1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to Playing Dirty Sports Scandals. 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Jay Harris. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: I've had over twenty years of experience as a journalist 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: and sportscaster, hosting a variety of ESPN shows from SportsCenter 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: to Outside the Lines. Fun fact, I'm also a pie season. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: But I guarantee that I'm not one of the big 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: fish getting tangled up in the net of scandal on 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: this show. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm just taking you on a deep dive way beneath 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: the waves of decorum, down in the dark abyss of 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: human scheming, to uncover what happened to the athletes at 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: the center of the scandals that shocked and sometimes forever 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: changed the world of sports. My go to disclaimer for 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: playing dirty people who play sports are still human. 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Remember this, people. 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Sure, it's natural to look up to legends like Tony 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Hawk and Mia Ham, but at the end of the day, 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: our sports idols are just like the rest of us 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: in the ways to count the most. 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: We all put our pants on one leg at a time. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: We all have our good days and our bad days, 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: and we are all fallible. When giants fall. Say it 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: with me, it reverberates. There really is nothing quite like 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: the juiciness of a scandal, Am I right? Scandals really 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: shake things up, injecting our lives with zest and enabling 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: us to derive vicarious pleasure and the rule breaking of others. 28 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: We know it's wrong to crave that addictive scandal juice, 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: of course we do, but we just can't help ourselves. 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: It's like rubbernecking. We know that we shouldn't do it. 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: We try not to do it, but statistically most of 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: us do go down to look when there's. 33 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: A gruesome car accident. 34 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: It is horrible, but the fact that rubbernecking is estimated 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: to be responsible for fifteen percent of all car accidents 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: each year means that humans, for the most part, are 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: morbidly curious, and there's nothing quite like a mind blowing 38 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: down and dirty sports scandal to satisfy our inherent morbid curiosity. 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: We are a thirsty species, and I'm your juicing expert 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: here to quench your voracious human thirst to be in 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: the know. Yes, it's scandal time, so drake up and 42 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: let's tumble back into the action. At the end of 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: our last episode, the United States women's gymnastics team flew 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: home from the Sydney Olympics with a shocking defeat and 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: lots of questions about the fairness of the games. After 46 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: the glory of the Magnificent Seven's gold in nineteen ninety six, 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: not a single US women's gymnast medaled in Sydney. The 48 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: New York Times headlines read Sydney two thousand gymnastics out 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: of sync and Sydney two thousand gymnastics No easy explanations 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: and no medals either. As the Americans slip ouch. The 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: US team had finished in fourth place after China beat 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: them for the bronze medal by just one point. You 53 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: know the saying not all that glitters is gold, right, Well, 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: not all that beams is bronze. What happened in Sydney 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: began to unravel years after the final routine was over, 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: and the fallout, whatever profound impact on the young women 57 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: of the US and Chinese teams, a deep review into 58 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: gymnastics had begun. Owing that bronze medal the Chinese team 59 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: had clinched, well, its journey around the world had just 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: begun too. Let's check back in with the teams involved 61 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: at Sydney. For US gymnastics, the two thousand Sydney Olympics, 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: smart turning point, America's team, once a symbol of triumph 63 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: and resilience, faced the period of recriminations, reflections, and rebuilding 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: after Sydney. Gymnastics legends like Dominic Dawes and Amy Chow, 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: pivotal members of the gold Magnificent seventeen in nineteen ninety 66 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: six in Atlanta, grappled with the bitter taste of disappointment 67 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: after coming so close to the podium again in Sydney. 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: Sports psychologists claim that many athletes believe a fourth place 69 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: finish just out of metal contention is worse than finishing 70 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: much farther back in the pack. Though it might seem 71 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: illogical to view a fourth place rank as worse than 72 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: a seventh or fifteenth, it's the fact that these high 73 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: performance competitors fell just shy of their ultimate goals that 74 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: researchers say can make it hurt the most. That pain 75 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: of falling short at the Sydney Olympic Games on a 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: stage where everyone thought they would triumph likely contributed to 77 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: both Dominic DAWs and Amy Chow's decisions to retire. DAWs 78 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: and Chow's departures from competitive gymnastics were especially significant. Dawes 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: was the first African American gymnast to win an individual 80 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Olympic medal with her bronze on floor in nineteen ninety six. 81 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: She later said, I compare it to Tiger playing golf 82 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: for the Williams sisters in tennis. Being there on that 83 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: stage and having young girls see a diverse team is 84 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: what allows that sport to be seen as an opportunity 85 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: for them because they see Tiger or Venus or me 86 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: or someone who looks like them finding success. Similarly, Chow 87 