WEBVTT - The Not So Great Escape

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<v Speaker 1>Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have with me oftentimes Dmitri. Hello, often times Dmitri. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Always? Leah? Always? Leah is pretty good. She's

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<v Speaker 1>excited about the hot topics today, not gonna lie. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she's still in Abiza and you may have just met

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<v Speaker 1>my hot topic. Yeah, a couple of things. Haven't you

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<v Speaker 1>been there for like three months? Have you moved there

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<v Speaker 1>and not told us? It does feel like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I am leaving tomorrow for Croatia, Okay, taking a long

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<v Speaker 1>round home, got it? Yeah? Yeah, I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>get go and check all my offshore accounts. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>um met you know, uh, some interesting people here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not sure this is my place

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<v Speaker 1>to say it, but I did notice that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a strapping man in the background a few minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And what nationality would you say he was? I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that was an Australian accent that I heard. Hilarious British,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's fine, was it really? Yeah or whatever? He's

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<v Speaker 1>super proper. He's Jewish, He's super proper. Let's delve into

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<v Speaker 1>that for a minute. I will say this, I did

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<v Speaker 1>first think maybe we were cousins. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we need to check before we can move forward

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Okay, So that was okay. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that that wasn't like, oh, let me

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<v Speaker 1>meet him. I think we might be cousins. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was both. I was honestly checking to see if maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that was your first reaction versus Lee is definitely making

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<v Speaker 1>out with this man, you know, I mean, nice, nice

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<v Speaker 1>British Jewish man. How many of those are going to find?

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<v Speaker 1>He seems very nice, seemed very helpful, super helpful. So

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<v Speaker 1>you are making out with him? Yeah, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well. I mean I don't want to two assumptions,

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<v Speaker 1>but oh yeah, I'm making out with my cousin. So perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of cousins, ha ha no, no, speaking of family feuds.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got some interesting hot topics today. We've got Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Clarkson's ex husband accusing her of spying on him l

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<v Speaker 1>O L. We've got, obviously, our Dave Chappelle dramas continuing

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<v Speaker 1>on figuring out a little bit more about his attacker.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have this insane case that I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have all been following about Casey and Vicky White,

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<v Speaker 1>although not related L O L. And then we will

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<v Speaker 1>finally be rounding out with Devon Duniver today. All right, Dmitri,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just dive right into Kelly Clarkson because this is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad ship. Yeah, it's uh. You wonder how these

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<v Speaker 1>kids couldn't make it with stories like this. I always

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how kids of stars do it, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like their whole lives are under a scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 1>which is essentially what Kelly his ex husband is accusing

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<v Speaker 1>her of doing. So. Despite on an hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar a month spousal support settlement, it seems that

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Clarkson and Brandon black Stock divorce drama is far

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<v Speaker 1>from over. Two months after their divorce was finalized, Brandon's

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<v Speaker 1>legal team has filed new court documents demanding Kelly has

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<v Speaker 1>all of her thirteen CCTV cameras switched off at the

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<v Speaker 1>property for the remainder of brandon stay at the Montana ranch. Reportedly,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon feels spied on because he suspects Kelly may have

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<v Speaker 1>access to the CCTV footage on the property and wants

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<v Speaker 1>them all turned off his legal tam is also demanding

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<v Speaker 1>proof once the cameras are disabled, and as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the divorce settlement, black Stock was allowed to continue living

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<v Speaker 1>at the Montana Ranch through the month of June. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>he could not afford to go to place of his

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<v Speaker 1>own the former couple allegedly so, it said in the

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<v Speaker 1>article the former couple shares seven year old River and

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<v Speaker 1>six year old Remington. Not only is Kelly have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay him a hundred and fifteen k a month through January,

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<v Speaker 1>she was also hit with a one time payment to

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<v Speaker 1>her ex in the amount of one point three mill. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>her child supports Brandon. Isn't astounding forty thousand. You know

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<v Speaker 1>there's some money floating around there. So right away I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna throw out the I couldn't afford another place. Hundred

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand a month, isn't. And I know some of

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<v Speaker 1>us for the kids, isn't He also like the stepson

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<v Speaker 1>of Barbara streisand or something he is I thought, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't want to misspeak here, but I thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was the stepson or something of somebody. Yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you do some googling before you make such a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy claim like that. Well, no, for what, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing here. Okay, so that's yeah, we make crazy

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<v Speaker 1>claims so allegedly steps on of Barbera Streis. And also

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<v Speaker 1>how much money do your kids need per month? Not much? Everyone? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then plus the one point three on top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, was he just like a trophy dad? Husband?

