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Speaker 3: Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I said that we

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Speaker 3: What do we have for this?

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing person Foremost because Sager is that thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks nice to have you here, my friends. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed your time. I do much deserved.

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Speaker 3: I certainly did.

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Speaker 1: All right, lots to get to this morning. So actually

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Speaker 1: just breaking, I just saw this. HESBLA says that one

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Speaker 1: of their commanders was killed in a strike. This comes

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Speaker 1: all of that down for you. Also, this was really

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Speaker 1: something the Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin was secretly hospitalized

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Speaker 1: A crazy story, and apparently he's still hospitalized.

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Speaker 4: So we'll break that down for you.

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Speaker 1: I've got Obama freaking out about Biden's reelection prospects and

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Speaker 1: trying to intervene. We've got a billionaire freaking out about

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Speaker 4: Lots to say about that.

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Speaker 1: One we'll talk Saga is taking a look at that

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Speaker 1: horrifying situation on an airplane where the whole door blew out.

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Speaker 1: Thank god everybody was safe, but it has grounded again

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Speaker 1: a number of planes. And excited to talk today to

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Speaker 1: Ahmed Khan. He is a former Biden donor who was

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Speaker 1: done and had it over Biden's unconditional support of Israel.

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Speaker 4: So we'll speak with him about his thinking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, but before we get to any of that,

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Speaker 2: it is the new year, an election season is officially on.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty four, So if you can.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and sign up to help us out, we

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Speaker 2: would greatly appreciate it, just to show you that we're

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Speaker 2: very serious, and we're already hitting the ground. This week

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Speaker 2: on Thursday in the state of Michigan, we will be

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Speaker 2: conducting a focus group with ORFK Junior supporter. So this

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Speaker 2: as we did previously with Trump and with Democrats, voters,

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Speaker 2: talking to them about why they support OURFK Junior, what

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Speaker 3: We're going to get really down into the specifics.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to treat him as I think

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Speaker 3: Why do you support our FK Junior.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting, of course talking to the Republicans and

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Speaker 4: The people who are saying I'm with RFK.

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Speaker 1: How strong is their support do they consider themselves, form're Democrats, Republicans?

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Speaker 1: And like Sager said, the Iowacaucuses are freaking'.

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Speaker 1: So it is all upon us, all right. So speaking

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Speaker 1: This was a really quite bombshell report from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Chanzer. I'm going to contextualize him a

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Speaker 3: He says.

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Speaker 2: In the aftermath of the idea of strike, the killed

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Speaker 2: He says that the Israeli media is now openly speaking

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Speaker 2: Officials are now leaking that Israel cannot afford such a war.

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Speaker 2: He says, Israel's northern residents will not return until the

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Speaker 2: difficult decisions lie ahead, mistakes can be easily made. All

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Speaker 2: this goes hot with Hezbolah, the Hoothy attacks, the Iranian attacks,

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Speaker 2: the attacks on American soldiers, and the likelihood. I actually,

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Speaker 2: and especially if Irani and proxy attacks continue, there's simply

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Speaker 3: but there's just I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, given the current environment, given the political situation, the

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Speaker 2: the Middle East. If you attack us, then what is it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other choice. Yeah, that I think

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever been more fraud and dangerous

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Speaker 1: and more clear the escalatory track that we're already on.

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Speaker 1: from you know, the bombs and the bullets, the starvation,

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Speaker 1: dehydration and disease is likely to ultimately claim more lives

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Speaker 1: than even we've seen from the direct assault.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a direct assault, looting, all of that.

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Speaker 2: There's also some breaking news I want to mention Crystal

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Speaker 2: is tying us a little bit back that just came

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Speaker 2: from Haratz. One hundred and three Israeli soldiers were just

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Speaker 2: wounded yesterday in the war. Only nineteen of those in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: So that's over eighty Israeli soldiers wounded in a single

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Speaker 2: day by Hesbolo.

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Speaker 3: I mean those are stunning numbers. I mean this just

447
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Speaker 3: just came out.

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Speaker 4: Now, this.

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Speaker 3: Is at the northern front, you know, in for israel I.

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Speaker 2: Just wanted to mention it because I mean that's what

451
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Speaker 2: they It took them weeks to lose one hundred people

452
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Speaker 2: or to even have a wounded casualties in Gaza, just

453
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Speaker 2: to demonstrate again the military capabilities. This is what actual

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Speaker 2: ballistic missiles look like, not you know, pittily little rockets

455
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Speaker 2: that are launched from Gaza. So all that situation, you know,

456
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Speaker 2: together is really really terrifying. We have this last piece

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Speaker 2: we can put up here about the escalating attacks between

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Speaker 2: the US and the HOO. This they say the US

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Speaker 2: six to contain the running proxies is concerns about a

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Speaker 2: wide middle East war is breaking out are increasing and honestly,

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Speaker 2: this policy has been a failure of been watching from

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Speaker 2: Afar to watch.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've watched the vast.

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Speaker 2: Majority of traffic that was supposed to go through the

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Speaker 2: Red Sea now divert around the Horn of Africa. The

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Speaker 2: big problem with that is it costs a lot of

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Speaker 2: money and all of us are the ones who are

468
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Speaker 2: going to be paying for it. So congratulations, inflation is

469
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Speaker 2: almost certainly going to be back. This is a devastating

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Speaker 2: blow actually to the European economies. This was an easier

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Speaker 2: way for a lot of them to get goods. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Chinese and others are going to be going around

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Speaker 2: in different ways. But this level of disruption to global

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Speaker 2: shipping is absolutely unprecedented. We have not seen anything like

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Speaker 2: it since the Russian invasion, and before that, honestly, we

476
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Speaker 2: had not seen anything like that in decades, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe the Suez crisis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Houthis are very clear about why they're doing this.

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Speaker 1: It is in direct response to Israel's assault on Gaza

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Speaker 1: and our enabling of that, by the way, and they

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Speaker 1: actually put on a statement saying listen, we're actually upholding

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Speaker 1: you know, the Genocide Convention, which obligates you not only

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Speaker 1: to not commit genocide, but to take actions to prevent genocide.

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Speaker 1: They say, hey, that's what we're up to here, that's

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Speaker 1: why we're taking these actions that we're taking. So again,

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Speaker 1: you have this long CNN report, you know, defense officials

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Speaker 1: leaking to them, freaking out about the risk and the

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Speaker 1: possible broader war. And nowhere in it do they indicate

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Speaker 1: there's a very clear your direction to go in to

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Speaker 1: stop and to cease these hostilities and to you know,

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Speaker 1: eliminate the risk that this blows up into some larger

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Speaker 1: conflict and that's a ceasefire. That's to push for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: Nowhere is that reported in the press. They don't put

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Speaker 1: that context in whatsoever that you know, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: pull this coalition together. It is like a new coalition

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Speaker 1: of the well it did. There were countries that initially

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Speaker 1: joined that back down. We never really had significant regional participation.

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Speaker 1: Bahrain that was the only regional country that participated at all.

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Speaker 1: People didn't want to be associated with it. And so

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Speaker 1: it really has been yet another humiliating failure for the

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Speaker 1: US here in terms of their attempt to deal.

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Speaker 2: With that, I want to spend some just a few

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Speaker 2: moments on this because I've seen a lot of people like,

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Speaker 2: let's bomb them, and I'm not above bombing. You kill

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Speaker 2: an American soldier, you target a US flagship, we should

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Speaker 2: bomb the hell out of you. Here's the issue. The

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Speaker 2: Cassaudis have carpet bombed Yemen to Kingdom.

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Speaker 3: Come right, what happened? Who these won? They won the war.

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Speaker 2: So it's like if bombs could solve this issue, then

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Speaker 2: the Saudi would have already done it. And if you

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Speaker 2: think that, you know they're incompetent or whatever. They're using

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Speaker 2: our weapons. Just so everybody knows. We were helping them

514
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Speaker 2: pick targets and we were helping, you know, supplying their

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Speaker 2: entire war and Yemen it became a horrific humanitarian disaster.

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Speaker 2: And the Hohothis still have the capabilities. This is Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: this is not a problem which can be solved with

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Speaker 2: airpower alone. To solve this and to actually put an

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Speaker 2: end to the attacks, we could pursue diplomacy, or we're

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Speaker 2: going to have to occupy Yemen.

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Speaker 3: We there's just no other way around it.

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Speaker 2: Actual, you know, ground soldiers would have to go in

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Speaker 2: and they would have to dig them out of the

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Speaker 2: fortifications that they've had now throughout the entire civil war,

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Speaker 2: they have huge stockpiles of weapons. I mean, the military

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Speaker 2: capability of the Hoothies.

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Speaker 3: And of Hesbola.

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Speaker 2: I would put it on par with like Europe, a

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Speaker 2: small European nation. It's it's not a paramilitary force in

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Speaker 2: the same way that Hamas is. So I just want to,

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Speaker 2: you know, to put that out there because people are like, well,

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Speaker 2: why isn't the military doing anything?

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Speaker 3: They would if they could.

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Speaker 2: That's not you know, if it was as simple as

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Speaker 2: just bombing a single ballistic missile state or whatever inside

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Speaker 2: of Yemen, it would be easy. But you know, we

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Speaker 2: have learned from the Saudis that it's not that simple.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, the Saudi's in the middle of there

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Speaker 2: were they often had missiles raining down on their own

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Speaker 2: country and they have freaking patriot batteries and all of that.

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Speaker 2: This would take billions of dollars and there was just

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Speaker 2: no there would be no way of quote unquote solving

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Speaker 2: this problem without American ground troops. Also, Saudi campaign shows

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Speaker 2: us up for sure.

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Speaker 1: There's an ongoing peace negotiation with Saudi and the Houthi's

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Hoothy's control portion of Yemen, including the

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Speaker 1: capital city. The Saudi backed you know forces control another

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Speaker 1: part of Yemen. So there's this ongoing process to come

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Speaker 1: to some sort of negotiated terms. US is also concerned

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Speaker 1: about upsetting that process. The Saudis don't want that process upset,

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Speaker 1: So there's those considerations as well. But you know, from

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Speaker 1: the Houthis perspective, this has been tremendously.

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Speaker 4: Prestige building for that of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tremendous disrupting global shipping.

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Speaker 1: This little force that's able to like disrupt the whole

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Speaker 1: globe and have massive and now go and toe to

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Speaker 1: toe with the you know, world's great superpower if we

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Speaker 1: struck them directly, if we hit them directly, that would

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Speaker 1: only further enhance their prestige. I mean for them, this

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Speaker 1: is really a win win situation that they have figured

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Speaker 1: out here because there was some you know, discontent among

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Speaker 1: their own people, as you know, as the war is

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Speaker 1: coming to a close, and so the Palestinian cause is

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Speaker 1: one that unites everyone in Yemen. So they're able to

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Speaker 1: demonstrate that they're fully behind that they're able to raise

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Speaker 1: their profile globally, and you know, if we were to

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Speaker 1: hit them, that's we're saying like they've been bombed to hell.

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Speaker 1: If bombs were the answer, that would have been solved

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Speaker 1: long ago. I just want to come back finally, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll move on to some of the information that's

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Speaker 1: come out about the way the media is reporting on

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Speaker 1: all of this conflict. That there is a very simple

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Speaker 1: way for this to all to end, and that's sort

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Speaker 1: a ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, the hu this have made it

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Speaker 4: clear this is their beef.

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Speaker 1: They will stop messing with the Red Sea if you

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Speaker 1: have a ceasefire. The attacks in a rock, those will

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Speaker 1: stop if there's a ceasefire, the escalation with HESBLA, if

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Speaker 1: there's a So there is a very clear direction we

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Speaker 1: should be going in if we are concerned about these things,

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Speaker 1: and more bombs and more aircraft carriers and more handring

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Speaker 1: to the Washington Post is not going to solve the problem.

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Speaker 2: I unfortunately think you're probably right, and I don't see

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Speaker 2: a situation. But I mean, the political wins in Israel

586
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Speaker 2: are just so far, you know, beyond that that until

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Speaker 2: something really truly breaks here in Washington, which I think

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Speaker 2: we're still a very very long way away from this

589
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Speaker 2: is the more likely page, and it.

