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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebina, a space where no

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Speaker 1: question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views

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Speaker 1: shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain, and empower.

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Speaker 1: From the laughs to the lessons. Just remember, tough times

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Speaker 1: don't last, but professional Homegirls do enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? Issagara Ebine here, and I hope all

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Speaker 2: is cute. Now, before we get into this week's episode,

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Speaker 2: I just want to remind you all that we are

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Speaker 2: four days away from the Professional Homegirls second annual Turkey

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Speaker 2: Drive in Memphis, Tennessee. Now, we are so close to

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Speaker 2: hitting our goal of feeding two hundred families, So if

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Speaker 2: you haven't already, please make sure to donate by clicking

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Speaker 2: the link in the show notes below. All right, hold

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Speaker 2: me down, don't hold me up. Now, let's get into

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Speaker 2: this week's episode. And y'all is so good. Now, one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite professional homegirls is back and she's opened

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Speaker 2: it up in a whole new way. As she shares

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Speaker 2: her memoir, Thank You Jazz, She takes us inside her

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Speaker 2: journey working in the sex brothel, the wild experiences she lived,

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Speaker 2: including trying a roofie child, and that I opening insights

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Speaker 2: she learned about trust, boundaries and having compassion for others.

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Speaker 2: And also, y'all, she has been on the show multiple times,

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Speaker 2: so if you want to get to know her a

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Speaker 2: little bit better, please make sure you click the links

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Speaker 2: in the show notes below for all of her previous episodes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so get ready because thank you. Jazz starts now. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gods, I am so excited to have my guests

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Speaker 2: back on the show. I feel like, how many times

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Speaker 2: have you been on the show? Like three or four times?

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Speaker 3: Five? The three, the three three?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. It's always such a good time when

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Speaker 2: we link up. And then we actually linked up before outside.

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Speaker 4: Of the show.

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Speaker 2: I think we met what once one time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like last summer at.

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Speaker 2: The festival, right yep? Oh my god, I was so excited,

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Speaker 2: I guess so excited to meet like my favorite professional homegirls.

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Speaker 2: So to my guests, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: back on this show to discuss your memoir. Thank you, Jesz.

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Speaker 3: How you doing how you feel?

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Speaker 2: I know you said you a little bit under the weather,

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Speaker 2: but how are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I'm a little you know, my voice

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Speaker 3: is a little raggedy, but I feel great. I feel

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Speaker 3: grateful and just amazing. It's always nice to have a

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Speaker 2: My wife's friend.

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Speaker 3: Yes, girls, So yeah, I'm just excited. Like when I

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Speaker 3: patiently waiting. I was like, Okay, let's see. I picked

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's eleven eleven. I feel like that means something.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like super like astrological, but it's gonna mean something.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's so funny. Eleven eleven is actually

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Speaker 2: like I gotta get my life together to pray on

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Speaker 3: Jesus amen, come again.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now, before we get into your book, I want

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Speaker 2: the Professional Homegirl Coloring Book.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm glad you asked, because I was gonna I

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Speaker 3: know I love I love this book. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: this one is just packed full of amazing such an

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Speaker 3: And as someone who like I was a big colorer,

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Speaker 3: You've been doing Turkey Drive. You know your Spooky series

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Speaker 4: Show or not?

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Speaker 2: But I love the Men's series. That love love What's

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Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you. Now that really

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Speaker 3: You're doing a lot. And I remember even last year,

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Speaker 3: So your props, Yeah, with your little.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of growing platforms, I am just so pleased.

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Speaker 2: She sent me in advanced copy of the book. Y'all,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Jazz. And it's so funny because I was

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Speaker 2: listening to our last conversation, which was in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: It's so steamy, like thank god, the cover it's like

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Speaker 2: So I was like, girl, So what has been the

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Speaker 2: feedback you've been receiving.

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Speaker 3: So the feedback has been really good. I've had some

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Speaker 2: So I know you have siblings. Do they know about

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Speaker 3: because it's like fucking good, like like she likes to read,

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Speaker 3: It's good but the content and you know, the story,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when that dad comes, I would love

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember y'all listened to that episode. I don't

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now the puzzles is coming the gun I

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Speaker 4: Because I'm like, how should just gonna go out over Asia?

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Speaker 2: What's up, y'all, It's Shagara eb and A here, and

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Speaker 2: be sure to follow me on Instagram and TikTok at

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Speaker 2: pretty private podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe to my

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Speaker 2: to the show. And I feel like that story is more,

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh what I thought you made that up? Because

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Speaker 4: Until niggas is like where Jazz at? She want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's just send them a copy.

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Speaker 2: Oh you should. I mean I felt like you spoke

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Speaker 2: this book far. You're right, yeah, so telling everybody hyked

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00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: it you came up with the name thank you Jazz

435
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: because I thought that it was just you paying homage to.

436
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah also ego.

437
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: But well kind of in a way. So but yeah, true.

438
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: When I when I originally started writing this, well, I

439
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: you know when I originally started hyping it out because

440
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: it was a journal, it was part of my journal,

441
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: and during that time I had a lot of downtime

442
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: to really expand on my writing and just like be

443
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: a little more descriptive than your typical journal notes. So

444
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 3: I titled it jazz Is Diary because that's what the

445
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: fuck it was like, And that was the working title

446
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: for like five years because I just you know, in

447
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: my phone and in my notes and stuff, with Jazz's Diary.

448
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: And then as I'm writing it, I'm realizing like a

449
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: trend or like you know, that phrase thank you Jazz

450
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: was repeated throughout the book and throughout my experience, you know,

451
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: because when you got chosen to go see a client,

452
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: they would hit the little intercom and they'll say thank

453
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: you Jazz, or when your time was up. They're not

454
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: gonna call you and say all right times up. They'll

455
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: just say thank you Jazz or thank you you know, Diamond, whoever.

456
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: And so that was a reoccurring phrase, and then you know,

457
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: the clients would thank me. Not all of them, but

458
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: a lot of them would be like, oh, you know,

459
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: thank you Jazz, Like that was. It was hurt a lot.

460
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: So that's how I changed the title. And I was like,

461
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: you know what, I like that. We're gonna we're gonna

462
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: keep it with that. And then again like it said,

463
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: like paying homage to that time in my life, Like

464
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: I'm great, I'm so grateful for that experience, you know.

465
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, you also made a really good

466
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: point about transactional sex. So I would like to read

467
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: an excerpt from you Ready Okay some chapter twelve title

468
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 2: one of my favorite chapters. It's a transaction hypocrisy of

469
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: the US and its response to sex work. And you

470
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: said after that interaction, it was a while before I

471
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: hadn't exchanged like that. I kept the transactions in the club,

472
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: but I knew where I stood early on. There's nothing

473
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: wrong with providing your services a pleasure for a price.

474
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: More people should do it, honestly, whether you're selling cars, alcohol,

475
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: or fantasies. It's a sales job and I'm pretty good

476
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: at it. So with that being said, what do you

477
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: think people misunderstand most about transactional sex.

