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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie. To Jericho, I'm Danielle Henderson, and we're.

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Speaker 1: Back with you again to talk about films film z's.

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Speaker 1: So what's going on with you?

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Speaker 3: I think the only way to describe it is do

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Speaker 3: do host?

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Speaker 2: Do host?

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Speaker 4: Speech?

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Speaker 1: Okay, do host? Is that aphex twin who is singing

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Speaker 1: that God has a minute even gone by? And we're

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Speaker 1: already referencing Romstein. Also, I guess I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: was being said beyond due host. So you've educated me

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Speaker 1: on me.

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Speaker 3: Like if it's being German, you know where you don't

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Speaker 3: you know, look at lyrics, then you wouldn't like I've been,

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Speaker 3: you know, kind of making up the lyrics to ninety

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Speaker 3: nine left balloons for my entire life because.

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Speaker 4: I don't be sure.

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Speaker 2: But no, everything's all right.

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Speaker 3: I just I feel like I want to I want

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Speaker 3: to pose a question to you because I'm it's a concern,

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Speaker 3: but it's not like a deep concern of mine. But

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Speaker 3: it's just something I've been turning over in my head

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and I tried writing about it and

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Speaker 3: that didn't work. But I kind of feel like first

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Speaker 3: and foremost, I feel like we're in an age of

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Speaker 3: advice overload, Like everyone feels like they're qualified to give

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Speaker 3: advice to everyone now, yes, so you know, even just

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Speaker 3: scrolling through Instagram, it's like all these fucking inspirational posts

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Speaker 3: and cartoons, but LOSS like everyone feels like they're qualified

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Speaker 3: to give advice, whereas I have gone so hard the

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Speaker 3: other way and I'm like, no longer giving advice because

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm qualified to give advice to most people.

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Speaker 3: And I'm a little bit worried that, Like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't think it's making me insensitive, but

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Speaker 3: it's definitely removed some part of communication that I've had

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Speaker 3: with people. So just for example, like I feel like

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Speaker 3: people ask me, you know, how do I get into

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Speaker 3: TV writing? And I'm like, I do not know, because

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Speaker 3: my path in this life has been so all over

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Speaker 3: the place that unless you literally replicate my life beat

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Speaker 3: for beat, you're not going to get into TV writing

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Speaker 3: the way that I got into TV writing, right, So

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Speaker 3: I can't give you advice on that because I didn't

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Speaker 3: go through any of the traditional channels, and that's most

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Speaker 3: of my experience with most of my life. But I

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Speaker 3: also feel like no one's listening to my advice anyway.

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Speaker 3: So this is and maybe it's because we're in this

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Speaker 3: age of advice overload, but I've kind of started asking

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Speaker 3: friends and people like when they start asking me for

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Speaker 3: advice or talking about needing advice, I'll say, you know, well,

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Speaker 3: do you do you want my advice?

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Speaker 2: Do you just want me to listen?

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Speaker 3: Because nine times out of ten they just want you

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Speaker 3: to listen, And I'm happy to do that all day long,

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Speaker 3: Like that is valuable to me.

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Speaker 2: But I think that we were now like.

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Speaker 3: Just in a place where we're constantly seeking advice and

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Speaker 3: not relying on our own like wiles and skills and

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Speaker 3: skill set to make our own decisions anymore. So it's

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Speaker 3: just it's a worry of mine that like people are

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Speaker 3: constantly seeking advice instead of just sitting with themselves for

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Speaker 3: a minute and being like, what do I think about this?

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Speaker 2: What do I want to do?

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Speaker 3: But then also there's no way that any like four

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Speaker 3: people are qualified to give solid advice on this planet. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and like in a way that affects a large populate,

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Speaker 3: a large swath of the population at once, But yeah,

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Speaker 3: nobody listens to my advice anyway, So I'm like, why

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Speaker 3: am I giving you the same advice for the same

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Speaker 3: shit and then you're just gonna go out and do

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Speaker 3: the same thing and come back and be like, oh man,

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Speaker 3: if it was fucked up again, what do I do?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can't tell. I already told you

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Speaker 2: what to do and you didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's what I think. It's mostly because

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Speaker 1: I totally hear you on this. My thing is that

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Speaker 1: I feel like, and maybe this is how you feel too.

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Speaker 4: I waste a lot of energy.

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Speaker 1: If you want my actual advice and you want me

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Speaker 1: to help you, that's a lot of energy that I

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Speaker 1: take to do that, right, So I think that's where

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Speaker 1: it comes. The exhaustion comes in when people don't listen, yes,

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Speaker 1: because you're like, well, I'm fucking like putting all this

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Speaker 1: shit out there for you and then you blow it off.

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Speaker 1: And this happens every day or every time we talk.

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Speaker 1: So what am I doing?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: And that's just it, like, is the function of our

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Speaker 3: is my function in our relationship that I am the listener?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Because I will do that, but let's make that clear

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Speaker 3: that I am going to listen, and I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to give you advice, Like I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 3: you what to do about anything, because We've been down

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Speaker 3: this road so many times and it takes so much

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Speaker 1: Right well, And like I gotta say, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to relate this conversation to something that is in the

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Speaker 1: vander Pump rules universe.

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Speaker 2: How could we not?

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Speaker 4: How could we not?

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Speaker 1: It's just woven so tightly into the fabric of our lives.

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Speaker 1: But I was listening to, you know, so one of

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Speaker 1: these vander Pump podcasts, like with one of the cast

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Speaker 1: members or one of the ancillary characters that have podcasts whatever.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I was.

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Speaker 1: But it was basically a podcast where Kristin Dody was

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Speaker 1: on it and she was talking about, you know, the

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Speaker 1: recent scandal that's going on on vander Pump and she

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Speaker 1: was talking about this exact same scenario, which is that

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Speaker 1: and she was saying, like, I'm a person who's like

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Speaker 1: a doer, Like I'm a fixer. I will help you

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Speaker 1: fix your problems. I get in there, I fuck shit up,

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Speaker 1: like but sometimes people don't want that.

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Speaker 4: They just want to bounce drama off of me.

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Speaker 1: But my instinct is to help, right, right, And I

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Speaker 1: feel like just have knowing you for as long as

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Speaker 1: I have, I feel like you have that within you too,

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Speaker 1: Like you are a helper. You've always been so gracious

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Speaker 1: with like trying to help me with situations. And you

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Speaker 1: know you're you're the first person that's like, let's get

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Speaker 1: it done, Like no time to dilly dally, let's let's

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Speaker 1: change your life. Let's solve your problem. So I could

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Speaker 1: see you getting super fucking over it when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this, Like I'm just like I'm over it, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like you are, like, all right, I have

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Speaker 3: This is too totally totally because it's like and it's

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Speaker 3: and again it makes me feel bad because that is

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Speaker 3: my instinct. Like my first reaction to my feelings is like,

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Speaker 3: oh god, this is awful that I feel like I

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Speaker 3: don't want to give people advice anymore. But then when

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Speaker 3: I really sit and think about it, it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: that doesn't fundamentally change our relationship or like my relationship

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Speaker 3: with people, it's just different, like I'm approaching it differently.

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Speaker 3: And this is the other thing, This is not usually

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Speaker 3: a conversation you can have with people where like you

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Speaker 3: can't just say to them, I'm not going to give

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Speaker 2: That's not what.

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Speaker 3: But you can't so what I you know, because that's

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Speaker 3: a hard thing to hear when you when you feel

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Speaker 3: like you need advice. So I usually kind of just

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Speaker 3: say like I'm here to listen, or like, you know,

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Speaker 3: in a particular instance with a friend recently, and you know,

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Speaker 3: that felt great, but I had nothing to say in

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Speaker 3: terms of like, well you should do this, you should

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Speaker 2: So I think it's like you have to know what

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Speaker 3: To people for and you have to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: yourself before you start like leaking all over people. But

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Speaker 3: it also it's really comes up professionally a lot, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's bizarre to me that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: will ask It's like strangers will ask me for writing advice,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, in the past, I've said I've

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Speaker 3: given them advice which I thought was practical and applicable

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Speaker 3: say to people right off the bat, like, well what

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Speaker 3: do you have? People will come to me like can

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Speaker 3: you introduce me to your manager? And I'm like sure,

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Speaker 3: Like where do you have a script that I can

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Speaker 3: send to them? They're like no, And I'm like, well.

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Speaker 2: The first part of being a writer is you have to.

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Speaker 3: Fucking write something, Like, you have to put something down

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Speaker 2: They're not just going to take your word for it

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Speaker 3: And so I'm happy to introduce you know, friends, not

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Speaker 3: if they want to get into this business.

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Speaker 2: But I have to have something to show them.

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Speaker 3: I can't just be like, my friend really wants to

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Speaker 3: give her a chance, and then she's like doesn't write

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: As I think the onus is on the person needing

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Speaker 1: fine to be like, listen, I'm just this is just

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Speaker 1: an exploratory conversation. I haven't read anything yet, but I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about maybe moving into this business. Like what, like,

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Speaker 1: what would you say for somebody in my position for

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Speaker 4: Sometimes people don't give.

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Speaker 1: That, you know, and they kind of like are like

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Speaker 1: I want to be famous, like as they just like

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Speaker 1: and rich, like it's just some very broad like how

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Speaker 1: do I do that? And you're just like, all right,

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Speaker 1: do I need to actually fucking unpack this shit with you?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Come on?

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Speaker 3: And when it comes down to it, a lot of

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Speaker 3: it is just the unwillingness or the fear of doing

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Speaker 3: the work. And I'm like, well that's something that's a

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Speaker 3: different conversation. If you're like, I really want to do this,

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Speaker 3: or I don't know how to start, or I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to write, right, don't that's a totally different conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, just coming to me and saying I have

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Speaker 3: a good idea, will you pass it on to people

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Speaker 3: who could turn it into a TV show, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: That's not how any of this works.

