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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to Caitlin Clark in a second. Urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer making news on Nick Saban today. But first I

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Speaker 1: want to bring in Dan Woike right from the athletic

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Speaker 1: and covers the Lakers, because I have said this time

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Speaker 1: of the year, breadcrumbs and rumors become headlines.

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Speaker 3: I don't Lebron's got to no trade clause. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player, and if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna move him now, it's not the time you've upgraded

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Speaker 1: at center JJ Reddick second year. So let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of rumors. Everybody's got an opinion.

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Speaker 1: It's July. Do you think the new ownership group is

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Speaker 1: even had a discussion on moving Lebron Dan.

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Speaker 4: I don't because it's not their decision, right Colin I mean,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned in the previous segment, Lebron James a is a

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Speaker 4: no trade clause, and so the order of operations here

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Speaker 4: would have to be a request from Lebron James. I

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Speaker 4: don't believe the Lakers are going to come to Lebron

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Speaker 4: will you accept it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: I think it would have to be the other way around.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Lakers are very comfortable, you know,

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Speaker 4: being in this stage of the Lebron James business, despite

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Speaker 4: sort of the inherent uncomfortabilities of it, the fact that

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Speaker 4: you don't know with any certainty how much longer he's

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Speaker 4: going to be able to play at this level, and

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Speaker 4: the pressure, particularly the win now pressure that his presence

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Speaker 4: signed for this last chapter of his career and has

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Speaker 4: just gone on and on and on. So that's kind

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Speaker 4: of I really don't think it's ownership thing. I think

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Speaker 4: it's sort of, you know, he still kind of controls

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Speaker 4: his destiny in that way. The leverage that the Lakers

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Speaker 4: have and all this is that they were the team

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Speaker 4: with the option, you know, he had opted to their

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Speaker 4: contract at fifty four million dollars, and I think that

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Speaker 4: to me, he's on the Lakers. He is moving like

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Speaker 4: a person who is on the Lakers. Could that change?

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Speaker 4: Could Trading him can be really, really difficult with the

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Speaker 4: second Apron rolls, a buyout to me doesn't really seem

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Speaker 4: like the type of thing that he would pursue, kind

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Speaker 4: of the antithesis of how he's operated. So Eve on

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Speaker 1: How confident are they in the Luca extension? Again, the

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Speaker 1: new Aprons can be punitive. He has lost weight. I

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Speaker 1: mean the pictures of him now, so he's lost forty pounds.

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Speaker 3: When would that happen? How certain are you it's going

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Speaker 4: It's going to be early August. I'm here, he's extension

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Speaker 4: alogical August. Second, I think they're really confident Colin. I

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Speaker 4: when they made the deal to get him, I think

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Speaker 4: they were confident that they would be able to secure

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Speaker 4: there are things about Los Angeles. It's not like, you know,

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Speaker 4: the one thing that we know about Lukaanacic is he

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Speaker 4: It's just kind of a matter for how long.

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Speaker 3: There are stars everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Because he's not a great defender, but he is a

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think on paper it's a pretty good fit.

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Speaker 4: they pretty quickly moved off at Jackson as they didn't

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Speaker 4: went centerless. Yander Ayton at his worst is a productive

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Speaker 4: seven footer who's a double double machine if he's motivated

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Speaker 4: at his best, like he was you know in Phoenix

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Speaker 4: athletic than I think people realize. He's young, twenty six

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Speaker 4: years old, and he's inexpensive. You know, Laker, they're paying

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Speaker 4: eight million dollars for this contract. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: really good fit and maintained some future flexibility. It's a

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Speaker 4: really good opportunity for him, Colin, you know, to to

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Speaker 4: he's credible defensively, right Like, he's not a stopper, but

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Speaker 4: you know, I think if he accepts a role, you know,

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Speaker 4: and if he plays with with some motor, I think

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Speaker 4: there's a real opportunity here from a big season, and

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Speaker 4: I think people around the league feel that dude, Now

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Speaker 4: those are big questions for him, but certainly a talent player.

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Speaker 4: I think the consensus I got at summerly in Vegas

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Speaker 4: Doandre eight by far was their their preference and by

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Speaker 4: far was the best that they felt like they could do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody's talking big swings.

