Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I
Speaker 1: have with me oftentimes Dmitri. Hello, often times Dmitri. How
Speaker 1: are you? Always? Leah? Always? Leah is pretty good. She's
Speaker 1: excited about the hot topics today, not gonna lie. Also,
Speaker 1: she's still in Abiza and you may have just met
Speaker 1: my hot topic. Yeah, a couple of things. Haven't you
Speaker 1: been there for like three months? Have you moved there
Speaker 1: and not told us? It does feel like that. But
Speaker 1: I am leaving tomorrow for Croatia, Okay, taking a long
Speaker 1: round home, got it? Yeah? Yeah, I just have to
Speaker 1: get go and check all my offshore accounts. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: um met you know, uh, some interesting people here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure this is my place
Speaker 1: to say it, but I did notice that there was
Speaker 1: a strapping man in the background a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: And what nationality would you say he was? I believe
Speaker 1: that was an Australian accent that I heard. Hilarious British,
Speaker 1: But that's fine, was it really? Yeah or whatever? He's
Speaker 1: super proper. He's Jewish, He's super proper. Let's delve into
Speaker 1: that for a minute. I will say this, I did
Speaker 1: first think maybe we were cousins. I was like, I
Speaker 1: think we need to check before we can move forward
Speaker 1: with this. Okay, So that was okay. I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure that that wasn't like, oh, let me
Speaker 1: meet him. I think we might be cousins. So he
Speaker 1: was both. I was honestly checking to see if maybe
Speaker 1: that was your first reaction versus Lee is definitely making
Speaker 1: out with this man, you know, I mean, nice, nice
Speaker 1: British Jewish man. How many of those are going to find?
Speaker 1: He seems very nice, seemed very helpful, super helpful. So
Speaker 1: you are making out with him? Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean I don't want to two assumptions,
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, I'm making out with my cousin. So perfect.
Speaker 1: Speaking of cousins, ha ha no, no, speaking of family feuds.
Speaker 1: We've got some interesting hot topics today. We've got Kelly
Speaker 1: Clarkson's ex husband accusing her of spying on him l
Speaker 1: O L. We've got, obviously, our Dave Chappelle dramas continuing
Speaker 1: on figuring out a little bit more about his attacker.
Speaker 1: And then we have this insane case that I'm sure
Speaker 1: you guys have all been following about Casey and Vicky White,
Speaker 1: although not related L O L. And then we will
Speaker 1: finally be rounding out with Devon Duniver today. All right, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: let's just dive right into Kelly Clarkson because this is
Speaker 1: pretty bad ship. Yeah, it's uh. You wonder how these
Speaker 1: kids couldn't make it with stories like this. I always
Speaker 1: wonder how kids of stars do it, you know, because
Speaker 1: I feel like their whole lives are under a scrutiny,
Speaker 1: which is essentially what Kelly his ex husband is accusing
Speaker 1: her of doing. So. Despite on an hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand dollar a month spousal support settlement, it seems that
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson and Brandon black Stock divorce drama is far
Speaker 1: from over. Two months after their divorce was finalized, Brandon's
Speaker 1: legal team has filed new court documents demanding Kelly has
Speaker 1: all of her thirteen CCTV cameras switched off at the
Speaker 1: property for the remainder of brandon stay at the Montana ranch. Reportedly,
Speaker 1: Brandon feels spied on because he suspects Kelly may have
Speaker 1: access to the CCTV footage on the property and wants
Speaker 1: them all turned off his legal tam is also demanding
Speaker 1: proof once the cameras are disabled, and as part of
Speaker 1: the divorce settlement, black Stock was allowed to continue living
Speaker 1: at the Montana Ranch through the month of June. Apparently
Speaker 1: he could not afford to go to place of his
Speaker 1: own the former couple allegedly so, it said in the
Speaker 1: article the former couple shares seven year old River and
Speaker 1: six year old Remington. Not only is Kelly have to
Speaker 1: pay him a hundred and fifteen k a month through January,
Speaker 1: she was also hit with a one time payment to
Speaker 1: her ex in the amount of one point three mill. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: her child supports Brandon. Isn't astounding forty thousand. You know
Speaker 1: there's some money floating around there. So right away I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out the I couldn't afford another place. Hundred
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand a month, isn't. And I know some of
Speaker 1: us for the kids, isn't He also like the stepson
Speaker 1: of Barbara streisand or something he is I thought, so
Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to misspeak here, but I thought
Speaker 1: he was the stepson or something of somebody. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: meet you do some googling before you make such a
Speaker 1: crazy claim like that. Well, no, for what, that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing here. Okay, so that's yeah, we make crazy
Speaker 1: claims so allegedly steps on of Barbera Streis. And also
Speaker 1: how much money do your kids need per month? Not much? Everyone? Right?
Speaker 1: And then plus the one point three on top of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, was he just like a trophy dad? Husband?
