1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: have with me oftentimes Dmitri. Hello, often times Dmitri. How 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: are you? Always? Leah? Always? Leah is pretty good. She's 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: excited about the hot topics today, not gonna lie. Also, 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: she's still in Abiza and you may have just met 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: my hot topic. Yeah, a couple of things. Haven't you 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: been there for like three months? Have you moved there 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: and not told us? It does feel like that. But 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: I am leaving tomorrow for Croatia, Okay, taking a long 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: round home, got it? Yeah? Yeah, I just have to 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: get go and check all my offshore accounts. Yeah, and 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: um met you know, uh, some interesting people here. Yeah, 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure this is my place 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: to say it, but I did notice that there was 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: a strapping man in the background a few minutes ago. 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: And what nationality would you say he was? I believe 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: that was an Australian accent that I heard. Hilarious British, 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: But that's fine, was it really? Yeah or whatever? He's 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: super proper. He's Jewish, He's super proper. Let's delve into 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: that for a minute. I will say this, I did 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: first think maybe we were cousins. I was like, I 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: think we need to check before we can move forward 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: with this. Okay, So that was okay. I just want 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: to make sure that that wasn't like, oh, let me 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: meet him. I think we might be cousins. So he 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: was both. I was honestly checking to see if maybe 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: that was your first reaction versus Lee is definitely making 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: out with this man, you know, I mean, nice, nice 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: British Jewish man. How many of those are going to find? 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: He seems very nice, seemed very helpful, super helpful. So 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: you are making out with him? Yeah, I mean that's 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean I don't want to two assumptions, 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: but oh yeah, I'm making out with my cousin. So perfect. 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: Speaking of cousins, ha ha no, no, speaking of family feuds. 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: We've got some interesting hot topics today. We've got Kelly 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: Clarkson's ex husband accusing her of spying on him l 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: O L. We've got, obviously, our Dave Chappelle dramas continuing 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: on figuring out a little bit more about his attacker. 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: And then we have this insane case that I'm sure 41 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: you guys have all been following about Casey and Vicky White, 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: although not related L O L. And then we will 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: finally be rounding out with Devon Duniver today. All right, Dmitri, 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: let's just dive right into Kelly Clarkson because this is 45 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: pretty bad ship. Yeah, it's uh. You wonder how these 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: kids couldn't make it with stories like this. I always 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: wonder how kids of stars do it, you know, because 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: I feel like their whole lives are under a scrutiny, 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: which is essentially what Kelly his ex husband is accusing 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: her of doing. So. Despite on an hundred and fifteen 51 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollar a month spousal support settlement, it seems that 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson and Brandon black Stock divorce drama is far 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: from over. Two months after their divorce was finalized, Brandon's 54 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: legal team has filed new court documents demanding Kelly has 55 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: all of her thirteen CCTV cameras switched off at the 56 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: property for the remainder of brandon stay at the Montana ranch. Reportedly, 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: Brandon feels spied on because he suspects Kelly may have 58 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: access to the CCTV footage on the property and wants 59 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: them all turned off his legal tam is also demanding 60 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: proof once the cameras are disabled, and as part of 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: the divorce settlement, black Stock was allowed to continue living 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: at the Montana Ranch through the month of June. Apparently 63 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: he could not afford to go to place of his 64 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: own the former couple allegedly so, it said in the 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: article the former couple shares seven year old River and 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: six year old Remington. Not only is Kelly have to 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: pay him a hundred and fifteen k a month through January, 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: she was also hit with a one time payment to 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: her ex in the amount of one point three mill. Meanwhile, 70 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: her child supports Brandon. Isn't astounding forty thousand. You know 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: there's some money floating around there. So right away I'm 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: gonna throw out the I couldn't afford another place. Hundred 73 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand a month, isn't. And I know some of 74 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: us for the kids, isn't He also like the stepson 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: of Barbara streisand or something he is I thought, so 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to misspeak here, but I thought 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: he was the stepson or something of somebody. Yeah, to 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: meet you do some googling before you make such a 79 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: crazy claim like that. Well, no, for what, that's what 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: we're doing here. Okay, so that's yeah, we make crazy 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: claims so allegedly steps on of Barbera Streis. And also 82 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: how much money do your kids need per month? Not much? Everyone? Right? 83 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: And then plus the one point three on top of it. 84 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, was he just like a trophy dad? Husband? 85 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: There are a few of us out there, hilarious, just 86 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: because you look like a trophy you mean just stone face? Oh, oh, 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: stone face? That is what I meant, Dmitri, don't leave me. Um. Well, 88 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing though, I am fine with him not 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: wanting the cameras on, right, because that could be a 90 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: little weird. Um. I don't know what he's doing or 91 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: if he just feels like she's trying to you know, 92 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: they've already settled stuff, right, so it's not like she 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: would be trying to gather stuff. She it's a huge ranch, 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: and their cameras. I don't think that they're in his 95 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: bedroom or bathroom. Like what privacy does he need that's 96 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: on her property that he feels like it's being intruded, 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: like who's coming in and out? That he feels like 98 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: he needs this extra privacy, Like if there's coming in 99 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: and out that she needs the cameras on. Maybe there 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: are thieves, the reasonable, the whole reason they have cameras 101 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: in the first place, you know, yeah, yeah, Okay, Well 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: here's the thing. So if he's gonna say she has 103 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: to turn these off, then he then has to sign 104 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: something and say if anything goes wrong, if someone breaks 105 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: onto the property, if someone trashes the property, that's on me, 106 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to take care of that. Okay, 107 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: So I acent agree with that. I feel like if 108 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: anything is quote unquote stolen from the property after the 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: cameras go off, it's going to be an inside job. 110 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, okay, sorry. Reba McIntire was married to 111 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Blackstock's father, literally so far from Barber Streisand no, no, 112 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: not so far, because they're both um singers and they're 113 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: both famous. So in order to be so far, you'd 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: have to be like, oh no, this one's a circus 115 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: clown and this one works in construction. That's the farthest 116 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: you can get. I guess they are both white women. 