WEBVTT - Energy Crisis: How The Transition Is Causing The Failure

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to another episode of The Mark

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<v Speaker 1>mass Show. Or of course, each and every week we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the way the world is changing through what

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<v Speaker 1>I call the decentralized revolution. If you haven't noticed, the

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<v Speaker 1>world is changing, but you maybe don't understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is going on, and of course we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it each and every week most importantly so you can

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<v Speaker 1>understand where things are going. I was talking with my

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<v Speaker 1>show producer Cue before we were recording and going through

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<v Speaker 1>some of the show notes and talking about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the different topics and you know, some of the big

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<v Speaker 1>news topics that came out this week. He's like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's that big of a story

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not like tradeable. There's nothing that someone's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do to change their investment portfolio off of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's absolutely right. What we talk about day to

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<v Speaker 1>day isn't for you to go make a trade in

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<v Speaker 1>your portfolio tonight on your e trade Charles Schwab or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever and profit from this. What it is is it's

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<v Speaker 1>about getting the direction right because the world's changing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>In the quote that's been used way too, way too

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<v Speaker 1>moch used, I would say, but I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway. And that's from the great Wayne Gretzky, the

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<v Speaker 1>great one, one of the best hockey players of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said that the reason why he did so

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<v Speaker 1>good paraphrasing was because he always skated to where the

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<v Speaker 1>puck was going to be, not where the puck was right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've heard that before, so sorry for me to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you again, but that's really the way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why it's used so much is because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so true. And so what we want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>we want to position ourselves to where things are going,

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<v Speaker 1>not where they are. If we go to where they are,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time we get there, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>too late. And so we want to know where things

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<v Speaker 1>are going, and so we look at the long lens.

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Buffett, of course, you know, good old uncle Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Warren Buffett. His partner Charlie Munger, has another quote that

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<v Speaker 1>I like to use all the time, and he says

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<v Speaker 1>that the big money is not made in the buying

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<v Speaker 1>and the selling, it's made in the waiting. So you

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<v Speaker 1>put those two things together, it's made in the waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>Waiting for what waiting for the right opportunity waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>that big fat pitch to come. But more importantly, when

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<v Speaker 1>I get into that position, I have to also wait

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<v Speaker 1>or to develop. And so this is about the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of where things are going, so we know that we're

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<v Speaker 1>aligned properly as they continue to materialize. So in this hour,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the energy crisis and how

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<v Speaker 1>the transition is causing the failure, how it's the transition

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<v Speaker 1>that's causing the energy christap. We're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to look at what the transitions are. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look at this ESG, break that down environmental

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<v Speaker 1>social governance. We're going to talk about moving from reliable

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<v Speaker 1>to unreliable energy. We're going to talk about why these

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<v Speaker 1>transitions fail. We're going to cover the origins, the companies

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<v Speaker 1>that are taking advantage of this, if there is any

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<v Speaker 1>real progress, and so much more. This is a big show.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I've talked about ESG a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, We've never done this deep of a dive,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's important for you to understand this because it

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<v Speaker 1>is literally changing the world. Without energy, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even say without energy, Without energy, the whole world's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we need energy.

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<v Speaker 1>The law of energy states that energy cannot be created,

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<v Speaker 1>energy can only be transferred. So everything in life is

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<v Speaker 1>about energy. For example, for you to live, your body

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<v Speaker 1>must burn calories. A calorie is a unit as a

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<v Speaker 1>measurement unit of energy. Right, So the sun produces energy,

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<v Speaker 1>it grows a plant, or the cow eats the plant,

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<v Speaker 1>and that energy from the plant is from the sun

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<v Speaker 1>to the plant, and then from the plant to the cow.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I eat the cow, which gives me energy

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<v Speaker 1>and protein, and then that gives me energy to burn

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<v Speaker 1>as calories.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's how the whole world works.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I can dig oil out of the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more energy, which think that powers my car,

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on and on. So it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that all of humanity's prosperity and flourishment comes because

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. You know, things used to be really bad

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago, and really all of history is

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<v Speaker 1>a story of people being cold and hungry. That's most

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<v Speaker 1>of history people being cold and hungry. Read back through

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundreds, eighteen hundreds to seventeen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>The Game of Thrones, and it looks like all like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look at them living in these beautiful castles and life

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<v Speaker 1>is so good. No no, no, no, no, that's not how

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<v Speaker 1>it worked. They were cold and they were hungry, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's how most of the world is. Without energy. There