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: was the first female Asian American gymnast medalist. When these 88 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: trailblazers retired, their accomplishments resonated in the world of US 89 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: gymnastics for decades, ushering in an era of minority participation 90 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: never before seen. So even though the two thousand women's 91 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: gymnastics team had been momentarily crushed, these were women who 92 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: knew how to bounce back, both literally and figuratively. Amy 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Choo graduated from Stanford Medical School in two thousand and 94 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: seven and is a practicing pediatrician in California Dominic. Dawes 95 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: served as president of the Women's Sports Foundation from two 96 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: thousand and four to two thousand and six, where she 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: was the youngest president in the foundation's history, before becoming 98 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: a very successful advisor and motivational speaker. While the American 99 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: team faltered in Sydney, they ultimately stuck their personal landings 100 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: in a big way despite winning the bronze medal in 101 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: the moment. The Chinese athletes weren't so fortunate following the 102 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: Sydney Olympic Games. For Dong Feng Chiao, the Chinese gymnast 103 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: who was registered as sixteen years old, would have turned 104 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: out to be only fourteen years old at the Sydney Olympics. Well, 105 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: the fallout was absolutely brutal for her in China. While 106 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: Chinese Olympic athletes have the benefit of financial support from 107 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: their government, the flip side is that once the Olympics 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: are over, and especially if they're a scandal involved, that 109 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: government money is gone. After the Sydney Games and over 110 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: the ten years of media scrutiny that followed, Dong had 111 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: to bear the brunt of the age falsification allegations herself. 112 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: The Chinese government naturally wanted to distance themselves from the 113 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: gymnastics scandal, and so the state run Chinese media proclaimed 114 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: that Dong was solely responsible for any wrongdoing. They alleged 115 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: that what had happened in Sydney was a conspiracy on 116 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: the part of Dong and her family. Things went from 117 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: bad to worse for Dong fang Xiao when injury struck. 118 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: China Daily reported Dong fang Xiao was diagnosed with femoral 119 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: head necrosis in two thousand and one. Femoral head necrosis 120 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: is the death of bone tissue due to a lack 121 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: of blood supply. This can lead to tiny breaks in 122 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the bone and cause the bone to collapse. The debilitating 123 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: process usually occurs over a period of months to years, 124 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: and anyone can be effected. However, the condition is most 125 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: common in people between the ages of thirty and fifty. 126 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: The fact that Dong was grappling with femeral head necrosis 127 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: in her teens demonstrates how much damage young competitive gymnast 128 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: can sustain, accelerating the onset of serious health conditions. China 129 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Daily continued reporting that since then, Dong has been struggling 130 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: to make ends meet because her family has fallen into poverty. 131 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Her situation worsened after the recent expose of the fake 132 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: age scandal. Athletics is a career with high attrition and 133 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: injury rate. In China, the living condition of athletes, especially 134 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: those who have retired, is far from satisfactory. Dong is 135 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: only one example of that. Remember how I told you 136 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: that Don feng Xiao lives with her husband in New Zealand, 137 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: teaching gymnastics on the down low, more than six thousand 138 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: miles away from the homeland she once represented. 139 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: Now you know why. 140 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: With the Sydney rumors swirling, the lives of young athletes 141 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: from two countries uphended, and government's battling, you'd think that 142 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: gymnastics would have immediately cleaned up its act after two thousand, 143 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: especially because there was extra pressure for the two thousand 144 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: and four Olympics coming up. After all, the next games 145 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: were set to be held in the very cradle of 146 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: Olympic glory, Athens, Greece. The Athens Olympics was a redemption 147 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: opportunity for both countries. This much was clear. The US 148 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: team needed to prove that they were once again of 149 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: meddling caliber, and the Chinese team needed to prove that 150 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: they could win without a sniff of impropriety. The stakes 151 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: were high, and the lead up to two thousand and 152 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: four in the United States. The retirement of several gymnastics 153 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: legends after the Sydney Games felt like a punch to 154 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: the gut from many sports fans and signaled the end 155 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: of an era, But it also provided an opportunity for 156 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: a new generation of young American women to step up 157 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: to the Olympic level. The fresh faces was a young 158 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: and determined Carly Patterson. Patterson was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 159 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight. Growing up, Carly wanted to be 160 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: just like Nadiya Komenici and Shannon Miller, her two gymnastics heroes. 