117 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: You got me there, Tomitri, you got me there. So 118 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: after what many people would probably consider a massive financial 119 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: win for Brandon and this divorce settlement. Do you think 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: this weird legal move just adds to the bad blood? 121 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: And do you think it's going to affect the kids? 122 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I think it's My impression is that this is just 123 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a petty move, like, well, I have you know, if 124 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: she's looking at the cameras for what you've already settled, 125 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: If he's worried about the cameras and saying turn them 126 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: off and she's not, like it's to me, it just 127 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: seems like pettiness right now. Yeah. Also, he's already gotten 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: so much money out of her. Just just let her 129 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: watch you do weird stuff, you know what I mean. 130 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: It's like she she paid a fair price to watch 131 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: the show. Let her leave the thirteen cameras off. I don't, 132 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if you I think you're 133 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: just saying that. I don't know if you agree with that. 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but I do think it's 135 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: it is very funny. But I just wanted the funny. 136 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Speaking of funny, 137 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: let's head back into our fave Dave Chappelle incident at 138 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. So you guys know that his attacker 139 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: came on stage and that he was mangled. This man 140 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: left broken in peace. Is a lot of people tackled him, 141 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of him. Right, So Dave's attacker 142 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Apparently Dave met with his attacker by the way, and 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: he claims he did it for the fact that his 144 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: grandma had been forced out of her Brooklyn neighborhood because 145 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: of gentrification. And I don't know if you guys all 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: know this, but recently, apparently Dave was caught quote unquote 147 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: being against an affordable housing plan in Ohio, where he lives, 148 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: and I think that maybe that there was some backlash 149 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: from that, although when you read more into that story, 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: it's more about the fact that it is a small town, 151 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: and it's more about keeping the town a small town 152 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: rather than adding so many more homes and having it 153 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: be a complete changed atmosphere from where he grew up 154 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: in what the town used to be. And he said 155 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: he was gonna pull all of this funding from making 156 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: a comedy club and all these I mean, look, okay, 157 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: everyone's entitled to their own opinion, right, Okay, So that's 158 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: why he's saying that he lunged onto the stage, and 159 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I guess made this whole ploy to hurt Dave. I 160 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: don't even know if he had an end goal. No, 161 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: I mean what was yeah, what was the end goal? 162 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Was he going to then stand up and say, hey, 163 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt him. I know I have 164 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: this fake gun in this real knife. I just want 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: to raise awareness from my grandmother's Like, it seems like 166 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: an excuse. And apparently he's at l A County jail 167 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: with Bale said at thirty, which is low enough that 168 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: he could probably get out if someone wanted to get 169 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: him out of air like Brandon Blackstock exactly. I mean, 170 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: he's making more than that per month anyway. Um. And 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: and also this guy's twenty three. I don't know. This 172 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: seems like one of those things where you just find 173 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: out later that someone was on drugs or was mentally 174 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: ill or I don't know. It just seems like such 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: a completely out of place motivation. It is, And and 176 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I think if you want to raise awareness, there's there's 177 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: other ways to do. Granted, Hinckley Jr. Shot President Reagan 178 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: because he was trying to get Jodie Foster to go 179 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: out with him, which I mean, digging all the issues 180 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: with that one but so there are there are cases 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: where people do something outrageous to draw attention for something 182 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: but clearly not sane. But I don't buy it. I 183 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: feel like this was an act. Maybe he was angry 184 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: about what Chappelle said, but I don't think he was 185 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: raising awareness. I don't think he was doing this for 186 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: his grandmother. No, I didn't see a sign that said 187 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: gentrification is ruining everything. You know. It wasn't yelling at 188 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: when they were beating the ship out of him. No, No. 189 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: And I don't see him marching around outside of a 190 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: Starbucks near him. You know, that's really the big issue 191 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: here is not Dave Chappelle's Starbucks. Sorry, just hanging around 192 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: a British man. Just really never mind. Okay, so a 193 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: little bit, a little, i'd say things are going well there. 194 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: Uh does he live there or is he? No, he 195 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: lives in London. Okay, So thanks for coming back to 196 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: what's important. Well, so I'm just trying to plan out, 197 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: so there's probably gonna be more podcasts from London to Okay, Tree, 198 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: It's like you saw right through my plan. Wow, I 199 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: could never commit a crime because Dmitri had figured out instantly. 