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<v Speaker 1>There are a few of us out there, hilarious, just

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<v Speaker 1>because you look like a trophy you mean just stone face? Oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>stone face? That is what I meant, Dmitri, don't leave me. Um. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing though, I am fine with him not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting the cameras on, right, because that could be a

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<v Speaker 1>little weird. Um. I don't know what he's doing or

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<v Speaker 1>if he just feels like she's trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they've already settled stuff, right, so it's not like she

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<v Speaker 1>would be trying to gather stuff. She it's a huge ranch,

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<v Speaker 1>and their cameras. I don't think that they're in his

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom or bathroom. Like what privacy does he need that's

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<v Speaker 1>on her property that he feels like it's being intruded,

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<v Speaker 1>like who's coming in and out? That he feels like

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<v Speaker 1>he needs this extra privacy, Like if there's coming in

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<v Speaker 1>and out that she needs the cameras on. Maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>are thieves, the reasonable, the whole reason they have cameras

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, you know, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. So if he's gonna say she has

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<v Speaker 1>to turn these off, then he then has to sign

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<v Speaker 1>something and say if anything goes wrong, if someone breaks

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<v Speaker 1>onto the property, if someone trashes the property, that's on me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna have to take care of that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I acent agree with that. I feel like if

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<v Speaker 1>anything is quote unquote stolen from the property after the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras go off, it's going to be an inside job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, okay, okay, sorry. Reba McIntire was married to

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Blackstock's father, literally so far from Barber Streisand no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not so far, because they're both um singers and they're

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<v Speaker 1>both famous. So in order to be so far, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to be like, oh no, this one's a circus

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<v Speaker 1>clown and this one works in construction. That's the farthest

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<v Speaker 1>you can get. I guess they are both white women.

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<v Speaker 1>You got me there, Tomitri, you got me there. So

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<v Speaker 1>after what many people would probably consider a massive financial

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<v Speaker 1>win for Brandon and this divorce settlement. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this weird legal move just adds to the bad blood?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think it's going to affect the kids?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's My impression is that this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a petty move, like, well, I have you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>she's looking at the cameras for what you've already settled,

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<v Speaker 1>If he's worried about the cameras and saying turn them

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<v Speaker 1>off and she's not, like it's to me, it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like pettiness right now. Yeah. Also, he's already gotten

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<v Speaker 1>so much money out of her. Just just let her

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<v Speaker 1>watch you do weird stuff, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like she she paid a fair price to watch

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Let her leave the thirteen cameras off. I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know if you I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>just saying that. I don't know if you agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with it, but I do think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it is very funny. But I just wanted the funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Speaking of funny,

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<v Speaker 1>let's head back into our fave Dave Chappelle incident at

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<v Speaker 1>the Hollywood Bowl. So you guys know that his attacker

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<v Speaker 1>came on stage and that he was mangled. This man

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<v Speaker 1>left broken in peace. Is a lot of people tackled him,

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<v Speaker 1>beat the ship out of him. Right, So Dave's attacker

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently Dave met with his attacker by the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>he claims he did it for the fact that his

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<v Speaker 1>grandma had been forced out of her Brooklyn neighborhood because

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<v Speaker 1>of gentrification. And I don't know if you guys all

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<v Speaker 1>know this, but recently, apparently Dave was caught quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>being against an affordable housing plan in Ohio, where he lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that maybe that there was some backlash

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<v Speaker 1>from that, although when you read more into that story,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more about the fact that it is a small town,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's more about keeping the town a small town

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<v Speaker 1>rather than adding so many more homes and having it

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<v Speaker 1>be a complete changed atmosphere from where he grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in what the town used to be. And he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was gonna pull all of this funding from making

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<v Speaker 1>a comedy club and all these I mean, look, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's entitled to their own opinion, right, Okay, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he's saying that he lunged onto the stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess made this whole ploy to hurt Dave. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know if he had an end goal. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what was yeah, what was the end goal?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he going to then stand up and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hurt him. I know I have

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<v Speaker 1>this fake gun in this real knife. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to raise awareness from my grandmother's Like, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>an excuse. And apparently he's at l A County jail

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<v Speaker 1>with Bale said at thirty, which is low enough that

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<v Speaker 1>he could probably get out if someone wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>him out of air like Brandon Blackstock exactly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's making more than that per month anyway. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>and also this guy's twenty three. I don't know. This

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<v Speaker 1>seems like one of those things where you just find

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<v Speaker 1>out later that someone was on drugs or was mentally

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<v Speaker 1>ill or I don't know. It just seems like such

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<v Speaker 1>a completely out of place motivation. It is, And and

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you want to raise awareness, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>other ways to do. Granted, Hinckley Jr. Shot President Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>because he was trying to get Jodie Foster to go

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<v Speaker 1>out with him, which I mean, digging all the issues

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<v Speaker 1>with that one but so there are there are cases

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<v Speaker 1>where people do something outrageous to draw attention for something

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly not sane. But I don't buy it. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this was an act. Maybe he was angry

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<v Speaker 1>about what Chappelle said, but I don't think he was

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<v Speaker 1>raising awareness. I don't think he was doing this for

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<v Speaker 1>his grandmother. No, I didn't see a sign that said

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<v Speaker 1>gentrification is ruining everything. You know. It wasn't yelling at

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<v Speaker 1>when they were beating the ship out of him. No, No.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't see him marching around outside of a

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<v Speaker 1>Starbucks near him. You know, that's really the big issue

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<v Speaker 1>here is not Dave Chappelle's Starbucks. Sorry, just hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>a British man. Just really never mind. Okay, so a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, a little, i'd say things are going well there.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh does he live there or is he? No, he

