1 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, we did not have a normal show 2 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Sunday night. Therefore we didn't have a normal podcast Monday morning. 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: But that's not on me. Just like when the national 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: championship games on a Monday night and you don't like it, 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: that's not on college football, that's on the NFL. Roger Goodell, 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: yet again refusing to move the AFC NFC Championship game 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: from Sunday. Therefore we had to bump our show. But 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: that's okay because that just means we get to do this, 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: which is podcast only. It's a little more free flowing, 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: a little more male. Baggy and I got a lot 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: to talk about. But man, since you and I have 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: not been able to speak, first thing we gotta do 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: is address this bombshell. And yes, it was a bombshell. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: Don't believe the casuals hoops to say otherwise. It was 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: a bombshell that went off in the Big Ten. You know, 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: the flavor up there, all of a sudden feels a 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: lot more cutthroat, doesn't it. Jim Knowles to Penn State 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: he did a YouTube video on it. If you hadn't 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: seen that, though, let's just discuss this for a second. 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Jim Knowles, defensive coordinator at Penn State. I got a 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: lot of buddies saying, oh, I'm not surprised. Yeah, well 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: I am, I am, and I was kind of read 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: in on what was happening here. Everybody's surprised by it. 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: You're not surprised if you've been paying attention to the 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: internet over the past seventy two hours, ninety six hours. Yeah, 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: I know the rumors had been floating around, But hit 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: the rewind button two weeks, hit the rewind button three weeks, 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and ask yourself, at any point in time, did you 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: look at your buddy to the left or right, if 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: you're an Ohio State fan or a Penn State fan 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: and saying Jim Knowles h buck guys and route to 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: a national championship. It looks like he'll probably be in 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: State College or Norman, Oklahoma or whatnot next year. No 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: one knew that, no one expected that. So let's not 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: try and dampen the mood in State College by saying, yeah, 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: big story, but everyone knew it was coming. So this 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: is a big deal. It's not some it's not some 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: slam dunk game changer. Doesn't guarantee Penn State anything. What 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: it does guarantee is they're all in, which are two 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: words that we've thrown around with Ohio State through the 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: entirety of last year. It's a theme that is going 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: to become very familiar in college football. I think the 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: familiar theme for whoever is at the finish line from 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: this point moving forward in college football will be all in. Now, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: you could say, well, Josh, when is a program won 46 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: a national title and not been all in? I'll grant 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: you that it takes a different kind of all in. 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: It's one thing for Alabama in the twenty teens to 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: win one after having been all in because we already 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: knew them to be that. What I mean is, you 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: could see some programs like Ohio State just did really 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: like Notre Dame almost did. But especially moving forward, you 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: may see some programs that haven't stacked a ton of 54 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: national titles that win one, and the story is they 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: went above and beyond the usual call of duty. They 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: went above and beyond what the norm had been. Ohio 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: State just did that. Talk all you want to about 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: how much money they spent on the roster or the 59 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: super coaching staff they went and put together. Yeah, that's 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: the point, Like Why would anyone denigrate that, Why would 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: anyone speak pejoratively about that. That's going all in, that's 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: putting all your chips to the table for that given year. 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: So Penn State looks to be doing that for this 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: upcoming year. It started when they had the loss. They 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: had to notre dame a lot of people. I saw 66 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: on a couple of message boards last night thought, I said, 67 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: that was a humiliating loss. No, I was on the 68 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: field for it. I saw how the game ended. I 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: meant the players felt humiliated afterwards because they felt they 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: gave the game away. So that's where it starts. That 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: just lights a fire in you even more so. Then 72 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: you got a bunch of players announcing they're going to 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: come back, reminiscent of what Ohio State had happened this 74 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: time last year. You've known behind the scenes at Penn 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: State for a little while. People are opening up their 76 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: checkbooks more. It's a night and day different theme in 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: terms of investment into the program from what it was 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: there a few years ago. Harked on that several times, 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I felt like no one's ever gonna feel sorry for 80 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: James Franklin. But I thought it was a little unfair 81 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: to a degree that he was being held to a 82 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: Ryan Days standard or a Kirby Smart standard or a 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: Nick Saban standard. At that time, people wanted Penn State 84 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: to compete for what those guys and those programs were 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: competing for. But he wasn't being given the resource. He 86 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: wasn't getting the yeses to the same questions and requests 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: that those coaches were getting yeses too. Well, now he's 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: a lot further down the road at the very least 89 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: on getting yes as to that. So this is not 90 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: it's not so much about salvation. It's not that Jim 91 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Knowles comes in and rescues the program. Penn State's defense 92 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: has been good, so Jim Knowles does not come in 93 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: as a savior. It's not really about salvation to me. 