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Speaker 3: to play you some clips of Alex Michaelson, the Fox

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Speaker 3: eleven anchor, interviewing Karen Bass about the fire response, and

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Speaker 3: to be shocked. You may fall off your chair. Karen

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Speaker 3: didn't know about them. We have the warnings. They were

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Speaker 3: National Weather Service announcement. Well, the first one was on

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Speaker 3: January second that Bass wasn't aware of. But on January sixth,

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Speaker 3: an extremely de tailed, explicit warning. It is probably the

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Speaker 3: most blatant warning you'll ever read or hear about in

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Speaker 3: your life. And apparently it had no effect on Kristen Crowley,

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Speaker 3: the fire chief. And if anybody doesn't think Bass and

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Speaker 3: Crowley shouldn't be fired or shouldn't resign immediately after you

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Speaker 3: hear what we've got to tell you in the next hour.

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Speaker 2: Then there's something wrong with you. Then you're the problem.

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Speaker 3: Then you should go and deport yourself because people like

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Speaker 3: you shouldn't live in this city or in this county

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Speaker 3: if that's what you're willing to put up with, because

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Speaker 3: you're endangering the rest of us. I also have next

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Speaker 3: segment texts that somebody's leaking between Karen Bass and the

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Speaker 3: LA County Supervisor Lindsay Horvath, who covers the west side

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Speaker 3: of Los Angeles, and it's pretty obvious they don't like

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Speaker 3: each other. Now, Alex Stone, ABC News, because this is revolutionary.

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Speaker 3: Ten years too late. They sacrificed the generation. But now

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Speaker 3: the LA School District is banning cell phones. Students cannot

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Speaker 3: use their cell phones anymore. Just went into effect this week,

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Speaker 3: Alex tell us about it. Yeah while back when they

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Speaker 3: states are beginning to implement laws. California has when going

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Speaker 3: into effect next summer, where there's got to be a

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Speaker 3: them everywhere in classrooms, at lunch, not paying attention to teachers,

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Speaker 3: They're texting one another, they're looking up answers on tests,

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Speaker 3: until California bands at stay wide next summer, LAUSD the

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Speaker 3: this week saying it's time that the disc go into play.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully students are paying more attention in class, there will

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Speaker 3: And this comes down to kids bullying one another over

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Speaker 3: will just be down looking at their phone, kind of

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Speaker 3: flipping through Facebook and Instagram, and well maybe you are, Alex,

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Speaker 3: but I take meetings seriously. I'm just going to say

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Speaker 3: Jamie Diamond, the CEO of Chase, said in a speech

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Speaker 3: especially on zoom meetings, that everybody is texting one another

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Speaker 2: But it is a problem.

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Speaker 3: And in the Bay Area they have been doing this

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Speaker 1: During lunchtime in passing period, kids are talking to one another,

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Speaker 3: And think about when you're in an airport or on

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Speaker 2: Who is it talking again?

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Speaker 3: There was the superintendent superintendent of in northern California. Yes,

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Speaker 3: to each other again? Well, yeah, why'd you wait ten years?

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Speaker 3: Of course they are even at home. Imagine your kids

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Speaker 3: it kind of makes sense. But the in la this

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Speaker 3: campus will get to decide if they're going to ban them. Completely.

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Speaker 3: If they're going to lock them in phone pouches where

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Speaker 3: Do you think he's worried about calling his parents? That's

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Speaker 3: It's extremely unlikely to ever happen at your school. It's

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Speaker 2: Need for it.

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Speaker 3: But most kids in LAUSD, as of today, they don't

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Speaker 3: really yesterday, but this week they don't have any any

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Speaker 3: you for coming on. Can you imagine seven hours a

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: I could not imagine that at all, Alex. That would

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Speaker 2: You said that meeting. You cannot look at your phone,

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Speaker 3: I have an idea for you. What you got to

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'll keep your phone, I know you.

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Speaker 3: No, I will, and then we'll see what happens to

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Speaker 3: you have run airplanes when when we couldn't communicate with

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 3: Now it's just like you're on the ground, you're texting,

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Speaker 2: When people can't find me and they can't talk to me.

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Speaker 2: That's cool, Okay, you be you. But I like my phone.

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Speaker 2: I see a prank coming. I got to keep it.