200 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: That's right. But as far as this guy that tackled 201 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, like if he wanted to go strike up 202 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: a deal with the dude with a sign or whatever, like, 203 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: you're right, the signs go some somewhere else. This to 204 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: me is is I went nuts, and now I'm trying 205 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: to to back it off, which drives me crazy because 206 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: all these people who do things and say no, no, 207 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: it was just this, it's like, you know what you 208 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: did it, just own up to it. We have we 209 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: don't have enough resources and time to sift through everyone's 210 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: back channeling of how to get out of something that 211 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: they did. Yeah, it's like if I had to get 212 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: out of every time I brought up a guy I 213 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: thought was going to be the one on this podcast, 214 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I'd be like, I think my grandma got divorced by him, 215 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: mean person, And so now I'm against all marriages, so 216 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: I got to talk about them. And the whole reason 217 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: I keep talking about conjugal visits is because somewhere in 218 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: my lineage someone was in prison, and I find that 219 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: hot something here analogy is better. So I think it's 220 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: also interesting is that Howard Stern, I don't know if 221 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: you heard about this Howard Stern is just popping off 222 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: on Hollywood hypocrisy. You know, he does what he does. 223 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: So during a recent episode of Howard Stern Show, he's saying, 224 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: the guy jumped on stage and attacked Dave Chappelle as 225 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: soon as it happened. Did they let him go back 226 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: to his seat and laugh and sit next to his 227 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: wife and then give him an award? No, they took 228 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: him backstage. They broke his arms and hands so bad 229 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: they and I quote beat the ship out of him. 230 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: Howard says Will should not have been treated differently just 231 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: because of the celebrity status, adding that the academy didn't 232 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: react properly. But is it the academy or is that everyone? 233 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: You know? Because when Dave got attacked, all the other 234 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: comedians start running on stage and see any other actors 235 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: getting up there being like, oh should I get my 236 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: gown dirty? You know, right? And there was no standing ovation. Obviously, 237 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: his his reference well, you know, I think we've said 238 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: this before. I don't think it was handled properly. So 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: he's really just adding on to what we've all discussed, 240 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: and his analogy or here's his comparison doesn't totally work 241 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: because this guy wasn't up for an award at the 242 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: Netflix is a joke thing. He was just there. So no, 243 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: they didn't send him back to his wife and he 244 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: get an award. But the point is made, and that 245 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: should Will Smith have had his arms broken and beat 246 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: up backstage? No, these guys reacted to a threat to 247 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle and people because Will Smith was a celebrity. 248 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: They didn't see it as much of a threat to 249 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Chris Rock. Wasn't handled in correctly, Yeah, Kristen, Chris, Will 250 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: didn't have a gun, Will didn't have a knife. Will 251 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: wasn't premeditated, and Will had had a reputation, right, and 252 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: this guy was an unknown with weapons, multiple and premeditated 253 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he was going to do this right, 254 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: So that's pretty scary. That's a little different in my opinion. 255 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: I wonder if his grandma is proud for the awareness 256 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: he rose and gentrification. Yeah, now they're never gonna build 257 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: up you know, they won't name it after him. I'll 258 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: tell you that did you get what you wanted? Speaking 259 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: of getting what you wanted? Is this back to your guy? Yeah, 260 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: he's so cute. Speaking of getting what you wanted? Well, 261 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: these two people did not get what they wanted. It 262 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: was that a good segue, would you say, you know what, 263 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: We're on the right road. But then I think there's 264 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: a speed bump. But there was a speed bump in 265 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: that I did the opposite of the thing that I wanted. Okay, 266 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: So you guys have heard about the Casey White Vicky 267 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: White no relations story right and escaped Alabama inmate. Casey 268 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: White called prison guard his wife wif I just felt 269 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: like saying like that when apprehended. Okay. Vicky White died 270 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Monday night at the hospital and Casey is now in custody. 271 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: So we've been following this little chase. Florence, Alabama murder 272 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: suspect Casey White has been interviewed extensively since he was 273 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: apprehended in Indiana on Monday, ending an eleven day multistate 274 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: man hunt, and is cooperating with the investigation. So after 275 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: escaped in May, Casey White, thirty eight, and Lauderdale County 276 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Assistant Director of Corrections Vicky White, fifty six, were spotted 277 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: at an Evansville, Indiana hotel on Monday. They led police 278 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: on a car chase in a Cadillac. The crash ended 279 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: in a wreck Cadillac. Yeah right, I mean it sounds 280 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: it just sounds like fear and loathing in Las Vegas. 281 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: So the crowd they were just they were literally just 282 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: heading to Vegas to get Vegas married. That's all that 283 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: was happening. So the crash ended in a wreck. Vicky 284 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: was hospitalized for injuries from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound. 285 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Official set she died at a hospital Monday night in 286 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: a topsy is set for today Tuesday, but by the 287 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: time listening to this Wednesday, or whenever you get around 288 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: listening to it. The man hunt began on April nine, 289 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: when Casey and Vicky, who are not related L O 290 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: L fled the Lauderdale County jail. This honestly feels a 291 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: lot like me and Adam were like, are we related 292 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: or are we dating? Okay. Authorities said they believe Vicky 293 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: willingly participated in the escape, which took place on her 294 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: last day before retirement. I go further than to say 295 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: she willingly participated. I think she planned the whole thing. Yeah, 296 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: And do you think that she thought she would get 297 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: away with it because she was retiring. I mean, it's 298 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: you can't be that bright to think Oh, I'm gonna 299 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm retiring soever they think, oh, she didn't come back 300 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: to work. No, she's with the dude that she walked 301 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: out of prison. She said, I'm gonna bring him, she 302 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: told everybody because she was what the assistant director or 303 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: deputy whatever, she said, I'm bringing him to his mental 304 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: health check at the courthouse or whatever. There was no appointment, 305 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: there was no so to think that they weren't going 306 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: to like follow up and realize that there were some 307 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: plot holes there shows that she was not really thinking 308 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: this past the plan of getting him out of there, which, 309 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: by the way, as you said, eleven day man hunt, right, 310 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: they were gone for eleven days that they escaped where 311 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: they find him like six hours away. So maybe you 312 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: planned how to get out, but you didn't really plan 313 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: what you're going to do after that. Yeah, and can 314 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: we call it a person hunt? Okay? There are two 315 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: people involved in one is not a man Dmitri Okay, 316 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: But I also would like to say, look at all 317 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: the just the holes and the gaps in the system. 