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<v Speaker 1>was famines, there was droughts. But then we got energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and we could build tractors that could build canals and

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<v Speaker 1>bring water in amazing and it's through the use of

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<v Speaker 1>energy that we've been able to flourish. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>trace back every prosperous nation back to the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>energy that they have. And that's really where the United

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<v Speaker 1>States took off in the lead because we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to harness oil and energy, which led to the industrialization,

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<v Speaker 1>which allowed to massive prosperity through using energy to manufacture

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<v Speaker 1>goods and services that the world wanted, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about all this. I'm gonna break it

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<v Speaker 1>down and again, if you want to be, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be where the puck is going, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand this. If you want your investments to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the right place, then you need to understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I like to say it's not true, but of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not already in position, then I suppose you

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<v Speaker 1>should be getting into position. But this is not financial advice.

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<v Speaker 1>But you are listening to the Mark Ma Show. If

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<v Speaker 1>you miss any of this, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd mean the world to me, I'll ask. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about this for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to break this down. We got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to cover. So first of all, ESG, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>More importantly, how did we even get here? Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to look at how we got here,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of have to go back to the origins

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can see that the origins of ESG

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<v Speaker 1>and ESG investing really came by the key decision makers

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to use social responsibility as like an investing thesis.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no problem with that. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, I'm a huge proponent of that. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I constantly pound the table on that

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<v Speaker 1>we should be voting with our money. So I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be giving my money to things I don't like. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, I've been writing a financial newsletter for the

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<v Speaker 1>last seven years where I do give people information on

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<v Speaker 1>what they should be buying and selling. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to check that out, just go to my website at

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<v Speaker 1>one Mark Moss and you can find out how to

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<v Speaker 1>get access to the newsletter there. But in this newsletter,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to recommend that we bought stocks in China.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, we did really really well

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<v Speaker 1>investing into Chinese companies in Chinese stock markets and Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>funds and things like that. Emerging markets are a great

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<v Speaker 1>place to get alpha right out to get profits. But

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<v Speaker 1>about when the pandemic came out, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought about it, and I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be supporting China anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>There's millions of places to invest. Why do I.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to put my money into those I don't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with them, so I'm no longer going to give them

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<v Speaker 1>my money. So I believe in using your money to

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<v Speaker 1>voice your vote, but also to build the world that

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<v Speaker 1>you want. So, for example, you also know that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a huge bitcoin proponent. I believe that bitcoin is the

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<v Speaker 1>only tool that we see right now today that can

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<v Speaker 1>change the world, that can free us, and that can

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<v Speaker 1>change the world for better. If not bitcoin, then what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see anything else now. Maybe something else comes

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, but as of now, that's the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe that you don't have to that's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I want to see that flourish. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to put my money into bitcoin. I also want

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<v Speaker 1>to support the ecosystem, so I invest through the entire

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin ecosystem, including I'm an advisor to a bitcoin venture

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<v Speaker 1>capital fund, Trammel Venture Partners, and I also started my

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<v Speaker 1>own bitcoin fund called the Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>investing through the entire bitcoin ecosystem because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>put my money to build the world that I want.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to learn more about the Bigcoin Opportunity Fund,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out Bitcoin Opportunity dot Fund. It's go onto

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<v Speaker 1>your website Bitcoin Opportunity Dot Fund. You do need to

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<v Speaker 1>be a credit investor for that, but it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>way to get access to this entire industry that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I am a big proponent. I recommend everybody

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<v Speaker 1>invest into building the world that they that we want.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's how ESG got started, right. It started

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties as socially responsible investing, which sounds

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. Nineteen seventy one, the packs World Fund was

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<v Speaker 1>established by two United Methodist ministers who opposed the Vietnam War,

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<v Speaker 1>so they didn't want to invest any money that would

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<v Speaker 1>go towards the war. Great we saw Amy Dominie, who

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<v Speaker 1>managed KLD Research and Analytics. She created a Domini four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred index in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we can kind of go through this.

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<v Speaker 1>ESG largely came from a combination of national and international standards.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the significant milestones was the United Nation Framework

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<v Speaker 1>Convention on Climate Change in nineteen ninety two. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where things really started to go a different direction.