478
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: I really think it just comes down to what we've

479
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: been told or shown to think and believe, and what's

480
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: modeled to us. You know, we look at sex like

481
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: it should only be for man and woman. It should

482
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: only be for the married man and woman, the married

483
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: adult man and woman. It should only be for making babies.

484
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: You know. That's and like, okay, if that's what you believe,

485
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: that's what you believe. But that's not that's not what

486
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: it is. Like you know, that's based on I guess,

487
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 3: your your philosophy and life, your religion, and there's no

488
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: right or wrong in my eyes, you know. To me,

489
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, like I think I mentioned in

490
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: one part of their like sexist. It's almost like a sport.

491
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: It's almost it's a service, you know. And if you

492
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: are okay to look at it like that, then what's

493
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: the problem.

494
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if sex work was legal and the US,

495
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 2: do you think things would be different?

496
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 3: I would say yes and no, because I feel like

497
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: if they were legal, they'll find ways to make it

498
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: like annoying, you know how they do when they mogialize

499
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: certain things, and then it might take away from the

500
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: sex workers' experiences to where they might not even want

501
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: to partake. That's just you know, that's just what they do.

502
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: But then again, if it was legal. I think it

503
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: would be you know, it would make things safer, and

504
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: it would give people, I don't know, maybe it would

505
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: help in some way help people to like change their

506
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: views on sex and change their views on transactional sex.

507
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe people wouldn't feel like they can

508
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: just take it from you. Yeah, they get it, go

509
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: pay for it, like with the hell, you know what

510
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean. Like, so, like what I've noticed, like when

511
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: I was down and you know Australia, now, not the

512
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: whole continent has legal escorting, but the certain areas that did,

513
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean talking to the girls there, they all just

514
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: were living regular, regular lives, making decent money, you know,

515
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: paying for college, buying homes. Like I feel like sex

516
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: workers are always portrayed, as you know, on either at

517
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: the end of the spectrum where it's like, you know,

518
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: super rich and spoiled and it's everything they want, or

519
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: at the other end of the spectrum where they're like

520
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: living and tricking out of motels and yeah they're on drugs,

521
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: they got you know, people beating on them and whatever.

522
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: So it's like where's that, you know, they're sex workers

523
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: in the middle on one of them. Yeah, Like I

524
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: wasn't abused by my dad and my pastor. So now

525
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: I'm a sex worker like nah, I just like performing

526
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: and having fun and I'm really good at making people

527
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: feel good. Yeah. So yeah, I think if it were,

528
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: you know, legalized, it could go one some two ways.

529
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

530
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 2: And I also feel like back in the day, like

531
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: just the nightlife industry was just so like it was

532
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: really like glamorized, Like it was really like, oh you

533
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: was that girl, like you get your money, you had

534
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: all the things, the glitts and glamour like. But I

535
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: also think that the reason why I kind of shifted

536
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: because now race and class and other things play a

537
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: factor in it.

538
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I see. I mean you see it just

539
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: in the way people talk about sex work or the

540
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: way it's portrayed and media or something. Yeah, you know,

541
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: like a sex worker of color might be looked at

542
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: differently than you know, a white sex slowbird one might

543
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: be you know, like, Okay, she's a snow bunny, so

544
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: she's a higher class sex worker and you're hat so

545
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: you're you know, on the lower end. But you know

546
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily the case.

547
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for some reason, I can't see you working

548
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: in the sex brought there in the US if it

549
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: was legal.

550
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, No, I just wasn't deep. It's not that deep,

551
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 3: like I you know, I did it because I was

552
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: because I could and it was legal, and I was curious,

553
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: and I was like you know, backpacking around and just

554
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: exploring and trying different things, and you know, writing about

555
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: it because for years people would say, oh my god,

556
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: you should write a book. Like I would get that

557
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: all the time. And there were times where I would

558
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: like do something or say something, or something would happen.

559
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, it's going in the book, going

560
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: in the book, but there was no book yet, you

561
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean. The book wasn't being written yet.

562
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: And then finally, you know, taking that time abroad too,

563
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: like I, you know, graduate from college and I'm like

564
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: I'm out, Like I don't want to way grad school.

565
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: I want nobody's job or apartment. I'm out and I'm

566
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: just going to like do things that I want to

567
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: do and like be creative and like to explore, explore

568
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: and like have sex with people and like eat food

569
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: and whatever. So I you know, I'm grateful for that

570
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: opportunity that like had that time because a lot of

571
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: people don't have time to like explore after college, like

572
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: they're right into the right into it. You know, they're

573
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: going to grad school, they're certain families or buying houses

574
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: or you.

575
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: Look back and damn.

576
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

577
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's been ten years since that time of

578
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: my life and yeah, a lot of like still a

579
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: lot of great things are happening.

580
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're working in the broad through like change

581
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: how you looked at yourself.

582
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: I think it more enhanced the way I looked at

583
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: myself because you know, I started in shrip clubs and

584
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: I got a lot of my confidence from being a dancer.

585
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I wasn't always like super you know,

586
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: bad bitch in the club. Like there's a good you know,

587
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: a year where you're just like figuring it out and

588
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: figuring out like you know, you're cool, you know you're cute,

589
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: but you're trying to like, you know, learn the room,

590
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: like you learn the ropes and get that because once

591
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: you get it, girl, it's so it's a rap y'all. Anyway,

592
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: So when you were learning the land is ghost, Yeah,

593
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like by the time, you know,

594
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: I had already been dancing for maybe like three years,

595
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: three and a half years. So by the time I

596
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: got over there and and and went into the brothel,

597
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I was like it was like a little boost of confidence,

598
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: a little boosts of adrenaline and just like and you know,

599
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: I was learning a lot, Like I was learning so

600
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: much from these guys, which was cool too.

601
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: Did you have any grief for writing this book? Because like,

602
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: is jazz coming back?

603
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: Jazz is done right like that you know, now in

604
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 3: the club, I go by a different name, but you

605
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: know that's that's a different book, but jazz is who

606
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: I was just during that time. Yeah, And as far

607
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 3: as like grief after writing it, no, like, and I

608
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: kept like going back to thinking, am I do I

609
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: feel bad? You know, I kept like reflecting on should

610
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: I feel bad? Like should I be feeling in some

611
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: type of way, like oh my god, Like people are

612
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: reading it. Ah, this it's crazy, but.

613
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: You feel bad maybe like what do you mean by that?

614
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: Embarrassed or like shame? Should be right to be sharing

615
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: these stories, but it's like, no, they're fucking real life stories.

616
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: These are things that really happened, and there are things

617
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 3: that nobody talks about and they're fun to read. And

618
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: if you know, my voice for fund to reading my voice. Right.

619
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: I had a friend tell me that, They're like, yeah,

620
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: I'd rather this than your voice was amazing me too.

