1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: So the big question is this, how do investors like 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: us get access to the ideas, information, and most importantly, 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: the right people that give us the tools and information 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: we need to make conformed and educated decisions to have success. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: That is the question, and this podcast will give us 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: the answers. This is Mark Moss, your host. Let's get 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: this started. Welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. Today, 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I am sitting down with Ni. He is a host 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: of involvement podcast um Titan Ventures, and he has made 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: a transformation from just being a content poster on Twitter 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: all the way to building legitimate businesses in the crypto 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: blockchain space. And he's done it through a very unique 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: path that he's done on his own, traveling the world 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: on his own time to meet people, learn things. Uh 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: an amazing transformation. Has so much insight because of his 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: travels and everyone he's talking to, great conversations that's gone. 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: Just jump right into it, all right, everyone, Welcome to 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: another episode of the Market Disruptors podcast. I am here 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: with Ni today. He's been in the space for a 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: while doing some big things and we've we've been able 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: to keep up a little bit here and there, and 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: I really wanted to dig in. He's got a really 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: good story to tell, So I'm really excited to have 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: this conversation with him today. So let's just jump into 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: it and I I welcome to the show. Hey bro, 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: glad to be on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, awesome. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: So um, you know we've been we've we've kind of 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: been keeping up in touch a little bit here at 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: different events and and talking here and there. I've seen 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: you doing some big things in the space. But for 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't know who you are, why don't you 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: give us a little background of how you got here 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: and what you're doing right now? Yeah? Definitely. So um. 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: In terms of my journey in crypto, I started kind 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of just as a trader, trading all coins and and 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: and trying to make trying to make money. And once 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: I got a little bit deeper into really, once I 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: made it like a decent amount of money, I was 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 1: able to kind of relax a little bit and and 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: uh and look at look at my life and say, Okay, really, 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: what do I want to do next? And when I 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: looked at what I want to do next, I said, 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I've been studying all these all coins. 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: I've been studying this this is this technology, just from 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: the trading perspective, just from the fundamental perspective, Like why 46 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: don't I dive in and actually learn what the ship 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: is about? Like why this is important? You know, there's 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of people that are passionate about it. I know, 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: like a decent amount about it, like much more than 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: your average person, but not to the degree where I 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: could sit down and educate people on it. UM. So 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time traveling. I spent a 53 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: lot of time learning as much as possible UM, talking 54 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: to as many intelligent people as I could, started a 55 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: podcast to learn as much as I can, Still learning 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: a lot every single day. But I found myself just 57 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: in love with the the concept of what this whole 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: industry is about UM, and specifically what bitcoin is about 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: UM and the mission that that it's trying to accomplish UM. 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: And Yeah, that's led me to where I am the day, 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: which is running UH. I run a company called Titan Ventures. UH. 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Titan Ventures has three separate wings. We have a media 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: wing which pretty much runs UH my my podcast. It 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: owns a couple other media sources. And then I have 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: Tightened Labs, which is the second wing of Titan Ventures, 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: which is a startup incubator, which is incubating a few 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: of our own personal ideas right at the moment. And 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: then we have tightened charity where we've worked with companies 69 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: like Finance Charity and things like that to try and 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: help and give back to the people that deserve it 71 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: and need it. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Now I'm 72 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: just curious. You said, Uh, it's really cool to see 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: how you came in as a as a trader. I'm 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: just here to make money, and there's so many entrances 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: into the space. Mine mind really came a little bit 76 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: more ideology from the ideology bind it. But you came 77 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: in from a trader. But then you got sucked in 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: UM and you learned what this big concept is about. 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: So what is that big concept that that you fell 80 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: in love with? Well, for me, it's always been in about, uh, 81 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: what can I do to impact like the people around 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: me and to impact the situations that are going on 83 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: in the world. Like even before Crypto UM, I've been 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: very very passionate about the concept that we we really 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: need to evolve the way that we're thinking. We really 86 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: need to evolve the way that we're living. In order 87 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: to continue living on this planet for the next fifty 88 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: d two hundred years, things need to change, things need 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: to be different. Uh. And so once it once like 90 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I finally got the scope of what was happening, uh, 91 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: in terms of the fact that our entire monitor, the 92 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: monetary system is manipulated and controlled, and specifically manipulated and 93 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: controlled to gain more uh financial benefit for the people 94 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: who already have a lot of money which is really 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: used to fund war and other negative things in in 96 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: our world that that destroy our world. Once I kind 97 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: of got that and I saw how bitcoin could potentially 98 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: disrupt that. That's really what like the click moment for me. Mark, Yeah, 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: that's awesome. So we're all we're all here together fighting 100 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: the good fight, right, but I love it. It's a 101 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: peaceful it's a peaceful fight. We're opting out of the system. 