1
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,520
Speaker 1: All right, all right, we are all set to go.

2
00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,480
Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the tent. I don't even

3
00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,400
Speaker 1: know what a spin spind a morning. Let's try that again.

4
00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,079
Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast.

5
00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm joined by once again, Caitlin Thompson. Caitlin, it's been

6
00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,000
Speaker 1: a week since I saw your mate took your wife

7
00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,440
Speaker 1: to the Liberty game. The other night we killed kick

8
00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,600
Speaker 1: to the ace's butt. We're hopefully going to do that

9
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,200
Speaker 1: again tonight.

10
00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,560
Speaker 2: But I'm glad one of us in the family enjoys basketball.

11
00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,920
Speaker 1: I know it's a shame you don't enjoy it because

12
00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, people listeners out there, if you

13
00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,320
Speaker 1: haven't been to a WNBA, get to one, and you

14
00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,600
Speaker 1: certainly haven't been to a WNBA game in New York,

15
00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,519
Speaker 1: get to one.

16
00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,640
Speaker 2: I did go to one. I talked the whole time

17
00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,080
Speaker 2: and I didn't watch any of the basket But you're

18
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 2: an asshole. Well, I was catching up with friends. But

19
00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,720
Speaker 2: you know what was amazing.

20
00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,480
Speaker 1: Can do that at a bar.

21
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,080
Speaker 2: The atmosphere is amazing. I liked Ellie the Elephant and

22
00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,800
Speaker 2: all the cool music. Now, the vibes are great in there. Yeah,

23
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,280
Speaker 2: and I feel like that is for me at least half.

24
00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,119
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the vibes were great, even as somebody

25
00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,000
Speaker 2: who doesn't not I look at basketball and I just

26
00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,240
Speaker 2: don't understand what I'm looking at.

27
00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,759
Speaker 1: I loving the fact that you've got a double denim

28
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,720
Speaker 1: going on to that.

29
00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,559
Speaker 2: This is I'm not in Canada anymore, but it doesn't

30
00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,520
Speaker 2: mean I can't dress like it.

31
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,440
Speaker 1: But it's come back, Denim on Denimus, fully fully back,

32
00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,240
Speaker 1: and I'm here for it. Thank you.

33
00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm here for your liberty.

34
00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Look yeah, thanks ready to This is actually Kelly O'Hara's line,

35
00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,600
Speaker 1: who played for the Gotham New York. Gotham team is

36
00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,440
Speaker 1: soccer team. So you know, I'm just spreading the love

37
00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,479
Speaker 1: all around the place right now.

38
00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,200
Speaker 2: Well clear, my wife told me that it is really

39
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,840
Speaker 2: fun to go with you two games because you know,

40
00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,839
Speaker 2: on it for everybody and you give everyone high fives,

41
00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 2: and the ESPN broadcasting team and you know the coach

42
00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,479
Speaker 2: and you.

43
00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well, my original love of this team obviously

44
00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,240
Speaker 1: is living here in New York. But the coach of

45
00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: the team is my buddy, Sandy Broundello. We've known each

46
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,160
Speaker 1: other since we're in teenage years and so to be.

47
00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,080
Speaker 2: The Australian Institute of Support. You can't fit those kind

48
00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,880
Speaker 2: of relationships.

49
00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,200
Speaker 1: You cannot. She was there on a basketball scholarship, but

50
00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,280
Speaker 1: I was on a tennis scholarship, and we were We

51
00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,080
Speaker 1: weren't roommates, but we I think we lived in the

52
00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,240
Speaker 1: same dorm. I can't remember that far back, but bloody hell,

53
00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200
Speaker 1: we've known each other a long time. So I am

54
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,280
Speaker 1: fully pulling not only for my mate to win, but

55
00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,959
Speaker 1: for New York to win their first ever WNBA title

56
00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,040
Speaker 1: because they've been an original team forever and we came

57
00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,720
Speaker 1: close last year, right, bloody hell, yeah do we did, sure, Dad,

58
00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,280
Speaker 1: But we're playing better this year and the team looks great.

59
00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,119
Speaker 1: They look great, they're all they're just you know, last

60
00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,640
Speaker 1: thing that they say to each other is together, and

61
00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,000
Speaker 1: so that's super important. I know that Sandy has really

62
00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,160
Speaker 1: worked on the chemistry of the team. Anyways, for oh

63
00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,799
Speaker 1: U WNBA fans, you're welcome, all right, So let's get

64
00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,799
Speaker 1: to some tennis, because I know people that tuned into

65
00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,680
Speaker 1: us want to hear tennis. But let's start with what

66
00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,519
Speaker 1: we saw today with Coco Goth and Naomi Osaka. Unfortunately,

67
00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,200
Speaker 1: look Naomi was looking real good. When's the first set

68
00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,960
Speaker 1: six ' three. Coco was still struggling with this second serve.

69
00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440
Speaker 1: I think in total six double faults. It got to

70
00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,200
Speaker 1: a set ale. She fought her way back to get

71
00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,280
Speaker 1: it to split sets. But I just wonder how much

72
00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,200
Speaker 1: of a bother the back was for Naomi Osaka, because

73
00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,680
Speaker 1: that's the reason that she she pulled out and I

74
00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,520
Speaker 1: could see it, Caitlin, it was like a set and four,

75
00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,120
Speaker 1: three and a break actually for Naomi. It looked like

76
00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,200
Speaker 1: it was going to be Naomi's match in straight sets,

77
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,040
Speaker 1: and I could tell that she wasn't comfortable, and I

78
00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,920
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if it was the back, yes, And I

79
00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,040
Speaker 1: could tell you. I'll tell you why. I saw her

80
00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,360
Speaker 1: start serving a lot to the forehand, not that that's

81
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,160
Speaker 1: not where you want to serve with Cocoa, but every

82
00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,079
Speaker 1: now and again, Naomi likes to bop that one to

83
00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,519
Speaker 1: the back end because that's, you know, her favorite serve

84
00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,200
Speaker 1: particular in the second court, and she wasn't doing that.

85
00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,280
Speaker 1: And I was wondering if it was a stomach muscle strain,

86
00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,400
Speaker 1: because I have pulled my stomach muscle a couple of times,

87
00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,280
Speaker 1: and you tend to stomach. It's not somebody told me

88
00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,800
Speaker 1: it's not a stomach muscles an it's your abs, abdominal's whatever. Anyway,

89
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,000
Speaker 1: so I thought she'd maybe torn something there because she

90
00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,120
Speaker 1: was going she was falling off of it, and then

91
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680
Speaker 1: she looked she wasn't grabbing at her back, but she

92
00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,960
Speaker 1: was looking very comfortable and not into the match, and

93
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,040
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, there's something going on here. And then

94
00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 1: sure enough we came back from commercial and she had

95
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,680
Speaker 1: already pulled the pin after sid All. So that was

96
00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,840
Speaker 1: a major bummer. It's good for Coco to get through

97
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,600
Speaker 1: and get more matches, but still that's a bummer.

98
00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,480
Speaker 2: How did Coco look? Because now she has a new

99
00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,520
Speaker 2: team at her side, and obviously it's very late in

100
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,919
Speaker 2: the season, too late really probably to make any mechanical changes. Yeah,

101
00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,000
Speaker 2: but you know, as you said, good for her to

102
00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 2: get through, good for her to you know, hopefully end

103
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,800
Speaker 2: the year on a high note. She'll qualify for the finals, yep, presumably,

104
00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,960
Speaker 2: and if she hasn't already, and then, you know, what

105
00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,240
Speaker 2: do you do with her off season? Do you start

106
00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,400
Speaker 2: making changes now? Do you wait? You know, what do

107
00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,280
Speaker 2: you what's your what's your approach to dealing with Coco's

108
00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,480
Speaker 2: sort of obvious serve and forehand under optimization.

109
00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 1: I think that, look, you can slowly tweak it in tournaments.

110
00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,080
Speaker 1: There's no question you can slowly tweak it.

111
00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,200
Speaker 2: Now.

112
00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm just reading into this, and

113
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,320
Speaker 1: maybe she was doing it before, but I can see

114
00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,640
Speaker 1: her sort of going at her grip and sort of

115
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,640
Speaker 1: looking at a grip before the serf, So maybe they're

116
00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,800
Speaker 1: already starting to work on the grip a little bit.

117
00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,719
Speaker 1: This certain little things about that grip that I would

118
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,360
Speaker 1: have changed immediately. And you've got to have the faith

119
00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,279
Speaker 1: and you know what, you've got to have the the chutzpa.

120
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,080
Speaker 1: Hutzpa no I want to say, because that means balls,

121
00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 1: that means men. Just I just I just mean a

122
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,920
Speaker 1: coach that's willing to go in there with the with

123
00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,120
Speaker 1: the brava, with the bravatas. Is that right, Bra, Bravado,

124
00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,400
Speaker 1: brav tas, thank you. I'm making a new word, brather tas.