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<v Speaker 1>So the UN pushing them in nineteen ninet two, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where I start to divert from their idea

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<v Speaker 1>of investing socially and my idea of investing socially. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about that in a second. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>just tuning in right now, you're listening to the Markmas Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we're always talking about this decentralized revolution. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to break this down, so you know where we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I come back, we're go and continue talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the origins of ESG.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to miss it. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Markmas

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<v Speaker 1>Show and we're breaking down the history of ESG. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the energy crisis and how the transition is

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<v Speaker 1>actually causing the crisis, causing the failure.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're running through ESG.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about some of the origins before and

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<v Speaker 1>really where things I said that we should be investing socially,

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<v Speaker 1>We should be investing along with our ideas, our values

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<v Speaker 1>to build the world that we want. That's what we

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<v Speaker 1>want to do, and so I'm okay with it in

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<v Speaker 1>theory we should all be doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But where it goes wrong is where it got hijacked.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I talked about how really in nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations created this framework for climate change, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where things, like I said, really really went

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<v Speaker 1>off the rails. Now we can go back and we

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<v Speaker 1>can see all types of examples through history where people

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<v Speaker 1>formed groups. So like there was one the Women's Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Temperance Union WCTU founded in eighteen seventy four, and they

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<v Speaker 1>promoted investing into things that they shared ideologies. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't invest in the companies that produced alcohol or tobacco. Great,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like alcohol, tobacco, you don't want people

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<v Speaker 1>to have it, then don't invest into it. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The company didn't want to invest into any companies that

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<v Speaker 1>would exploit its workers or engage in unethical business practices, Great,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But these were like a really like OG, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>old school in socially responsible investing group. And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But going back to ESG for a second, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was introduced by the UN and we saw it

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<v Speaker 1>really become officially introduced in two thousand SI again by

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<v Speaker 1>the UND in their Principles for Responsible Investment Report pr I,

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<v Speaker 1>and basically the ESG criteria were required to be incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>in the financial evaluations of companies. And so what that

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<v Speaker 1>means is that they now had a set of metrics

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<v Speaker 1>that they could regulate companies by. So we could say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to look at you company by all these metrics,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't fit into them, then maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>no money for you. So we're gonna talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>is it's really turned from cooperation and from preference to

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<v Speaker 1>now coercion, and that's where things.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall off the rails.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to talk about again. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a good thing. We should be investing into things

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<v Speaker 1>that we believe. Milton Friedman a famous economist. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read his stuff, I highly recommend it. He wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a paper on the socially responsibility. The social responsibility of

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<v Speaker 1>business is to increase its profits, because that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>what a business is for. Now, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go be you know, Mother Teresa or Gandhi, then you

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<v Speaker 1>should certainly do that. If you're a church, then you

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<v Speaker 1>should certainly be feeding the poor. But business is in

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<v Speaker 1>the business of business, which is to make profit, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the socially responsible thing to do. And what he says,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to paraphrase this, and I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>you to go read it, but he basically says that

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<v Speaker 1>through the pursuit of profit, you chase the most socially

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<v Speaker 1>responsible goals. So let me give you an example there's

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<v Speaker 1>a local high school here by my studio. I drive

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<v Speaker 1>by it every morning i'm away to the gym, And

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<v Speaker 1>on those fences of the of like the baseball field,

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<v Speaker 1>are like signs, and the whole school are signs of

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<v Speaker 1>all the local businesses, local real estate agents, local dentists, orthodontics, whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Why do they give money to the school to have

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<v Speaker 1>their sign there? Why do they want to have their

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<v Speaker 1>sign there. Well, they hope it brings them business. So

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<v Speaker 1>through the pursuit of profit it they're acting socially right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're giving money to a good cause in returns of

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully getting a profit back. Now, let me just say

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<v Speaker 1>I also believe that we should all be giving money charitably.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a really big problem that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into just for a second. I was recently on

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane, sitting in first class, sitting next to another

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<v Speaker 1>guy who looked like he I kind of glanced over

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<v Speaker 1>at his work and I could tell he was working

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<v Speaker 1>on some like high level management stuff, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of struck up a conversation with him, which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't always do, and we start then we start getting

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<v Speaker 1>into like business stuff, and then we start getting into

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<v Speaker 1>like investing, and then we start get into like social

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<v Speaker 1>political things. And you know, he really thought that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the government needs to continue to tax us so much

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<v Speaker 1>so that they the government, they after they tax us,

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<v Speaker 1>can go do all these welfare programs and things like this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just said, hey, let let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a personal question. I'm sorry if it's too personal, but

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<v Speaker 1>how much of your income do you give to charity?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you donate? Do you do you go on mission

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<v Speaker 1>trips with your kids and help poor people? And they said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't do any of that, and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I figured and the reason why is because because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't give, then you feel that nobody else will give.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the only way that those poor people get

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<v Speaker 1>anything is if the government steals it from us and

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<v Speaker 1>then redistributes it. But you see, I give a big

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of what I earn, and so I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. I see people all around me giving.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I just got back from

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<v Speaker 1>my fifteenth annual dirt bike trip we do called the

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<v Speaker 1>Baja Beach Bash dot com check it out, where we

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<v Speaker 1>raised money for an orphanage down in Mexico this year.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty three. In July, we raised about four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars me and my buddies for this orphanage.