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: It's more about symbolism. It's about, yeah, the fact that 95 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: that dude's really good. He may be the best in 96 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: the sport at what he does. But Penn State doesn't 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: need saving defensively, but symbolically, what it means is going 98 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: to permeate well beyond just the defensive coordinator higher because 99 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: if you've got a program that's willing to spend that 100 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of money on a defensive coordinator. You've got a 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: program that's willing to spend in the portal. You've got 102 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: a collective of people, not just administratively, but the donor 103 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: class as well, that if you look at them and 104 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: say something like, we got to be better at receiver 105 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: and we got to do whatever it takes to get there. 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: Traditionally that has not been the Penn State way, and 107 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: it may still not be the Penn State way. You know, 108 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: every day of the week, But if it takes a 109 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: couple of moves per year, if it takes getting aggressive, 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: it just feels a whole lot more like that program 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: is on the path of being able to square that 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: than they ever have been before. I wrote down two 113 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: words on my notes over here. It feels so aggressive. 114 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: It feels like one of the more aggressive moves may 115 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: be the most aggressive move. I remember Penn State making 116 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: like I just said, they don't need saving defensively, but 117 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: you can go from good to great defensively. You could 118 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 1: do that. You just have to be all in. Now 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: is all in enough? I don't want people to get 120 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: confused on this. You can be all in and you 121 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: can lose. You know, you can be all in lose 122 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: three games, you still got to execute. You still got 123 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: to have the players, which Jim Knowles had in abundance 124 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio. But you know, Knowles was a studd 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: in Stillwater, Oklahoma as well. And I didn't see them 126 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: littering the first round. I didn't see them lighting up 127 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: the board on national signing days. So this is a 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: guy who's performed without elite ingredients around him. So he 129 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: has plenty of them in state college. So I won't 130 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: worry about that so much. But I do think that 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: the way, how should I put this, I don't want 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: to go overboard. I think the way we look at 133 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: Penn State football, given how aggressive they were just willing 134 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: to be on this hire, could be changing a little bit. 135 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: So here's what I mean. That we're coming out of 136 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: the Saban Bama era where they had a window that 137 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: was every year. Georgia under Kirby right now, you assume 138 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: they'll contend every year, Sark Texas, Ohio State Ryan Day. 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: You assume those programs will contend every year. The same 140 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: will be assumed about Dan Landing at Oregon, Okay. So 141 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: those are not window programs. Now. I think of old 142 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: miss A little bit more as a window type program, 143 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: a program where they sort of have to build towards 144 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: it and they better get it done in this year 145 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: or the next year, because then the window will close, 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: and then they got to build back towards it. Penn 147 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: State's felt a little bit more like a window program. 148 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Penn State hasn't been a perennial player in the national 149 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: championship picture. They've sort of been on the outside looking them, 150 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: and it always felt like if they make a run 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 1: at a title, you'll kind of see that season coming 152 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: from a little ways off. So this past season was 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: one of them. They didn't win the title, they didn't 154 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: play for it, but it felt like they made a 155 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: little bit stronger push towards it. And then, you know, 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom was they got one more shot twenty 157 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: twenty five, and if they don't get it done next year, 158 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: then the window may close. Hey, maybe it won't, because 159 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: the symbolism behind hiring Jim Knowles is that if we're 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: willing to be that aggressive there, maybe we're just willing 161 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: to be that aggressive as a program. And if you're 162 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: that aggressive as a program, your recruiting efforts are going 163 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to change your portal effectiveness is going to change your 164 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: ability to staff, which they already do very good. But 165 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: staff at an elite level is not going anywhere. And 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, forget what Penn State has been for 167 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: a second, because this is a program that's been b 168 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: plus for a long time. They don't have to take 169 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: leaps and bounds to be a real legitimate national championship contender. 170 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't miles, it was just feet, you know. It 171 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: wasn't yards, It was inches here and there. Maybe that 172 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: mentality collectively could make the difference here. So as for 173 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: how this went down, I do want to encourage my 174 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: Penn State folks to just hit mute for a second. 175 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: This is the part that may make you angry. It 176 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't because I would have done the same thing if 177 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: I were you. Man. If I'm up there and I'm 178 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: running the program, if I'm James Franklin and I've got 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: the money, I'm paying whatever it takes to hire him. 180 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: Not only do I land a top tier defensive coordinator, 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I take them away from a team that I got 182 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: to go through two maybe three times in a season 183 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: if I want to reach the apex. So what I'm 184 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: about to say has nothing to do with Penn State. 