102 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: So the reason why I really was interested to talk 103 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: to you is because you came in kind of like, 104 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, just just to make some money. You kind 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: of started I think maybe started just posting on Twitter 106 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: kind of your thoughts, what you're seeing, whatever. And now 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: you've had this path to now being a builder in 108 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: the space. Right, So, um, I love that. You know, 109 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: we talked to a lot of different people in the space, 110 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: investors or or other people, but um, I want to 111 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: talk to you just because it looks like, I mean, 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: you're obviously proving that there are lots of opportunities for 113 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: people to get involved in this space. Yeah, I mean 114 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest misconception, to be honest with you, 115 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: is there. M hmm. This is the opportunity I saw. 116 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: I saw that as a trader there was at this 117 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: amount of opportunity. You can make good money if you're 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: really really good at what you do. It's a volatile 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: market and and if you're great at it, fantastic you 120 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: can make a ton of money. Um. But if we're 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: talking about like, like money is obviously a good thing. 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: I think it makes it's it's good in the regards 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: that it makes you, like comfortable, but beyond comfortability, it 124 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: doesn't provide other things like happiness, like legacy, like uh, 125 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: improving the general scope of your life beyond comfortability. So 126 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: for me personally, like, I'm really really interested in in legacy, 127 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: in building something that impacts the people around me and 128 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: impacts uh, the goal or mission of what we're doing 129 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: in in whatever things that we're doing so specifically right 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: now in the bitcoin cryptococurrency space. So as things evolved 131 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: for me personally, I saw that there's a bigger opportunity 132 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: to build things, build companies, building ideas, build concepts in 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: the space. Then there is to make money trading, uh, 134 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and you can also make money by buil holding those 135 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: concepts and building those ideas because if we are all 136 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: correct here and this is the next multi trillion dollar industry, 137 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: then you could be building assets and companies right now 138 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: that you might be able to build for ten dollars, 139 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: they could eventually be evaluated at over a million, ten million, 140 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: hundred million UM. So that's that's really where what my 141 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: focus was. That's what I really realized early on UM 142 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: and when people just like, like like you said, like 143 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I just joined because people started to like my tweets, 144 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, and I just kept going because people are like, oh, 145 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: this is cool. And I was really just my thoughts, 146 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: my opinions, and my jokes. And it wasn't until like 147 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: a little bit later, like probably three or four or 148 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: five months after I started sharing my stuff that I 149 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, this can actually be built into 150 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: something way bigger. Uh, and I just took the leap 151 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: and started to do it. Yeah. So I know for 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the last couple of years you have been like on 153 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: the move. Even today, you're travel everywhere. So I I 154 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: and I get asked all the time, how could somebody 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: get involved in the space. There's a lot of people 156 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: like you and I who see what's going on when 157 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: to get involved. And I'm like, well, you could build 158 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: websites or do marketing or whatever, right, all these things. Um, 159 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: so what would you say, Um, for someone who's looking 160 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: to get into this space, I mean, follow your path, 161 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: which is just get out, meet people, see what's going on. No, 162 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily, because I don't think that everybody is like that, right. Um. 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm really good with being in front of people. I'm 164 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: really good with being in front of the public eye. 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm just I thrive in that situation. I thrive under 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: that pressure, even when there's a lot of hate on me, Like, 167 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I thrive in that Like that's how that's what I like. 168 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: I enjoy it because it's it's kind of like the 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: mentality of like, oh, someone says something negative about me, 170 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just work even harder and just stick 171 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: it to their face even more. But not yeah, exactly, 172 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: but not everybody's like that, Like, everybody has different goals 173 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: and ambitions, and UM, I think the first step is 174 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: to like find the place where you're comfortable. And so 175 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: when I was first joined the industry, like I was 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: comfortable in trading. It was easy. I could stay anonymous online, uh, 177 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: and I could share my thoughts and opinions and and 178 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: do live streams with the mask on, right, Like that 179 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: was comfortable for me. Um. And then I then the 180 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: second step is to find like what you're good at naturally, 181 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: Like you probably have skills that you you've been utilizing 182 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: before you got into crypto. Use those skills to uh, 183 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: to become like to to add something to the industry. Right, 184 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: So if your website developers start reaching out to all 185 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: these companies who have horrible fucking websites and just like 186 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: offer your services to them, you know, build a brand 187 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: that way, um And and really that's that's where that's 188 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: where it lies. Is you