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<v Speaker 1>We've raised over two point two million dollars for them

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<v Speaker 1>since we've done that. This is just one thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not here to brag. What I'm saying is that

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<v Speaker 1>we should all be doing this. That's the socially responsible

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<v Speaker 1>thing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, going back to this, So, this ESG thing, it

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<v Speaker 1>really went off the rails because of the UN, and

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<v Speaker 1>the UN tried to co opt this and then use

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<v Speaker 1>it for coercion. So how did they do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they established these.

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<v Speaker 2>Principles, these ESG principles.

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<v Speaker 1>And they basically got sixty three investment companies with about

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<v Speaker 1>six and a half trillion dollars in assets under management

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<v Speaker 1>to come on board with them. And these these companies

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<v Speaker 1>that controlled six and a half trillion dollars, they got

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<v Speaker 1>them to basically agree that if these companies don't adhere

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<v Speaker 1>to these arbitrary things that we've put together, then they

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<v Speaker 1>get no money. As Mark Carney says, they'll be economic roadkill.

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<v Speaker 1>So who are they? Well, Amy Dominie, we mentioned her

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<v Speaker 1>name before. Brian moynihan, he's the CEO of Bank America.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what's important to understand is that, of course Bank

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<v Speaker 1>of America Brian Monihan the CEO, alongside the Big four

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<v Speaker 1>accounting firms. So you always hear reference to the Big

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<v Speaker 1>four Deloitte, PwC, KPMG, and Ernst and Young. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a public traded company or your big forty five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred company, you need use a Big four accounting firm.

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<v Speaker 1>So with Bank of America and the Big Four, they

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated this ESG transformation through the establishment of a set

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<v Speaker 1>of standardized measurements of twenty two specific metrics to create

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<v Speaker 1>a framework for companies to report their results. And if

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<v Speaker 1>the results are favorable, they get funding. If the reports

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<v Speaker 1>are unfavorable, then they get no funding. No money for

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<v Speaker 1>you like the Soup Nazi, all right, So that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of how this happened. Then we saw other institutions, institutional investors.

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<v Speaker 2>Grab onto this.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we talk about Black Rock doing this all time,

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<v Speaker 1>State Street Global Advisors of course as well, and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on and so this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big thing. This is how they've been they've been tackling this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we can see that a twenty twenty two report

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<v Speaker 1>by the Global Sustainable Investment Alliance found that global ESG

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<v Speaker 1>assets under management reached thirty five point three trillion in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, up from twenty two point nine trillion

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty sixteen. So we can see that these

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<v Speaker 1>investment groups are moving into this and putting money into

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<v Speaker 1>anything that could be deemed ESG. But does that change

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<v Speaker 1>the incentive structure just because they say they're ESG, are

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<v Speaker 1>they really how are they reporting this? Well, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to dig into that. We're going to dig into that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the problems that this has created,

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<v Speaker 1>the crisis that we're literally in because of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>where this goes. If you're just tuning in and you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Mark Mass Show, of course we're aways

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the decentralized revolution, and this is a good

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<v Speaker 1>example of how, you know, good intentions have turned bad

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<v Speaker 1>have now caused a massive crisis that we're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to continue to break this down. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to show you exactly what ESG is. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to show you how these investments are turning sour and

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<v Speaker 1>actually how through mismatched incentives it's causing the crisis that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in. We'll go through some specific examples, especially what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now in Saudi Arabia, what's happening in South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in Germany, and yes even here in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Back of that and more in a minute. Don't go away,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bear back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome back if you're just tune in here

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Mark Moss Show. We're talking today about,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like always, the decentralized revolution, how the world's changing,

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<v Speaker 1>but specifically today we're talking about the energy crisis and

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<v Speaker 1>how the transition is causing the failure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what's happening now.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about these esg these twenty two specific goals

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<v Speaker 1>that companies have to meet if they want to get money,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want investment, and of course if you're a business,

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<v Speaker 1>then you don't have any capital, you don't have a business,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course they have to do that. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>happened is, you know, these create perverted incentives. Remember we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Freedman talking about really the socially responsible thing

