Speaker 1: So the big question is this, how do investors like
Speaker 1: us get access to the ideas, information, and most importantly,
Speaker 1: the right people that give us the tools and information
Speaker 1: we need to make conformed and educated decisions to have success.
Speaker 1: That is the question, and this podcast will give us
Speaker 1: the answers. This is Mark Moss, your host. Let's get
Speaker 1: this started. Welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. Today,
Speaker 1: I am sitting down with Ni. He is a host
Speaker 1: of involvement podcast um Titan Ventures, and he has made
Speaker 1: a transformation from just being a content poster on Twitter
Speaker 1: all the way to building legitimate businesses in the crypto
Speaker 1: blockchain space. And he's done it through a very unique
Speaker 1: path that he's done on his own, traveling the world
Speaker 1: on his own time to meet people, learn things. Uh
Speaker 1: an amazing transformation. Has so much insight because of his
Speaker 1: travels and everyone he's talking to, great conversations that's gone.
Speaker 1: Just jump right into it, all right, everyone, Welcome to
Speaker 1: another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. I am here
Speaker 1: with Ni today. He's been in the space for a
Speaker 1: while doing some big things and we've we've been able
Speaker 1: to keep up a little bit here and there, and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to dig in. He's got a really
Speaker 1: good story to tell, So I'm really excited to have
Speaker 1: this conversation with him today. So let's just jump into
Speaker 1: it and I I welcome to the show. Hey bro,
Speaker 1: glad to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: So um, you know we've been we've we've kind of
Speaker 1: been keeping up in touch a little bit here at
Speaker 1: different events and and talking here and there. I've seen
Speaker 1: you doing some big things in the space. But for
Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't know who you are, why don't you
Speaker 1: give us a little background of how you got here
Speaker 1: and what you're doing right now? Yeah? Definitely. So um.
Speaker 1: In terms of my journey in crypto, I started kind
Speaker 1: of just as a trader, trading all coins and and
Speaker 1: and trying to make trying to make money. And once
Speaker 1: I got a little bit deeper into really, once I
Speaker 1: made it like a decent amount of money, I was
Speaker 1: able to kind of relax a little bit and and
Speaker 1: uh and look at look at my life and say, Okay, really,
Speaker 1: what do I want to do next? And when I
Speaker 1: looked at what I want to do next, I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've been studying all these all coins.
Speaker 1: I've been studying this this is this technology, just from
Speaker 1: the trading perspective, just from the fundamental perspective, Like why
Speaker 1: don't I dive in and actually learn what the ship
Speaker 1: is about? Like why this is important? You know, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that are passionate about it. I know,
Speaker 1: like a decent amount about it, like much more than
Speaker 1: your average person, but not to the degree where I
Speaker 1: could sit down and educate people on it. UM. So
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time traveling. I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time learning as much as possible UM, talking
Speaker 1: to as many intelligent people as I could, started a
Speaker 1: podcast to learn as much as I can, Still learning
Speaker 1: a lot every single day. But I found myself just
Speaker 1: in love with the the concept of what this whole
Speaker 1: industry is about UM, and specifically what bitcoin is about
Speaker 1: UM and the mission that that it's trying to accomplish UM.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, that's led me to where I am the day,
Speaker 1: which is running UH. I run a company called Titan Ventures. UH.
Speaker 1: Titan Ventures has three separate wings. We have a media
Speaker 1: wing which pretty much runs UH my my podcast. It
Speaker 1: owns a couple other media sources. And then I have
Speaker 1: Tightened Labs, which is the second wing of Titan Ventures,
Speaker 1: which is a startup incubator, which is incubating a few
Speaker 1: of our own personal ideas right at the moment. And
Speaker 1: then we have tightened charity where we've worked with companies
Speaker 1: like Finance Charity and things like that to try and
Speaker 1: help and give back to the people that deserve it
Speaker 1: and need it. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Now I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. You said, Uh, it's really cool to see
Speaker 1: how you came in as a as a trader. I'm
Speaker 1: just here to make money, and there's so many entrances
Speaker 1: into the space. Mine mind really came a little bit
Speaker 1: more ideology from the ideology bind it. But you came
Speaker 1: in from a trader. But then you got sucked in
Speaker 1: UM and you learned what this big concept is about.
Speaker 1: So what is that big concept that that you fell
Speaker 1: in love with? Well, for me, it's always been in about, uh,
Speaker 1: what can I do to impact like the people around
Speaker 1: me and to impact the situations that are going on
Speaker 1: in the world. Like even before Crypto UM, I've been
Speaker 1: very very passionate about the concept that we we really
Speaker 1: need to evolve the way that we're thinking. We really
Speaker 1: need to evolve the way that we're living. In order
Speaker 1: to continue living on this planet for the next fifty
Speaker 1: d two hundred years, things need to change, things need
Speaker 1: to be different. Uh. And so once it once like
Speaker 1: I finally got the scope of what was happening, uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of the fact that our entire monitor, the
Speaker 1: monetary system is manipulated and controlled, and specifically manipulated and
Speaker 1: controlled to gain more uh financial benefit for the people
Speaker 1: who already have a lot of money which is really
Speaker 1: used to fund war and other negative things in in
Speaker 1: our world that that destroy our world. Once I kind
Speaker 1: of got that and I saw how bitcoin could potentially
Speaker 1: disrupt that. That's really what like the click moment for me. Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So we're all we're all here together fighting
Speaker 1: the good fight, right, but I love it. It's a
Speaker 1: peaceful it's a peaceful fight. We're opting out of the system.
