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Speaker 1: you part of a livestream conversation on Tuesday that I

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Speaker 1: did with Matthew Galt, who I brought on to talk

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Speaker 1: about Iran's weird slopaganda war with the United States amidst

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Speaker 1: the actual war that's going on right now. If you

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Speaker 1: want to catch the next one live, you can find

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Speaker 1: that on YouTube and link for that is in a description.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to another live episode of the kill Switch podcast.

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Speaker 1: And today we're talking about the AI slopaganda proxy war

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Speaker 1: thing that's happening between the US and Iran. And the

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Speaker 1: person who's breaking down all that with us is Matthew Galt,

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Speaker 1: who and I'm just gonna read your bio here because

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually very relevant. Matthew Galt is a

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Speaker 1: writer covering tech, nuclear war, and video games, and those

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Speaker 1: three things sound like they maybe don't fit together, but

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Speaker 1: that is precisely the Venn diagram. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: need to have this discussion today. Matthew Golt's also the

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Speaker 1: host of the Angry Planet podcast, and right now you

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Speaker 1: have a piece in four four media it is called

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Speaker 1: Iran is winning the AI slop propaganda war. So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna play this so people have an idea of what

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Speaker 1: it is we're even talking about.

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Speaker 2: You crossed the hose and just to finding granted sacrifice

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Speaker 2: John Boyce for a lot listen, Yeah, yeah, make America

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Speaker 2: grand game at your tales.

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Speaker 1: For those people who are not seeing this and are

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Speaker 1: listening to this, can you describe this? What are we

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Speaker 1: seeing here?

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Speaker 3: So we begin with lego' Donald Trump in a casino

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Speaker 3: and he is uh, he's rolling the dice and they

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Speaker 3: come up snake eyes but instead of the two pips,

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Speaker 3: it is the flags of Iran. And then kind of

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Speaker 3: the theme of the thing is Donald Trump is slowly

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Speaker 3: dragged farther and farther and farther into Hell along with

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Speaker 3: the soldiers that he is getting killed because Iran is

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Speaker 3: killing them with missiles. And it's you know, mixing some

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Speaker 3: hell imagery, mixing some Benjamin net and Yahoo. And this

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Speaker 3: is all again I must stress for the listener in lego.

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Speaker 2: Forma make America great again?

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Speaker 1: Now we would you would see what happens. Yeah, watch

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Speaker 1: this SECU defense we're protecting this sort of why you sacrifice?

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Speaker 4: So just the pay for your spoil you put you

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Speaker 4: ran the blow sitting on your throne.

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Speaker 1: Now we turning in every base into a bed of stone.

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Speaker 4: It's a smothout, a trap you couldn't see.

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Speaker 1: Welcome sitting the graveyard of you, vanity. The secrets Russia

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Speaker 1: is rising.

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Speaker 4: We locked on the dog and now you are hide

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Speaker 4: lo o s s Yeah, we're spelling that to mag.

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Speaker 1: Send them took a Sada.

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Speaker 4: You don't even want to play bleeding forth talking while

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Speaker 4: you're shaking in your sweet losc say.

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Speaker 5: That defeat that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. I just need to pause because I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing you nodding your head and I'm also nodding. I

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Speaker 3: It's petchy, right, like the song really makes it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not good, but it's kind of good.

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Speaker 3: It's effective. Effective is maybe the right word.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the right word. Let's keep going because

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Speaker 1: there's more to here. That was spelling that you mag

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Speaker 1: send them to Sada. You the only want to play.

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Speaker 4: Being for kocked up while you're shaking in your sweet

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Speaker 4: los siks in.

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Speaker 1: You see hot enough things goes. You sent your boys down.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and of course we've got Epstein files every basically

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Speaker 3: every Iranian propaganda video. Make sure that you remember that

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is in the Epstein files, that the Epstein

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Speaker 3: files exist. Yeah, we've got him in a h an

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Speaker 3: amount of skulls. And it says hiding Epstein's.

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Speaker 4: Coast if you think you boys down bloody coast, not

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Speaker 4: of revenge, but the.

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Speaker 1: Leadst blood is purely mind. Every drop of his.

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Speaker 4: Blood is a missing on thee.

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Speaker 1: You guys just took him out, thought the file was dead.

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Speaker 4: But another common name is standing in the head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you strike one. Damn we just sat at your brain.

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Speaker 4: We put another in the common day Again, the secrets.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how you even found this?