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Speaker 5: So far away from you. Seriously, I would have.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to see that. I want to see

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Speaker 5: You know what, I hate I hate it because if

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Speaker 5: The fires? The fires were kind of an emergency, you know.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember, but that's what I get paid for.

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Speaker 5: But yes, they happen all the time. And comments about oh,

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Speaker 2: To millions pass every day.

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Speaker 5: I get it. I get it, and I do no

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Speaker 3: Well, you're not applying your math knowledge then to your

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Speaker 2: Check her likes.

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Speaker 5: That would be horrible. Speaking of likes, there's a very

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Speaker 5: cute picture of John and I on all the social

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Speaker 5: media is because this month marks my I've completed eight

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Speaker 5: years full time on this show working with John Cobels.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm entering my.

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Speaker 2: Ninth ninth year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Full time?

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Speaker 5: I worked on your show for four years, many years ago, part.

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Speaker 3: Time right, and then the part time before becoming full

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Speaker 3: Is hard to say that Horvath's frustration boiled over in

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Speaker 3: days after the National Weather Service put out the fire

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Speaker 3: Six forty eight seven seven. Moist eighty six is the

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Speaker 3: I just every day I say this. I just can't

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Speaker 6: And to go to Ghana, which I know you've said

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Speaker 8: So let me just tell you a couple of things.

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Speaker 8: it was going to be a very very short trip

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Speaker 2: Right, stop stop stop.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the most important sentence of the entire interview,

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Speaker 3: The warning came out at six twenty six pm Thursday,

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Speaker 2: January second, six, twenty six.

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Speaker 5: The National Weather Service was just being hysterical.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know how we always some storm watch, but

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Speaker 5: I think I even said that in one or two newscasts.

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Speaker 3: Had they just listened to you, I know, life would

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe moving forward, because I have a thing or

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Speaker 8: I think our preparation it wasn't what it typically is,

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Speaker 6: But what do you mean there were warnings you weren't

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Speaker 3: It's the National Weather Service In fact, by Thursday morning,

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Speaker 3: It was the Santa Monica Mountains, the foothills on both sides.

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Speaker 5: Well, now, Alex needs to go to Kristin Crawley and say, so,

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Speaker 3: And why didn't I don't understand why in the two

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Speaker 3: that's the thing. By time Monday morning comes, see, she

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Speaker 3: never should have left town. By time Monday morning comes,

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Speaker 3: she's already in Ghana. So when the when the warnings

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Speaker 3: were intensified, what did Kristin Crowley do? Well, she kept

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Speaker 3: a thousand firefighters, She sent them home instead of sending

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Speaker 3: them up into the hillsides. She kept forty engines in

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Speaker 3: the in the in the garage. Why you cannot get

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Speaker 3: a stronger warning than this. There is nothing more the

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Speaker 3: Weather Service can say to tell you that something horrifically

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Speaker 3: bad is likely to happen. If you were running a

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Speaker 3: fire department and you don't react to this warning, are

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Speaker 3: you brain dead?

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Speaker 5: Either they didn't see it, they didn't listen to the news,

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Speaker 5: or they or Kristin Crowley did not take it seriously.

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Speaker 3: And they have the internet in Ghana, I think, and

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Speaker 3: Bass has a big staff. I'm flabbering, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's heartbreaking because this should not have happened

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Speaker 3: to the people in Pacific Palisades. This should not have happened.

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Speaker 3: And they assist in fire chiefs and deputy chiefs that

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Speaker 3: were quoted in the Alley Times story by name earlier

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Speaker 3: this week said, you know, if you had people up there,

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Speaker 3: fire officials driving around.

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Speaker 2: Looking out, you could have jumped on this quickly.

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Speaker 5: You know what's interesting too that Bass said she was

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Speaker 5: making mention of the rain storm that we had, you know,

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Speaker 5: the last rainstorm, and how prepared we were. Well, of

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Speaker 5: course we were prepared because nobody wanted to have what

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Speaker 5: happened with the fires happen again so you know, she's

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Speaker 5: making this big to do about how prepared we were,

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Speaker 5: and we weren't that prepared with the fires. Well, of course,

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Speaker 5: because now you want to make sure that everybody looks

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Speaker 5: at you guys and says, I'll see see our city

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Speaker 5: officials look at they're keeping us safe.

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Speaker 3: So they didn't take the warning seriously.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so, or they did not see it.

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Speaker 3: Well, or they did not see it. Possible that nobody

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Speaker 3: on the staffs. I mean they I'm sure they listen.