161 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: She got hooked on gymnastics after a birthday party at 162 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: a gym when she was only six years old. Her 163 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: goal was to win the all around Olympic gold medal, 164 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and she worked every day to become the best so 165 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: she could achieve it. At the World Championships in two 166 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: thousand and three, Carly won a silver medal on beam 167 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: and had her signature dismount, known as an Arabian double front, 168 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: officially named the Patterson after her. This incredibly difficult maneuver 169 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: is when the gymnast starts out as though she's doing 170 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: a backflip but immediately does a half twist. The women 171 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: of the US team, in part because of Carly's strong performances, 172 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: won a first ever World Championship gold team medal. In 173 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: the three years since the Sydney embarrassment, it look like 174 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: US Gymnastics was successfully developing a strong roster of excellent, 175 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: focused young athletes who could contend for the gold in 176 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: Athens in two thousand and four. The only thing I 177 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: really really want Carly Patterson said, is for the US 178 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: to win again, Just to win another team gold. Despite 179 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: a commitment to review gymnastics training practices, fair play, and 180 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: the culture of the sport from the inside out. Just 181 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: one year after the Sydney Olympic Games in two thousand, 182 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: Marta Coroli was named national coordinator of the US women's 183 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: gymnastics team. You remember Marta, right, the wife and longtime 184 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: coaching partner of Bellacaroli. CNN's expose of the Coroli ranch 185 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: reported that the Coroles would strike minor child gymnasts, scratch 186 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: minor child gymnasts until they bled, encourage parents of the 187 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: minor child gymnasts to hit their children, and require gymnasts 188 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: to train while. 189 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 2: They were ill. 190 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: The fe L gymnasts competing for spots on the two 191 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: thousand and four Athens Olympics team would head to the 192 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: Coroli Ranch, a sprawling two thousand acre compound set in 193 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: the Sam Houston National Forest in Texas, to practice and 194 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: battle it out under the watchful eye of Martin Coroli. 195 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: Was she a more patient, less abusive coach than Bella 196 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: by all accounts, yes, but was moving the team's leadership 197 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: from one allegedly abusive team coordinator to another more passive 198 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: partner within that same system. The improvement gymnast deserved after Sydney, 199 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: probably not in the case of an emergency. The closest 200 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: hospital was so far away you need to be helicoptered 201 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: there from the Coroli Ranch, wrote reporter Holly Anne. To 202 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: get to the ranch, you must drive up a dirt 203 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: road for what seems like an eternity. On top of that, 204 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: there is no cell service. It's completely isolated, and that's 205 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: no mistake. That's how the Corolis wanted it. Even more worrying, 206 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: no parents were allowed at Coroli Ranch. According to NBC 207 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: reporter Liz Clark, the gymnasts bunked in cabins six to. 208 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: Eight to a room. 209 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: The aspiring olympians practices were as carefully scripted as their diets. 210 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: They gave us choices, but Marta sees what you eat, 211 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: and if she doesn't like what you're eating or the 212 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: way you look, she'll tell you, said Courtney McCool, who 213 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: ultimately did make Martha's cut and go on to represent 214 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: the US at the Athens Olympics. Marta sees you every month, 215 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: so if she thinks you've gained weight or you've looked better, 216 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: she'll tell you. 217 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: So. 218 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: USA Gymnastics did make a shift in their approach to 219 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: training athletes after Sydney, inasmuch as Bela Coroli was replaced 220 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: by his wife Marta as the national team coordinator, but 221 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: the women continued to train in the allegedly unsafe environment 222 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: of Coroli Ranch, and their human welfare seemingly remained subordinate 223 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: to national interests. In the words of US say Gymnastics 224 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: president Bob Colarossi, MARTA's emphasis on technique and drive towards 225 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: excellence is to push our program needs to be medal contenders. 226 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: Everyone was once again myopically focused on putting a team 227 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: in place that would meddle. Marta Coroli announced the team 228 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: for the historic two thousand and four Athens Olympic Games. 229 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: After the trials and training camp, the USA team was 230 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Carly Patterson, Courtney Coupets, Courtney McCool, Mohemy Bardoisee, Ania Hatch, 231 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: and Tarn Humphrey, with three other women, Chelsea Memmo, Tasha 232 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Schweikert and Alish Ashino named as alternates. Could these young 233 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: women succeed where the Sydney team failed, would the rising 234 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Chinese team once again show themselves more deserving of a 235 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: place on the metal stand. Meanwhile, in China, whispers about 236 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: whether their team had deserved a place on the metal 237 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: stand in two thousand were swirling, undermining the national triumph. 238 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Chinese officials were not happy about having to defend the 239 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: Olympic win. In the media and communist countries, controlling the 240 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: media narrative is of paramount importance to maintaining leadership. The 241 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: traditional media in China, said businesswoman and TV journalist Yang Lan, 242 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: is still heavily controlled by the government, but in my 243 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: personal view, certain censorship is important since nations have different 244 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: social and cultural backgrounds. In two thousand and one, on 245 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: the heels of the Chinese women's gymnastics team winning bronze. 