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Speaker 4: Really is Biden.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very clear now that even his top

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Speaker 1: defense officials seem very unhappy with the direction things are

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Speaker 1: going in.

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Speaker 4: This really does come down.

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Speaker 3: When they're conscious and more. We see you go again

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 1: This was quite a report from the intercept. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. So Daniel Boguslaw reported this

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Speaker 1: out for them. The headline here as CNN is running

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Speaker 1: Gaza coverage past their Jerusalem team, operating under the shadow

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Speaker 1: of the IDF censor. So here's a little bit of context.

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Speaker 1: Any foreign news outlet rating in Israel is obligated to

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Speaker 1: run all their stories past the IDF sensor, and with

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Speaker 1: very predictable results. Now, other news organizations have made the

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Speaker 1: choice to route their Israel coverage through other bureaus outside

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Speaker 1: of Israel to try to avoid this censorship. CNN has

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Speaker 1: not done that. Let me read you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the report. This is sort of laying out what

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Speaker 1: I just said. Like all foreign news organizations operating in Israel,

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Speaker 1: CNN's Jerusalem bureau is subject to the rules of the

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Speaker 1: IDF Censor, which dictates subjects that are off limits for

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Speaker 1: news organizations to cover, and sensors articles it deems unfit

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Speaker 1: or unsafe to print. As The Intercept reported last month,

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Speaker 1: the military censor recently restricted eight different subjects, including security

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Speaker 1: cabinet meetings, information about hostages, reporting on weapons captured by

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Speaker 1: fighters in Gaza. In order to obtain a press pass

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Speaker 1: in Israel, foreign reporters must sign a document agreeing to

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Speaker 1: abide by the dictates of that sensor. Only democratcs see

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East people. Also in October, CNN hired

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Speaker 1: a former IDF soldier to contribute writing and reporting to

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Speaker 1: CNN's war coverage. Tomar Mchayley's first byline appears on October seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: just ten days after Hamas's attack. Since then, her name

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Speaker 1: has appeared on dozens of stories citing the IDF spokesperson

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Speaker 1: and relaying info about the IDFs operations in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 1: At least one story that has her byline alone is

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Speaker 1: little more than a direct statement released from the IDF,

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Speaker 1: So this is who they brought in for their coverage,

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Speaker 1: which they are also choosing to run by the IDF censor.

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Speaker 1: She apparently served in the IDF's spokesperson unit, a division

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Speaker 1: of Israeli military charge with carrying out positive pr both

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Speaker 1: domestically and abroad.

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Speaker 4: Seems like she still works for that unit actually, and.

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Speaker 1: Israel coverage is subject to a special review process that

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Speaker 1: is unique to just exclusively to Israel coverage. A CNN's

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Speaker 1: staff member described how the policy works in practice. Quote

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Speaker 1: war crime and j side are taboo words. Israeli bombings

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Speaker 1: and Gaza will be reported as quote blasts attributed to

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Speaker 1: nobody until the Israeli military ways into either acceptors and

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Speaker 1: i responsibility. Quotes an info provided by Israeli army and

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Speaker 1: government officials tend to be approved quickly, while those from

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Speaker 1: Palestinians tend to be heavily scrutinized and slowly processed. Sober

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if a news outlet was running all

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Speaker 1: of their stories by Hamas Yes before publishing it, how

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Speaker 1: people would feel about that, And yet CNN thinks that

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Speaker 1: this is all fine and well and good and counts

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Speaker 1: as journalism.

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Speaker 3: It's just outrageous.

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Speaker 2: You know. There's so many ways in which there's media

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Speaker 2: manipulation that happens behind the scenes and eventually just comes

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Speaker 2: really forward. At moments like this, we saw a glimpse

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Speaker 2: of that earlier when you had reporters who went in there,

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Speaker 2: and actually, I'll give them credit at least for this

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Speaker 2: is that they admitted it. They're like, look, the only

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Speaker 2: way we could have this footage is if we gave

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Speaker 2: it to the Israelis and they were able to edit it.

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Speaker 3: That you're in a tough situation.

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Speaker 2: I probably I think that on par as long as

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Speaker 2: you disclose that, it's okay. But here they're not disclosing

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Speaker 2: how much of the editing is happening and screening behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes to a direct foreign government. And it just

661
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Speaker 2: goes to the question like, who are you working for here?

662
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Speaker 2: Are you just supposed to be reporting the news about

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Speaker 2: what's happening. I mean, we are a small little YouTube show.

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Speaker 3: We would never.

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Speaker 2: Adhere to anything like this, And I want to give people,

666
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Speaker 2: you know, an idea. People try this crap all the time.

667
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Speaker 2: So when we were over at the Hill and I

668
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Speaker 2: interviewed Trump, this is a fun story.

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Speaker 3: So the whatever, who was that woman?

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Speaker 2: Egen Carroll had just she had just that day she'd

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Speaker 2: come out against Trump and said she's sexually assaulted her.

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Speaker 2: Before we went in there, Sarah Sanders looks me directly

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Speaker 2: in the face. She's like, look, just don't ask about

674
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Speaker 2: the Egen Carroll thing. We were like, yeah, totally, of course.

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Speaker 2: And what do you think we asked about at the

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Speaker 2: end Egen Carroll? You know why cause it's like, sorry.

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Speaker 3: I don't work for you. And then and there's another one.

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Speaker 2: So in that they said Trump had said something about

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Speaker 2: how he was going to go meet Kim Jong un

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Speaker 2: at the DMZ the famous meeting, and she was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: if you guys report that, then the.

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Speaker 3: Meeting won't happen. It's a national secure risk.

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Speaker 2: And we're like, okay, well we can hold off, but

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Speaker 2: we're going to put it out there the moment that

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Speaker 2: the meeting happens or you know, before security situation. So

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Speaker 2: that I think was a reasonable one, because you know,

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Speaker 2: if we report that and a meeting doesn't happen, it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where if there's a genuine security risk

689
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Speaker 2: and all that, but the eg and Carroll thing, we're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this will look bad for us.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm sorry each shit.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean, that's just one of those where you

693
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Speaker 2: don't get to tell us what to do. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to I'll lie to your face just to get into

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Speaker 2: the room. But you know, after that, okay, don't invite

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Speaker 2: me back. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it's one of those where that's how you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to operate in the media. That's that's what actual journalism

699
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Speaker 2: is supposed to look like. That's a small thing, but

700
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Speaker 2: it's just a demonstrative of an attitude as opposed to

701
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Speaker 2: and you and I when we do this, we do

702
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Speaker 2: not adhere to any preconditions when we do interviews. Part

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Speaker 2: of the reasons many politicians are afraid to come on

704
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Speaker 2: the show is because they will say things like, oh,

705
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Speaker 2: he only wants to talk about taxes, and it's like, okay,

706
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Speaker 2: that's fine, but you know, just so you know, that's

707
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Speaker 2: not going to happen, right, or we'll be like, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 2: come on in and then we'll ask you about whatever

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Speaker 2: we want. That is how traditionally you're supposed to operate

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Speaker 2: with anyone in power, Republican, Democrat, anyone. And yet this

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Speaker 2: is just I mean shocking, it's too shocking.

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Speaker 1: There's a dance that goes on with these politicians where

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Speaker 1: they routinely, you know, they want to know what you're

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Speaker 1: going to ask about they want to limit the conversation,

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Speaker 1: and if you are worth your salt, you say no.

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Speaker 4: You can say no. And I think you can.

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Speaker 1: Tell by the interviews we conduct here that we don't

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Speaker 1: abide by the US and guidelines.

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Speaker 4: That they're asking for, you know.

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Speaker 1: So obviously we have no transparency into what has been blocked,

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Speaker 1: what has been censored, what language has been changed, what

722
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Speaker 1: stories never got run or surfaced at all. So all

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Speaker 1: you can do is look at what they're publishing and

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Speaker 1: see the way that it is framed.

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Speaker 4: So I kids, you not.

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Speaker 1: After I read the story, I went on CNN's website

727
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Speaker 1: and this was literally one of the first stories that

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Speaker 1: popped up.

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Speaker 4: And the impact of the sensor is plainly obvious. Like

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Speaker 4: the language that they talk about here, Oh, it's going

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Speaker 4: to be blast, but we're not going to attribute.

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Speaker 1: To Israel is manifestly clear. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is a horrifying story. More than ten children a

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Speaker 1: day are losing one or both legs in Gaza, according

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Speaker 1: to Save the Children. So their headline does not attribute

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Speaker 1: the fact that these kids are losing their limbs to Israel,

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Speaker 1: which is the reason that they're losing these limbs.

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Speaker 4: And then when you read the story, here's what they say.

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Speaker 1: More than ten children on average have lost one or

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Speaker 1: both of their legs every day in Gaza since October seventh. Again,

741
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Speaker 1: like the limbs just fell off. No, they lost them

742
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Speaker 1: because they were bombed by Israel. While many of the

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Speaker 1: amputations are conducted without anesthetic. Again, why because Israel is

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Speaker 1: blocking medical supplies from coming in. The charity Save the

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Speaker 1: Children said in a statement Sunday, referencing statistics released by

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Speaker 1: the UN. And then they quote someone as saying doctors

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Speaker 1: and nurses are completely overwhelmed when children are brought in

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Speaker 1: with blast wounds, blast wounds. So again the language is

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Speaker 1: specifically cited in the intercept report. Nowhere in here in

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Speaker 1: this first part of the report do they explain why

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Speaker 1: these kids are losing their limbs. Ten kids a day

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Speaker 1: losing one or both legs and having to be operated

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Speaker 1: on with no anesthetic. No responsibility attributed there. Now, if

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Speaker 1: it was in the other direction, if it was talking

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Speaker 1: about the October seventh attacks and the atrocities that Hamas

756
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Speaker 1: were committed, no problem attributing responsibility, no problem using visceral

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Speaker 1: language about those horrors. But here when it's Israel totally different.

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Speaker 2: That's what's so stupid is that obviously we should do

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Speaker 2: it when you're talking about the victims of October seventh,

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Speaker 2: then usually should just talk to when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: the victims of war. And again, let's be very clear,

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Speaker 2: we should use it when we're talking about anyone who

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Speaker 2: is a non combatant civilian. I mean, and you can't

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Speaker 2: even argue that these like small kids at least in

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Speaker 2: this you know instance, are not working for or not

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Speaker 2: like fighting for Hamas.

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Speaker 3: It's just look passive.

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Speaker 2: And the way that you do use language and all

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Speaker 2: of that is one of the oldest forms of medium

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Speaker 2: manipulation and of the way of presentation and all that

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Speaker 2: of a story. And I think the passive language, the

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Speaker 2: way that you use it is always, you know, the

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Speaker 2: most is the most significant for the way that they

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Speaker 2: frame something. It's like the traditional thing when Democrats do

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Speaker 2: something bad and the New York Times will be like,

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Speaker 2: Republicans pounce and the fact that Republican Democrats and it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: just say they did a bad thing. Okay, we don't

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Speaker 2: have to be we don't have to play dancing games here.

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Speaker 2: And look, the right wing media does it too obviously.

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Speaker 2: So it's just you can present things without trying to

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Speaker 2: spin them at all times.

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Speaker 3: But apparently that's that's not what they want to do

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Speaker 3: over there.

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Speaker 1: Adam Johnson flagged another example where you can see the

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Speaker 1: potential impact of the IDF censor here.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. He's his commentary.

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Speaker 1: Says, losing my mind, you wann special Robert Or on

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Speaker 1: the Human Rights of internally Displaced Persons correctly accuses Israel

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Speaker 1: of work and to expel civilian population of Gaza. CNN

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Speaker 1: reports it as mere allegation without mentioning Netanyahu himself explicitly

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Speaker 1: said this is his goal just yesterday, and then he

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Speaker 1: posts the report where yeah, they're just saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: they're accusing them of this, without providing any of the

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Speaker 1: context that literally, the Prime Minister, the dude who's in

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Speaker 1: con has made it clear that this is also his goal.