318 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: The fact that there was never even an appointment, but 319 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: no one checked up on it. Yeah, Well, and I 320 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: think that's because she was the assistant deputy, and so 321 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: she told her she was the superior to these people, 322 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: and she said, I'm to do this, so why would 323 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: they double check? But it was apparently on a day 324 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: where everyone was like in court doing that, like everyone 325 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: was kind of a sign place. It was perfectly I 326 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: think the escape was perfectly planned on her part. It 327 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: was just why would you only go six hours away 328 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 1: get as far ways? Haven't you seen any movies like 329 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: watch anything with Liam Neeson just just for fun because 330 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: he's fantastic, but also he's fantastic, but also you learn 331 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: how to escape from jail and then moved to a 332 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: different country like everyone else, you know, six hours away 333 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: in a motel six. I mean, they had no plan, 334 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: that's clear. I think they just thought they would wing it. 335 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if she genuinely thought that people 336 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: would think that she somehow got captured and was brought 337 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: along for the ride, but then she committed suicide. Yeah, 338 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: and and like they said, there was no way that 339 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: he planned this, Like and by the way, he's just 340 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: singing along with it. They apparently they interviewed him after 341 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: they caught him, and he's they said, he's very helpful, 342 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: like he's and he wants to go back to Alabama. 343 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: He's like, no, he signed his waive, the extradition thing. 344 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: He's like, I'll go back. She killed herself and he's like, 345 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: oh go. But he was like it was good. It 346 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: was a good run. We tried. But is there any 347 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: world that exists where if we're thinking in a weird 348 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: fantasy land, right, It's like, let's just put this in 349 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: movie terms. What if he pretended to be in love 350 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: with her to get out and it just didn't go 351 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: as planned. There were some sort of romantic turmoil, et cetera, 352 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: she realized her big mistakes, and then maybe she tried 353 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: to make sure he couldn't leave and then it just 354 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: ended in this situation. Is that possible. It's possible, And 355 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: I like where you're going with that. But my understanding 356 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: is that he takes UM medicine for psychotic episodes and 357 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and what he's up I think it's 358 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: different UM and what he's in prison for. You're not 359 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: in prison. What he's in prison for is pretty violent 360 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: stuff and pretty like through fits of rage and stuff. 361 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: So it would it be interesting if that was the case, Yes, 362 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's the case. But don't you 363 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: think he could be super manipulative? Sure, because my understanding 364 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: is that there was also when he was in a 365 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: different prison, he became very friendly with with the guar 366 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so that could be his thing. 367 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: There might have there might be more of the story 368 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: that we will never know. Yeah, this guy's mother you 369 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: this guys six pounds like gigantic, Like Okay, that's not 370 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: where I was going with them. No, definitely not where 371 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: you were going. Yeah. Um, I'm interested to see how 372 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: the story unfold, although I feel like we will probably 373 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: not get the truth on this, probably not, although they 374 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: haven't released what he's been saying. But it will be interesting. Obviously. 375 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Unfortunately she is deceased and we won't be hearing from her. 376 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: But I liken this too. You know this is like 377 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this. I'm gonna try and put 378 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: this in an analogy that that you would understand. I'm 379 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: sure you've been hit on by a guy that's like, oh, man, 380 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: if I could only be with you and this and that, 381 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: and then once you guys got together, it's like, well 382 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: that sucked. That's what this is. She's like, man, we're 383 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: going to escape for prison. I got this whole thing. 384 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. They got out of prison. She's like, 385 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, should we just drive to a motel six? 386 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: Like nothing, there's no there's no payoff. She really for 387 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: everything that she put on the line. This was botched. 388 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: This was very botched. This was very botched. This is 389 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: like a bad celebrity plastic surgery. Yes, speaking of, I 390 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: think it's time for us to delve into our main 391 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: case for today. This is this is really heartbreaking. I 392 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: actually do hate this story. By the way, shall we 393 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: take a break and come back to it. Yeah, I 394 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: need to cry before we just really dive into the 395 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: dark stuff. Yeah we went from having some fun with stuff, 396 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: but this one's a little darker. So yeah, all right, 397 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: we'll be right back down. Touch that dial. Hey guys, 398 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: it's Cheryl Burke. You know me from Dancing with the Stars. 399 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: But guess what, I have a new podcast called Burke 400 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: in the Game. It may look like that my life 401 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: is full of costumes and whatever, but at the end 402 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: of the day, you probably don't know the Cheryl behind 403 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: the Mirrorball trophy. I've been really curious about how and 404 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: why a lot of my relationships or every single one 405 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: really has not worked out, and I can only point 406 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: the finger at myself. One of the things that I 407 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: want to work on is not being so controlling, Like 408 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm so tired of thinking that I can control everything 409 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: around me when there isn't enough hours in the day 410 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: even if there were. In order for me to really 411 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: practice what I'm preaching, I have to turn my life 412 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: over to someone else, and what better way than to 413 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: turn it over to you, guys. I have to be 414 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: able to take accountability, and that's what I'm doing here. 415 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Listen to Burke in the Game starting May tenth on 416 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 417 00:22:46,960 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. I don't know why I keep saying 418 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: dial Dmitri, but here we are social sleuths. We are back. 419 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: No one has a dial, no one, no one's dialing anything. 