125
00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,320
Speaker 1: I made a new word, brav task. That's going to

126
00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,159
Speaker 1: be my word hashtag brav tas.

127
00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:32,000
Speaker 2: T shirt.

128
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,560
Speaker 1: You know me, I think that you've got to have

129
00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,640
Speaker 1: the courage to go in and say if you want

130
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,720
Speaker 1: to be better, you have to do this, and we

131
00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,800
Speaker 1: can work on it slowly, but trust in the in

132
00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,120
Speaker 1: the process. It is tough to do in the middle

133
00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,000
Speaker 1: of a tournament, but you can do it. But certainly

134
00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,599
Speaker 1: in the off season it's going to be massive to do.

135
00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Sure, but also probably better now just to like start

136
00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,240
Speaker 2: getting it in before the end of the year. So

137
00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,599
Speaker 2: she got she has some you know, dynamic match play

138
00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,599
Speaker 2: with you know, some new changes, right. I mean, obviously

139
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,240
Speaker 2: you don't want to make drastic changes immediately in the

140
00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,040
Speaker 2: middle of the tournament, but I do think like it's

141
00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,240
Speaker 2: kind of like when you're you're losing a set, You're

142
00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, well, I'm going to try to

143
00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,640
Speaker 2: do something else with the idea that maybe even if

144
00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,839
Speaker 2: I lose a set, I'll kind of have worked out

145
00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,479
Speaker 2: something so I can start a new set, you know,

146
00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,400
Speaker 2: with yea, with a new mentality or a new approach.

147
00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,800
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe it's kind of like that at

148
00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,360
Speaker 2: this point in.

149
00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,839
Speaker 1: The season, and she's had a few weeks already prior

150
00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,840
Speaker 1: to going to China, so she would have already been

151
00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,480
Speaker 1: working on this. I'm I'm expecting that that's what happened.

152
00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,280
Speaker 1: If you know this new coach who's sort of known

153
00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,680
Speaker 1: for a sort of technique and things like that, well,

154
00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,840
Speaker 1: if he has any bravitas, he will if he has

155
00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,440
Speaker 1: any gravitas. Bravitas it's a new word. I love it.

156
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I've even you are journalist. He isn't probably an English

157
00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,400
Speaker 1: majors like dying sign oh minor journalism major.

158
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,039
Speaker 2: Okay, keep going, all right?

159
00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,240
Speaker 1: So so anyway, she's through, but also a little bit

160
00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,680
Speaker 1: surprising to see Bodoza just absolutely crushed Jesspa Goula.

161
00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,880
Speaker 2: What do you make of that? Always been playing great?

162
00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Pogola was up three to one, looking like, yeah,

163
00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win again. Because but Doza's never beaten her

164
00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,680
Speaker 1: in her career. They had to have his blank, which

165
00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand because but Dooza actually has a really good.

166
00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,720
Speaker 2: Game, like to beat she has more variety than.

167
00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's not about the pace, it's about the spin.

168
00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 1: She can get a good spin on the ball. But

169
00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,200
Speaker 1: likes the Pagosa.

170
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Bodosa likes the pace.

171
00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 1: God, it's like we haven't It's like we're still we

172
00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,160
Speaker 1: went out last night, we hadn't gone home.

173
00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,040
Speaker 2: We haven't had a drink in probably weeks.

174
00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,440
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, that's I'm impressed. Well, I don't if I

175
00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,880
Speaker 1: have one night off, I'm impressed with myself. I did,

176
00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,560
Speaker 1: I like tap myself on the well done, honey.

177
00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 2: I did a good amount of Sila sabin a few

178
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,440
Speaker 2: weeks ago at a concert and I just really system

179
00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,440
Speaker 2: legal mushrooms.

180
00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,680
Speaker 1: Well, everything's legal in New York, baby, that's why we

181
00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:50,080
Speaker 1: live here.

182
00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,000
Speaker 2: It was great. Yeah, I had a very euphoric experience.

183
00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,640
Speaker 1: It's laughing.

184
00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,160
Speaker 2: It's such a forty four year old thing to do.

185
00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fifty three. So what is my excuse?

186
00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,920
Speaker 2: You missed? Bacila?

187
00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,080
Speaker 1: No, no, you know why I played professional tennis for

188
00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,480
Speaker 1: twenty two years and I couldn't do shit.

189
00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, lead to drugs, those of us who did

190
00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 2: not do any drugs because we were getting druses.

191
00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,760
Speaker 1: Mom, I'm not doing drugs.

192
00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,160
Speaker 2: I was only in college. But they tested the tennis

193
00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,400
Speaker 2: team just a lot, just a little bit of marijuana. Okay,

194
00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,880
Speaker 2: Well keep it moving, okay, all right?

195
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you make of that result, Well, I

196
00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,280
Speaker 1: think it's first of all, it showed me if Bodoza

197
00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,000
Speaker 1: actually tries and runs for balls, that she can actually win.

198
00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the match point at the US Open. To

199
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,520
Speaker 1: me to this day, I am still like scratching my head.

200
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was a drop shot air quoting right now,

201
00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,439
Speaker 1: a drop shot by Jess and Bodoza like didn't even

202
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,640
Speaker 1: run for it. And literally the drop shot was like

203
00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,320
Speaker 1: about two feet from the service line. She just went

204
00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,800
Speaker 1: and just walked to the Now, I'm like, as she

205
00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,000
Speaker 1: started walking to the net to shake hands, she could

206
00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,440
Speaker 1: have still got to the ball. It was such a

207
00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,640
Speaker 1: bad drop shot, and I'm like, what is that. She

208
00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,679
Speaker 1: just mentally shut down. She was just like, yeah, good,

209
00:08:59,720 --> 00:08:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm out.

210
00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,920
Speaker 2: I think she does that though, I think she checks out.

211
00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she sort of just did that today. And

212
00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,000
Speaker 1: Jess has been known to do that from time to

213
00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,600
Speaker 1: time herself, like just kind of checking. She didn't meant

214
00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,640
Speaker 1: she didn't check out with her game. She still was trying.

215
00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,560
Speaker 1: But and but Dooza was just too good today hitting

216
00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,160
Speaker 1: the ball. She was more aggressive when she got down

217
00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,560
Speaker 1: three to one, she started being more aggressive, started being

218
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, really pushing Jess back a little bit. And

219
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,120
Speaker 1: I think she was caught off guard. Who serving was

220
00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,440
Speaker 1: really good. She has one of the biggest serves in

221
00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240
Speaker 1: the game, and that was clicking today and just didn't

222
00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,880
Speaker 1: so great. And you know, Jess a second serve as attack, well,

223
00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,800
Speaker 1: and that's what happened today. So it was a smoking

224
00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,200
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I just want to also throw in

225
00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 1: here because our listeners have been a little upset about

226
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,880
Speaker 1: the the ads before our podcast.

227
00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,840
Speaker 2: Very many ads.

228
00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,480
Speaker 1: Yes, do you want to explain to people?

229
00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,840
Speaker 2: Sure? First of all, thank you for listening to our podcast.

230
00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 1: Yes, we love you guys, seriously.

231
00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240
Speaker 2: You know, I think given the evidence that we are

232
00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,240
Speaker 2: now recording this in a studio and the fact that

233
00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,400
Speaker 2: we are not yet recording this on our podcast, Yacht

234
00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 2: should hopefully give you some sense of the economics of

235
00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,199
Speaker 2: how shows like this are supported.

236
00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:05,840
Speaker 1: Right.

237
00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,040
Speaker 2: We made pretty much zero money in the first couple

238
00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,400
Speaker 2: of years of doing this on an occasional.

239
00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,680
Speaker 1: And whatever money we made, I didn't see it.

240
00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,120
Speaker 2: We put it into our snack fund. No, it would

241
00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,160
Speaker 2: get you know, a couple hundred bucks here or there.

242
00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,760
Speaker 2: And I think for us, we're grateful to be on

243
00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,960
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio network, and part of what that means is

244
00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 2: we get support from their national brands. We appreciate it.

245
00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,800
Speaker 2: We understand it's maybe not your favorite thing to listen to.

246
00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,160
Speaker 2: And we thank you for listening. The skip button is

247
00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,000
Speaker 2: extremely effective. We encourage you to use it.

248
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 1: But we also really like when you do listen to

249
00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,160
Speaker 1: the ads, and you could just just take eight minutes

250
00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,400
Speaker 1: of your time, put the phone down, walk away, get

251
00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,440
Speaker 1: a drink, get a beer, get a wine, get a tequila,

252
00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,240
Speaker 1: get anything you want, okay, and then come back, because

253
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,080
Speaker 1: we do appreciate when you listen to the ads because

254
00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,160
Speaker 1: guess what that pays. We're all our producing out anyway,

255
00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,959
Speaker 1: that's my point, So we're sorry, but thanks, thanks for listening. Yeah,

256
00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,560
Speaker 1: thanks for listening.