Speaker 1: There are a few of us out there, hilarious, just
Speaker 1: because you look like a trophy you mean just stone face? Oh, oh,
Speaker 1: stone face? That is what I meant, Dmitri, don't leave me. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing though, I am fine with him not
Speaker 1: wanting the cameras on, right, because that could be a
Speaker 1: little weird. Um. I don't know what he's doing or
Speaker 1: if he just feels like she's trying to you know,
Speaker 1: they've already settled stuff, right, so it's not like she
Speaker 1: would be trying to gather stuff. She it's a huge ranch,
Speaker 1: and their cameras. I don't think that they're in his
Speaker 1: bedroom or bathroom. Like what privacy does he need that's
Speaker 1: on her property that he feels like it's being intruded,
Speaker 1: like who's coming in and out? That he feels like
Speaker 1: he needs this extra privacy, Like if there's coming in
Speaker 1: and out that she needs the cameras on. Maybe there
Speaker 1: are thieves, the reasonable, the whole reason they have cameras
Speaker 1: in the first place, you know, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well
Speaker 1: here's the thing. So if he's gonna say she has
Speaker 1: to turn these off, then he then has to sign
Speaker 1: something and say if anything goes wrong, if someone breaks
Speaker 1: onto the property, if someone trashes the property, that's on me,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to take care of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I acent agree with that. I feel like if
Speaker 1: anything is quote unquote stolen from the property after the
Speaker 1: cameras go off, it's going to be an inside job.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, okay, sorry. Reba McIntire was married to
Speaker 1: Brandon Blackstock's father, literally so far from Barber Streisand no, no,
Speaker 1: not so far, because they're both um singers and they're
Speaker 1: both famous. So in order to be so far, you'd
Speaker 1: have to be like, oh no, this one's a circus
Speaker 1: clown and this one works in construction. That's the farthest
Speaker 1: you can get. I guess they are both white women.
Speaker 1: You got me there, Tomitri, you got me there. So
Speaker 1: after what many people would probably consider a massive financial
Speaker 1: win for Brandon and this divorce settlement. Do you think
Speaker 1: this weird legal move just adds to the bad blood?
Speaker 1: And do you think it's going to affect the kids?
Speaker 1: I think it's My impression is that this is just
Speaker 1: a petty move, like, well, I have you know, if
Speaker 1: she's looking at the cameras for what you've already settled,
Speaker 1: If he's worried about the cameras and saying turn them
Speaker 1: off and she's not, like it's to me, it just
Speaker 1: seems like pettiness right now. Yeah. Also, he's already gotten
Speaker 1: so much money out of her. Just just let her
Speaker 1: watch you do weird stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like she she paid a fair price to watch
Speaker 1: the show. Let her leave the thirteen cameras off. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if you I think you're
Speaker 1: just saying that. I don't know if you agree with that.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: it is very funny. But I just wanted the funny.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Speaking of funny,
Speaker 1: let's head back into our fave Dave Chappelle incident at
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. So you guys know that his attacker
Speaker 1: came on stage and that he was mangled. This man
Speaker 1: left broken in peace. Is a lot of people tackled him,
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of him. Right, So Dave's attacker
Speaker 1: Apparently Dave met with his attacker by the way, and
Speaker 1: he claims he did it for the fact that his
Speaker 1: grandma had been forced out of her Brooklyn neighborhood because
Speaker 1: of gentrification. And I don't know if you guys all
Speaker 1: know this, but recently, apparently Dave was caught quote unquote
Speaker 1: being against an affordable housing plan in Ohio, where he lives,
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe that there was some backlash
Speaker 1: from that, although when you read more into that story,
Speaker 1: it's more about the fact that it is a small town,
Speaker 1: and it's more about keeping the town a small town
Speaker 1: rather than adding so many more homes and having it
Speaker 1: be a complete changed atmosphere from where he grew up
Speaker 1: in what the town used to be. And he said
Speaker 1: he was gonna pull all of this funding from making
Speaker 1: a comedy club and all these I mean, look, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their own opinion, right, Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: why he's saying that he lunged onto the stage, and
Speaker 1: I guess made this whole ploy to hurt Dave. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if he had an end goal. No,
Speaker 1: I mean what was yeah, what was the end goal?
Speaker 1: Was he going to then stand up and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt him. I know I have
Speaker 1: this fake gun in this real knife. I just want
Speaker 1: to raise awareness from my grandmother's Like, it seems like
Speaker 1: an excuse. And apparently he's at l A County jail
Speaker 1: with Bale said at thirty, which is low enough that
Speaker 1: he could probably get out if someone wanted to get
Speaker 1: him out of air like Brandon Blackstock exactly. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's making more than that per month anyway. Um. And
Speaker 1: and also this guy's twenty three. I don't know. This
Speaker 1: seems like one of those things where you just find
Speaker 1: out later that someone was on drugs or was mentally
Speaker 1: ill or I don't know. It just seems like such
Speaker 1: a completely out of place motivation. It is, And and
Speaker 1: I think if you want to raise awareness, there's there's
Speaker 1: other ways to do. Granted, Hinckley Jr. Shot President Reagan
Speaker 1: because he was trying to get Jodie Foster to go
Speaker 1: out with him, which I mean, digging all the issues
Speaker 1: with that one but so there are there are cases
Speaker 1: where people do something outrageous to draw attention for something
Speaker 1: but clearly not sane. But I don't buy it. I
Speaker 1: feel like this was an act. Maybe he was angry
Speaker 1: about what Chappelle said, but I don't think he was
Speaker 1: raising awareness. I don't think he was doing this for
Speaker 1: his grandmother. No, I didn't see a sign that said
Speaker 1: gentrification is ruining everything. You know. It wasn't yelling at
Speaker 1: when they were beating the ship out of him. No, No.
Speaker 1: And I don't see him marching around outside of a
Speaker 1: Starbucks near him. You know, that's really the big issue
Speaker 1: here is not Dave Chappelle's Starbucks. Sorry, just hanging around
Speaker 1: a British man. Just really never mind. Okay, so a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little, i'd say things are going well there.