420 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: I might go as far as to say that you're 421 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: too young to we even say that, because he just 422 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: feels like the thing you're supposed to say. Yeah, but 423 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: you were born in the dial period, right, No, you 424 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: were born into the remote control era. Yeah, she's a 425 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: remote control baby because she lacks control in every other area. 426 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: Of her life. So anyway, let me just mute myself. 427 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Dmitri, Thank you. Dmitri wanted to laugh hysterically 428 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: and then cry, and then he was very sad about 429 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: just everything I've said. In general. Dmitri is still in 430 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: a high from going to Tom Cruise's red carpet. That 431 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: was fun. Did you make any good contacts, you get 432 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: any good photos? You didn't send us any well, because 433 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: you were telling me that you were going to start 434 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: photo shopping yourself in them, and what is wrong with that? Okay? Anyway, 435 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I'll just laugh. A Getty Image logo on it, like 436 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: I was definitely there, even though I was halfway across 437 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: the world. Time to get into the case. It just 438 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: aired last Friday, So you are watched in you know 439 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: what we're talking about? What is this case in? A 440 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: five year old girl named Devon vanished from her apartment 441 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: and Anthony Harris, then twelve years old, was charged and 442 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: convicted of her murder. It was very sad. On June, 443 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: Devin disappeared after she went outside to play. After Doniver 444 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: disappeared from her new Philadelphia, Ohio apartment, her body was 445 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: found in a nearby wooded area. A day later. Harris 446 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and his family lived in the same apartment complex as 447 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: their family and helped in the search. Authorities say the 448 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: little girl was stepped seven times in the neck. Two 449 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: weeks after the body was found, Anthony was brought to 450 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: the police station for questioning. At first, he denied he 451 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: was involved, but he said the pressure from police got 452 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: the best of him. During a hostile interrogation in investigators 453 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: pressured Harris to admit to her murder, which eventually placed 454 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: him behind bars, despite lacking evidence to verify him at 455 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: the scene of the murder. This is very reminiscent of 456 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: Amanda Knox and the Italian officials trying to force a confession. 457 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: According to Harris's interview with says the investigator, he had 458 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: basically told me that if you confessed to this murder, 459 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: you can go home. It's like, okay, well, I'm over 460 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: here scared, so I want to go home. He was 461 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: found guilty, but one an appeal, and his conviction was 462 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: overturned in June of two thousand, after the Ohio Fifth 463 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals determined his confession was coerced. Harris, a 464 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: former marine, is frustrated the actual killer of Doniver has 465 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: not been brought to justice. So this is a really 466 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: interesting story because he still wants to find who the 467 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: real killer is as well. More than twenty years after 468 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Anthony's conviction was overturned, Devon's murder still just remains a 469 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: cold case. Harris ledges that there were some leads in 470 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: this case that were never pursued. Some people who were 471 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: part of the search parties say they looked around the 472 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: area where the little girl was found and didn't see her, 473 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: so they believe her body was placed there after the fact. 474 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: Other witnesses claimed during the trial that they saw a 475 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: man in the area who was wearing a long sleeve 476 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: plaid flannel shirt, which they said was odd given that 477 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: it felt like a ninety degree summer day. Harris said 478 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: he wasn't giving up his drive to help find the 479 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: person responsible for her death. I think that this is 480 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: a really hard story obviously, and I mean it's really 481 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: interesting about miners being interrogated and pressured to confess to crimes, 482 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: and or the fact that you know, his mom was 483 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: able to watch the interrogation through the mirror but couldn't 484 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: hear anything that he was saying. Do you think parents 485 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: should be able to hear what their kids are saying 486 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: when they're being questioned by the police. I would think 487 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: or their lawyer or somebody like you can't have a 488 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: twelve year old in there. And then, like as you said, 489 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: if if the twelve year old scared and listen, I 490 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: obviously don't know if he did this or not. I 491 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: tend to believe he didn't. Um. But if they have 492 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: a twelve year old there and they're scared and there's 493 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: no one else and these guys are just laying them, 494 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: just tell us you did tell us you did it. 495 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Tell oh you did this. We know how that goes 496 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: in there, right, Hey, you can go home if you 497 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: did this. The kids can say I did it because 498 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: I want to go home, right. Also, you know kids 499 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: sometimes not that they lie, but I think you know, 500 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: kids have imaginations, and I think that you're the parent 501 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: would want to hear things because if the kid is 502 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: not sure about a timeline or saying things that aren't 503 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, trying to if someone's trying to place them 504 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime, but you know they 505 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: were actually at the grocery store with their mom at 506 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: that time, but they're saying that they were out playing. 507 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: You know that could potentially completely throw an entire case. 508 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that obviously parents should be 509 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: able to hear their kids if they're under eighteen. Yeah, 510 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: especially these guys are good and interrogators are good at 511 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: what they do. Right, So you're you're matching wits with 512 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: a twelve year old who may nothing. Nothing makes me, 513 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: that's not sure. A lot of things make me angry, 514 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: But I really don't like the the thing. And we've 515 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: seen it in a lot of true crime stuff where 516 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: the police just get something in their head and they're like, 517 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: they just drive that home, and meanwhile there's other options 518 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: that are missed or other evidence and and things to 519 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: look into that just aren't don't get the attention. And 520 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: that's the other thing too, is that this boy who 521 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: probably didn't commit this murder, right, It's like, did he 522 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: have anger issues? Did you like to have to stab 523 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: someone seven times in the neck? Five year old? By 524 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: the way, and not to not to like this is 525 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: sad enough, but think about the size of a five 526 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: year old neck, Like what the that's that's some up stuff. 