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Speaker 1: And this is the same game that the State Department

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Speaker 1: and the Department of Defense has been playing as well, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we condemn the statements from these extremists Smotrich and Bezaleel,

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Speaker 1: and this is totally contradictory to the Israeli's actual policy

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Speaker 1: and it's like, what makes you think that when everyone

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Speaker 1: from the President of Israel to the Prime Minister of Israel,

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Speaker 1: to numerous cabinet ministers and top lacued party members and

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Speaker 1: military officials are all saying this is their goal, how

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Speaker 1: can you claim that this is just some fringe opinion

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Speaker 1: not to mention when you look at public sentiment in

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Speaker 1: favor of the mass displacement of Palestinians on of Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So these are the sort of games that they are playing, which, listen,

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Speaker 1: maybe they didn't need the IDF censor in order to

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Speaker 1: frame things in this way. There are plenty of Western

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Speaker 1: media outlets who are doing equally poor jobs without running

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Speaker 1: things by the IDEF censor. They're self censoring. But when

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Speaker 1: you have this intentional policy of rooting everything through jrualism,

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Speaker 1: of having an underneath the shadow of the idea of censor,

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Speaker 1: these are the results you are guaranteed to get.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's move on to the next part here. This

816
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Speaker 2: is one of the most insane stories that we've ever

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Speaker 2: seen from a public official. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin apparently

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Speaker 2: has now been hospitalized for more than a week and

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Speaker 2: did not inform his superiors. The President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: any of his peers at the National Security Council, or

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Speaker 2: his number two. Let's go ahead and put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen because the details are genuinely shocking.

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Speaker 2: So the Pentagon's number two official did not learn that

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Speaker 2: her boss was hospitalized on January first until four days later,

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Speaker 2: after she had to assume some of his duties. This

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Speaker 2: is according to the US military themselves. That's the Deputy

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense, Kathy Hicks. She was actually scheduled on

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Speaker 2: leave in Puerto Rico at the time and had already

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Speaker 2: assumed some of Austin's duties, but did not know what.

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Speaker 3: Had happened to them at the same time. Crystal.

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Speaker 2: We are now learning that, according to these officials, the

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Speaker 2: President of the United States was not informed until four

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Speaker 2: days after it was known that Secretary of Defense Lloyd

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Speaker 2: Austin is laid up continued to this day in the

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Speaker 2: hospital for some sort of unknown condition. So according to them,

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Speaker 2: the details of this are super vague. On the evening

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Speaker 2: of January one, Austin bien experiencing quote severe pain. He

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Speaker 2: was taken to Walter Reid, where he was then admitted

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Speaker 2: to a hospital's intensive care unit. Now Previously, officials had

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Speaker 2: said that he had undergone an elective procedure during his

841
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Speaker 2: scheduled leave on December twenty seconds, so that's eight days

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Speaker 2: prior to experiencing these pains. The officials have not described

843
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Speaker 2: to us yet, though, what that elective surgery procedure was.

844
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Speaker 2: A lot of us are speculating here. I mean, at

845
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Speaker 2: a certain point, you got to release it. We were

846
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: saying on the phone, like what is it like a

847
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Speaker 2: BBL or something like? Is it a face slipped?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it?

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Speaker 2: What is a light boat section? I mean, what's happening here?

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Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of different types elective surgery.

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Speaker 1: I looked in here, yeah, okay, looked first of all,

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Speaker 1: what are the most dangerous plastic surgery that you can

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Speaker 1: have done? And BBL is actually dangerous. But I don't

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Speaker 1: want to laugh. His condition could be very serious. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's this man is still in the hospital, but he

856
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Speaker 1: is out of ICU as far as I understand. But

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Speaker 1: I also looked into I mean, this is this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: But I also looked into what are the most common

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Speaker 1: elective procedures for a man his age, And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things like to do with your colon and hernia,

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, which you know, when you hear elective,

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Speaker 1: you do think something like, oh, you're getting a nose

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Speaker 1: job or something like that. But they can be things

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Speaker 1: that are like needed, but they still somehow get classified

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Speaker 1: as elective. In any case, whatever it is, it must

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Speaker 1: be sort of embarrassing or else there wouldn't be all

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Speaker 1: of this reluctance to release the information, not only to

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Speaker 1: the public, which whatever, the public's one thing, but to

869
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Speaker 1: the people who were taking over for your job. And

870
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: the irony here is of horse by it tempting to

871
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: hide it. He has made the whole world, yes, aware

872
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: of what's going on.

873
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: Right, and let's put this up there.

874
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: They again, to their own, by their own admission, it

875
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: did not inform President Biden the White House for days

876
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: about his hospitalization. This man was in the ICU. So

877
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions about this. Number One,

878
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just naive and assumed that the President

879
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: would talk to his Defense secretary every day in the

880
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: middle of a global international crisis.

881
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: Apparently that's not true.

882
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: Apparently the President, the National Security Advisor, the top team

883
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: at the White House just doesn't talk to the sect

884
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: deaf all that much. I'm actually very disturbed by that

885
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: they don't find out until four days later. Now I

886
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: understand everyone's on vacation, there's no vacation when you're the president.

887
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: Then you have the means here of Secretary of Defense.

888
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: Lloyd Austin did not inform his number two until days

889
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: after he was in the ICU. Now, you guys are

890
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: not going to believe what his or excuse for this is.

891
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Put this up there. The excuse is that the Pentagon's

892
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: chiefest staff was sick. Therefore she could not notify the

893
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: number two about his hospitalization for four days. Are we

894
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: really supposed to believe that the Secretary of Defense only

895
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: has one person who is capable of notifying the number two.

896
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: I covered the Pentagon.

897
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: He is surrounded at any one time by up to

898
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty people.

899
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: There are actually crystal over.

900
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: One hundred people who work in the office of the

901
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. And so that tells

902
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: me that actually the number two was the only or

903
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: his chiefest staff was the only person who even knew

904
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: about what was going on. So he's not only hiding

905
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: things from his staff, he's hiding it from his superiors,

906
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: from the Secretary of State. I mean, imagine if a

907
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: global conflagration had kicked off and this man is.

908
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: A real one, Like what if? What if the who

909
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: he's fired on the US ship? What happens? You know?

910
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody has ever done this, go and

911
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: read the minute by minute account by Daniel Ellsberg of

912
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I mean that Secretary McNamara

913
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: was literally issuing minute by minute orders, but like, do

914
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: not fire until I tell you to do so, I'll

915
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: speak to the president. And you know he was giving

916
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: orders at certain points during the Cuban missile crisis and

917
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: during the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which demonstrates, like, imagine

918
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 2: a situation of something like that that could have happened,

919
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: which is why this is never supposed to be allowed.

920
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: And I would actually put it this way. Secretary of

921
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: Austin was a four star.

922
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: General in the army. Imagine if any there are a.

923
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: Lot of people who are in the US military in

924
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: the show, who watched the show, Imagine if you in

925
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: a superior position, a commanding officer would disappeared for four

926
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: days straight and did not tell his subordinates about what

927
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: was happening, leading to chaos and a leadership vacuum in

928
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: a time of peace. Even that's it, you're fired or

929
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: at the very least boom. That is a career ending move.

930
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: That's genuinely psychotic, you know, to be doing something like this. So,

931
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean, in my opinion, I don't think he can last.

932
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: I think he's gotta be fired. There's just no, you can't.

933
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: You can't stay for this. We cannot stand you to

934
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: have somebody who's clearly hiding their medical issue.

935
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: He can date with dignity and be like I'm sick.

936
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: I got to go, you know, something like this. But

937
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: that's it.

938
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean, in my opinion, if I was Biden, I

939
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: would fire. I would have fired. His asked the day

940
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: I found.

941
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Out Biden is basically yeah, cover for him. I mean,

942
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: there's a few thoughts that come to mind. First of all,

943
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: the fact that you know you said if there is

944
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: a pobe compagation, It's not like there isn't a lot.

945
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: It's kind of a pivotal moment. There's kind of a

946
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: lot going on. There's a lot of risks that are

947
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: unfolding that we just covered extensively. There's obviously our you know,

948
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: ongoing support for the horrors that being inflicted on Gaza.

949
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of concerns that are unfolding before our

950
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: eyes globally right now, So not a great time to

951
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: take time off Number two.

952
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: It also raises the question of, like, what are you

953
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: even doing on in.

954
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: Daily I know that you thought that it would be

955
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: fine to just like vanish for a few weeks and

956
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: not even tell. The one that in some ways is

957
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: the craziest to me is that the person who was

958
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: in having to take command, who was in charge, didn't

959
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: even know like that the number two didn't even know

960
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: that they were now in charge. That to me is

961
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: in some ways the craziest thing. But yeah, I'm looking

962
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: like so, I guess you're just not really doing all

963
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: that much if you feel like you can just go

964
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: willy nilly and take a significant break and that you

965
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: think you're going to be able to get away with

966
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: not telling anyone.

967
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 4: That was to me maybe the most.

968
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: Revealing, the saddest thing.

969
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: When I was eighteen years old, I came to the

970
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: city to college, and I had these grand ideas about

971
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: what politicians and all of them were like, and I

972
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: was very lucky. I got an internship, you know, my

973
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: first fluid, my first day of college, I show up

974
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: to Capitol Hill and I was like, oh no, this

975
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: is not uh you know what kind of what I

976
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: thought it would be. The best and the brightest are

977
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: not the ones who are working here. And more than

978
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: decade now of living in the city and working in

979
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: very close proximity and covering people in power, really what

980
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: I've learned is that it's far more mediocre, incompetent, and

981
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: awful than anyone is really led to believe. We want

982
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: to believe that the people who are in power are

983
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, very are intelligent, and they work very hard and.

984
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: All of that.

985
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: But what comes across these people are like white collar

986
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: employees all over the world.

987
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: They're just checking out over Jan one to Jan. Five.

988
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: And that's fine when maybe you're a host of a show,

989
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 2: a YouTube show, and you have a competent co host

990
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: who's capable of taking over for you. It's not fine

991
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: whenever you're working in public service. And I think it

992
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: just you know, whenever we talk about the Supreme Court

993
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: and all that, these people just want to have it

994
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: both ways. They want to be like their peers in

995
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: corporate life, who are able to jet set to wherever.

996
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 3: They want to go.

997
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: But you can do that when you're in charge of

998
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: a corporation, you can't do it when you are in

999
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: charge of the world's most powerful military. And you would

1000
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: think that a former four star general of the United

1001
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: States Army would know that more than anybody.

1002
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: So he should be fired.

1003
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: He should be kicked out, He should be unceremoniously dismissed,

1004
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: as he would if he were still a member of

1005
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: the US Armed Forces. We should never accept this from

1006
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: people who are in.

1007
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: Power, you know.

1008
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: He also made some of the I thought most honest

1009
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: comments about Israel's star. Yeah, Za was the one that

1010
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: said they were facing a strategic defeat, which you know,

1011
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: raised a lot of eyebrows at the time because that

1012
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: was early on that he made those comments. But I

1013
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: think he must have gotten used to that bord of

1014
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: directors of raytheon life. That's true when he was in

1015
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: the private sector. And it's like, listen, that option is

1016
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: still available to you, sir.

1017
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: That's right, you could go and do that any.

1018
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure they will take you right back, no problem whatsoever.

1019
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: So they'll pay you wild situation. You can get your

1020
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: tummy tucks.

1021
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: You know, you can do whatever you want, but you

1022
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: can't be doing that when you're the Secretary of Defense.

1023
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: And again, I just want to underscore this. Let's put

1024
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 2: this up there. As of last night, he's still in

1025
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: the hospital. According to the Pentagon Press, Secretary quote Secretary

1026
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: of Defense Lloyd Austin, this is the next one, guys, says,

1027
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: we will remain hospitalized at Walter Reed National Medical Center,

1028
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: but is quote recovering well and in good spirits.