Speaker 1: Uh does he live there or is he? No, he
Speaker 1: lives in London. Okay, So thanks for coming back to
Speaker 1: what's important. Well, so I'm just trying to plan out,
Speaker 1: so there's probably gonna be more podcasts from London to Okay, Tree,
Speaker 1: It's like you saw right through my plan. Wow, I
Speaker 1: could never commit a crime because Dmitri had figured out instantly.
Speaker 1: That's right. But as far as this guy that tackled
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, like if he wanted to go strike up
Speaker 1: a deal with the dude with a sign or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: you're right, the signs go some somewhere else. This to
Speaker 1: me is is I went nuts, and now I'm trying
Speaker 1: to to back it off, which drives me crazy because
Speaker 1: all these people who do things and say no, no,
Speaker 1: it was just this, it's like, you know what you
Speaker 1: did it, just own up to it. We have we
Speaker 1: don't have enough resources and time to sift through everyone's
Speaker 1: back channeling of how to get out of something that
Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, it's like if I had to get
Speaker 1: out of every time I brought up a guy I
Speaker 1: thought was going to be the one on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I think my grandma got divorced by him,
Speaker 1: mean person, And so now I'm against all marriages, so
Speaker 1: I got to talk about them. And the whole reason
Speaker 1: I keep talking about conjugal visits is because somewhere in
Speaker 1: my lineage someone was in prison, and I find that
Speaker 1: hot something here analogy is better. So I think it's
Speaker 1: also interesting is that Howard Stern, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you heard about this Howard Stern is just popping off
Speaker 1: on Hollywood hypocrisy. You know, he does what he does.
Speaker 1: So during a recent episode of Howard Stern Show, he's saying,
Speaker 1: the guy jumped on stage and attacked Dave Chappelle as
Speaker 1: soon as it happened. Did they let him go back
Speaker 1: to his seat and laugh and sit next to his
Speaker 1: wife and then give him an award? No, they took
Speaker 1: him backstage. They broke his arms and hands so bad
Speaker 1: they and I quote beat the ship out of him.
Speaker 1: Howard says Will should not have been treated differently just
Speaker 1: because of the celebrity status, adding that the academy didn't
Speaker 1: react properly. But is it the academy or is that everyone?
Speaker 1: You know? Because when Dave got attacked, all the other
Speaker 1: comedians start running on stage and see any other actors
Speaker 1: getting up there being like, oh should I get my
Speaker 1: gown dirty? You know, right? And there was no standing ovation. Obviously,
Speaker 1: his his reference well, you know, I think we've said
Speaker 1: this before. I don't think it was handled properly. So
Speaker 1: he's really just adding on to what we've all discussed,
Speaker 1: and his analogy or here's his comparison doesn't totally work
Speaker 1: because this guy wasn't up for an award at the
Speaker 1: Netflix is a joke thing. He was just there. So no,
Speaker 1: they didn't send him back to his wife and he
Speaker 1: get an award. But the point is made, and that
Speaker 1: should Will Smith have had his arms broken and beat
Speaker 1: up backstage? No, these guys reacted to a threat to
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle and people because Will Smith was a celebrity.
Speaker 1: They didn't see it as much of a threat to
Speaker 1: Chris Rock. Wasn't handled in correctly, Yeah, Kristen, Chris, Will
Speaker 1: didn't have a gun, Will didn't have a knife. Will
Speaker 1: wasn't premeditated, and Will had had a reputation, right, and
Speaker 1: this guy was an unknown with weapons, multiple and premeditated
Speaker 1: the fact that he was going to do this right,
Speaker 1: So that's pretty scary. That's a little different in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I wonder if his grandma is proud for the awareness
Speaker 1: he rose and gentrification. Yeah, now they're never gonna build
Speaker 1: up you know, they won't name it after him. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that did you get what you wanted? Speaking
Speaker 1: of getting what you wanted? Is this back to your guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so cute. Speaking of getting what you wanted? Well,
Speaker 1: these two people did not get what they wanted. It
Speaker 1: was that a good segue, would you say, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're on the right road. But then I think there's
Speaker 1: a speed bump. But there was a speed bump in
Speaker 1: that I did the opposite of the thing that I wanted. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you guys have heard about the Casey White Vicky
Speaker 1: White no relations story right and escaped Alabama inmate. Casey
Speaker 1: White called prison guard his wife wif I just felt
Speaker 1: like saying like that when apprehended. Okay. Vicky White died
Speaker 1: Monday night at the hospital and Casey is now in custody.
Speaker 1: So we've been following this little chase. Florence, Alabama murder
Speaker 1: suspect Casey White has been interviewed extensively since he was
Speaker 1: apprehended in Indiana on Monday, ending an eleven day multistate
Speaker 1: man hunt, and is cooperating with the investigation. So after
Speaker 1: escaped in May, Casey White, thirty eight, and Lauderdale County
Speaker 1: Assistant Director of Corrections Vicky White, fifty six, were spotted
Speaker 1: at an Evansville, Indiana hotel on Monday. They led police
Speaker 1: on a car chase in a Cadillac. The crash ended
Speaker 1: in a wreck Cadillac. Yeah right, I mean it sounds
Speaker 1: it just sounds like fear and loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: So the crowd they were just they were literally just
Speaker 1: heading to Vegas to get Vegas married. That's all that
Speaker 1: was happening. So the crash ended in a wreck. Vicky
Speaker 1: was hospitalized for injuries from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.