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Speaker 1: If I said the Lakers Dan Dan Woike joining us,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers make a move of the trade deadline, Give

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Speaker 1: me a move that's not a huge swing but makes

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Speaker 1: them better. Is there is there? Because we always spend

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Speaker 1: so much time talking about major moves, it's hard with

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Speaker 1: the Apron, it's hard to make big moves. But I

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Speaker 1: them defensively work with Lebron. Is there anything else out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're looking for defenders, right I think

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Speaker 4: that is pretty clearly. I mean they're not done this

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Speaker 4: also say, like, good luck on the search. Everybody's looking

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Speaker 4: for perimeter defense, particularly perimeter defense I can shoot, so's

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a crowded marketplace. I think obviously,

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Speaker 4: like internal growth is always the path of least resistance

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Speaker 4: it's hard to really pinpoint a player right now and

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Speaker 4: say like this is the guy I think you know

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Speaker 4: a player they're monitoring here As the offseason kind of hits,

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Speaker 4: this next wave is that you know what happens with

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Speaker 3: Does he get bought out?

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Speaker 4: Is he available, That's the guy they like, and I

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Speaker 4: think would give them a little toughness, some grit, you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously has to be healthy, but gives them a little

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Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be where they're focused now. We'll see, though,

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Speaker 4: this is still a team that is like a little

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Speaker 4: what they have to put into to trades most of

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Speaker 4: their tradable players. Colin, when we talked about the trade deadline,

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Speaker 4: you know, everybody loves a good Austin Reeves trade. You

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Speaker 4: and I've had a what like some more like ninety

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Speaker 4: to be If you're trading for him at the trade deadline,

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Speaker 4: you're trading for him for two months because you know

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Speaker 4: we'll be entering unrestricted free agency. Ruy Hachimura an restricted

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Speaker 4: free agent at the end of the season. That depresses

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Speaker 4: some value. They've got one draft pick that they can

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Speaker 4: to it come draft night next year, they can trade

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Speaker 4: sure there's a huge move to be made for them

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Colm. You bet you know I

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Speaker 1: was thinking as we were talking to Dan there about

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Speaker 1: another basketball If you've not heard, Caitlin Clark will not

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Speaker 1: compete in the All Star festivities in Indiana where she plays,

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Speaker 1: so they set this thing up to WNBA for her

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Speaker 2: No, No, this is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is the first story Colin Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 7: It's she just announced she's not gonna be playing in

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Speaker 7: the All Star Game or participating in the three point Contest, which.

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Speaker 6: Stinks because the game is in her own arena.

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Speaker 7: She will, however, she put on her ig that she

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Speaker 6: She'll be helping the coach. She's gonna soak it all up.

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Speaker 6: But man, this is a big blow to the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's I was thinking about this. It's

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Speaker 1: a little like when somebody wins the lottery and there

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Speaker 1: there's this rapid change in the circumstances in their life,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of lottery winners like there's a high

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Speaker 1: like the WNBA has been playing catch up with Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 7: NBA colin where interestingly, Joel Embiid recently did a sit

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Speaker 7: Now this is I don't want you to get too

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Speaker 1: So arch Manning has only played a couple of games,

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Speaker 7: This kid Sellers is good. He's the guy that intrigues

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Speaker 7: I got to ask this Nussmeyer stuff, Colin. You watched

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Speaker 1: Lied WHEN i watch now, Again Arizona state shocked the.

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Speaker 7: Fox you like arch man to go Into Ohio state and?

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Speaker 1: NEWS a lot of news happening At fox, today including

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Speaker 3: Saban, next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions Of The herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in Noon easter non Am pacific On Fox Sports RADIO

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Speaker 1: App Good Show, Today Urban, Meyer Dan, woiki good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Today we Started albert BURN i started talking about. Yesterday

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00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: we Brought Urban meyer on today And urban And belichick

443
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: have always been very close With Nick saban AND i

444
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: had said this. Week the genesis of all this discussion

445
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: happened a couple of days ago WHEN i saw a

446
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: story That greg, McElroy very popular FORMER bama quarterback who's

447
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: well connected To, bama said he's hearing That saban wouldn't

448
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: mind coaching. Again in my take is he's not going

449
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: to coach in college because you can buy out coaches

450
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: like you used to with THE. Nil you, know these

451
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: coaches now make the good ones eight to ten to

452
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars a. Year so three or four years

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00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: left is thirty forty. MILLION nil is costing eighteen million a.

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00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: Year saban would cost just sixty. Eighty like outside Of,

455
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: texas nobody has that kind of. Money maybe the billionaire

456
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: At Texas. Tech But saban's not going To Texas. Tech,

457
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: Please it's not going to The big. Twelve but SO i.

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00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: SPECULATED i think he's a very aspirational driven. GUY i,

459
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: think Like Pete, carrelly plays much younger than his, age

460
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: AND i think he's going to take phone calls from

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Speaker 1: THE nfl And Albert. Breer, first let's start With Urban,

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Speaker 1: meyer who's friends With saban on the idea of THE.

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Speaker 3: NFL i have not.