246 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Clamping down on the rumors of cheating and emphasizing the 247 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: metal where the government's prerogative. But just because you control 248 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: the media doesn't mean you control common sense. It wasn't 249 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: just the international community commenting that the Chinese gymnasts in 250 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: Sydney looked far younger than the required sixteen years old anymore, 251 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the international community noting the unfairness 252 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: if under aged gymnasts had competed on behalf of China. 253 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Women's gymnastics is a sport where being lighter and less 254 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: developed can be a huge advantage. Throwing your body into 255 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: the air and spinning and twisting is much easier the 256 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: lighter you are. Some also say that being younger means 257 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: being more ignorant of the pressures and stress of Olympic competition. 258 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: After all, the more mature you are, the more you 259 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: understand how the sports world really works and how high 260 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the metal stakes really are. Citizens in China recognized all 261 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: of this. They were putting the pieces together, and they 262 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: weren't happy to think their country's win had come unfairly. 263 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: These rumors of age falsification now both a national and 264 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: international problem for China grew each year after Sydney to 265 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: talk about possible passport doping could not be quashed by 266 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: China's medium machine. Passport doping meant that athlete's accreditation paperwork 267 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: was not reflecting their biological variables, indicating that their official 268 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: documents were in fact inauthentic. The concerns and rumors grew 269 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: loud enough that they reached the organization that oversees the 270 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: entire sport, the International Gymnastics Federation, or FIG, and they 271 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: decided to take action. As FIG launched an investigation into 272 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: the age of athletes on the Chinese team, the gymnastics 273 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: world watched and wondered if the long suspected passport doping 274 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: in Sydney could be proven, and if so, what might 275 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: the penalty or punishment be. While FIG got to work 276 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: investigating passport doping continued in gymnastics. The flip side of media, 277 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: after all, is that it gives unsavory players ideas. If 278 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just look at Canadian murderer 279 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: Mark Twitchell, who, once inspired by the TV show Dexter, 280 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: went on to kill in real life. There are so 281 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: many voices in media nowadays. All it takes is for 282 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: the wrong voice to resonate with the wrong player, and bam, 283 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: you've got a recipe for scandal. If Shina could cheat 284 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: and walk away with the bronze Olympic medal, why couldn't 285 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: other countries with an eye towards national achievement bend the rules. 286 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: In their own favor. Hmm. 287 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: North Korea decided that it darn well could. The difference 288 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: this time, however, was that FIG was ready for age 289 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: falsification transgressions. The Gymnastics Watchdog slapped the sanction of North Korea, 290 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: which lasted through twenty twelve, after finding out that Hong 291 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: su Jong, a star artistic gymnast, competed at the two 292 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: thousand and four Athens Olympics under age. North Korea wasn't 293 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: even allowed to compete in the London Olympics gymnastics competitions 294 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: because of the scandal. No leniency was shown by FIG 295 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: to North Korea. In a stunning show a regulatory force, 296 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: it seemed that while training practices hadn't shifted as greatly 297 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: as one might have hoped in the aftermath of the 298 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: Sydney Olympic Games, that at least FIG was taking its 299 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: response onsibility to uphold fair sportsmanship very seriously. Figg's determination 300 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: to return integrity to the sport appeared to buoy the 301 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: US women's gymnastics team, who were focused on redefining their 302 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: Olympic narrative after Sydney. Under the leadership of Carly Patterson 303 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: and with Mohemi Bardoise, one of the greatest gymnasts of 304 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Indian origin ever, as their captain, the team was determined 305 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: to showcase the level of skill, unity, and unwavering spirit 306 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: that captured the essence of gymnastics at its finest. Carly 307 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Patterson was a veritable beacon of determination as she and 308 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: her team took to the gym August seventeenth, two thousand 309 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and four, for team finals at the Athens Olympics. Would 310 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: they deliver a team gold as the Magnificent Seven had 311 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: done back in nineteen ninety six. Would they falter as 312 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: the US team had done in two thousand. When asked, 313 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: Carly said, I think we're all really strong and we 314 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: just need to keep working really hard. If we go 315 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: out there and do our best, we'll win again. All 316 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: we need to do is hit and hit they did. 317 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: In a major reversal from Sydney. The Chinese team finished 318 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: a distant seventh, while the US women won a silver medal, 319 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: losing by less than one point to gold medal winning Romania, 320 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: a perennial powerhouse. Russia finished in third, and there was 321 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: barely one point separating all three medaling teams. Redemption was 322 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: finally theirs, and the US women headed into individual competition 323 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: at the Athens Games with confidence and poise. Despite her 324 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: enormous talent, Carly Patterson was actually not the favorite going 325 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: into the individual all around competition at Athens. 326 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: That distinction belonged. 