1029
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: Crystal, you and I.

1030
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: Don't have a specific date for his release, so you

1031
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 4: were still in series.

1032
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: No, I know enough to say this. If you were

1033
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: in the hospital for a week straight, things are not good.

1034
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Things are absolutely that could be an infection, that could

1035
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: be mean, who knows. I mean, he's not particularly a

1036
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: fit guy and he's only seventy years old, so it's

1037
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: really this could be a bad situation. But regardless his secrecy,

1038
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: the people around him, there's just this cannot stand.

1039
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: He's got to go.

1040
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: That terrible judgment.

1041
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, also just on the basic level, like terrible judgment

1042
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: to think that you were going to be able to

1043
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: pull this.

1044
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: I totally agree all right.

1045
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: So, speaking of things that aren't going well the Biden campaign,

1046
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Obama apparently raising a lot of concerns directly over the

1047
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: direction of the Biden campaign. This was a report from

1048
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, which, again it's interesting not only what's

1049
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: said in this report, but also the fact that it

1050
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: is leaked to the press is in and of itself

1051
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: interesting and very intentional.

1052
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

1053
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Former President Barack Obama has raised questions about the structure

1054
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: of President Biden's reelection campaign, discussing the matter directly, with

1055
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: Biden telling the President's aids and allies the campaign needs

1056
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: to be empowered to make decisions without clearing them with

1057
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: the White House. According to three people familiar, the headline

1058
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: is Obama worried about Trump, urges Biden's circle to bolster campaign.

1059
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: I'll read you some of these details because they are interesting.

1060
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: On that first part, where he's saying, like people need

1061
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: to be empowered, this is something. Biden is a famous micromanager.

1062
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: He's the worst combination of micromanaging and indecisive. So and

1063
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: he relies on this small circle of advisors.

1064
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 4: Who've been with him since the eighties.

1065
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: And so even when he brings in someone new to

1066
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: the circle, like, he doesn't delegate responsibility to them, and

1067
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: they're completely disempowered. So they're over in Wilmington on the campaign.

1068
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: The people he actually trusts are in DC, and so

1069
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: there's this huge disconnect which has, apparently, according to Obama

1070
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: in this report, completely hamstrung the campaign. It's a very

1071
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: different model from what the Obama campaign did in twenty twelve. Which, listen,

1072
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: whatever you think of him, the man ran two very

1073
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: effective campaigns in two thousand and eight and twenty twelve.

1074
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Couldn't get anybody but himself elected, wasn't good at that,

1075
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: but in terms of getting himself elected president, he was

1076
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: very effective, all right.

1077
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 4: More from the report.

1078
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Obama grew animated in discussing the twenty twenty four election

1079
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and former President Trump's potential return to power, and has

1080
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: suggested to Biden's advisors the campaign needs more top level

1081
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: decision makers at its headquarters in Wilmington, or it must

1082
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: empower the people already in place. Obama has not recommended

1083
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: specific individuals, but he has mentioned David Pluff, who managed

1084
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: Obama's two thousand and eight race, as the type of

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Speaker 1: senior strategist needed at the Biden campaign. So he saying, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you got the right folks here. Maybe

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00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: talk to some of my people, maybe you'll do better.

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Speaker 1: Very arrogant guy, but anyway, Obama's conversation with Biden on

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00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: the subject took place during private lunch recently. During the lunch,

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Speaker 1: Obama noted the success of his own re election campaign

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Speaker 1: structure when some of his top aids, including Axelrod and Messina,

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Speaker 1: left the White House to take charge of the reelection

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Speaker 1: operation in Chicago. That's a sharp contrast from Biden's approach.

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Speaker 1: He also recommended Biden seek council from Obama's own former

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Speaker 1: campaign aids, which Biden officials say they have done. People said,

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Speaker 1: and they also so quote Alyssa Slotkin here, Well, this

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00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: was not a direct quote. She denies that she's concerned

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: about the re election campaign, but she's running for Senate

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Speaker 1: in Michigan and she has apparently expressed concern to allies

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Speaker 1: she might not be able to win if Biden is

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Speaker 1: at the top of the ticket. So there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of Democrats who are freaking out, even Biden. This

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00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: was kind of remarkable to me. Zagarin just shows you

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00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: what kind of a quote unquote leader. This man is

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00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: even Biden's frustrated by his public standing, frequently complaining about

1106
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: his low public low poll numbers in private conversations with AIDS.

1107
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: In one meeting, he demanded to know what his team

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Speaker 1: and his campaign staff were doing about it.

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Speaker 4: Dude. Maybe it's not their fault.

1110
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the fact that your unconditional support for Israel

1111
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: has horrified key voting blocks. Maybe it's the fact that

1112
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: you have literally promised nothing to do in a second term,

1113
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, literally nothing, and you have given people

1114
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: no reason to vote for you.

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00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: Maybe you to look a little bit.

1116
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: At your own actions here run thinking that a new

1117
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: message or a new advisor is going to really be

1118
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: the thing that does the trick here.

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Speaker 2: It's so far beyond that. Go to the grocery store

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Speaker 2: once like that, that's all it takes. I see people

1121
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: all the time at the grocery store with coupon books.

1122
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: You know, I've told you this previously about how YouTube

1123
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: channels about Grandma's cooking Great Depression recipes are more popular

1124
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: than ever right now. Just you know, if you're if

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: you like to like look at recipes or whatever, go

1126
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 2: on Instagram or you know, any of these other places

1127
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: and scroll through your reels.

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Speaker 3: You know what half of it is.

1129
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: It's like how to feed a family of five on

1130
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks from Costco? And look, that's always one

1131
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: of those like that should always be popular, but it

1132
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: is exploded because of inflation. It's horrifying. I you know,

1133
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed kind of recently with cat nutrition. Make sure

1134
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: my cat is treated the best. And on the cat subreddits,

1135
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: you know, the number one concern about feeding your cat

1136
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 2: the healthiest wet food and all that cost. They're like, hey, guys,

1137
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to pay for this? I got

1138
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: X amount of mount You know, I don't want to

1139
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: love him so much. He's got kidney disease or whatever.

1140
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: I need to make sure he's got you know, he

1141
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: or she needs enough moisture in their diet.

1142
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: But I just can't afford it. I mean, that is

1143
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: a horrible situation to be in.

1144
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: And then you get to the you know, even worse

1145
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: case of oh now you're in a situation where you

1146
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: have to make trade off choices and all of that

1147
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: which previously you never had to do. And I think

1148
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: that that is a horrible lot. That is just the

1149
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: degradation of quality of life in the United States over

1150
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: the last three years for a variety of multifast in factors.

1151
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: Whether it's Biden's fault or not, it is still up

1152
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: to him to speak to those concerns, and he doesn't

1153
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: do it. You know, he just doesn't do it on

1154
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: a daily basis. At their entire gamble, Crystal is January sixth.

1155
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's gonna Look, it's possible jan

1156
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: and six an abortion. I would give him at least

1157
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: to a forty eight percent shot, just because electoral successes

1158
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years have demonstrated that. I

1159
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: read a really interesting piece over the break about how

1160
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: this could be really analogous to the nineteen forty eight election.

1161
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: So in nineteen forty eight, Harry Truman was historically unpopular.

1162
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: You have the war, yeah, you had the post war period.

1163
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: He was almost certain to lose the election according to

1164
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: the press, the gallop poles and all that had it

1165
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: against him. But what ended up saving him was that

1166
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: he rallied the you know kind of he rallied the

1167
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: populace against the quote unquote do nothing Congress. He was like,

1168
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: it's their fault that we're not doing more about this.

1169
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: And even though we have historic strikes and all that,

1170
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: you should stick with me because I got us through

1171
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: the World War two and I'll pull us out again.

1172
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: But reading it, you know, to see the way that

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: Truman did win that extraordinary election with the famous you know,

1174
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: Dewey defeats Truman headline is Truman was an editor at

1175
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: a guy. You know, he was only twelve or so

1176
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: years younger, but he relentlessly talked about the issues that

1177
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: really faced people at that time who were very upset

1178
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: about inflation. And so I just don't structurally, I don't

1179
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: see the same thing. You just have a different man

1180
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: at the top of the ticket. Yeah, he's just he's

1181
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: a husk. I mean, there's just no way to describe it.

1182
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: We have to stop being polite at a certain point.

1183
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: So let me tell you what their cope is with

1184
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: their theory of the cases. And listen, you're right. I

1185
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: don't want to say he's going to lose. I think

1186
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: he's in a very poor position, as the lowest approval

1187
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: ratings of any income and president seeking reelection.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't look good.

1189
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Speaker 1: But people also really hate Donald Trump and really don't

1190
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: want that chaos back and they were horrified by January

1191
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: six and by the ongoing legal issues. They do think

1192
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: that he's a criminal, and so you know, and then

1193
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: you add on top of that Roe versus Wade, and

1194
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, you have a real contest.

1195
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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's not a slam dunk either way. But this is

1197
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: what they'll tell you. This is an Axios report says

1198
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: when pressed on why Biden allies think that things are fine,

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, guys as a second element.

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00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: They say, the war they think will be far in

1201
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: voter's rear view mirror by November fifth. Okay, I think

1202
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: that is insane. I do not think that they understand

1203
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: the break that they have made with younger voters. I

1204
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: think they are completely in a bubble if they think

1205
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: that's the case.

1206
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's number.

1207
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: One, number two, By then, the economy will be so

1208
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: good voters can't ignore it. Voter confidence the whole is

1209
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: we'll catch up with the encouraging macro signs.

1210
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: Also delusional.

1211
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: Also delusional because over the course of the Biden administration,

1212
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: what has happened. The Social Safety net constructor during COVID

1213
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 1: was systematically reduced and eliminated so that people have less

1214
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: money in their bank accounts. That happened on Biden's watch.

1215
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Also delusional abortion rights. Now this may not this one.

1216
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: They have a point. Dems will be boosted by the

1217
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: anti GOP backlash following the Dobbs decision overturning Roe versus Weight.

1218
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: Swing voters won't want to give Trump a chance to

1219
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: appoint another Supreme Court justice as second Gentleman Doug M

1220
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: Hoff has put it privately, Dobbs and democracy.

1221
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 4: That's the plan.

1222
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Biden and allies will spend more than a billion dollars

1223
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: telling voters Trump is terrible. Oh, they've never tried that before.

1224
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: In the end, Biden's inner circle contends most independents won't

1225
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: look themselves in the mirror on election day then go

1226
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: vote for Trump. They go on to say they worry

1227
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: though people close the White House fear there aren't enough

1228
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: people willing to give Biden bad news. And there's this

1229
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: sense of complacency that has come out and multiple articles

1230
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: where because Biden sort of defied the odds last time,

1231
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: they think that all of this is just like handwringing

1232
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: and bed wedding, and oh, normal people don't care about

1233
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: these things.

1234
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: And they don't really understand the landscape, and we do.

1235
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: And this is.

1236
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: A very different situation than when you had Trump actually

1237
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: in the White House, when you had people feeling really

1238
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: horrified at his handling of COVID and upset about it,

1239
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: when you had on a daily basis reminders of why

1240
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: you didn't like this man being president.

1241
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: And I thought this was a I saw somebody make

1242
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 4: this point on Twitter. I thought this was a really

1243
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: good point.

1244
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: The superpower that Biden used to have is the sense

1245
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: that like he's a nice guy and he's empathetic. That

1246
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: has been destroyed by what people see unfolding every day

1247
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: in Gaza.

1248
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 4: That's gone.

1249
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: Like the sense that this is some nice, grandfatherly figure

1250
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: who's not going to do anything terribly evil the way

1251
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: that you feel like Trump might.

1252
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: That's gone.

1253
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: You no longer have that advantage, especially with young voters.