185 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: What I'm about to say has something to do with 186 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: college football. Penn State folks were a little bit too 187 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: close to this situation, probably to listen to this and 188 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: view it rationally. So for the first time ever, I 189 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: encourage you to just hit mute for a second. Okay, 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: I hate this for college football. I just hate that 191 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: it happens. This is the competitor in me, This is 192 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: the guy that appreciates the tradition and the brands and 193 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: how they should view each other. In the NFL, I 194 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: watch this stuff happen all the time, and I don't care. 195 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: Rivalries are not real to me in the NFL, only 196 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: because I view rivalries through the prism of college football 197 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: and compared to college football and the hatred that exists 198 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: in this sport, game doesn't hold a candle to it. 199 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: So I've never cared about coaches going from one place 200 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: to another. But in college football, man, if you're the 201 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that just took a bite out of a 202 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: national championship at Ohio State and then a few days 203 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: later you're at Penn State, I hate that. I've hated 204 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: the staff moves between Ohio State and Michigan even more. 205 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: I understand what the counter to that is. Everybody who 206 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: made those moves could call me right now and walk 207 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: me through the lodgic covered and on an individual level, 208 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: I know it would make sense. I know that it 209 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: doesn't change the fifty thousand foot more holistic view that 210 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I have of college football. I just wish there were 211 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: some things that were off limits, not legally, not rules wise. 212 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: I wish you didn't need a rule to tell you 213 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: don't be taking defensive coordinator jobs in the same conference 214 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: that you're already a coordinator in, especially when you're at 215 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: the APEX program in the conference that has nothing to 216 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: do with Ohio State and Penn State. I would feel 217 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: the same way if someone had just left Texas and 218 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma, or someone went from Oregon to USC 219 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: I would hate it. Okay, Penn State folks, let me 220 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: check back in now. Was there a little bit of 221 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: staff drama around this whole thing at Ohio State? Yeah? 222 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: Pretty confident in saying that nationally, you may not be 223 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: aware of this. I know my Ohio State folks have 224 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: probably been aware of it for a long time. Penn 225 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: State folks may have recently become aware of it. It's 226 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: no secret around Columbus that Larry Johnson's an institution at 227 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: Ohio State, and he may not have always seen eye 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: to eye with Jim Knowles. I mean, I think probably 229 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: when Knowles got there, there was a long time before 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: he even had full autonomy of the defense. You got 231 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: a guy his tenure as Larry Johnson. This is not 232 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: the only place this dynamic exists, by the way, and 233 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: you've got some override ability with some decisions that are 234 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: going to be made about your unit, specifically the defensive line. 235 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Whatever happened there and then however it changed, and then 236 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: whatever happened after the Oregon game, the first one this year, 237 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: when they went to Eugene and lost and underperformed pretty 238 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: significantly defensively, I think it was pretty obvious. Hey, whatever 239 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: internal strife happened, whoever had to jump down someone's throat, 240 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: it worked because defensively they looked a lot better, and 241 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: then it culminated with them looking incredible in the postseason, 242 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: which is the way they always should have looked. So 243 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: whatever feelings got hurt there, it was for the greater good. 244 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Because I don't care if Jim Knowles and Ryan day, 245 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: never talk again. Both of them have national championship rings, 246 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: every single one of y'all in Columbus and around the country, 247 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: just Buckeye Nation in general. You guys got a national 248 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: championship out of it. I think one of the biggest 249 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: shocks that people would have if you could have the 250 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: view that I get to have of this sport, which 251 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm so blessed to have, if you could get that view, 252 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that would shock you 253 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: the most about college football is how rarely there is 254 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: harmony amongst the coaching staff. These are the best at 255 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: what they do in the world, and when you get 256 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: to a place like Ohio State, you're the best at 257 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: what you do at one of the premiere programs and 258 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: institutions in the sport. So it attracts alpha personalities, and 259 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: believe it or not, everyone thinks their way is right now. 260 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: The best are open to being coached and taught and learning. 261 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: But really, when you get thrown into the fires of competition, 262 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you all think you're doing it the right way, and 263 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: then you have butting of heads. Not to mention, you 264 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: have really strong personalities in that room in general, and 265 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: I've got news for you I've watched teams win a 266 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: national championship knowing full well there are coaches on this 267 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: staff that have come to blows during the season. There 268 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: are coaches who have had to be pulled apart during 269 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: the season, and those are the teams winning titles. So, 270 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: what happened in Columbus, Ohio, and if the story ever 271 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: gets fully told this year or not, whatever happened happened. 