327 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: To Russia's Svetlana Krkina, a veteran gymnast who was determined 328 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: to claim her gold in Athens. The thing about Svetlana 329 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: was that she didn't make it easy to root for 330 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: a major star in Russia. Svetlana had a way of 331 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: turn turning off international spectators with her uber nationalistic sore 332 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: grapes commentary. To be always first is completely normal for me, 333 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: as it is from my great country, which certain silly 334 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: people don't agree with. 335 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: Svetlana said. 336 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Her attitude lacked the sporting optimism that gymnastics sorely needed 337 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. So while most sportscasters begrudgingly 338 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: had Setlana Peg to win. They certainly weren't disappointed when 339 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: Carly Patterson, the cheerful can do Kansas City athlete representing 340 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the US won the day. Carly scored over nine point 341 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: seven on two events, beam and floor, a score matched 342 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: only by Svetlana corcanut on bars. Her history making performance 343 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: on the balance beam, especially, which was capped off by 344 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: an incredible signature dismount, secured her the gold all around, 345 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: breaking a twenty year drought for the US women after 346 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Mary lou Rettin's win in nineteen eighty four. Carly Patterson's 347 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: individual jewel all around gold medal symbolized personal triumph, but 348 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: also served as a testament to the collective strength of 349 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: the entire US gymnastics team. The journey to and triumph 350 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: at the two thousand and four Athens Olympics proved to 351 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: be a test of resilience for the US women's gymnastics team, 352 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: as the athletes navigated new training regimes under Marta Coroli 353 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: and shook free from the shadow of Sydney. However, the 354 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: true challenge lay ahead as the sport itself underwent a 355 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: paradigm shift with the evolving code of Points that measured artistry, acrobatics, 356 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and grace in gymnastics, all considered essential in a well 357 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: rounded and gold metal deserving routine. Meanwhile, figg's age verification 358 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: investigation was ramping up and questions about China's team were growing. 359 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: The tension was building on all fronts within the gymnastics community, 360 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: and the Sydney scandal's resolution couldn't be put off much longer. 361 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: As gymnastics grappled with a new code of Points, the 362 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: landscape shifted again at the two thousand and seven Beijing 363 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: Gymnastics World Championships. Here, concerns about the ages of Chinese 364 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: gymnasts reached new heights, even as Chinese officials and coaches 365 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: pushed back on the escalating allegations. Asians have different figures 366 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: than people from the West, so that's what's caused their suspicion, 367 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: said Huang Yu, been, head coach of China's men's and 368 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: women's gymnastics teams, referring to media inquiries, they shouldn't be suspicious. 369 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: Despite Chinese protestations of innocence, fig found itself under heightened 370 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: scrutiny and pressure from the international Olympic Committee often referred 371 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: to as the IOC, to investigate the passport doping concerns 372 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: after the two thousand and seven Beijing Gymnastics World Championships, 373 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: setting the stage for a comprehensive inquiry into age eligibility 374 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: and athlete well being. Figg's actions during this period played 375 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: a crucial role in shaping the narrative leading up to 376 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight Beijing Olympics. As the world 377 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: turned its attention to China as the host nation, the 378 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: gymnastics community faced a reckoning, with questions about fair play, 379 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: adherence to rules, and the overall integrity of the sport 380 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: taking center stage. The IOC delved into the intricate details 381 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: of athlete birth certificates, passports, and official records, directly desperately 382 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: wanting to restore a reputation for integrity to the sport. 383 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: The two thousand and eight Beijing Olympics marked a pivotal 384 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: moment in the history of women's gymnastics. As the world 385 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: turned its gaze to the iconic Bird's Nest stadium, The 386 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: gymnastics arena transformed into a stage for breathtaking performances and 387 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: nail biting competitions. The stadium at the Beijing Games was 388 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: nicknamed the Bird's Nest because of its nest like skeleton structure. 389 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: The opening ceremony encompassed two parts titled Brilliant Civilization and 390 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: Glorious Era, respectively. The first performance showcased the Chinese civilization, 391 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: and the second act presented modern China and its dream 392 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: of harmony between everyone in the world. Pretty ironic under 393 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: the cloud of a cheating scandal, don't you think. According 394 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: to organizers, the stadium was at full capacity with ninety 395 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: one thousand people in attendance at the opening of the 396 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: Beijing Olympic Games. But even with all of this extravagance, 397 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: this visual feast for viewers worldwide, the spotlight was on 398 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: the formidable US women's gymnastics team, which came into Beijing 399 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: as reigning Olympic teams silver medallists. Led by the indomitable 400 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: Sean Johnson and Nastia Lucan, the US team dazzled the 401 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: world with their precision, grace, nerves of steel, and wild 402 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: acrobatic feats, But it was the Chinese team that came 403 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: roaring back from their feet in two thousand and four, 404 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: perhaps spurred by