257
00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,920
Speaker 2: That's a good way to I think.

258
00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,520
Speaker 1: Kaitlin Water, what is going on with Janick Sinner? Okay,

259
00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Because it's also a

260
00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,280
Speaker 1: question that was asked to me on Twitter. So we're

261
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna answer this question for you, my friend. Now, what

262
00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,760
Speaker 1: do you what are your thoughts?

263
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you very satisfying thoughts. I'm

264
00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,360
Speaker 2: gonna give you Caitlin style thoughts. Number one, I'm going

265
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,640
Speaker 2: to Italy tomorrow. I'm gonna get steroids. That's one of

266
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,640
Speaker 2: my thoughts. You're getting the cream, I'm going to find

267
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,440
Speaker 2: the cream, the spray, the sh I'm gonna get it off.

268
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,600
Speaker 1: God, can you bring me back?

269
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's see what's you I famously have doped

270
00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 2: before and I'll do it again.

271
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:33,920
Speaker 1: Yes you have.

272
00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,560
Speaker 2: I took the meldonium reassure Poba drug happily and you

273
00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,600
Speaker 2: said it was great, and it was great. Let's see

274
00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,560
Speaker 2: what this cream and this spray can do. So that's

275
00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,000
Speaker 2: my first reaction. My second one might be hashtag free Yannik,

276
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,800
Speaker 2: which is a T shirt idea that came to us

277
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,640
Speaker 2: from our frequent photographer contributor, Aaron Lacerna. In the style

278
00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,800
Speaker 2: of many people in the rap game who are under fire,

279
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,640
Speaker 2: you make a T shirt that says free whoever it

280
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,880
Speaker 2: is YSL and in this case maybe for Yanik. I

281
00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm answering in a silly way because I truly have

282
00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,720
Speaker 2: no concept of what is happening.

283
00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,319
Speaker 1: It's like once, so you get three different independent judges

284
00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,200
Speaker 1: now to look at it, even though three independent judges

285
00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,120
Speaker 1: already looked at it from the I, T, I A

286
00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:17,679
Speaker 1: or whatever.

287
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,760
Speaker 2: I think. The fact that, aside from the initial negative

288
00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,720
Speaker 2: response that this this process has engendered from Nikurius, from

289
00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,280
Speaker 2: Dennis Shapavolov this summer, some others, it is indicative that

290
00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:37,079
Speaker 2: when asked about it in the tournament, engaging Carlos Alcarez, Medvedev,

291
00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,679
Speaker 2: his contemporaries, which I don't think you can say Nikurius,

292
00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,400
Speaker 2: who isn't currently really playing, or Denis Shapavlov, who's not

293
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,000
Speaker 2: really deep in a lot of tournaments, are contemporaries of Yanik.

294
00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,199
Speaker 2: The people that Yanik has to play in semifinals and finals.

295
00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,400
Speaker 2: Daniel Medvedev and Carlos Alcarez have not used this opportunity

296
00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,000
Speaker 2: to pile on him. They've used this opportunity to say

297
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,400
Speaker 2: they generally support him, they feel for whatever he's going through,

298
00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,160
Speaker 2: and they are confused about it, as is everyone else.

299
00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,439
Speaker 2: I truly don't understand what the process here is, and

300
00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,319
Speaker 2: the only thing I can say is pretty much what

301
00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,080
Speaker 2: I said last time, which is there has got to

302
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,000
Speaker 2: be a better way of handling this. And it is baffling,

303
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,760
Speaker 2: but not out of character for Tennis, of course, to

304
00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,079
Speaker 2: have yet another to your point, conflicting shit show, independent

305
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,720
Speaker 2: another independent review that's in conflict the original independent review,

306
00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,400
Speaker 2: and another governing body that has something different to say

307
00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400
Speaker 2: than the original. It's like, hey, guys, can we just

308
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,720
Speaker 2: make one person in charge of tennis and they decide yes,

309
00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,640
Speaker 2: the doping protocol, check, what's the tournament's schedule? All of

310
00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,600
Speaker 2: these things would be solved if tennis had leadership and

311
00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,080
Speaker 2: it was consolidated. Yeah, that's all I can say, because

312
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,959
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say. I thought Andrea's

313
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,960
Speaker 2: explanation of the lawyer stuff that was on a prior

314
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,440
Speaker 2: episode was incredibly thoughtful and great as to why he

315
00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,680
Speaker 2: was initially cleared of this because his lawyers were quick

316
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,920
Speaker 2: to file a legitimate and seemingly believable defense. I thought

317
00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,800
Speaker 2: the Running Bodies explanation of why their process is as

318
00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,440
Speaker 2: it is was maybe not great, but at least linear

319
00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,760
Speaker 2: and coherent. This this is not linear. This is not coherent.

320
00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,720
Speaker 2: And I don't know what happens to this guy from

321
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,280
Speaker 2: this point on. It doesn't seem like he's going to

322
00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,040
Speaker 2: get suspended, But what do I know. I don't know.

323
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,840
Speaker 2: Maybe he will and will that be right? I don't know.

324
00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,840
Speaker 1: But also when you think about let's say it comes

325
00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,840
Speaker 1: in and says, oh, yeah, same, but you know you're

326
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,240
Speaker 1: responsible to you Ben, how bad does that look for

327
00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,640
Speaker 1: the I T A I T I A. It's a

328
00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,200
Speaker 1: direct shot, like what that what are we doing here?

329
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,680
Speaker 2: People copeeding governing body?

330
00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing there?

331
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,200
Speaker 2: Are competing governing bodies in the first place? Is the

332
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,640
Speaker 2: entirety of the problem. It's a circular firing squad.

333
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean, is it like, oh, we went to you know,

334
00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,320
Speaker 1: local court, then it got whipped up to you know,

335
00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,320
Speaker 1: the DC court, and then it whipped up to the

336
00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,720
Speaker 1: surrounding court. Is it like that?

337
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,880
Speaker 2: I have an idea. I don't think there's a hierarchy

338
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,960
Speaker 2: of these courts on there, just anybody's ultimately in charge.

339
00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,240
Speaker 2: So I think we should volunteer to get involved. Oh really, well, yeah,

340
00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean they and the cream.

341
00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can do that.

342
00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,480
Speaker 2: Speak to well or not?

343
00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,200
Speaker 1: It has worked.

344
00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,760
Speaker 2: I think what this needs is more care.

345
00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,880
Speaker 1: I need some anabolic steroids in me, and I think

346
00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I really do. I mean, I'm getting old. I fell

347
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,280
Speaker 1: down the fucking stairs. We know how I feel about

348
00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,240
Speaker 1: this out there? You know, you know I've got on

349
00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,800
Speaker 1: my stairs now, I've got those little like old lady mats. No,

350
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,880
Speaker 1: not the runners, but they are a little sticky underneath.

351
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,400
Speaker 2: But I've gotta tell you there's in your shower too,

352
00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,920
Speaker 2: in case you have a fall. Not yet, do you

353
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,880
Speaker 2: have a met alert personally yet not yet.

354
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,240
Speaker 1: Although did I tell you I told you this story?

355
00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,360
Speaker 1: But my neighbor heard me fall down the stairs, Marty.

356
00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,440
Speaker 1: Marty said to her husband Jeremy, Yeah, I did you

357
00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,120
Speaker 1: hear that? It was like twelfth there at night. Did

358
00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 1: I tell this story on the pot already? Because you

359
00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,800
Speaker 1: know mental acuity has gone to but because you know,

360
00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm making up brother tas words. But I come down

361
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: the stairs and I was like, I was on the

362
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000
Speaker 1: phone to my girlfriend and I'm on FaceTime, and I

363
00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,480
Speaker 1: literally normally walk down my stairs and my little pets

364
00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,480
Speaker 1: because when I come into my apartment, I always take

365
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,840
Speaker 1: my shoes off because we live in New York and

366
00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,960
Speaker 1: you're taking rat poo like and dog poo and dog pees.

367
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,120
Speaker 2: I always be taking your shoes off.

368
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,880
Speaker 1: Ye, do not come into my people, do not come

369
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,840
Speaker 1: into my apartment. Yeah, so I take my shoes off immediately.