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Speaker 3: And so it's just it's hard because I want to

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Speaker 1: And like that's I'm that way too. It's so it's terrible.

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Speaker 4: I love a story to tell.

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Speaker 3: Know, well, and that's but and again I completely agree,

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: And I don't really know how to explain that where.

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Speaker 2: Was just like I'm sad.

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Speaker 3: Like that is truly something I had to learn about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like that's the other thing, Like you still

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Speaker 2: So I think it's you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be insensitive, but I also don't

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Speaker 3: a bad I'm like, I'm not. I can't give you

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, it is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's totally fine. I think it's fine. Everybody's fine.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's reaction is fine. Like you're you're doing what you

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Speaker 4: But she was just like, that's a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why don't apply for that job,

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Speaker 1: We will return to this friendship in a second, But

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, And that is never more evident to me

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Speaker 3: Like I put my friends through some fucking shit, Like

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Speaker 2: And I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: But there are also times like when you're depressed and

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Speaker 2: I have. Definitely.

440
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Speaker 3: I think that's why I'm making this kind of pivot

441
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 3: for myself, because I know that I have done that

442
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: with people in the past, where I'm like, I don't understand,

443
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm sad and I'm depressed and I'm down and I'm

444
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: like suicidal, and I just you know, I've put people

445
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: through some shit and they've done their best to help me.

446
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 3: But then what I had to realize is, oh, this

447
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 3: is a me thing. This is between me and my brain,

448
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 3: and I have to get real help for this. And

449
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 3: I do that now, Like I've been in therapy for

450
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 3: fucking ages, but I'm able to. I'm able to have

451
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 3: learned some tools to help myself first and foremost not

452
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: get to that place, like not get so low, like

453
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: between medication and talk therapy, like it's really helpful to me.

454
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: But also when I do feel a little depressed or

455
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 3: I do feel a little down, I have a different

456
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 3: language to talk to people about now, not expecting advice,

457
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: just explaining this is how I'm feeling, you know.

458
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: Can you tell me a joke? Can you cheer me up?

459
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: Like I tell them what I need now if I

460
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: feel that yes, And so yeah, it's hard to have

461
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: been that person, but then now that I'm on the

462
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: other side of it, realizing like, oh god, that is

463
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: just it's a lot of growth and you just can't

464
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 3: expect and it's not fair for me to expect people

465
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 3: to grow at the same pace that I am growing.

466
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 3: So I just kind of need to back off on

467
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: the advice train. And that came up a lot for me.

468
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: What I think is the reason I'm really thinking about

469
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: it now is watching your.

470
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: Movie this week.

471
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: It came up a lot where I was like, this

472
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 3: mother fucker, Like these fucking people in this movie, like.

473
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: The advice I would give is not anything they want

474
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: to hear.

475
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 3: And one character in particular was like not wanting to

476
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: hear anything anyone had to.

477
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, yeah, well and like and to the point

478
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: of my film this week too, these are people who

479
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: I think give a lot of unsolicited advice, which I

480
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: feel is the opposite energy of what you're trying to

481
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: do right now. Yes, that is a whole other thing

482
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: where I'm like, can you imagine I hope I'm not

483
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: doing it. I hope I'm not that person, by the way,

484
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: because it's like that thing where you're like, oh, I

485
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: hate this thing that I see in myself every single

486
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: Oh no. But I'm like, imagine somebody who just gives

487
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: out so much unsolicited advice that people just need to

488
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: smack them across the face at a diner or whatever.

489
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: For real.

490
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: I mean it's like it's and it's like if somebody

491
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: comes to you and they're like, I'm pregnant, what should

492
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: I do? And you're like, well, first thing, what you

493
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: should do is get a fucking job. It's like people

494
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: who just give unsolicited advice about shit. That's like, I

495
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: didn't ask you about that with like, what you should

496
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: do first is get a fucking haircut because you look

497
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: like a ghoul. And you're like, I asked you about

498
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: my father is dying or something like that.

499
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. I would rather, ah God, I would rather get

500
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: no advice than too much advice.

501
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: Exactly, or I'm solicited yes, because I think in my personality,

502
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't need a mom.

503
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: Do not mom me right now. I'd rather you emotionally.

504
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: Starve me and meant to be an emotional feeder or whatever.

505
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: I can't like, oh my god, that movie, I swear

506
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: to god. I was like, I've seen my movie a

507
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: thousand times and I saw it again, going, oh my god,

508
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: this would I could not hang.

509
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 4: I could not.

510
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: I could not.

511
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: Well, let's get into it, because I love both of

512
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: our movies this week. They both have a little tinge

513
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 3: of this, yes, but I am definitely excited to talk

514
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: about yours for sure.

515
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: So our theme this week, I think is really interesting.

516
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: I feel like we wanted to talk about these movies

517
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: like separately, and then we were like, let's just put

518
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: them together and make a theme for him.

519
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: Is that what happened?

520
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

521
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: And it also came on the heels of like when

522
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: I was in Atlanta a few months ago and we

523
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: went and saw Banshees of Vana Sharon and that was

524
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: the first movie I saw in theaters post pandemic stuff.

525
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: And you know a big part of the discussion around

526
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: that movie is that Colin Ferrell and Brendan Gleeson are

527
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: teamed up again with Martin McDonough. So it just got

528
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: me thinking about like actors who work together a lot

529
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: and kind of seeing that over the trajectory of their

530
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: careers is interesting to me. Like to see how they

531
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: work together over time and the fact that they keep

532
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: coming back and wanting to work together.

533
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: Is interesting to me.

534
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: And I know that, you know, that was just my

535
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 3: first thought because that's the movie that we saw. There

536
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: are a lot of women who do I know, we'll

537
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: probably get emails because people just cannot help themselves. No,

538
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: we're not actively excluding women from this category. These just

539
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: happen to be the first two movies that came up

540
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: because of what we had just seen and what we

541
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: were discussing after we saw that one movie. But it

542
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: is it's interesting to me when any actor is able

543
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: to work with another actor again and again and again

544
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 3: and kind of seeing how their professional relationship develops over time.

545
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: This is interesting to me.

546
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a probably gonna be a recurring theme.

547
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: So don't get your underwear. I'll bunch up like we

548
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: we will do it again, and it's not gonna be

549
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: so straight male, I guess.

550
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 3: But we'll No, it's true, and I feel like I

551
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: give I've noticed in the past few episodes that I've

552
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: been giving disclaimers a lot, speaking of unnecessary advice, I mean,

553
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: giving these disclaimers.

554
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: It's not all of you.

555
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: It's just that we do get a lot of you know,

556
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 3: we do get people write in feeling, you know, kind

557
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: of not giving us the benefit of the doubt that

558
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: we understand what we're doing.

559
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, just give us the B of the D.

560
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Like, just cut us some slack, give us some

561
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: B of the D, C C of the S, see.

562
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 4: Us some s. I don't know.

563
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: Can we get a T shirt that says, give us

564
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: the B of the D.

565
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: Honestly, I totally know what you mean, Like, come on, like,

566
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: we haven't forgotten things just because we don't say them,

567
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? Like, I certainly haven't

568
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: forgotten that I have seen my movie about three hundred.

569
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: And four thousand times in the course of my life.

570
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh God, this is gonna be embarrassing, by the way,

571
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna take fully a real embarrassing turn.

572
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: Fully, your movie is We're gonna get into some deep

573
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: diving about personalities for both of us in your movie,

574
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: and I'm not looking forward to it.

575
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: But it also has to be said.

576
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 5: Yes, and let's talk talk about your movie because I

577
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: obviously had recently seen it again because I actually went

578
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 5: to Bruges for the first time.

579
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: So I'm so excited to be talking about this movie.

580
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: Well, my film was released in two thousand and eight.

581
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: The screenplay is by Martin McDonough. That it was directed

582
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: by Martin McDonough. And my movie is in Bruges.

583
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: For two weeks in Bruges, been a room like this,

584
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: would you no way? I I've also been to Bruges.

585
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: I went god like fifteen years ago and it was

586
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: and I took the train from Paris to Bruges to

587
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: Amsterdam and it was incredible. And Bruges if you're not

588
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: familiar with the movie, if you're not familiar with the place,

589
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: it's a it's a medieval city, like a preserved medieval

590
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: city in Belgium, and it's very quaint and beautiful and

591
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of canals and it's just like a

592
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: very touristy place. But it's also a place where people

593
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: live and work and you know, have full lives. So

594
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a kind of place where you

595
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: can that were like you can't really see what you're

596
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: seeing anywhere else. Yeah, And I know you loved it,

597
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: Like that was your favorite part of the trip yout

598
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: just took.

599
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was my favorite part of being in Europe

600
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: for the short period of time.

601
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 4: That I was there.

602
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: I honestly, because it's to me, like, I'm always fascinated

603
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: by seeing architecture and like landscape that I don't get

604
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: to see living in the South in the United States, right.

605
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 3: So you don't have any turrets and castles and sit

606
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: There are no cobblestone streets.

607
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there might be some in Charleston, but definitely

608
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: not around here. And you know, it's just a thing

609
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, the kind of gothicness of

610
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: the churches, and you know, I mean that's a huge

611
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: part of the comedy of the film is talking about

612
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.

613
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: But to me, I thought it was so charming.

614
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: I loved that it.

615
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Was like it was like a little village but also

616
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: felt kind of modern, like it had kind of this

617
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to like maybe a Scandinavian design vibe

618
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: to it, but also being old and medieval. I don't

619
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: know how if that makes any sense at all. It

620
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: was like and ancient at the same time.

