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Speaker 1: Hey, hi, everybody, welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It is a gloomy, awful day in New York City.

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Speaker 1: It's been great though the weather. Every time we get

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Speaker 2: A really important thing for us to live in in

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Speaker 2: this in this city. For Nastus Meteorology podcast. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: what you guys, tune in for.

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Speaker 1: It, right, it's it's it's about how I feel as

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Speaker 1: It's some sets moved.

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Speaker 2: I guess your name is on the podcast, so you

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Speaker 1: This is true. So if you want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the weather. So if I fuck it up, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: all it's terrible. It's all on me because there you go. Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: We had a week in China. We did, we did.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the weather, the weather was really hot, really humid,

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Speaker 2: and it was super super sweaty, which candidly I was

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Speaker 1: I was steamy here. The funny thing I was about

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Speaker 2: They did in there a sort of a fairy tale,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the reason Caitlin I say it

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Speaker 2: Do you want to leave your kids that are getting older?

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Speaker 2: I mean, would going back to this cousin display, I

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Speaker 1: with some power on the backhand. It's coming back with

428
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: some shitty slice forehands that are going to make her

429
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 1: get down and hit her another make her hit a slice,

430
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: whether it be off the back end or the forehand.

431
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 1: Coco is gonna junk you. She's not gonna miss.

432
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 2: She's gonna hit loop, slice, flat, cheesy, whatever it takets,

433
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: she's gonna make you flight, She'll make it.

434
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: She'll bring it to you. I mean, she is the

435
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: ultimate at certain times, not all the time. So don't

436
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Speaker 1: take this the wrong way people that love Cocoke, because

437
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: you know how much I love her. She's the able, ultimate,

438
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 1: winning ugly. She really would be the first to say it.

439
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things that was funny, but

440
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: in post tournament commentary, she released her video of herself

441
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: singing karaoke and celebrating afterwards, and she was like, yeah,

442
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,199
Speaker 2: my team tried to tell me not to do this,

443
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: but guess what, I'm stubborn, And I think to.

444
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Speaker 1: Your point, she's stubborn. She's so stubborn. Hes stubborn in

445
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: even playing that thing.

446
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she's stubborn in the way she wins

447
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: especial situations where maybe she's got to win ugly, and

448
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: I think, you know, list't winning ugly, it is still winning.

449
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: And my look, my thing was okay, and you know this,

450
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: I said this. It's the thing about winning ugly, is it.

451
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 1: It's got to be so stressful, Like at some point,

452
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: how much is she going to be able to take?

453
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're adrenal glance of like just being like zero, God,

454
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: I can't get a serve in the court.

455
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't hit my forehand. Ah, it's

456
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: not like I'm just having okay, I'm a bit nervous today.

457
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: Like Jessica Gula, her biggest issue was always like, oh

458
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: my bracket doesn't feel great, and she's kinetically always hitting

459
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: her strings and being like I can't feel the ball.

460
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: And she's never like I can't hit I know I

461
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: can hit a serve or well, there was a period

462
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: of time there in the Sabalanca match where she.

463
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: Couldn't, but you know what I mean, Traditionally she's not.

464
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: I would hate to walk out on the court and

465
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Speaker 1: know that there were two weaknesses that were so glaring

466
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Speaker 1: that everybody knew about. And as soon as I missed

467
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: one or two of them. I'm like, oh my god,

468
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: everybody knows I can't hit my forehand in the court

469
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: right now. It's like, how much like Sabalanca's not walking

470
00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: out there? I mean she was when she was double

471
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: folding twenty eight times a match herself and serving under'm

472
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: she was like she had anxiety based on her surf. Right,

473
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: how many players in the top ten are going, oh

474
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Speaker 1: my god, I hope I can hit that shot in

475
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: the court today. And that is Coco. There are times

476
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Speaker 1: where she was double folding again it was in the

477
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: semis or the final or whatever. But no, she just

478
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: keeps going. I mean, I don't know. She's built different.

479
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: She is built different. I mean I give her tons

480
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Speaker 1: of credit. Fuck I mean, I mean, I love it.

481
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right thing because at

482
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Speaker 1: some point, again in a big match at the major's okay,

483
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: because it is a different feeling. Is it going to

484
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Speaker 1: hurt her though that she hasn't worked on those things enough.