272 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: It's not unique to Ohio State. It's a huge testament 273 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: to Ryan Day and the program he runs that they 274 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: overcame it anyway. I mean, that's some of the most 275 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: incredible aspects of college football is overcoming adversity. You just 276 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: sometimes think of adversity as, oh, we're minus two in 277 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: the turnover battle late third quarter and we're down to 278 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: a team we're favored by seventeen points against. Sometimes the 279 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: adversity is my running backs coach and my secondary coach 280 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: hate each other and it's really causing friction in the 281 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: staff room. Now, this is purely theoretical. It's not Ohio 282 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: State that stuff. That's it's always really entertaining for me 283 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: to watch. It's kind of not entertaining. It's amazing for 284 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: me to watch, so hidden aspect of this. Yeah, this 285 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: is big for Penn State fans. Yet's big for James Franklin. 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: It symbolically, I think indicates Penn State's ready to be 287 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: more aggressive than they've been in a long time. You 288 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: know who else? This is good for Andy Kolniki, whose 289 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: name I have not really heard much today. He was 290 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: a first year coordinator offensively for Penn State. This past 291 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: year they were pretty good. He came over there from Kansas. 292 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: I think he'll do good things in year two and 293 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: beyond as well. But let me tell you what Andy 294 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: Kolenick gets. He gets to be paired now with a 295 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and Jim Knowles that allowed him zero touchdowns 296 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: in his last twenty one possessions against so Back when 297 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: Knowles was at Oklahoma State, Coldal Nicky was up a Kansas, 298 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: they went at each other a couple of times. When 299 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: Knowles is at Oklahoma State, Knowles and Colal Nicky have 300 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: gone against each other a couple of times and Noles 301 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: shut him down. It is a huge benefit for someone 302 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: who has had your number that thoroughly to now be 303 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: on your team, to now be wearing the same logo 304 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: on the polo you never know, You never know what 305 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: difference that could have made. And I'll tell you this, 306 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: Oklahoma was in the mix here as well. It is 307 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: a huge deal for Oklahoma not to land Jim Knowles. 308 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Because you want to see something impressive, go back and 309 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: watch Jim Knowles's recent history against Steve Sarkisian, all the 310 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: way back to his days at Oklahoma State up to it, 311 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: including this last matchup they had in the playoff and 312 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl. You go look at what Jim Knowles 313 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: had done defensively against Steve's Sarksian and you tell me 314 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been a huge deal even past the 315 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: surface for Oklahoma to land him. So they didn't. Penn State, 316 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: does you take a big name from Ohio State. You 317 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: add a big name in your stable, but you also 318 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: probably do your offensive coordinator a big favor. First thing 319 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: I would do if I were Andy Colten Nikki, Can 320 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: I get his number? Polease? Can I get in a 321 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: room with him as soon as I can? So the 322 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: Big Ten has changed, was my last thought. The Big 323 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Ten's really changed. The Big Ten used to be such 324 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: a gentleman's club recruiting wise, You guys, oh, you guys 325 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: got a verbal from him, we'll back off, We'll back off. Hey, 326 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: can we have permission to talk to your defensive coordinator? No? Okay, 327 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: fair enough, friend, We'll see you Big Ten media days. 328 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: How are you kids. It's cut throat up there now, 329 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: which is what it's been like in the SEC for 330 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: a long time. So remember a couple of years ago, 331 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: the money that was being poured into this conference increased 332 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: several off Old and I did I don't know how 333 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: many segments we did. We did several segments on the 334 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: show where I told you that there was there was 335 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: a very clear edict. There was a very clear message 336 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: that had been sent around the Big Ten, and that 337 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: was your product's got to be better. And it wasn't 338 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: really so much aimed at Ohio State or even Michigan. 339 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: It was aimed at the rest of the Big Ten. 340 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: The place is that perennially had not been contenders that 341 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: should be. And the message was you guys got to 342 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: take this stuff more seriously. And the reaction was, like 343 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: every one of us wants to win. But the response 344 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: was no, you you want to win. We want you 345 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: to need to win like your life depends on it, 346 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: Like you you're going to be miserable the rest of 347 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: your days if you don't win, Cause that was the 348 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: money that had been poured into the SEC, and that's 349 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: the product the SEC had delivered. And it was very 350 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: much t shirt down south, sweater vest up north. And 351 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: that had to change, and it's changed. Look at the 352 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: way Nebraska hired when they got rid of Frost. They 353 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: were very aggressive, and they went and got Matt Ruhle. 