370
00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,120
Speaker 1: But I have those little peds on, right, so they're

371
00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,320
Speaker 1: like fucking skates, right, So you know, my apartment, So

372
00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,400
Speaker 1: I got to go down Don't worry. My apartment's not big,

373
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,920
Speaker 1: but I do have to go downstairs to my where

374
00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,000
Speaker 1: I sleep and where I shower and stuff, right, So

375
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm got my hand in my hand on FaceTime, so

376
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking down and normally I always put two hands

377
00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,480
Speaker 1: on this on the railings when I go down the stairs,

378
00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, and because they're steep and there would and

379
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,440
Speaker 1: I got my peds on, so I wasn't concentrating. And

380
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,320
Speaker 1: I've done it before. I went down there with all

381
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,280
Speaker 1: of my recyclables and I fucking bit it and all

382
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080
Speaker 1: the recyclables went everywhere and I went boom boom boom

383
00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,800
Speaker 1: boom down like five stairs. And this time I didn't

384
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,200
Speaker 1: have recyclables, but I had my phone on and I

385
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,920
Speaker 1: was looking at it this whole thing. Oh no, And

386
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,600
Speaker 1: I put my hand on the railing, one hand, and

387
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,440
Speaker 1: I bit it. I mean it was like you know

388
00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,320
Speaker 1: those like cartoons, whereas that was me. And I went

389
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 1: up and I landed so hard on the stairs, and

390
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,440
Speaker 1: I had like seteene pants, you know, like satin, sort

391
00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280
Speaker 1: of like Danielle Calm. I said, it's night, it's cotton.

392
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,199
Speaker 1: I go, okay whatever. Basically, when I came down on

393
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,520
Speaker 1: the stairs, because of my pants, it shot me down

394
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,840
Speaker 1: there so fast that I went instead of going boom

395
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,600
Speaker 1: boom boom boom, boom like I did before I went boom,

396
00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,840
Speaker 1: and I bit it so hard, Caitline, I hit my back.

397
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,200
Speaker 1: I ripped my shoulder out of I'm gone to physio

398
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,000
Speaker 1: after this podcast. I ripped my shoulder out of the thing.

399
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,200
Speaker 1: I get down to the bottom and I'm like, Eden's

400
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,240
Speaker 1: on the phone. She goes, did you just fall down

401
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:45,840
Speaker 1: your stairs? And I go, I couldn't talk. You know

402
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,080
Speaker 1: when you get winded. That was me, but it was

403
00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,080
Speaker 1: from my back, and I was like, yeah, I gotta go.

404
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,720
Speaker 1: And I just like go, I've caught you back. Oh

405
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,359
Speaker 1: my god, I've that was some pain. And now I

406
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,560
Speaker 1: am in so much pain still on the left side

407
00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,560
Speaker 1: of my I need the cream. I get over there

408
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,040
Speaker 1: and get back.

409
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 2: We're talking about Naomi suckers back. I had a sympathy

410
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,320
Speaker 2: twinge because last week, just moving on the couch, like

411
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,240
Speaker 2: how I have I have slipped a couple of discs

412
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,480
Speaker 2: a few years ago, and I still have a week

413
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,560
Speaker 2: twinge and I a twin thing happened. Yeah, I shifted

414
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 2: weeks on the couch and.

415
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,040
Speaker 1: I, oh, god, kidding gets suck sucks.

416
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,400
Speaker 2: And I could have used steroids because this is it's depressing.

417
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So here we go.

418
00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 2: So I think we should get in the mix.

419
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the here's the moral of that, involver the

420
00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 1: whole story that I just told you. Caitlin and I

421
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,560
Speaker 1: not only are we taking recreational drugs from time to time,

422
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,400
Speaker 1: but we are definitely going to be on the steroids.

423
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,560
Speaker 1: And we'll let you know how it goes and we'll report. Guys,

424
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm making a comeback to get all the training and

425
00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:50,160
Speaker 1: I need.

426
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: That's actually you should get. Hey, if you come back, Hey,

427
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm using Italian. That's a spot.

428
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 1: That's one six months of steroids. And then I come

429
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 1: back and then I go onto the water drug list

430
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,000
Speaker 1: because then you've got to tell what you're doing every

431
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: single day. Well, how long it'll stay in my system? Okay,

432
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,479
Speaker 1: we'll get onto that.

433
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 2: This is a good investigative project.

434
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So back to the tennis. The other tennis.

435
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 1: But Meddie can I just say he played a point

436
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 1: the other day.

437
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the best point I've seen him play,

438
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: probably ever, was against Italian, the young kid. Yeah, Cobelly Cobelli.

439
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He gets lobbed.

440
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 1: And I'm watching this point, okay, because it comes on

441
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 1: to Twitter and it says you're never gonna believe this

442
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 1: point or whatever. I'm like, okay, whatever. He gets lobbed,

443
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that wasn't that great a point. The

444
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 1: motherfucker runs down this lob I don't know how he

445
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,199
Speaker 1: got to this. It is one of the greatest gets

446
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life as a tennis person.

447
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,919
Speaker 1: He runs back and gets this ball back and ends

448
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 1: up winning the point. And I'm like, and I was

449
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: to go down love forty, serving for the match, and

450
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,439
Speaker 1: he comes back, whin's the game, wins the match. I'm like,

451
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: this guy is a freak.

452
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 2: Defensively, oh, mentality, oh it takes to chase that down, right,

453
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: is now intensive? It. I mean, not only have the

454
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 2: athleticism and how bendy and amazing his tennis is, because

455
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 2: it's it's indescribable. If you've never seen it does not

456
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 2: look athletic in the least, and yet it's unbelievable. But

457
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: the mentality to say I am going to not only

458
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 2: chase this down, but to stay in the point and contend.

459
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 2: That is to me sort of the story of Dniel Medvedev,

460
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 2: which is why he's so fun. He's so fun.

461
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: People. If you didn't see the point and you want

462
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: to see it, I tweeted it out on x so

463
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: get yourself onto my little It's on Twitter page and

464
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 1: I did retweet it about probably four days ago. It's

465
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal. It's one of the greatest points wins I've

466
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. And Daniel Medevidev has had

467
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: some great ones. Unfortunately, he ran into his biggest nemesis

468
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: who he hates to play against. But yet not only

469
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: does he hate to play against him, he tells him

470
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 1: how great he is.

471
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: It's really funny.

472
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 1: It's it's comical.

473
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: It's so the record is six and one or is

474
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 2: it now seven, and I don't know whatever it is.

475
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: He's got one victory.

476
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable and I love the fact that he just

477
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: goes he's the best player I've ever played against.

478
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Hi.

479
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable. And again we are going to have

480
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 1: a final between Yennick Cinna yeah and Carlos and I

481
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: am so here for this.

482
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: They're making whatever arguments you have, and I know there

483
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: are plenty. The time zone is tough for people who

484
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: are listening. Oh I'm getting up, But the truth of

485
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: the matter is, they're still amazing tennis being played. And

486
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: here's case example, and then in the women's side, same.

487
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's really compelling. We have the the

488
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: finals in in Tokyo Hee. What a phenomenally fun guy

489
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: he is to watch play. He is for me, maybe

490
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 2: the French champion on the men's side that they've been

491
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: waiting for since the days of you know Songa who

492
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: came closest Gasca did not come.

493
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: And let me tell you if Feast should never have

494
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: won that match.

495
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: Today, Oh what an incredible did.

496
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: You see match point? Now in the second set? No,

497
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: he has set match point. It's an amazing serve out wide,

498
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: Like you know, his left he can open and he's

499
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: standing in the far far left side, so he gets

500
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: that fully out wide right face, makes a good return

501
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: ish through the middle because you can't go anywhere else,

502
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: but really through the middle. Umber hits an amazing forehand

503
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: down the line and I'm like, dude, go in, go

504
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: in now. Normally I'm a you know me, I'm a

505
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: very big proponent on not going in on the forehand

506
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter. How Like, it's very hard to

507
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: hit a winner. It's very hard to win the point

508
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 1: when you come in on the forehand, because you can

509
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: hit the forehand down the line or cross court really

510
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: quite easily. On the run. You can hold the forehand

511
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: and flick it down the line, or you can whack

512
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: it cross court or guess what, you can hit a

513
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: lob off the forehand side when you're defending. It's a

514
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: lot harder to do that on the back end. First

515
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: of all, to hit a lob off the backhand on

516
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: the dead run is virtually impossible unless you're Leyton Hewett

517
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: and maybe no and maybe Culos yea. It is such

518
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: a hard shot to hit on the full stretch. With

519
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: an open stance, you can go down the line. And

520
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: he made the mistake not covering the line on the

521
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: back end, but he came in, so Feast runs over

522
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: there and he's on the dead run Caitlin, and you

523
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: could see that he had a sliced forehand grip because

524
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: it was such a good fourhand down line. I'm like, dude,

525
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: come into the net. You just make any kind of

526
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: short volley, you win the match. It's over tournament. You're

527
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: holding the trophy. Instead, he stands back and looks at

528
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: it and goes, oh, choking, I don't want to go in.