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<v Speaker 1>for businesses to pursue profit. That should be the incentive

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<v Speaker 1>and through that incentive, then they'll have good, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>good things that they do, like giving money to the

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<v Speaker 1>local high school. But when you start to change the incentives,

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<v Speaker 1>then people start optimizing for other incentives.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, like ESG.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have to meet all the factors of

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<v Speaker 1>a ESG, you get a lot of money. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think happens, Well, companies start trying to optimize

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<v Speaker 1>for ESG, so they get a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And how do they do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they do that through lying and stealing, because of

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<v Speaker 1>course there is really no way to hit all those

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<v Speaker 1>goals without that, so they do what we call green washing,

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<v Speaker 1>so they pretend like they're green even though they're not really.

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<v Speaker 1>How do they do that well? So, for example, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things is to reduce emissions, that's only part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So the environmental E, environmental S social G

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<v Speaker 1>is governance. So the E environmental is like how much

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<v Speaker 1>carbon is are you outputting? For example?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the social so then that's like what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing socially? And then there's the governance. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a diversified board of people on your government board?

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<v Speaker 1>But on the environmental side, you need to not produce

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<v Speaker 1>as much carbon, because supposedly carbon is somehow like thermometer

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<v Speaker 1>of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty strange if you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, they're raided by how much carbon they produce

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<v Speaker 1>or don't produce. So one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 1>do is they buy offsets carbon credits. So for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain things that you can do that create carbon credits. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Tesla by making electric vehicles somehow creates carbon

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<v Speaker 1>credits that can then be sold. And then these companies

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<v Speaker 1>that produce lots of carbon just buy these carbon credits

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<v Speaker 1>and then somehow that gives them a net zero net

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<v Speaker 1>being you take the total amount they emit minus what

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<v Speaker 1>they bought the credits give them a net zero score. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they're aiming for, the net they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>bring down. The problem is is that this is all

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a big scam. So where are these

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<v Speaker 1>credits being created from, how are they being traded, and

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<v Speaker 1>what is that even doing for the economy or I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for the environment at all. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>emissions have not gone down at all. Businesses now just

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<v Speaker 1>spend more money to buy offsets, so they haven't changed

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of carbon going into the world. They've just

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<v Speaker 1>now created a side market. Now, what's wrong with that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the side market means that for no other reason than

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<v Speaker 1>to have some arbitrary goal of bringing down carbon, which

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't done any of that. But now they created this

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<v Speaker 1>market which now companies have to buy into, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>their expenses go up, which means they have to bring

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<v Speaker 1>their prices up, which means that you get to pay

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<v Speaker 1>more for your products and services, which means that your

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<v Speaker 1>quality of life went down. It means you have to

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<v Speaker 1>work more hours now to have just the same quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life that you had before because costs have gone

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<v Speaker 1>up so much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one example.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see report after report after report how it's

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<v Speaker 1>plagued by fraud. At twenty twenty one report by the

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<v Speaker 1>Carbon market Watch found that the carbon credit market is

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<v Speaker 1>plagued by all kinds of fraud. There's double counting, there's

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<v Speaker 1>wash trading, there's green washing. As I said, green washing

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<v Speaker 1>is when a company makes false or misleading claims, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's environmental credentials in order to sell carbon credits. We

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<v Speaker 1>see large corporations exploiting ESG principles. For instance, some might

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<v Speaker 1>use shell companies to make your operations appear more ESG

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<v Speaker 1>compliant than they are. And this isn't just like some theory.

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<v Speaker 1>We see this over and over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 1>A twenty twenty one report by the Environmental Investigation Agency

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<v Speaker 1>found that several large corporations were using shell companies to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid environmental regulations. Saudi Aramco, one of the largest companies

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire world, has done this with a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight billion dollars worth of funds.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>When you create a perverse set of incentives, then you

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<v Speaker 1>get perverse actions. Now to take advantage of this, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the big Evil Empire, the largest asset manager of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>black Rock, has jumped into the mix and they started

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<v Speaker 1>creating ESG funds. So now we're going to create these

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<v Speaker 1>ees ETFs that have all these ESG companies in there,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can raise investment capital directly into this ESG fund.