621
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: I heard you in my head and I'm like, wow,

622
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: this girl is crazy. So one of my favorite interactions

623
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: you shared was with Donnie. So Donnie was someone who

624
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: did not want to have sex with a woman, but

625
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: he wanted to be penetrated in his ass.

626
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 4: Remember Donnie. Fact was he was white, right.

627
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, definitely remember Donnie.

628
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: But I think the reason why I actually love that

629
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: interaction you shared about him is because he showed how

630
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't feel safe fully being himselves.

631
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: Right.

632
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: So one of my favorite person in the book on

633
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: page one three, let's see girl. I love it because

634
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, like you can really learn a

635
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: lot about people from like that work in different industries

636
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: and stuff, and like how at the end of the

637
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: day we all have a lot of things in common

638
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: then we do different you know.

639
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

640
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: So one of the things you wrote you was like

641
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: he's sighed. So I'm guessing this is during the time

642
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 2: that y'all was like just got through doing the interaction

643
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: you had just met him because your homegirl at the

644
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: brothel she calls you in to be a part of

645
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: their their ninth Well, yeah, so he said, I'm not married,

646
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: never was, and dating is tough. I mean, come on,

647
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: how many pretty girls you know are willing to fuck

648
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: a guy in the ass without getting paid. I come

649
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: here because it's safe and with the right amount of money,

650
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: I can get any treatment I want. I'm sure I

651
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: don't need to tell you this, but most people have

652
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: born vanilla sex lives. But you, girls, you don't ask questions.

653
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: And at this time, doing this part, you was asking

654
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: him like mad questions because like his you know, it

655
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: piqued your interest, which it also do with minus, but

656
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: also was like, yo, black girls, what thing about us?

657
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: We gonna get to the bottom of it.

658
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, but they really are right.

659
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: But then on page one's seventy eight, which I thought

660
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: was kind of sad, you said as he laid back,

661
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: he was breathing heavy. I cast something in his eyes,

662
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: not lust, but that kind of sadness. He never liked

663
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: to finish too fast, always stretching things out, like he

664
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: was trying to make up for something. Because I think

665
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: during this session he book you for like three hours,

666
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: which I was like, damn, Yeah, and then you asked him.

667
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: You said you okay, I asked him. He nodded, but

668
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: exhaled heavily, and he said this is just safer, he muttered,

669
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: and he was like, safer than what he hesitated. Then

670
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: he glanced at his fingers. Then trying to connect with

671
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: someone outside of her out there. People don't get it.

672
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: I didn't press. I heard version of this story before.

673
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: It's something about Donnie Tone told me it wasn't just

674
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: about sex. It was about tapping into his desires without judgment, and.

675
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: I was just like wow, like yeah.

676
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: Like I can only imagine how your view on intimacy

677
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: and relationships change after dealing with so many different personalities

678
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: and just men in general.

679
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of that, a lot of

680
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: moments where I'm talking to someone, I'm just like trying

681
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of it, and you know,

682
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: and I do you do? You get those conversations kind

683
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: of in the club too, But it's for this especially

684
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: because it's you know, it's full armed sex with that

685
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: you're paying for. You know, some people, not everything's black

686
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: and white, you know, not everything is you know, good

687
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 3: or bad, hot or cult like, not everything is black

688
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: or white. So for for him, it's like, you know,

689
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: I like, you know, I don't. I don't just like

690
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: women like I like in the ass, but I don't

691
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: need to penetrate the pussy. But I also like my

692
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: ball's kick, but also like hot Wax song on my day.

693
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: So like there's so many like in betweens on the spectrum.

694
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Of the nuance.

695
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you know, some people just need to

696
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: feel safe and just want to get what they need

697
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: and go on with their day and rather than you know,

698
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: try to go on dates. And there are communities for

699
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: people like Donnie where he can you know, meet people

700
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: that want to you know, go with his fetishes or whatever.

701
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes it's just easier to like pull

702
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: up somewhere and get Like when I want my hair downe,

703
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: I just go to the hair salon. I've got time

704
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: jumon braids. Donnie wants to is whatever and he wants

705
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: his ass one, so he's gonna pull up you know what, yo, girl.

706
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Do this man?

707
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: No, No, he definitely was like he was he was

708
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: getting wax. He was he was very clean. Yeah, nobly

709
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: do shit or something. I don't know, but we.

710
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: Can list a thing too. When you getting atal play

711
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: or but play they have like douche and all this stuff.

712
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, cheah.

713
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: I could just see your face like yo, and.

714
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: Then you have you know, like you have to like

715
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: be compassionate and empathetic and like I can't be like eh, nigga.

716
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: Dogs step out of here, like I guess you know.

717
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: Like you have to be compassionate. So I really learned

718
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: how to like be like all in someone's face, in

719
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: their space and like listen to some wild ship and

720
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: like genuinely like you know, show concern and make them

721
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: feel safe and okay about it. Yeah, like that tastes

722
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: a lot.

723
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: So what percentage of men did you basically have to

724
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: trick your body into being into? Because when I was

725
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: reading some of these these uh your sessions with these guys,

726
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's no way that this person I'm talking

727
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: to now would ever give these people a chance, especially

728
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: with these small ass penises.

729
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: Girl. And what was that.

730
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: Process like of you tricking your body and to getting prepared?

731
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: It was, like I would say, it was like a

732
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: almost like an adventure, like at first, you know you

733
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: have to it's not necessarily about me getting you know,

734
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: getting off or anything like that. So for a guy,

735
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: in order for us to know he's turned on, dick

736
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: gets hard, and that's like a clear sign. They don't

737
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: get hard, you're not turned it's not working. But for us,

738
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: you know, like Okay, we might get wet, our nibbles

739
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 3: might get hard, we might you know, get warm or whatever,

740
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: but it's it's not like a tall tail sign like

741
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: oh she's turned on now, So you could kind of

742
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: glide by with out someone asking me like, oh, it's

743
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: just turning on and you say yes and they're like no,

744
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: it's not like I don't you know, like right, get

745
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: to keep going. So you know, I would like use

746
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: imagery and just like imagine at first, you know, just

747
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: imagining like sex scenes, but then like that really didn't

748
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: work for me, and it was it was really just

749
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: like knowing that one I'm getting paid to do this too,

750
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: that this person really is enjoying this, and that I'm

751
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: able to like make this person feel good. Like that

752
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: made me feel excited, you know, like this is hot,

753
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: Like this is something that I couldn't do at home.

754
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, you came up in here. It's like Russian

755
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: roulette and like who's at the door? You know what

756
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: I mean, And like, even though these people weren't typically

757
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: the type of people that I would look at and

758
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: be and deem sexy or fuckutable, I was able to

759
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: kind of like take the attraction out of it and

760
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: just be there for like the the healing part of it,

761
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: the nurturing part of it, the physical act of it,

762
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: the you know, it was almost like a challenge. Okay,

763
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: I gotta get them, get them hard and get them

764
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: all warmed up and feeling good. Then I'm gonna hit

765
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: him with the you know, the BJ and then like, oh,

766
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: I wonder if you're like side the massage. And then

767
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: once you kind of you know, get to penetration, like

768
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: you know, then what positions can we do? Like you know,

769
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, when you'd go reverse cowgirl and thegs don't

770
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: know how to act, so.