529
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: Feast runs over, hits a sliced forehand, a chop shot

530
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: like squash shot, and then it's short in the court,

531
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: and then Umberko's and hits a kind of cross court

532
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: forehand because he's lefty down the line and it was

533
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: a good shot. I'm not going to say it wasn't

534
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: a good shot. And he came in, which he should have,

535
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: but too late, and Feast runs over and hits a

536
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: back and down line and it was listen, it was

537
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: a great point. I think Umbert wins the point probably

538
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: six or seven times out of ten, even playing the

539
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: same point. But if he comes in on that forehand,

540
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: he wins the point nine out of ten unless he

541
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: completely chokes the volley. So there's a little lesson there. People,

542
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: when you see your opponent running and they go for

543
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: a sliced forehand, get into the net. The fuck are

544
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: you doing that? So you know what, as soon as

545
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: that was over that second ago, he's not losing now

546
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: because there's no way that Umbert is not thinking about

547
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: that much point. So well done to Feast, and.

548
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: He says cocky as fun, he's so cocky he's so fun.

549
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: I love his I love his care, he's so cute,

550
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: his whole thing.

551
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good for tennis anyway. So yeah, very excited

552
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: about all of that.

553
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, great tennis.

554
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, we lead into the season. Yeah, we've got Sabalanca.

555
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: We'll just go through the women's matches now left in China.

556
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: We've got Sablanca versus Keys. That'll be interesting because Mattie

557
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: Keys is healthy and we know that she can beat Sablenka.

558
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: She was so close to it last year at the

559
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: US Open. And we'll see where Sabolanka is because she's unquestioned.

560
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: It's no question she's the best player in the world

561
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: right now, especially on a hard court Muhova against Boksa

562
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: Mukhovah loving, loving or loving seeing her do well.

563
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: Just want to shout out to her. Being off the

564
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: tour this time last year unbelievable. To being where she is,

565
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: She's unbelievable, is unreal.

566
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: She's so Yeah, but she's so good.

567
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: We know she's so good. We know how she has

568
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: no weakness, variety laid in her game is but still

569
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: it just deserves some praise because to do that and

570
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: to be where she is right now is just unreal.

571
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: And what I really want to call out this reason

572
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: is because Mukhova is not somebody who's been on the

573
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: tip of a lot of people's tongues through the years,

574
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: because she's been cut short by injuries. And I think

575
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: the main thing I want to get across is when

576
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: you see her in a final or in a semi,

577
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear anybody being like, who is she? No,

578
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you have no excuse not.

579
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: To know who she is. Yeah, right now, I'll tell

580
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: you who she is. She's the best all court player

581
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: on the WTA two and has been the best all

582
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: court player for a number of years, maybe second only to,

583
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: of course, former world number one Ash Party.

584
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, yeah.

585
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: No question. She's the best player in every aspect and

586
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: by far the best player at the net. Oh god,

587
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: She's got such beautiful volleys, and trust me, guys, for

588
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: me to say that they're good, okay, because I do

589
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: not give out a lot of positives when it comes

590
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: to volley.

591
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because people Hollywood handshaker.

592
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: That is it is, it is, and I have no

593
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: problem saying it. Lynette against Andreva, good to see her.

594
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: She had a really good win six four and the

595
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: third against Donna Vekich. Donave Kich plays the longest matches

596
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: and looks like she's gonna die every time she plays.

597
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: But I give her credit because she's so awesome. Donna

598
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: get on the spray. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding everybody. No,

599
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. She always looks like she's going to

600
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: die in that too. She's so talented, so down of

601
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: course she's got a female coach.

602
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: Also, Lynette shout out, she care of Paulini.

603
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that was a very good win, six four

604
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: six love. I just wonder what Paulini was thinking to

605
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: At some point, these guys run out of emotional on.

606
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: The natural surfaces. It's natural for her to have a

607
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: bit of a dip, especially.

608
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: For her first year.

609
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: I look at you when she's in.

610
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: The top ten, I know cool, I'm you know who

611
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: else I'm loving seeing and you know, we love Daria

612
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Casakina here, but she went down to Amanda Anissimova and

613
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm loving because she talk about someone's come back from

614
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: injuries and now into injuries and you know, taking a

615
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: break mentally away from the game, and it's already back

616
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: inside the top forty. She's I'm such a good tennis player,

617
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: while she's also well and she's up against your buddy

618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: q ch ch Chen Jung.

619
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean, when Chen Wein is playing at that stadium,

620
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: it looks like a oh my god, it's a rally

621
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: for the Kamala Harrison. Oh yeah, Kamala Harris. Actually I

622
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: was going to say, like the New World Order. It

623
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: is like it's all like a political rally in there.

624
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: It looks like she is running for the presidency and

625
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: maybe she will. Chinwen is the hometown hero gold medalist.

626
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: I mean, that stadium has got to be rocking.

627
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I played in that stadium against

628
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: a player two players from China who had were very

629
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: very very good players and they'd won Grand Slams And

630
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: I was playing with Sam and we were up nine

631
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: to three in the match tie break and we lost.

632
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: It's the biggest loss at match time break ever. And

633
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: let me tell you something, when you're playing against a

634
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: Chinese player in China, it's deafening. These crowds are they

635
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: allowed and they are not really that in like they

636
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: don't really know tennis all the time.

637
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's notable because a lot of these Chin win

638
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: matches and places where they have a sizeable Chinese population.

639
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: New York was one of them, Paris was another. The

640
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: other players started complaining because they would be like the

641
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Chin win fans, the Chinese fans, especially from mainland China,

642
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: which is where she's from, obviously, but not like diaspora Chinese.

643
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: They would take over the cheering in such a way.

644
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: And they're not necessarily old school tennis fans, so they

645
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: don't know quite when to cheer. Had pro tip try

646
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: not to applaud errors. Try to only applaud good shots.

647
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't matter, but that's out the door. Trust me,

648
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I've been there. I mean it was great when it

649
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: was quiet. That was when we were winning, and then

650
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: when we started nine three nine four, nine five, nine

651
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: six nine year seven, it was just like you know anyway,

652
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: start ups as well, another good player that's through against

653
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: khalen Skaya. Karlent Skaya is clent. Sorry, start ups beat

654
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: kalan Sky, who lost her friggin' mind. She broke a racket. Clearly,

655
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, things aren't great in the old you know,

656
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: love life. Maybe I'm just kidding. They're doing well that

657
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I saw her sitting watching him play the other day. Yeah, exactly,

658
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing some darts out there. Shway is back.

659
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: She wins one match, and now she's in the quarterfinals.

660
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: I have to say, did something happen?

661
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: No, she won one match, but listen, I went six

662
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: months and I'm not comparing myself to two years of

663
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: twenty two matches or twenty three matches in a row

664
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: of losing. But Shway has all of a sudden, she

665
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: wins one match and it happened. I went six months

666
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: without winning a match, and I tell you what, when

667
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: I won my first match, had one of my best tournaments.

668
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: It happens because she's just like, thank God, Okay, let's

669
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: just play now.

670
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: So I have to ask. I know part of Schuy's

671
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: issues were injury related, but also part of them were

672
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: There was some she never went home, there was some

673
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: political stuff.

674
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't play the Olympics a couple of years ago,

675
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: and and she was worried literally about going back to China,

676
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: which is and never going out of this country again.

677
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: Bring it up that she is having the success in China.

678
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Because she's given the middle finger to them.

679
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: I think, do you think so or do you think

680
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: she like cut a deal? No way, okay, you know

681
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: got a deal, No way. She just wants to win.

682
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: They're very patriotic. Let me tell you something, and.

683
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: She she has pushed the envelope and I think so.

684
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: To Naomi and credit to a lot of the other

685
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: players who know what as you were saying, it means

686
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: to go winless for a stretch, and you feel for

687
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: her and know what the relief must feel like. So yeah,

688
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: really cool to see her doing this, and sort of

689
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: ironic that it's in China.

690
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: The point was the fact that she's having this run.

691
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Now she plays against Bodoza, so that'll be interesting to

692
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: see what happens there. Anyway, all right, let's get to

693
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: your questions. Everybody seeks Thanks for coming, thanks for writing

694
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: and making and having the time. All right, let's start

695
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: with Karen Gainey. Would you explain the differences in types

696
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: of balls and comment on the Wada appeal? Well, we

697
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: already did that, so there you go. And what you

698
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: think is really Oh, I see you, Karen, I see you. Karen.

699
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: You're asking multiple questions in one tweet.

700
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: You're not done out.

701
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: We'll allow want for this time. Okay, the types of balls. Look,

702
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: it's regular duty is what they use at the US Open,

703
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: for example. Then there's extra duty. Then they have balls

704
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: that are like for altitude as well. But mostly regular

705
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: duty is just you know, your regular felt over the ball,

706
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: and then the extra duty is a little it's just

707
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: a little more felt essentially on the ball. So it's heavier,

708
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: which is why the men love it because they can

709
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: smack the shit out of it and they've all got

710
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, strong arms and strong wrists and strong shoulders.