354 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Look at the way Wisconsin hired. Paul christ used to 355 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: be good enough, he wasn't anymore, and they went and 356 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: got Luke Fickle. But you look at the attitude even 357 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: amongst some of these places that already were Ohio State 358 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: already was, but they were never as aggressive as they 359 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: were last year. And then the Michigan run. Think about 360 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: how aggressive they were, and think about how much they 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: pushed things relative to what Michigan had been. And look 362 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: at Penn State right now. Do you ever think Penn 363 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: State would be winning this kind of battle. It wasn't 364 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: just trying to get him from Ohio State and Notre 365 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: Dame wanted him, Oklahoma wanted him, Penn State got him. Now, 366 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: what I'm intionted in is do they make similar haul 367 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: do they make similar pulls in talent acquisition. That's the 368 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: next thing I'm paying attention to that. Jim Knowle's you 369 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: know wide eyes that you a lot of you had 370 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: at least when that news broke. Do you have that 371 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: when you see Penn State landing a big name wide 372 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: receiver or two. That's the next thing we want. But 373 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: first things. First, big day for Penn State, Big day 374 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: for James Franklin. I still do not quite agree with 375 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: you guys that next year is national title or bust. 376 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: But we are getting a little bit closer to that territory, 377 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: so I will at least entertain that. Now, good day, 378 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: good day to be a Nitney Lion. So with that 379 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: in mind, now we can dive into, you know, the 380 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: normal mail bag. Like Jeff had this question two weeks ago. 381 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: I never got around to it. From Santabel, Florida. Jeff said, 382 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: how realistically? He says, realistically, how do we get rid 383 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: of the network executives who are ruining college football? Jeff, 384 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: we got to be case by case on this. It's 385 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: no different than if you're talking about missioner, or you're 386 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: talking about anyone else. A school teacher, for all I 387 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: care not every school teacher in the school makes your 388 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: education existence miserable. Not every TV network executive is out 389 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: for the worst interest of the sport. It's a mixed bag. 390 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I deal with some of these folks. I can tell 391 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: you there's some folks who are pulling those strings in 392 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: the network side of things that love college athletics, that 393 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: grew up in it. Some of them played it, believe 394 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: it or not. A few of them coached it. I 395 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: don't think any notable names per se. But my point 396 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: there is it's not a bunch of boogeymen. I have 397 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: my issues as well as you do, obviously, Jeff, with 398 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: some of the ways that they go about things. I 399 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: don't like some of the motivation behind it. But you know, 400 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: Jim Ross used to always say on Monday Night Raw, 401 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: you never judge a man until you walk a mile 402 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: in his boots. First thing you gotta do is be 403 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: a little understanding about the position they're in. I'm not 404 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: carrying water here. CBS is not standing just off to 405 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: the side of the podcast microphone ready to toss me 406 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: out of the window. I'm just saying, in a very 407 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: general sense, no matter what network or company you're talking about, 408 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: it's no different than when we talk about commissioners. You know, 409 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: a lot of folks wanted to demonize Greg Sanki because 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: he added Texas and OU, a move that I did 411 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: not like. I actually hated what that move meant for 412 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: college football. But when it comes to Greg Sanki making 413 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: the move, you kind of needed to understand the context. 414 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Remind you again, this is coming from me, a person 415 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: who hated that for what it did college football. I 416 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: like the regionality of college football. But if you understand 417 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: the position Greg Sankie was in, his job is to 418 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: look out for the best interest of the SEC and 419 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: to answer to his university presidents. Believe it or not, 420 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: commissioners do have bosses, and the president of South Carolina, 421 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: the president of A and M, the president of Alabama. 422 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: Those are the people he has to answer to. So 423 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: they want to make as much money as possible. Greedy, 424 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: I know, but they want to make as much money 425 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: as possible. So Greg Sankee is presented with two choices. 426 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: Pretend you're him for a second. You are presented with 427 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: the idea that not knock hello, who is it? It's 428 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: Texas and OU. We want to join the SEC. Uh, 429 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: don't you guys think you should stand in the big twelve. 430 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, Greg, let us rephrase, let us in the 431 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: sec or our next call will be to the big 432 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: ten and we know that they'll accept us. Okay, that's it. 433 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: What if those were your only two options? How do 434 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: you make a choice there that makes someone like me happy? 435 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: The answer is you don't. So you got to play 436 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: the heat position. You got to be the bad guy 437 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: well in the network role, in the executive role, sometimes 438 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: you're making decisions that may rub college football fans the 439 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: wrong way. But if you could see the whole picture, 440 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: those people are making decisions sometimes that if they didn't 441 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: make them, would get them fired. Like Sankee's out of 442 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: a job if he has the opportunity to add Texas 443 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: and know you and he passes and they go to 444 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: the Big ten. A lot of these folks at these 445 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: networks are out of a job if they're not making 446 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: the decisions that they have to make. Now, maybe they're 447 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: happily making them, or maybe they're begrudgingly making them, but 448 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: they're still making them. And also remember this, remember my 449 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: biggest gripe about this whole playoff setup has been not 450 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: even expansion itself. I'm over that. That's its own podcast, 451 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: that's its own show. But as it relates to the 452 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: expanded Playoff, one of the things I look forward to 453 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: once I heard that we were going to twelve was Ooh, 454 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: that'll be interesting because one of the things the NFL 455 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: does that I do like is everyone has a piece 456 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: of the playoff action. Therefore, it's in the best interest 457 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: of all the networks to sort of circularly promote the 458 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: playoff and the Super Bowl. Well, in college football, ESPN 459 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: owns the exclusive rights to the entire thing, and aside 460 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: from sub licensing a couple of early games to Turner Sports, 461 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: which ESPN still owns. Not Turner, they own the game, 462 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: they're sub licensing it out. ESPN owns the entire thing, 463 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: which means the rest of the networks have very little 464 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: incentive to promote the postseason, to promote the product, to 465 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: raise awareness, to magnify and amplify the championship game as 466 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: it gets closer. And that is why I thought we 467 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: got to last Monday Night. It's not the sole reason, 468 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: but I think it was one of the reasons that 469 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: awareness and viewership was really down compared to what I thought. 