771
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 4: That especially if you're around Yeah.

772
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: If you tired and you're like, you know what, let's

773
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: wrap this up and you turn around and then he comes,

774
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 3: it's like all right, cool, you want to keep going,

775
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: you gotta pay me more. Like so they're like eventually

776
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: you kind of learned how to work with each you know,

777
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: even though each person you see might not be someone

778
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: you've seen before. You kind of get like a routine,

779
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: and it's really felt like, you know, like a sport,

780
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: like you know, when you know, when you go to

781
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: a massage, and like you go to like the fucking

782
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: Lotus Springs or whatever the hell, like the Asian joints

783
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: where sometimes I get a lot of massages, and sometimes

784
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: when I go there, they do the same thing. They

785
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: put the town on you. They stretch out, yeah, and

786
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: they do this, and then they do that, and then

787
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: I know they're gonna do the and it's just like,

788
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: all right, I didn't this is not what I wanted,

789
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: but it's it's a routine. And I felt like I

790
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: got that when I was, you know, working in the brothel,

791
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 3: Like I found like a flow that I knew I could,

792
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: like time it. I knew that how to like extend,

793
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: get the time to extend, get them the same longer.

794
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: And Yeah, when once you're thinking about it that way,

795
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: you're not really worried about being turned on, you know,

796
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: because now it's just like it's like the job. We're

797
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: here now, right, Yeah, we're just doing this.

798
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: And I would think about when I was reading about

799
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: how you would have sex with the men that had

800
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: like microscopic penises. I'm like, wow, like it's really niggas

801
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I hear with small dicks like and I'm not talking

802
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: about like regular smm, I'm talking about like tiny like

803
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: you thought this one because it was it any.

804
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: Is there a medical term for this? Like this seems

805
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: like it should be a diagnosies like what's happening here, right,

806
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: and that they do. I don't really see them anywhere,

807
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: but oh god, and I wonder. You know, most of

808
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 3: the people that had this situation, they were a little

809
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: bit bigger, like they carried more belly fat and like

810
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: the abdominal region so the good yeah, like the fupa

811
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 3: region like where your foopa would be. So it's almost like, yeah,

812
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: like too much fat there, like your cheft shrinks up

813
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: and next seeing it. I don't know if you read

814
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: the book like you read it so you know, the

815
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: way trying to describe that penis was like because.

816
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, how did you get it in? Like when

817
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: you was describing the position, I'm like, I did a

818
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: nigga called a cramp.

819
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: I said, nah, we're not.

820
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: Doing listen trying to describe that, Like I had to

821
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: keep coming back to it because I'm like, how do

822
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: I put how do I describe this that, like, you know,

823
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: makes sense that people can really visualize it, because I

824
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: remember saying it to people like friends in passing, but

825
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 3: like I'm like, okay, I'm putting it in a book.

826
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: How do I really get this out there so that

827
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: people can visualize it? And yeah, it looked like you know,

828
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: when a baby's born and there, you know, the umbilical

829
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: cord is kind of still poking in and out of

830
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: the belly button and it's like a little bit out,

831
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: but it's a little bit in. And then when that

832
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: piece falls off, it's just like this. You're like, is

833
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: it it any? Isn't an ALTI well, we won't know

834
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks because we're still a baby,

835
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, that's what it looked like.

836
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: And then when it got hard, it would grow just

837
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: a little bit, so you knew that it was something,

838
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: but it was still like a yeah, like yeah, So

839
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: like god damn, I just remember like like trying to

840
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: like put that thing in my mouth with the little

841
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: baby condom because what do you say, Just imagine it's

842
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: my only hand, bitch.

843
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: Liked like I'm gonna get that out of my face,

844
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: bro Like, so.

845
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: Like eventually, you know, you're just yeah, that was And

846
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: the whole time I'm doing it, it's not even like

847
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: like it's crazy because I'm not like grossed out. I'm

848
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: not like, oh my god, like I can't believe I

849
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: have to do this, Like I'm cracking the fuck up

850
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: in my head because I'm like, this is great content.

851
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 3: People know everything right, people need to know about this.

852
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: This is the thing out here, and that's why he's

853
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: here because he can pay. Again, it was another situation

854
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: where this guy was a very large man, Like having

855
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: sex with him was a fucking workout because I can

856
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: go into a fool split, but damn for how long?

857
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: So have you know? Him coming in and paying for

858
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: that experience was so much more comfortable and you know,

859
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: way easier than going out and trying to hit on

860
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: somebody after a night out or you know, like swiping

861
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: on the internet using I think back then Tinder was

862
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: just starting out, but you know, like it makes sense.

863
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, did any of the services make you feel

864
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: uncomfortable or were you like I'm not doing it.

865
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 3: I've had I did have some people like even though

866
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: they knew I didn't do anal. They would try to, like,

867
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: you know, slide it over that way, and I'm like, listen, no,

868
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: we're not doing that. I'm not experimenting, I'm not trying

869
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: anything new like no. But honestly, I would say pretty much,

870
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: you know, everything was I was. I was cool with

871
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: you know, nothing that really threw me off.

872
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know another thing that I love about your

873
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: uh this book is I felt like you had a

874
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: hard time with setting boundaries and not setting boundaries with

875
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: the customers, with setting boundaries with yourself. Yeah, And I

876
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: feel like, listen, I have like no sperdays out because

877
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: this book is really good. But like on page one

878
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: sixty three, you was talking about how like you know

879
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: better pretty much, and you wrote, I realized I struggled

880
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: with my power sometimes. The whole point of this gig

881
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: is to be able to make my money in a

882
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: safe place and go home, do not pass, go, do

883
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: not collect two hundred dollars. Men can be very convincing

884
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: and try to get you to do things you wouldn't

885
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: normally do, or get you to do things that aren't

886
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: worth your time. After sex with Juice Head, I should

887
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: have just left him alone, which I agree, but while

888
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: still riding the high of gray Sex, we exchange numbers

889
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: and agreed. I would come by after work and I

890
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: was like, girl, and the crazy thing is you did

891
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: that several times.

892
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a few times where it's you know,

893
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: it was it was almost like.

894
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: I say, now it's been like a wow girl man.

895
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: Like riding that high. You're like, this is fun. And

896
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: I had like that I could do whatever I want

897
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 3: kind of mentality and this I don't want to do something,

898
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it. And then there were

899
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: those times where I was like, oh, like, oh, I

900
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: don't know should I do it? And then I would

901
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: just like, you know, damn well, like you said, you know,

902
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: damn well, you got no business. But I'm like, we'll

903
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: see what's happening, you know, give like, let's see where

904
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: this goes. And or you're just the you know, the

905
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: excitement hasn't worn off yet, or yeah, there there were

906
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: a few times in there.