gotta utilize what you're good 189 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: at and uh and yeah, give it to people. So 190 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: do you think do you think since this space is 191 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: growing so fast that um, there's a lot of need 192 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: for people that have specialty skills. So for example, UM, 193 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: as the space grows, they need to build websites. Um 194 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: And if there were people that knew how to build 195 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: like crypto specific websites, had domain expertise in crypto, they 196 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: could probably do really well. Or let's say that I'm 197 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: a copywriter, but now I learned all about crypto, I 198 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: can write copy for crypto. There's probably big opportunities for me. 199 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: Is that I mean, there's bigger opportunities for anyone. Um, 200 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: if you're like I think first like first step is 201 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: you have to be passionate about this place. You know 202 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, You're not going to stick around for 203 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: the long term. We've seen it in the bear market. 204 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're passionate, is the only way 205 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around for the long term. Yeah, I agree, 206 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: I say, Uh, what I like to say is that 207 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, to be successful, it requires so much hard work, 208 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: and if you're not super passionate, you'll never be able 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: to put the work in required to like get there, right, 210 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, passion for sure follow that exactly. Like when 211 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: you've lost fucking of your money in a bear market, 212 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: and like it's like you, like, the only reason you 213 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: would stay around is to see through what's going on 214 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: with this technology. So yeah, step one, passion step to 215 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: figure out what interests you. You know what I mean 216 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: For me personally, when it first started, like what interested 217 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: me was like making money so that I could be 218 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable because I was in a 219 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: tough financial spot. Um. And then once I had like 220 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: reached that, the third step was like utilizing what I'm 221 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: good at, what my talents are, what my skills are, 222 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: to add value to the industry and the people involved. Yeah, yeah, 223 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: that's perfect. And and I would even encourage people that 224 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: if you if you're interested in something like I'm a 225 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: good writer, I should learn about copyrighting. Great, take a 226 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: course in copyrighting, and then go off for those skills 227 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: to the market even right, they get take it one 228 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: step further, but um, that's great advice. Yeah. So not 229 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: everybody should be out there doing what you're doing, especially 230 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: if you're not a people person and you're kind of 231 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: more introverted. Um that makes sense. Um, So being a 232 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: guy that's that's traveling all the time, I think you 233 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: just got back from Asia, right or Taipei or something 234 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: like that. And it was just in taipeim in Florida 235 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: today and then I'm back in Japan in a week. 236 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's crazy. So, UM, tell me what 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: you're seeing out there on the road, well, going on 238 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: out in the world. It's it's interesting, man, it's interesting. Um. 239 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: I just spent my first month and a half in Asia. 240 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: I haven't done or I've excuse me, Europe, so I 241 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: haven't done Europe before, uh this year, and it's interesting 242 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: to see the different like subcultures. So we have the 243 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: US where people are pretty passionate about it, but they're 244 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: very much passionate, passionate about it from the trading standpoint. 245 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: You know, there are people that are building companies here, 246 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: which is really really cool. But if you go to 247 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: a cryptoconference in the US, UM, it's much more low key, right, 248 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: It's not packed. It's not really full like full with people. Um. 249 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: There are people always trying to sell you stuff, but 250 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: it's not like, uh, it's not like the event to 251 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: be at it. But if you go to Asia, men, 252 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: it's fucking crazy. Like Taiwan. I was just there for 253 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: a b S summit hosted by my good friend Andrew 254 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: and uh, they have everyone there, you know, like sees 255 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: these there, Arthur Hayes is there, No Reel's there. All 256 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: the c NBC guys are there, and it's like a 257 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: hyped event. You know. You walk in there and there 258 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: are like three hundred people in one like small room 259 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: watching uh, like walking through looking at boost. There's another 260 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: five hundred upstairs. You know, there's another two hundred in 261 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: the lobby like having conversations. Um, it's exciting, it's exciting. 262 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's it's that's I think the thing 263 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: that that I can really say is it's literally exciting. 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: It feels like you're in a new environment. And why 265 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: why do you think that is so different than what 266 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: we see in the US. Is it because the US 267 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: is um kind of kicking all this stuff offshore, or 268 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: they're just more into they maybe they see a need 269 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: for the technology more. What do you what do you 270 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: think about that? That's a good question, man. Um. I 271 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: think Asia sees the potential of the industry more in 272 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: my opinion. Uh, there's a lot more people trying to 273 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: build things. There's a lot more people trying to create things. Uh, 274 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: it's really where the hub is, you know when I like, 275 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: when I go there, I'm always hanging out with my 276 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: buddies from Europe. I'm always hanging out with my buddies 277 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: from the US. It seems like everybody seems to congregate, 278 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: uh in Asia, and I think I think it's like 279 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: specifically like they are like the Silicon Valley for crypto. Yeah. 280 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: I did an event with Max Kaiser. He was in 281 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: l a A a week ago. I don't