470 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: That kind of game would do. So those are minor things, 471 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: but those are things that you know in a TV 472 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: network executive's role, some of that stuff's just out of 473 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: your control. Picture this, Jeff, Picture this. Let's say you 474 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: are running programming for ESPN and you have the opportunity 475 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: to acquire the entire playoff contract. What would you do? 476 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: Would you really look your investors in the eye, would 477 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: you really look your bosses in the eye and say, well, 478 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to exclusively own the most valuable 479 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: property in all of college athletics. But I really think 480 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: Fox should have a game. I really think CBS should 481 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: have a game. I really you don't think anything else. 482 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: You're being asked to clean out your desk and leave. 483 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: You're fired, you know. So there really is no world 484 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: where college football is going to flourish and everyone looks 485 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: like the good guy. It's just never gonna happen. Let's 486 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: go next up here. I just full disclosure. I had 487 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the JP pole. To save 488 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: you all, I am not going to answer a question 489 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: about the JP pole other than to say I'm not 490 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: quitting the JP pole, not even close. If anything, this 491 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: has only strengthened my resolve. Now, my goal here is 492 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: to provide a different kind of product than anyone else. 493 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Does you know what I've already talked about this too long. 494 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: Let me just say I'm not stopping. Okay, we're full 495 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: LEO on this. We're not going anywhere. I'm not leaving. 496 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: Let us go to Curtis who is in Charlotte, North Carolina. 497 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: Which surprises you more? Next year, Auburn makes the playoff 498 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: or Florida makes the playoff. Auburn making the playoff would 499 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: surprise me a little bit more. Both would mildly surprise me. 500 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: Neither would shock me. We've got twelve teams in the 501 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: field now. Of course, the SEC just missed out last year, 502 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: which means I think they'll probably find a way to 503 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: make it in maybe one team more than expected this 504 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: upcoming year, although I have no evidence to base that 505 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: on other than the allegations that this is an SEC 506 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: homer show, which haven't been proven, but they also haven't 507 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: been dismissed, so you know, I can't speak on it obviously. 508 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Legally I can't speak on it because the investigation public 509 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: investigation is still ongoing. I would be a little bit 510 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: more surprised if Auburn made it only because when I 511 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: watched Florida this past year, they finished so strong that 512 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: it made me think, hey, if we just started the 513 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season right now, that probably end up 514 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: going on a run. Whereas Auburn, uh, not so much. 515 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: Auburn was one of those you kind of have to 516 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: shake the etch of sketch box, wipe the image completely clean, 517 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: and then start doing what everyone does in spring, that 518 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: is just develop hope again. That's what spring is for 519 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Spring is a rebirth in so many ways. I know 520 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: it's twenty four degrees where some of you are right now, 521 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: but trust me, you know, atmospherically, meteorologically speaking, spring will come. 522 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: It has happened every year I've been on this earth 523 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: thirty eight years, and in my thirty eight year career, 524 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: spring has come every single time of year that it's 525 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: supposed to come. So spring will come in Auburn, and 526 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: with it, renewed optimism will come and you will start 527 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: to build yourself off on the idea that Jackson Arnold 528 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: is not going to be turned over. Pro and Hugh 529 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: Freeze's three top twenty recruiting classes, including two inside the 530 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: top ten, will start to pay off, and these portal 531 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: editions will really find their groove. And Auburn hosts Alabama 532 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: and Georgia this year, and you know the drill, We 533 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: do this every year. This is preview magazine stuff, classic 534 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: preview magazine stuff. At Florida. Though there's a lot more 535 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: tangible reason. I think I saw a lot more from 536 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: them at the end of the year. I know DJ 537 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: Lagway is going to be back. Now with that comes 538 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: a ton of expectation. I feel the same way about 539 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: sellers up at South Carolina, like, Yeah, you're gonna have 540 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: a ton of expectation. You're gonna have a ton of 541 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: hype and praise thrown in the lapse of guys who 542 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: really have done nothing on the grand stage. They've done nothing. 543 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: They had good finishes to seasons last year, but in 544 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: terms of what you really want to accomplish, they've done nothing. 