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.520
<v Speaker 1>But turns out when you invest money, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get money back. So if I'm investing money, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the companies that have the best chance

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of returning my capital, unless it's a donation. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>invest in things that you want. So I give my

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>money to things that maybe I don't expect the best

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.080
<v Speaker 1>return from just because that's where I want my money going.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, if you're investing your money,

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to get the best return possible. It turns

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<v Speaker 1>out when you run a business based off of their

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<v Speaker 1>ESG scores and they're not optimizing for profit, well it

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.200
<v Speaker 1>turns out they don't have the best profit. So it

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:25.639
<v Speaker 1>turns out they don't do very well. And as a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, es I'm sorry, Blackrock had to close

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>their ESG fund because of a lack of interest. Why

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.679
<v Speaker 1>because it had poor performance. So you look at all

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<v Speaker 1>the funds that Blackrock has and the ones that have

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the worst performance, you don't want to invest into them.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course that's the ESG because they weren't optimizing

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.919
<v Speaker 1>for profits, and so you know, there's other parts of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So then there's the social side, which then kind of

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<v Speaker 1>led to this DEI diversity, equity and inclusion. So it's

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of like virtue signaling. This is what's led to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the Dylan Mrvany Moving, you know, Budweiser controversy,

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>things like that because they're trying to now optimize for that,

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<v Speaker 1>for this DEI diversity, equity and inclusion. We can see

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<v Speaker 1>that a Just Capital report around that twenty percent of

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>companies with dedicated DEI roles have eliminated or disregarded those

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 1>roles altogether. So they're adopting it, and they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, but then they realize it doesn't really work

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's actually hurting their business of being in business,

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>of being in business of making profits, and they end

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:29.880
<v Speaker 1>up abandoning them. So what they're doing is they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing some sort of virtue signaling, but really they're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything at all, which is part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why you see Nike running Colin Kaepernick or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, Budweiser with Dylan Morvany. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>appease these DEI you know gods, these DEI regulators, if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. But it's a bigger problem than that. So

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<v Speaker 1>ESG is actually causing, as we started out, talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>an actual crisis. So what do I mean by that, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest thing the E in ESG is environmental, and

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly the goal is to bring carbon down and the

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<v Speaker 1>number one enemy according to them is now energy, specifically

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuel energy, which is oil and gas, oil and

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>natural gas. Now it's funny because do you know what

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuel is fossil It comes from fossils, So it

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<v Speaker 1>makes you think, like some bad connotations, Well fossil fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not a geologist, so if you are, go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and leave me comments and tell me if I

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<v Speaker 1>get this wrong. But fossil fuel come from fossils, which

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>are actually old plants that are in layers of the

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<v Speaker 1>earth that have been carbonized and have turned into oil

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and gas, and so we harvest those out, so sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like environmental, sort of like renewable. But what they've

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<v Speaker 1>done is they've now labeled those to be bad, and

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<v Speaker 1>so now we have to go to wind and solar

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<v Speaker 1>what they call renewable, which is pretty weird because solar

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>panels and windmills last about twenty years.

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>They're not renewable at all, they're consumable. But anyway, they

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to these renewables.

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<v Speaker 1>So like in Germany, for example, well because of these

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<v Speaker 1>est metrics, they want to transition their energy into green,

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>so they want to have wind and solar, and so

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>they've started to shut down their energy, including their nuclear reactors.

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Now just recently nuclear actors are now coming back as

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<v Speaker 1>being green, but skipping that what.

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>We can see has happened.

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>So we saw energy, the energy prices going through the

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>roof because they shut down their energy their nuclear reactors.

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Turns out, supply and demand still matters. So when they

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of their nuclear power, their energy prices went

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<v Speaker 1>through the roof. But then the final straw was the

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Russia Ukraine War. They lost the North Stream pipelines and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have gas.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why this is very very very important to

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<v Speaker 1>understand is because in Europe you have the southern nations

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<v Speaker 1>that we call the pigs Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain, right,

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the pigs, and they don't really have any industry, they

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have any really economic output exports. They have tourism

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<v Speaker 1>mostly and so they're part of the EU European Union.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Germany that's the manufacturing hub, it's the engine

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe. They're the ones that produce all the exports,

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>produce all the money and help support everybody else. But

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<v Speaker 1>because of what Germany has done by chasing ESG, they've

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>basically shot themselves in the foot or really shot themselves

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 1>in the head. And so now because of energy prices

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<v Speaker 1>going sky high, it's caused a massive, massive problem. I'm

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna break that down for you in a second. If

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you just tune in, you're listening to the markmas Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about ESG right now, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the problems that it's created. I'm gonna come back and

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>tell you the rest of this in a second. Don't

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 1>go away, I'll bear back, all right, Welcome back. If

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark Maas

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Show when we are talking today about the energy crisis

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 1>and how the transition is causing the failure. Really, we're

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>breaking down what ESG is, Environmental social governance, what that means,

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and we're looking at the problem that it's created.