know if 282 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you probably saw that, um, And he was saying, uh, 283 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, people are asking him and they said, he said, 284 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, probably the US might be the last place 285 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: to see real adoption because we had the least need 286 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: for it. People in the US think we don't need 287 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: the problem, you know, we don't need a solution for privacy, 288 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: or I don't need a different money, whereas other countries 289 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: they see this every day, right, Their currencies are crashing, 290 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: their money is being stolen. Um. So do you is 291 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: that kind of what you see when you're out there 292 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: you kind of get that sense? Yeah, I mean I 293 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: I can definitely agree with that, that sense. You know, Um, 294 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily like the topic of conversation at these 295 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: conferences though, Right, So it's not like how do we 296 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: solve our bittens or how do we solve these major 297 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: issues when you're at a cryptoconference, Uh, it's more talking 298 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: about the technology. People are always trying to show you something, um, 299 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily in those conversations. But I could 300 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: see that as a potential reason for these solutions, you 301 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: know specifically like here in the US, Like the matter 302 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: of fact is like people are starting to learn that, 303 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: like they're that the money is is is not good. 304 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: You know that the inflation is is occurring. Um. That 305 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: they're starting to learn about privacy and all these different things, 306 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: but they don't care specifically in my opinion, because uh, 307 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: they haven't had a reaction to what these things can 308 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: do or the potential damage is not like even like 309 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: hit them, So they really can't even like conceptualize the 310 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: potential of what might happen. Right. So then you you 311 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: just spent like you said, a month and a half 312 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: in Europe, obviously a lot of times in the US 313 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: and now Asia, So do you feel that Asia is 314 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: really kind of the hot bed right now? It's like 315 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: the hot area to be A's just A's just number 316 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: one not even a question. You know, Singapore, Hong Kong, 317 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: specifically Korea, South Korea. Soul is like absolutely always popping. 318 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: There's a big event coming up in Singapore sometimes soon 319 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, Singapore Consense will be in in September. 320 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: I'll be out there for that. And then right afterwards 321 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: is Korean Blockchain Week. Yeah, I might need to get 322 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: into that one. I haven't been. I haven't been over 323 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: to Asia and I'm definitely missing out on that. Come 324 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: with us, bro, Come with us So. Um, so you're 325 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: so you're out there, you're seeing, like you said, there's 326 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot more people at these conventions, a lot more 327 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: companies they're exhibiting at the conventions. Um, are you seeing 328 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: any kind of trends? Um? I think you know, we've 329 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: seen like a bunch of you know, new protocol layers 330 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: that were faster. Um. Now I see some maybe like 331 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: some new interest interest and maybe um identity and privacy. 332 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: But what are you seeing as far as like that 333 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: trends out there right now? Right now? Like there isn't 334 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: a super definitive one trend, you know, like last year 335 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen leading into eighteen, like it was just 336 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: protocol season like literally everyone was releasing a protocol like 337 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: every week, you know, like this does a hundred thousand 338 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: transactions for execting in all this bullshit. UM, what I 339 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: do see and what the main trend is is every 340 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: single person who I talked to UM has built something 341 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: and it's fucking cool. Like I I've not been shilled 342 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: like one I c O or one I e O 343 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: Consensus this year or in Taiwan. Everybody that's come up 344 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: to me to like shill me something has been Hey, 345 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: we've built this, we have this working product. What do 346 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: you think? And to me like like, it's such an 347 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: upgrade from two and two eighteen, like where it was 348 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: just a white paper. It was a white paper and 349 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: it was people literally coming up to me and being 350 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: like hey, man, like can you help me pump this token? 351 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, get the funk out of here, 352 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: like it's crazy. It's crazy. So people are much more 353 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: technology focused and much more like a product focus. Yeah. 354 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: So uh it's interesting to hear you say, you know, 355 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: all the BS and the faster transactions and whatnot. You know, 356 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: coming from the space where you were a trader and 357 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: you were you were making money or trading against all 358 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: these these protocols. And I think back then there was 359 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot of thought of maybe these protocols could take off. Um, 360 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: now you call it BS. So has your vision changed 361 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: a little bit? How you look at the industry, the 362 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: assets and it's maybe specifically protocol layers. No, I mean 363 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: I think that they're all all have potential, right, I 364 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: think that a lot of them in two thousand seventeen. Specifically, 365 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't think we see it as much anymore. But 366 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: they utilize specific language to hype their product up without 367 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: having something to back it up. Um. You know there 368 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: was many people claiming ridiculous transactions per second, uh, claiming 369 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: like ridiculous partnerships that weren't actually really true. Uh. And 370 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: it was specifically to manipulate the price of their coin 371 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: coin in order for them to make more money. Um. 372 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: And it's whether it's good, whether it's bad. It happened. 