527 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: Getting the nice figure like this is a very calculated 528 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I just can't imagine how this would happen. 529 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: And if they're saying that the body was placed there after, 530 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: then he certainly didn't do it unless he got help 531 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: from adults, because you couldn't have carried her body, and 532 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: then where would you've hit it. I mean, it's just 533 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: too complicated. Honestly, I'm not saying that kids aren't smart. 534 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this is really out of the 535 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: wheelhouse of a twelve year old. I believe, I think 536 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: so too, and you know, and it was overturned. And 537 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: but the thing is when you do that, when you 538 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, we know what it is, and 539 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: you just put all your your resources into pinning it 540 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: on that person, you're missing all this other stuff, the 541 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: the guy in the flannel shirt and ninety degree weather. 542 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems like something people in Ohio 543 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: would do. Don't be mad at me, Ohio or whatever. 544 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Call us on the hotline if you're mad. But I mean, 545 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: that's like, maybe that's something, maybe it's not, but there 546 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: are there certainly has to be other things that could 547 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: have been, you know, looked at. And I don't know 548 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: how they did their job, but it sounds like they 549 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, took this twelve year old kid and 550 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: was and was like this is it and and just 551 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: focus their resources on that and how flims he couldn't 552 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: have been a year later it's overturned. Yeah, I mean 553 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: sometimes they just fixate on wanting to get an answer 554 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 1: and moving on and they don't even care if it's 555 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: right or wrong. It's like you don't care that you're 556 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: messing with someone's entire life, you know. So his life 557 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: was changed forever, right, I mean he basically that follows 558 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: you around. You know, there's and there's no justice to 559 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: the story. So it's she's still dead. He his name 560 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: is forever tarnished, even though he never actually murdered anyone, 561 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: and especially since they never found right. So it's not 562 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: like they're saying, oh, he's innocent. They're saying the case 563 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: was overturned because of of not enough evidence or whatever. 564 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: So he doesn't even have you're right, he doesn't even 565 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: have his name cleared from that like, oh he didn't 566 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: do it. It's like, oh, he wasn't found, he wasn't 567 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: required to stay in prison for it, right, So you 568 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: know that there are some people who probably think he 569 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: still did it. It's so said, do you think that 570 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: there should be some sort of restitution paid to him 571 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: and his family for what they had to go through? Uh? Yeah, 572 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: I do. I think obviously. I think it has to 573 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: be proven. You know, they have to find the killer 574 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: or prove that it wasn't him in order to pay 575 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: that out. But if that's the case, then I think yeah, 576 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: for sure. And his life is his life is completely changed. No, nothing, 577 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean obviously, the most heart felt thing here goes 578 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: to the family, the five year old in the family 579 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: of devon Um. But then his family and if he 580 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: didn't do this, that's their lives were shattered and altered 581 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: forever as well. So if if he had nothing to 582 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: do with this, yeah, there should be some sort of compensation. 583 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: I think so too. And do you think that there's 584 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: any chance of this case being solved more than twenty 585 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: years later? I mean, in my opinion, thank you Leah 586 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: asking your answering your own question. In my opinion, it 587 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: will just seems like there were a lot of leads 588 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: they never followed up on. So unless there's any sort 589 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: of DNA evidence, it's going to be impossible. Yeah. Um, 590 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: And I've said in my mind a lot of times 591 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: I've said, oh, we're never gonna have the answer to 592 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: this one, but then for some reason, something comes up. 593 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: And nowadays, obviously they're doing so much more with DNA, 594 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: and it's that now they like they'll even dig up 595 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: graves and find DNA that matches. Are you scratching your 596 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: nose with your microphone? I did scratch my nose with 597 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: my microphone, and no one needed to know that. But 598 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: I do appreciate you calling attention to it. We can 599 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: cut that out. I thought you were just it looked 600 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: like you were nuzzling up to it or something. I 601 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: just thought it was Adam, my British Jewish man. But no, no, 602 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: I but I do. I think they can do a 603 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: lot with DNA. But is their DNA evidence? You know, 604 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: they've been able to solve cases thirty years after the 605 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: fact because there is DNA evidence and now they have 606 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: better technology. I just this feels this has the essence 607 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: of a forever cult case. It's it's very possible, but um, 608 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: you never know, because obviously they must have collected and 609 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: hopefully held onto evidence from that day whatever she was 610 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: wearing where they found her stuff like that, And I 611 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: have seen cases where they go back and they they 612 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: then matched two evidence that is that old DNA stuff 613 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: now that they have the technology, so it is possible, 614 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: but you kind of figured they would have done that already. Um, 615 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd like to think, but obviously there's 616 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: some cases that have not been solved that are similar 617 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: to that. So it's it's possible. We'll never know. It's 618 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: possible we'll never know. All right, you know this is 619 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: a really heavy case, Dmitri, So I think i'd like 620 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: to go to break before we cover our last hot 621 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: topic for today. And as you pointed out, these breaks 622 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: are not times for the listeners to go and commit crimes. No, 623 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know why I was asking you permission 624 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: to take a break a break. I don't think anybody 625 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: took it that way because you would never social suits. 626 00:33:46,320 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: BRB babes and welcome back to Real time Crime, you guys. 627 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Today's last hot topic. Jesus, this is I mean, what 628 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: is going on with our prison system? Okay? In St. Louis, 629 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: a corrections officer has been arrested for bringing drugs to inmates. 