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Speaker 8: Talked to him about. THIS i could guess BECAUSE i

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Speaker 8: know him fairly well and competed against, him that it's

466
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Speaker 8: not a little. Scratch it's probably a pretty big scratch.

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Speaker 8: That that's the one area that he is not you,

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00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 8: know you, know, he like you, said he's get things

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Speaker 8: going On. MIAMI i actually visited him when he was down.

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Speaker 8: There BUT i don't think he'd go back to. COLLEGE

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Speaker 8: i don't see that. FIT i would say very little

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Speaker 8: to no chance he would get involved in. College BUT

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Speaker 8: i think he would take phone calls from THE.

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Speaker 1: Nfl, yeah and, well remember we get about seven openings

475
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: a year and coordinators hit at about a thirty to

476
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: forty percent. Clip SO i mean even, again so college

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Speaker 1: coaches are not going to take THOSE nfl. Jobs Brian

478
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: kelly sniffed around years. AGO nfl wasn't. Interested tell Me Lincoln, RILEY,

479
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: nfl nobody's. Interested so tell me the college coaches that

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00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: would TAKE nfl.

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00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: Jobs Ryan day, maybe BUT i.

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Speaker 1: Think he Likes Ohio. State tell me the college guys

483
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: that would take an. Opening there's. None davosweeney's totally a college.

484
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: Guy Marcus freeman maybe At Notre, dame BUT i think

485
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Speaker 1: he Loves Notre.

486
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: DAME i think he loves young. Families he wants to

487
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: stay in.

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Speaker 1: College so there's nobody coming out of college as THAT

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00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: i can think of top of my. HEAD i could

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00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: have said a couple of years. Ago now we all

491
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: Knew horball was. Interested that was pretty. Obvious but so and,

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00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: then and and then tell me all the hot. Coordinators Ben,

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00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: johnson he took a.

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00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: Job Cliff.

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00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: Kingsbury most of my people don't see him as AN

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00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: nfl head. Coach he doesn't hold players. Accountable good coach,

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00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: though So. Kingsbury the ship has. Sailed so show me

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Speaker 1: all the hot coordinators who are. Takeing give me seven.

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00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: Openings somebody's Calling Nick. SABAN i Think, cleveland you have

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00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: to pay attention To Jimmy, Haslam Big Tennessee booster loves the,

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00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: sec loves, stars Drafted Baker, manzell Acquired Deshaun, watson loves star.

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00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: POWER i think he Likes Kevin, stefanski but he'd move

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00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: him out of the way for A saban and he'd

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00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: HAVE saban control. Personnel Andrew berry would probably you, know

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00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: say no, thanks so that. One AND i Think. DALLAS

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Speaker 1: i Think Albert breer came. On we talked about The,

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Speaker 1: cowboys And Nick, SABAN i think IT'S i think That

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Speaker 1: schottenneimer thing is going to go sideways By.

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Speaker 3: October Here's.

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Speaker 9: Albert the one thing About dallas that people misunderstand, is,

511
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 9: Yes jerry's involved in, football but the coach is involved

512
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 9: in scouting. Too like the coach is involved in putting

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00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 9: the team, together and that's always been the way that

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00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 9: it's been run. There and in that, like they've got

515
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 9: a really good personnel. Department will McLay does a great,

516
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 9: job but they've always involved the coach and how the

517
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 9: team is put. Together If jerry was going to do,

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00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 9: this part of it would be are you willing to

519
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 9: take a back seat and move away from the spotlight

520
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 9: for a little bit to see If Nick saban can

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00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 9: come and do?

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Speaker 1: It, YEAH i Mean Jerry jones is eighty, two SO

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Speaker 1: i think it.

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Speaker 3: Plays.

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Speaker 1: Listen If greg McElroy has heard this and he is

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00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: totally connected To, bama that means somebody in The alabama,

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00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: administration that's my guess where the source comes, from has

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00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: talked To, nick And nick's either, bored.

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Speaker 3: You, know doesn't.

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Speaker 1: DOESN'T i, MEAN i think he does a great job ON,

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Speaker 1: tv but there's a lot of voices on the show he's,

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00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: on AND i THINK tv Board Bill, parcells who tried

533
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: it a couple of. TIMES i think it Bored Bill.

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00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: WALSH i don't think it's for, everybody AND i do

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00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: think it goes back to What urban, said you have

536
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: to go back and look. Up first of, all he

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00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: coached on That belichick staff In, cleveland And belichick's one

538
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: of his closest, friends SO i guarantee you he would

539
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: Call bill in a heartbeat asking. Questions But saban really

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00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: pivoted At. Alabama he Went nick did something that was really.

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00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Impressive And i've touched on this. Before Lane kiffin has

542
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: talked about, this and it was in A New York

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00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: times article years ago that When saban was all defense

544
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: and when he got To bama he was a relentless.