711
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: And the women prefer, well, should really play with the

712
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: lighter ball, just because it's easier on their arms and

713
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: their wrists and their shoulders. And that's why the US

714
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Open went back to it because the WTA and a

715
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: lot of players complained at the US Open last year

716
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: that they were having problems. And I can tell you

717
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: I played mixed and there were years where we played

718
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: with the men's ball and I'll tell you what, the

719
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: next day, my arm was killing me. And so they

720
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: realized that, oh, this is not great for the women.

721
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: The men they're fine with it because it doesn't make

722
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: any difference to them. It doesn't hurt their arms. So

723
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: that's why we have different types of people.

724
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: We'll say as a good blanket statement. And I believe

725
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: this with coaching on court. I believe this with the scheduling.

726
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: For me, the idea here for all of these rules

727
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: is let's do whatever it takes to make the best

728
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: tennis yeah happen, Yeah right, you want to facilitate the

729
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: best tennis. Yeah, And I think for me, the sport

730
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: always needs to be answering that question primarily is this

731
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: better for the players, It's better for the quality of

732
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: the product. If so, let's adjust.

733
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: And every ball is a little bit different as well.

734
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Penn is different to Wilson, which is different to technifiable,

735
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: which is different to babble out, which is different to

736
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, Dunlamp, and.

737
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Then Slazenger out here with the grass court.

738
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of.

739
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: Different Creationally, you can tell the difference profoundly. I have

740
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: friends of mine who will not play with Penn balls,

741
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: that will only play with Wilson's. I try to bring

742
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: my dun lamps. They get mad.

743
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's me.

744
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: I like the dun lamps.

745
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: That's me. I just have stolen so many cans of

746
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: balls through my career. When I was like us Open

747
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: better at criminal and I did. I know they've given

748
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: to me, I just didn't use them, and then I

749
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: brought them home with me and that's the balls that

750
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: I play with, and a lot of them are from

751
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: the US Open. Thank you, Wilson. Okay, so all right, James,

752
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: wait a second, Karen, because she's gonna and what do

753
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: you think is really going on Reba Kinna. We don't know.

754
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: Well, we did speculate on the last episode, and we,

755
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: more than anything else, hope she is okay.

756
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, What we want everyone to know is that we

757
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: are all pulling for her because she's a great kid,

758
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: a great player, yeah, a lovely person, lovely person and.

759
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: Agreed tennis player. You arguably the best grass court tennis player.

760
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: She's arguably one of the best players in the world

761
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: when she's at her best. I don't think there's anyone better,

762
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: to be honest, and frankly, we need her back out

763
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: there because her rivalry with many of these players is

764
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: really important. And look, you guys know if you listen,

765
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: have listened to our podcast forever. I had my feelings

766
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: and my thoughts when it came to her coach. I

767
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: thought he was not a good h what's the word.

768
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: Element in her?

769
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Yes, good word? Yeah, I thought, you know when she

770
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: listen when I'm playing a match, I don't want to

771
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: see my coach gesture in looking all pissed off up there.

772
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: And there's been some coaches of late that I'm like,

773
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: why do these players allow these coaches to look like this?

774
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Because you need positive you need a positive influence around

775
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: you when you're looking up there now off the court

776
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: and away. He might be the greatest guy that got

777
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: well to her, I don't know, but when it comes

778
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: to being her coach, I saw a way too many

779
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: things of yelling at her in the gym. Other players

780
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: have said stuck to me.

781
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: And that's just not the only person who publicly came

782
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: out and said many stuff that they had seen behind

783
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: the scenes.

784
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: When she would win matches. He was given a shit Yeah.

785
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're kind of like you can only speculate.

786
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: But it didn't pourt to her well.

787
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: And we took it out of our part, me being

788
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: aggressive about like what I saw about him, you know,

789
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: about the things, and we took it out and I

790
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: took it out mostly and I had you take it

791
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: out mostly because she I didn't want her to be

792
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: asked and answer, having to answer the questions about him

793
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: all the time. But you know what, it didn't have

794
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: anything to do me. This is what other people saw.

795
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: There was twenty five people that could say the same

796
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: thing that I was seeing.

797
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: And hopefully that is in fact something she's moving on from.

798
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's hope so.

799
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: That is in fact what's going on anyway.

800
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: Bottom line is we're wishing her the best because, as

801
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: I said, she's great for the game and she's a

802
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: great person. All right. In your opinion from James ten,

803
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: what can could the majors learn from each other? I

804
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: know they have their own unique identities, but for example,

805
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: what does the US Open do really well that you

806
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: think the OS Open might benefit from implementing, etcetera, etcetera.

807
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: All of Oh I got in trouble for this, Caitlin,

808
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: because I said on ESPN, I said, yeah, well, I

809
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: think the US Open and doing a great job with

810
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: this and that and blah blah blah, and I think

811
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: they've learned a lot of things from the Australian Open.

812
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: And they did not like.

813
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: That one you're an ass you're allowed to play.

814
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: So I saw Eric back, who's awesome right. So the

815
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: US Open have done so many great things, particularly this year,

816
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: for the players, for the fans, all the things, and

817
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: they are they will tell you they learned a lot

818
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: of things from the Australian Open. The Australian Open is

819
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: one of these tournaments it's always pushed the envelope. We

820
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: had the roof first, we had the roof of nineteen

821
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: eighty eight people. Okay, that's a long time ago. We

822
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: had that, Yeah, nineteen eighty eight. That's when we moved

823
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: from Kuyong to the rod Laver Arena. Was nineteen eighty eight.

824
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: Because we also wanted to use it as a multifunction.

825
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: So when now the top recording artists go down there,

826
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: really big ones go like Taylor Swift is at the

827
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Melbourne Cricket Ground, the MCG, whereas you know, other stars

828
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: go and play at the rod Laver Arena, like Pink

829
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: sold out the rod Laver Inna like seven eleven times.

830
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: So we use that all the time. It's part basketball

831
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: is played there. So I think other Grand Slams were like,

832
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: oh shit, maybe we can use it multi more of

833
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: a multi event. I mean, look, Roland Garris had the

834
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: boxing at the Olympics.

835
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: And Garos also did played hosts for the last I

836
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: think definitely last year and maybe also this year for

837
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: Paris Fashion Week, really had the giant Lacoste fashion show

838
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: on the red clay that had been sort of remolded

839
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: in a really cool way, and it was really awesome,

840
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: as it was in the Paris Olympics context to say

841
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: it used in a different way. So certainly that the

842
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: one thing I will say that I like about Paris,

843
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: which is frequently derided among tennis fans. I don't know why.

844
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: I like the fact that Paris has the best merch

845
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: by a mile, it has the best sort of chic

846
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: on ground.

847
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: It is. It's just unique and it's comparable.

848
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: It's pretty gorgeous, whereas Wimbledon for me, always the worst.

849
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: They're there, the grounds are sort of teaming with a.

850
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Lot of like, oh, Wimbledon itself is the best, but.

851
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: Wimbledon itself is the best. Like the actual grounds, in

852
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: the actual facilities, it's just so beautiful.

853
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: They're all different.

854
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: I need to recuse myself because I have not been

855
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: to Melbourne. I've not been to the Australian Open. But

856
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: but from Afar it is very easy. It's their approach

857
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: to making it part of Australian culture and part of

858
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Australian urban life is something that I wish. It's too

859
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: late now because you can't relocate the other three to

860
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: moreral locations. You can go, but it's too late for me.

861
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: But I do think like I would have loved to

862
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: see other cities follow their lead and put their facility

863
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: closer so that you can walk to it, because then

864
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: it becomes part of the fabric of the city and

865
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: then it becomes used more to your point, like Charleston

866
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: was so cool in similarly, making a facility that gets

867
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: used as a concert venue, it's used for all other

868
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: cultural stuff. Like to me, that is a real missed

869
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: opportunity when you put your stadium way far out with

870
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: the idea that you're going to attract drivers. My wife

871
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: is also an urban planner, so this is something I think.

872
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: About get her on the up.

873
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: I have soft pitched the US open moving to Randall's Island,

874
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: and my friends to the USTA were like, well, that's

875
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: an idea we haven't heard before. So you know, I'm

876
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: realize that. You know, I'm a little bit of a

877
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: disruptive thinker, but I do think like making something feel

878
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: like it's more part of a city and not in

879
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere. Does wonders make it in central

880
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Parkburg would hate that. They don't even want to bubble

881
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: over the tennis courts because it's an eyesore for the

882
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 2: people who bought that expensive real estate around the park.

