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Speaker 1: Welcome to the two NFL Draft Recap Podcast. Our draft

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Speaker 1: coverage on Jaguars dot Com is presented by a Cadillac

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Speaker 1: Jap Shadrick Fuck you Brooks, Ashlan Sullivan, John Osian wrapping

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Speaker 1: up round one and what a day, what a night

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Speaker 1: it was with the Jacksonville Jaguars. The number one overall

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Speaker 1: pick Trayvon Walker, the number twenty seven overall pick Devin Lloyd. Defense, Defense, Defense,

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Speaker 1: John Trayvon Walker. Let's start with that one up front,

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Speaker 1: number one, just overall, it surprised me. You could not

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Speaker 1: expect Trayvon to a degree. I didn't expect the combination

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Speaker 1: of two. I didn't expect them to go uh defense

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Speaker 1: so hard. It's an interesting approach because some people believe

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Speaker 1: you can build a defense in free agency quickly. They

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Speaker 1: have chosen to go physical, versatile. Up front, Trayvon Walker, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the storyline with him is gonna be obvious.

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Speaker 1: Will the NFL production exceed the college production? And will

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Speaker 1: all of the potential which is vast uh be fulfilled?

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's the storyline for the first couple

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Speaker 1: think obviously that's gonna be the storyline. And it's funny

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Speaker 1: because the Devin Lloyd pick comes at the end of

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Speaker 1: the draft, and I want to say it overshadows the

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick, but I think the surprise with

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Speaker 1: uh for the Jaguars to make an aggressive move to

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Speaker 1: get that him. Absolutely, absolutely, because I think he's one

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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the draft now

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Speaker 1: in total with the first round Trayvon war the combination

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Speaker 1: something to get excited about because the opportunity to put

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Speaker 1: two versa or athletes on the field, two guys that

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Speaker 1: are very disruptive, very physical in their play, but more

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Speaker 1: important than guys who really love ball. I think you

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Speaker 1: we're getting inside access from Las Vegas. Brian Sexton just

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Speaker 1: interviewed Devon Lloyd and he said that he asked him, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are you bringing to Jackson and goes, I'm just

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Speaker 1: a good person, that's all. He said. Well, you need

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Speaker 1: more of that here in Jacksonville, just good people need

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Speaker 1: more that on his desk. Okay, he'll fit right in here.

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Speaker 1: We'll save a cheer for him. Uh. You know the word.

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Speaker 1: The word that they used a lot in that press

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Speaker 1: It wasn't seventeen times. A handful of times. At least

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Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense. He played a lot

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Speaker 1: of places in Athens, Bucky, and he was on the

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Speaker 1: by percentage of any defensive lineman on that very good

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Speaker 1: Georgia team. Yeah, Swiss Army Knife, I mean, really the epitome.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy who played anywhere from right over top

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Speaker 1: And now it's a banner of trying to determine was

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Speaker 1: to us spot for him. It's it's tough to do

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Speaker 1: um a lot with young players because you're trying to

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Speaker 1: learn your way, But the versatility is his strength, and

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Speaker 1: so how do they unlock that tap into that very

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Speaker 1: thought it was telling Bucky, I I asked you on

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Speaker 1: Doug and you all those scoutings you sort of know

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Speaker 1: how GM's minds work. Were you surprised that they went

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Speaker 1: Devon Lloyd pick after this. Welcome back to the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft Recap podcast. After Round number one, j P Shadrick,

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Ashlan Sullivan, John Osier, the Jaguars trade three

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Speaker 1: Like it's really weird, man. I think sometimes in these

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Speaker 1: In the athletics, I mean, he didn't run as fast

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