Speaker 1: Official set she died at a hospital Monday night in
Speaker 1: a topsy is set for today Tuesday, but by the
Speaker 1: time listening to this Wednesday, or whenever you get around
Speaker 1: listening to it. The man hunt began on April nine,
Speaker 1: when Casey and Vicky, who are not related L O
Speaker 1: L fled the Lauderdale County jail. This honestly feels a
Speaker 1: lot like me and Adam were like, are we related
Speaker 1: or are we dating? Okay. Authorities said they believe Vicky
Speaker 1: willingly participated in the escape, which took place on her
Speaker 1: last day before retirement. I go further than to say
Speaker 1: she willingly participated. I think she planned the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And do you think that she thought she would get
Speaker 1: away with it because she was retiring. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you can't be that bright to think Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm retiring soever they think, oh, she didn't come back
Speaker 1: to work. No, she's with the dude that she walked
Speaker 1: out of prison. She said, I'm gonna bring him, she
Speaker 1: told everybody because she was what the assistant director or
Speaker 1: deputy whatever, she said, I'm bringing him to his mental
Speaker 1: health check at the courthouse or whatever. There was no appointment,
Speaker 1: there was no so to think that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to like follow up and realize that there were some
Speaker 1: plot holes there shows that she was not really thinking
Speaker 1: this past the plan of getting him out of there, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, as you said, eleven day man hunt, right,
Speaker 1: they were gone for eleven days that they escaped where
Speaker 1: they find him like six hours away. So maybe you
Speaker 1: planned how to get out, but you didn't really plan
Speaker 1: what you're going to do after that. Yeah, and can
Speaker 1: we call it a person hunt? Okay? There are two
Speaker 1: people involved in one is not a man Dmitri Okay,
Speaker 1: But I also would like to say, look at all
Speaker 1: the just the holes and the gaps in the system.
Speaker 1: The fact that there was never even an appointment, but
Speaker 1: no one checked up on it. Yeah, Well, and I
Speaker 1: think that's because she was the assistant deputy, and so
Speaker 1: she told her she was the superior to these people,
Speaker 1: and she said, I'm to do this, so why would
Speaker 1: they double check? But it was apparently on a day
Speaker 1: where everyone was like in court doing that, like everyone
Speaker 1: was kind of a sign place. It was perfectly I
Speaker 1: think the escape was perfectly planned on her part. It
Speaker 1: was just why would you only go six hours away
Speaker 1: get as far ways? Haven't you seen any movies like
Speaker 1: watch anything with Liam Neeson just just for fun because
Speaker 1: he's fantastic, but also he's fantastic, but also you learn
Speaker 1: how to escape from jail and then moved to a
Speaker 1: different country like everyone else, you know, six hours away
Speaker 1: in a motel six. I mean, they had no plan,
Speaker 1: that's clear. I think they just thought they would wing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if she genuinely thought that people
Speaker 1: would think that she somehow got captured and was brought
Speaker 1: along for the ride, but then she committed suicide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and like they said, there was no way that
Speaker 1: he planned this, Like and by the way, he's just
Speaker 1: singing along with it. They apparently they interviewed him after
Speaker 1: they caught him, and he's they said, he's very helpful,
Speaker 1: like he's and he wants to go back to Alabama.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he signed his waive, the extradition thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll go back. She killed herself and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh go. But he was like it was good. It
Speaker 1: was a good run. We tried. But is there any
Speaker 1: world that exists where if we're thinking in a weird
Speaker 1: fantasy land, right, It's like, let's just put this in
Speaker 1: movie terms. What if he pretended to be in love
Speaker 1: with her to get out and it just didn't go
Speaker 1: as planned. There were some sort of romantic turmoil, et cetera,
Speaker 1: she realized her big mistakes, and then maybe she tried
Speaker 1: to make sure he couldn't leave and then it just
Speaker 1: ended in this situation. Is that possible. It's possible, And
Speaker 1: I like where you're going with that. But my understanding
Speaker 1: is that he takes UM medicine for psychotic episodes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and what he's up I think it's
Speaker 1: different UM and what he's in prison for. You're not
Speaker 1: in prison. What he's in prison for is pretty violent
Speaker 1: stuff and pretty like through fits of rage and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it would it be interesting if that was the case, Yes,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the case. But don't you
Speaker 1: think he could be super manipulative? Sure, because my understanding
Speaker 1: is that there was also when he was in a
Speaker 1: different prison, he became very friendly with with the guar
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so that could be his thing.
Speaker 1: There might have there might be more of the story
Speaker 1: that we will never know. Yeah, this guy's mother you
Speaker 1: this guys six pounds like gigantic, Like Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: where I was going with them. No, definitely not where
Speaker 1: you were going. Yeah. Um, I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: the story unfold, although I feel like we will probably
Speaker 1: not get the truth on this, probably not, although they
Speaker 1: haven't released what he's been saying. But it will be interesting. Obviously.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately she is deceased and we won't be hearing from her.
Speaker 1: But I liken this too. You know this is like
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this. I'm gonna try and put
Speaker 1: this in an analogy that that you would understand. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've been hit on by a guy that's like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: if I could only be with you and this and that,
Speaker 1: and then once you guys got together, it's like, well
Speaker 1: that sucked. That's what this is. She's like, man, we're
Speaker 1: going to escape for prison. I got this whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. They got out of prison. She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, should we just drive to a motel six?
Speaker 1: Like nothing, there's no there's no payoff. She really for
Speaker 1: everything that she put on the line. This was botched.