883
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: But I do think making use of the fact that

884
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: it's more in the city and centrally located would be

885
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: very cool.

886
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, Australia Open is a carnival. It's just a

887
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: load of fun. And look, the Usta did learn a

888
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: lot of things. That's why they had the bands playing on.

889
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought that was cool. This year

890
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: they had much more.

891
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Bands, they had much more pro DJ. They had that

892
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: because the Austraine Open had it, so they learn it.

893
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Is definitely something that they, I think have embraced. That's cool.

894
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, all of them are very different.

895
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wimbledon's not going to change a lot because of

896
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: the tradition is actually what makes it special. Although we

897
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: just heard that they are getting the plans for building

898
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: across the road, which is awesome. That's where they'll have

899
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: qualifying now or have more courts, more practice facilities, it'll

900
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit e easier for all the crowd

901
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: to sort of get around, because it does get very

902
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: very claustrophobic at Wimbledon at times. But also at the

903
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: same time, I'm sort of sad for the Wimbledon people

904
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: that live in Wimbledon because those those parks over there

905
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: are absolutely spectacular and all the families go there. So

906
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: hopefully they work out a way to still have it

907
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: be a public facility for people, because.

908
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: It's for Wimbledon in their solid that I would love

909
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: to see the other Slams do is the queue really

910
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: is special because it makes daily affordable tickets possible possible,

911
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: and it ensures that there's this's player of fans who

912
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: are there for the tennis and motivated not just by

913
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: and not just well. I don't know where they're going

914
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: to put the queue now, Caitlin, because that because the

915
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: queue was in the park. Que was in the park,

916
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: So what are they going to do?

917
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, they run out of space.

918
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: The first time I went to Wimbledon and it was

919
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: so cool. We just spent hours in a park.

920
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: Were they handing out deergorant?

921
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: They handed out chocolate and tea?

922
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh so English? I love it. Tirana Saurus flex, who

923
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: always writes to us, what, well, so does everybody, So

924
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, Tana not that special. I'm just kidding. What's

925
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: two things you'd like to see club players do more

926
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: often in their matches. Well, we talked about it, poach.

927
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: We want to see that. But I'll tell you one

928
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: thing that really helps you. If you're if you're playing

929
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: as someone who has average volleys, take your return at

930
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: the net person immediately. If you're playing doubles, take it

931
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: out them immediately, and then keep going back to them

932
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: and then eventually they'll be running back to the baseline.

933
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: That's a really good and tell your partner I'm going

934
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: to go at the net person so you be ready

935
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: for that.

936
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: She want to see more aggressive club players because like Claire,

937
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: my wife, who's a three five. Wait, she runs into

938
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: the net and wins tons of free points because nobody

939
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: knows what to do at her level when she's at

940
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: the net. It's so cool. Aggression pleas are pease?

941
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: Are wait? I forgot at the start of the pod

942
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about and now we've now

943
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: we've just done such a great segue. We're going to

944
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: leave the questions for a second and talk about this

945
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: psycho lady that has gone viral for the man hitting

946
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: her quote unquote with the ball and she loses her mind.

947
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen it, I did repost that

948
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: as well, where she throws the racket. He goes into

949
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: the net on the first one and then she stumps

950
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: up there and she grabs a racket and she throws

951
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: it to him. I was like, what is right? And

952
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: then she goes, fuck you, fuck you, and she's like

953
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: while flipping the bird, right, flipping the bird. I mean,

954
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: this woman needs help. I don't know who she is,

955
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she's so embarrassed by this going viral

956
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: because she was probably thinking I can do this and

957
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: get away with it. Wherever it was, it looked like

958
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: it was in San Jose.

959
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, it's definitely southern California. She did not know

960
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: is in northern California, filmed fan wherever it is. She

961
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: didn't know she was going to be.

962
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: She did not know that thing was going. I looked

963
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: at how many people looked at it was like millions.

964
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, lady, you.

965
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: Hit a pretty soft ball.

966
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: He hit the perfect shot.

967
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: It's what you want to do in doubles, which is

968
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: go at the feet of the doubles person. If you

969
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: have a put away volley at the net, you go

970
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: at your opponent's feet.

971
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: You go to the person that's closest to you at

972
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the feet. If he goes back to the baseline, then

973
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: he has to start the it's restarting the point.

974
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: The only reason I've ever seen anybody justifiably get mad

975
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: at a peg which is in college, in college tennis,

976
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: where pegging people at the net was basically it's own sport. Yeah,

977
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: And it's when you go at someone's head on purpose,

978
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: and you were not supposed to go on their head

979
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: at their head on purpose, because if you try to

980
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: hit the net person in their head and they duck,

981
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: the ball is going out. So it's nothing is intended

982
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: more than pain when you try to hit somebody at

983
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: the net in their head. Yeah, if you're hitting their feet,

984
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: who cares? Oh my god, this woman a ball at

985
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: your feet? What do you have the most glass feet?

986
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of is that she'd

987
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: been hit twenty five times in that match.

988
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: So if if yeah, maybe this was if a lady

989
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: out there who wants to get a hold of me,

990
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: and you're clearly a tennis fan and you listen to

991
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: this podcast, get a hold of me on Twitter, or

992
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: if you have a friend, get a hold of me

993
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: on Twitter and let me know, wasn't the.

994
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Twenty fifth time on Yes, let's get her on the

995
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: podcast and let me tell you something, honey. If it

996
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: was the twenty fifth time, okay, maybe I can understand

997
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: that you've absolutely lost your shit finally. But also at

998
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the same time, if it's the twenty fifth time, blame

999
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: your fucking partner, okay, because he's setting you up. He's

1000
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: setting you on it. And in mixed doubles, if the

1001
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: man has the ball, like my old mixed doubles partner,

1002
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: Todd would Bridge, one of the greatest doubles partners players

1003
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: of all time, would say to me, as you've all

1004
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: heard on this pod, hit it to the chick stubbsy.

1005
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: So the goal is you go at the woman because

1006
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: often the woman is a little bit, even as pros,

1007
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: a little bit not as strong and not as powerful

1008
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: as the man. So sorry, honey, but if it was

1009
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth time, you need to find another sport

1010
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: if you're going to get upset.

1011
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair. This woman would last one day in college, Senna.

1012
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: This woman would last three seconds on the court with me.

1013
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Mary Joe Fernandez said to me one time when I

1014
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: was going to play her. And you know, Mary Joe

1015
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: and I are friends for a long time, and Mary

1016
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Joe is one of the nicest people alive. She literally

1017
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: said to me before we went on the court, stubbsy,

1018
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: don't hit me today. Please, don't hit me today. And

1019
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't turn you back there. You'll be fine,

1020
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: all right, So okay, Stephen, okay. Carolyn Proski says if

1021
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: rules in tennis were to change, like around throwing rackets

1022
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: or reducing men's Grand Slam matches to best of three

1023
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: instead of five, what is actually the official process and

1024
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: who would initiate the idea of a rule change and

1025
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: who votes on it? Basically, the players, the players and

1026
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: the tours get together. The tours then go to the

1027
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: ITF and to the Grand slams and say this is

1028
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: what we want to do, like, for example, the best

1029
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: of three doubles sets now that have the third set

1030
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: tiebreaks and the ten point tie break at the third set,

1031
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. They all have to get together. It all

1032
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: has to be a bit of a consensus to make

1033
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: big rule changes like that. Everybody has to be on

1034
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: the same page. And you know, the Grand Slams can

1035
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: do whatever they want. They can do whatever they want.

1036
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: They don't need the consensus of anybody. You know, the

1037
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Grand Slams will all get together and say right from

1038
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: now I we're going to have two sets and that's it,

1039
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and nobody has any chance. I mean, the players may bitch,

1040
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: am otter, strike and not go and play, but the

1041
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Grand Slams can sort of make their own decisions. But

1042
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: most of the time it's a collaborative conversation with the

1043
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: w as it should be. Yeah, so that's how we

1044
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: do those things, all right, Stephen stroke Stokes, has Garcia

1045
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: made the right move by taking the rest of the

1046
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: season off? Do you think her heart is still in

1047
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: tennis these days? Well, Stephen, I don't know. I mean,

1048
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: that's a conversation only that Caro can answer.

1049
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: And that you can listen to because she has a

1050
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: very very good podcast called The Tennis Insider Club where

1051
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: she talks a lot about her feelings about the sport.

1052
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: I think anytime a player wants to shut their.

1053
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Have you heard from her on this subject.

1054
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: Not on this subject in particular, but she wrote a

1055
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: piece for Racket in the last issue, not the one

1056
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: that's currently out, issue number twenty four, about how it

1057
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: has her podcast has allowed her to enrich her relationship

1058
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: with tennis, understand it more, and also be able to

1059
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: process some of the highs and lows. Right, I think

1060
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: anytime a player wants to take a beat, we should

1061
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: support them. I think it's like Chapel run right, Like

1062
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: a great singer who's number one on all the charts,

1063
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: selling out venues across the country. She decides, Hey, this

1064
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: is really overwhelming. I'm not feeling it right now. I've

1065
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: got some mental health stuff going on. All right, shut

1066
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: it down.