Speaker 1: So the reason why I really was interested to talk
Speaker 1: to you is because you came in kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, just just to make some money. You kind
Speaker 1: of started I think maybe started just posting on Twitter
Speaker 1: kind of your thoughts, what you're seeing, whatever. And now
Speaker 1: you've had this path to now being a builder in
Speaker 1: the space. Right, So, um, I love that. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked to a lot of different people in the space,
Speaker 1: investors or or other people, but um, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you just because it looks like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're obviously proving that there are lots of opportunities for
Speaker 1: people to get involved in this space. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest misconception, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: is there. M hmm. This is the opportunity I saw.
Speaker 1: I saw that as a trader there was at this
Speaker 1: amount of opportunity. You can make good money if you're
Speaker 1: really really good at what you do. It's a volatile
Speaker 1: market and and if you're great at it, fantastic you
Speaker 1: can make a ton of money. Um. But if we're
Speaker 1: talking about like, like money is obviously a good thing.
Speaker 1: I think it makes it's it's good in the regards
Speaker 1: that it makes you, like comfortable, but beyond comfortability, it
Speaker 1: doesn't provide other things like happiness, like legacy, like uh,
Speaker 1: improving the general scope of your life beyond comfortability. So
Speaker 1: for me personally, like, I'm really really interested in in legacy,
Speaker 1: in building something that impacts the people around me and
Speaker 1: impacts uh, the goal or mission of what we're doing
Speaker 1: in in whatever things that we're doing so specifically right
Speaker 1: now in the bitcoin cryptococurrency space. So as things evolved
Speaker 1: for me personally, I saw that there's a bigger opportunity
Speaker 1: to build things, build companies, building ideas, build concepts in
Speaker 1: the space. Then there is to make money trading, uh,
Speaker 1: and you can also make money by buil holding those
Speaker 1: concepts and building those ideas because if we are all
Speaker 1: correct here and this is the next multi trillion dollar industry,
Speaker 1: then you could be building assets and companies right now
Speaker 1: that you might be able to build for ten dollars,
Speaker 1: they could eventually be evaluated at over a million, ten million,
Speaker 1: hundred million UM. So that's that's really where what my
Speaker 1: focus was. That's what I really realized early on UM
Speaker 1: and when people just like, like like you said, like
Speaker 1: I just joined because people started to like my tweets,
Speaker 1: you know, and I just kept going because people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool. And I was really just my thoughts,
Speaker 1: my opinions, and my jokes. And it wasn't until like
Speaker 1: a little bit later, like probably three or four or
Speaker 1: five months after I started sharing my stuff that I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, this can actually be built into
Speaker 1: something way bigger. Uh, and I just took the leap
Speaker 1: and started to do it. Yeah. So I know for
Speaker 1: the last couple of years you have been like on
Speaker 1: the move. Even today, you're travel everywhere. So I I
Speaker 1: and I get asked all the time, how could somebody
Speaker 1: get involved in the space. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: like you and I who see what's going on when
Speaker 1: to get involved. And I'm like, well, you could build
Speaker 1: websites or do marketing or whatever, right, all these things. Um,
Speaker 1: so what would you say, Um, for someone who's looking
Speaker 1: to get into this space, I mean, follow your path,
Speaker 1: which is just get out, meet people, see what's going on. No,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, because I don't think that everybody is like that, right. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm really good with being in front of people. I'm
Speaker 1: really good with being in front of the public eye.
Speaker 1: I'm just I thrive in that situation. I thrive under
Speaker 1: that pressure, even when there's a lot of hate on me, Like,
Speaker 1: I thrive in that Like that's how that's what I like.
Speaker 1: I enjoy it because it's it's kind of like the
Speaker 1: mentality of like, oh, someone says something negative about me,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just work even harder and just stick
Speaker 1: it to their face even more. But not yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: but not everybody's like that, Like, everybody has different goals
Speaker 1: and ambitions, and UM, I think the first step is
Speaker 1: to like find the place where you're comfortable. And so
Speaker 1: when I was first joined the industry, like I was
Speaker 1: comfortable in trading. It was easy. I could stay anonymous online, uh,
Speaker 1: and I could share my thoughts and opinions and and
Speaker 1: do live streams with the mask on, right, Like that
Speaker 1: was comfortable for me. Um. And then I then the
Speaker 1: second step is to find like what you're good at naturally,
Speaker 1: Like you probably have skills that you you've been utilizing
Speaker 1: before you got into crypto. Use those skills to uh,
Speaker 1: to become like to to add something to the industry. Right,
Speaker 1: So if your website developers start reaching out to all
Speaker 1: these companies who have horrible fucking websites and just like
Speaker 1: offer your services to them, you know, build a brand
Speaker 1: that way, um And and really that's that's where that's
Speaker 1: where it lies. Is you gotta utilize what you're good
Speaker 1: at and uh and yeah, give it to people. So
Speaker 1: do you think do you think since this space is
Speaker 1: growing so fast that um, there's a lot of need
Speaker 1: for people that have specialty skills. So for example, UM,
Speaker 1: as the space grows, they need to build websites. Um
Speaker 1: And if there were people that knew how to build
Speaker 1: like crypto specific websites, had domain expertise in crypto, they
Speaker 1: could probably do really well. Or let's say that I'm
Speaker 1: a copywriter, but now I learned all about crypto, I
Speaker 1: can write copy for crypto. There's probably big opportunities for me.