Speaker 1: This was very botched. This was very botched. This is
Speaker 1: like a bad celebrity plastic surgery. Yes, speaking of, I
Speaker 1: think it's time for us to delve into our main
Speaker 1: case for today. This is this is really heartbreaking. I
Speaker 1: actually do hate this story. By the way, shall we
Speaker 1: take a break and come back to it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to cry before we just really dive into the
Speaker 1: dark stuff. Yeah we went from having some fun with stuff,
Speaker 1: but this one's a little darker. So yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back down. Touch that dial. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: it's Cheryl Burke. You know me from Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: But guess what, I have a new podcast called Burke
Speaker 1: in the Game. It may look like that my life
Speaker 1: is full of costumes and whatever, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you probably don't know the Cheryl behind
Speaker 1: the Mirrorball trophy. I've been really curious about how and
Speaker 1: why a lot of my relationships or every single one
Speaker 1: really has not worked out, and I can only point
Speaker 1: the finger at myself. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: want to work on is not being so controlling, Like
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of thinking that I can control everything
Speaker 1: around me when there isn't enough hours in the day
Speaker 1: even if there were. In order for me to really
Speaker 1: practice what I'm preaching, I have to turn my life
Speaker 1: over to someone else, and what better way than to
Speaker 1: turn it over to you, guys. I have to be
Speaker 1: able to take accountability, and that's what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1: Listen to Burke in the Game starting May tenth on
Speaker 1: the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. I don't know why I keep saying
Speaker 1: dial Dmitri, but here we are social sleuths. We are back.
Speaker 1: No one has a dial, no one, no one's dialing anything.
Speaker 1: I might go as far as to say that you're
Speaker 1: too young to we even say that, because he just
Speaker 1: feels like the thing you're supposed to say. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you were born in the dial period, right, No, you
Speaker 1: were born into the remote control era. Yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: remote control baby because she lacks control in every other area.
Speaker 1: Of her life. So anyway, let me just mute myself.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dmitri, Thank you. Dmitri wanted to laugh hysterically
Speaker 1: and then cry, and then he was very sad about
Speaker 1: just everything I've said. In general. Dmitri is still in
Speaker 1: a high from going to Tom Cruise's red carpet. That
Speaker 1: was fun. Did you make any good contacts, you get
Speaker 1: any good photos? You didn't send us any well, because
Speaker 1: you were telling me that you were going to start
Speaker 1: photo shopping yourself in them, and what is wrong with that? Okay? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'll just laugh. A Getty Image logo on it, like
Speaker 1: I was definitely there, even though I was halfway across
Speaker 1: the world. Time to get into the case. It just
Speaker 1: aired last Friday, So you are watched in you know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about? What is this case in? A
Speaker 1: five year old girl named Devon vanished from her apartment
Speaker 1: and Anthony Harris, then twelve years old, was charged and
Speaker 1: convicted of her murder. It was very sad. On June,
Speaker 1: Devin disappeared after she went outside to play. After Doniver
Speaker 1: disappeared from her new Philadelphia, Ohio apartment, her body was
Speaker 1: found in a nearby wooded area. A day later. Harris
Speaker 1: and his family lived in the same apartment complex as
Speaker 1: their family and helped in the search. Authorities say the
Speaker 1: little girl was stepped seven times in the neck. Two
Speaker 1: weeks after the body was found, Anthony was brought to
Speaker 1: the police station for questioning. At first, he denied he
Speaker 1: was involved, but he said the pressure from police got
Speaker 1: the best of him. During a hostile interrogation in investigators
Speaker 1: pressured Harris to admit to her murder, which eventually placed
Speaker 1: him behind bars, despite lacking evidence to verify him at
Speaker 1: the scene of the murder. This is very reminiscent of
Speaker 1: Amanda Knox and the Italian officials trying to force a confession.
Speaker 1: According to Harris's interview with says the investigator, he had
Speaker 1: basically told me that if you confessed to this murder,
Speaker 1: you can go home. It's like, okay, well, I'm over
Speaker 1: here scared, so I want to go home. He was
Speaker 1: found guilty, but one an appeal, and his conviction was
Speaker 1: overturned in June of two thousand, after the Ohio Fifth
Speaker 1: Court of Appeals determined his confession was coerced. Harris, a
Speaker 1: former marine, is frustrated the actual killer of Doniver has
Speaker 1: not been brought to justice. So this is a really
Speaker 1: interesting story because he still wants to find who the
Speaker 1: real killer is as well. More than twenty years after
Speaker 1: Anthony's conviction was overturned, Devon's murder still just remains a
Speaker 1: cold case. Harris ledges that there were some leads in
Speaker 1: this case that were never pursued. Some people who were
Speaker 1: part of the search parties say they looked around the
Speaker 1: area where the little girl was found and didn't see her,
Speaker 1: so they believe her body was placed there after the fact.
Speaker 1: Other witnesses claimed during the trial that they saw a
Speaker 1: man in the area who was wearing a long sleeve
Speaker 1: plaid flannel shirt, which they said was odd given that
Speaker 1: it felt like a ninety degree summer day. Harris said
Speaker 1: he wasn't giving up his drive to help find the
Speaker 1: person responsible for her death. I think that this is
Speaker 1: a really hard story obviously, and I mean it's really
Speaker 1: interesting about miners being interrogated and pressured to confess to crimes,
Speaker 1: and or the fact that you know, his mom was
Speaker 1: able to watch the interrogation through the mirror but couldn't
Speaker 1: hear anything that he was saying. Do you think parents
Speaker 1: should be able to hear what their kids are saying
Speaker 1: when they're being questioned by the police. I would think
Speaker 1: or their lawyer or somebody like you can't have a
Speaker 1: twelve year old in there. And then, like as you said,
Speaker 1: if if the twelve year old scared and listen, I
Speaker 1: obviously don't know if he did this or not. I
Speaker 1: tend to believe he didn't. Um. But if they have
Speaker 1: a twelve year old there and they're scared and there's
Speaker 1: no one else and these guys are just laying them,
Speaker 1: just tell us you did tell us you did it.