630 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: First of all, it's like I kind of just assume 631 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: this happens all the time. If I'm honest, all right, 632 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: moving on, I don't know, I never really gave a thought, 633 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: but clearly there's there's a bond that gets created between 634 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: certain correction officers and inmates and stuff like that. Um 635 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: so it's the only human interaction, you know. I feel 636 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: like you become attracted to whoever you're around, whether for 637 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: better or for worse, you know. And that's why I'm 638 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: starting to feel like I shouldn't just have feelings for 639 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: the first European man I meet. That's like buying the 640 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: first house you see. It's like, yeah, but when you 641 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: but when you've been living on the street and you 642 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: you know you have good money to buy a house, 643 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: you buy it when in Rome, Yeah, you just buy 644 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: the house in Rome. So, guys, I'm moving to London 645 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: anyway to mean she's dying, okay. So so this officer 646 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: was arrested while on duty after she was accused of 647 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: delivering drugs to inmates. Guys. This officer had worked at 648 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: the correctional facility for four years before her arrest. After 649 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: a very long investigation, authorities claim that she brought in contraband, 650 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: which included drugs and possibly fentanyl. The inmate she delivered 651 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: the drugs too. Is Anthony Chapman, who also faces similar charges, 652 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: but he's already in jail, so I mean, I guess 653 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: he just stays a little longer. According to authorities, text 654 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: messages dating back to October two thousand twenty one showed Coffer, 655 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: the corrections officer, and Chapman discussing their plans on how 656 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: to transport the drugs, along with footage showing the former 657 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: corrections officer interacting with someone in a vehicle and bringing 658 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: multiple items to Chapman's sell So, first of all, I 659 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't know inmates could get cell phones to text. Yeah, 660 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: it's a different it's a different prison system that I 661 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: grew up with, right, Okay, I'm like, okay, so it 662 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: was my childhood bedroom actually a prison because I did 663 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: get text messages in there, um you know, but the 664 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: correctional officers there weren't as nice as these. Okay. So 665 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: the corrections officers claim she brought the fentinal pills to 666 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: Chapman during a police interview. Meanwhile, there were two non 667 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: fatal overdoses of inmates in November of last year. Oh okay, 668 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: So after she serves four years as a correctional officer. 669 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: It's like, how could someone who's so familiar with incarceration 670 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: put themselves in a situation where they're arrested and then 671 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: placed in jail. Like don't you think that they wouldn't 672 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: would want to avoid being the one in jail? It 673 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. I agreed. And and you'd 674 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: also think they would know certain things like you have 675 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: to not be thinking this through you're texting with the 676 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: inmate and scheduling all this through text message. Not the brightest, 677 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: Um No, I mean, you're leaving a trail, there are receipts. 678 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's like you might as well just 679 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: posted on Instagram let everyone know your plans. Yeah, And 680 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. Obviously, we've done two stories today where 681 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: um correctional officers have developed some sort of bond with inmates, 682 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it happens quite a bit more. I 683 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: don't know the process for correctional officers and stuff like that, 684 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: but if they're like a mental health thing every couple 685 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: of years, or you know, kind of like you would 686 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,919 Speaker 1: do with a parole board, even though I know they're 687 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: not the ones being held, and I'm sure it's a 688 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: very difficult job to staff. But I think you almost 689 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: have to either move them around or check in on 690 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: them and and and make sure that they're not developing 691 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: relationships with these inmates. Like maybe I'm I mean, do 692 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: you think it's romantic? Do you? I mean? I feel 693 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: like these all have to be kind of romantic. I 694 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: don't think this was purely a business transaction. I think 695 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: that you know, when you're in close proximity to certain 696 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: people all the time, you inevitably fall for one or 697 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, and you and it's that Florence 698 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: stutting Gale thing too. You probably feel badly for these people. 699 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: Think you hear their side of the store. You think 700 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't do it, maybe there was a reason 701 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: that they did it, or you know, maybe they've changed 702 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: their ways, or maybe you don't care. So yeah, I'm 703 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: sure there is a romantic element to it. And I'm 704 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: sure I don't know that I necessarily find it romantic. 705 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: Like if you were to write a rom com and 706 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: it was a correctional officer who found in love with 707 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: an inmate in this time, I don't know that that 708 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: would hook me the way these others do. But I'm 709 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: sure there's Listen, there's someone out there for everyone. It's 710 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: just yeah, and I found mine. By next week, I'll 711 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: have a different guy in the background. Here's the deal. 712 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: Is he still there? Because okay, that's good, because what 713 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: are you gonna say, Well, you keep talking about how 714 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: you're going to move to London and you found your 715 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: every day. I just want to make sure I don't 716 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: see him tiptoeing out with the suitcase after he hears 717 00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: these things. I'm actually in prison and he's my is 718 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: in guard. No. I just I just think that you 719 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: know whether or not you want to consider this a workplace. 720 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: This is kind of a don't ship where you eat situation, 721 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: and maybe that is exactly what I'm doing here in Avisa. 722 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: But you know what, some birds just don't want to 723 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: fly free. Yeah I don't. In fairness, I don't see 724 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: your situation as the same as this one. You're not 725 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: being held because you've done something wrong, Yeah, I don't. 726 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a part of you that 727 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: thinks that they wanted to get caught. I guess that 728 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: always crosses my mind when people do something stupid. But 729 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: then I realized that, no offense, there are just some 730 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,479 Speaker 1: stupid people out there. I mean, they just get caught 731 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: secretive about it. Yeah, it's like they were overdoses, so 732 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: obviously there were drugs coming in. Then they have text messages. 