373 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: I see less of it now, which is good. UM. 374 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: And my perspective is still the same, to be honest 375 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: with you, Like, my perspective is like we're in an 376 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: emerging market. In a normal like normal industry startups fail 377 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: in an emerging market, I would even imagine it's probably hired. 378 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: The startups are going to fail. So like anyone that's 379 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: like investing like in the stuff or trading it, they 380 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: have to realize that. You have to look at it 381 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: from that perspective. Um, And I don't give a ship. 382 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: How fucking cool your coin sounds, how good the CEO 383 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: talks on camera, how good? Like the potential points are, 384 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: Like if you're holding anything besides bigcoin long term, it's 385 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: a game. Huh. So that's that's yeah, I kind of 386 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you on that. We'll jump 387 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: into that in a second, but I'm just I was 388 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: just gonna say, you know, for me, my vision of 389 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: the industry has changed from nineteen um, and really just 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: in a sense where like you know, seventeen everything was 391 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: open and now the market has matured so like today, 392 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: like I just don't like, oh, you're a new protocol 393 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: air and you have a million transactions, I don't really care. 394 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: Like that's at this point. I don't think that's enough. Um. 395 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: It seems like the people who are in the protocol 396 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: race today are going to be the winners. Um. You know, 397 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: and and now we're starting to see I think the 398 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: next stage of the volution, which is now building more 399 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: of like the infrastructure and on ramps and and and 400 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: whatnot is now building on top of those protocol airs. 401 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: So I'm curious. You know, you're seeing a bunch of companies. 402 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: What are they building on past protocol airs? I mean 403 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: it seems like still people are building on ethereum. Are 404 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: you seeing EO so are you seeing cosmos? Like? What 405 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: what are people building on? Yeah? Gaming has been really 406 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: focused on EOS. You know, a lot of the games 407 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: that I'd like to talk to talk with, they're they're 408 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: building on the EOS. Uh protocol. Ethereum still number one, man. 409 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: You know, everybody can hate on ethereum the fact that 410 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: it's not scalable yet and all of these different things, 411 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: but Ethereum still number one. People are building on ethereum 412 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: and they're consistently building on ethereum. Do you think don't 413 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: you think the scaling um narrative is kind of dead 414 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: or should be kind of dead? Right? Like I feel like, uh, 415 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: I feel like all the scaling for Bitcoin and ethereum 416 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: happens on layer two and side chains and whatnot. Like, 417 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: can't you do loom? Like you know, I'm you know, 418 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: loom you can create a d p O S side 419 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: chain and that could run just like e O S right, 420 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, yeah, I don't. I don't. I 421 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know much about LOOM specifically, but I do think 422 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: like the concept of like, oh, it's not scalable is 423 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: kind of bullshit, um one, because we don't even have uh, 424 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: the the volume that's necessary for scalability yet, Like right now, 425 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: it would work completely fine to just run it like 426 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: run on ethereum. Maybe if we have another crypto Kitty situation, yes, 427 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: we need to have a much more scalable solution. But 428 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: the matter of fact is like that was during the 429 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: most hyped period of crypto, and it showed us that 430 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: that's a problem, and then it will be it'll be 431 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: an issue if we don't solve it in the future. 432 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: But like from my personal opinion, I think you build 433 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: things and as you build them, they get better. So 434 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: once you have maybe a hundred users on the platform, 435 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna need need to scale to a hundred fifty. 436 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Once you find the scalability for a hundred fifty, you 437 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: get a hundred fifty. It's something that takes time, it's 438 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: something that builds. It's not like something that all of 439 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, like you're going to have Ethereum is fully 440 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: scalable immediately right off the bat, and then a million 441 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: users come on and instantly need to use it, Like, 442 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's how things work, right, Yeah, 443 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. Yeah, that's why I just think 444 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: that the whole scaling argument is just it worked in 445 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I just don't see it as as much today, 446 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: which is why maybe I'm not as excited a new 447 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: protocol ayers when all they're trying to say is they're faster, right. Um, 448 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: So I was just curious. Um, the video game space 449 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: is something that is growing pretty big. Are you You're 450 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of that out there. I have been 451 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: talking to more and more game companies recently. Yeah, I 452 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: was just I just was out in Vegas the last 453 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: two days. Just did a little midweek get away with 454 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: the wife, and it was just interesting to see, like, 455 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Vegas is just so big, and it's just 456 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: like all like old school gambling and then it's all 457 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: like mostly walking through the casino, it's all just still 458 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: slot machines and it's just old people sitting there. And 459 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but having this conversation with my wife. 460 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: She goes crazy because I just always doctor about this stuff. 