Speaker 1: Tell oh you did this. We know how that goes
Speaker 1: in there, right, Hey, you can go home if you
Speaker 1: did this. The kids can say I did it because
Speaker 1: I want to go home, right. Also, you know kids
Speaker 1: sometimes not that they lie, but I think you know,
Speaker 1: kids have imaginations, and I think that you're the parent
Speaker 1: would want to hear things because if the kid is
Speaker 1: not sure about a timeline or saying things that aren't
Speaker 1: you know, trying to if someone's trying to place them
Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime, but you know they
Speaker 1: were actually at the grocery store with their mom at
Speaker 1: that time, but they're saying that they were out playing.
Speaker 1: You know that could potentially completely throw an entire case.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that obviously parents should be
Speaker 1: able to hear their kids if they're under eighteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially these guys are good and interrogators are good at
Speaker 1: what they do. Right, So you're you're matching wits with
Speaker 1: a twelve year old who may nothing. Nothing makes me,
Speaker 1: that's not sure. A lot of things make me angry,
Speaker 1: But I really don't like the the thing. And we've
Speaker 1: seen it in a lot of true crime stuff where
Speaker 1: the police just get something in their head and they're like,
Speaker 1: they just drive that home, and meanwhile there's other options
Speaker 1: that are missed or other evidence and and things to
Speaker 1: look into that just aren't don't get the attention. And
Speaker 1: that's the other thing too, is that this boy who
Speaker 1: probably didn't commit this murder, right, It's like, did he
Speaker 1: have anger issues? Did you like to have to stab
Speaker 1: someone seven times in the neck? Five year old? By
Speaker 1: the way, and not to not to like this is
Speaker 1: sad enough, but think about the size of a five
Speaker 1: year old neck, Like what the that's that's some up stuff.
Speaker 1: Getting the nice figure like this is a very calculated
Speaker 1: you know, and I just can't imagine how this would happen.
Speaker 1: And if they're saying that the body was placed there after,
Speaker 1: then he certainly didn't do it unless he got help
Speaker 1: from adults, because you couldn't have carried her body, and
Speaker 1: then where would you've hit it. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: too complicated. Honestly, I'm not saying that kids aren't smart.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this is really out of the
Speaker 1: wheelhouse of a twelve year old. I believe, I think
Speaker 1: so too, and you know, and it was overturned. And
Speaker 1: but the thing is when you do that, when you
Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, we know what it is, and
Speaker 1: you just put all your your resources into pinning it
Speaker 1: on that person, you're missing all this other stuff, the
Speaker 1: the guy in the flannel shirt and ninety degree weather.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems like something people in Ohio
Speaker 1: would do. Don't be mad at me, Ohio or whatever.
Speaker 1: Call us on the hotline if you're mad. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like, maybe that's something, maybe it's not, but there
Speaker 1: are there certainly has to be other things that could
Speaker 1: have been, you know, looked at. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how they did their job, but it sounds like they
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, took this twelve year old kid and
Speaker 1: was and was like this is it and and just
Speaker 1: focus their resources on that and how flims he couldn't
Speaker 1: have been a year later it's overturned. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes they just fixate on wanting to get an answer
Speaker 1: and moving on and they don't even care if it's
Speaker 1: right or wrong. It's like you don't care that you're
Speaker 1: messing with someone's entire life, you know. So his life
Speaker 1: was changed forever, right, I mean he basically that follows
Speaker 1: you around. You know, there's and there's no justice to
Speaker 1: the story. So it's she's still dead. He his name
Speaker 1: is forever tarnished, even though he never actually murdered anyone,
Speaker 1: and especially since they never found right. So it's not
Speaker 1: like they're saying, oh, he's innocent. They're saying the case
Speaker 1: was overturned because of of not enough evidence or whatever.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't even have you're right, he doesn't even
Speaker 1: have his name cleared from that like, oh he didn't
Speaker 1: do it. It's like, oh, he wasn't found, he wasn't
Speaker 1: required to stay in prison for it, right, So you
Speaker 1: know that there are some people who probably think he
Speaker 1: still did it. It's so said, do you think that
Speaker 1: there should be some sort of restitution paid to him
Speaker 1: and his family for what they had to go through? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think obviously. I think it has to
Speaker 1: be proven. You know, they have to find the killer
Speaker 1: or prove that it wasn't him in order to pay
Speaker 1: that out. But if that's the case, then I think yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And his life is his life is completely changed. No, nothing,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, the most heart felt thing here goes
Speaker 1: to the family, the five year old in the family
Speaker 1: of devon Um. But then his family and if he
Speaker 1: didn't do this, that's their lives were shattered and altered
Speaker 1: forever as well. So if if he had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this, yeah, there should be some sort of compensation.
Speaker 1: I think so too. And do you think that there's
Speaker 1: any chance of this case being solved more than twenty
Speaker 1: years later? I mean, in my opinion, thank you Leah
Speaker 1: asking your answering your own question. In my opinion, it
Speaker 1: will just seems like there were a lot of leads
Speaker 1: they never followed up on. So unless there's any sort
Speaker 1: of DNA evidence, it's going to be impossible. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And I've said in my mind a lot of times
Speaker 1: I've said, oh, we're never gonna have the answer to
Speaker 1: this one, but then for some reason, something comes up.