Speaker 1: Is that I mean, there's bigger opportunities for anyone. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're like I think first like first step is
Speaker 1: you have to be passionate about this place. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You're not going to stick around for
Speaker 1: the long term. We've seen it in the bear market.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're passionate, is the only way
Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around for the long term. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I say, Uh, what I like to say is that
Speaker 1: you know, to be successful, it requires so much hard work,
Speaker 1: and if you're not super passionate, you'll never be able
Speaker 1: to put the work in required to like get there, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, passion for sure follow that exactly. Like when
Speaker 1: you've lost fucking of your money in a bear market,
Speaker 1: and like it's like you, like, the only reason you
Speaker 1: would stay around is to see through what's going on
Speaker 1: with this technology. So yeah, step one, passion step to
Speaker 1: figure out what interests you. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: For me personally, when it first started, like what interested
Speaker 1: me was like making money so that I could be
Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable because I was in a
Speaker 1: tough financial spot. Um. And then once I had like
Speaker 1: reached that, the third step was like utilizing what I'm
Speaker 1: good at, what my talents are, what my skills are,
Speaker 1: to add value to the industry and the people involved. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's perfect. And and I would even encourage people that
Speaker 1: if you if you're interested in something like I'm a
Speaker 1: good writer, I should learn about copyrighting. Great, take a
Speaker 1: course in copyrighting, and then go off for those skills
Speaker 1: to the market even right, they get take it one
Speaker 1: step further, but um, that's great advice. Yeah. So not
Speaker 1: everybody should be out there doing what you're doing, especially
Speaker 1: if you're not a people person and you're kind of
Speaker 1: more introverted. Um that makes sense. Um, So being a
Speaker 1: guy that's that's traveling all the time, I think you
Speaker 1: just got back from Asia, right or Taipei or something
Speaker 1: like that. And it was just in taipeim in Florida
Speaker 1: today and then I'm back in Japan in a week.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's crazy. So, UM, tell me what
Speaker 1: you're seeing out there on the road, well, going on
Speaker 1: out in the world. It's it's interesting, man, it's interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: I just spent my first month and a half in Asia.
Speaker 1: I haven't done or I've excuse me, Europe, so I
Speaker 1: haven't done Europe before, uh this year, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: to see the different like subcultures. So we have the
Speaker 1: US where people are pretty passionate about it, but they're
Speaker 1: very much passionate, passionate about it from the trading standpoint.
Speaker 1: You know, there are people that are building companies here,
Speaker 1: which is really really cool. But if you go to
Speaker 1: a cryptoconference in the US, UM, it's much more low key, right,
Speaker 1: It's not packed. It's not really full like full with people. Um.
Speaker 1: There are people always trying to sell you stuff, but
Speaker 1: it's not like, uh, it's not like the event to
Speaker 1: be at it. But if you go to Asia, men,
Speaker 1: it's fucking crazy. Like Taiwan. I was just there for
Speaker 1: a b S summit hosted by my good friend Andrew
Speaker 1: and uh, they have everyone there, you know, like sees
Speaker 1: these there, Arthur Hayes is there, No Reel's there. All
Speaker 1: the c NBC guys are there, and it's like a
Speaker 1: hyped event. You know. You walk in there and there
Speaker 1: are like three hundred people in one like small room
Speaker 1: watching uh, like walking through looking at boost. There's another
Speaker 1: five hundred upstairs. You know, there's another two hundred in
Speaker 1: the lobby like having conversations. Um, it's exciting, it's exciting.
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's it's that's I think the thing
Speaker 1: that that I can really say is it's literally exciting.