461 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: And we're at the pool and I'm just like, you 462 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: can see the whole skyline. I'm just like, look at 463 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: all this. It's like it's like old though, Like there's 464 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: all old people right, Like new people don't care about 465 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: hitting the slot machine button. I just can't. I can't 466 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: help but think how like E gaming or e sports 467 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: is just gonna just take that whole just wipe that 468 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: whole thing out. Maybe. Yeah, man, I think the gaming 469 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: is huge, dude, I really do. Um. I haven't studied 470 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: it enough to like be like super educated on the subject, 471 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: but E gaming is big, and personally, like what I'm 472 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: really bullish on is I'm really bullish on like n 473 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: f T s Um. I think n f T gaming 474 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: and s f T gaming is going to be fucking massive. Yeah. 475 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: So when you talk about n f T, so for 476 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: people that don't know, uh, non fungible tokens right. So 477 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: n f T gaming meaning that, um, I can earn 478 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: things in the game that I can keep in control 479 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: and own on my own, and then those could be 480 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: transferred out of the game and my value that I 481 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: could use somewhere else exactly. I mean, I'm not like 482 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: the best example, Like when I was a kid, Pokemon 483 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: was the sucking shit right like and if you had 484 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: like like even now you have a first edition charges 485 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: are my buddies collecting first edition charge arts? At least 486 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: he's trying to do. They're like seventy dollars now they're 487 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: ridiculously expensive. So the but the concept is that is 488 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: the only one that is in existence, and there's one 489 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: of maybe there's like fifty of them ever made in existence. 490 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: Now imagine you utilize that and you put it onto 491 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: a digital platform where you can open card packs online 492 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: and each card it actually has a digital digital signature 493 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: to it that makes it completely unique from the rest, 494 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: and then you can play Pokemon or whatever the game 495 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: is with someone who's across the world utilizing the cars 496 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: that you just opened from a pack. It would be 497 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: like taking my entire childhood of of of these card 498 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: games and moving it into a digital atmosphere that allows 499 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: me to play without borders. And I think that is like, 500 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: I think it's the like realistically, I think it's the 501 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: a like adoption should be like really occurring first, And 502 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: I think it's a fucking trillion dollar industry. Yeah, I 503 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: think all this is kind of the same, right, So 504 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: it seems like this is it's all about value. So 505 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: if I'm playing that video game, I'm creating value, and 506 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: I should be able to keep that value and transferred over. 507 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: But it's also all these other tokens are kind of 508 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: the same, where it's like, um, unlocking value out of 509 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: all these silos. I was kind of explained to my wife, 510 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: how you know, it would be no different than using 511 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: my airline reward points or you know, we're at the casino, 512 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: you know in Vegas, Like I could take those reward 513 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: points and then we could interchange those And so, whether 514 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: that be reward points or whether it be in video games, 515 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: it's always about us being sovereign, having the sovereignty to 516 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: own our value and transfer that value around. UM. So 517 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: that's really cool. I think, Uh, we'll have to see 518 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: if the video game makers will get on board with 519 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: that though, right, that's gonna be a big hurdle, I know, man, 520 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: I like, I want to talk to Pokemon about it, 521 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I just want to be like, dude, 522 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: you guys need to fucking create this like right now, um, 523 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: because then then you have a whole new atmosphere. You 524 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: have a whole new gaming platform and a whole new 525 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: way that people can like trade and get excited about 526 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: their games again. You know, I don't give a shit 527 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: about Pokemon cards anymore, but maybe I would if it 528 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: was on my phone. Yeah, it's interesting to watch, um. 529 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: You know I I love to study history and if 530 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: you look at if you look at history, you can 531 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: kind of tell the future. And we can look at 532 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: like how the music industry transformed and even the movie industry. 533 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: So when the VCR first came out, Disney was super 534 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: scared to let their movies go out on on on 535 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: VCR or VHS because you know, how are the how 536 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: are people gonna go to the movie theaters? And then 537 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: within the music industry kind of the same way that 538 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: whole deal over streaming music, Well, who's gonna buy the 539 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: albums anymore? But they always find a new way. And 540 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: I see the video game industry in the same place today, 541 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: which is well, if we don't keep people locked in 542 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: how we make money. But I think the evolution is 543 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: just like the music industry, they'll find another way. And uh, 544 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: whoever jumps on it first, Like you're saying, I think 545 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the big winner there, agreed. Now, Um, 546 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: you had made a comment a little while a little 547 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: bit back where you said that maybe everyone should just 548 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: buy and hold bitcoin. Yeah, I mean yes, I mean 549 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm not a big bitcoin maximalist by any means, right, Like, 550 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: I really believe that a lot of these companies have potential. 