Speaker 1: And nowadays, obviously they're doing so much more with DNA,
Speaker 1: and it's that now they like they'll even dig up
Speaker 1: graves and find DNA that matches. Are you scratching your
Speaker 1: nose with your microphone? I did scratch my nose with
Speaker 1: my microphone, and no one needed to know that. But
Speaker 1: I do appreciate you calling attention to it. We can
Speaker 1: cut that out. I thought you were just it looked
Speaker 1: like you were nuzzling up to it or something. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was Adam, my British Jewish man. But no, no,
Speaker 1: I but I do. I think they can do a
Speaker 1: lot with DNA. But is their DNA evidence? You know,
Speaker 1: they've been able to solve cases thirty years after the
Speaker 1: fact because there is DNA evidence and now they have
Speaker 1: better technology. I just this feels this has the essence
Speaker 1: of a forever cult case. It's it's very possible, but um,
Speaker 1: you never know, because obviously they must have collected and
Speaker 1: hopefully held onto evidence from that day whatever she was
Speaker 1: wearing where they found her stuff like that, And I
Speaker 1: have seen cases where they go back and they they
Speaker 1: then matched two evidence that is that old DNA stuff
Speaker 1: now that they have the technology, so it is possible,
Speaker 1: but you kind of figured they would have done that already. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd like to think, but obviously there's
Speaker 1: some cases that have not been solved that are similar
Speaker 1: to that. So it's it's possible. We'll never know. It's
Speaker 1: possible we'll never know. All right, you know this is
Speaker 1: a really heavy case, Dmitri, So I think i'd like
Speaker 1: to go to break before we cover our last hot
Speaker 1: topic for today. And as you pointed out, these breaks
Speaker 1: are not times for the listeners to go and commit crimes. No,
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I was asking you permission
Speaker 1: to take a break a break. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: took it that way because you would never social suits.
Speaker 1: BRB babes and welcome back to Real time Crime, you guys.
Speaker 1: Today's last hot topic. Jesus, this is I mean, what
Speaker 1: is going on with our prison system? Okay? In St. Louis,
Speaker 1: a corrections officer has been arrested for bringing drugs to inmates.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's like I kind of just assume
Speaker 1: this happens all the time. If I'm honest, all right,
Speaker 1: moving on, I don't know, I never really gave a thought,
Speaker 1: but clearly there's there's a bond that gets created between
Speaker 1: certain correction officers and inmates and stuff like that. Um
Speaker 1: so it's the only human interaction, you know. I feel
Speaker 1: like you become attracted to whoever you're around, whether for
Speaker 1: better or for worse, you know. And that's why I'm
Speaker 1: starting to feel like I shouldn't just have feelings for
Speaker 1: the first European man I meet. That's like buying the
Speaker 1: first house you see. It's like, yeah, but when you
Speaker 1: but when you've been living on the street and you
Speaker 1: you know you have good money to buy a house,
Speaker 1: you buy it when in Rome, Yeah, you just buy
Speaker 1: the house in Rome. So, guys, I'm moving to London
Speaker 1: anyway to mean she's dying, okay. So so this officer
Speaker 1: was arrested while on duty after she was accused of
Speaker 1: delivering drugs to inmates. Guys. This officer had worked at
Speaker 1: the correctional facility for four years before her arrest. After
Speaker 1: a very long investigation, authorities claim that she brought in contraband,
Speaker 1: which included drugs and possibly fentanyl. The inmate she delivered
Speaker 1: the drugs too. Is Anthony Chapman, who also faces similar charges,
Speaker 1: but he's already in jail, so I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: he just stays a little longer. According to authorities, text
Speaker 1: messages dating back to October two thousand twenty one showed Coffer,
Speaker 1: the corrections officer, and Chapman discussing their plans on how
Speaker 1: to transport the drugs, along with footage showing the former
Speaker 1: corrections officer interacting with someone in a vehicle and bringing
Speaker 1: multiple items to Chapman's sell So, first of all, I
Speaker 1: didn't know inmates could get cell phones to text. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a different it's a different prison system that I
Speaker 1: grew up with, right, Okay, I'm like, okay, so it
Speaker 1: was my childhood bedroom actually a prison because I did
Speaker 1: get text messages in there, um you know, but the
Speaker 1: correctional officers there weren't as nice as these. Okay. So
Speaker 1: the corrections officers claim she brought the fentinal pills to
Speaker 1: Chapman during a police interview. Meanwhile, there were two non
Speaker 1: fatal overdoses of inmates in November of last year. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: So after she serves four years as a correctional officer.
Speaker 1: It's like, how could someone who's so familiar with incarceration
Speaker 1: put themselves in a situation where they're arrested and then
Speaker 1: placed in jail. Like don't you think that they wouldn't
Speaker 1: would want to avoid being the one in jail? It
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. I agreed. And and you'd
Speaker 1: also think they would know certain things like you have
Speaker 1: to not be thinking this through you're texting with the
Speaker 1: inmate and scheduling all this through text message. Not the brightest,
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean, you're leaving a trail, there are receipts.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's like you might as well just
Speaker 1: posted on Instagram let everyone know your plans. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't know. Obviously, we've done two stories today where
Speaker 1: um correctional officers have developed some sort of bond with inmates,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it happens quite a bit more. I
Speaker 1: don't know the process for correctional officers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but if they're like a mental health thing every couple
Speaker 1: of years, or you know, kind of like you would
Speaker 1: do with a parole board, even though I know they're
Speaker 1: not the ones being held, and I'm sure it's a
Speaker 1: very difficult job to staff. But I think you almost
Speaker 1: have to either move them around or check in on
Speaker 1: them and and and make sure that they're not developing
Speaker 1: relationships with these inmates. Like maybe I'm I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think it's romantic? Do you? I mean? I feel
Speaker 1: like these all have to be kind of romantic. I
Speaker 1: don't think this was purely a business transaction. I think
Speaker 1: that you know, when you're in close proximity to certain
Speaker 1: people all the time, you inevitably fall for one or
Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, and you and it's that Florence
Speaker 1: stutting Gale thing too. You probably feel badly for these people.