home team advantage, hosting the two thousand 405 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: and eight Summer Olympics was a symbol of China's rejuvenation, 406 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: rights historian xiong Wang. Through the extravagant opening ceremony, the 407 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: Chinese government showcased China's historical glory and new achievements, unassailable 408 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: evidence that China had finally made it. 409 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: China won the team. 410 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: Gold, edging up the strong US team, who captured the 411 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: silver by two points. The competition between the gymnastics powerhouses 412 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: of USA and China intensified as both nations vied for 413 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: supremacy in the coveted all around individual title. Sean Johnson's 414 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: dynamic floor routines and Nastie Lukan's elegant performances on the 415 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: uneven bars solidified their status as gymnastic icons. In a 416 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: spectacular turn of events, Nasti A Lukan clinched the coveted 417 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: gold in the all around, while Sean Johnson secured the silver. 418 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: Yilin Jong of China took the bronze. Americans had never 419 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: before finished first and second in gymnastics all around competition, 420 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: and despite not topping the podium in the individual medals, 421 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: China had secured a bronze on top of their team 422 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: gold he had. Amidst the celebrations from both teams. At 423 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight Beijing Olympic Games, questions arose 424 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: about the eligibility of some Chinese gymnasts, once again stirring 425 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: debate about age manipulation and fairness in the sport. Journalists 426 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: took notes specifically of the Chinese team, which was officially 427 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: comprised of gymnasts who supposedly met the age necessary to compete, 428 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: but news reports after the Beijing Games made mention of 429 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: the extremely small size of some of the Chinese team 430 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: and implied their size meant they could not possibly have 431 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: been sixteen years old sometime in two thousand and eight. 432 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: For example, Leen Lindanng was just four foot six inches 433 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: and weighed only sixty eight pounds. Yu Yanjong was barely 434 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: bigger at four foot seven inches and only seventy pounds. 435 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: The average height and weight for the Chinese team was 436 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: four foot nine inches and seventy seven pounds. In comparison, 437 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: sixteen year old US gymnast Sean Johnson was a veritable 438 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: linebacker at four foot nine and ninety pounds. They're using 439 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: half people. Marta Corolei told the Associated Press, one of 440 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: the biggest frustrations is what arrogance these people think that 441 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: we're stupid. 442 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: We're in the. 443 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: Business of gymnastics, and we know what a kid of 444 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen or sixteen looks like. You don't have 445 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: to be a gymnastics coach to know what they look 446 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: like at sixteen. During the competition itself, Coroli was overheard 447 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: to exclaim, what kind of slap in the face is this? 448 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: They are twelve fourteen years old, Max, and they line 449 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: them up for the world and are having the government 450 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: backed them. Investigation by US media into the claims of 451 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: China cheating at the Olympics again was fierce. Sportswriter E. M. 452 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: Swift specifically criticized the International Olympic Committee the IOC for 453 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: spending millions of dollars trying to ferret out drug cheats 454 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: while ignoring allegations of institutionalized cheating by the Chinese government 455 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: and with the finger heatedly pointed in its direction by 456 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: the press, the IOC finally acted by ordering the Federation 457 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: Internationality Gymnastique the FIG to investigate if, in fact, Leen Lean, 458 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: Dang or any other gymnasts on China's twenty eighteen had 459 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: only been fourteen years old at the time of the 460 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: Beijing Olympic Games. Andre Geisbueller, Secretary General of the PIG, said, 461 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: I would hope that the whole world in sport realizes 462 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: that the FIG is serious about these rules and the 463 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: ethics and moral questions. And yet FIG, the organization that 464 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: it kicked off an in depth review of practices in 465 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: gymnastics and which had punished North Korea with a severe 466 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: band for passport doping in Athens in two thousand and four, 467 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: now shocked the world just four years later by ignoring 468 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: the facts which journalists had independently uncovered. Suddenly FIG seemed 469 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: not to be the integral body with an ethical iron fist. 470 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: China produced a passport with the required dates for each 471 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: member of their twenty eight team, and FIG didn't investigate further. Instead, 472 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: they turned a blind eye to overwhelming proof of unfair play. 473 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: All passports are valid for all gymnasts competing in the 474 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: Beijing Olympic Games, FIG said in a nondescript statement. The 475 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: New York Times countered FIG's ruling with the headline athletes 476 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: only as old as China says they are oh Snap. 477 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: Marta Coroli was also crystal clear about what she thought 478 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: of the controversy. We are ready to take on any team, 479 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: She deadpanned overage or under age. The International Gymnastics Federation's 480 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: investigations and subsequent clearance of the Chinese gymnast fueled discussions 481 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: about the ethics of competition. Once again, the sport felt 482 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: marred by bad behavior. As the curtain fell on the 483 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: gymnastics events in Beijing. The two thousand and eight Olympics 484 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: left an indelible mark, a complex tapestry of triumph, controversy, 485 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: and the enduring pursuit of athletic excellence that defines the 486 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: world of women's gymnastics. Just because fig called curtains on 487 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: investigating the two thousand and eight Beijing Games didn't mean 488 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: that the curtains fell, however, Power to the people right. 