907
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: Were there any times where you felt like, oh, just

908
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: one particular time that stood out where you felt like, oh,

909
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: she like she can go left, Like you got scared.

910
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily stay scared, like when I went home

911
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: with juice head. Uh and you had.

912
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: To blow into his berthalyzer. Girl, I said, Yo, what

913
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: is going on?

914
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: I think I text you and I was like, nah, girl,

915
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: this is too fun.

916
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah that, you know, having to blow into someone's breathalyzer

917
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: moments after they convince you to come home and sleep

918
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: with them is just wild. Yeah. I'm like, wait, what

919
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: are we doing? And then we went further than he said,

920
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: like you go. I don't live far, no you do.

921
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: It was quite far.

922
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: And he didn't have no service.

923
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: I didn't have no stealth service. And I was just like, okay, okay,

924
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: well if something goes down, like I remember my route,

925
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: but I also I never I try to think like

926
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm I'm aware, I'm cautious, you know. I look, you know,

927
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: over my shoulder, and I make sure that I don't

928
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: walk around oblivious. But I also know that like I'm protected,

929
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: you know, and I know that I'm safe, and like

930
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 3: I I go into situations thinking that way. For a moment,

931
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: I might be like, yo, this motherfucker might try to

932
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: kill me, he might chop me up. I'm not play

933
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: a whole scenario in my head. But then I'll let

934
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: it go and I'll tell myself and you're gonna be fine,

935
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: like you know, all if something happens, like you just

936
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: lose koodoo about this car and you know, take your

937
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: ass down the road like you know. I feel like

938
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: I could and for myself if I had to. But yeah,

939
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: I think it's like a Delulu thing or something. You're

940
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: just like, God, got me, let me go.

941
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: And I also think that being at at the age

942
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: you were, you was in your early twenties, So I

943
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: just think that when you're young, like you think you're visible,

944
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: nothing's gonna happen to you. Yeah, yeah, now, no way,

945
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: oh hell, Like I'm not doing that.

946
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: I barely want to go to my friend's house. Why

947
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: would I want to go to your house?

948
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: Like bags?

949
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: Facts, facts, Oh my god. Another thing that called my

950
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: attention was you spoke very openly about your drug youth.

951
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, what, I know, it's so crazy.

952
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: Did you always stabble in drugs or yeah?

953
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: So I've always like you know, I've always seen whom

954
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: I'm talking drink bro drink, drink liquor smoked weed like,

955
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: but I've you know, I like hallucinogens, I like mushards LC.

956
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: But then like there were times where you know, you

957
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: do the cocaine, the mollie, the ecstasy, like those kind

958
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: of things I had already had, like, you know, at

959
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: least eight years of experience with before this, Like you know,

960
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: I'd been using those kind of recreational drugs, you know,

961
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: in the end of high school, college like that time

962
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: in my life. So to me, it was just like, oh,

963
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: you know Mollie, Hell yeah, I love MDMA, let's do it.

964
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: But there are things that I wouldn't do, like often

965
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: like I don't carry molly in my pocket, right, you know,

966
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: like some of these guys sitting in the brothel or

967
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 3: like even on like a night out, like unless it's

968
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: like a thing like oh, we're at a music festival,

969
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: like there's certain kind of music where that is you know,

970
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: I don't want to stay it's associated with those kind

971
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: of drugs. But for me, if I'm going to a

972
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: certain kind of concert, can bring in molly, like this

973
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: is what it is. So yeah, this is nothing new

974
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: at this point in my life. It's just there was

975
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: always a like in the back of my mind, I'd

976
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 3: be like, girl, I'll do it. You don't know these people,

977
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: And then that that because.

978
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: On page seventy seven, y'all, and only I really want

979
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: you to purchase her book. And we all about supporting

980
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: professional homegirls, but this one was it for me. I

981
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: was like, no way. So, y'all, she talks about her

982
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: experience with GHB and if you are not familiar with GHB,

983
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: that is the Roofy drug or the date ray drug.

984
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: And so she said, this is one of your customers.

985
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: He came in and he was like super lit, right,

986
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: so he said, he seemed pretty lit up, like he's

987
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: been drinking. He came in with a water bottle which

988
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: looked like it had small sup of water at the bottom.

989
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: When we got situated upstairs in our room, I offer

990
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: to throw his trash away. I figured it was trash

991
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: because who wants to carry around a tiny step of

992
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: back wash all night?

993
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: Right?

994
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: So at this point, y'all, when I'm reading it, I'm like, Yo,

995
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: what the fuck this bitch about to do? Like, like,

996
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: what is this? He said no and began pouring a

997
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: little sip of liquid into the lid of the bottle.

998
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: He handed me the makeshift shotglass and asked me if

999
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to get on his level. I'm not drinking

1000
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: your back wash nigga, I laugh. She didn't say nigga,

1001
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: but I just imagine that what G said. He said,

1002
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: it's not liqu It's not liquor.

1003
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: It's G.

1004
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: He said, what the hell is G? I asked, curious

1005
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: of what it might be, but also not pressed to

1006
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: take any new drugs. You know, they call it roofie

1007
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: where you're from, GHB. How do you pronounce a gamma

1008
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: hydroxy butteric acid.

1009
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, a gamma hydroxy.

1010
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 2: Britaric acid, he said, so nonchalantly. You drink daatee break

1011
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: for fun. You gotta be kidding me. Is that an

1012
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: Australia thing or do they do that in Africa too?

1013
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: I asked.

1014
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: He proceeded to tell me how it's supposed to make

1015
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: you feel and all you need is a small drop

1016
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: to achieve a recreational high. I figured, since I'm a

1017
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: woman traveling along, I should be aware of things like this,

1018
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no way. I also felt in that

1019
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: moment that it was important to know what being roofie

1020
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: feels like so I can stay on my toes. So

1021
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: I took a little chemical offering fuck it, I said, Yeah,

1022
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: I was like this girl, what did that feel.

1023
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: Like, well, when you're reading back to me, damn sounds crazy, yo,

1024
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 3: because I would never today that was that was wild.

1025
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 3: So this guy was from like mat At Gascar, somewhere

1026
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: in Africa or Mauritia or something somewhere in Africa and

1027
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: Somalia something. I think it was Somalia because Somalia's are

1028
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: like crazy, right.

1029
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was out there and I don't know

1030
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: what he's talking about, but so I think it was

1031
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: from Smalia and.

1032
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah he I took it and it tasted terrible, like

1033
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: battery acid, and you know, we went on with our booking.

1034
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't remember how long you did me were like

1035
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: thirty minutes, twenty five minutes, and then when it was finished,

1036
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 3: like it didn't really hit me until towards the end

1037
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: of our booking and I just started to feel tipsy.

1038
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: So it was almost like I took it. Was like

1039
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: I had like a couple shots on an empty stomach,

1040
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: kind of tipsy, like where you're like zero two a hundred.