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<v Speaker 1>lives in London. Okay, So thanks for coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>what's important. Well, so I'm just trying to plan out,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's probably gonna be more podcasts from London to Okay, Tree,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you saw right through my plan. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>could never commit a crime because Dmitri had figured out instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. But as far as this guy that tackled

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Chappelle, like if he wanted to go strike up

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with the dude with a sign or whatever, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, the signs go some somewhere else. This to

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<v Speaker 1>me is is I went nuts, and now I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to to back it off, which drives me crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>all these people who do things and say no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just this, it's like, you know what you

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<v Speaker 1>did it, just own up to it. We have we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have enough resources and time to sift through everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>back channeling of how to get out of something that

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<v Speaker 1>they did. Yeah, it's like if I had to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of every time I brought up a guy I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was going to be the one on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, I think my grandma got divorced by him,

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<v Speaker 1>mean person, And so now I'm against all marriages, so

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<v Speaker 1>I got to talk about them. And the whole reason

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<v Speaker 1>I keep talking about conjugal visits is because somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>my lineage someone was in prison, and I find that

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<v Speaker 1>hot something here analogy is better. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>also interesting is that Howard Stern, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you heard about this Howard Stern is just popping off

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<v Speaker 1>on Hollywood hypocrisy. You know, he does what he does.

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<v Speaker 1>So during a recent episode of Howard Stern Show, he's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy jumped on stage and attacked Dave Chappelle as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as it happened. Did they let him go back

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<v Speaker 1>to his seat and laugh and sit next to his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and then give him an award? No, they took

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<v Speaker 1>him backstage. They broke his arms and hands so bad

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<v Speaker 1>they and I quote beat the ship out of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Howard says Will should not have been treated differently just

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<v Speaker 1>because of the celebrity status, adding that the academy didn't

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<v Speaker 1>react properly. But is it the academy or is that everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Because when Dave got attacked, all the other

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<v Speaker 1>comedians start running on stage and see any other actors

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<v Speaker 1>getting up there being like, oh should I get my

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<v Speaker 1>gown dirty? You know, right? And there was no standing ovation. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>his his reference well, you know, I think we've said

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<v Speaker 1>this before. I don't think it was handled properly. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's really just adding on to what we've all discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>and his analogy or here's his comparison doesn't totally work

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<v Speaker 1>because this guy wasn't up for an award at the

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix is a joke thing. He was just there. So no,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't send him back to his wife and he

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<v Speaker 1>get an award. But the point is made, and that

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<v Speaker 1>should Will Smith have had his arms broken and beat

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<v Speaker 1>up backstage? No, these guys reacted to a threat to

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Chappelle and people because Will Smith was a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't see it as much of a threat to

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Rock. Wasn't handled in correctly, Yeah, Kristen, Chris, Will

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a gun, Will didn't have a knife. Will

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't premeditated, and Will had had a reputation, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was an unknown with weapons, multiple and premeditated

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was going to do this right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty scary. That's a little different in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if his grandma is proud for the awareness

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<v Speaker 1>he rose and gentrification. Yeah, now they're never gonna build

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<v Speaker 1>up you know, they won't name it after him. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that did you get what you wanted? Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of getting what you wanted? Is this back to your guy? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's so cute. Speaking of getting what you wanted? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>these two people did not get what they wanted. It

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<v Speaker 1>was that a good segue, would you say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>We're on the right road. But then I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a speed bump. But there was a speed bump in

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<v Speaker 1>that I did the opposite of the thing that I wanted. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys have heard about the Casey White Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>White no relations story right and escaped Alabama inmate. Casey

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<v Speaker 1>White called prison guard his wife wif I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like saying like that when apprehended. Okay. Vicky White died

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night at the hospital and Casey is now in custody.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've been following this little chase. Florence, Alabama murder

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<v Speaker 1>suspect Casey White has been interviewed extensively since he was

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<v Speaker 1>apprehended in Indiana on Monday, ending an eleven day multistate

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<v Speaker 1>man hunt, and is cooperating with the investigation. So after

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<v Speaker 1>escaped in May, Casey White, thirty eight, and Lauderdale County

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<v Speaker 1>Assistant Director of Corrections Vicky White, fifty six, were spotted

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<v Speaker 1>at an Evansville, Indiana hotel on Monday. They led police

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<v Speaker 1>on a car chase in a Cadillac. The crash ended

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<v Speaker 1>in a wreck Cadillac. Yeah right, I mean it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>it just sounds like fear and loathing in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>So the crowd they were just they were literally just

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<v Speaker 1>heading to Vegas to get Vegas married. That's all that

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<v Speaker 1>was happening. So the crash ended in a wreck. Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>was hospitalized for injuries from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

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<v Speaker 1>Official set she died at a hospital Monday night in

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<v Speaker 1>a topsy is set for today Tuesday, but by the

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<v Speaker 1>time listening to this Wednesday, or whenever you get around

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it. The man hunt began on April nine,

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<v Speaker 1>when Casey and Vicky, who are not related L O

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<v Speaker 1>L fled the Lauderdale County jail. This honestly feels a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like me and Adam were like, are we related

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<v Speaker 1>or are we dating? Okay. Authorities said they believe Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>willingly participated in the escape, which took place on her

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<v Speaker 1>last day before retirement. I go further than to say