551 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: I work with a lot of these companies, and it's 552 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: not just potential of the idea and like the new 553 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: implement implementation of technology, but it's the the potential of 554 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: the people, you know. I think that's what changed for 555 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: me a lot from two thousand seventeen, two eighteen to 556 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: like now is the fact that I've been meeting these 557 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: companies in person. I've been talking to them face to face, 558 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: and you get a whole different sense of what's going 559 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: on when you talk to them. Besides, when you read 560 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: a web white paper and look at a website, it's 561 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: a completely different understanding of what they're trying to do. 562 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: It's a completely different energy because you actually get to 563 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: tell whether they're passionate about it or not. You actually 564 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: get to see their emotions. Um, So what I'm getting 565 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: as a by no means my bit bitcoin maximum list. 566 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: I do believe a lot of these have potential, but 567 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: I also believe that if you stick to one specific 568 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: project that's not Bitcoin, you say this is the future, 569 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: you're gambling. You don't know that. No one knows that. 570 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, like probably nine of these companies 571 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: are going to fail. Um. And if you really believe 572 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: in something that heavily like that's that's fucking commitment. I 573 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: applaud you on that, But I just don't believe that 574 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: anything is guaranteed to be a lot around for the 575 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: next ten years. Besides Bitcoin, Yeah, definitely, Well bitcoin has 576 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: tenures of history, so the longer it's around them, more 577 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: likely it will will continue to be around. And I 578 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: would say, you know, again, the industry has changed and 579 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: so um if people did want to get into these 580 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: smaller plays, they need to understand the risks that are 581 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: there and they need to allocate their portfolios appropriately. So 582 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: a bigger percentage should definitely be in the safer stuff 583 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: like bitcoin and ethereum, and then make sure you know 584 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: these moonshots that you're taking with the small companies are 585 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: a small portion of a portion of your allocations, I agreed, 586 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Ad? Agree it? I mean, 587 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I've definitely I've got probably more than I should in 588 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: in some all coins you know, like I mean ten percent, 589 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like is in some some 590 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: all coin plays ten that's some all coin plays that like, 591 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: I actually like have spoken with the teams, I've interviewed them. Um, 592 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I have spoken with the community, and based upon all 593 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: these different factors that I've looked at, obviously the technology 594 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: that they're attempting to build, based upon these different factors 595 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: that I looked at, I can see like, wow, this 596 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: has potential. Uh yeah, I might lose all this fucking money, 597 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: but I'm willing to bet that amount of money that 598 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: they will do something cool. Now, you're obviously, as we 599 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: talked about, you're on the move, you're out there, you're 600 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: talking to these companies, you're meeting with these companies, you're 601 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: even going to their facilities and meeting their teams. But 602 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: the average person isn't able to do that. So, um, 603 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: what kind of due diligence could somebody do on their own? 604 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is the fact is, yeah, like 605 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: one obviously read the website, white paper, blah blah blah. 606 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: But the fact is, like you should be able to 607 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: contact almost every single CEO in this industry, unless you're like, 608 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: unless it's Charles Hockinson or or someone like Justin's son, 609 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're not probably not gonna be able to 610 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: get on a one on one phone call with them 611 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: because they're freaking doing their own thing. They've already got big, 612 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: big money and all this other stuff. But if you're 613 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: talking about under top fifty coin, um, some even in 614 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: the top fifty, you will be able to get these 615 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: people on the phone with you. Um, you just gotta 616 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: like be persistent. You gotta go in there telegram. You've 617 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: got to talk to their team members, asked the team Uh, 618 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: if you can jump on a quick interview with them, 619 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: you know you you you have to like ask, just 620 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: ask and continue to ask, obviously without being a pesturing asshole, 621 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: but you get you get the point, Like, this is 622 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: an accessible industry. These people are are not uh sitting 623 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: there on a high chair with a billion dollar company 624 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: at least yet, so you might you might as well 625 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: do your best to get on conversation, to get on 626 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: phone calls with these people. Yeah, it's your money, take 627 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: it seriously, right, yeah, exactly, And if you're if you're 628 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: like really serious about it, like go meet the company 629 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: in person, like yes, yes, it's it's not gonna be free. 630 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, I paid for almost I paid pretty much 631 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: every single trip leading up to the end of two 632 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, and just now am I starting to 633 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: get covered on some of my flights and expenses and 634 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: accommodations um and still very rarely. But I paid for 635 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: all of those times that I went to Shanghai to 636 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: interview v Chain, to UH interview HPV, like all these 637 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: different major companies, I paid to go visit them. One 638 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: because I wanted to learn more about what they were 639 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: doing and things like that, but too because I knew 640 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: it would provide value to the community, which was a 641 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: whole of the topic. Was a unique proposition that I 642 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: took to to to build what I was building. But like, 643 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: if you're really that passionate about UH, like v Chain, 644 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure that if you sent them an email or 645 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: five emails or ten emails, eventually someone's gonna respond and say, yeah, sure, 646 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: come over to Shanghai, meet us in person, have a 647 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: tour of our office. Sure, Yeah, and if you're if 648 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: you're going to invest enough money to make that worth it, 649 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: then you definitely should consider that. Um yeah, good stuff, 650 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: all right? So, um, what's next for nine? Where where 651 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: can people keep an eye on you? Where you're gonna 652 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: be at? Um? I mean, I'm gonna be traveling a lot. 653 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm in like five ten, maybe fifteen more 654 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: countries this year, so that'll be fun. Um yeah, but 655 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for a couple of things. Man, 656 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I got a couple of little I'm even gonna drop 657 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: stuff that people don't know about yet. So one thing 658 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: that I've announced so far is I'm working on an 659 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: app called coin Dust, which I'm really really excited about. 