1254
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: So again I come back to I think, especially with

1255
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: regard to their view of the war, that they think

1256
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: people are just going to forget it and it's going to

1257
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: be in the review mirror, if anything, After the worst

1258
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: of the hostilities, after the worst of the assault on

1259
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: Gaza is over, that's when people will actually be able

1260
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: reporters will be able to get into the Gaza Strip

1261
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: and actually document what has happened here and how unprecedent

1262
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: it is, and the lives that have been ruined, and the

1263
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: people that have been killed, and the long term impact

1264
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: of the hunger that they're facing right now in the disease,

1265
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: and the fact that Gaza they'll already saying the entirety

1266
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: of the Gaza Strip is completely uninhabitable, unlivable. This is

1267
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: all going to be documented over these coming months. So

1268
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: I just think that they are completely detached from reality

1269
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: with almost all of these points.

1270
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Speaker 3: Well, I actually don't believe that the war will be

1271
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: over at all.

1272
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: I think Israel is going to have to occupy the

1273
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: Gaza Strip, and I think they're going to be stuck

1274
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: there and dealing with a very similar situation that we

1275
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: did with Iraq. But you know, it doesn't stop that,

1276
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: because that means that there will just be continuing, ongoing hostilities.

1277
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: But I truly believe that his single biggest problem is

1278
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: just the general sense of malaise and chaos that has

1279
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: engulfed both the United States and the world. And the

1280
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: more that you read the news and all that you

1281
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: don't have to be a geopolitical genius, to be like, well,

1282
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: this is a bad situation. You know, he got the

1283
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: Red Sea, you've got Ukraine, we had Afghanistan previously. And

1284
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: while I defended him for that, he didn't exactly rouse

1285
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: the public as to why it's a great idea and

1286
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: defend his decision. He mostly just retreated and got ornery

1287
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: that the American people didn't believe in him then on

1288
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: the economic front and all that. And yet, as you

1289
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: say with Trump, Trump is his own worst enemy and

1290
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: always has been. He easily he lost one of the

1291
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: most easily winnable elections in twenty twenty just from his

1292
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: shown sheer idiocy, and he has refused to drop much

1293
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: of that sense. I wouldn't count him out because I

1294
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: do think he's a very savvy political player. And if

1295
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: he returns to some of that twenty sixteen energy, and

1296
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: you do have husk of Biden up there, and you

1297
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: have the deep unpopularity that you don't need to win

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Speaker 2: the popular vote. We all learned that in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: you could just win the electoral college. So it's one

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Speaker 2: of those where I see deep peril for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: And I think that his arrogance from his campaign of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. He doesn't understand that it was not him.

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: He got elected because of COVID. He got dragged across

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01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: the finish line through circumstances that were not that were

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01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: out of his control. And this time COVID is not

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: going to save you, my man. And you know, possibly

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Speaker 2: abortion will. But again that's not something that you have

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Speaker 2: done on anything. You should always try as if you're

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Speaker 2: going to lose. There's this, you know, great politicians, even

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Speaker 2: LBJ for example, he always believed that he was on

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Speaker 2: the precipice of losing, or he would always act as

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Speaker 2: if he was. He would have to do absolutely everything

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Speaker 2: to win, because he said, you can only control what

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Speaker 2: you can control. You got to ruthlessly exploit that to

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Speaker 2: your advantage. He won one of the greatest electoral victories

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Speaker 2: in all of our history. But he ran that race

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Speaker 2: in nineteen six as if it would have been, you know,

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Speaker 2: within a margin of a point. That's what the great

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Speaker 2: ones actually do in order to present something. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we're a long way away from that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So their plan as first what is it called the

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Speaker 1: second first husband, what is it.

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Speaker 3: Called Doug m it's the second second.

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Speaker 4: Gentleman, there we go a.

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Speaker 3: Second to dress better if he wants to be a.

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Speaker 1: Jail anyway, as he put it, dobbs in democracy, that's

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Speaker 1: the plan. Well, Joe Biden did this big, you know,

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Speaker 1: highly touted speech near the anniversary of January sixth. Partly,

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Speaker 1: I mean this was sort of like the official like

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Speaker 1: launch of his actual campaign, and he is leaning into

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Speaker 1: this democracy message, which I find extremely hypocritical, which I'll

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Speaker 1: get into in just a moment, but let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to a little bit of what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: I promise you I will not that Donald Trump, for

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 6: the Maggan Republicans.

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 7: Forced us to walk away.

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01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 6: I determined minority. He's doing every other his power try

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 6: to destroy our democracy for their own agenda. The American

1340
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 6: people know it, and they're standing bravely in the breach.

1341
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 6: Remember after twenty twenty January sixth Insurrection, don't do the

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 6: election in which more Americans had voted than any other

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 6: in American history. America saw the threat posed to the country.

1344
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 6: They voted him out in twenty twenty two historic midterm

1345
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 6: election and state after state election after election. The election

1346
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 6: deniers were defeated. Now in twenty twenty four, Trump is

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01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 6: wanting as the denier in chief, the election denier in

1348
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 6: chief once again. He's saying he won't honor the results

1349
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Speaker 6: of the election if he loses. Trump says he doesn't understand. Well,

1350
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 6: he still doesn't understand the basic truth that is, you

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 6: can't love your country only when you win.

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Speaker 1: Now, how are you going to claim to be the

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Speaker 1: guardian of democracy when you and your party are actually

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: right now canceling primaries democratic primary elections across the country.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. This is just the latest.

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Speaker 1: You know how, I think five states that have just said, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to put your opponents on the ballot,

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01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: We're just going to cancel the primary. So the DNC

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Speaker 1: is blasting New Hampshire Democrats over what they call a

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: meaningless primary. The DNC scolded New Hampshire Democrats for selecting

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Speaker 1: delegates for the state's unsanctioned primary. You'll recall this all

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: goes back to Joe Biden, the Dance's attempt to rig

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Speaker 1: the primary for him.

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Speaker 4: He did really badly. It was a fourth fifth place

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Speaker 4: last time in New Hampshire. Didn't even stay for the results.

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Speaker 1: To come in went to South Carolina, and so they

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Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with New Hampshire this time,

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Speaker 1: or Iowa for that matter, and so instead they're like,

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Speaker 1: we'll put South Carolina first because of diversity.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not because of diversity. It's because you.

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Speaker 1: Were terrified of what voters of New Hampshire actually big

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Speaker 1: of you. Yes, So in New Hampshire, their state constitution

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Speaker 1: actually has provision that says no, we go first, and

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire is even though it's typically a blue state

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Speaker 1: or swing state, it's actually governed right now by Republicans.

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Speaker 1: So even if New Hampshire Democrats wanted to change this provision,

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Speaker 1: they can't. So they're going ahead with their primary, and

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: the DNC has sat is trying to like scold them

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Speaker 1: and punish them and say their delegates aren't going to

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Speaker 1: even mean anything. So if you're a voter in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: they're saying we are, You're just out. You're not going

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Speaker 1: to get to vote, You're not going to get to

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: have your say. And there's a very awkward situation that

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01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: Biden has put himself in where he's not going to

1385
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: appear on the ballot. So people who want to even

1386
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: select him, have to write his name in. But again,

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Speaker 1: what a hypocrite. How are you going to pretend like

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01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: you care a bit about democracy when you have completely

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01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: blocked any debates. It's not clear he's going to debate

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, by the way, which obviously Trump should be

1391
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: debating the Republican primary as well.

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Speaker 4: And you have actively had these states just completely.

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Speaker 1: Even cancel their primaries, So you know, listen, do I

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01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: think the January sixth message has some potency you even

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: though it's been a while now, you know, or four

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01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: years later, I still think it has some potency. I

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: do think it is a reminder of some of the

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: worst things that people hated the most about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Is this sufficient at a time when voters are disgusted

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Speaker 1: with you, when young people see you as enabling absolute

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01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: atrocities and war crimes in the Gaza strip? No, No,

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: it's not sufficient, and you are a complete hypocrite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the democracy point is one Actually a

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01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: shout out to Joe Rogan. Maybe he's been watching us

1405
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: or you're seeing the news where he was talking about

1406
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: that recently he's been canceling his primaries. He's like, I

1407
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: don't like that at all, So hey, that's good. But

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01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: then he was like, Dean, who are you, fella? And

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, kind of a good news. Yes, fair, honestly, fair.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I want to give credit to d Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but I saw that it happened.

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: I really didn't expect it to because the first time

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01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: we had him here it was very you know, we

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01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: had quite a debate over Israel.

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Speaker 4: I sort of.

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01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: Thought that, you know, like we'd already had it out,

1417
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: but it got pretty hey again. But listen, credit to

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: him for coming back. At least he's willing to go

1419
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: out there make the case.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: The point is people want choices. They deserve choices. If

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: you really were so concerned about democracy, and if you

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01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: really believe your own rhetoric about Trump being a direct

1424
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: threat to democracy, which I think is fair at this point,

1425
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: then you would actually care about putting up the best

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Speaker 1: possible candidate to defeat this man.

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Speaker 4: And you'd have to be.

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01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: On another planet to think that Joseph Robin and Biden

1429
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: at this point in his life, is the strongest possible

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Speaker 1: candidate to defeat Donald Trump.

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: You don't have to take my word for it. You

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: look at the polls.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Dean Phillips, you know, is just sort of like

1434
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Speaker 1: generic Democrat.

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Speaker 4: He would beat Trump. I mean you would, You would

1436
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Speaker 4: probably beat Trump by like ten points eight points.

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Speaker 1: On the on the converse, if you had NICKI Haley

1438
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: against Joe Biden, she would win by probably like ten points.

1439
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: Much as I like can't stand her, But somehow we

1440
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: ended up with these two people that everyone is just

1441
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: like disgusted by, tired, you know, tired of, et cetera,

1442
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: because of the basic failures of democracy that enabled this

1443
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: rotten and corroded system.

1444
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: Speaking of corroded systems, I don't know how of transition

1445
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: to this. I have watched with great and I cannot

1446
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: tell you, Crystal how much self control it took for

1447
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: me not to weigh in on Harvard and the.

1448
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: Sharing I'm baring take was story ready to roll.

1449
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: But Gillian looked at me and she was like, if

1450
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: you start going into this in vacation, we're gonna have

1451
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: a problem, and you know what, shut my mouth, and

1452
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: I followed her orders and she was right, she was

1453
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: certainly right. But now I'm back and I have to

1454
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: weigh in. So a little bit on the latest of

1455
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: what is going on here. Bill Ackman, the famous multi

1456
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: billionaire hedge funder extraordinary who lied to the American people

1457
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: on CNBC in twenty twenty he said, you know, terrible

1458
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: things are coming. Meanwhile, bet two billion dollars after he

1459
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: helped crash the market on CNBC.

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Speaker 3: People have forgotten a little bit about that. I certainly haven't.

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Speaker 2: But he has led kind of the plagiarism campaign, a

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Speaker 2: cancelation campaign, I should say, against the Harvard University president,

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: MIT president, and UPenn president. It's very important, I think,

1464
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: for us to separate all the separate actors that are

1465
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: involved here. Ackman was not involved in this fight over

1466
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: any original concerns over DEI, about plagiarism or anything. He

1467
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: was mad that these university presidents did not say that

1468
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: calling for the genocide against Jews was not a direct

1469
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: call in and of itself, you know, in order to

1470
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Speaker 2: have expulsion from any of these ivy the universities. Also

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Speaker 2: was one of the people who helped basically try to

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Speaker 2: cancel all of these Harvard students who had signed some

1473
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: BLM you know. And look, I don't say pro hamas,

1474
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: but those statements actually were insane. We talked about them

1475
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: at the time. If people want to go back and

1476
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: look at some of the justification language that they used,

1477
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: we just.

1478
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: You know, talked about it.

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Speaker 2: I personally thought it was disgusting, but that does not

1480
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: mean I don't believe that it is false within the

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01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: realm of free space.

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Speaker 4: Can I just on that.

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Speaker 1: The part I took issue with was they attributed sole

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01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: responsibility in over seven to Israel and denied complete agency

1485
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: from Hamas, who were you know, directly targeting civilians. So

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01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: that was my issue with it. Do what I cancel

1487
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: them or whatever, you know, blacklist them. This is a

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: man who wanted to get them permanently canceled and never

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01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: get hired anywhere in America.