1041
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: But it wasn't you know, it wasn't crazy. And then

1042
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: as I started like cleaning up the room and getting dressed,

1043
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: I you know, took a shower, got dressed, and I

1044
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: went downstairs. By the time I got to like the

1045
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: break room, I was like, oh shit, and like you're

1046
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: thinking about moving, but you're not. You're cut, You're kind

1047
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: of stuck in the amount. Like I don't know because

1048
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: this man came in like he didn't seem like he

1049
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: was sou fucked up, like he's still walking around. He left,

1050
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, how did I don't know? Did you uber hear? Like,

1051
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: so I'm just thinking, okay, So if I would have

1052
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: took a little bit more, because I was like on

1053
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: the cusp of like not being able to control myself

1054
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: and I just got really tired, and I was like,

1055
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: if I would have if I would have had taken

1056
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more in a roofy situation, now I

1057
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: see like damn, like this really like you just start

1058
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: to decline your your your your legs feel kind of numb,

1059
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: and your eyes are really heavy, like I think in

1060
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 3: the book that I wrote that I like laid down,

1061
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: fell asleep on the couch and like I was like

1062
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: in and out, like I can hear everything happening around me,

1063
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: but I wasn't like talking or I wasn't you know,

1064
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: my eyes weren't open and then eventually I you know,

1065
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: it took me a while to get up out of there,

1066
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 3: Like I got up. I might have done one more booking.

1067
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but I know I went home and

1068
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: it was like, I'll never forget this. I get in

1069
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: the Uber because sometimes I would Uber sometimes I would

1070
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: take the tram, like depending on the time of day.

1071
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: But I think I fell asleep for so long that

1072
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: when I got up it was like seven eight in

1073
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: the morning. I was like, all right, I'm not about

1074
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: to be in nobody's streets, like piss. Let me get

1075
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 3: into Uber. And when he got to my house, I

1076
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: like I was sleeping in the back seat. He had

1077
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: to get out of the car and like open my

1078
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: car door and like help me out of the car.

1079
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1080
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah he was good, and I think I even, yeah,

1081
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: he was nice. But it was just like I would

1082
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: take a few steps and do a few things, and

1083
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 3: then I'd get weak and I'd have to like sit

1084
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: back and like rest my head, rest my eye, and

1085
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: then I'd get up and I'd take a few steps

1086
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: and like so by the time I got home, I

1087
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: got to my back porch, I just fell asleep, like

1088
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: for a couple hours, threw up and fell asleep, and

1089
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 3: my roommate came in and was coming out for work

1090
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: and woke me up. But you know, then I just

1091
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: went back in the house and went to bed. It

1092
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: was just like, okay, not doing that again. You know,

1093
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 3: I probably smoked the bowl and like went to sleep.

1094
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was you effect, that was that was wild.

1095
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: That was extra. That was definitely that was extra. But

1096
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: you know, I'm grateful that I lived to tell the tale.

1097
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: I was able to you know, I was able to

1098
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: talk about it, you know. And also because I was

1099
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: in the brothel, Like if I were like out at

1100
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: a party or like somewhere crazy, no, but because I

1101
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: knew that, if anything, I could just sleep here. You know,

1102
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: they're not gonna tell They're not gonna tell me to

1103
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: go home. You know, they're not gonna let me go

1104
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: home if I'm super wasted. So I think because I

1105
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: was there, I was willing to experiment. Like had I

1106
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: been you know, at the club or a party or something.

1107
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: No way, no way.

1108
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel pressure to do drugs because it

1109
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: was a possibility that you can make more money.

1110
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it wasn't always like it was more like

1111
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: if I don't do this, I'm gonna because sometimes the

1112
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: guys get uncomfortable, like if we're you know, they're dancing

1113
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: there doing coke or whatever, and you're just like for

1114
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: them to be done, like all right, that's enough. But yeah,

1115
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: I guess there was some pressure there. It was more

1116
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: like I don't you know, I want them to feel comfortable,

1117
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: like I'm mad at a party. You know. I had

1118
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: a harder time saying no to things that I've already

1119
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: done before but that I didn't love, Like I don't

1120
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: love cocaine, you know what I mean, Like, but you know,

1121
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: you do it sometimes like it just happens, No, not

1122
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: really now, but like not really. I mean again, it's

1123
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: just happen, like it's like, yes, I know girl.

1124
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: This was not really.

1125
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: Yes, it's happened. You know. I can't think of the

1126
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: last time I did it, but you know, because it's

1127
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 3: like I don't hate it, but I don't love it.

1128
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: But like, you know, I have this weird, this weird

1129
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: relationship with it, I think, but it's never something that

1130
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: I think about in crave or I've never purchased it,

1131
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: you know, I've never like gone and found it and

1132
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: bought it. For my Yeah, like I don't have it

1133
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: on hand, like if I get if someone leaves it around,

1134
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: I give it away, like I don't. You know, it's

1135
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: just always like an in the moment thing, you know,

1136
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: it's like a social thing.

1137
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know this, but you also worked

1138
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: at Two Brothers, which I'm like, you never mentioned that

1139
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: to me before.

1140
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh what else I know? Right before I

1141
01:00:53,200 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: went to Asia, I went to uh what area, Townsville

1142
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: mm hmmm, which is a little town. I think it's

1143
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: south of Karens, Australia. And you know, I wanted that's

1144
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: a good place to visit if you're over there in

1145
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 3: that area and you want to go to the Great

1146
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: Barrier Reef. That's a good hub for doing different adventures

1147
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: up that way. So and then Karen's is right there,

1148
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: so I and there were good flights coming out of

1149
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 3: their airport going to Asia. So I went up there.

1150
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, while I'm up here, let me check

1151
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: out another establishment and you know, make a couple more

1152
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: dollars and then I'll fly over to Indonesia. And it

1153
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: was it was cool. It was a completely different experience there. Yeah,

1154
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 3: it was a little stressful, up in there just because

1155
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: of like I was kind of putting pressure on myself

1156
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 3: to make a certain amount, and I was used to

1157
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: a certain cash flow and used to a certain client flow.

1158
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 3: So then when I got up there, it was a

1159
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: different kind of flow. And I was like, well, I'm

1160
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: only here for like three nights. It's like, uh so, yeah,

1161
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: that was That was the Bluebird Cafe or whatever the

1162
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: hell was called.

1163
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bluebird.

1164
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1165
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 2: And I also didn't like the fact because I'm like, damn,

1166
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: they can book you for hours. I feel like at

1167
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,959
Speaker 2: the MT they can only book you for like thirty

1168
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: minutes increments or an hour, But at Bluebird it was

1169
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: like three hours. I'm like, who the hell is fucking

1170
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: for three hours?

1171
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. So at Empty it was you could get booked

1172
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: for hours, like I would do three hours with Donnie

1173
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 3: over there, but it was more you had a lot

1174
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: of people that just came in for shorter periods right before.

1175
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 4: Work or whatever.

1176
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Empt was in a smaller town, less girls.