733 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: It's like, grow up, understand that if you're texting someone 734 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: anything at any point, it will be made apparent. Yeah, 735 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: don't see the benefit to um to wanting to get 736 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: caught on that one unless it's like a guilt thing 737 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, I've done this and now I need 738 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: to get out of it. But it didn't seem like 739 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: that's what it was. It's not like they're gonna be 740 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: locked up together. It's not They're like they're like they're 741 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, well, you guys obviously broke 742 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: the law here, we're gonna let them free and you 743 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: guys go live. There was no benefit to this unless 744 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: it was just getting rid of guilt. But I feel like, again, 745 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: there's a different way to do that. Yeah, I I 746 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: think that you're right though, I think that they need 747 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: to start rotating. Well, maybe it really messes up their 748 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: lives because maybe they're they live in somewhere and they 749 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: don't want to keep moving around to different facilities, you 750 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Correctional officers. So it's like I 751 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: could see why they wouldn't want to continually uproot their 752 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: lives every three to six months or six months to 753 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: a year, or whatever it is. But maybe they need 754 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: to take a closer peak and evaluate making sure no 755 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: one's getting too connected to each other. Yeah, just put them. 756 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: They don't have to like move to a different state. 757 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: These states that we're talking about, I think have multiple 758 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: correctional facilities. Just rotate them around. It's kind of like 759 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: working at different Starbucks. By the way, Um, I just 760 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: wrote down a little note a few minutes ago. You said, 761 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: by the way, you're right, Dmitri. So I think we're 762 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: gonna use that as one of the social media clips. 763 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: Doesn't out of context? Is fine. I just want that, 764 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're gonna end today, Guys. 765 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna end today, where Dmitri 766 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: feels empowered. Oh my god, I forget I got a compliment. 767 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: All right, you run off, go have fun with Andrew. 768 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: We'll wrap up early. First of all, it's Adam. Second 769 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: of all, it might be Andrew next week. Third of all, 770 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: I like that me saying that you're right, is considered 771 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: a compliment that I mean, I gotta better, I gotta 772 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: do better. Dmitri, Well, you start off every episode with 773 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: this is sometimes now more than likely more often and 774 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: like he could possibly make it. So he's saying I'm right, 775 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: it's and then telling me that you didn't have to 776 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: ask permission for a commercial break. Trust me, all this 777 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: stuff gathers up. So when you say you're right, it 778 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: is a compliment and you go have fun with I'm 779 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: not gonna keep it anymore. You have fun with Adam, right, 780 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: Adam hilarious. And you know if I think that, I 781 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: think the listeners deserve to see him. So so, Tara, 782 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: our producer, if you want to just add a quick 783 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: clip of earlier when Dmitri, when you guys got to 784 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: meet him. You know, so be it. So just add 785 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: the clip when she goes, hold on, I just want 786 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: you to see something. And he walked in and I 787 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: just started laughing. I felt bad for him, but I'm 788 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: sure Helen, Oh boy, I am a nightmare. All right, 789 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: you guys, this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. 790 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm Leo Lamar. You can find me at Leo Lamar. 791 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: That's right, with two urs on Twitter and Instagram and 792 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: TikTok with five hours why I don't know what. I 793 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: messed up my TikTok account a while ago. And that's 794 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: just where we're at. And of course you can listen 795 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: to this podcast everywhere that you find your podcast and 796 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: make sure to share it with your friends. And if 797 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: you want to slide into my d m s, tell 798 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: me which episodes you're enjoying, what you're liking. Maybe if 799 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: you want to give me some feedback, like, hey, Leah, 800 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: stop laughing at your own jokes. I'm not going to, 801 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 1: but just if you wanted to, I would understand. And Dmitri, 802 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: we can find you on the internet as at the 803 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: main stream pant pas like your actual names. Um, but 804 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think we should do an 805 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: evidence episode where we just read some of your d 806 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: m s and stuff and read some of the stuff 807 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: that people say. Great idea. Yeah. So, now, if you 808 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: guys do actually want to d M me, and if 809 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: you want me to use your name or your handle, 810 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: say that you want me to make it public, and 811 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: if not, say it's private. But if you want to 812 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: send me anything, if you want to send me a confession, 813 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: not like anything actually criminal, but like something weird and funny, 814 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: you can send that, you know, if it's like I 815 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: want to poot my pants in Central Park and that 816 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: actually did happen to me, which is why it was 817 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: very specific and the first thing I could think of 818 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: the long story. And it's not the only time I 819 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 1: put my pants to be fair, but um yeah, so 820 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: so send me some d M s or feedback or 821 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: whatever you want. I'll read it out loud on the podcast. 822 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: And you, guys, you know, you can also always call in, right, 823 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, you can just call on Live eight six 824 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 1: six twenty one Crime So easy. It's eight six six 825 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: to anyone. Crame eight six six twenty one. Come it's 826 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: eight six six two and two seven four six three. 827 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: Adam is going to leave me after hearing this song. 828 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: Make sure to follow us at Real Time Crime Pod 829 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: on Instagram. We love you so much. Stay safe, good 830 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: night friends. All right, you and Adam go play Corrections 831 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 1: Officer and corrections Officer. M Yeah, I'm a nut. Okay 832 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: by you guys. It's real time cra it real time 833 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 1: gra I mean, is it actually real time I'm solving anything? 834 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: Or is that just the thing we say it's a 835 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: thing we say, got it. Okay, see you next week 836 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: for more real time crime, only on I Horror Radio.