Speaker 1: It feels like you're in a new environment. And why
Speaker 1: why do you think that is so different than what
Speaker 1: we see in the US. Is it because the US
Speaker 1: is um kind of kicking all this stuff offshore, or
Speaker 1: they're just more into they maybe they see a need
Speaker 1: for the technology more. What do you what do you
Speaker 1: think about that? That's a good question, man. Um. I
Speaker 1: think Asia sees the potential of the industry more in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Uh, there's a lot more people trying to
Speaker 1: build things. There's a lot more people trying to create things. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's really where the hub is, you know when I like,
Speaker 1: when I go there, I'm always hanging out with my
Speaker 1: buddies from Europe. I'm always hanging out with my buddies
Speaker 1: from the US. It seems like everybody seems to congregate,
Speaker 1: uh in Asia, and I think I think it's like
Speaker 1: specifically like they are like the Silicon Valley for crypto. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did an event with Max Kaiser. He was in
Speaker 1: l a A a week ago. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably saw that, um, And he was saying, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people are asking him and they said, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, probably the US might be the last place
Speaker 1: to see real adoption because we had the least need
Speaker 1: for it. People in the US think we don't need
Speaker 1: the problem, you know, we don't need a solution for privacy,
Speaker 1: or I don't need a different money, whereas other countries
Speaker 1: they see this every day, right, Their currencies are crashing,
Speaker 1: their money is being stolen. Um. So do you is
Speaker 1: that kind of what you see when you're out there
Speaker 1: you kind of get that sense? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: I can definitely agree with that, that sense. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily like the topic of conversation at these
Speaker 1: conferences though, Right, So it's not like how do we
Speaker 1: solve our bittens or how do we solve these major
Speaker 1: issues when you're at a cryptoconference, Uh, it's more talking
Speaker 1: about the technology. People are always trying to show you something, um,
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily in those conversations. But I could
Speaker 1: see that as a potential reason for these solutions, you
Speaker 1: know specifically like here in the US, Like the matter
Speaker 1: of fact is like people are starting to learn that,
Speaker 1: like they're that the money is is is not good.
Speaker 1: You know that the inflation is is occurring. Um. That
Speaker 1: they're starting to learn about privacy and all these different things,
Speaker 1: but they don't care specifically in my opinion, because uh,
Speaker 1: they haven't had a reaction to what these things can
Speaker 1: do or the potential damage is not like even like
Speaker 1: hit them, So they really can't even like conceptualize the
Speaker 1: potential of what might happen. Right. So then you you
Speaker 1: just spent like you said, a month and a half
Speaker 1: in Europe, obviously a lot of times in the US
Speaker 1: and now Asia, So do you feel that Asia is
Speaker 1: really kind of the hot bed right now? It's like
Speaker 1: the hot area to be A's just A's just number
Speaker 1: one not even a question. You know, Singapore, Hong Kong,
Speaker 1: specifically Korea, South Korea. Soul is like absolutely always popping.
Speaker 1: There's a big event coming up in Singapore sometimes soon
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, Singapore Consense will be in in September.
Speaker 1: I'll be out there for that. And then right afterwards
Speaker 1: is Korean Blockchain Week. Yeah, I might need to get
Speaker 1: into that one. I haven't been. I haven't been over
Speaker 1: to Asia and I'm definitely missing out on that. Come
Speaker 1: with us, bro, Come with us So. Um, so you're
Speaker 1: so you're out there, you're seeing, like you said, there's
Speaker 1: a lot more people at these conventions, a lot more
Speaker 1: companies they're exhibiting at the conventions. Um, are you seeing
Speaker 1: any kind of trends? Um? I think you know, we've
Speaker 1: seen like a bunch of you know, new protocol layers
Speaker 1: that were faster. Um. Now I see some maybe like
Speaker 1: some new interest interest and maybe um identity and privacy.
Speaker 1: But what are you seeing as far as like that
Speaker 1: trends out there right now? Right now? Like there isn't
Speaker 1: a super definitive one trend, you know, like last year
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen leading into eighteen, like it was just
Speaker 1: protocol season like literally everyone was releasing a protocol like
Speaker 1: every week, you know, like this does a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: transactions for execting in all this bullshit. UM, what I
Speaker 1: do see and what the main trend is is every
Speaker 1: single person who I talked to UM has built something
Speaker 1: and it's fucking cool. Like I I've not been shilled
Speaker 1: like one I c O or one I e O
Speaker 1: Consensus this year or in Taiwan. Everybody that's come up
Speaker 1: to me to like shill me something has been Hey,
Speaker 1: we've built this, we have this working product. What do
Speaker 1: you think? And to me like like, it's such an
Speaker 1: upgrade from two and two eighteen, like where it was
Speaker 1: just a white paper. It was a white paper and
Speaker 1: it was people literally coming up to me and being
Speaker 1: like hey, man, like can you help me pump this token?
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, get the funk out of here,
Speaker 1: like it's crazy. It's crazy. So people are much more
Speaker 1: technology focused and much more like a product focus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So uh it's interesting to hear you say, you know,
Speaker 1: all the BS and the faster transactions and whatnot. You know,
Speaker 1: coming from the space where you were a trader and
Speaker 1: you were you were making money or trading against all
Speaker 1: these these protocols. And I think back then there was
Speaker 1: a lot of thought of maybe these protocols could take off. Um,
Speaker 1: now you call it BS. So has your vision changed
Speaker 1: a little bit? How you look at the industry, the
Speaker 1: assets and it's maybe specifically protocol layers. No, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that they're all all have potential, right, I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of them in two thousand seventeen. Specifically,
Speaker 1: I don't think we see it as much anymore. But
Speaker 1: they utilize specific language to hype their product up without
Speaker 1: having something to back it up. Um. You know there
Speaker 1: was many people claiming ridiculous transactions per second, uh, claiming
Speaker 1: like ridiculous partnerships that weren't actually really true. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it was specifically to manipulate the price of their coin
Speaker 1: coin in order for them to make more money. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's whether it's good, whether it's bad. It happened.