621
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: It completely makes sense to me, And it's because it

622
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: feels like it's out of step with time. But then

623
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: you're still like you're watching people walk around these towers

624
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: with like iPhones, So it's a very it's a strange

625
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: place to put yourself in as a tourist. But it's

626
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: it all makes sense when you're there, like there's a

627
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: town market square and like a you know, it's just

628
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful, beautiful place.

629
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

630
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: And I did actually walk past this like real estate company,

631
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, how much is it.

632
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: To a one bedroom here?

633
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh? And how much is it?

634
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: It was pretty affordable. I think I saw one bedroom

635
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: for like twelve hundred euro.

636
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: What I know. I was like, holy fucking shit.

637
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're like a telecommuting kind of employee in

638
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: this day and age, I don't understand why you're not

639
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: moving to places like just like go to a place

640
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: where it's super fucking cheap and interesting and weird and

641
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: you can like travel to the rest of Europe or

642
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: the rest of that continent or the rest of that country.

643
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Like if you're able to, there are affordable, weird places

644
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: out there that you could just have an experience in.

645
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: I guess see you living in Bruges.

646
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you for saying that.

647
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: I get cause I kind of thought that too.

648
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I could live here and the

649
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: only problem is the cold, right, Like you know how

650
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I feel about cold weather? Now now that I'm like

651
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: a full fucking elderly woman, I hate cold weather. I'm

652
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: in Boca Ratone now in a mineral bath in my

653
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: old lady bathing suit. I'm just like, I don't know

654
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: what happened to me. I lost all my edge.

655
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you won't even come visit me in the winter,

656
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you've been at Florida five times last

657
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: month alone, and you're like, yeah, because it's fucking warm,

658
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: Like I ain't coming.

659
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: To see you until June through September only.

660
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because I grew up in the South

661
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: and it's very hot down here and I always hated that,

662
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: always hated it. I mean shit, third times now where

663
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: it just is two damn hot and I just get like, oh,

664
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm just very quick to anger. But now I'm like,

665
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I think about how I feel in cold weather versus

666
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: how I feel in extremely hot weather, and I'm like,

667
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I hate.

668
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: Being cold more now exactly. That's a turning point for me.

669
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: I guess I don't know.

670
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: Well, I can see you living in Bruges part time,

671
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: and we both visited Bruges in the winter, which is

672
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: I think a whole different experience, Like I was there

673
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: around Christmas time and the lights were up and it

674
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: was just like this totally different experience. But I also

675
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: was looking most forward to, like I had a hotel room.

676
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: My ex husband and I had a hotel room on

677
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: overlooking a canal, and I'm like, this is going to

678
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: be so beautiful and lovely. And it was frozen fucking solid. Whoops,

679
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: frozen solid, And I'm like, this is where I'm a

680
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: dumb traveler because I'm like, it's gonna be soundranny. It's like, no,

681
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: it's not like a rushing river. It's a fucking canal

682
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: and it freezes and it did not even occur to me.

683
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, this is fine, I guess. And

684
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: then I got divorced because of that, and I'm kidding.

685
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: Then you ended it right there, ended it immediately.

686
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a beautiful place. And this movie is

687
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: so centered around Bruges. It's like such a crucial part

688
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: of you know, the geography of the film is such

689
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: a crucial part of the film. And I'm going to

690
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: give you my one sentence synopsis and then we're going

691
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: to go into a little bit of the movie and

692
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: a lot of the relationship between these characters and these actors.

693
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: My one sentence synopsis is after a botched hit that

694
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: leaves an innocent child dead, two hitmen are sent.

695
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: To Bruges to hide out perfect. So that's what's up.

696
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: And the two hitmen and the people that are the

697
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: stars of this film, and the daring duos that I

698
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: wanted just to discuss are Colin Farrell playing Ray and

699
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Brendan Gleeson playing Ken.

700
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Oh.

701
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: Also, I'm going to take a second here, and when

702
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: we talked about Frank, I was pronouncing Domina Lee Sin's

703
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: name wrong, and someone in the comments very kindly broke

704
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: down how in Iren in Ireland you can pronounce his

705
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: name with like an esh or a W, so his

706
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: name is actually Downel Gleason. And I'm like, even hotter, Great, Yeah,

707
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: I think that's.

708
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: My issue, right, I'm the one that said it.

709
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Now I said it too.

710
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: I've been Donald Gleason for years, so I just wanted

711
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: to point out that, like now that we're talking about

712
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: his dad, that he named his child down old Leason

713
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: and Donald down down down, Okay, but got it. I've

714
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: made that correction, corrected, corrected it. I mean, if we

715
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: had one of us ends up marrying him. We're gonna

716
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: have to learn how to pronounce his name anyway, but

717
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, great, you can call your I love nothing

718
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: more than And there's so many videos and youtubes and

719
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: it's so funny. I love nothing more than seeing a

720
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: mixture of vowels and consonants in Ireland and it's nothing

721
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: like you think it's gonna be pronounced.

722
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: Amazing.

723
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it more than anything where it's like

724
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: I t r u v L no, like that's Diana.

725
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: Oh man. I wonder if he goes by dom. You

726
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: think he uses dom.

727
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: He probably goes by dom or down down.

728
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: Damn it.

729
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: I did it again, I miss I have to make

730
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: another collection.

731
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: Dow Bo Dom Di Dao dom ed Dao Da da Dao.

732
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: That's a very musical name.

733
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, so his his dad is the ship basically,

734
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: and that's what we're gonna talk a lot about that.

735
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: But what I love about this movie is that it's

736
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: so The movie itself is a very very dark comedy,

737
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: and it's kind of an interesting look at at why

738
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: and how people justify murder or their own bad actions.

739
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: There's kind of an unlikely love story in here, and

740
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 3: as you understand more about the crime that brought these

741
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: two men to Brews. You also understand how Ken came

742
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 3: to work for Harry. Their boss is played by Ray Fines,

743
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: who is incredible in this movie. Yeah, I mean his

744
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: bullshit comments about JK Rolling aside, he's incredible.

745
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: In this movie. God. So yeah.

746
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: So like they're you know, kind of you understand more

747
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: about how they came to be there and then what

748
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: you're really doing. And that I love about the script,

749
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: Like the screenplay is incredible, and it's like you're kind

750
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: of looking at this flower unfolding of the emotional lives

751
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: of these characters. And these are people who are paired

752
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: together for work, like they're they're just coworkers. And this

753
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: was Ray's first job and he fucked up royally, So

754
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: you're looking at this kind of paternalistic attitude coming from

755
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: Ken towards the very young Ray, and it really just

756
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 3: sets up an interesting dynamic for them that I think

757
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: was also sort of replicated and Bans he's been a

758
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: Sharon to a certain point, Like they're kind of this

759
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: is you know, that was the second time that they've

760
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: played this unlikely pairing where one of the friends is

761
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: more kind of mature and advanced than the other one,

762
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: and is trying to teach them a harsh lesson, or

763
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: to teach them a harder lesson. One thing that I

764
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: love about Ray is that he's he's super ignorant, Like

765
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: he's naive and ignorant, and he's kind of a prick.

766
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: He uses completely even at the time two thousand and eight,

767
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: like outdated references and calls people the wrong things, and

768
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: it's just like not concerned with being a sensitive member

769
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: of society. But he's also deeply troubled and he's unable

770
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 3: to forgive himself for this error, you know, for this mistake.

771
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: And then on the flip side, you have Ken, who's

772
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: this very stoic and you know, kind of pleasant guy,

773
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: and he sees his work as a means to an end,

774
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 3: but you can tell that he really believes in loyalty

775
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: and honor and doing the right thing, and he kind

776
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: of lives his life on those terms. So he's paired

777
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: with this complete maniac like young, emotionally unstable dude, and

778
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: he's the exact opposite. And there's nothing that brings out

779
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: that out more than when they arrive in Bruges and

780
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: again One of the through lines of comedy in this

781
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: movie is that Ray fucking hates it.

782
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: He's like in Bruges, He's just constantly like Bruges.

783
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: Really, of all the fucking places in the world that

784
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: Harry could have sent us, he sent us here and

785
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: there again there is a reason, and you come to

786
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: find out the reason he sent them specifically to that place.

787
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: And it's one of the things that I just absolutely

788
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: love about this screenplay is that it's a very layered

789
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: story and each character kind of gets a full exploration

790
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: of their emotional life, but everything ties together. There's not

791
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: one ounce of fat in this movie. Like every character,

792
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: everything that happens, it all ties together. And it's kind

793
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: of from Nissen of the Coen Brothers to me in

794
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: that way where they make these big swings for comedy

795
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: or big swings for what looks like it's going to

796
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: be effective just in one scene, and then you see

797
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: at the end of the movie how it plays into

798
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: this much larger story.

799
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: I fucking love that, Yes, fucking love it.

800
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: So again, there's nothing more more indicative of this unlikely pairing,

801
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: this unlikely relationship than when they arrive in Bruges and

802
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: Ken is like totally into it. He's like a Taurus.

803
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: He's like, we're gonna fucking wait for this phone call

804
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: from Harry. He's gonna tell us what to do next.

805
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: It might be a job, it might be we're moving

806
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: somewhere else, because Harry cannot forgive the fact that this

807
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: child has been killed. And Ken is into it. He's like,

808
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: this is great. He's like going through the guidebook and

809
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: give it. And meanwhile, Ray's you know, the character of

810
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: Ray is just kind of like huddled in a fucking

811
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: boat on a canal with his coat up and his

812
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: shoulders hunched and his arms crossed, and he's like, I

813
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: fucking hate every bit of this. And I was reading

814
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: the review on Rogeriebert dot com and when the film

815
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: came out, he said, and I quote. When Ken wants

816
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: to climb an old tower for the view, Ray argues,

817
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: why do I have to climb up there to see

818
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: down here? I'm already down here. He is likewise unimpressed

819
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: by glorious paintings, macob sculptures and picturesque canals, but is

820
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: as thrilled as a kid when he comes across a

821
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: film being shot.