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<v Speaker 1>she willingly participated. I think she planned the whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think that she thought she would get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it because she was retiring. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be that bright to think Oh, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm retiring soever they think, oh, she didn't come back

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<v Speaker 1>to work. No, she's with the dude that she walked

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison. She said, I'm gonna bring him, she

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<v Speaker 1>told everybody because she was what the assistant director or

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<v Speaker 1>deputy whatever, she said, I'm bringing him to his mental

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<v Speaker 1>health check at the courthouse or whatever. There was no appointment,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no so to think that they weren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to like follow up and realize that there were some

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<v Speaker 1>plot holes there shows that she was not really thinking

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<v Speaker 1>this past the plan of getting him out of there, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, as you said, eleven day man hunt, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they were gone for eleven days that they escaped where

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<v Speaker 1>they find him like six hours away. So maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>planned how to get out, but you didn't really plan

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to do after that. Yeah, and can

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<v Speaker 1>we call it a person hunt? Okay? There are two

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<v Speaker 1>people involved in one is not a man Dmitri Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But I also would like to say, look at all

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<v Speaker 1>the just the holes and the gaps in the system.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that there was never even an appointment, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one checked up on it. Yeah, Well, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's because she was the assistant deputy, and so

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<v Speaker 1>she told her she was the superior to these people,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, I'm to do this, so why would

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<v Speaker 1>they double check? But it was apparently on a day

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone was like in court doing that, like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a sign place. It was perfectly I

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<v Speaker 1>think the escape was perfectly planned on her part. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just why would you only go six hours away

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<v Speaker 1>get as far ways? Haven't you seen any movies like

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<v Speaker 1>watch anything with Liam Neeson just just for fun because

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<v Speaker 1>he's fantastic, but also he's fantastic, but also you learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to escape from jail and then moved to a

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<v Speaker 1>different country like everyone else, you know, six hours away

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<v Speaker 1>in a motel six. I mean, they had no plan,

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<v Speaker 1>that's clear. I think they just thought they would wing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wonder if she genuinely thought that people

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<v Speaker 1>would think that she somehow got captured and was brought

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<v Speaker 1>along for the ride, but then she committed suicide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and like they said, there was no way that

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<v Speaker 1>he planned this, Like and by the way, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>singing along with it. They apparently they interviewed him after

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<v Speaker 1>they caught him, and he's they said, he's very helpful,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's and he wants to go back to Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, he signed his waive, the extradition thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'll go back. She killed herself and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh go. But he was like it was good. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a good run. We tried. But is there any

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<v Speaker 1>world that exists where if we're thinking in a weird

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy land, right, It's like, let's just put this in

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<v Speaker 1>movie terms. What if he pretended to be in love

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<v Speaker 1>with her to get out and it just didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>as planned. There were some sort of romantic turmoil, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>she realized her big mistakes, and then maybe she tried

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure he couldn't leave and then it just

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<v Speaker 1>ended in this situation. Is that possible. It's possible, And

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<v Speaker 1>I like where you're going with that. But my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>is that he takes UM medicine for psychotic episodes and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and what he's up I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>different UM and what he's in prison for. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. What he's in prison for is pretty violent

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and pretty like through fits of rage and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So it would it be interesting if that was the case, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that's the case. But don't you

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<v Speaker 1>think he could be super manipulative? Sure, because my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>is that there was also when he was in a

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<v Speaker 1>different prison, he became very friendly with with the guar

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, so that could be his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There might have there might be more of the story

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<v Speaker 1>that we will never know. Yeah, this guy's mother you

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<v Speaker 1>this guys six pounds like gigantic, Like Okay, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>where I was going with them. No, definitely not where

0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you were going. Yeah. Um, I'm interested to see how

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<v Speaker 1>the story unfold, although I feel like we will probably

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<v Speaker 1>not get the truth on this, probably not, although they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't released what he's been saying. But it will be interesting. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately she is deceased and we won't be hearing from her.

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<v Speaker 1>But I liken this too. You know this is like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you know this. I'm gonna try and put

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<v Speaker 1>this in an analogy that that you would understand. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you've been hit on by a guy that's like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>if I could only be with you and this and that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once you guys got together, it's like, well

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<v Speaker 1>that sucked. That's what this is. She's like, man, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to escape for prison. I got this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be awesome. They got out of prison. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, should we just drive to a motel six?

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<v Speaker 1>Like nothing, there's no there's no payoff. She really for

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<v Speaker 1>everything that she put on the line. This was botched.