Speaker 1: I see less of it now, which is good. UM.
Speaker 1: And my perspective is still the same, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Like, my perspective is like we're in an
Speaker 1: emerging market. In a normal like normal industry startups fail
Speaker 1: in an emerging market, I would even imagine it's probably hired.
Speaker 1: The startups are going to fail. So like anyone that's
Speaker 1: like investing like in the stuff or trading it, they
Speaker 1: have to realize that. You have to look at it
Speaker 1: from that perspective. Um, And I don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: How fucking cool your coin sounds, how good the CEO
Speaker 1: talks on camera, how good? Like the potential points are,
Speaker 1: Like if you're holding anything besides bigcoin long term, it's
Speaker 1: a game. Huh. So that's that's yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you on that. We'll jump
Speaker 1: into that in a second, but I'm just I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, you know, for me, my vision of
Speaker 1: the industry has changed from nineteen um, and really just
Speaker 1: in a sense where like you know, seventeen everything was
Speaker 1: open and now the market has matured so like today,
Speaker 1: like I just don't like, oh, you're a new protocol
Speaker 1: air and you have a million transactions, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Like that's at this point. I don't think that's enough. Um.
Speaker 1: It seems like the people who are in the protocol
Speaker 1: race today are going to be the winners. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: and and now we're starting to see I think the
Speaker 1: next stage of the volution, which is now building more
Speaker 1: of like the infrastructure and on ramps and and and
Speaker 1: whatnot is now building on top of those protocol airs.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. You know, you're seeing a bunch of companies.
Speaker 1: What are they building on past protocol airs? I mean
Speaker 1: it seems like still people are building on ethereum. Are
Speaker 1: you seeing EO so are you seeing cosmos? Like? What
Speaker 1: what are people building on? Yeah? Gaming has been really
Speaker 1: focused on EOS. You know, a lot of the games
Speaker 1: that I'd like to talk to talk with, they're they're
Speaker 1: building on the EOS. Uh protocol. Ethereum still number one, man.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody can hate on ethereum the fact that
Speaker 1: it's not scalable yet and all of these different things,
Speaker 1: but Ethereum still number one. People are building on ethereum
Speaker 1: and they're consistently building on ethereum. Do you think don't
Speaker 1: you think the scaling um narrative is kind of dead
Speaker 1: or should be kind of dead? Right? Like I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: I feel like all the scaling for Bitcoin and ethereum
Speaker 1: happens on layer two and side chains and whatnot. Like,
Speaker 1: can't you do loom? Like you know, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: loom you can create a d p O S side
Speaker 1: chain and that could run just like e O S right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, yeah, I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know much about LOOM specifically, but I do think
Speaker 1: like the concept of like, oh, it's not scalable is
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit, um one, because we don't even have uh,
Speaker 1: the the volume that's necessary for scalability yet, Like right now,
Speaker 1: it would work completely fine to just run it like
Speaker 1: run on ethereum. Maybe if we have another crypto Kitty situation, yes,
Speaker 1: we need to have a much more scalable solution. But
Speaker 1: the matter of fact is like that was during the
Speaker 1: most hyped period of crypto, and it showed us that
Speaker 1: that's a problem, and then it will be it'll be
Speaker 1: an issue if we don't solve it in the future.
Speaker 1: But like from my personal opinion, I think you build
Speaker 1: things and as you build them, they get better. So
Speaker 1: once you have maybe a hundred users on the platform,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need need to scale to a hundred fifty.
Speaker 1: Once you find the scalability for a hundred fifty, you
Speaker 1: get a hundred fifty. It's something that takes time, it's
Speaker 1: something that builds. It's not like something that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like you're going to have Ethereum is fully
Speaker 1: scalable immediately right off the bat, and then a million
Speaker 1: users come on and instantly need to use it, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's how things work, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. Yeah, that's why I just think
Speaker 1: that the whole scaling argument is just it worked in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I just don't see it as as much today,
Speaker 1: which is why maybe I'm not as excited a new
Speaker 1: protocol ayers when all they're trying to say is they're faster, right. Um,
Speaker 1: So I was just curious. Um, the video game space
Speaker 1: is something that is growing pretty big. Are you You're
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of that out there. I have been
Speaker 1: talking to more and more game companies recently. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just I just was out in Vegas the last
Speaker 1: two days. Just did a little midweek get away with
Speaker 1: the wife, and it was just interesting to see, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Vegas is just so big, and it's just
Speaker 1: like all like old school gambling and then it's all
Speaker 1: like mostly walking through the casino, it's all just still
Speaker 1: slot machines and it's just old people sitting there. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but having this conversation with my wife.
Speaker 1: She goes crazy because I just always doctor about this stuff.