660 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: Coin Dust is UH, it's it's investing your spare change 661 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 1: in bitcoin and cryptocurrency, so in in my opinion, it's 662 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: going to be the easiest way that you can stack 663 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: SATs and UH and build up your long term bitcoin 664 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: portfolio without even thinking about it. So for example, you 665 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: go to the store, UH, if you buy a water 666 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: bottle for a dollar fifty, it's gonna take it's gonna 667 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: charge two dollars and it's gonna take the extra fifty cents. 668 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna immediately invest it in bitcoin for you like 669 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: like like acorns, but for crypto exactly, the same thing 670 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: as acorns, but for crypto exactly. So I'm excited about that. 671 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a really cool concept. I'm excited to 672 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: add that to my list of things that I'm building. 673 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: It's it's close, man. I think we'll have the first 674 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: version the m v P released probably by September at 675 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: the latest, probably October November. Awesome. Yes, So we're gonna 676 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: start testing it, I think in late August beginning September, 677 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: and hopefully get the first version out by the end 678 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: of September. It is the goal, all right. Cool. Yeah, 679 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: that's exciting. And then, um, this is something I have 680 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: not announced yet, so you get I'll just share with 681 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: you and with with boom, here we go. Um, I'm 682 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: making an app called bit maps as well. Bit Maps 683 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: is pretty much going to be the weed Maps for cryptocurrency. 684 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna show you every single location where you can 685 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: spend cryptocurrency, every location where you can uh find a 686 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: bitcoin a t M and and buy cryptocurrency. Uh. And 687 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: eventually we'll integrate events and other things into it. Um. 688 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's really the goal of bit maps. Dang. Yeah, 689 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: And actually those are two good projects. Yeah, thank you man. 690 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited about both of them. That that that one 691 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: should be out in the next like two too and 692 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: a half months hopefully. Um so it should be both 693 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: releasing around the same time. Yeah, yeah, I like both 694 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: of those. And and you know, uh what I what 695 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: I what I like about both of those is like 696 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: those are those are like real world use cases that 697 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: people could use should use, right, And I think that's 698 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: what the industry needs. That we don't need a faster 699 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: freaking protocol are at this point. And uh and you 700 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: don't need any more you don't need me DPPs that 701 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: like can download right now. I was always gonna say, 702 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: like we don't we like, we don't need any more 703 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: of these like quintness DAPs, like these are like real 704 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: world things that people like I would use both of those, 705 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: like I should use both of those, right, And so 706 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: that's what I like to see. Those are those are 707 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: things that I would like to see more people thinking 708 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: about and doing because I think that's what's really going 709 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: to start pushing this space forward. Um yeah, man, I 710 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: mean that's that's that's what I'm I'm an idea guy, right, 711 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: I like to create ideas. I'm good at like marketing 712 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: and things like that. But a matter of fact is 713 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: there's a huge fucking uh barrier or even not even barrier. 714 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: It's just a huge gap between people that are in 715 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: the crypto industry and people that want to get involved 716 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: in the crypto industry. And there's nobody that's focused on 717 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: building solutions to fill that gap or to create a 718 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: bridge for that gap. Uh. And that's what I'm really 719 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: hoping that these two solutions do, as well as some 720 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: other content that I have coming out, Like, I'm really 721 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: hoping to bridge that gap, create better education, but really 722 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: create a simpler on wrap, specifically with coin dust, create 723 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: a simplest on ramp as possible for people to buy 724 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: cryptocurrency and to own their part of their first bit coin. Yeah, yeah, 725 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: I love it. Alright, good, alright? Great? Well, um, so people, 726 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure now we're gonna want to keep up on that. 727 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: Where's the best way? Just to follow you on Twitter? Yeah, 728 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter. If you want to sign up 729 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: for coin dust, you can uh one of the first 730 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: people that will get it on the website, coin dust 731 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: app dot com um. But yeah, man, just follow me 732 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter and you'll you'll see me tweeting about it 733 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: all day, and of course check out his Involvement podcast. 734 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: If you're not already listening to that, Thank you, sir, 735 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yes, shout out to that as well. Great, 736 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: all right, well, thanks so much for taking the time. 737 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody got some good value out of it, and 738 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: then we'll talk to you again soon. Hell yeah, brother, 739 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: thank you. Hey. If you like this episode of The 740 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Market Disruptors Podcast, please help us take this to the 741 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: top of the podcast charts. Just please do me a 742 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: favor and rate, review and subscribe. Taking fifteen seconds to 743 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: just leave a quick review goes a long way in 744 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: helping us reach more people and disrupt more markets. I 745 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: really appreciate you listening, and I'll see you next time 746 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: on The Market Distructors Podcast.