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<v Speaker 1>This was very botched. This was very botched. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a bad celebrity plastic surgery. Yes, speaking of, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's time for us to delve into our main

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<v Speaker 1>case for today. This is this is really heartbreaking. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually do hate this story. By the way, shall we

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and come back to it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to cry before we just really dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>dark stuff. Yeah we went from having some fun with stuff,

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>but this one's a little darker. So yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back down. Touch that dial. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Cheryl Burke. You know me from Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what, I have a new podcast called Burke

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Game. It may look like that my life

0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>is full of costumes and whatever, but at the end

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of the day, you probably don't know the Cheryl behind

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the Mirrorball trophy. I've been really curious about how and

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<v Speaker 1>why a lot of my relationships or every single one

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.920
<v Speaker 1>really has not worked out, and I can only point

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the finger at myself. One of the things that I

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 1>want to work on is not being so controlling, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so tired of thinking that I can control everything

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<v Speaker 1>around me when there isn't enough hours in the day

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.000
<v Speaker 1>even if there were. In order for me to really

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<v Speaker 1>practice what I'm preaching, I have to turn my life

0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 1>over to someone else, and what better way than to

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>turn it over to you, guys. I have to be

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.720
<v Speaker 1>able to take accountability, and that's what I'm doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to Burke in the Game starting May tenth on

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.919
<v Speaker 1>the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

0:22:46.960 --> 0:23:02.120
<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts. I don't know why I keep saying

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 1>dial Dmitri, but here we are social sleuths. We are back.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has a dial, no one, no one's dialing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I might go as far as to say that you're

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<v Speaker 1>too young to we even say that, because he just

0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>feels like the thing you're supposed to say. Yeah, but

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you were born in the dial period, right, No, you

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.399
<v Speaker 1>were born into the remote control era. Yeah, she's a

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>remote control baby because she lacks control in every other area.

0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:29.959
<v Speaker 1>Of her life. So anyway, let me just mute myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Dmitri, Thank you. Dmitri wanted to laugh hysterically

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<v Speaker 1>and then cry, and then he was very sad about

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<v Speaker 1>just everything I've said. In general. Dmitri is still in

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a high from going to Tom Cruise's red carpet. That

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<v Speaker 1>was fun. Did you make any good contacts, you get

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>any good photos? You didn't send us any well, because

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>you were telling me that you were going to start

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>photo shopping yourself in them, and what is wrong with that? Okay? Anyway,

0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll just laugh. A Getty Image logo on it, like

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<v Speaker 1>I was definitely there, even though I was halfway across

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Time to get into the case. It just

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<v Speaker 1>aired last Friday, So you are watched in you know

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about? What is this case in? A

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<v Speaker 1>five year old girl named Devon vanished from her apartment

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:21.479
<v Speaker 1>and Anthony Harris, then twelve years old, was charged and

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of her murder. It was very sad. On June,

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<v Speaker 1>Devin disappeared after she went outside to play. After Doniver

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared from her new Philadelphia, Ohio apartment, her body was

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>found in a nearby wooded area. A day later. Harris

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and his family lived in the same apartment complex as

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 1>their family and helped in the search. Authorities say the

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>little girl was stepped seven times in the neck. Two

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 1>weeks after the body was found, Anthony was brought to

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 1>the police station for questioning. At first, he denied he

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>was involved, but he said the pressure from police got

0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>the best of him. During a hostile interrogation in investigators

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>pressured Harris to admit to her murder, which eventually placed

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>him behind bars, despite lacking evidence to verify him at

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 1>the scene of the murder. This is very reminiscent of

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Amanda Knox and the Italian officials trying to force a confession.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>According to Harris's interview with says the investigator, he had

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>basically told me that if you confessed to this murder,

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you can go home. It's like, okay, well, I'm over

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>here scared, so I want to go home. He was

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 1>found guilty, but one an appeal, and his conviction was

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>overturned in June of two thousand, after the Ohio Fifth

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Court of Appeals determined his confession was coerced. Harris, a

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>former marine, is frustrated the actual killer of Doniver has

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>not been brought to justice. So this is a really

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting story because he still wants to find who the

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 1>real killer is as well. More than twenty years after

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Anthony's conviction was overturned, Devon's murder still just remains a

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>cold case. Harris ledges that there were some leads in

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>this case that were never pursued. Some people who were

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>part of the search parties say they looked around the

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>area where the little girl was found and didn't see her,

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>so they believe her body was placed there after the fact.

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Other witnesses claimed during the trial that they saw a

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>man in the area who was wearing a long sleeve

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>plaid flannel shirt, which they said was odd given that

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>it felt like a ninety degree summer day. Harris said

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't giving up his drive to help find the

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 1>person responsible for her death. I think that this is

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>a really hard story obviously, and I mean it's really

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting about miners being interrogated and pressured to confess to crimes,

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and or the fact that you know, his mom was

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>able to watch the interrogation through the mirror but couldn't

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>hear anything that he was saying. Do you think parents

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 1>should be able to hear what their kids are saying

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>when they're being questioned by the police. I would think

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 1>or their lawyer or somebody like you can't have a

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>twelve year old in there. And then, like as you said,

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 1>if if the twelve year old scared and listen, I

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>obviously don't know if he did this or not. I

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>tend to believe he didn't. Um. But if they have

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old there and they're scared and there's

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>no one else and these guys are just laying them,

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>just tell us you did tell us you did it.

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Tell oh you did this. We know how that goes

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>in there, right, Hey, you can go home if you

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>did this. The kids can say I did it because

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I want to go home, right. Also, you know kids

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes not that they lie, but I think you know,

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>kids have imaginations, and I think that you're the parent

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>would want to hear things because if the kid is

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>not sure about a timeline or saying things that aren't

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to if someone's trying to place them

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 1>at the scene of the crime, but you know they

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>were actually at the grocery store with their mom at

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that time, but they're saying that they were out playing.