Speaker 1: And we're at the pool and I'm just like, you
Speaker 1: can see the whole skyline. I'm just like, look at
Speaker 1: all this. It's like it's like old though, Like there's
Speaker 1: all old people right, Like new people don't care about
Speaker 1: hitting the slot machine button. I just can't. I can't
Speaker 1: help but think how like E gaming or e sports
Speaker 1: is just gonna just take that whole just wipe that
Speaker 1: whole thing out. Maybe. Yeah, man, I think the gaming
Speaker 1: is huge, dude, I really do. Um. I haven't studied
Speaker 1: it enough to like be like super educated on the subject,
Speaker 1: but E gaming is big, and personally, like what I'm
Speaker 1: really bullish on is I'm really bullish on like n
Speaker 1: f T s Um. I think n f T gaming
Speaker 1: and s f T gaming is going to be fucking massive. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when you talk about n f T, so for
Speaker 1: people that don't know, uh, non fungible tokens right. So
Speaker 1: n f T gaming meaning that, um, I can earn
Speaker 1: things in the game that I can keep in control
Speaker 1: and own on my own, and then those could be
Speaker 1: transferred out of the game and my value that I
Speaker 1: could use somewhere else exactly. I mean, I'm not like
Speaker 1: the best example, Like when I was a kid, Pokemon
Speaker 1: was the sucking shit right like and if you had
Speaker 1: like like even now you have a first edition charges
Speaker 1: are my buddies collecting first edition charge arts? At least
Speaker 1: he's trying to do. They're like seventy dollars now they're
Speaker 1: ridiculously expensive. So the but the concept is that is
Speaker 1: the only one that is in existence, and there's one
Speaker 1: of maybe there's like fifty of them ever made in existence.
Speaker 1: Now imagine you utilize that and you put it onto
Speaker 1: a digital platform where you can open card packs online
Speaker 1: and each card it actually has a digital digital signature
Speaker 1: to it that makes it completely unique from the rest,
Speaker 1: and then you can play Pokemon or whatever the game
Speaker 1: is with someone who's across the world utilizing the cars
Speaker 1: that you just opened from a pack. It would be
Speaker 1: like taking my entire childhood of of of these card
Speaker 1: games and moving it into a digital atmosphere that allows
Speaker 1: me to play without borders. And I think that is like,
Speaker 1: I think it's the like realistically, I think it's the
Speaker 1: a like adoption should be like really occurring first, And
Speaker 1: I think it's a fucking trillion dollar industry. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think all this is kind of the same, right, So
Speaker 1: it seems like this is it's all about value. So
Speaker 1: if I'm playing that video game, I'm creating value, and
Speaker 1: I should be able to keep that value and transferred over.
Speaker 1: But it's also all these other tokens are kind of
Speaker 1: the same, where it's like, um, unlocking value out of
Speaker 1: all these silos. I was kind of explained to my wife,
Speaker 1: how you know, it would be no different than using
Speaker 1: my airline reward points or you know, we're at the casino,
Speaker 1: you know in Vegas, Like I could take those reward
Speaker 1: points and then we could interchange those And so, whether
Speaker 1: that be reward points or whether it be in video games,
Speaker 1: it's always about us being sovereign, having the sovereignty to
Speaker 1: own our value and transfer that value around. UM. So
Speaker 1: that's really cool. I think, Uh, we'll have to see
Speaker 1: if the video game makers will get on board with
Speaker 1: that though, right, that's gonna be a big hurdle, I know, man,
Speaker 1: I like, I want to talk to Pokemon about it,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I just want to be like, dude,
Speaker 1: you guys need to fucking create this like right now, um,
Speaker 1: because then then you have a whole new atmosphere. You
Speaker 1: have a whole new gaming platform and a whole new
Speaker 1: way that people can like trade and get excited about
Speaker 1: their games again. You know, I don't give a shit
Speaker 1: about Pokemon cards anymore, but maybe I would if it
Speaker 1: was on my phone. Yeah, it's interesting to watch, um.
Speaker 1: You know I I love to study history and if
Speaker 1: you look at if you look at history, you can
Speaker 1: kind of tell the future. And we can look at
Speaker 1: like how the music industry transformed and even the movie industry.
Speaker 1: So when the VCR first came out, Disney was super
Speaker 1: scared to let their movies go out on on on
Speaker 1: VCR or VHS because you know, how are the how
Speaker 1: are people gonna go to the movie theaters? And then
Speaker 1: within the music industry kind of the same way that
Speaker 1: whole deal over streaming music, Well, who's gonna buy the
Speaker 1: albums anymore? But they always find a new way. And
Speaker 1: I see the video game industry in the same place today,
Speaker 1: which is well, if we don't keep people locked in
Speaker 1: how we make money. But I think the evolution is
Speaker 1: just like the music industry, they'll find another way. And uh,
Speaker 1: whoever jumps on it first, Like you're saying, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the big winner there, agreed. Now, Um,
Speaker 1: you had made a comment a little while a little
Speaker 1: bit back where you said that maybe everyone should just
Speaker 1: buy and hold bitcoin. Yeah, I mean yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not a big bitcoin maximalist by any means, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I really believe that a lot of these companies have potential.
