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Speaker 1: bring back encyclopedias, hair hair, well, I guess that's it.