1177
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, there'd only be like five girls on at night,

1178
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: and they weren't open twenty four hours. They were only

1179
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: open to wait. Were they open twenty four hours? I

1180
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: forget they had no you had to work twelve If

1181
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 3: you went in, you had to do a twelve hour

1182
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: shift or something creepy because they only had five girls

1183
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 3: on in the mornings, this twelve hour shift. Five girls

1184
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: on the next shift, so it worked a little differently.

1185
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: And you know, if someone booked you that long, you

1186
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: aren't necessary You're not necessarily having sex that whole time.

1187
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot of four playing, a lot of foreplay,

1188
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, a lot of the rooms

1189
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: had showers or jacuzzie tubs or bath tubs, so you know,

1190
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: you get creative and get your bath bomb out and

1191
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 3: you know, take a bath together, take a shower and yeah,

1192
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: like if you did have sex multiple times during a

1193
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: long looking like that kind of like you know, if

1194
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: you're at home with your man on a Saturday morning

1195
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: and like you fuck a little bit and then you

1196
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 3: like yeah, and then like you know, you come back

1197
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: to it and get in the shower real quick or

1198
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: like a little more for play. So you know, it

1199
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: was some people liked it because it didn't feel rushed.

1200
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: You know, they can go out their own pace. They

1201
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: only come in X amount of times.

1202
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: And they perform a certain way.

1203
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: Exactly, so and then again, like a lot, especially in

1204
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 3: that place, in that particular town, like it's a smaller town,

1205
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: there's less people, it's the only rathel Like, so guys

1206
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 3: would get in there and like book you for longer sessions,

1207
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: but when you're working them twelves, like it was like

1208
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 3: there are some times where your girl was like zombie fucking.

1209
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: Just laying that spread eagle.

1210
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like or like riding but like I'm just

1211
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: like my ass is moving, but that's it.

1212
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 4: I know.

1213
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: It had to be times you was just like who

1214
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: this kitty is done, Like I gotta go home, like

1215
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: I am tired.

1216
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would definitely take breaks. It took a lot

1217
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: of baths and or who back. Yeah, just so, But

1218
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: then again, a lot of the guys it's not like,

1219
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the dick was very much overage.

1220
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: There was nothing. You know, there was that one that

1221
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: African penis that was too big, but for the most part,

1222
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: like they weren't pound in the pussy and if you

1223
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: squeeze it the right way, you can get them to,

1224
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 3: you know, come whenever you need them to. So it's

1225
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: not like they're just fucking me straight for sixty minutes.

1226
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: You know you definitely, you know, I was very good

1227
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: at you know, I like foreplay, so like I can

1228
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 3: work with that longer. Some girls don't like four play.

1229
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 3: Some girls it's harder to get. Like foreplay is a

1230
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: little more intimate to me than penetration, because penetration it's

1231
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 3: just you just put the dick in the vagina, like

1232
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: and you go back and forth. Where it's like foreplay,

1233
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 3: you're you're checking out different zones, you're tests in the waters,

1234
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: you're seeing yeah, like you know, trying to catch a

1235
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 3: catch a vibe and see what works and what doesn't work.

1236
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: So that's a little more intentional. So and like I

1237
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: I'm good at that, I guess, so I didn't mind

1238
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: doing that part and like doing less with my vagina

1239
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: and more with just like that, you know, more intentional foreplay.

1240
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 3: And I think that's also why guys got really into it, because,

1241
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: like I said, a lot of girls just received dick.

1242
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I've.

1243
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: Been told, I don't you know, I don't have a dick,

1244
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: I don't put nowhere. So but from what I've been

1245
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 3: told by a lot of men, is that a lot

1246
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 3: of girls just kind of receive like there's not a

1247
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 3: lot of foreplay. You know, they might stuck on it

1248
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: a little bit and like ride your face a little bit,

1249
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: but to be able to like get you know, kissing

1250
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: on someone's neck and biting on their ears, I can't

1251
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 3: see if their nipple like you know, pinching their nipples

1252
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: or whatever, and just like seeing what's going to happen

1253
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: if you like her touch there like that people want. Yeah,

1254
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 3: people don't. People aren't getting that.

1255
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: Like the I will experience.

1256
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not getting that.

1257
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: Are you still in contact with any of your clients

1258
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: because I didn't know you mentioned in the book you

1259
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: were saying how like some of them have your Instagram page,

1260
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: they have your number.

1261
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: So one of them, Exavier, Yes, we are.

1262
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: I think he took you out.

1263
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least he took me out. And he ended

1264
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: up giving me a place to stay for like two

1265
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: weeks because the place I was renting I was subletting,

1266
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 3: Like my sublet least ended maybe a week before I

1267
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 3: was leaving the country or something like that. So he's like, oh,

1268
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: you just crashed my place. So he and I we are.

1269
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 3: You know, when you're friends with people on Facebook and

1270
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: Instagram and like you like things and like oh like

1271
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: that looks fun, like whatever, right, yeah, but like I don't,

1272
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: like I haven't seen him since then, but yeah, like

1273
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: we like each other's like stuff on the internet, and

1274
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 3: I think that's it. Oh know my man's uh no,

1275
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to say the real name because I

1276
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 3: told you I changed their names, but I don't remember.

1277
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: Tell me was he a student, the.

1278
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 3: Sexy one, the sexy e Abram Abram that's the one

1279
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: that the one.

1280
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 2: And we went to his house and they but the the.

1281
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,520
Speaker 3: One with the hearing as.

1282
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

1283
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. So we're also we might last time I checked,

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Speaker 3: we were like friends on the internet, but yeah we

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 3: made or not because I just recently went and like,

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, you follow people every couple of years that

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 3: they're not really posting anything. So I may have recently unfollowed,

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 3: but you know, for a while, yeah, we would you know,

1289
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 3: like each other's things, congratulations whatever like that kind of ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last I what is something that you hope readers

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: will understand about women or just people in general who

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,879
Speaker 2: do sex work? Because I feel like with this book,

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 2: like granted, had had a lot of steamy moments, but

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01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: I also felt like you kind of like highlight the

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: importance of how we need each other or how we

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: show up for each other when it comes to like

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: loneliness and like disrespecting people, not passing judgment stuff and

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So what do you hope that people

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Speaker 2: receive from reading your book?

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want people to, like you said, just recognize, recognize,

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 3: Like there are people out there that need safe spaces

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01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: to explore their sexuality. Whether you think their sexuality or

1303
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 3: their fetishes are deviant or not. Yeah, they're They're a thing.

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 3: There exist, and they need to be explored, and they

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 3: need to be you know, fostered in a way that

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 3: can help someone live a healthy life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 3: You know, I look at someone like Donnie, who I

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01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: feel like Later down in the book, we had three interactions,

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01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 3: and by the last interaction, I was really like putting

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01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 3: the damn public. I felt like a detective, like on

1312
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 3: my way to our interaction is that eventually we made

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01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,879
Speaker 3: it out of like the brothel, like into the motel,

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: and I'm like all right, Like part of me is

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 3: like are you this is this crazy? But it's like

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01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 3: I trust him because he trusts me, Like he's not

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 3: gonna and I'm not a dumb ass, like I can

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 3: really read people. I'm like, I feel like he's not

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 3: gonna lure me over to this hotel and kill me

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: because the one he's fat as fuck. I wish the

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Speaker 3: nigga would so.