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of these companies, and it's
Speaker 1: not just potential of the idea and like the new
Speaker 1: implement implementation of technology, but it's the the potential of
Speaker 1: the people, you know. I think that's what changed for
Speaker 1: me a lot from two thousand seventeen, two eighteen to
Speaker 1: like now is the fact that I've been meeting these
Speaker 1: companies in person. I've been talking to them face to face,
Speaker 1: and you get a whole different sense of what's going
Speaker 1: on when you talk to them. Besides, when you read
Speaker 1: a web white paper and look at a website, it's
Speaker 1: a completely different understanding of what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: It's a completely different energy because you actually get to
Speaker 1: tell whether they're passionate about it or not. You actually
Speaker 1: get to see their emotions. Um, So what I'm getting
Speaker 1: as a by no means my bit bitcoin maximum list.
Speaker 1: I do believe a lot of these have potential, but
Speaker 1: I also believe that if you stick to one specific
Speaker 1: project that's not Bitcoin, you say this is the future,
Speaker 1: you're gambling. You don't know that. No one knows that.
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, like probably nine of these companies
Speaker 1: are going to fail. Um. And if you really believe
Speaker 1: in something that heavily like that's that's fucking commitment. I
Speaker 1: applaud you on that, But I just don't believe that
Speaker 1: anything is guaranteed to be a lot around for the
Speaker 1: next ten years. Besides Bitcoin, Yeah, definitely, Well bitcoin has
Speaker 1: tenures of history, so the longer it's around them, more
Speaker 1: likely it will will continue to be around. And I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, again, the industry has changed and
Speaker 1: so um if people did want to get into these
Speaker 1: smaller plays, they need to understand the risks that are
Speaker 1: there and they need to allocate their portfolios appropriately. So
Speaker 1: a bigger percentage should definitely be in the safer stuff
Speaker 1: like bitcoin and ethereum, and then make sure you know
Speaker 1: these moonshots that you're taking with the small companies are
Speaker 1: a small portion of a portion of your allocations, I agreed,
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Ad? Agree it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've definitely I've got probably more than I should in
Speaker 1: in some all coins you know, like I mean ten percent,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like is in some some
Speaker 1: all coin plays ten that's some all coin plays that like,
Speaker 1: I actually like have spoken with the teams, I've interviewed them. Um,
Speaker 1: I have spoken with the community, and based upon all
Speaker 1: these different factors that I've looked at, obviously the technology
Speaker 1: that they're attempting to build, based upon these different factors
Speaker 1: that I looked at, I can see like, wow, this
Speaker 1: has potential. Uh yeah, I might lose all this fucking money,
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to bet that amount of money that
Speaker 1: they will do something cool. Now, you're obviously, as we
Speaker 1: talked about, you're on the move, you're out there, you're
Speaker 1: talking to these companies, you're meeting with these companies, you're
Speaker 1: even going to their facilities and meeting their teams. But
Speaker 1: the average person isn't able to do that. So, um,
Speaker 1: what kind of due diligence could somebody do on their own?
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is the fact is, yeah, like
Speaker 1: one obviously read the website, white paper, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But the fact is, like you should be able to
Speaker 1: contact almost every single CEO in this industry, unless you're like,
Speaker 1: unless it's Charles Hockinson or or someone like Justin's son,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not probably not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get on a one on one phone call with them
Speaker 1: because they're freaking doing their own thing. They've already got big,
Speaker 1: big money and all this other stuff. But if you're
Speaker 1: talking about under top fifty coin, um, some even in
Speaker 1: the top fifty, you will be able to get these
Speaker 1: people on the phone with you. Um, you just gotta
Speaker 1: like be persistent. You gotta go in there telegram. You've
Speaker 1: got to talk to their team members, asked the team Uh,
Speaker 1: if you can jump on a quick interview with them,
Speaker 1: you know you you you have to like ask, just
Speaker 1: ask and continue to ask, obviously without being a pesturing asshole,
Speaker 1: but you get you get the point, Like, this is
Speaker 1: an accessible industry. These people are are not uh sitting
Speaker 1: there on a high chair with a billion dollar company
Speaker 1: at least yet, so you might you might as well
Speaker 1: do your best to get on conversation, to get on
Speaker 1: phone calls with these people. Yeah, it's your money, take
Speaker 1: it seriously, right, yeah, exactly, And if you're if you're
Speaker 1: like really serious about it, like go meet the company
Speaker 1: in person, like yes, yes, it's it's not gonna be free.
Speaker 1: You know, I paid for almost I paid pretty much
Speaker 1: every single trip leading up to the end of two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, and just now am I starting to
Speaker 1: get covered on some of my flights and expenses and
Speaker 1: accommodations um and still very rarely. But I paid for
Speaker 1: all of those times that I went to Shanghai to
Speaker 1: interview v Chain, to UH interview HPV, like all these
Speaker 1: different major companies, I paid to go visit them. One
Speaker 1: because I wanted to learn more about what they were
Speaker 1: doing and things like that, but too because I knew
Speaker 1: it would provide value to the community, which was a
Speaker 1: whole of the topic. Was a unique proposition that I
Speaker 1: took to to to build what I was building. But like,
Speaker 1: if you're really that passionate about UH, like v Chain,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that if you sent them an email or
Speaker 1: five emails or ten emails, eventually someone's gonna respond and say, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: come over to Shanghai, meet us in person, have a
Speaker 1: tour of our office. Sure, Yeah, and if you're if
Speaker 1: you're going to invest enough money to make that worth it,
Speaker 1: then you definitely should consider that. Um yeah, good stuff,
Speaker 1: all right? So, um, what's next for nine? Where where
Speaker 1: can people keep an eye on you? Where you're gonna
Speaker 1: be at? Um? I mean, I'm gonna be traveling a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in like five ten, maybe fifteen more
Speaker 1: countries this year, so that'll be fun. Um yeah, but
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for a couple of things. Man,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of little I'm even gonna drop
Speaker 1: stuff that people don't know about yet. So one thing
Speaker 1: that I've announced so far is I'm working on an
Speaker 1: app called coin Dust, which I'm really really excited about.