1490
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Speaker 4: Absurd, Yes, ridiculous.

1491
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: So that began on October eight, and then we eventually

1492
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 2: got to a point where people like Christopher Rufo and

1493
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Sabarium, two people who I know and I know

1494
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: you don't like them, but I respect them both because

1495
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: they both were original DEI activists. They did not, you know,

1496
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: mount this as some sort of Israel campaign. They started

1497
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: reporting about plagiarism accusations against Claudine Gay, who was the

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: Harvard University president. She eventually was forced out because of

1499
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: these plagiarism accusations, and it was very clear. I did

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: a monologue, but the last monologue of the year, people

1501
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: can go and watch it about the clear cut examples.

1502
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 2: Is very obviously she violated the Harvard student conduct. But

1503
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: you cannot ignore that the original reason why all of

1504
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: them wanted to be expelled was because of Israel and

1505
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: a free speech.

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think that's the ground.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: Now we are at a point though, where Akman has

1508
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: opened kind of a Pandora's box, And in that Pandora's box,

1509
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 2: now it turns out that there is a controversy erupting

1510
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: over Ackman's wife, who is an Israeli American entrepreneur, former

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Speaker 2: professor at MIT.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: So now it turns out that Narry Oxman, that his

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: Bill Ackman's wife is now apologizing for plagiarism in her

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 2: twenty ten dissertation. Now, currently Ackman is caught up in

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: a war of words on Twitter or and or known

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01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: as X in which he is defending his wife with

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: great aplom saying no, it's not plagiarism because she incorrectly

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: did not cite basically direct copy paste from Wikipedia and

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: several other instances. I think it is worth noting that

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01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: Narry Oxman herself has apologized for the incident. If you

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: don't want to call it plagiarism, I don't know. I

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: mean I remember being in college and they were like,

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 2: you can't copy and payte from Wikipedia? Is it technically plagiarism?

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't you know what through Wikipedia? Why don't we

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: put this academic integrity? Shall I just call it that?

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: Do we have to call it plagiarism?

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 3: Now?

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: According to Akman in this instance, let's put this up

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01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: there please on the screen, He says, it does not

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01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 2: strike me as platio. Oh really, Nor do I think

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: it takes anything away from her work. I am not

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01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 2: sure who would even complain that they were not cited properly.

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: I also wish I knew how to reach a human

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: being at Wikipedia, as my Wikipedia biography needs correcting and

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01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: would be meaningfully improved if there was someone that I

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: could speak to. He truly is one of the most

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01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: He's just one of the most cloudl entitled figures that

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 2: I've ever seen operate in politics. And I just want

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01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: to note this when the original plagiarism accusation came against

1541
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 2: Claudine Gay. Here's what he said the day that it dropped.

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01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: He said, new whistleblower complaints alleged forty instances of plagiarism.

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01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: They raise serious issues about the initial investigation in their

1544
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: work was conducted. The whistleblower levels have credible accusations against Harvard.

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: Now whenever it's wife, he says a few questions, how

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 2: can one defend one's self against an accusation of plagiarizing

1547
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 2: Wipedia for a dissertation written fifteen years ago in two

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01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: thousand and nine.

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Speaker 3: Isn't the whole point of Wikipedia.

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01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: It's a dynamic source of information that changes minute by

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01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: minute based on edits and contributions.

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01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, come on, you know, it's such.

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: A clear thing.

1554
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: His new tack is like, it's disgraceful that they are

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: attacking my wife.

1556
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, dude, here's the thing.

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 2: Normally I would have a lot of sympathy because you know,

1558
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: he's involved, and she didn't necessarily enter the fray. But

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: Narry Oxman is a public figure in the same way

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01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: that I'm a public figure, and you are as well, Crystal.

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01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,959
Speaker 2: She's appeared on Alex Friedman podcast, and I think more importantly,

1562
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: I think for our purposes is some of the past

1563
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 2: work that she engaged in with a man named Jeffrey Epstein.

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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: And just by the way, to underscore Ackman's Titanic ego,

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: let's put this up there, please on the screen. He

1566
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: is literally bragging and reposting a meme that shows him

1567
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: as a Roman emperor talking about quote, this guy literally

1568
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 2: beat out Brad Pitt competing for his wife, and he's

1569
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: not hiding it. He continues to kind of flaunt that,

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: which if I was his wife, I'm not sure I

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01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: would be too happy about that. But whatever, There's a

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 2: lot of questions that are happening here. Just again, to

1573
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: underscore miss Oxman, let's put this please up on the screen.

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 2: Narry Oxman was deeply involved in a gift to Jeffrey

1575
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: Epstein a bizarre giant glass marble after helping solicit a

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: donation from him. This goes back to twenty nineteen, and

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: I actually did a couple of things about this at

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: the time because one of the ways that Epstein kind

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 2: of whitewashed his reputation is that he would constantly he

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: would solicit like meetings with MIT scientists and others, so

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: he could give them money and he would then be

1582
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: seen appearing with all these prestigious scientists. Some say he

1583
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: may have been working for a foreign intelligence agency, but

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: at the very least, what they do show is that

1585
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: her lab received one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars

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01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 2: gift directly tied to Jeffrey Epstein, and she then presented

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 2: a gift to Jeffrey Epstein of this weird glass marble. Now,

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01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: I personally find that to be the most objectionable thing

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01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: that involves his wife. Bill Ackman has said now that

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, he says there will be more to say

1591
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: on the Epstein accusation.

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 3: He's like, but to be.

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: Clear, I never knew him, and he's now saying that

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01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,440
Speaker 2: it's very unfair because there has been no due process,

1595
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,839
Speaker 2: because his wife was only given ninety minutes to respond.

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: Here's my like, once again, did you give Claudine Gay

1597
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: to process? And two process is a legal term. We're

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01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 2: talking about journalism right now, Business Insider. They only gave

1599
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: her ninety minutes to respond to a six thousand word article.

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: I personally think they should have given her a data

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: respond I think I don't think that was the right

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: thing to do. If I had written this article, I

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: would not have done that because I do understand that

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 2: there should have been some back and forth. So I'm

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: not going to defend that, but I will defend the

1606
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: idea that Bill Ackman himself basically made it so that

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: anybody is up for grabs. You know who was involved

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: in this situation. His wife has appeared publicly, has engaged

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 2: in public discourse. His wife previously was connected to Jeffrey

1610
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: Epstein in a very weird and bizarre incident that she

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: has now apologized for, and all of that, And so

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01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, it's fair enough in this situation. Yeah,

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01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 2: And while I do believe the Business Insider should have

1614
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: given him her more time to respond to the allegations,

1615
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: she did apologize. So she did admit that many of

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: the facts in the story have not been disputed. But

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01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: that gets us, crystal to the media company of the

1618
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: owns Business Insider, who it now appears maybe censoring their

1619
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: own reporters for having the temerity to report about Bill

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: Ackman's wife.

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Speaker 3: That's a whole other situation.

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let me get to that one. In a minute.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Number one, you'll live by the sword. Yeah, diagree,

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01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: sword right, this is the standard you set. And he

1625
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: has some nerve too, now you know, it was, oh,

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: this is plagiarism, she must go. He was mad that

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: she only got pushed out as president and did not

1628
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: also lose her teaching job.

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 4: He complained about that.

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: He said that she should be fired completely due to

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01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: quote serious plagiarism issues, So not his real concern of

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote anti Semitism. No, he decided to

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01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 1: take what was available to him, this plagiarism quote unquote scandal,

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01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: and to.

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01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 4: Use that to great effect.

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: And he was mad that she was not fired completely

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: because of these serious plagiarism issues. Now when it's his wife,

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: he is posting these lengthy diatribes on Twitter. I'm talking

1639
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: like freaking five thousand words that it's like what even

1640
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: is plagiarism really? And it's you know, five thousand words

1641
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: of nuance trolling about well, who's to say? And the

1642
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: world has changed, and I don't know, is Wikipedia is

1643
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: just like lifting passages from Wikipedia?

1644
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 4: Can we even say? That's place? Who's to judge? And

1645
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 4: it's a whole new world now with Ai, et cetera,

1646
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera.

1647
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: So now that it's his wife, it's like, what even

1648
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: is plagiarism really? But when it was Claudine Gay, it

1649
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: was bring out the acts. She needs to be gone,

1650
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: She needs to be gone forever, not even hold on

1651
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: to her teaching job, et cetera. So the double standard

1652
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: here is amazing. This is also a person who has

1653
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: complete double standard with regard to quote unquote free speech.

1654
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: Claims to be some free speech warrior until it's an

1655
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,919
Speaker 1: issue that he cares deeply about and suddenly he wonts censorship.

1656
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 4: This is classic.

1657
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: This is what the overwhelming majority of elites, Democrats and

1658
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: Republicans have actually pushed in terms of a quote unquote

1659
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: free speech agenda. They don't want free speech, they want

1660
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: to be able to control what can be said and

1661
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: what cannot be said.

1662
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 4: That is very clear here.

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,440
Speaker 1: This is a man who thinks, because he is extremely

1664
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: wealthy and because he has given certain large gifts to

1665
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: these various institutions, he thinks he should be able to

1666
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: run the show. He should be able to dictate who

1667
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: can stay, who can go, who can say what on

1668
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: what campus, when, where, et cetera. He thinks he should

1669
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: be able to set the standards. And since he's setting

1670
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: the standards, he's got a little carunt exception for his wife.

1671
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on with Bill Ackman. So Sager

1672
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: to your point about the media reporting here, and by

1673
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: the way, this story I have Barrett like, I don't

1674
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: really care who the Harvard University president is, but it

1675
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: does say something important about these powerful elites which do

1676
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: have a lot of power and influence. And this comes

1677
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: out too in terms of this media reaction. So Business

1678
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: Insider does this report, it's obviously tremendously important, impactful, gets

1679
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: a lot of traction, et cetera. They you know, maybe

1680
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: they should have given her more time to respond, but

1681
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: it's not like she's rebutting the allegation.

1682
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 4: They didn't meant anything wrong. They did not get anything wrong.

1683
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: So what is the reaction now of Axel Springer, which

1684
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: owns Business Insider, Well, they're they're concerned about this. This

1685
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: may be, this may have been anti semitic. Actually, what

1686
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: this journalism that unfolded here? Put this up on the

1687
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: screen from them, This is incredible, incredible. This is reported

1688
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: out by Semaphore, say bi's report and Naryosmen has caused

1689
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: division within the top ranks of its owner, Axl Springer.

1690
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 4: Some actual leaders question.

1691
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: Whether the article was newsworthy and are concerned the report

1692
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: could be seen as anti Semitic and anti Zionist. What

1693
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: what How in the world is pointing out accurate instances

1694
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: of plagiarism, anti Semitic or anti Zionists Complete insanity And

1695
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: by the way, part of the course for Axel Springer,

1696
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: which actually requires their employees, their big media conglomerate they

1697
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: own Political and Business Insider and a number of other

1698
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: media outlets, they actually require their employees. This is crazy

1699
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: to me to sign a pro Israel pledge. It's on

1700
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: their website that one of their second like founding prints

1701
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: is a commitment to Israel and the right of Israel

1702
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: to exist. So this is, you know, sort of par

1703
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: for the course for them, but it's complete insanity. And

1704
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: it just shows you again the way that the billionaire

1705
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: class has so much control over what gets reported, how

1706
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: it gets reported, who gets apologized to, who can keep

1707
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: their job, who can't keep their job?

1708
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 4: Total total insanity.

1709
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say soccer is there been

1710
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: allegations that the attacks on Claudine Gay were racist. She's

1711
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: a black woman. I didn't see because they went after

1712
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: everybody who didn't toe their line on canceling, you know,

1713
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: people who are advocating for Palestinian rights. So I didn't

1714
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: see that as having to do with her race. But

1715
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: if you're going to say this is anti Semitic, then

1716
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair game to say, Okay, well

1717
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: then it's racist that you went after a black woman.