545 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: So you've got to manage that. And there's only one 546 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: way to know how they'll do it. Let's watch them 547 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: and how they do it. 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We got to be 567 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: adults about this, okay. If you don't have the requisite 568 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: level of maturity, you need to hit fast forward for 569 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: about five minutes because I don't need any Ooh gross 570 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: when I answer this question. Honestly, I don't have to 571 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: do this, but I'm doing it anyway. Kelly hits me 572 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: up scenario for you. JP. Buddy and me get uber 573 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: eats the other day. It's pretty expensive. We're almost done 574 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: with our food, and he realizes he's got a hair 575 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: in it. He finishes it anyway, after setting the hair aside. 576 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I think he's a psycho. What do you think? Okay, listen, listen, 577 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm leaning in. I hope you can hear me. Okay, 578 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: he's not a bad person because of this. He's not 579 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: a gross person because of this. He's just a person. Okay. 580 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: He made his decision. He made his choice. Kelly, And 581 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I have been there. I've 582 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: been there. I order out a lot. I will say, 583 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: on average, what do I come up on? About two 584 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: or three highs a year. High as the plural of hair, 585 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: of course, so two or three highs per year. I 586 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: would be lying if I said I haven't looked the 587 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: other way on a wayward hair every now and then. 588 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: Now you need to know that I have a world 589 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: renowned immune system. My immune system's really been through some stuff. 590 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: It's more fortified than Fort Knox. So I mean, think 591 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: about it. I've been doing this show like five years now. 592 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: What is the only thing you have known to take 593 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: me down? Literal food poisoning, which a dragon couldn't overcome. 594 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: So other than that, I've been pretty strong. Okay, So 595 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: I think I should be listened to, maybe even more 596 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: so than some doctors. I think legally I have to 597 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: tell you this is not official medical advice. I think 598 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: I have to do that just in case. I'm telling 599 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: you this is not legal medical advice, but it is quasi. 600 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: It's like internet based medical advice. It's like swamp doctor 601 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: medical advice. I think I should be listened to because 602 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: I hardly ever get sick, and I get two sniffles 603 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: per year and I hide it on air. Maybe I 604 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: lose my voice because I yelled too much at a 605 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: game on a Saturday, But other than that, I'm good 606 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: to go. So my strategy has always been expose your 607 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: immune system to a little bit. I'm not telling you 608 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: to eat the hair. I'm just saying if I spend 609 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: a lot of money on the food, I'm not gonna 610 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: be able to take it back to the front desk 611 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: you ordered out. It'd be different if we were in 612 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: a restaurant, but we're not. We're at our apartment at 613 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: ten thirty eight on a Saturday night, and it already 614 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: took the food an hour to get there. Plus, what 615 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: are you really gonna do take pictures of a hair 616 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: in your food and go through Uber Eats. No one's 617 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: doing that. So what I've done in this situation is 618 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: you either cast the food aside and it's PB and 619 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: J that night, or you cast the hair aside and 620 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: you eat the rest of the food. Now, of course 621 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a savage. You cordon off the area where 622 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: the hare could have touched the food, and you just 623 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: eat the food on the outer perimeter. Again, just basic stuff, 624 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: But I'm not throwing the entire dish away, especially if 625 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm only halfway done and I'm really hungry. And to 626 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: be honest, I'm looking around the rest of the room 627 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: and I know you guys are looking at me. Some 628 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: of you are listening right now, and you're you're casting aspersions, 629 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: probably either saying hateful things out loud or you're thinking 630 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: them about me. But that's okay. Raise your hand if 631 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: you've been sick less than me over the past five years. 632 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't see any hands, so I think at the 633 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: very least I'm qualified to answer the question. He's not 634 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: a psycho. He's just he's a little bit more confident 635 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: in his immune system, Kelly. Or maybe he's a little 636 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: bit hungrier, a little bit more desperate. You think that. 637 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: You think you watch those shows about cavemen. You think 638 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: you watch shows about outdoorsmen living in the rugged frontier. 639 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: You think they didn't have to bite the bullet of 640 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: time or two on a hygiene when it came to cuisine. 641 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: Of course they did. I'm glad we had to cover 642 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: that today. We'll think a lot of us are better 643 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: for that. Some of you are worse for it, but 644 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: a lot of us are better for that. Uh. Where 645 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: was that question about officiating? Let me scroll, Let me scroll, 646 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: let me scroll. Okay, so Jeff was asking it's a 647 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: long question, but basically he was saying, since we've seen 648 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: corruption with chiefs games when it comes to officiating, and 649 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: we've seen how bad college football officiating has been this year, 650 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: are we ready to say football is rigged? No, we 651 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: are not ready to say football is rigged. Are we 652 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: ready to say this is me talking now, are we 653 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: ready to say there is some inconsistency in officiating? Well, 654 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: I've always said that. Now I think college football ended 655 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: up not looking as bad as the NFL this year 656 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: because in the