489 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: A flurry of challenges emerged almost immediately. Bloggers stride Hacks 490 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: claimed to have uncovered proof suggesting that Hua Ku Shin, 491 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: of the Chinese gymnastics team in Beijing was only fourteen, 492 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: too young to have competed in the Olympics. Internet searches 493 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: and alleged web pages compiled by China's General Administration of 494 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: Sport seemed to support what stride Hacks had found. Age 495 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: falsification claims intensified, leading some to dig even further back 496 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: again into the age of the Chinese gymnasts. At the 497 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Sydney Olympics in two thousand, the year they edged out 498 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: the US for the team bronze medal, this is the 499 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: moment when the national tide turned. An overwhelming evidence came 500 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: forward that Sydney team members Dong Fang Xiao in likely 501 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: Young Young as well, had been too young to have 502 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: competed there under the rules at the time. The New 503 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: York Times conducted its own investigation, producing results that aligned 504 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: with the suspicions raised by stride Hacks and other bloggers, 505 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: further fuelling the controversy surrounding the Chinese gymnastics team. Chinese 506 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: officials vehemently defended their team, asserting that their athletes adhered 507 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: to Olympic age regulations in every Olympics Games. The eligibility 508 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: of the athletes has already been investigated and authorized by 509 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: the International Federation, and if they hadn't been cleared, they 510 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have anticipated in the games, Statedhogwai, Executive Vice president 511 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Beijing Olympic Committee. However, skepticism persisted and grew, 512 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: compounding the questions that had always lingered since two thousand 513 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: about the authenticity of the athlete documentation provided by China. 514 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: Dong fang Xiao, whose name I've burned into your mind 515 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: as being at the epicenter of this scandal, drew scrutiny 516 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight when she registered as a 517 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: technical official, not a competitor, at the Beijing Olympics, and 518 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: in an unexpected twist, listed her age. Her simple slip 519 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: up brought the whole house of cards tumbling down. Dong 520 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: fang Xiao's birthdate in the FIG database was recorded as 521 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: January twentieth, nineteen eighty three. However, the accreditation information she 522 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: provided for the Beijing Olympics listed her birthday as January 523 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen eighty six, implying she would have been 524 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: only four during the Sydney Games and thus ineligible to compete. 525 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: In an interview, a flustered, hounded Dong feng Jiao slipped 526 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: up again, openly stating that she was fourteen during the 527 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: two thousand Sydney Olympics. However, when pressed further, during the 528 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: FIG's investigation, Dong refused to provide clarity, leaving more questions 529 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: than answers. In yet a third puzzling twist, on Dong's 530 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: own personal blog, she indicated she was born in the 531 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: year of the Ox in the Chinese zodiac, which spanned 532 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: from February twentieth, nineteen eighty five to February eighth, nineteen 533 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: eighty six. This significantly boasted the claim that she was 534 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: only fourteen. In two thousand, FIG expressed dissatisfaction with the 535 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: explanations and evidence provided for Dong's age at the two 536 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: thousand Sydney Games, signaling a potential crack and the credibility 537 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: of the Chinese team's eligibility. And then the una expected 538 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: happened suddenly, swiftly, after so many years of rumors. FIG 539 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: nullified Dong feng Xiao's Sydney results, citing insufficient evidence to 540 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: prove she was actually sixteen that year. Consequently, the results 541 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: obtained by Dong fang Jiao the two thousand Sydney Olympic 542 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Games had been canceled. FIG said in a statement. The 543 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: FIG Executive Committee decision was forwarded to the IOC Executive 544 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: Board with the recommendation to withdraw the bronze medal obtained 545 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: by the Chinese team, including the results of Dong fang 546 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: Jiao in Sydney. The fallout was swift and severe. Dong 547 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: fang Zhao's nineteen ninety nine World Championships and two thousand 548 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Olympic results, as well as her other results in world 549 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: competitions in nineteen ninety nine and two thousand, were expunged 550 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: from the records. The IOC officially disqualified China, who had 551 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: originally won the bronze medal in the women's team event. 552 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: The IOC ordered China's National Olympic Committee to return the 553 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: team medals as soon as possible so they could be 554 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: reallocated to the US team. While many Chinese citizens were 555 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: relieved to put the issue to rest at last in 556 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: the spirit of fairness, some Chinese sports fans reacted with 557 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: anger to the news that gymnast Dong fang Jiao had 558 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: been stripped of her Olympic medal, but their ire was 559 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: directed at the Chinese government, not the International Olympic Committee. 