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Speaker 3: They they all watched news.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. It makes no sense because that

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Speaker 5: was the lead story everywhere. It's the imminent extreme wind.

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Speaker 3: Events, and a lot of people in government are news

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Speaker 3: hounds and they want to see how you know, Karen

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Speaker 3: Bass is playing in the latest story of the day.

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Speaker 3: I really somebody there's much more to this story, but

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Speaker 3: nobody's talked for six weeks instead of just platitudes and cliches.

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Speaker 2: It's so incredibly frustrating.

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Speaker 3: They don't feel like it that they are required to

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Speaker 3: tell us what was going on in their empty little heads.

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Speaker 5: Because they hope that everybody's going to forget and they're

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Speaker 5: going to see how how well prepared. We were for

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Speaker 5: the rain, and we forget about the fires. But we

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Speaker 5: see that we you know, we didn't have significant damage

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Speaker 5: from mud slides into brief flows, right because everybody was

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Speaker 5: so prepared, and everybody kind of you know, as you

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Speaker 5: have said, you're not going to let this go.

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Speaker 3: No, no, because this is hundreds of billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: in costs. People died, people's lives have been ruined. And

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Speaker 3: I know this firsthand. Good friends of ours have their

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Speaker 3: lives completely ruined and it's gonna take years, in years

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Speaker 3: to fix. And you know, childhoods go by, whole era

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Speaker 3: in your life goes by. And because Kristin Crowley could

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Speaker 3: could not respond to life threatening, destructive windstorm, you couldn't

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Speaker 3: extreme fire danger, what other language could possibly be used?

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Speaker 3: I'll give the National Weather Service full credit. They gave clear,

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Speaker 3: repeated explicit warnings, colorful language, colorful.

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Speaker 2: Colorful graphics, graphics. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I just tweeted those four examples of the warnings at

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Speaker 3: John Cobelt Radio on Twitter. I posted screenshots of the

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Speaker 3: warnings from January second and on. So yeah, because you

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Speaker 3: want to check those out, go look at them at

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Speaker 3: John Cobelt Radio and you man roleplay say all right,

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Speaker 3: I'm the LA fire chief.

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Speaker 2: I just saw this. What do I do? I'm the

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Speaker 2: LA mayor. What do I do?

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Speaker 3: I work for the LA mayor or the fire chief.

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Speaker 3: They're texting all day each to each other, all these

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Speaker 3: government loads, all the deadwood that lives off our tax money.

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Speaker 3: They're texting all day. What anybody say? Hey, stream fire warning?

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Speaker 3: Should we be in position? Aaron Bass?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you make it easy and resign?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Do it now?

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Speaker 3: Do it before four o'clock. I'd love to have that

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Speaker 3: breaking news before we leave.

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Speaker 7: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI.

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Speaker 1: I'm sixty.

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Speaker 2: Eric Sclark just found this on Monday night.

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Speaker 3: Right Monday night, January sixth, there is an ex This

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Speaker 3: is from Karen Bass's.

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Speaker 2: Twitter.

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Speaker 3: There is an expected destructive and potentially life threatening windstorm

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Speaker 3: starting Tuesday morning through Wednesday afternoon. She retweeted the warning

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Speaker 3: from the National Weather Service red flag no parking restrictions

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Speaker 3: will go into effect. Oh yeah, that's what you should

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Speaker 3: be focusing on. Make sure people aren't illegally parking. Stay safe, LA.

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Speaker 3: But that's kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 3: There's an expected destructive and life threatening windstorm, red flag,

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Speaker 3: no parking restrictions, turn on the microphone. If you'd ever

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Speaker 3: sitting in here and just starts talking, I was.

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Speaker 5: Going to say, obviously, if you're if you're parking in

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Speaker 5: these places that you're not supposed to, then the fire

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Speaker 5: truck can't can't get right. So I get that. So

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Speaker 5: that shows that just shows how everybody really was allegedly concerned.

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Speaker 3: You know, I let me see if I saved it

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Speaker 3: or oh here, here we go. I'm trying to find

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Speaker 3: out how many people work in the mayor's office that

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Speaker 3: could have told Karen Bass listen to this. She has

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Speaker 3: a chief of staff named Chris Thompson who makes three

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Speaker 3: hundred and two thousand a year. Chris Thompson makes more

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Speaker 3: than Karen Bass. Karen makes only three hundred thousand and

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Speaker 3: he makes three or two. Then you have the chief

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Speaker 3: Legislative Rep. Mercedes Marquez makes two hundred and fifty five thousand.