822
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: End quote. So you have this like very.

823
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: Interesting mix of childishness and and anger in Ray that

824
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: you don't see in Ken. So I think that instantly

825
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: sets them up to have an interesting relationship. And in

826
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: real life, Brendan Gleeson is sixty seven and Colin Farrell

827
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: is forty six right now, so there's like a twenty

828
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: year age difference in their relationship.

829
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: And it's just so interesting.

830
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: To watch these two play off of each other again

831
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: in its unlikely way where it makes sense that they'd

832
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: be in each other's lives, but you can also see

833
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: where so much of the friction would come from the

834
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: fact that they have to be at each other's lives.

835
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

836
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: I this is like the thing that I think is

837
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: so interesting about the idea that they have worked together

838
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: on two films, because I feel like, I don't know

839
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: if this is just my interpretation or maybe you will

840
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: feel this as well, but like I feels like they're characters.

841
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: Their characters in Bruges are the same that they are

842
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: in Band. She's of an a Sharon in that Colin

843
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Ferrell's character is like the more kind of gleefully unaware,

844
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: numb nuts ripe, you know, and then like Brendan Gleason's

845
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: just like the absolute opposite.

846
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: He's like deeply pondering existence. He's definitely got a case

847
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 5: the sads.

848
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: You don't really know why, And to me, that's why,

849
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: Like I feel like maybe this is like what we

850
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: first talked about at the beginning of this episode, just

851
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: this like deeply relatable dynamic, because I think I've been

852
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: one half of this dynamic, both sides of it at

853
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: a certain point in my life, like where I was

854
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: the idiot, you know, or I was the philosophical dark.

855
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: One or whatever you know.

856
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, even though this movie like totally is

857
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: different from Banshoes of an Ashrum, those characters seem the

858
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: same to me.

859
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 4: I don't know if you.

860
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: Think that, No, I completely agree, because I think that

861
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: at the core what I love about both films is

862
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: that we're watching we're exploring not just unlikely friendships, but

863
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: unfulfilling friendships. So like what happens when you're in an

864
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: unfulfilling relationship and it's just one of you who feels

865
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: like this is doomed or this is not gonna work,

866
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: or I hate this, And that definitely comes through in Bruges,

867
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: where Ken is like I just work with this guy.

868
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: This is our first job, and now I have to

869
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: fucking hide out and I have to go to Bruges

870
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: and I have to like drag him through this process

871
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: of not being captured and not being you know, put

872
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 3: in jail. Like he's got to kind of like teach

873
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: him the ropes on the fly, and he's sick of it,

874
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: Like he's he hates it. He'll do it because of

875
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: his honor and loyalty, but he hates it.

876
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Right, It's like having to be in charge of like

877
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: a real wild card and you're.

878
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 4: Just like, okay, like how's this going to go?

879
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: Exactly?

880
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: And I love I love that because I think that's

881
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: a that's a cornerstone of adult life that is rarely

882
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: looked at, Like, like you said, like we just talked

883
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: about in the beginning of the episode, where you know,

884
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 3: not a lot of art explores the unfulfilling side of relationship,

885
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: since usually the opposite where it's like let's watch people

886
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: fall in love or become closer, and like, I'm more

887
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: interested in seeing the fractures, you know. I like that

888
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: in this film we get to see the very fractured

889
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: nature of their relationship, and I think it's why they're

890
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: so good together. I think that, like their physicality is

891
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: so different that it makes it easy to get into

892
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: that role with them. But then the characters that they're

893
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: playing are so wildly different, and I think it's it's

894
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: just brilliant that has led to, you know, really a

895
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: wealth of seeing an evolving friendship on screen that I

896
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: think is happening in real life. Like I feel like

897
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: when you know, you see interviews with them or hear

898
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: them talking about each other, it's like they're very committed

899
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: to each other as actors. And Colin Farrell has a

900
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 3: great reverence for Brendan Gleeson. Brendan Gleeson has a great

901
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: reverence for Colin Farrell, Like they both do different things

902
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: and they're different types of actors, but it just works.

903
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: It just fucking works. So I think that the casting

904
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: of this film was crucial to the success of this film.

905
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

906
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: You know, I think the reason I picked this film

907
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: because there are again lots of duos and we will

908
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: do this again, I'm sure, but I really appreciate that

909
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: we've recently got to see them reconnect and explore this

910
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: particular on screen relationship again.

911
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you if what you thought

912
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: about because you know, Martin McDonough the director and writer

913
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: of this film, you know, obviously like kind of more

914
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: prolific as a playwright than a director. He only directed

915
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: like four films so far, right, But I also, I

916
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: don't know what you think about this.

917
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: But I I always can.

918
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Tell sort of maybe when a movie is either based

919
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: off of a play or it was written by a playwright.

920
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: M h.

921
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's like part of like

922
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: this movie for me too, is that it feels like.

923
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: A play almost, you know, yes, because there are stark

924
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: lines where you can kind of see the act ending,

925
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: even though it flows very nicely, but you can see

926
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 3: the decision that was made to like this is where

927
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about this, this is where we're

928
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: going to do this, and then this is how we're

929
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: going to tie it all together, because a lot of

930
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: plays do that, Like a lot of playwrights are very

931
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: adept at that at the storytelling aspect of it and

932
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: kind of connecting connecting a story in a linear way

933
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: maybe can't be told in a linear way, And so

934
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: I agree, I think that it's it's very clear to

935
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: me that he's a playwright just because of how he

936
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: treats the development of the characters.

937
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they're more it's kind of more of like

938
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: a character study and you and then because of that,

939
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: you can really get into like the philosophical musings of characters.

940
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Almost.

941
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this scene where Brendan Gleeson, you know, Ken, leaves

942
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: the room one morning to go buy a gun, and

943
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: when Ray wakes up, he turns his back is towards

944
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: the camera, and then he turns towards the camera and

945
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: he just starts crying like quietly, where there's just like

946
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: single tears coming and there's no dialogue, but you're like, fuck,

947
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: like I get this guy, like I understand what he's

948
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: going through, and it's just it's really masterful. And it's

949
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: those kinds like the ability to leave some subtlety I

950
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: think is also a strong playwright move, which I always appreciate.

951
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that this movie is a gem.

952
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's actually a perfect example of

953
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: like a sleeper movie, which is like, you know, a

954
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: movie that maybe kind of came when it was released

955
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: was kind of quiet, but then people have subsequently figured

956
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: out that it's brilliant That's kind of how I feel

957
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: about this movie, because I feel like I don't know

958
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: if I saw this when.

959
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: It came out.

960
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember when I first saw this movie, but

961
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: I just remember so many people I know talked about it,

962
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: like the right people in my life talked about it, right, funny,

963
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: cool people were like, man in Brush is so great.

964
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: You got to see this movie.

965
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I remember when that

966
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: movie came out, and then yeah, and then I finally

967
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: saw it, was like, oh, yeah, this movie is really good.

968
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it when it came out, And I

969
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: think what was cool about watching it when it came

970
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: out is that. And this lends itself to this kind

971
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: of daring duo theme is that I don't know if

972
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: you guys remember, but Colin Pharah was fucking wild.

973
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna I wanted to ask you about

974
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 4: this too.

975
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: He was.

976
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge part of why I didn't

977
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: see it.

978
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was fucking a He was a wild man.

979
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: And he has talked about it himself and interviews recently,

980
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: and like through all of his Oscar Buss he's like, yeah,

981
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: I was definitely in it, like I was in that

982
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: life of like tabloid shit and sex tapes and like

983
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: just doing wild shit. And so for him to do

984
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: this kind of film at that point in his life

985
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: was incredibly evocative. And I think that pairing him, like

986
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: giving him a character that had some of the you

987
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: know again that that naivete and that youthful kind of

988
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: mistake ridden life. To give that to the character, knowing

989
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: that the actor has very recently experienced that himself, and

990
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: then pairing him with again this very paternalistic, you know,

991
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: kind of more solid, stable act and character was incredible.

992
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: But it was wild to see Colin Ferrell in this

993
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: role when it came out, because that is not what

994
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: anyone publicly thought of him or his ability as an

995
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: actor or a person.

996
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so like this is I just went to

997
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: his Wikipedia page under the personal life. There are subheaders

998
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: relationships and children, drug addiction, sex tape, stalker, Jesus Christ.

999
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: And that's just the tip of the fucking iceberg.

1000
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: Holy fucking shit.

1001
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: Imagine what he's experienced that we don't know about.

1002
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 4: Good Lord, and he's not I mean, is he he's

1003
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: like our age. He is like our age.

1004
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's forty six. The man has lived. The man

1005
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: has lived.

1006
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: And then again like just like like a month ago,

1007
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: we saw him at the Oscars with his thirteen year

1008
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: old like he's just the dad now.

1009
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: But well, and like I think this is absolute, this

1010
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: is the type of chicks we are, let's get. But

1011
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: like we like him in the old period. That is

1012
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: how I feel about calling Farewell to a team, because

1013
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: I remember when he was dating fucking Britney Spears and

1014
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I was like, I don't like

1015
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: this guy. He's like, I know, he's wearing his like

1016
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: ten pack of like white ribbed tank tops and.

1017
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 4: He's does he have a chain wallet?

1018
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: I remember there being big pants or maybe a chain

1019
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: wallet or something, and he was out partying with like

1020
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: the hero world yeah, And I was like, I do

1021
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: not fuck with this guy. What is what is this

1022
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: guy doing? But then I really do think.

1023
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: It was around the time of Vin Bruges. I feel

1024
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: like that's when.

1025
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: Maybe he like pivoted to being more of a because

1026
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: he was in a lot of like blockbustery type of things.