Speaker 1: Think you hear their side of the store. You think
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't do it, maybe there was a reason
Speaker 1: that they did it, or you know, maybe they've changed
Speaker 1: their ways, or maybe you don't care. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there is a romantic element to it. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure I don't know that I necessarily find it romantic.
Speaker 1: Like if you were to write a rom com and
Speaker 1: it was a correctional officer who found in love with
Speaker 1: an inmate in this time, I don't know that that
Speaker 1: would hook me the way these others do. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's Listen, there's someone out there for everyone. It's
Speaker 1: just yeah, and I found mine. By next week, I'll
Speaker 1: have a different guy in the background. Here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Is he still there? Because okay, that's good, because what
Speaker 1: are you gonna say, Well, you keep talking about how
Speaker 1: you're going to move to London and you found your
Speaker 1: every day. I just want to make sure I don't
Speaker 1: see him tiptoeing out with the suitcase after he hears
Speaker 1: these things. I'm actually in prison and he's my is
Speaker 1: in guard. No. I just I just think that you
Speaker 1: know whether or not you want to consider this a workplace.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a don't ship where you eat situation,
Speaker 1: and maybe that is exactly what I'm doing here in Avisa.
Speaker 1: But you know what, some birds just don't want to
Speaker 1: fly free. Yeah I don't. In fairness, I don't see
Speaker 1: your situation as the same as this one. You're not
Speaker 1: being held because you've done something wrong, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a part of you that
Speaker 1: thinks that they wanted to get caught. I guess that
Speaker 1: always crosses my mind when people do something stupid. But
Speaker 1: then I realized that, no offense, there are just some
Speaker 1: stupid people out there. I mean, they just get caught
Speaker 1: secretive about it. Yeah, it's like they were overdoses, so
Speaker 1: obviously there were drugs coming in. Then they have text messages.
Speaker 1: It's like, grow up, understand that if you're texting someone
Speaker 1: anything at any point, it will be made apparent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't see the benefit to um to wanting to get
Speaker 1: caught on that one unless it's like a guilt thing
Speaker 1: and you're like, I've done this and now I need
Speaker 1: to get out of it. But it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: that's what it was. It's not like they're gonna be
Speaker 1: locked up together. It's not They're like they're like they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, well, you guys obviously broke
Speaker 1: the law here, we're gonna let them free and you
Speaker 1: guys go live. There was no benefit to this unless
Speaker 1: it was just getting rid of guilt. But I feel like, again,
Speaker 1: there's a different way to do that. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: think that you're right though, I think that they need
Speaker 1: to start rotating. Well, maybe it really messes up their
Speaker 1: lives because maybe they're they live in somewhere and they
Speaker 1: don't want to keep moving around to different facilities, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Correctional officers. So it's like I
Speaker 1: could see why they wouldn't want to continually uproot their
Speaker 1: lives every three to six months or six months to
Speaker 1: a year, or whatever it is. But maybe they need
Speaker 1: to take a closer peak and evaluate making sure no
Speaker 1: one's getting too connected to each other. Yeah, just put them.
Speaker 1: They don't have to like move to a different state.
Speaker 1: These states that we're talking about, I think have multiple
Speaker 1: correctional facilities. Just rotate them around. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: working at different Starbucks. By the way, Um, I just
Speaker 1: wrote down a little note a few minutes ago. You said,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're right, Dmitri. So I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna use that as one of the social media clips.
Speaker 1: Doesn't out of context? Is fine. I just want that,
Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're gonna end today, Guys.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna end today, where Dmitri
Speaker 1: feels empowered. Oh my god, I forget I got a compliment.
Speaker 1: All right, you run off, go have fun with Andrew.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up early. First of all, it's Adam. Second
Speaker 1: of all, it might be Andrew next week. Third of all,
Speaker 1: I like that me saying that you're right, is considered
Speaker 1: a compliment that I mean, I gotta better, I gotta
Speaker 1: do better. Dmitri, Well, you start off every episode with
Speaker 1: this is sometimes now more than likely more often and
Speaker 1: like he could possibly make it. So he's saying I'm right,
Speaker 1: it's and then telling me that you didn't have to
Speaker 1: ask permission for a commercial break. Trust me, all this
Speaker 1: stuff gathers up. So when you say you're right, it
Speaker 1: is a compliment and you go have fun with I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna keep it anymore. You have fun with Adam, right,
Speaker 1: Adam hilarious. And you know if I think that, I
Speaker 1: think the listeners deserve to see him. So so, Tara,
Speaker 1: our producer, if you want to just add a quick
Speaker 1: clip of earlier when Dmitri, when you guys got to
Speaker 1: meet him. You know, so be it. So just add
Speaker 1: the clip when she goes, hold on, I just want
Speaker 1: you to see something. And he walked in and I
Speaker 1: just started laughing. I felt bad for him, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure Helen, Oh boy, I am a nightmare. All right,
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