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Speaker 3: And then listen to all these deputy mayors, Greg Good,

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Speaker 3: Mary Hodge, Aaron Broumagg mgham, Jene Holme, Jose Ramirez, Brenda Shockey,

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Speaker 3: Rachel Freeman, Jenna Hornstock, Brian Williams. Oh, he's the guy

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Speaker 3: they put on leave. He oversaw the fire department. He

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Speaker 3: was the one they accused of calling in bomb threats

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Speaker 3: to city. You believe this, y Well, I can Randall Winston,

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Speaker 3: Veronica Gudieri's Karen Lane. Each one of them is a

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Speaker 3: deputy mayor. There is twelve deputy mayors at least on

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Speaker 3: this list that make between one hundred and ninety eight

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Speaker 3: thousand and two hundred and forty six thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: This is millions of dollars in administrative management. And none

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Speaker 3: of them sat down with Kristin Crowley and put together

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Speaker 3: a plan.

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Speaker 5: Well, they were able to tweet about it, so somebody,

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Speaker 5: somebody in the administration knew.

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Speaker 3: Here is Alex Michaelson asking Karen Bass I want to

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Speaker 3: play cut h you know they going to cut four

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Speaker 3: because she talks about Kristin Crowley.

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Speaker 2: Cut four.

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Speaker 1: How do you.

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Speaker 6: Assess the job performance of the chief of fire department.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that that's something that has to be assessed.

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Speaker 8: I need to understand why things were differently this time

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Speaker 8: than they've been handled before.

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Speaker 2: And why do you think that is?

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure. Yeah, to be honest, with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 8: I think you and I spoke.

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Speaker 6: With her again.

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Speaker 8: Has happened all the time and not being able to

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Speaker 8: predict the seriousness of this, And I think again, it's

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Speaker 8: not just the city. We have to look at the

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Speaker 8: entire area.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about now, we're talking about the city.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about specifically Pacific Palisades. Why she even said

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Speaker 3: engines up there and firefighters?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: All right, here's.

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Speaker 3: Alex Michaelson asking Bass if the city failed the residents

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Speaker 3: Cup three?

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Speaker 6: Like Cup three, the city's preparation, As you mentioned, The

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Speaker 6: La Times had a story out just this week saying

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Speaker 6: that there could have been ten more fire engines in

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Speaker 6: the Palisades. Did the city fail the residents of the Palisades?

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Speaker 8: Well, again, all of that has to be examined with experts.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's all that there were firefighters that were

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Speaker 8: sent home, the shift was sent home. Why were they

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Speaker 8: sent home?

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Speaker 2: All of that needs were to be examined.

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Speaker 8: That's why we're going to have the investigations because it's

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Speaker 8: very important to get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 6: What does accountability look like to you? And is it

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Speaker 6: time that somebody be fired for this?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 8: Again, I mean, I think it's premature to say now

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Speaker 8: it is, but I do think that we have to

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Speaker 8: examine everything, and that is going to take place very soon.

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Speaker 2: What's with these experts.

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Speaker 3: You need to be an expert to say you should

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Speaker 3: have had more fire fires and fire engines and you

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Speaker 3: should have responded to the extreme mornings.

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Speaker 2: You need an expert to decode that.

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Speaker 3: Animals in the forest react immediately when they see danger,

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Speaker 3: you know, raccoons and squirrels and deer. They don't consult experts.

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Speaker 3: They see fire and they run away. If you hear

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Speaker 3: the Spashire Weather Services say really bad windstorm coming. You

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Speaker 3: sent firefighters and fire.

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Speaker 2: Engines into the hills.

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Speaker 3: And it may have started where the old fire from

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Speaker 3: New Year's Day got rekindled by the winds blowing. That

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Speaker 3: should have been the first place they should have been

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Speaker 3: watering that all night and all day because that was

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Speaker 3: a likely ignition point. So why weren't they at that.

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Speaker 3: They should have had an engine right there whatever road

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Speaker 3: led closest to that spot where the fireworks had started

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Speaker 3: the fire on New Year's Day, because because according to

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Speaker 3: the fire chief, yeah, that would have been the first

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Speaker 3: place to look. Losing my mind all right, Well, Conway's

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