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Speaker 3: Well, its kind of speaks to the whole thing, like

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Speaker 1: There's just there's a whole lore, there's a lot what

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Speaker 3: So they got looks like they got I don't know

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Speaker 3: But they're called the Explosive News Team. I'm taking for

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Speaker 3: granted that they are based in or On. I don't

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Speaker 3: it's you can't not spread them around. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's two things to bring up there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one is that yeah, it has that aichine

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Speaker 1: It's it's not really something that like pisces us off

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Speaker 3: And because this is Lego, it lends itself right, Like

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Speaker 3: So it's been a raw I mean, Iran's been doing

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Speaker 3: Lego is a popular form for propaganda, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's because it's ubiguitous and like everybody likes Lego. It's

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Speaker 1: So the songs, we can say, the songs are obviously

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Speaker 3: Well, That's the thing is like this is not a

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Speaker 3: AI videos to speak to that specifically. Right, there's the

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Speaker 3: image of the casket with the flag draped over it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you use you have this really interesting line, And honestly,

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Speaker 1: to Matthew about this. Iran's use of lego set rap

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Speaker 1: music tells us it's been studying us. These are videos

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Speaker 3: So it's rap music's very popular, it's the it's the

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Speaker 3: generating posts like you're one of these ai ai slot farms,

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Speaker 3: is a student of like AI generated content to learn

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Speaker 3: like that's why you have shrimp Jesus, because they know

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Speaker 1: We definitely, I mean, listen, you're not incorrect. So some people,

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Speaker 1: some people like shrimp more than Jesus. But if you

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Speaker 1: You can eat shrimp buffet and you know, do you

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Speaker 1: go to church, you get positive reactions, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Maybe sometimes depending on the person, you might get more

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Speaker 1: tell you about America. Yeah, there it is. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back after the break. There's other videos, right, So

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Speaker 1: what does some of these other videos look like? And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the one that's really striking that I that

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Speaker 5: Why did you attack the Monov school? Go on, lie, lie, Lie?

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Speaker 3: We care deeply about the Iranian people. But I think

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Speaker 3: This is like aging millennial thinking that they're on the

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Speaker 3: top of the culture when actually they're the losers, right,

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Speaker 3: That's what this is. This is the because the comps director,

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Speaker 3: who's you've got retweeting the White House thing with the

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Speaker 3: infinite Ammo cheat from Grand Theft Auto san Andres. I

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Speaker 3: think he's in his mid forties. I believe could be

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Speaker 3: completely wrong, but he's he's he's an old millennial. He

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Speaker 3: probably knows what his Harry Potter house is. He's that

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Speaker 3: kind of and so like all of that stuff from

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Speaker 3: when he was a kid that he thinks, he still

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Speaker 3: thinks is so cool. The broader culture has mostly moved

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Speaker 3: on from yeah, and he has seen so often that

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Speaker 3: they think it's cringe and so like, he's playing to

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Speaker 3: other people that are exactly like him, that aren't that

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Speaker 3: don't like keep up with memetic culture, or aren't interested

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Speaker 3: in changing or learning or in like he's still obsessed

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Speaker 3: with the same games and the same memes from twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago and It's kind of funny to watch the

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Speaker 3: White House, like like you do the CJ thing once, right,

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Speaker 3: like oh shit, here we go again, and then like

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Speaker 3: that that's it, and then maybe you cut to something else.

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Speaker 3: But to do it like three or four times in

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Speaker 3: a row, it's just like that's it all over, right.

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Speaker 3: It's just repeating the same tired stuff for a small

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Speaker 3: audience that helps you get into power that mostly foments

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Speaker 3: on like four chan and places like that. And like, meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: we're all paying four dollars a gallon for gas and

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Speaker 3: we blew up a girls' school in Iran. Cool.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the really interesting things

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Speaker 1: here is that, listen, the United States in the past

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Speaker 1: took these sorts of things really seriously. If foreign actors enemies, right,

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Speaker 1: people on the other side of the war were trying

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Speaker 1: to appeal to existing divisions that existed in US society,

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Speaker 1: The United States took this stuff really seriously. Let me

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Speaker 1: pull this up. This is an official internal memo that

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Speaker 1: was at one point confidential in the Navy. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna read you the opening paragraph of it. Resume of

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Speaker 1: Japanese influence on the knee he grows in the United States.

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Speaker 1: It is quite apparent that the present policy of the

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Speaker 1: Japanese government to exploit the Negroes in order to precipitate

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Speaker 1: a major internal security problem in the United States is

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Speaker 1: based upon previous steps in this direction, which indicate that

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Speaker 1: racial agitation may well be incorporated as a definite part

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Speaker 1: of Japan's program for world supremacy end quote. Basically saying

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Speaker 1: here that the United States at one point the policy,

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Speaker 1: I think, broadly speaking, the United States broad point was

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Speaker 1: we need to make sure that the American people and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world believe that we are on

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Speaker 1: the side of justice and we are doing the morally

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Speaker 1: correct thing. And if some other power tried to give

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Speaker 1: the impression that the United States is morally incorrect, the

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Speaker 1: US had to counterac that we're now seeing it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really seem like they're trying to win anybody over.