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 2>If you missed any of this, don't worry. Check me

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>out on the podcast.

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Just search the Mark mah Show in your favorite podcast player,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 1>or you can watch me and listen to me at

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the same time on YouTube. Just go to the Market

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 1>Disruptors YouTube channel then you can check me out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to who we were talking about. I was

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<v Speaker 1>setting up that Germany has put themselves into a danger situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just for Germany, but for the entire European Union,

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>because Germany, being the economic engine of the European Union,

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>really kind of dragging or or polling the entire European

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Union along together. They embarked on some crazy radical ESG

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>policies and that led to them shutting down their own

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>energy because who needs it, right, Well, it turns out

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>we need it. Turns out it turns out if you

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>want to produce goods and services, you need energy. And

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:37.959
<v Speaker 1>so with energy prices spiking so high, it became very

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>problematic for the manufacturers that were usually energy to make

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>goods and services. So they had to raise their prices,

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<v Speaker 1>which made it very tough for people living in Germany

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>because now all the prices went up on goods and services.

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>But the real problem came during the Rush of Ukraine

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 1>situation where they lost access to their natural gas. And

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<v Speaker 1>what we're witnessing now over the last year is that

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<v Speaker 1>Germany is in a process of d industrializing estualizing through

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<v Speaker 1>when we went from no machines to machines, we went

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>from the farms into factories. But now they're de industrializing,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>meaning the factories are disappearing. Well that doesn't sound very good.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Well it's not so.

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Because of the cost of energy are so high and unreliable.

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>They're being ration they can't run all the time. Manufacturing

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>companies have had to leave Germany. One of their largest companies, BASF,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>has left and they went to China. And when these

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>companies leave, they don't just come back, so they're in

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the process of de industrializing.

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Now that's bad for Germany, but it's bad for all

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:34.719
<v Speaker 2>of Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, the IMF International Monetary Fund

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<v Speaker 1>expects the German economy to shrink by zero point three

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 1>percent this year, which doesn't sound like a lot. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a bad deal. Economies should always be growing. We

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>should always be producing more goods and.

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Services, not less. It's a big deal.

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Now that sounds bad. I want to jump to another

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<v Speaker 1>story about South Africa. South Africa is in a world

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of and you won't even believe it. They've been struggling

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>with power shortages for years because again, yes, they need

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to be more environmentally conscious, and they need to shut

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>down their cheap, reliable, abundant energy sources and transition to

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>very expensive, costly and unreliable energy sources for.

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<v Speaker 2>The e you know, the EESG. We got to do

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<v Speaker 2>it right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in South Africa, they have been deteriorating for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. There's massive economic turmoil and social unrest that's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now. It's looming ahead of the elections that

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>are coming next year, and it's getting really bad. Not

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>only is it bad because of the transition, it's also

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>hampered by massive amounts of debt, corruption, and yes, of course, sabotage.

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>So they're trying to figure this out. They want to

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>escape their dependence on coal, cheap, abundant energy and move

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<v Speaker 1>to as I said, unreliable you know, renewables, unreliables. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they've been rash. Since two thousand and seven, s Com,

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>which is their power company, has been forced to ration

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>power through intentional blackouts known as something called load shedding,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and we have the same thing in southern California for

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the exact same reasons. California has to also do load

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>shedding because we can't produce enough energy for everybody.

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>But in South Africa it's way worse.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, they've been shutting off the

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<v Speaker 1>power for up to twelve hours per day, and now

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>they're predicting that they're going to take the power outages

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>up to sixteen hours per day no energy. Now what

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>would happen if you shut the power off for sixteen

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>hours a day, Well, it turns out you don't have

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of economic activity. The power instability is so

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>widespread that they don't They have very very very limited

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>hospital services. Turns out, if you go in the hospital,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you probably need machines suck to electricity and it probably

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be twenty four to seven sixteen hours a

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>day of blackouse pride doesn't work, so very limited hospital services.

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Your kid was born premature, needs to go an incubator, Sorry,

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>no electricity for you. Oh you had heart attacking, need

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to be on a heart monitor?

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Up, Sorry, no electricity for you. You get the idea.

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>We have increasing food and water scarcity, rising bankruptcies, worsening

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>crime rates, unemployment exceeding thirty percent, and South Africa's Central

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Bank warns that load shedding is going to cost the

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 1>economy nearly thirteen billion this year.