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 4: But people now, I don't want to estimate that.

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01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're right, you're right. But like someone

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 3: like that who you know, wanted to like found his

1325
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: found his community. He found his his spetish kinky community.

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: And you know, every once in a while would would

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: partake with people in different things. But he wasn't like

1328
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: going out and dating rent regular people. You know, like,

1329
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: how do you like? You know? So a lot of

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01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: people have like that black and white view of sex.

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 3: So if you're dealing with someone but deep down, like

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01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: you're dating someone or you know, dealing with someone romantically,

1333
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: and deep down you have these kinks and these fetishes

1334
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: and you feel this way about sex, it's gonna eat you.

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 3: You know. I met a lot of married men who

1336
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: it's like I love my wife and you know, we

1337
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: have our kids, and you know, our life is great.

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 3: We have good jobs and homes and cars and whatever,

1339
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 3: but the bedroom is dry. There's no love life. There's

1340
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: no spark and I don't know how to get the spark,

1341
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 3: and she's tired and she just had a baby, and

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really want to like show her

1343
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 3: all the love and affection. I just want my dick

1344
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 3: sucks so I can go to sleep, like because you know,

1345
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 3: if you're going to if you're going to like be

1346
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 3: intimate with your partner, the person you're married to, and

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 3: you know, if you're just you know, let's say I'm

1348
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: the guy and I'm like, I'm just so tired. I

1349
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 3: just want to get, you know, ejaculate and go on.

1350
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: And I go and have sex with my wife and

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: it's not like exciting. And I didn't call her pretty

1352
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: during that time. I didn't smack her ass und up

1353
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: whatever that could then lead to her feeling like, oh,

1354
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: that's what's wrong with me? Like that right. Yeah. So

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 3: it's like either couples need to communicate and just say, hey,

1356
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,879
Speaker 3: like this is a physical night, like just be physical

1357
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,600
Speaker 3: with me, yeah, and then let's wrap it up. I

1358
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: don't really want to talk. We don't even got to

1359
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: do all to extra cuddle in and whatnot, because we

1360
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 3: got to get the kids out to the bath or

1361
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 3: whatever they're doing you know what I mean, like family

1362
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: shit and like I've had guys tell me like we

1363
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: just don't have time, like because then you got to

1364
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: get the four play going, then you gotta do this,

1365
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: and she might need to like get the blob out

1366
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 3: and it's like, now, I'm not saying this is good

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: or bad. What I'm saying is people need to figure

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: it the fuck out. And if you don't figure out

1369
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 3: the fuck out, they don't come and fuck somebody in

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 3: a brothel.

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Speaker 4: MM tell everybody your book.

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: So you can get my book at www. Thank you

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 3: Jazz dot com. On there you can read the first

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 3: chapter like a little sneak py you of the first chapter.

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 3: I also have books that you can buy that will

1376
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: be signed, or you can click for the Amazon link,

1377
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: and I have the kindle version as well as the

1378
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: paperback version.

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01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: Yes, and also you can click the link in the

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01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: show notes below. So I would definitely make sure it's

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: accessible so we can make sure we support our girl

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: Jazz here. But honestly, I am so proud of you.

1383
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm I mean, we talked about this many years ago

1384
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 2: and we are finally here, so whatever. Crazy, yeah, but

1385
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: if we're gonna have a page in volume four, and

1386
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be so dope for y'all to be

1387
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: able to interact and hear her story. So please, please, please,

1388
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: to make sure you support our favorite professional homegirl. She's

1389
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: been with me since I want to say, day one, right,

1390
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: damn near?

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it started, I feel like since twenty eighteen, twenty yes, yeah,

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: so at when you first started twenty nineteen, so yeah

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 3: by nineteen.

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: Okay, so day one. So listen for girl here, and

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of you, and thank you so

1396
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: much for coming on the show and allowing me this

1397
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk more about your journey with jazz.

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: Thank you. You know this is my first jazz interview. Okay,

1399
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: but charing, I know, I'm just like, it's exciting and

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: I love hearing people's feedback. And you know, I know

1401
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 3: your community is going to gobble it up. Oh please,

1402
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 3: you be bringing you know, you be bringing the story

1403
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: honey and all this. I think we need to do

1404
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 3: an episode with all the sex workers or something. We

1405
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: just all need to get together. Oh codes, because I

1406
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 3: just listened to part two after the Spooky series, the

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 3: part two of the Oh.

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 2: Y'all will click well, I'm a New York.

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01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 3: Stripper, was clicking up.

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01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's so, there's a couple on there.

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01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: There's a couple of girls on there. That and again,

1412
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 3: like we all have different experiences, like if you don't

1413
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 3: know a stripper, if you don't know what to ask,

1414
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: if you don't know anyone in the industry, you're just

1415
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 3: gonna you know, know what you see in media or

1416
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: what you assume. Yeah, there's so much to learn.

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 2: Oh, I actually love that idea. I'm gonna definitely start

1418
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: working on that now so we can get that going

1419
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: for the beginning of January because most of the content

1420
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 2: is done for the rest of this year, y'all. I'm like,

1421
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 2: I want to enjoy some of the holiday with my

1422
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: family and friends. But I love that idea. So okay,

1423
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: come on now, come on, moderator.

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: So much fun.

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she y'all, it's like, I have a lot

1426
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: of similarities, but like you said, everybody is from different

1427
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 2: walks of life. And I actually have another homegirl. She's

1428
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 2: been on the shore, on the sh she just retired

1429
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 2: from escorton so I think we talked about her story.

1430
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: Her story is really really good as well.

1431
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, yes, and I don't know many escorts, you

1432
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean, especially a lot of answers. Yeah,

1433
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 3: like when I was doing this, you know, overseas, whoever

1434
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: I met over there. Yeah, and there's a few that

1435
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 3: I'm so like Instagram friends with actually, but like you know,

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: it'd be cool to connect with other Black American escorts

1437
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 3: and just hear each other's you know, experiences.

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01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait. We're gonna make this happen definitely

1439
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: in the new year, for sure. But to listeners, if

1440
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: you have any questions, comments, to concerns, please make sure

1441
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: email me a hello at the PSG podcast dot com.

1442
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 2: Like I said, please make sure we support our girl Jazz.

1443
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 2: The link would be in the show notes below, and

1444
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: also purchase from that link because it's going to be

1445
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: from my Amazon storefront. Okay, and until next time, everyone,

1446
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

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01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 3: Later, welcome by y'all.

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: That's how I know you of it, because I didn't

1449
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: have to tell you by you have to say right.

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01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: All, I'd be waiting for people saying right.

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01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, say by day, but later, y'all.

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,200
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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,479
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1455
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,519
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