NFL, there's a design behind it. In 657 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's almost like everything works back towards the 658 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: North Star, and that is we got to get Kansas 659 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: City in the Super Bowl. I'm not saying, I'm just saying, 660 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: and it's a shame because they're a really good team. 661 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: But all I see anyone talking about is officiating when 662 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: they're probably plenty good enough to win on their own. Now, 663 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: remind you, I don't watch a bunch of NFL, So 664 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: you could push back on this with me, and maybe 665 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at anecdotal examples. I freely admit I 666 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: could be falling victim to Internet Twitter outrage culture. I 667 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: could be a victim of that. I could be in 668 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: college though, what Jeffrey was pointing out he mentioned a 669 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: few teams here that get all the calls. That doesn't 670 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: exist in college. Jeff I promise you it doesn't. I 671 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: promise you it does not. And I know a lot 672 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: of you need to listen here. I used to be 673 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: one of you. I used to have like four or 674 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: five teams in my head that I thought always got 675 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the call, they always got the big break. It's not true. 676 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Bama was one of them that I thought was always 677 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: getting the breaks. It was actually the opposite, which boggles 678 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: your mind until you go look at the research. And 679 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: Ohio State this year was another good example. Go look 680 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: at the data. The data is incontrovertible. The numbers can't lie. 681 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: In this case, stats do not lie. Stats sometimes do lie, 682 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: but in this case, the cold hard numbers and data, 683 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: they do not lie. Those teams get penalized more or 684 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: on the other hand, their opponents get penalized less. And 685 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: what's happening there is It is bad officiating, but it's 686 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: just totally randomized. And believe it or not, this is 687 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: going to absolutely gobsmack some of you. So I need 688 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: you to ten and two on the steering wheel here, 689 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: or maybe just pull over if it's safer. The brand 690 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: name teams in college football, believe it or not, are 691 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: victimized by officiating more than they are helped by it. 692 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: And at the very least statistically, it ends up being 693 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: a wash and there's certainly no evidence that they're disproportionately benefiting. 694 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: Here's what happens, and I can use I can use 695 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: data to back everything I just set up. By the way, 696 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: I can't show it to you because we're on an 697 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: audio format here. But we've gone through this on the show. 698 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes someone will make an allegation. So and so always 699 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: gets bailed out by the refs. I bring the numbers. 700 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: It's incontrovertible data. Ohio State was a perfect example this year. 701 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: They got shafted in officiating. They just still won the 702 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: national title anyway, But I bring that, and then people 703 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: just want to put their fingers in their ears because 704 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: you really want to believe there's a reason they're winning 705 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: other than they were better than you, which I get. 706 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: I just told you I've been there with you before. 707 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: I used to think that about Alabama all the time, 708 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: but I was wrong about them. Obama was not being 709 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: propped up or bailed out by officials. But what happens 710 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: is you want to believe they are so guess which 711 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: memories last in your mind. The memories of them benefiting 712 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: from a call are what stand out over the rule. 713 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: The exceptions stand out in your mind and the rules don't. 714 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: For instance, in your own personal life, Let's say you 715 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: and some guy are up for a promotion and he 716 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: gets it and you don't, so you don't like him. 717 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: It's your boss's fault, really, But let's say you don't 718 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: like him and you want to look for reasons not 719 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: to like him. Are you more likely to remember moments 720 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: in your past with him where you saw him donate 721 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: to charity or are you more likely to remember the 722 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: moments where he forgot to hold the door open for you? 723 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: Because he may have donated to charity ten times, you know, 724 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: he may have given you a Christmas card ten times. 725 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: But if you really start giving feedback on him, if 726 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: some dude in a social setting asks, hey, hey, tell 727 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: me about Mike. Yeah, he's a douchebag man. Why he 728 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: doesn't even hold the door open for people, Well, you 729 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: haven't painted an accurate picture of Mike there. But since 730 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: your buddy doesn't know any better, he starts thinking, Wow, man, Mike, 731 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: bad carrot. May have gotten the promotion, but bad character guy. 732 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of the way football works, at least at 733 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: the college level. Ohio State, Well, of course they won. 734 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean you got to beat Ohio State and the officials. 735 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: You gotta beat Georgia and the officials. No, you don't. 736 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: It's a lie. It's actually the opposite. If you really 737 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: really dive into the numbers and toss your emotion on 738 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: the side, you find out the big name brands are 739 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: having to overcome a little bit of shoddy officiating. You 740 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: just don't remember the moments where it happened. I know, 741 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: I hate to rain on parades here. That really bursts 742 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: a bubble that I know several of you have contributed 743 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: to inflating. It's okay, it's okay. I just admitted I 744 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: may be doing it in the NFL. I don't know. 745 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of like the SEC HOMERSM thing. 746 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: The investigation is ongoing. 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