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Speaker 3: Just like you said, well, yeah, think about like two

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Speaker 3: like think about Afghanistan and Iraq. Push signs a legislation

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Speaker 3: that opens the door for reporters to imbed with soldiers,

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Speaker 3: like very closely, to follow them, to report on what

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Speaker 3: they're seeing like actively. And yes, there's like people were

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Speaker 3: dog walked and were shown certain things, and like it

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Speaker 3: had varying levels of transparency, but like you did have

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Speaker 3: an independent press on the ground with soldiers like right

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Speaker 3: next to them, reporting on things as they come. And

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Speaker 3: we like we sent Cole and Powell to the UN

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Speaker 3: to make the case for why this was why it

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Speaker 3: was righteous to go in to Iraq, like why we

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Speaker 3: needed to find these weapons of mass destruction. And you're right,

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Speaker 3: it was America making the case that it was morally

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Speaker 3: it had been hit, it's people had been killed, and

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Speaker 3: we were morally in the right to do what we

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Speaker 3: were doing. Trump says, first of all, like really much

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Speaker 3: of an there's there's there's a couple of people left

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Speaker 3: at the Pentagon Press Corps, but most of it is

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Speaker 3: like restrictions are continuing further and further, you know, they

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Speaker 3: want to get journalists in trouble who are reporting on

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Speaker 3: things that they don't like. And so what we're left

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Speaker 3: with is a guy that says, actually, we're the strongest

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna hurt everyone because we can. And here's

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Speaker 3: a funny meme about it. And we're left with these

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Speaker 3: videos of like war from a distance cut with twenty

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Speaker 3: year old you know, video games, and like that just

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Speaker 3: doesn't like, doesn't strike a resonance with Americans or anyone

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Speaker 3: at all except for like a very narrow part of

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Speaker 3: the administration and the supporters that are like kind of

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Speaker 3: bullies and sociopaths, right, Like who likes this kind of stuff?

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Speaker 1: So maybe I'm gonna ask you an obvious question here,

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Speaker 1: But listen, there's plenty of discussion about physically, how is

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Speaker 1: the war going? All signs point toward not so hot

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Speaker 1: for the United States. What about the mem war? Who's winning?

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Speaker 3: Who's winning? I mean, Iran's winning the meme War. One

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Speaker 3: of my bell weathers is because I don't, like, I

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Speaker 3: don't live in a major media city. Most of the

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Speaker 3: people I interact with all day don't have any idea

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Speaker 3: what's like They're blissfully ignorant of a lot of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So it's like when one of those people walk up,

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Speaker 3: walks up to me and is like, have you seen

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Speaker 3: this this lego Iran? Like, it's like, okay, then it's hitting,

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Speaker 3: it's it's piercing through. If the people of South Carolina

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Speaker 3: are asking me if I've seen an Iranian lego video,

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Speaker 3: then yet like, yes, it's it's resonating with people, for sure,

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Speaker 3: And I think most people don't know, like don't know

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Speaker 3: why America has gone to war with Iran or are

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Speaker 3: not convinced by the thirteen different reasons we've been given.

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Speaker 3: But I also think that like Iran probably not doing

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Speaker 3: so hot either. I think this is gonna be one

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Speaker 3: of those things where I think that we can bomb

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Speaker 3: a lot of infrastructure away and we can reduce the

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Speaker 3: size of their military. But like you don't win a

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Speaker 3: war with a with an aerial bombing campaign, you don't

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Speaker 3: win hearts and minds with an aerial bombing campaign. And

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Speaker 3: I think that Iran knows that all it has to

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Speaker 3: do is survive like probably a year, get to the

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Speaker 3: mid terms. They know when the they know when the

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Speaker 3: American midterms are, and so all they have to do

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Speaker 3: is keep keep putting out the lego videos and keep

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Speaker 3: defending themselves and tunnel deeper in and keep making missiles.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he.

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Speaker 3: Gets bored and the Americans don't like it.

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Speaker 1: So that's actually a good point for people who are

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Speaker 1: watching this kind of bizarre mean more play out. Right now,

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Speaker 1: what do you think people should be paying attention to?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I have maybe a weird answer their own feelings. Uh,

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Speaker 3: watch your watch your heart. You're not immune to propaganda,

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Speaker 3: so I think that you can. You can be motivated

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Speaker 3: by like the White House's memes a different way. And

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Speaker 3: this is something that I struggle with every day. I

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Speaker 3: got a lot of like poison flowing around in the

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Speaker 3: old ticker right now, because I'm like a lot of

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Speaker 3: this stuff just makes me very upset and angry, and

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Speaker 3: just like this stuff is meant to get a quick

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Speaker 3: emotional reaction out of you, both both sides of it,

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Speaker 3: and just be aware of that and like watch that

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Speaker 3: and wonder if, like what what's the intended effect? Is

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Speaker 3: it having that effect on me? And do I need

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Speaker 3: to step away for a second, whether that's you know,

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Speaker 3: a really amazing, amazing, a really catchy lego rap song

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Speaker 3: or like a terrible video of we sports explosions like

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Speaker 3: either one. Yeah, sometimes it's sometimes you need to to

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Speaker 3: push away just a little bit and watch yourself. It's

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Speaker 3: got a lot of years left of this whatever this is,

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Speaker 3: and we got to be careful with ourselves and with

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Speaker 3: other people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, Well, with that, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming to once again, Matt Tew. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We got to have you on a gag because this

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Speaker 1: this this tech stuff doesn't just stay inside the computer.

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Speaker 1: It's it gets out at all of us.

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Speaker 3: It's all of our it's all of our lives now everywhere,

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Speaker 3: all the time. Yeah, this is the water water we swimming.

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Speaker 1: Everything is computer. Thank you so much to Matthew Gilt

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Speaker 1: for joining us on our second live stream, and thank

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