485
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Speaker 2: I kind of feel this way about Coco all the time,

486
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: which is just like she's so good, she's such a fighter,

487
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: she's such a great boon to the sport. I can't

488
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: fathom why six months haven't been sacrificed at some point

489
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: along the way to just shore up the problems. Yeah,

490
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: because it can't be fun winning this way. But what

491
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: I tell you what today, I guess you know, lifting

492
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: the trophy of your head is the ultimate statement.

493
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Speaker 1: So like, what right now, I'll tell you what's not

494
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: fun when you're a coaching team and she wins the

495
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: tournament says you know what, Fuck you guys, You're not

496
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Speaker 1: getting a bonus. Did you want to come.

497
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: Here? We were on Well, you know what, I'm keeping

498
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: my money because I came because I had to.

499
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Speaker 1: Do it on b of you guys. Yeah, that's not.

500
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Speaker 2: That's a really interesting bit of insight.

501
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have to also mention that Paulini just

502
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: she like smokes that was awesome, Like she played out

503
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Speaker 1: of her mind. I mean, shiron Tech also was not.

504
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: There's two things about shrion Tech and Rebeccna very similar

505
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: in the losses that they had just bad errors, just

506
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: not making the right shot at the right time. And

507
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's lacking in confidence. I think

508
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: that could be the case with maybe Rebekina, but with Eager.

509
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm kind of like don't know if she's

510
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: in that space of being confident or not. You know,

511
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: she won in Korea and then she's been playing a

512
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: lot when's Wimbledon, so you kind of think she's kind

513
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: of in that like floating purgatory area right now, really

514
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 1: not knowing what she's doing. But you know, like I'll

515
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: give you an example. Two break points for Rebekina sable

516
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: Anca hit. I mean, because Rebekina can serve you off

517
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: the court like no, she's ind and you know, Sablenka

518
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: takes two returns and smacks them cross court to rabeck

519
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: In's backhand, and I kind have had like an opportunity

520
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: to go back cross quarter back through the middle, and

521
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: she tried to go down the line twice, bang down

522
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: the line, missing in the bottom of the banged down

523
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: the line, missing in the bottom of the net again,

524
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's technically one of the biggest points

525
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Speaker 1: of the match. You cannot afford to lose your serve

526
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Speaker 1: against sable Anka on one of the on two of the

527
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: biggest points in the match, I E. Breakpoint. You chose

528
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: to hit the hardest shot and as good as your

529
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: back end is and her back end is, who it's

530
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: as good as anybody's has ever been. You chose to

531
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: try and hit that one down the line, and then

532
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: you did it again on another breakpoint, So that, to me,

533
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: that's just bad shot selection. And then for Tech, very

534
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: similar in a lot of ways, like had opportunities and

535
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: just sort of miss them and you just think, oh,

536
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: is that really the right shot to hit there? And

537
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: then on top of that, Paolini playing unbelievable and Sablanca

538
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: playing unbelievable, which is why those matches were straight sets. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

539
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: for sure.

540
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean for me, the there was.

541
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Speaker 1: No Choco out there when and ugly getting that ball

542
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: back in the court. No, like Coco is not going

543
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: to try and hit that back and down the line. No,

544
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: he's going to take that back cross court.

545
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: D true, And she's just want to speak percentage shut okay,

546
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: you you now go down the line. That's right. I

547
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: love seeing Paulini surge in this part of the calendar

548
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: year and be part of the conversation again, she's your

549
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: favorite player. The tour is so strong when she is

550
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: playing well, and in years past we have had nothing

551
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: but big hitters win in Asia traditionally, and so.

552
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: The fact that big service big hitters, yet you know

553
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it's fast.

554
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: As you said, the Nisimova and Sabilanca and Rabakna game

555
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 2: style is certainly favored in that and instead we have,

556
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, some variety which again going into if the

557
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: year end tournament finals are to be interesting, and we've

558
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: already kind of established that. Besides Yannick Center and Carlos

559
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: Ocaas on the men's side, I don't know who else

560
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: is going to bring their A game to turn the women.

561
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: It seems like it's way more I.

562
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: Can tell you what the final is going to be

563
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: there already, Carlos Andiganik. Yeah, Yannick wins in three sets,

564
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, probably Yeah. I think when you look

565
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: at the race of the WTA finals, boy oh boy,

566
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: is a lot of fun.