1027
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for example, a lot of time and phone booth

1028
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: and like he did big old movies.

1029
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then all of a sudden he's in like

1030
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: what is that director? Your go lanthemis, oh, whatever, he's

1031
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: in like those types of movies, and he's in these

1032
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: like art films and You're like, well, what the hell

1033
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: happened here? Maybe I'm gonna start paying attention to this guy.

1034
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Then he shows up in ban She's in a share

1035
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: and he's like an older man, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1036
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: I fucked with this, like this, this version two point

1037
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: zero of like an older elder statesman Colin Ferrell.

1038
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: I think I like this absolutely.

1039
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean he's been on my radar since he was

1040
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: in a TV show called Bally Kiss Angel, which used

1041
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: to be a show that I absolutely fucked with, like

1042
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: a PBS style show about a fucking priest, and I'm like.

1043
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in it.

1044
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: He was in that show as a much younger, like nineteen,

1045
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, who's this guy.

1046
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: He's interesting.

1047
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: But then he started doing all that fuck shit and

1048
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, ye, he ain't for me.

1049
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: He ain't for me. His movies ain't for me. He

1050
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: ain't for me.

1051
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: Watching him level up to like killing of a Sacred Deer,

1052
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 3: the lobster in Brudge like it is changed my watching

1053
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: him change the trajectory of his own life has changed

1054
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: my appreciation of him as someone who is willing to

1055
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: learn and grow and become or use his skills as

1056
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: an actor in a way that is very, very enticing.

1057
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: I love watching him act now, Like you can see,

1058
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: it's an appreciation I did not have for him when

1059
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 3: he was younger.

1060
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. And I don't know.

1061
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: I just think it's obviously like something that you and

1062
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: I share were like, uh, let's skip to the end,

1063
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Like let's like twenties and thirties, Like, well, let's you

1064
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: get your kicks, But what are you doing now that

1065
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: you're like a middle aged manly? You know?

1066
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I look, you know, Brettan Gleeson is my boy.

1067
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: I would rip through. I would rip through the Gleason

1068
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: family like a fucking bullet train.

1069
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Just just know this about me. They're all hot and

1070
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: Brendan at least it with his big ears and this

1071
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 3: cute little face. Like I would run through that family

1072
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: like a fucking bullet train.

1073
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: Look, I I hear you. That's how I feel about

1074
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 4: the Scars Guards, Like.

1075
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, but the Scars Guards. It starts with Stellin,

1076
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: like you keep your fucking Bills and your Alex and

1077
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: like it starts with Stellin and then we work our

1078
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: way back.

1079
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 4: Listen, well this you know how we feel about these

1080
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: acting dynasties, these actors.

1081
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: But I love it.

1082
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: I love What I also love is that, like you know, yes,

1083
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: we got to see a tremendous amount of growth with

1084
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: Colin Ferrell's acting over the years. That again, for me,

1085
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: started with this movie in my own life. But I

1086
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: think Brendan Gleeson has been put on the map as

1087
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: an actor who can do so much more than he

1088
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: was given credit for in his early career. And it's

1089
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: lovely and wonderful to see him take risks, take big

1090
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: swings and kind of be willing to again like maybe

1091
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: through this relationship with Martin McDonough and Colin Farrell or

1092
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: Colin Ferrell.

1093
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: But he's kind of going.

1094
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: He constantly goes back to the well and comes up

1095
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: with something that is unexpected and I just really appreciate that.

1096
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, I'm so glad you picked this movie. Me too.

1097
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: I love it, and I look your movie it's this

1098
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: might be a three hour podcast.

1099
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: Might be, might be I want to share a little

1100
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: secret with our listeners. Because I feel like this has

1101
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: only happened one other time in the history of our podcast,

1102
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: and it happened very early on, which is that I

1103
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: came to the episode this week thinking that my movie

1104
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: was in Bruges, Yes, that I was going to be

1105
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: presenting in Bruges. So we both prepared for the.

1106
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: Same film, essentially.

1107
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 3: And that happened early on with step Up and Fame. Yes,

1108
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, girl, why would I pick Step Up?

1109
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: I've never seen it and this is my first time

1110
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: watching it.

1111
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: Why would I pick a Channing Tatum dance film when

1112
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: you're here right, I don't know why I thought I

1113
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: had Fame.

1114
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't, I just and I went

1115
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: hard the research. You know the research holes, you know

1116
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: how they are.

1117
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: But much like that episode, you had seen Step Up

1118
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: so much that you could riff easily, And I think

1119
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: that is what's gonna happen with this film too.

1120
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: Like we got this oh, and I have seen Swingers

1121
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 4: an embarrassing amount of times, and we're gonna get into

1122
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: it so I don't even have to look at the freakin' anything. Like,

1123
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know what's going on, so it'll be riff.

1124
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have there's a lot of meat on

1125
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: this bone, so don't worry about it. But my movie

1126
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: for the theme daring duos. This's movie from nineteen ninety six.

1127
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: It was written by Jon Favreau, directed by Doug Lyman,

1128
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: and it's called Swingers.

1129
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't want you to be the guy in the

1130
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: PG thirteen movie. Everyone's really hoping to make some up.

1131
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't want you to be like the guy in

1132
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: the Wait it all moved nineteen ninety six. Jesus fucking hell.

1133
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: What were you doing in ninety six?

1134
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 2: Do you remember? I was a goddamn motherfucking mess.

1135
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: So in nineteen ninety six, I had just left my

1136
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: first year of college in Boston. I left college and

1137
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: moved to San Francisco area. So I was working as

1138
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 3: a barista and waking up super early and like opening

1139
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: a coffee shop in a mall. It was a Gloria

1140
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: Jeans and then I was partying in San Francisco at night.

1141
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: I had my own apartment.

1142
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm fully, fully independent at you know, when this movie

1143
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: came out, I was eighteen, nineteen years old, and it

1144
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: was a bleak It was fun, but it was a

1145
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 3: bleak time.

1146
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 2: In terms of the men in my life.

1147
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: Yes, like here this this whole resurgence of swing dancing,

1148
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 3: and it hurt my heart, like I could not hang.

1149
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: I am six feet tall.

1150
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: When I go into a thrift store, I'm not getting

1151
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: a cute vintage dress.

1152
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm getting like a man's jacket. So like, the whole

1153
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: look wasn't for me. The music wasn't for me.

1154
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: When I hear fucking Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, I have

1155
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: a similar reaction that I do to Sublime. When I

1156
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: hear go Daddy, Oh, I'm like, man, turn this fucking off.

1157
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: Where I flipped this car with my bare hands.

1158
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: More like go daddy, no, go daddy.

1159
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: No, give him the B and the D. Go daddy no.

1160
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: I will not be a d But just that that

1161
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: that kind of returned to like the Sinatra loving like

1162
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: I just it didn't hit me, It didn't sit with me.

1163
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 3: I was like a heavy metal punk girl who was

1164
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: fully independent and paying bills and rent, and I'm like,

1165
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: I don't have time to learn how to fucking swing dance.

1166
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, Unfortunately, in ninety six, I was trying to dress

1167
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: like a film noir villain, and I would drive downtown

1168
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: with my friends to this club called the Masquerade, which

1169
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was essentially like a multi level music

1170
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: venue that was entirely painted black, and we would spend

1171
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: our evenings listening to fucking Benny Goodman in these stupid

1172
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: fucking vitage close. Yes I was all in no you.

1173
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Yes I was embarrassed. Is how to admit this? And

1174
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: it is truly because of this movie. Oh okay, this

1175
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: movie did some damage.

1176
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 5: It has ruined lives for years. Cultural damage, I cultural, psychic, cultural, mental, physical,

1177
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: I look physical damage meaning I tried to swing.

1178
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: Dance and I was terrible.

1179
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 5: Ah.

1180
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: There was this one guy that I knew, that actually

1181
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: knew how to swing dance like.

1182
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: His name was Peter. And I realized something about partner dancing,

1183
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: which is that I think that I'm too I'm too

1184
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: much in control to want to be like the passive partner,

1185
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: absolutely like I don't want to be flung around. I

1186
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: want to I want to get my bearings. I want

1187
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: to know what the next move is, okay, And that

1188
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: was a problem for me with swing dancing because it's like,

1189
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, one person aka the person that knows how

1190
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: to fucking swing dance is usually like whipping you around,

1191
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: and I was always like, I can't just be all

1192
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: loosey goosey here and can't be terrible.

1193
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 4: It was terrible.

1194
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: Same. I tried it one time.

1195
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 3: I was drinking at a bar and a guy wanted

1196
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: to dance, and I was like, all right, and again,

1197
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: as you know, I'm not a answer. I don't have

1198
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: that kind of joy in my fucking heart to just

1199
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: bust a move. Yeah, but I was like drinking and

1200
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: I was like all right, and he tried to do

1201
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: that thing where they spin you out and bring you

1202
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: back in, and he spun me out and I stopped.

1203
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: I just stood still because I was like, what the

1204
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? There was no whip around.

1205
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: Come back to me. I'm like, I'm done, Like you've

1206
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: just thrown me into the fucking dance floor.

1207
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm done. I stopped right where I stood.

1208
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1209
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean this is why now I understand

1210
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: why people take ballroom dancing lessons to like save marriages

1211
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: and shit like this is my this is why Angela

1212
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: chases parents from my so called life. Took ballroom dancing

1213
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, trusting people and and and

1214
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: and learning how to play different roles like where you

1215
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: have to be the more passive one or the more

1216
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: active one.

1217
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. I'm bad at it.

1218
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: I just I just want to like, like, I don't

1219
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: need I don't want you to dip me because if

1220
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: I fall on the ground, which will happen and has happened,

1221
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna be pissed at you for the rest

1222
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: of the time. So and then look, this movie, like

1223
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: you said, has ruined people's lives.