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>You know that could potentially completely throw an entire case.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think that obviously parents should be

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>able to hear their kids if they're under eighteen. Yeah,

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>especially these guys are good and interrogators are good at

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>what they do. Right, So you're you're matching wits with

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old who may nothing. Nothing makes me,

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not sure. A lot of things make me angry,

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>But I really don't like the the thing. And we've

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>seen it in a lot of true crime stuff where

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the police just get something in their head and they're like,

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 1>they just drive that home, and meanwhile there's other options

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that are missed or other evidence and and things to

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.639
<v Speaker 1>look into that just aren't don't get the attention. And

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the other thing too, is that this boy who

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>probably didn't commit this murder, right, It's like, did he

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>have anger issues? Did you like to have to stab

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>someone seven times in the neck? Five year old? By

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the way, and not to not to like this is

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>sad enough, but think about the size of a five

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>year old neck, Like what the that's that's some up stuff.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Getting the nice figure like this is a very calculated

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I just can't imagine how this would happen.

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>And if they're saying that the body was placed there after,

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>then he certainly didn't do it unless he got help

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>from adults, because you couldn't have carried her body, and

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>then where would you've hit it. I mean, it's just

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>too complicated. Honestly, I'm not saying that kids aren't smart.

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that this is really out of the

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>wheelhouse of a twelve year old. I believe, I think

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>so too, and you know, and it was overturned. And

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>but the thing is when you do that, when you

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:28.959
<v Speaker 1>when you're like, oh, we know what it is, and

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you just put all your your resources into pinning it

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>on that person, you're missing all this other stuff, the

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy in the flannel shirt and ninety degree weather.

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That seems like something people in Ohio

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>would do. Don't be mad at me, Ohio or whatever.

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Call us on the hotline if you're mad. But I mean,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that's like, maybe that's something, maybe it's not, but there

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>are there certainly has to be other things that could

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>have been, you know, looked at. And I don't know

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>how they did their job, but it sounds like they

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, took this twelve year old kid and

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>was and was like this is it and and just

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>focus their resources on that and how flims he couldn't

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>have been a year later it's overturned. Yeah, I mean

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes they just fixate on wanting to get an answer

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.959
<v Speaker 1>and moving on and they don't even care if it's

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>right or wrong. It's like you don't care that you're

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>messing with someone's entire life, you know. So his life

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>was changed forever, right, I mean he basically that follows

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you around. You know, there's and there's no justice to

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the story. So it's she's still dead. He his name

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>is forever tarnished, even though he never actually murdered anyone,

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and especially since they never found right. So it's not

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>like they're saying, oh, he's innocent. They're saying the case

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>was overturned because of of not enough evidence or whatever.

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>So he doesn't even have you're right, he doesn't even

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>have his name cleared from that like, oh he didn't

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>do it. It's like, oh, he wasn't found, he wasn't

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>required to stay in prison for it, right, So you

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>know that there are some people who probably think he

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>still did it. It's so said, do you think that

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>there should be some sort of restitution paid to him

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and his family for what they had to go through? Uh? Yeah,

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I do. I think obviously. I think it has to

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>be proven. You know, they have to find the killer

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>or prove that it wasn't him in order to pay

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>that out. But if that's the case, then I think yeah,

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>for sure. And his life is his life is completely changed. No, nothing,

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously, the most heart felt thing here goes

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to the family, the five year old in the family

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of devon Um. But then his family and if he

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't do this, that's their lives were shattered and altered

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>forever as well. So if if he had nothing to

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>do with this, yeah, there should be some sort of compensation.

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I think so too. And do you think that there's

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.479
<v Speaker 1>any chance of this case being solved more than twenty

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>years later? I mean, in my opinion, thank you Leah

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>asking your answering your own question. In my opinion, it

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>will just seems like there were a lot of leads

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>they never followed up on. So unless there's any sort

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of DNA evidence, it's going to be impossible. Yeah. Um,

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 1>And I've said in my mind a lot of times

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I've said, oh, we're never gonna have the answer to

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>this one, but then for some reason, something comes up.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And nowadays, obviously they're doing so much more with DNA,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's that now they like they'll even dig up

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>graves and find DNA that matches. Are you scratching your

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>nose with your microphone? I did scratch my nose with

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>my microphone, and no one needed to know that. But

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate you calling attention to it. We can

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>cut that out. I thought you were just it looked

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>like you were nuzzling up to it or something. I

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>just thought it was Adam, my British Jewish man. But no, no,

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I but I do. I think they can do a

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>lot with DNA. But is their DNA evidence? You know,

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>they've been able to solve cases thirty years after the

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>fact because there is DNA evidence and now they have

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>better technology. I just this feels this has the essence

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>of a forever cult case. It's it's very possible, but um,

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you never know, because obviously they must have collected and

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>hopefully held onto evidence from that day whatever she was

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>wearing where they found her stuff like that, And I

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>have seen cases where they go back and they they

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>then matched two evidence that is that old DNA stuff

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>now that they have the technology, so it is possible,

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>but you kind of figured they would have done that already. Um,

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'd like to think, but obviously there's

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>some cases that have not been solved that are similar

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to that. So it's it's possible. We'll never know. It's

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>possible we'll never know. All right, you know this is

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a really heavy case, Dmitri, So I think i'd like

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to go to break before we cover our last hot

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>topic for today. And as you pointed out, these breaks

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>are not times for the listeners to go and commit crimes. No,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know why I was asking you permission

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to take a break a break. I don't think anybody

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>took it that way because you would never social suits.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>BRB babes and welcome back to Real time Crime, you guys.