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you point that out, because you're right

1719
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 2: is that it was both not anti semitism and it

1720
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: was both not racism.

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01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 3: And that's what That's really why.

1722
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to weigh in because I was getting so

1723
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: inn is that many of the liberals who are trying

1724
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: to defend Claudine Gay were.

1725
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 3: Like, this is an attack on a black woman. It's like, well,

1726
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 3: not always an attack on a black woman. It's about race. Okay,

1727
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 3: maybe sometimes in this case it.

1728
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 2: Actually is all about Israel and about our free speech.

1729
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: And there's a genuine conversation I think to be had

1730
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 2: about DEI and all of that. But the real tell

1731
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 2: to me about this is that Acman does not seem

1732
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,879
Speaker 2: to be annoyed that the person who has succeeded Claudine

1733
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: Gay is a pro Israel, pro Dei Jew and now

1734
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he has nothing to say, yeah,

1735
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: because he claims that is concern is about Dei. But

1736
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: the moment that you have somebody who's in charge now,

1737
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: who has given you your little Israel carve out on DEI,

1738
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: now we're good to go.

1739
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 3: And that's what I've been trying to say here from

1740
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: day one. Folks.

1741
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 2: If you want to make common cause with Bill Ackman

1742
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: and all that, you are signing up just for an

1743
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: Israel exception, for a Jewish exception on DEI. And guess what,

1744
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: I think the whole regime is bad. And so if

1745
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 2: you legitimately are concerned about all these things which I

1746
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: dam about race, quotas and all this other crap going

1747
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: on in American society, this is not somebody you want

1748
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 2: to be.

1749
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 3: And also it's just so obvious too, this is about him.

1750
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 3: He doesn't care now, it's.

1751
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 5: Just in.

1752
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he just wants control. He just wants control.

1753
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: And so that's why you know, Christopher Ruffo is out

1754
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: there like gloating, Oh I got a scalp et cetera.

1755
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: It's like, congratulations, you got someone who's just going to

1756
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: sensor war. It's just going to sensor on more topics.

1757
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: I would give Waiting go this.

1758
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: He would actually continue to he would continue to wage

1759
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: war against the new Harvard president.

1760
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 3: Of the reason I don't believe he.

1761
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: Did this was because she wasn't censorious enough. Like That's

1762
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 1: where this is so insane to me. It's like she

1763
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: actually gave the right answer in the congressional hearing and

1764
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: maybe could say she could word about or whatever, But

1765
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I had zero issue with what she said. And by

1766
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: the way, I just always have to remind people, it's

1767
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: not like there is a single documented instance of college

1768
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: kids running around saying genocide the Jews. What they're talking

1769
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: about are protest chance from the river to the sea.

1770
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: Palestine will be free, That's what they're talking about. And

1771
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: so for you to come in over the top and

1772
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:07,520
Speaker 1: cancel this person, get her fired effectively for not censoring,

1773
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: for actually having a free speech position, I just don't

1774
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: know what we're talking here.

1775
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with any of the substance of what

1776
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: he said. The only reason I'm to defend Chris is

1777
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Chris and Aaron have an acceleration of his view of this,

1778
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: where any scalp in higher education is a good scalp.

1779
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 3: They will continue to go after him. They've been doing

1780
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 3: it on Yale Law School and all these other places. Aaron,

1781
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.

1782
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 2: But Chris is working and has always been to go

1783
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 2: after Dei for him, but he wants.

1784
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 3: To perch and Dei.

1785
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: How is this going after DEI? What you're doing is

1786
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: you're saying we need another protected class.

1787
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: Well, no, he doesn't believe it, but that's what you're enforcing.

1788
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: So that is what he's enforcing. He's willing to make

1789
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: common cause.

1790
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: With Bill, which I think is the wrong decision.

1791
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: Again, I'll say that one hundred percent, but he's not

1792
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: going to stop his war whether Bill stays with him

1793
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: or not. He's going to try and get the next

1794
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: guy fired. He'll continue to try and get Dei and

1795
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 2: all of that dismantled. This is not his goal. He

1796
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: was willing to work with him now in this one instance.

1797
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 2: I just think it's important to separate actual actors here.

1798
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: Acman and the pro Israel crowd are temporary allies, but

1799
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: there are genuine people here who have been working on

1800
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: this for a long time. Now, where do I think

1801
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: that this was the right decision. I don't think it

1802
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: was the right decision. I think that they could have

1803
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 2: gone about it, and should have done it in a

1804
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: very different way. I would not have made this a

1805
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: whole I mean the plagiarism story. The thing is that

1806
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 2: it is genuine on his face. It's just that the

1807
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: people were pushing it were doing it for one reason,

1808
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 2: and I think that for motivational Actually, you know what,

1809
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: we need to say this because there's there's a lot

1810
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 2: more to be said.

1811
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: We can't we can't be hashing this out.

1812
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, listen, I don't deny that she you

1813
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: know that she played ars. Obviously, if you're going to

1814
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: have that standard, have it across the port totally, including

1815
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: with neuroosmen.

1816
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: There you go, let's leave it.

1817
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: Then maybe I'll do a monologue or something about this later.

1818
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 2: I have too much to say.

1819
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 4: All right, what are you looking about? Well today? On

1820
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 4: this one.

1821
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: If you want a single example of why America is

1822
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 2: declining the way that it is today and how everything

1823
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: went wrong, you would be hard pressed to find a

1824
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: better for example than to simply trace the history of

1825
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 2: the Boeing Company, the iconic American aerospace company that pumped

1826
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 2: out nearly one hundred thousand planes for the use in

1827
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 2: Second World War and was a poster child for the might,

1828
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: the ingenuity, and the dominance of the United States in

1829
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 2: the post war era.

1830
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 3: Boeing was America.

1831
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: It employed tens of thousands of people, provided middle class wages.

1832
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 2: It was a pathway to upward mobility, helped us go

1833
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: to the Moon, pioneered stunning new aircraft to propel the

1834
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: US military, kept innovating and designing new planes, propelled the

1835
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: vast majority of the nearly one hundred million Americans today

1836
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: who set foot on a plane at least once a year.

1837
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: But underneath the goliath there has been a lot of

1838
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 2: rot and rot now for quite some time. We got

1839
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: a reminder of this rot on January fifth, when stunning

1840
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: videos began to surface of the middle section of a

1841
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: brand new Boeing seven thirty seven Max nine that fell

1842
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: off in the middle of a flight that had just

1843
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 2: taken off from Portland, Oregon. Let's watch that if you

1844
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet. This war we're at the.

1845
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 3: So there was no one's seated there, there.

1846
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 4: Was no one's seated here in the window.

1847
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: For those who are just listening, the video shows a

1848
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 2: section of the plane missing mid flight, blew out completely.

1849
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: How the hell does this happen?

1850
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 2: Naturally people might think, Oh, it's an old airplane, or

1851
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: it's a maintenance issue, but it is stunning to consider

1852
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,919
Speaker 2: this aircraft was only delivered to Alaska Airlines on October

1853
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 2: thirty first, twenty twenty three, not even two months into

1854
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 2: its history, and a piece is falling out in the sky.

1855
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 2: The troubling part is that this is the latest brand

1856
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: new Boeing aircraft to have a safety issue that is

1857
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: endangering passengers in just the last five years. Recall the

1858
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 2: span of just five months in late twenty eighteen and

1859
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, two brand new Boeing seven thirty seven Max

1860
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 2: eight aircrafts crashed, killing a total of three hundred and

1861
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: forty six people and forcing the entire fleet to be grounded,

1862
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: launching a massive global investigation. The results of that investigation

1863
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: were stunning. They show how we got to this moment.

1864
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Boeing was forced to pay two point five billion dollars

1865
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 2: to the US government to stave off criminal charges against

1866
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: the company and its top pilot, who they alleged had

1867
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: conspired to hide software updates to its piloting system from

1868
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: the FAA and other authorities. That update was later found

1869
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: to be culpable for two of the crashes, and the

1870
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: secrecy was all part of a major corporate plan to

1871
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: rush the product to market to beat out competitors, and

1872
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: indicated that the company was hard pressed to deliver big

1873
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: profits to a shareholders.

1874
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 3: Shareholder pressure has ruled Boeing now for decades.

1875
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: In fact, in the period between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen,

1876
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 2: Boeing bought.

1877
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: Back sixty sixty billion.

1878
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: Dollars of its own stock, money that could and should

1879
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: have been used for research and development and product innovation

1880
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: and safety. Even after the crash, Boeing has still pumped

1881
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: tens of billions of dollars back into stock buybacks to

1882
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 2: stop the bleeding, and to this day has not fundamentally

1883
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: altered their business MOO. In fact, stock buy that buybacks

1884
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: themselves were the cause of the company to have very

1885
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 2: little cash on hand when the coronavirus pandemic hit in

1886
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, which meant Washington had to bail out Boeing

1887
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: to the tune of billions of dollars, So if you

1888
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: were tracking so far, it goes like this, the same

1889
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 2: arc for the whole country. Prior to the financialization era

1890
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: of the nineteen eighties, Boeing built brand ns aircrafts that

1891
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: symbolized the might and progress of America. They traded though

1892
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: off the reputation a brand to prop up their share price,

1893
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: and it became the only thing that mattered to the executives.

1894
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: And when your top job is to pump out airplanes

1895
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 2: as a means of propping up your stock price instead

1896
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 2: of building great airplanes and hoping that the stock price

1897
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 2: follows the seven thirty seven Max eight and nine, is

1898
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: what happens. The absolute most insane thing is that they

1899
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 2: were supposed to have their come up and already. If

1900
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: you read that twenty twenty one Department of Justice agreement

1901
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: with Boeing, it castigates the company for conspiring to hide

1902
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: important safety information from US regulators and says practices were

1903
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: put into place to ensure that something like this never

1904
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 2: happens again. Two years later, a brand new plane, the

1905
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: very latest iteration of that same aircraft, has a piece

1906
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: of side that blows off in the middle of the sky.

1907
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: A pitily two point five billion dollar fine is not

1908
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,799
Speaker 2: going to fix this, nor even is some fake statement

1909
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: of contrition or some fake investigation from the government. The

1910
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: entire system is responsible for creating this problem over decades,

1911
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 2: and thus the only solution is to burn down the

1912
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: system itself.

1913
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: I am not naive. I know this is not.

1914
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Going to happen, which is why the future, in my opinion,

1915
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: is very grim. People too often have a recency bias

1916
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 2: and they're thinking about America. Yeah, things are bad, but

1917
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: if you look at our history, we always come out

1918
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: fine in the end. What they don't tell you is

1919
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 2: that in an interim period, millions of people die, billions of

1920
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: dollars are lost. The lessons that we eventually learned were

1921
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: usually eminently predictable and fixable. In the moment, It was

1922
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 2: greed and corruption that usually stood in the way. The

1923
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 2: likely outcome is this, America is going to find itself.

1924
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: In a genuine crisis.

1925
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: We will need planes and we will find out we

1926
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: barely even know how to build them anymore. We will

1927
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 2: lose either battle lives or war, and people will ask

1928
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: how the hell could this happen? And in that moment,

1929
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: we're going to rewind the clock and we're going to

1930
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: look back at the Boeing company and you're going to

1931
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 2: see how clearly you could predict our future. I told

1932
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 2: you those are not going to matter so much to

1933
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: the people who suffer as a result of the folly

1934
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: that could be fixed right now.

1935
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 3: So look, Chris, so we don't know yet the cost.

1936
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. So, guys,

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Speaker 1: earlier we covered some of the political fallout that has

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Speaker 1: stemmed in large part from Joe Biden's unconditional support for

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Speaker 1: Israel in their assault on Gaza, and that has extended

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Speaker 1: even to some major party donors. Put this report up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is from Politico. They say, a

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Speaker 1: Biden donor calls it quits. This is with regards to

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Speaker 1: Ahmed Khan, and they say, as con views that the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration has dropped the ball. It's failed to meaningfully

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Speaker 1: push Israel to minimize civilian casualties and has stood behind

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Speaker 1: Israeli Primini Benjamin Nyahu even as his government has engaged

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Speaker 1: in what Kan describes as ethnic cleansing on the way

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Speaker 1: to genocide quote.

