WEBVTT - The Journey To Building In Crypto 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.680 So the big question is this, how do investors like 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.800 us get access to the ideas, information, and most importantly, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.880 the right people that give us the tools and information 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.000 we need to make conformed and educated decisions to have success. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.360 That is the question, and this podcast will give us 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.520 the answers. This is Mark Moss, your host. Let's get 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.639 this started. Welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. Today, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.760 I am sitting down with Ni. He is a host 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.960 of involvement podcast um Titan Ventures, and he has made 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.720 a transformation from just being a content poster on Twitter 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.839 all the way to building legitimate businesses in the crypto 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.879 blockchain space. And he's done it through a very unique 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.760 path that he's done on his own, traveling the world 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.640 on his own time to meet people, learn things. Uh 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.480 an amazing transformation. Has so much insight because of his 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.639 travels and everyone he's talking to, great conversations that's gone. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.680 Just jump right into it, all right, everyone, Welcome to 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.600 another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. I am here 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.520 with Ni today. He's been in the space for a 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.040 while doing some big things and we've we've been able 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:12.560 to keep up a little bit here and there, and 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.120 I really wanted to dig in. He's got a really 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.399 good story to tell, So I'm really excited to have 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.360 this conversation with him today. So let's just jump into 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.400 it and I I welcome to the show. Hey bro, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.039 glad to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, awesome. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.959 So um, you know we've been we've we've kind of 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.600 been keeping up in touch a little bit here at 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.920 different events and and talking here and there. I've seen 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.120 you doing some big things in the space. But for 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.000 everyone who doesn't know who you are, why don't you 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.640 give us a little background of how you got here 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.040 and what you're doing right now? Yeah? Definitely. So um. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.800 In terms of my journey in crypto, I started kind 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.200 of just as a trader, trading all coins and and 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.440 and trying to make trying to make money. And once 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.240 I got a little bit deeper into really, once I 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.720 made it like a decent amount of money, I was 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.919 able to kind of relax a little bit and and 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.280 uh and look at look at my life and say, Okay, really, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.680 what do I want to do next? And when I 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.280 looked at what I want to do next, I said, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.920 you know what, I've been studying all these all coins. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.959 I've been studying this this is this technology, just from 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.320 the trading perspective, just from the fundamental perspective, Like why 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.440 don't I dive in and actually learn what the ship 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.600 is about? Like why this is important? You know, there's 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.920 a bunch of people that are passionate about it. I know, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.960 like a decent amount about it, like much more than 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.440 your average person, but not to the degree where I 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.240 could sit down and educate people on it. UM. So 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.360 I spent a lot of time traveling. I spent a 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.359 lot of time learning as much as possible UM, talking 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.640 to as many intelligent people as I could, started a 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.040 podcast to learn as much as I can, Still learning 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.120 a lot every single day. But I found myself just 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.960 in love with the the concept of what this whole 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.200 industry is about UM, and specifically what bitcoin is about 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:56.880 UM and the mission that that it's trying to accomplish UM. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.600 And Yeah, that's led me to where I am the day, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.480 which is running UH. I run a company called Titan Ventures. UH. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.320 Titan Ventures has three separate wings. We have a media 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:11.080 wing which pretty much runs UH my my podcast. It 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.920 owns a couple other media sources. And then I have 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.639 Tightened Labs, which is the second wing of Titan Ventures, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.000 which is a startup incubator, which is incubating a few 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.840 of our own personal ideas right at the moment. And 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.959 then we have tightened charity where we've worked with companies 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.560 like Finance Charity and things like that to try and 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.320 help and give back to the people that deserve it 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.440 and need it. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Now I'm 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.560 just curious. You said, Uh, it's really cool to see 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.440 how you came in as a as a trader. I'm 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.640 just here to make money, and there's so many entrances 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.040 into the space. Mine mind really came a little bit 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.480 more ideology from the ideology bind it. But you came 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.680 in from a trader. But then you got sucked in 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.360 UM and you learned what this big concept is about. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.760 So what is that big concept that that you fell 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:02.800 in love with? Well, for me, it's always been in about, uh, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.680 what can I do to impact like the people around 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.520 me and to impact the situations that are going on 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.920 in the world. Like even before Crypto UM, I've been 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.920 very very passionate about the concept that we we really 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.920 need to evolve the way that we're thinking. We really 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.760 need to evolve the way that we're living. In order 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.640 to continue living on this planet for the next fifty 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.080 d two hundred years, things need to change, things need 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.760 to be different. Uh. And so once it once like 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:35.560 I finally got the scope of what was happening, uh, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.159 in terms of the fact that our entire monitor, the 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.279 monetary system is manipulated and controlled, and specifically manipulated and 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:51.159 controlled to gain more uh financial benefit for the people 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.279 who already have a lot of money which is really 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.680 used to fund war and other negative things in in 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.760 our world that that destroy our world. Once I kind 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.160 of got that and I saw how bitcoin could potentially 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.839 disrupt that. That's really what like the click moment for me. Mark, Yeah, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.960 that's awesome. So we're all we're all here together fighting 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.760 the good fight, right, but I love it. It's a 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.640 peaceful it's a peaceful fight. We're opting out of the system. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.839 So the reason why I really was interested to talk 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.320 to you is because you came in kind of like, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.840 you know, just just to make some money. You kind 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.839 of started I think maybe started just posting on Twitter 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.600 kind of your thoughts, what you're seeing, whatever. And now 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.400 you've had this path to now being a builder in 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.520 the space. Right, So, um, I love that. You know, 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.200 we talked to a lot of different people in the space, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.120 investors or or other people, but um, I want to 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.040 talk to you just because it looks like, I mean, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.000 you're obviously proving that there are lots of opportunities for 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.000 people to get involved in this space. Yeah, I mean 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.120 I think that's the biggest misconception, to be honest with you, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.160 is there. M hmm. This is the opportunity I saw. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.040 I saw that as a trader there was at this 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.360 amount of opportunity. You can make good money if you're 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.479 really really good at what you do. It's a volatile 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.640 market and and if you're great at it, fantastic you 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.080 can make a ton of money. Um. But if we're 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.360 talking about like, like money is obviously a good thing. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.080 I think it makes it's it's good in the regards 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.200 that it makes you, like comfortable, but beyond comfortability, it 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.640 doesn't provide other things like happiness, like legacy, like uh, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:29.360 improving the general scope of your life beyond comfortability. So 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.000 for me personally, like, I'm really really interested in in legacy, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.400 in building something that impacts the people around me and 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.760 impacts uh, the goal or mission of what we're doing 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.480 in in whatever things that we're doing so specifically right 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.320 now in the bitcoin cryptococurrency space. So as things evolved 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.919 for me personally, I saw that there's a bigger opportunity 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.320 to build things, build companies, building ideas, build concepts in 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.240 the space. Then there is to make money trading, uh, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.440 and you can also make money by buil holding those 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.240 concepts and building those ideas because if we are all 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.240 correct here and this is the next multi trillion dollar industry, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.920 then you could be building assets and companies right now 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.640 that you might be able to build for ten dollars, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.960 they could eventually be evaluated at over a million, ten million, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.280 hundred million UM. So that's that's really where what my 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.400 focus was. That's what I really realized early on UM 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.640 and when people just like, like like you said, like 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.360 I just joined because people started to like my tweets, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.440 you know, and I just kept going because people are like, oh, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.840 this is cool. And I was really just my thoughts, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.520 my opinions, and my jokes. And it wasn't until like 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.120 a little bit later, like probably three or four or 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.760 five months after I started sharing my stuff that I 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.160 was like, oh, ship, this can actually be built into 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.600 something way bigger. Uh, and I just took the leap 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.600 and started to do it. Yeah. So I know for 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.680 the last couple of years you have been like on 0:07:55.720 --> 0:08:00.200 the move. Even today, you're travel everywhere. So I I 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.520 and I get asked all the time, how could somebody 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.239 get involved in the space. There's a lot of people 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.280 like you and I who see what's going on when 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.360 to get involved. And I'm like, well, you could build 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.320 websites or do marketing or whatever, right, all these things. Um, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.960 so what would you say, Um, for someone who's looking 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.000 to get into this space, I mean, follow your path, 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.680 which is just get out, meet people, see what's going on. No, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:25.080 not necessarily, because I don't think that everybody is like that, right. Um. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.560 I'm really good with being in front of people. I'm 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.480 really good with being in front of the public eye. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.160 I'm just I thrive in that situation. I thrive under 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.800 that pressure, even when there's a lot of hate on me, Like, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.880 I thrive in that Like that's how that's what I like. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.440 I enjoy it because it's it's kind of like the 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.000 mentality of like, oh, someone says something negative about me, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:43.960 I'm just gonna just work even harder and just stick 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.280 it to their face even more. But not yeah, exactly, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.000 but not everybody's like that, Like, everybody has different goals 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.280 and ambitions, and UM, I think the first step is 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.600 to like find the place where you're comfortable. And so 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.720 when I was first joined the industry, like I was 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.560 comfortable in trading. It was easy. I could stay anonymous online, uh, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.800 and I could share my thoughts and opinions and and 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.920 do live streams with the mask on, right, Like that 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.920 was comfortable for me. Um. And then I then the 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.320 second step is to find like what you're good at naturally, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.480 Like you probably have skills that you you've been utilizing 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.760 before you got into crypto. Use those skills to uh, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.120 to become like to to add something to the industry. Right, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.720 So if your website developers start reaching out to all 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.520 these companies who have horrible fucking websites and just like 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.600 offer your services to them, you know, build a brand 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.880 that way, um And and really that's that's where that's 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:41.520 where it lies. Is you gotta utilize what you're good 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.720 at and uh and yeah, give it to people. So 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.280 do you think do you think since this space is 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.680 growing so fast that um, there's a lot of need 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.200 for people that have specialty skills. So for example, UM, 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.920 as the space grows, they need to build websites. Um 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.839 And if there were people that knew how to build 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.880 like crypto specific websites, had domain expertise in crypto, they 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.240 could probably do really well. Or let's say that I'm 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.599 a copywriter, but now I learned all about crypto, I 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.120 can write copy for crypto. There's probably big opportunities for me. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:14.160 Is that I mean, there's bigger opportunities for anyone. Um, 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.880 if you're like I think first like first step is 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.719 you have to be passionate about this place. You know 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.320 what I mean, You're not going to stick around for 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.640 the long term. We've seen it in the bear market. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.559 So if you're if you're passionate, is the only way 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.000 you're gonna stick around for the long term. Yeah, I agree, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.480 I say, Uh, what I like to say is that 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.960 you know, to be successful, it requires so much hard work, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.600 and if you're not super passionate, you'll never be able 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.559 to put the work in required to like get there, right, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.800 So yeah, passion for sure follow that exactly. Like when 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.000 you've lost fucking of your money in a bear market, 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.560 and like it's like you, like, the only reason you 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.360 would stay around is to see through what's going on 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.480 with this technology. So yeah, step one, passion step to 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.719 figure out what interests you. You know what I mean 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.320 For me personally, when it first started, like what interested 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.199 me was like making money so that I could be 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.000 a little bit more comfortable because I was in a 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.840 tough financial spot. Um. And then once I had like 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.600 reached that, the third step was like utilizing what I'm 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.079 good at, what my talents are, what my skills are, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:20.680 to add value to the industry and the people involved. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.640 that's perfect. And and I would even encourage people that 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.680 if you if you're interested in something like I'm a 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.760 good writer, I should learn about copyrighting. Great, take a 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.200 course in copyrighting, and then go off for those skills 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.960 to the market even right, they get take it one 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.520 step further, but um, that's great advice. Yeah. So not 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.960 everybody should be out there doing what you're doing, especially 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.040 if you're not a people person and you're kind of 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.920 more introverted. Um that makes sense. Um, So being a 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.719 guy that's that's traveling all the time, I think you 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.360 just got back from Asia, right or Taipei or something 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.800 like that. And it was just in taipeim in Florida 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.680 today and then I'm back in Japan in a week. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.439 So yeah, so that's crazy. So, UM, tell me what 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.480 you're seeing out there on the road, well, going on 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:04.720 out in the world. It's it's interesting, man, it's interesting. Um. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.160 I just spent my first month and a half in Asia. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.040 I haven't done or I've excuse me, Europe, so I 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.120 haven't done Europe before, uh this year, and it's interesting 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.000 to see the different like subcultures. So we have the 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.240 US where people are pretty passionate about it, but they're 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.400 very much passionate, passionate about it from the trading standpoint. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.719 You know, there are people that are building companies here, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.920 which is really really cool. But if you go to 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:32.760 a cryptoconference in the US, UM, it's much more low key, right, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:37.240 It's not packed. It's not really full like full with people. Um. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.240 There are people always trying to sell you stuff, but 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.880 it's not like, uh, it's not like the event to 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.800 be at it. But if you go to Asia, men, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.240 it's fucking crazy. Like Taiwan. I was just there for 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.200 a b S summit hosted by my good friend Andrew 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.959 and uh, they have everyone there, you know, like sees 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.559 these there, Arthur Hayes is there, No Reel's there. All 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.120 the c NBC guys are there, and it's like a 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.640 hyped event. You know. You walk in there and there 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.800 are like three hundred people in one like small room 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.120 watching uh, like walking through looking at boost. There's another 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.079 five hundred upstairs. You know, there's another two hundred in 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.800 the lobby like having conversations. Um, it's exciting, it's exciting. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.000 It's it's uh, it's it's that's I think the thing 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.800 that that I can really say is it's literally exciting. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.040 It feels like you're in a new environment. And why 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.200 why do you think that is so different than what 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.079 we see in the US. Is it because the US 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.480 is um kind of kicking all this stuff offshore, or 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.720 they're just more into they maybe they see a need 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.240 for the technology more. What do you what do you 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.920 think about that? That's a good question, man. Um. I 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:45.360 think Asia sees the potential of the industry more in 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.560 my opinion. Uh, there's a lot more people trying to 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.800 build things. There's a lot more people trying to create things. Uh, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.120 it's really where the hub is, you know when I like, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.960 when I go there, I'm always hanging out with my 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.040 buddies from Europe. I'm always hanging out with my buddies 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.520 from the US. It seems like everybody seems to congregate, 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.120 uh in Asia, and I think I think it's like 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.880 specifically like they are like the Silicon Valley for crypto. Yeah. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.800 I did an event with Max Kaiser. He was in 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.400 l a A a week ago. I don't know if 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.520 I'm sure you probably saw that, um, And he was saying, uh, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.240 you know, people are asking him and they said, he said, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.760 you know, probably the US might be the last place 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.520 to see real adoption because we had the least need 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.160 for it. People in the US think we don't need 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.880 the problem, you know, we don't need a solution for privacy, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.520 or I don't need a different money, whereas other countries 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.040 they see this every day, right, Their currencies are crashing, 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.160 their money is being stolen. Um. So do you is 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:36.920 that kind of what you see when you're out there 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.040 you kind of get that sense? Yeah, I mean I 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.400 I can definitely agree with that, that sense. You know, Um, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.880 it's not necessarily like the topic of conversation at these 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.680 conferences though, Right, So it's not like how do we 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.960 solve our bittens or how do we solve these major 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.560 issues when you're at a cryptoconference, Uh, it's more talking 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.160 about the technology. People are always trying to show you something, um, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.240 but it's not necessarily in those conversations. But I could 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.280 see that as a potential reason for these solutions, you 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.240 know specifically like here in the US, Like the matter 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.800 of fact is like people are starting to learn that, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:14.120 like they're that the money is is is not good. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.280 You know that the inflation is is occurring. Um. That 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.800 they're starting to learn about privacy and all these different things, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.440 but they don't care specifically in my opinion, because uh, 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.440 they haven't had a reaction to what these things can 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.800 do or the potential damage is not like even like 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.880 hit them, So they really can't even like conceptualize the 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.400 potential of what might happen. Right. So then you you 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:39.720 just spent like you said, a month and a half 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.480 in Europe, obviously a lot of times in the US 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.600 and now Asia, So do you feel that Asia is 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.400 really kind of the hot bed right now? It's like 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.640 the hot area to be A's just A's just number 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.400 one not even a question. You know, Singapore, Hong Kong, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.280 specifically Korea, South Korea. Soul is like absolutely always popping. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.040 There's a big event coming up in Singapore sometimes soon 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.520 in there. Yeah, Singapore Consense will be in in September. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.800 I'll be out there for that. And then right afterwards 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.880 is Korean Blockchain Week. Yeah, I might need to get 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.600 into that one. I haven't been. I haven't been over 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.520 to Asia and I'm definitely missing out on that. Come 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.400 with us, bro, Come with us So. Um, so you're 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.240 so you're out there, you're seeing, like you said, there's 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.280 a lot more people at these conventions, a lot more 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.400 companies they're exhibiting at the conventions. Um, are you seeing 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.720 any kind of trends? Um? I think you know, we've 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.080 seen like a bunch of you know, new protocol layers 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.560 that were faster. Um. Now I see some maybe like 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.640 some new interest interest and maybe um identity and privacy. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.520 But what are you seeing as far as like that 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.560 trends out there right now? Right now? Like there isn't 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.440 a super definitive one trend, you know, like last year 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.520 two thousand seventeen leading into eighteen, like it was just 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.360 protocol season like literally everyone was releasing a protocol like 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.360 every week, you know, like this does a hundred thousand 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.680 transactions for execting in all this bullshit. UM, what I 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.120 do see and what the main trend is is every 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.560 single person who I talked to UM has built something 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.200 and it's fucking cool. Like I I've not been shilled 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.800 like one I c O or one I e O 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.159 Consensus this year or in Taiwan. Everybody that's come up 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.640 to me to like shill me something has been Hey, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.439 we've built this, we have this working product. What do 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.199 you think? And to me like like, it's such an 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.520 upgrade from two and two eighteen, like where it was 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.520 just a white paper. It was a white paper and 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.800 it was people literally coming up to me and being 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.199 like hey, man, like can you help me pump this token? 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.920 I'm just like, no, get the funk out of here, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.640 like it's crazy. It's crazy. So people are much more 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.960 technology focused and much more like a product focus. Yeah. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.840 So uh it's interesting to hear you say, you know, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.720 all the BS and the faster transactions and whatnot. You know, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.720 coming from the space where you were a trader and 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.720 you were you were making money or trading against all 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.800 these these protocols. And I think back then there was 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.440 a lot of thought of maybe these protocols could take off. Um, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.720 now you call it BS. So has your vision changed 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.960 a little bit? How you look at the industry, the 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.360 assets and it's maybe specifically protocol layers. No, I mean 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.479 I think that they're all all have potential, right, I 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:16.080 think that a lot of them in two thousand seventeen. Specifically, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.760 I don't think we see it as much anymore. But 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.879 they utilize specific language to hype their product up without 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.840 having something to back it up. Um. You know there 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.200 was many people claiming ridiculous transactions per second, uh, claiming 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.639 like ridiculous partnerships that weren't actually really true. Uh. And 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.000 it was specifically to manipulate the price of their coin 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.600 coin in order for them to make more money. Um. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:43.960 And it's whether it's good, whether it's bad. It happened. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.119 I see less of it now, which is good. UM. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.560 And my perspective is still the same, to be honest 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.800 with you, Like, my perspective is like we're in an 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:57.320 emerging market. In a normal like normal industry startups fail 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.399 in an emerging market, I would even imagine it's probably hired. 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.520 The startups are going to fail. So like anyone that's 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.160 like investing like in the stuff or trading it, they 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.919 have to realize that. You have to look at it 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.400 from that perspective. Um, And I don't give a ship. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.560 How fucking cool your coin sounds, how good the CEO 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.560 talks on camera, how good? Like the potential points are, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.200 Like if you're holding anything besides bigcoin long term, it's 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.280 a game. Huh. So that's that's yeah, I kind of 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.080 I kind of agree with you on that. We'll jump 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:29.840 into that in a second, but I'm just I was 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.040 just gonna say, you know, for me, my vision of 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.639 the industry has changed from nineteen um, and really just 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.159 in a sense where like you know, seventeen everything was 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.919 open and now the market has matured so like today, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.640 like I just don't like, oh, you're a new protocol 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.640 air and you have a million transactions, I don't really care. 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.600 Like that's at this point. I don't think that's enough. Um. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.720 It seems like the people who are in the protocol 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.959 race today are going to be the winners. Um. You know, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.880 and and now we're starting to see I think the 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.560 next stage of the volution, which is now building more 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.359 of like the infrastructure and on ramps and and and 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.240 whatnot is now building on top of those protocol airs. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.400