560 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: Cry for Dong fang Xiao, victim of the sports system, 561 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: read the headline on a post by Li Jiayong, sports 562 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: columnist on the popular netes Web portal. Competing for her 563 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: local team in the Chinese National Games, she damaged her 564 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: knee permanently in order to win an Olympic medal for 565 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: the national team. Her age was hidden in't dare to 566 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: use the word falsify, which may cause trouble, Lee wrote, 567 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: And she has been humiliated. It's enough to make you cry. 568 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: Lie jiayog isn't wrong. Dong fang Xiao got ensnared in 569 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: a scandal that was almost certainly not of her making 570 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: orchestrated by Chinese officials with metal ambitions. I hope she's 571 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: found some peace and happiness in New Zealand at last. 572 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: As for the US. 573 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: Women's gymnastics team from two thousand, well, they were spread 574 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: out across America a decade after their. 575 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 2: Humiliating Sydney defeat. 576 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: When their mobile phones started pinging alerts, calls and emails 577 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: were coming in non stop congratulating them on the metal reversal. 578 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: They had won bronze after all. At least, Ray said, 579 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: I was in complete shock. We had gotten wind. 580 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 2: Of it a few months before that. 581 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: There was an investigation, right, I put it out of 582 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: my head when I heard. 583 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 2: The news, I couldn't believe it. I was so happy. 584 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: I never in a million years thought I'd be getting 585 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: a medal. In August twenty ten, nearly ten years after 586 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: the competition in Sydney, the now third place team from 587 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: the United States was awarded the bronze medal and a 588 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: ceremony held at the Excel Center in Hartford, Connecticut during 589 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: the twenty ten US National Championships. Dominic Dawes expressed the 590 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: collective sentiment of the US team justice prevailed. My teammates 591 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: are very well deserving of the bronze medal, and I'm 592 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: sure each and every one of us will be thrilled. 593 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: We will cherish it. That bronze medal, now rightfully in 594 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: the possession of the US women gymnasts, became a symbol 595 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: of rectified justice and a testament to the enduring spirit 596 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: of fair play in sports. This juicy scandal exposed not 597 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: only the complexities of age verification in gymnastics, but also 598 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: prompted a reevaluation. 599 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 2: Of historical results. 600 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: No one who fiddled with the rules to come out 601 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 1: on top, past, present, or future, is above justice because 602 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: cheating challenges the very essence of fair play and integrity 603 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: in Olympic competent TI. But has this age falsification scandal 604 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: and gymnastics been put to sleep for good? 605 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: I think not. 606 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: Scandal and human nature seemed to go hand in hand 607 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: after all, as far as China goes. In two thousand 608 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: and nine, news outlets reported that the Chinese Sports Ministry 609 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: and Guangdong Province had used X ray bone analysis to 610 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: determine the real ages of athletes competing in a variety 611 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: of sports in China. The procedure was performed on fifteen 612 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: thousand young Chinese athletes and revealed that twenty percent have 613 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: lied about their ages. Three thousand were older than they 614 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: claimed to be. That means that one fifth were outside 615 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 1: the eligible age range for the various sports, one out 616 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: of every five athletes. These findings indicate that age falsification 617 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: is a pervasive issue in China's state run sports system. 618 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: In China's success in sports is tied to funding, which 619 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: seems to have led to the winning at all host 620 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: mentality shared by early dominant state run systems like the 621 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and East Germany. But for the USA the 622 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: outlook is brighter now with the award of the bronze 623 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: medal back to the rightful winners. The curse of two 624 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: thousand in Sydney was broken, and the US women have 625 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: dominated gymnastics ever since, Beginning with Carly Patterson and her 626 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: electrifying performance in two thousand and four in Athens. The 627 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: US women have won the individual all around gold medal 628 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: in every Olympic Games. Nastie Lucan in two thousand and eight, 629 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: Gabby Douglas in twenty twelve, Simone Bios in twenty sixteen, 630 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: and Sonissa Lee in twenty twenty all won the gold 631 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: all around, and it looks as though Simone Biles isn't 632 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: finished as she prepares to compete with a whole generation 633 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: of fresh faces at the Olympic Games in Paris, France 634 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. May all the teams there put 635 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: forth gymnasts who meet the rules required, and may everyone 636 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: from coaches and athletes to team coordinators and administrators exemplify 637 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: all that is good and noble about the sport. Join 638 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: me your host Jay Harris for next week's episode of 639 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: Playing Dirty Sports Scandals. Playing Dirty Sports Scandals is a 640 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: production of Dan Patrick Productions, Never Ever Productions and Workhouse 641 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: Media from executive producers Dan Patrick Paul Anderson, Nick Panela, 642 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: Maya Glickman, and Jennifer Clary. Hosted by Jay Harris, Written 643 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: and produced by Jen Brown, Francie Haiks, Maya Glickman, and 644 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 1: Jennifer Clare,