Speaker 1: Coin Dust is UH, it's it's investing your spare change
Speaker 1: in bitcoin and cryptocurrency, so in in my opinion, it's
Speaker 1: going to be the easiest way that you can stack
Speaker 1: SATs and UH and build up your long term bitcoin
Speaker 1: portfolio without even thinking about it. So for example, you
Speaker 1: go to the store, UH, if you buy a water
Speaker 1: bottle for a dollar fifty, it's gonna take it's gonna
Speaker 1: charge two dollars and it's gonna take the extra fifty cents.
Speaker 1: It's gonna immediately invest it in bitcoin for you like
Speaker 1: like like acorns, but for crypto exactly, the same thing
Speaker 1: as acorns, but for crypto exactly. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool concept. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: add that to my list of things that I'm building.
Speaker 1: It's it's close, man. I think we'll have the first
Speaker 1: version the m v P released probably by September at
Speaker 1: the latest, probably October November. Awesome. Yes, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: start testing it, I think in late August beginning September,
Speaker 1: and hopefully get the first version out by the end
Speaker 1: of September. It is the goal, all right. Cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. And then, um, this is something I have
Speaker 1: not announced yet, so you get I'll just share with
Speaker 1: you and with with boom, here we go. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: making an app called bit maps as well. Bit Maps
Speaker 1: is pretty much going to be the weed Maps for cryptocurrency.
Speaker 1: It's gonna show you every single location where you can
Speaker 1: spend cryptocurrency, every location where you can uh find a
Speaker 1: bitcoin a t M and and buy cryptocurrency. Uh. And
Speaker 1: eventually we'll integrate events and other things into it. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's really the goal of bit maps. Dang. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And actually those are two good projects. Yeah, thank you man.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about both of them. That that that one
Speaker 1: should be out in the next like two too and
Speaker 1: a half months hopefully. Um so it should be both
Speaker 1: releasing around the same time. Yeah, yeah, I like both
Speaker 1: of those. And and you know, uh what I what
Speaker 1: I what I like about both of those is like
Speaker 1: those are those are like real world use cases that
Speaker 1: people could use should use, right, And I think that's
Speaker 1: what the industry needs. That we don't need a faster
Speaker 1: freaking protocol are at this point. And uh and you
Speaker 1: don't need any more you don't need me DPPs that
Speaker 1: like can download right now. I was always gonna say,
Speaker 1: like we don't we like, we don't need any more
Speaker 1: of these like quintness DAPs, like these are like real
Speaker 1: world things that people like I would use both of those,
Speaker 1: like I should use both of those, right, And so
Speaker 1: that's what I like to see. Those are those are
Speaker 1: things that I would like to see more people thinking
Speaker 1: about and doing because I think that's what's really going
Speaker 1: to start pushing this space forward. Um yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's that's what I'm I'm an idea guy, right,
Speaker 1: I like to create ideas. I'm good at like marketing
Speaker 1: and things like that. But a matter of fact is
Speaker 1: there's a huge fucking uh barrier or even not even barrier.
Speaker 1: It's just a huge gap between people that are in
Speaker 1: the crypto industry and people that want to get involved
Speaker 1: in the crypto industry. And there's nobody that's focused on
Speaker 1: building solutions to fill that gap or to create a
Speaker 1: bridge for that gap. Uh. And that's what I'm really
Speaker 1: hoping that these two solutions do, as well as some
Speaker 1: other content that I have coming out, Like, I'm really
Speaker 1: hoping to bridge that gap, create better education, but really
Speaker 1: create a simpler on wrap, specifically with coin dust, create
Speaker 1: a simplest on ramp as possible for people to buy
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency and to own their part of their first bit coin. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Alright, good, alright? Great? Well, um, so people,
Speaker 1: I'm sure now we're gonna want to keep up on that.
Speaker 1: Where's the best way? Just to follow you on Twitter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter. If you want to sign up
Speaker 1: for coin dust, you can uh one of the first
Speaker 1: people that will get it on the website, coin dust
Speaker 1: app dot com um. But yeah, man, just follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter and you'll you'll see me tweeting about it
Speaker 1: all day, and of course check out his Involvement podcast.
Speaker 1: If you're not already listening to that, Thank you, sir,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yes, shout out to that as well. Great,
Speaker 1: all right, well, thanks so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody got some good value out of it, and
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