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>So that's what ESG gets you. Good job.

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>The coal sector, which is what they're trying to get

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>rid of, employees indirectly up to two point three million people.

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>So aut a time when they already have unemployment exceeding

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent, they want to go ahead and just shed

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>jobs for another two point three million people.

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Sounds really good.

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>South Africa is on a course to see its most

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<v Speaker 1>blackout days in history this year.

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, this is the same thing that's happened in California.

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not a big it's not it's nothing new.

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>So this is where ESG gets you.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>You invest into companies who are not trying their best

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to produce profits. So they've gotten away with this because Blackrock,

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>State Street, Vanguard they don't care about profits. Why don't

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>they care about profits because it's not their money? Well,

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>whose money is it? Well, it's your money, when your pension,

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're four oh one k, when your mutual fund

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>goes into their management. Blackrock State Street of Vanguard manages

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>almost you know, the majority of that. They are investing

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>your money and it's not their money. And they make

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>money regardless, So what do they care if the companies

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>underperform other companies? They would rather push an ideology. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why when people say bud Light, you know they screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Hittumar hurts, go woke, go broke. We're gonna, we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna boycott them. Well, they don't really care. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why they don't really care is because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been taken over by these big institutional investors who don't

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<v Speaker 1>invest their own money.

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<v Speaker 2>They invest your.

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<v Speaker 1>Money, and they're more and what they care about more

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<v Speaker 1>is their ideology over profit. And again that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing. We should be investing our money where we

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<v Speaker 1>see fit. The problem is when you have corporations like

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<v Speaker 1>black Rock, Wall Street, Vanguarden, State Street doing it with

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<v Speaker 1>other people's money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. That's the way I have a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>You should certainly.

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<v Speaker 1>Invest your money where you see fit, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>lose your money, that's on you. But when you have

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<v Speaker 1>these institutions taking your money and investing in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't align with your visions. And on top of them,

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<v Speaker 1>not only are they investing against your vision, your ideologies

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<v Speaker 1>in the world that you want, they're not only going

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<v Speaker 1>against that, they're also losing you money at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem. That's a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this is a big deal for a lot of reasons. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>one we know it doesn't work. Going back to what

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<v Speaker 1>Friedman said, really the social responsible thing is to chase profits,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you think about it, that drives everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Patagonia is a massive, you know, clothing manufacturer,

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<v Speaker 1>make really really high end jackets and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Their whole mission is that they make you know, sustainable products.

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<v Speaker 1>They give money back to the environment and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I care about that and they want to

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<v Speaker 1>make profit, then they do those things and we support them.

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<v Speaker 1>So through their pursuit of profit, they are then doing

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<v Speaker 1>the social responsible thing. If there's two companies, one company

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<v Speaker 1>wants to dump you know, hazardous waste into the desert

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<v Speaker 1>and the other company wants to recycle and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the hazards waste doesn't go into the environment, well

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<v Speaker 1>then we would as consumers most likely we would support

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<v Speaker 1>the company that's not turning my hometown into a hazardous wasteland.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would support the one that doesn't, And so

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<v Speaker 1>through their pursuit of profit, hoping that I give them business,

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<v Speaker 1>they do the socially responsible thing. The problem is when

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<v Speaker 1>the incentives get perverted, when the government steps in, they

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<v Speaker 1>and then they bring in the bankers and they bring

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<v Speaker 1>in the investment companies and then they start giving money

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<v Speaker 1>for things insane, things like this that don't work, and

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<v Speaker 1>then people start to change their incentives. Perverse incentives lead

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<v Speaker 1>to perverse outcomes. It all goes back to the money.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about every problem in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>it always comes back down to the money. When the

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<v Speaker 1>money supply is broken, it changes the incentives of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was told one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Vladimir Lenin said that the best way to destroy capitalism

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<v Speaker 1>is to debouch the currency through massive inflation. We can

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<v Speaker 1>steal arbitrarily, so when they inflate money, they steal from you,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be done so far that all relation

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<v Speaker 1>to money is lost and the best way to get

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<v Speaker 1>rich is through gambling and theft. Very prophetic words from

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the revolution and communist Russia. Anyway, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're just tuning in you're listening to the Mark Mas Show,

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<v Speaker 1>we just run through what esg is and the dangers

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<v Speaker 1>to causes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully that's helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Share this episode with somebody that you thinks could benefit

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<v Speaker 1>from it, and that's what I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for listening today.