1224
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: And I had the poster. I liked the movie when

1225
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: it came out.

1226
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: I didn't like the culture that it influenced, but I

1227
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: had that yellow poster with Vince Vaughn and the big

1228
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: fucking Martini glass. Everyone, Yes, couldn't get away from that poster,

1229
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: and the late nineties could not.

1230
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 4: Yes.

1231
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely like this this movie has persisted. I I

1232
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: don't even know if I can really accurately describe how

1233
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: important it was for me personally, but just like my

1234
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: friend group and my generation, almost in a weird way

1235
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: on this podcast, like I'm gonna need like a like

1236
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: a four hour mega episode because it was like it

1237
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: is like that thing where it was like for me,

1238
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: I was really into the nineties sort of independent cinema world,

1239
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: at this time in ninety six, it was in full swing,

1240
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: no pun intended, and I had not seen a movie like.

1241
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: This in terms of like male friendship before.

1242
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: Now this is like something that has now turned into

1243
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: something different, right because then you have after this the

1244
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: Judd Apatow films, and then you have some some form

1245
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: of toxic masculinity that like spun out of this. I mean,

1246
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: it's like I wanted to I want to say this too.

1247
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: There is a oral history of Swiggers Bitch that is

1248
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: on that is on grant Land and it is fascinating.

1249
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: You will have to read it.

1250
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: I will not have to read it. I will, I will,

1251
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: listeners can read it. I will take your crib notes well.

1252
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: And it's like, it's interesting to me because when you

1253
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: do kind of do this like deep research on the

1254
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: swinger's phenomenon, there's a lot of.

1255
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: Men who are who were very guided by or love this.

1256
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: And it's fine because I actually think it's a very

1257
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: good movie.

1258
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: I enjoy it.

1259
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: There's a reason why I've seen it three hundred and

1260
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 1: four thousand.

1261
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 4: Times in my life.

1262
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: But it is interesting to I would just love to

1263
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: hear it from a different person's perspective. Because it's almost like,

1264
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, what, what was this movie to anybody.

1265
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: Else but guys? I mean, did anybody even give a

1266
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 4: shit like or what?

1267
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: And for me, I was so obsessed with the kind

1268
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: of musical references, but also the friendship part of it,

1269
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: which you know, I felt that the time, I had

1270
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: not seen guys act like that, like right, you know,

1271
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know guys that were checking in on their

1272
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: friends after a bad night, yeah, bringing to Orange Juice

1273
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: and shit, I just did not know those type of

1274
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: people at that time.

1275
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: Right, exactly exactly, And it definitely it influenced. It was

1276
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: important for me, and I think it influenced how I

1277
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: kind of gave a little bit more heft and importance

1278
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: to the importance of those relationships for guys after seeing

1279
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: this movie, because again in my life, it's like, you know,

1280
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: guys get together and talk about women like their pieces

1281
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: of shit and they're grows or whatever, like that was

1282
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 3: kind of what we were coming off of also in

1283
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: the eighties, like the real like macho fucking wrestling dude,

1284
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: like you know, talking about women like they are fucking assholes.

1285
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: But this was kind of like a different It was

1286
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 3: a turning point culturally, but it was a turning point

1287
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: in my own life too for the same reason, like

1288
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: kind of watching men who were kind of around our

1289
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: age being a little bit more emotionally forthcoming than I'd

1290
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: ever seen before.

1291
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think for me, you know, I was,

1292
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: I was young, and I just I think I really

1293
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: wanted the support of adult friendships, like I felt like

1294
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: at the time. I mean I was hanging out with

1295
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: like I was still in high school and so I

1296
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: was hanging out with people who you know, it just

1297
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: we weren't at that part of our lives yet, I

1298
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: think to where we were needing to support each other

1299
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: in that way. Because sensibly this movie too, which I

1300
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: think is actually it works on a lot of different

1301
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: levels because it's not just about male friendship, but it's

1302
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: also about Hollywood and making it in the business, which

1303
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: it's its own thing. Yes, and I think it's one

1304
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: of the best movies about LA for several different reasons.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that has been said before, Like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that love the whole working

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Speaker 1: actor stories and the disappointments of not getting jobs, which

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Speaker 1: you know is a very inherent to LA thing. And

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Speaker 1: I lived there for a brief amount of time. And

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Speaker 1: so the funny part was is that I was fascinated

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Speaker 1: by that part before I loved in LA. And then

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Speaker 1: when I got to LA, there was so many moments

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Speaker 1: where I was reminded of that of this movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in a weird way, like where you're like, oh, fuck,

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Speaker 1: Like this movie has sort of shaped my opinion or

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Speaker 1: my you know, experience of living in Los.

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Speaker 3: Angeles absolutely, and just like seeing the bars that they

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Speaker 3: hung out in, and you know, the they filmed heavily,

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Speaker 3: I think in Los Felice, and like, you know, they

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Speaker 3: filmed in areas that I would go through village. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh my god, this is like that,

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Speaker 3: Like that movie is what came to me first.

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Speaker 2: When I thought of that kind of shit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's the thing is that.

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Speaker 1: So this this movie is ostensibly about, you know, a

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Speaker 1: group of kind of struggling actors living in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of headed up by the Jon Favreau character,

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Speaker 1: whose name is Mike or Mikey. And you know, they

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Speaker 1: a lot of them have come from the East Coast

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Speaker 1: right in the story, because you know, the Jon Favreau

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Speaker 1: wrote this script in like two weeks or something and

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Speaker 1: he and it was a lot of it is mirrored

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Speaker 1: in his own life, meeting that he did move from

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Speaker 1: Chicago to la He was in a relationship that ended,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, he was essentially friends with these guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he knew Vince Vaughan because they were on

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Speaker 1: that movie Rudy together in the early nineties, and he

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Speaker 1: knew Ron Livingston from Io and so he was kind

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Speaker 1: of like he knew the people in the film. And

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Speaker 1: it was a real scrappy, like you know production. You know,

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Speaker 1: they were just trying to cobble together money to make it.

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Speaker 1: They shot the film on like the short ends of

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Speaker 1: the film stock, you know, short ends where it's like

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Speaker 1: the clips from you know, they just took like sixty

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Speaker 1: second film strips and made a movie out of it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Doug Lyman, who went on to be

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Speaker 1: like a very famous director, he was like the roommate

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Speaker 1: of somebody, you know, some one of the characters in

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Speaker 1: the film.

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Speaker 4: That's how he even got started directing the film.

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Speaker 1: But it was a real like you know, DIY Labor

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Speaker 1: of Love, which was again a huge thing in the nineties, totally,

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Speaker 1: but the whole story is centered around this Mikey character

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Speaker 1: who's just moved to la and he's trying to be

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Speaker 1: a stand up you know, he's kind.

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Speaker 4: Of like hosting an open mic. It's not going very well.

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Speaker 1: And then his other friends, who are you know, these

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Speaker 1: other characters in the film, including Trent, who is played

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Speaker 1: by Vince Vaughan, they're not doing well either, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the running gag is that the Ron Livingston character was

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Speaker 1: almost about to be Goofy and didn't and didn't become Goofy.

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Speaker 1: And it's like he acts as if it's this fucking like,

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Speaker 1: you know, who gives a fuck it was Goofy, But

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Speaker 1: then he really wants it, and a certain way he

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Speaker 1: GE's sad that he didn't get to play Goofy.

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Speaker 3: He's like, well, who the fuck am I if I can't

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Speaker 3: even get book Goofy? Like I can't even get that

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Speaker 3: job that I thought was bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So it was like like all of this is

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Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, this was the first time

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Speaker 1: that I think I had certainly seen that kind of

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Speaker 1: that kind of light of these guys who are in

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Speaker 1: this friend group, and they are all floundering. They're worried

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Speaker 1: that they're not going to be able to make it

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Speaker 1: in La and then I think is a really real feeling.

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Speaker 3: Of absolutely that look yeah, and that travels through generationally,

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Speaker 3: like where you know, am I going to make it?

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Speaker 2: Am I going to do it? Like it?

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Speaker 3: You know, moving somewhere to try to start your life.

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Speaker 3: That's a general theme that I think harries through in

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Speaker 3: you know, to this day and always will. And it's

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Speaker 3: a social anxiety that I think wasn't really explored prior today.

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Speaker 3: Like that's what was interesting to me is that like

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Speaker 3: the social anxiety of it extends beyond just will I

1385
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Speaker 3: get a job, and it goes into you know, like

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Speaker 3: will I get a partner? Will I have fun? Will

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Speaker 3: my friends understand me? Like that was something I hadn't

1388
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: seen really explored prior, and it was really interesting to

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Speaker 3: see that in this film, right because like so.

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Speaker 1: This film essentially, you know, it's about this group of guys.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of centered.

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Speaker 1: Around Mike as he is just trying to get over

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Speaker 1: this relationship. And he was in this relationship with this woman,

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Speaker 1: Michelle for like six years, and you know they have

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Speaker 1: broken up because he moved to La, she's potentially seeing

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Speaker 1: someone else, and he just cannot get out of it,

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Speaker 1: like in that way where he is he's trying to

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Speaker 1: come to you for life advice and you're like, you're

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Speaker 1: playing the same song.

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Speaker 4: That's just the thing is that he can't move past it.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, his friends, especially Trent, especially the Vince Vaughn character,

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: are very much encouraging him to get over it, and

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Speaker 1: he's just not ready. He's not ready, and that is

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Speaker 1: the central component to the film.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I didn't read the oral history, but am

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Speaker 3: I correct in that? Because I did listen to an

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 3: interview with Jon Favreau recently.

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Speaker 2: I think is it correct that Vince Vaughan.

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Speaker 3: Ad libbed a lot of his lines like they kind

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Speaker 3: of played off of each other a lot?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I could. I could almost one hundred percent guarantee it.