545
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: Recruiter but those Early bama teams were all about linebackers

546
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: and pass rushers and dts and corners and. Safeties and

547
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: then as the game and the sport changed On Lane

548
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: kiffen and him sat. Down he really realized that the

549
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: world was. Changing bama when he left was about wide,

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00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: receivers left tackles and. Quarterbacks That's belichick has struggled to.

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00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Pivot saban has had no trouble. Pivoting AND i Think

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00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: saban deep down thinks he's a better coach Than. Belichick

553
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: but when you talk about all the time great, coaches

554
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: you don't bring Up Bear bryant Or Woody.

555
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: Hayes you. Don't you don't bring Up Nick. Saban It's Andy.

556
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: Reid Bill, Walsh AND i don't Think saban would have

557
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: to go to THE nfl and Win Super. BOWLS i

558
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: think if he went and he went somewhere for five

559
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: years and made the playoffs four years and took the

560
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: mess known as The cowboys Or cleveland and Made cleveland

561
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: a big time. Team If cleveland has the number one

562
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: pick AND i Get saban and Arch manning and they

563
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: start winning that division and getting to the, PLAYOFFS i

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00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Mean saban's going to SAY i KNEW i could.

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00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: COACH i don't think he ever would have gone To.

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00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Bama if the team doctor for The dolphins would have

567
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: acquiesced and given Him Drew. BREES i don't think he

568
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: ever would have gone To. Bama but the team doctor,

569
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Didn't So alabama should think the team. Doctor BUT i

570
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: think it has. Legs, yeah by the, way this is.

571
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Interesting Natasha, cloud New york liberty player guard on the

572
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: strained relationship between THE wnba players and. Refs we talked

573
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: about this earlier With Caitlin clark's, injuries Says Natasha. CLOUD

574
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: i work my blanking blank off all off season for

575
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: these four and a half months to try to win a,

576
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: championship AND i feel like the refs are having too

577
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: much blanking impact on the. Game Angel reese on the.

578
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: Officiating it has to be. FIXED i don't give a

579
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: damn IF i get fined because blankety blank is cheap

580
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: And i'm tired of this. Blank Kelsey, plumb who plays

581
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: for THE La sparks set In, JUNE i drive more

582
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: than anybody in the, league so to shoot six free

583
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: throws as effing. Absurd so the, players you don't HEAR

584
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: nba players bang on the refs like, this and THE

585
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: wnba officiating is. Bad Sophie cunningham got knocked on her

586
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: backside a couple of nights, ago no. Call it was.

587
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Brutal it was. Brutal So Caitlin clark is not going

588
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: to play this. Weekend so you Got Natasha, Cloud Angel

589
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: reese And Kelsey. Plum the officiating is. Horrible so AGAIN

590
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: i liken it to a lottery ticket. Winner when you

591
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: have a rapid change of. Circumstances you don't know how

592
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: to react to. It SO i have the lottery winners

593
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: go broke or something like, That AND i think this

594
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: league is just playing catch up To Caitlin. Clark they're

595
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: reacting and the last part of the, change because the

596
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: players are starting to embrace. Her the last part of

597
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: the change is the. Officiating college. Officials women's college officials

598
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: make more THAN wnba. Officials that ain't. Right so it's

599
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: time for. Pensions it's time for big time officiating. Revenue

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00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: that the sport's getting too. BIG i, mean it'd be

601
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: like having, Again it'd be like having a rock star

602
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: selling out and having a second tier, promoter like once

603
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: you get once you have a world class, band you

604
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: have to have a world class, marketing promoting and ticket sales.

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00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Team so there you.

606
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 7: Go Or, colin we could just call it A Kansas

607
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 7: City chiefs playoff. Game the way the referees seem to

608
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 7: always favor The, chiefs especially In. Arrowhead Buffalo bills fans

609
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 7: are texting me about it right.

610
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 6: Now, refereeings it's. Tough it's tough to find the good, refs,

611
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 6: obviously when the seats are getting blasted in The Super.

612
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 6: Bowl nobody's talking about.

613
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: Referees, WELL i will SAY i do believe THE nfl

614
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: should make officials more full. Time maybe not all of,

615
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: them but seventy five. Percent that's always been a. BONUS i,

616
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: mean we're moving to eighteen, games so between eighteen games

617
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: and playoffs and three preseason it's a full time.

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00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 6: Job are you sure we're going to Eighteen?

619
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah next year cheetz a second. Bye, so by the,

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00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: way what are the ending the Season?

621
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: March what's going?

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00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: On, Yeah i'm okay with. It we'll see you. Tomorrow