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Today's last hot topic. Jesus, this is I mean, what

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 1>is going on with our prison system? Okay? In St. Louis,

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a corrections officer has been arrested for bringing drugs to inmates.

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's like I kind of just assume

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>this happens all the time. If I'm honest, all right,

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>moving on, I don't know, I never really gave a thought,

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>but clearly there's there's a bond that gets created between

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>certain correction officers and inmates and stuff like that. Um

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>so it's the only human interaction, you know. I feel

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>like you become attracted to whoever you're around, whether for

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 1>better or for worse, you know. And that's why I'm

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>starting to feel like I shouldn't just have feelings for

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the first European man I meet. That's like buying the

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>first house you see. It's like, yeah, but when you

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>but when you've been living on the street and you

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you know you have good money to buy a house,

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you buy it when in Rome, Yeah, you just buy

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the house in Rome. So, guys, I'm moving to London

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>anyway to mean she's dying, okay. So so this officer

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>was arrested while on duty after she was accused of

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>delivering drugs to inmates. Guys. This officer had worked at

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the correctional facility for four years before her arrest. After

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a very long investigation, authorities claim that she brought in contraband,

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>which included drugs and possibly fentanyl. The inmate she delivered

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>the drugs too. Is Anthony Chapman, who also faces similar charges,

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>but he's already in jail, so I mean, I guess

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>he just stays a little longer. According to authorities, text

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 1>messages dating back to October two thousand twenty one showed Coffer,

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the corrections officer, and Chapman discussing their plans on how

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to transport the drugs, along with footage showing the former

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>corrections officer interacting with someone in a vehicle and bringing

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>multiple items to Chapman's sell So, first of all, I

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't know inmates could get cell phones to text. Yeah,

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a different it's a different prison system that I

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 1>grew up with, right, Okay, I'm like, okay, so it

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>was my childhood bedroom actually a prison because I did

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>get text messages in there, um you know, but the

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>correctional officers there weren't as nice as these. Okay. So

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>the corrections officers claim she brought the fentinal pills to

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Chapman during a police interview. Meanwhile, there were two non

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>fatal overdoses of inmates in November of last year. Oh okay,

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>So after she serves four years as a correctional officer.

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, how could someone who's so familiar with incarceration

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>put themselves in a situation where they're arrested and then

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>placed in jail. Like don't you think that they wouldn't

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>would want to avoid being the one in jail? It

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense to me. I agreed. And and you'd

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>also think they would know certain things like you have

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>to not be thinking this through you're texting with the

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>inmate and scheduling all this through text message. Not the brightest,

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Um No, I mean, you're leaving a trail, there are receipts.

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, it's like you might as well just

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>posted on Instagram let everyone know your plans. Yeah, And

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Obviously, we've done two stories today where

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>um correctional officers have developed some sort of bond with inmates,

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it happens quite a bit more. I

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know the process for correctional officers and stuff like that,

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>but if they're like a mental health thing every couple

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of years, or you know, kind of like you would

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:32.919
<v Speaker 1>do with a parole board, even though I know they're

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>not the ones being held, and I'm sure it's a

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>very difficult job to staff. But I think you almost

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>have to either move them around or check in on

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>them and and and make sure that they're not developing

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>relationships with these inmates. Like maybe I'm I mean, do

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you think it's romantic? Do you? I mean? I feel

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>like these all have to be kind of romantic. I

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>don't think this was purely a business transaction. I think

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that you know, when you're in close proximity to certain

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>people all the time, you inevitably fall for one or

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>two of them. Yeah, and you and it's that Florence

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>stutting Gale thing too. You probably feel badly for these people.

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Think you hear their side of the store. You think

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe they didn't do it, maybe there was a reason

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that they did it, or you know, maybe they've changed

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>their ways, or maybe you don't care. So yeah, I'm

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>sure there is a romantic element to it. And I'm

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.240
<v Speaker 1>sure I don't know that I necessarily find it romantic.

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Like if you were to write a rom com and

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>it was a correctional officer who found in love with

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>an inmate in this time, I don't know that that

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>would hook me the way these others do. But I'm

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.399
<v Speaker 1>sure there's Listen, there's someone out there for everyone. It's

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, and I found mine. By next week, I'll

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>have a different guy in the background. Here's the deal.

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Is he still there? Because okay, that's good, because what

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna say, Well, you keep talking about how

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to move to London and you found your

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>every day. I just want to make sure I don't

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>see him tiptoeing out with the suitcase after he hears

0:38:54.680 --> 0:39:00.120
<v Speaker 1>these things. I'm actually in prison and he's my is

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in guard. No. I just I just think that you

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>know whether or not you want to consider this a workplace.