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Speaker 4: If not, but I.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this film feels very like there are moments of

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Speaker 1: where I'm thinking, Oh, this is just them improving as.

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Speaker 2: Friends, right.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's also interesting to me about this movie

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 3: is it's a feeling. You get that feeling when you

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Speaker 3: watch it for the first time or for the three

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: hundred thousandth time, that this is what makes this pairing

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Speaker 3: interesting is that they can they can do that together.

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Speaker 3: They can riff off of each other and create something

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Speaker 3: funny and memorable and good and that you know, Favreau

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Speaker 3: kind of lets Vince Vaughan be the comedy guy to

1424
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Speaker 3: his straight man. Yes, but it's it really works. Like

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Speaker 3: I like seeing these two together for that reason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have such a language and I think

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01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: also created a language like they Let's just say this,

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: So this movie launched so many different careers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's when America fell in love

1431
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 4: with Vince Juan.

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: We're like when we all decided as American citizens, we

1433
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: love a extremely tall, sarcastic guy and we want him

1434
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: in everything, including a Psycho remake, Like we can't get

1435
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: enough of him. And he like, to his credit, he

1436
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: was hunky as shit in this movie. Like he was

1437
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: hell yeah, the hair was as high as heaven and

1438
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: he was he was definitely he was wearing rings like

1439
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: he was the whole rings thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, ah, But.

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Speaker 1: Part of what is really great about this movie, at

1442
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: least for me in ninety six, was that they they

1443
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: were part of this scene in La at the time,

1444
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: which was very obviously heavily influenced by swing music. It

1445
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: was like swing music resurgence, and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: places that they were going to, like the Dresden and

1447
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Speaker 1: like Swingers, the actual well, they didn't go to the

1448
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Speaker 1: actual Swingers coffee shop, I don't think.

1449
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Speaker 4: I think they went to the Cafe one to One.

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: I think that was like the end of the film

1451
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: was at Cafe one to one, Right, But the movie

1452
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: is named after Swingers. The diner that's off Beverly, which

1453
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: you and I have have been to several times.

1454
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Speaker 3: Several times it was either that or El Coyoto. Those

1455
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: were where we did our business meetings.

1456
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 4: Yes, a business meetings, that's right.

1457
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Speaker 1: So yeah, So there was like this whole swing resurgence

1458
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: happening in LA and these guys were part of it.

1459
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: They were going to all of these like places. They

1460
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Speaker 1: were seeing Big Bad Voodoo Daddy and Marty and Elane

1461
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: you know at the Dressden, and so it was like

1462
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: very much like they were like inside the actual music

1463
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: culture of LA at the time, which is very interesting

1464
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: and to me was mind blowing. Like I was like,

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01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: this is a mind blowing film for that reason. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: here are these like adults who are like living in

1467
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Speaker 1: Hollywood and they're like going out to see bands, and

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: there's like this whole vernacular to the city that I

1469
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: thought was fascinating as a person who was in high

1470
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: school in Georgia, right, you know, like I was like, wores.

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Speaker 1: These are the most glamorous guys ever.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1473
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Speaker 3: Of course, And that's that is Again, something that's very

1474
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 3: funny about this movie is that you're watching these guys

1475
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: try to affect this posture of success when they have none. Yes,

1476
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 3: so they are also very into the night life and

1477
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 3: the going out and the ordering drinks and being together

1478
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 3: because that's what they have.

1479
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's all they have is their coolness to

1480
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: be able to get into a club from the rest,

1481
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: from the back of the house. Like they're like, that

1482
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: is like their currency, totally, Like when you're a piece

1483
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: of shit, you're like, can I get into a club

1484
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: and know the dishwashers? I made it right. But that's

1485
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: the thing is that this movie was launched like it launched.

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Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn, Jon Favreau, Doug Lyman, Ron Livingston, Heather Graham.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think I remember Heather Graham before Swingers.

1488
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: Excuse me, License to Drive? Oh I'm sorry, excuse me.

1489
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. How could I forget? How could I forget?

1490
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: But you know what adult as an adult, but there

1491
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: was like this whole The thing about Jon Favreau and

1492
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn was that this was kind of like again,

1493
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: they created this like cultural touchstone. They created a way

1494
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: of being as male friends are. You know, there's the

1495
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: scenes of them playing that hockey game in the.

1496
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 4: In their apartment, you know.

1497
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: Which are the funniest scenes for me is when they're

1498
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: like talking shit at each other with their friend Sue,

1499
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: who you know, is one of those friends in the

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Speaker 1: friend group.

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Speaker 4: That's like a wild card. Talk about wild card, right.

1502
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 4: Patrick van Horne was excellent in this role.

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01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I was like, what a cool guy? Like

1504
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: I thought he was hot. I was like, what a

1505
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: cool guy? And all they do is is basically order

1506
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: food and talk shit at each other while they're playing

1507
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: you know whatever it was. I don't know if that

1508
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: was like a Sega game. I can't even remember the

1509
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: the video game system at the time in ninety six,

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: but that's.

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Speaker 2: That's what felt.

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Speaker 3: What I loved about watching those scenes is that's what

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 3: I was used to with male friendships because I watched

1514
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: my brother do it with his friends where they would

1515
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: sit around play video games and bullshit and like my

1516
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: own friends. So like that felt it felt nice to

1517
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: see that even though they're posturing so much when they

1518
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: go out, that they have a real like connection in

1519
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 3: a way that most dudes do or did at the time.

1520
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, but it was like so they kind of,

1521
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: like Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughan like kind of created

1522
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: this little universe for all all of us now and

1523
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: like they've been in I think they were in like

1524
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: six feature films together.

1525
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be more, don't hold me to that.

1526
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: I believe it's six, But there's this one of the

1527
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: films is actually a movie that I probably like more

1528
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: than I probably should Four Christmases. Have ever seen Four

1529
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: Christmases with Reese winthererspoon. So Jon Favreau's character in that

1530
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 1: film is so fucking great. He plays this like total scary,

1531
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: like mma fighter guy with like bad tattoos. And he's

1532
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: married to Katie Mixon, who if you don't know her

1533
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: my name, she was famously in eastboundon Down, one of

1534
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: the funniest TV shows to ever sis and she's one

1535
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: of my favorite Southern character actors ever. And there's this

1536
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,480
Speaker 1: scene in Four Christmases where they're playing the board game Taboo,

1537
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, the one with the buzzer, and it is

1538
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,919
Speaker 1: so fucking funny, Like I think the is on YouTube,

1539
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: but honestly, like that whole sequence cracks me up.

1540
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 4: But then it's like, so they've.

1541
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: Carried you know, their friendship and their you know, partnership

1542
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: into multiple movies.

1543
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 4: And kind of were like.

1544
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: They were kind of like not one without the other

1545
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: for a long time too in Hollywood. And then you know,

1546
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like, but Swingers is their

1547
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: origin story. I feel like you watch this film and

1548
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: you feel like it's so much of their actual friendship

1549
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: or their actual people, and like it's to me.

1550
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: I loved it for that.

1551
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: I want to say this though, because I was doing

1552
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: some light research after I found out that I wasn't

1553
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: doing in Brews this week. If you go to this

1554
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: Swingers Wikipedia page. I love this. By the way, there's

1555
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: like an entire section where it talks about like the

1556
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: awards the movie has won. It was honored at this

1557
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: awards ceremony in two thousand and seven called Spike TV

1558
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: Guy's Choice Awards.

1559
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, this is when you talk about feminism. This

1560
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 3: is a dark period for feminism. This is what you mean.

1561
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 4: Thank you. And then I had to look up what

1562
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: the fuck is the Guy's Choice Awards?

1563
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: Every award show ever?

1564
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: And it went it was basically I was gonna say,

1565
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: isn't that every award show? So the Guy's Choice Awards

1566
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: was a Spike TV award show that ran from two

1567
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: thousand and seven to twenty sixteen.

1568
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 4: Jesus again, dark period, and I just can't believe that

1569
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 4: this happened.

1570
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at these categories, the categories for the

1571
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: Guys Choice Awards, So Swearers actually won the Guy Movie

1572
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. It's like rice, right, But then there's

1573
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: like biggest ass kicker, Balls is banned.

1574
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 4: Like what is that like?

1575
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: And Disturbed is one of so it's like, uh, I

1576
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: think it was a category that was only for.

1577
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 4: New metal, perhaps god.

1578
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: Luckiest bastard, funniest motherfucker, most unstoppable jock.

1579
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: What.

1580
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:25,520
Speaker 4: Sickest rhymes, hottest Jessica, Oh my god, what the fuck? Yeah?

1581
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 4: And it's like it just continues on from there.

1582
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 3: This is but again, this is what you were saying

1583
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 3: earlier about how when this movie has discussed you almost

1584
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 3: only ever hear about it from the male perspective. Yeah,

1585
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 3: and men's approach to this film was very different from mine,

1586
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: I think in retrospect and also just looking at how

1587
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 3: it's developed over time, where dudes took away a lot

1588
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: of the Trent stuff, you know, the kind of machismo

1589
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 3: and the you're very boisterous and you're very confident, Like

1590
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 3: they took a away a lot of that as being

1591
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: something to aspire to. Yes, and so this movie became

1592
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 3: a mark of coolness for people who were very not

1593
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 3: cool because they wanted to be that guy. And I

1594
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 3: don't think it works for a lot of them. Deep

1595
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: wallet chains aside, it just did not work for most

1596
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 3: of them. And it's interesting to see what men latched

1597
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 3: onto in this film as something that was positive or

1598
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 3: aspirational to them.

1599
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: Well, And like it's so puzzling to me that it

1600
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: did get to that fever pitch because it is so

1601
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: to me, so clearly about male insecurity. Like I feel

1602
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: like the whole Tread character, his coolness and his bravado,

1603
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: gets completely dismantled in the last like two minutes of

1604
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: the film, Like yep, and that's the message really.