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Speaker 4: This is bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You make moral compromises being involved in politics and ethical shortcuts,

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Speaker 1: but this is just a bridge too far. And Ahmed Khan,

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Speaker 1: a philanthropist and political activist, joins us. Now, great to

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Speaker 1: have you, sir, you're just user.

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Speaker 7: Thanks, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So what brought you to the place

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Speaker 1: where you are making this break and pushed you to

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Speaker 1: make those comments?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean my background is I deliver humanitarian aid

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Speaker 7: in war zones. This is what I do. I've done

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Speaker 7: it in just about every war zone of our time.

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Speaker 7: I started in my early twenties in Rwanda. I've worked

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Speaker 7: in Sudan, Somalia, Congo, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, you name it.

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Speaker 7: So it's the thing that's most important to me. I

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Speaker 7: spent most of the last two years in Ukraine and

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Speaker 7: what I've seen in Gaza, in touch with maybe five

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Speaker 7: hundred families, maybe more so thousands of people. And I've

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Speaker 7: been to the other side of the border, the Rafa border,

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Speaker 7: multiple times. I've never seen anything like this. So this

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Speaker 7: is the ultimate in human suffering. It just goes There're

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Speaker 7: no where is to describe what's happening there.

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Speaker 1: What puts it on a scale that's different than you know,

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Speaker 1: even what you've seen in places like Rwanda, in places

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Speaker 1: like Ukraine and Yemen.

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Speaker 7: Well, in all the other places there were safe spaces.

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Speaker 7: In Gaza, there is no place that's safe. There is

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Speaker 7: no one that's safe. So you were talking about the

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Speaker 7: entire population of two point two million people that have

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Speaker 7: absolutely no place to go. You can't rent an apartment,

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Speaker 7: you can go into any building who's no building is safe.

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Speaker 7: When you go to a safe zone that's a camp.

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Speaker 7: Let's say you have three hundred dollars and you buy

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Speaker 7: a tent, you go to that camp, and that camp

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Speaker 7: is bombed. That level of desperation, not knowing if you're

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Speaker 7: going to survive through the day, that is something that's

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Speaker 7: unprecedented in our times and probably ever. The Israelis control

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Speaker 7: all the borders, and I suppose that's because that's the

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Speaker 7: way the US administration wants it to be. So in

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Speaker 7: other war zones, you can deliver eight now. For example,

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Speaker 7: in Ukraine, one of the hospitals said, ourcat machine was

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Speaker 7: blown up. We need a new one. I purchased one

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Speaker 7: with a friend and we delivered it. That's impossible in

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Speaker 7: GOSM and you've seen what's happened to the hospitals, and

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Speaker 7: you're probably seeing what's happening today in a Locksha hospital

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Speaker 7: in Central.

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Speaker 2: So how has the Biden team responded to this or

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Speaker 2: have they even have they reached out to you and

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Speaker 2: you've spoken you've been involved now in politics for quite

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Speaker 2: some time. How many people share your beliefs but are

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Speaker 2: not willing to come out as publicly to say that

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a political problem for the president.

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Speaker 7: Well, I've had some people reach out to me off

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Speaker 7: the record and say, you know, I admire what you're doing,

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Speaker 7: without going to say that they agree with me. But

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Speaker 7: I'm sure parenting you if people agree with me. But

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Speaker 7: you know, politics isn't really my thing. I'm involved just

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Speaker 7: sort of like as a shared values type thing as

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Speaker 7: a citizen, Like everybody should be involved in politics, but

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Speaker 7: for me, this the level of humanitarian suffering that they

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Speaker 7: are responsible for, you know, it's it's just something that

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Speaker 7: is inexplicable.

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Speaker 1: What's your response to people who would say, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what Biden is doing here with his support is horrible,

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Speaker 1: it's indefensible, But what you're going to help elect Trump

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Speaker 1: is he going to be any better. He also did

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Speaker 1: whatever Israel wanted when he was president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So what's your response to that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm not you know, that's really not my concern.

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Speaker 7: My concern are the eleven thousand dead children, probably another

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Speaker 7: twenty thousand children who have catastrophic injuries that they'll never

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Speaker 7: recover from, lost legs, lost arms, Maybe five hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: children who are on the brink, if not on starvation.

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Speaker 7: They're getting no food groups. Maybe the children under two

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Speaker 7: are maybe getting some bread every day. You know, those

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Speaker 7: are my concerns. So as a humanitarian, my greatest concerns

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Speaker 7: are these people who have no voice. You know, I

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Speaker 7: will leave it to the rest of the three hundred

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Speaker 7: and fifty million Americans or how many ever are there

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Speaker 7: are a voting age to decide who's the next president.

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Speaker 7: But I think I, as a humanitarian, should hold the

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Speaker 7: people I've supported responsible. And you know it's my small effort.

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Speaker 7: I'm not some gigantic mega don or. I mean what

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Speaker 7: most of my philanthropy is doing stuff like this.

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Speaker 2: So, im and you've mentioned you've been doing a lot

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Speaker 2: of work in Ukraine, obviously, been traveling the world trying

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Speaker 2: to as well get aid and you said to deliver it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this is undermined the US position

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine? If you were just recently in Ukraine, how

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Speaker 2: do they respond, you know, to what's going on there?

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Speaker 2: How do they reconcile some of the ways that we've

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Speaker 2: talked about Russian actions on Ukraine with what's going on

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Speaker 2: in Israel.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was in Ukraine two weeks ago. I've been

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Speaker 7: there for the majority of the last two years, mostly

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Speaker 7: along the front lines, actually delivering aid to frontline villages

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Speaker 7: and alongside the Ukrainian army. Well, you know, they what

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Speaker 7: can they say, because ultimately the US is their major sponsor,

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Speaker 7: but of course they're the deliveries on all accounts with

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Speaker 7: regards to civilians and the military have have have, I

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Speaker 7: have come down, So of course they're very frustrated, but

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Speaker 7: you know, they don't really have the ability to complain

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Speaker 7: because who do you complain to?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: What have you made of the comments from US officials

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Speaker 1: that have been.

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Speaker 4: Unequivocal in support. We occasionally get.

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Speaker 1: These little like pearl clutching all they need to reduce

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Speaker 1: civilian casualties. But there was a recent response from John Kirby,

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Speaker 1: who was asked about South Africa Africa's application to the

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Speaker 1: ICJ charging Israel with genocide, and this is how he

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Speaker 1: responds to take a listen.

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Speaker 2: South Africa's filed this eighty four page lawsuit against Israel

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Speaker 2: accusing them of genocide.

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Speaker 7: Israel said that this is blood libel.

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Speaker 2: Does Washington agree and where does this put Washington in preatory?

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Speaker 4: And fine?

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Speaker 2: This submission meritless, counterproductive and completely without any basis in

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Speaker 2: fact whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of responses like that?

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Speaker 7: It's nuts. I mean they're sourced right, their footnotes, there

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Speaker 7: are sources, there's evidence there and you know time will tell, right,

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Speaker 7: and unfortunately, they will be vindicated and everyone that supports

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Speaker 7: them will be vindicated in the future, which is always

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Speaker 7: the case when a sort of action like this is happening.

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Speaker 7: But it's really it really matters what are we doing today.

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Speaker 7: I have no doubt that, you know, this will all

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Speaker 7: come out, like every single one of these innocent civilians

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Speaker 7: that's been murdered for no reason, it will all come

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Speaker 7: out and hopefully we will all hold them accountable. But

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Speaker 7: that doesn't really help people get through today. In terms

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Speaker 7: of the Lift service about minimizing civility and casualties and

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Speaker 7: increasing aid. That's just more nonsense. It's complete nonsense. So

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Speaker 7: either they I don't even know if they believe what

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Speaker 7: they say. They're saying, you know, like it's it's actually

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Speaker 7: really crazy. The deliveries of aid is meaningless, the numbers

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Speaker 7: are incredibly low, and the civilian casualties have not been reduced.

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Speaker 7: So if you're saying you're doing that, then either you're

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Speaker 7: failing or you're lying. I don't know which one. It is.

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Speaker 1: Part of Israel's defense that they're floating to the ICA

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Speaker 1: is that, oh, there have been hundreds of aid trucks

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Speaker 1: that have been allowed in. We've been trying to you know,

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Speaker 1: enable the provision of additional aid. You know, as someone

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Speaker 1: who has been directly involved in these efforts, just give

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Speaker 1: us a sense of what has led to this catastrophic

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Speaker 1: breakdown and how their words are so disconnected from the

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Speaker 1: reality that the people you're speaking to and cads are

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Speaker 1: actually facing.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, there's a series of security checks and

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Speaker 7: so when you drive to the Rafa border crossing, you

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Speaker 7: will pass hundreds and hundreds of trucks, some of them

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Speaker 7: have been there for three weeks, four weeks. Actually, I

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Speaker 7: don't even know how the drivers remain like normal, just

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Speaker 7: sitting in their trucks, and it's just a matter of

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Speaker 7: each truck has to go through number of number of

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Speaker 7: security checks and often the goods are rejected. So actually

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Speaker 7: the most high value goods that are the most required

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Speaker 7: are rejected medical items, stuff for the hospitals. You're not

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Speaker 7: allowed to bring in anything with power, even solar, you

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Speaker 7: can't bring in even tense. I mean, they're literally warehouses

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Speaker 7: full of stuff that's been rejected, and they're just sitting

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Speaker 7: there and donated items, you know, and it's just very

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Speaker 7: clear that it's you know, I'd love to hear what

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Speaker 7: the answer to that is, but you know, as far

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Speaker 7: as I can tell from everyone I've spoken to and

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Speaker 7: being there, it's the the the level of the security checks.

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Speaker 7: And then even inside Gaza, the World Health Organization and

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Speaker 7: U and OCHA will try to move stuff from south

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Speaker 7: to central Gaza and they'll be rejected. I think there

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Speaker 7: were four rejection yesterday alone.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Finally, how do you think history will judge this president?

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Speaker 7: I just don't know how he disentangles himself from what

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Speaker 7: these Raelis are doing. In Gaza. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 7: it was very obvious to me on October eighth that

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Speaker 7: the plan was to ethnically cleanse Gaza. There's just no

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Speaker 7: other way you look at it. I've worked with the

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Speaker 7: US Army, I've worked alongside the Ukrainian Army, I've worked

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Speaker 7: alongside the Kurdish Pish murder. I've never seen this lack

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Speaker 7: of interest in protecting civilians. And you know, there's nobody

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Speaker 7: who can tell me what a responsible army is because

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Speaker 7: I've literally been with every army on the front line.

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Speaker 7: So you know, nobody at their you know, spin class

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Speaker 7: at Equinox is going to tell me what a responsible

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Speaker 7: army is. And you know, there's no I just don't know.

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Speaker 7: It was clear from the beginning, right, it was very

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Speaker 7: clear what the purpose was. And they tell us what

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Speaker 7: the purpose is. They tell us what they're doing. No

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Speaker 7: shortage of Kanescant members, no shortage of members of the

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Speaker 7: Prime Minister's Cabinet have said this is what they want

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Speaker 7: to do. And so for the US administration to then

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Speaker 7: turn around and tell us, so, you know, that's that's irresponsible.

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Speaker 7: We wish we didn't talk like that. It's sort of

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Speaker 7: like the us is kind of like we don't really

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Speaker 7: want them speaking out loud on what they're doing on

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Speaker 7: the ground. And that's I mean, I don't even know

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Speaker 7: what the word for that is. It's not infuriating in

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Speaker 7: some other word, but I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: AMD, thank you for your time today, and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the work that you do.

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Speaker 1: I really deeply, deeply admire and respect you for it.

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Speaker 4: So thank you, Thanks Amin.

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Speaker 7: Thanks to the two of you, I appreciate absolutely.

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Speaker 4: It's our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's been great to be back, and we will

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Speaker 2: see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Beca