1067
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: And I want want to answer a question that you're

1068
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: going to ask me.

1069
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: We want you to be happy when you play. Watching

1070
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: a performer, whether they're a musician or a tennis player,

1071
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: be out there and be miserable. Sucks.

1072
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I think it's fine. I would take

1073
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: all of the rest of the year off after the

1074
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: US Open if you can afford it, for sure. I mean,

1075
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: as I said, Serena did it for the last like

1076
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: felt like the last seven or eight years. Of her

1077
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: career and you know, extended her career to playing at

1078
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: forty years of age. So I think it's a good idea.

1079
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: If you don't feel it, don't do it.

1080
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, especially if you're not playing well, we have

1081
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: probably time for one or two.

1082
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: Mong yep, Genie Renee, what do you think of bringing

1083
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: back bonus points when a lower ranked player beats a

1084
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: top ten player? Yes?

1085
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: Or no?

1086
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's a bit of a tough one because, Genie,

1087
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: here's the problem. The top ten player could have a

1088
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: really bad day one day and you happen to get

1089
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: that win, or they could have, you know, not feeling

1090
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: well or whatever it is, and sort of that's a

1091
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: massive amount of points by beating one player. And then

1092
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: you think a player wins three matches in the same

1093
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: tournament walks away with the same points. It's kind of

1094
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: a little bit unfair. Part of me still thinks it's

1095
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: a good idea because you should be rewarded for beating

1096
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: somebody good, But in the end, I think it's fairer

1097
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: if we just leave it the way it is. I

1098
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: played for a long time with bonus points, and I

1099
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: think they were good in some way, because if you're

1100
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: beating the number one player in the world, for example,

1101
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: and then getting the same spot as somebody who's beaten

1102
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: to you know, a lucky losing a qualify, it's probably like, well, fuck,

1103
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, I should probably get more out of that.

1104
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't know. It's a

1105
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: tough one. But the players are the ones that make

1106
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: that decision, and they have stuck with this not having

1107
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: bonus points, So there you go. It's a consensus for

1108
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: the players. All right, Tieranasaurus flex again. Can you give

1109
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: some tips on how to return a one handed back end? Good?

1110
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: How to hit it? Yeah?

1111
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: Good turn? Good, racketead turn, good body turn. Use your

1112
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: left arm to push back or your right arm, your

1113
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: non dominant arm. Really keep it back like you're sort

1114
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: of it's hard for me to show you on a podcast,

1115
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: but don't let that your opposite arm come through at

1116
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: the same time. So really push it back and extend

1117
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: and finish your backhand. Really finish it. That's important. Don't

1118
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: look to where you're returning, just you know, let the

1119
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: rackethead go as I say. Finish, finish, finish. Okay, all right,

1120
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: we've got a couple left. Caitlin jpeg hit slat. We

1121
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: like this jpeg. Out of these current WTA players who

1122
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: haven't won a Slam yet, who are you surprised that

1123
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: hasn't done it? Blah blah blah, Keys, Pagoula, Vekig, Sitelina Sakari, Sakari, Plishkova, Jibur, Mukhova, Garcia.

1124
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one of those, who's the

1125
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: most surprising hasn't done it.

1126
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm discounting Mukhova because she's been injured, yep. Otherwise I

1127
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: think she would have yep.

1128
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: Garcia probably come on, over, come on. She hasn't even

1129
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: been made a set final.

1130
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: She won the tour final.

1131
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: No mate, no okay. If that's your answer, that's your answer,

1132
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: that's your answer. My answer would have to be probably

1133
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: a tie between Plishkober, who's been number one in the world.

1134
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 2: Tie is a terrible answer.

1135
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: Number one in the world and made the finals and

1136
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: was two holds of servers, one of the best servers

1137
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: in the world, winning the US Open and beat Venus

1138
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: and Serena back to back in that tournament. And yes,

1139
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Oons has made three grands On finals. So of all

1140
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: those players onbur should have won one.

1141
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: That's correct.

1142
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: All right, monkey Bread Coco is working with Matt Day.

1143
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: I've seen it written he specialized in his and technique thoughts.

1144
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: We've already sort of talked about that. Last question and

1145
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: last question, Julia Lenvei wider appeal. If everyone agrees that

1146
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: there is no case for performance enhancing doping in Yannick's case,

1147
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: why is there a case at all? Put differently, why

1148
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: does anyone care about the responsibilities if there is nothing

1149
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: to be responsible for? Well, in some respects, what they

1150
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: say is if your team does something, you're responsible for

1151
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: your team. And I don't think that there's anything wrong

1152
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: with that. But I think the bottom line answer to

1153
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: theirs is why and why. I've talked about this in

1154
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: the podcast. Why do we even know about someone being

1155
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: under suspicion if they don't get a suspension. Yes, we

1156
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: should not even know Yannick Sinner was even under suspicion

1157
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: if he wasn't charged with anything. I think you keep playing,

1158
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: and you keep doing this until you're either seen as

1159
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: guilty and that like let's say, let's say at Cincinnati

1160
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: they came back and said, yep, you are responsible, you

1161
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: are done. Then you take all the points, You take

1162
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: all the money, and you suspend then for the two

1163
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: years after that, or maybe you work out a system

1164
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: for that because you took all these points away for

1165
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: that nine months or six months that he was playing whatever.

1166
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: I think there's a better system, But my big I've

1167
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: been told by somebody, a lawyer, said for transparency reasons,

1168
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: that's why they do it, YadA YadA. I don't feel

1169
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: like that that's the right thing. You were ruining someone's

1170
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: career by doing this.

1171
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it didn't help him that they found him

1172
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: innocent because everyone knew about it, and then it cast

1173
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: immediate suspicion over everything. I think what should happen is

1174
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: a positive test results in an automatic appeal and an investigation.

1175
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: Then you go through the motions regardless of whether somebody

1176
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: has high priced lawyers as he did or not, and

1177
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: it becomes an automatically assumed period where nobody knows about

1178
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: what's happening but the authorities.

1179
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: Now, there has to be a period of time, right,

1180
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: So he within that twenty four hour period, he already

1181
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: was like h the physio or whatever was like, we

1182
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: know what it was, this is what it is, and

1183
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: he made the appeal quick, which is why it didn't

1184
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: happen for other players, But I'm.

1185
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Saying it should happen automatically. I think the if we

1186
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: want to believe that the notion in a judicial system

1187
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: is that people are innocent until proven guilty. In the

1188
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: case of doping, we should presume they are innocent and

1189
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: that a test result that is positive or multiple ones

1190
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: is the case. Here were false positives. Let's just assume.

1191
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: Let's give everyone the better way.

1192
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't a false positive, but there was a reason

1193
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: why they u no, no, no, no.

1194
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, let's assume it was a false positive. Yeah, right,

1195
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: Let's go with the default that this person is not

1196
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 2: at fault. Then the process plays out and we only

1197
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: hear about it if they're found guilty. That would be

1198
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: a better system. That would be fair to everyone, regardless

1199
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: of their resources for lawyers, and I think it would

1200
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: hold the entirety of the governing body accountable and make

1201
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: everything equitable among players, which was also at play here,

1202
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: which is why some of the players were so angry

1203
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: at Yanik because he had resources that they maybe didn't,

1204
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: and he was It gave the appearance of a double

1205
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: standard for sure, whether it was or not, and so

1206
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: for me, the appearance of corruption is often just as

1207
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: bad as corruption, and so just automatically resolve the system

1208
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: to be into an automatic appeal. We only hear about

1209
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: it if they're guilty. Yeah, that would resolve almost every

1210
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: part of this.

1211
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and look, and the bottom line is,

1212
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: in the end, it's just the same as the criminal

1213
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: justice system in every country. If you have the money,

1214
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: it does help you get the right advice and often

1215
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: you get away with stuff because you're able to have

1216
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: somebody speak for you and do this. So anyway, look,

1217
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, we love you guys listening to us.

1218
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: We've waffled on today question. Yeah, we appreciate you all

1219
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: writing in et cetera. Tell your friends they can write us.

1220
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: And if you find I won't call her Karen. But

1221
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: if you can't find lady lady on the court who

1222
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: lost her mind, who wants to talk to us and

1223
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: give us the background, or if she wants to hide

1224
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: and go away, I don't blame her. So for now,

1225
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: go Liberty. They're on tonight, And yeah, that's it.

1226
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: Are we done? All right? Bye?

1227
00:54:29,960 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: We're done, Bye, guys,