1605
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 4: Is that it's it's almost like, yes, you have this.

1606
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: Like very male, very like you know, brazen, like macho

1607
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: noss going on, but it's ultimately about you know, men

1608
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: who are not successful and who are trying to take

1609
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: care of each other, and they're and even the coolest

1610
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: one of them fails at the end, Like even the

1611
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: one that seems the most confident is a failure too.

1612
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 4: So it's like, I don't know, it's so funny that.

1613
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: People can remove all of that right context and just

1614
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: be like, I gotta be this guy money baby woo hoo,

1615
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:28,879
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't.

1616
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 3: Know, Like it's shocking to think that that's what people

1617
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: a lot of got. A lot of people stepped away

1618
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 3: from this movie with but I agree with you, or

1619
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 3: it's more about mail insecurity and the reason I like

1620
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: seeing I like this is kind of the origin story

1621
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 3: of how we all came to see and know Vince

1622
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 3: Vaughn and John Favreau is kind of a team, an

1623
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 3: acting team that was paired together a lot. But it

1624
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 3: makes sense to me in the same way it makes

1625
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 3: sense in In Bruges with you know, Colin Farrell and

1626
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: Brendan Gleeson where it's a very opposite attracted, odd couplely

1627
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: kind of pairing. So Mikey is super insecure and can't

1628
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: stop talking about this sex girlfriend and has no idea

1629
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 3: where his career is going and is like depressed and said,

1630
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 3: and Trent is like, I am not focusing on anything

1631
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: but my own awesomeness. I have a certain set of

1632
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: skills and I will deploy them at will, even when

1633
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 3: they're not warranted. And again, like to watch to watch

1634
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: at the end of the film and see that, like

1635
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 3: you said, even he is affected by insecurity and by

1636
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 3: immaturity in a lot of ways. I just I like

1637
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: this pairing for that reason. I think that they they

1638
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 3: play off of each other, and that opposites attract way

1639
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: very very well, particularly Mikey. Like you can see that

1640
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 3: when when he's around Trent and he's trying to be

1641
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 3: like Trent, it doesn't work for him, And you can

1642
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 3: see that he feels it in his heart, like he

1643
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 3: has the fucking nerve to call women skanks while he's

1644
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: standing in that rank ass apartment of his Yes, and

1645
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, oh, that is like a Trent. You

1646
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 3: can see that is like a Trent influential kind of

1647
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: moment where he's like trying to be like that guy.

1648
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, women are skanks, but he doesn't feel

1649
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 3: it in his heart, which has shone almost immediately in

1650
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: the next scene where he's like sitting on the floor

1651
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 3: and sad and like depressed and freaking out. So I

1652
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: kind of I love this pairing for that reason is

1653
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 3: that it's it's yes, like Spike TV might have walked

1654
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 3: away with it thinking of it as that, you know,

1655
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 3: the guy's hall of fame because they say so money

1656
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 3: and baby this, baby that. But for a lot of us,

1657
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, we're watching somebody fall the fuck apart

1658
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 3: because they can't live up to that bravado. They can't

1659
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 3: live up to the stand the male standard that has

1660
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: been set for them.

1661
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, I think that Mikey in a way.

1662
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: Is smart enough of a character right to understand the

1663
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: difference between like the usefulness of the of the performance

1664
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: like Trent's bravata, you know, like the whole like analogy

1665
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 1: of like bears and rabbits and that kind of stuff,

1666
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: like the hunting of hunting as dating type of shit, Right, I.

1667
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 4: Think that he distills parts of it to build confidence.

1668
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: But he's not like Lockstock and Barrel in the misogyny

1669
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: of it in a weird way, do you know what

1670
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, even at the end where he meets

1671
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: the girl finally after all of his struggling, I don't

1672
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: think he is going, yeah, baby, I'm a fucking stud,

1673
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: like I'm the bear, you know, necessarily. I mean, I

1674
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: know that there is a moment where he does look

1675
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: across the bar and sees the rabbit that they've been

1676
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: alluding to, But I don't think he's at that point.

1677
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 4: He doesn't become Trent at the end of the movie.

1678
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: He retains his own sensitivities and his own thoughtfulness and

1679
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: his own insecurity is still like he's still is a

1680
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: guy who has the insecurities. He's just found out that

1681
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: like other people have insecurities too, and it's okay, right,

1682
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's not like, well, now

1683
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: I've been transformed by this magical, confident leprechaun that has

1684
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: come into my life and you know, so that to

1685
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: me is what I think is makes this an interesting

1686
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: movie in a way, And it is shocking when you're like,

1687
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: I think it's more you know that everybody loves the

1688
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: the comedy of it, like right, the bravado, the clothes,

1689
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,520
Speaker 1: the music, the bromance.

1690
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 4: But it's maybe a little deeper.

1691
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's me just wanting it

1692
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 1: to be deeper or that I you know that it's deeper,

1693
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: but I don't know.

1694
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 4: I think it might be deeper.

1695
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: So I think it's a little bit deeper than that.

1696
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 3: And I think it's never more evident than in that

1697
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: scene where when Mikey does me Lorraine at the bar

1698
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 3: and she wants to dance and he's kind of reluctant,

1699
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 3: but then he can actually dance, he can actually swing dance,

1700
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,919
Speaker 3: and and Sue are sitting in a booth like weeping

1701
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 3: with joy about the fact that he did it his

1702
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 3: own way, and they're like, I can't believe he can dance,

1703
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 3: And they're like literally weeping on each other's shoulders that

1704
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 3: Mikey was able to break through and talk to this

1705
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 3: woman and have a good time.

1706
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: And they're like they're in his corner.

1707
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 3: Literally, yeah, but they're having they're going through the emotional

1708
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 3: roller coaster of like, he did it, like you said,

1709
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 3: on his own terms. He's still insecure, he's still who

1710
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 3: he is, but he surprises them with another layer of

1711
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, how to get women.

1712
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: That scene is so goddamn funny.

1713
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 4: He's so good when they when they cut to him

1714
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 4: and he's crog and he's just like, God bless him,

1715
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 4: God bless Mikey, Like, I laugh so hard when I

1716
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,480
Speaker 4: see that. Still to this day.

1717
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:50,879
Speaker 2: They're a great pairing.

1718
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: I absolutely think this movie is a little bit deeper

1719
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 3: than it has been culturally. Has shaken out to me,

1720
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 3: but it also it's it's a great way to see

1721
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 3: the origin story of Vince vonn and Jon Favreau being

1722
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 3: great together in a lot of movies.

1723
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally agree.

1724
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: And I'm really glad we did this theme this week

1725
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I know that we had separately wanted

1726
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 1: to talk.

1727
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 4: About in Brusi and Swingers, but.

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Speaker 1: I just liked that we're able to bring them together

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Speaker 1: in one episode because it meant that I got to

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Speaker 1: watch a good double feature as we do.

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Speaker 2: It was a great double feach. I loved it. I

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01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: loved it.

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Speaker 1: If we would like to email us, we are at

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Speaker 1: I Saw What You Did Pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: And we also have a social media you can find

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01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,480
Speaker 3: us on at I Saw Pod on Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And if you've got a handcord for some merch, please

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01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,600
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Speaker 1: the exactly Right shop.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: All the new bonus episodes will be dropping on your

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Speaker 3: main feed the third Thursday of every month, and we

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Speaker 3: are slowly rolling out the old bonus episodes as well.

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Speaker 2: You do not have to subscribe or pay for them anymore.

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Speaker 2: There will a speech on your main feed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I completely forgot that I talked about seven

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01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: Deadly Monkeys and then I saw the hashtag on our

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Speaker 1: on our Instagram and I was like, holy fucking shit,

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Speaker 1: talk about high school. I might have been in Seven

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Speaker 1: Deadly Monkeys while going to Swing night.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, I think those two things overlapped.

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01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 3: So all I need is you then going to that

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Speaker 3: cafe with your plume feather pen writing in that journal

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Speaker 3: to complete the trifecta of who Millie was in high school.

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Speaker 1: I was such an insufferable fucking idiot in high school. Like,

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Speaker 1: the more and more we do this podcast, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm rolling out all this information and I'm like, I

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01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: was a fucking monster. Oh why was I into swing music?

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Speaker 1: And seven? The movie seven?

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Speaker 3: God because y fucking prefrontal cortex hadn't developed, like they

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,959
Speaker 3: were all fucking monsters.

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Speaker 2: Your frontal lobe is still growing and changing.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, Well, do you want to tell them the

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Speaker 1: movies for next week?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I genuinely can't wait to tell them the movies

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Speaker 2: for next week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna be watching for your homework. Who's Afraid

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Speaker 3: of Virginia Wolf from nineteen sixty six and scenes from

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Speaker 3: a Marriage from nineteen seventy four, not the HBO updated

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01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: version scenes from a Marriage from nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and watch the I think it's like it

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Speaker 1: was also a Swedish TV show. I think it's just

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Speaker 1: watch the movie version. I think that they're similar or

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Speaker 1: the same. But just watch the movie version. You can

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Speaker 1: find it, you can put add it, Okay, Danielle Well

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Speaker 1: as always a fucking pleasure doing this podcast with you. You

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Speaker 1: are so money baby, and you don't even know it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just like felt my all my

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Speaker 3: organs just tense up and shrigger. A wallet chain grew

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Speaker 3: out of my hip.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien,

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Speaker 3: mixed by Edson Choi. Our theme song is by Tom

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Speaker 3: bry Fogel, artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 3: Georgia Hartstart Caring, Til Gareff, and Daniel Kramer. You can

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Speaker 3: follow us on Instagram and Twitter at I Saw pod,

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