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>This is kind of a don't ship where you eat situation,

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe that is exactly what I'm doing here in Avisa.

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, some birds just don't want to

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>fly free. Yeah I don't. In fairness, I don't see

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>your situation as the same as this one. You're not

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>being held because you've done something wrong, Yeah, I don't.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like there's a part of you that

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>thinks that they wanted to get caught. I guess that

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>always crosses my mind when people do something stupid. But

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.399
<v Speaker 1>then I realized that, no offense, there are just some

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.479
<v Speaker 1>stupid people out there. I mean, they just get caught

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 1>secretive about it. Yeah, it's like they were overdoses, so

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously there were drugs coming in. Then they have text messages.

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like, grow up, understand that if you're texting someone

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>anything at any point, it will be made apparent. Yeah,

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.839
<v Speaker 1>don't see the benefit to um to wanting to get

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.879
<v Speaker 1>caught on that one unless it's like a guilt thing

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, I've done this and now I need

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>to get out of it. But it didn't seem like

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what it was. It's not like they're gonna be

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>locked up together. It's not They're like they're like they're

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna be like, all right, well, you guys obviously broke

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the law here, we're gonna let them free and you

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>guys go live. There was no benefit to this unless

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>it was just getting rid of guilt. But I feel like, again,

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>there's a different way to do that. Yeah, I I

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 1>think that you're right though, I think that they need

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to start rotating. Well, maybe it really messes up their

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>lives because maybe they're they live in somewhere and they

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want to keep moving around to different facilities, you

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Correctional officers. So it's like I

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>could see why they wouldn't want to continually uproot their

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>lives every three to six months or six months to

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a year, or whatever it is. But maybe they need

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to take a closer peak and evaluate making sure no

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>one's getting too connected to each other. Yeah, just put them.

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 1>They don't have to like move to a different state.

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>These states that we're talking about, I think have multiple

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>correctional facilities. Just rotate them around. It's kind of like

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 1>working at different Starbucks. By the way, Um, I just

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>wrote down a little note a few minutes ago. You said,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>by the way, you're right, Dmitri. So I think we're

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna use that as one of the social media clips.

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't out of context? Is fine. I just want that,

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's where we're gonna end today, Guys.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what we're gonna end today, where Dmitri

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 1>feels empowered. Oh my god, I forget I got a compliment.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, you run off, go have fun with Andrew.

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>We'll wrap up early. First of all, it's Adam. Second

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>of all, it might be Andrew next week. Third of all,

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I like that me saying that you're right, is considered

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a compliment that I mean, I gotta better, I gotta

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>do better. Dmitri, Well, you start off every episode with

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>this is sometimes now more than likely more often and

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>like he could possibly make it. So he's saying I'm right,

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it's and then telling me that you didn't have to

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>ask permission for a commercial break. Trust me, all this

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff gathers up. So when you say you're right, it

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>is a compliment and you go have fun with I'm

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>not gonna keep it anymore. You have fun with Adam, right,

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Adam hilarious. And you know if I think that, I

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>think the listeners deserve to see him. So so, Tara,

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>our producer, if you want to just add a quick

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>clip of earlier when Dmitri, when you guys got to

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 1>meet him. You know, so be it. So just add

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the clip when she goes, hold on, I just want

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you to see something. And he walked in and I

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>just started laughing. I felt bad for him, but I'm

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>sure Helen, Oh boy, I am a nightmare. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, this has been another episode of Real Time Crime.

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm Leo Lamar. You can find me at Leo Lamar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, with two urs on Twitter and Instagram and

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0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>messed up my TikTok account a while ago. And that's

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>just where we're at. And of course you can listen

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<v Speaker 1>you want to slide into my d m s, tell

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>me which episodes you're enjoying, what you're liking. Maybe if

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you want to give me some feedback, like, hey, Leah,

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>stop laughing at your own jokes. I'm not going to,

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 1>but just if you wanted to, I would understand. And Dmitri,

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>we can find you on the internet as at the

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>main stream pant pas like your actual names. Um, but

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I think we should do an

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence episode where we just read some of your d

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<v Speaker 1>m s and stuff and read some of the stuff

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that people say. Great idea. Yeah. So, now, if you

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>guys do actually want to d M me, and if

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you want me to use your name or your handle,

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>say that you want me to make it public, and

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>if not, say it's private. But if you want to

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 1>send me anything, if you want to send me a confession,

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 1>not like anything actually criminal, but like something weird and funny,

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you can send that, you know, if it's like I

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>want to poot my pants in Central Park and that

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>actually did happen to me, which is why it was

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>very specific and the first thing I could think of

0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the long story. And it's not the only time I

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.720
<v Speaker 1>put my pants to be fair, but um yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>so send me some d M s or feedback or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want. I'll read it out loud on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, guys, you know, you can also always call in, right,

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone. Crame eight six six twenty one. Come it's

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<v Speaker 1>eight six six two and two seven four six three.

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<v Speaker 1>Officer and corrections Officer. M Yeah, I'm a nut. Okay

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<v Speaker 1>by you guys. It's real time cra it real time

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<v Speaker 1>gra I mean, is it actually real time I'm solving anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that just the thing we say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>thing we say, got it. Okay, see you next week

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