567
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Speaker 1: When you look at who is in that section read

568
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: the points, I'm curious. So so Sablanca is pretty far

569
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: ahead of everybody else. She's actually at ten thousand straight

570
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: points twent ten thousand on the nose, not even ten thousand,

571
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: one hundred ten ten down number. I think I've ever

572
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: seen that, to be honest, because it's very rare. Sean

573
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: take eighty three hundred and sixty eight. So they are locked.

574
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Coco Goff locked in at number three, anissimo but at

575
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: fifty nine hundred points, so you know those four are locks.

576
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: Jess Bagoula is already in as well at fifty one

577
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: eighty three, and then there's a fight. Then you have

578
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: Maddie Keys at forty four hundred and forty nine points,

579
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Number six Andreva forty three nineteen, so about one hundred

580
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: and twenty points behind, which is like the difference between

581
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: a quarter and a semi for example, at the next tournament,

582
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: now it comes down to winning or maybe a runner

583
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: up and a five hundred, and then Pauolini is at

584
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: eight at forty one hundred and thirty one points. Now

585
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: the big, big thing for Paulini was this week. Her

586
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: beating shon Tech and getting to the semis really helped

587
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: her because Rebarkina is at thirty nine thirteen, Okay, so

588
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: she is about one hundred let's see one hundred and

589
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: thirty about she's about two hundred points behind Pauolini. Now,

590
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: so that's a massive difference, right because when you so,

591
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: she's literally the only one that can pass Paolini. Alexandrova

592
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: is at thirty one fifty eight, so she is a

593
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: thousand points behind Paulini, so there's no chance of her

594
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: catching The only one that can catch Paolini is a Rebarkina.

595
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: And I believe there is a bunch of indoor tournaments.

596
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: So look, if Rabarkin is going to jump over Paulini,

597
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible playing indoors in Europe. But that is

598
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: the only one. And so they jumped over Paulini, jumped

599
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: over Rebarkina for the number eight spot in the WTA

600
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: finals race in this tournament. So that's how important that

601
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: tournament was for Pauolini. And if Paulini had beaten Coco Oh,

602
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: that would have helped her mandus amount. But having said that,

603
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: she beats Riantech and now she's she's in the WTA

604
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: finals and rebark In it is outside of the top eight.

605
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: It's it's all going to come down to the next

606
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: three weeks. In Asia. Yep, they don't go. The women

607
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: don't go to Europe.

608
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: The men do.

609
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: But they're in China, Japan, Hong Kong.

610
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, Caitlin, I have been

611
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: there for this situation. I have been there for this

612
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: situation as a player in my own right, chasing points,

613
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: and I've been there as a coach with a player

614
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: who was chasing points, and it is so stressful. Sure,

615
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: it is so stressful and warrant profound, Yeah, of course,

616
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, don't worry about what parl Like if

617
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: you're a rebek in this coach, or if you're a

618
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: poliness coach, you're like, don't worry about what they're doing.

619
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Speaker 2: You just you go and win the tournament. That's If

620
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: you win the tournament, you're going to be in and

621
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: you're going to be fine.

622
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, And then all of a sudden, you're like,

623
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: you win one match and all you're doing is looking

624
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: at the scoreboard. Are they winning? Are they winning? Are

625
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: they winning? Did they lose? Did they lose? Because you like,

626
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: at this point, at this time of the year, you

627
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: have a shit about winning the tournament. You're just like,

628
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I just want to get into you stuff. Let me

629
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: get in finals, you know. So yeah.

630
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 2: So it reminds me of October baseball, where it's like,

631
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: not enough for your team to win, the other teams

632
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: have to lose.

633
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: You got to have a good record to get into

634
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: the postseason. I want to take a.

635
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Pretty hard pivot out of the Asia Swing to talk

636
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: a little bit about two folks we've talked at length

637
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: about on the podcast, and you don't know at all

638
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: what I'm going to talk about. So I'm excited for

639
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Speaker 2: you to see your face.

640
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Speaker 1: I love when you do this to me.

641
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So as you run, need a drum roll, get

642
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Speaker 2: into drubble. So as you know, Nick Curios has a podcast. Yes,

643
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: Nipios has been talking to a lot of folks on

644
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Speaker 2: his podcast.

645
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: God I'm so scared now.

646
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: And Nick Curios has, uh, you know, taking shots. It's

647
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: a lot easier for him to take those shots when

648
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: he's not playing tennis and doesn't have to back anything

649
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: up on the tennis court. And over the weekend he

650
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: took a bit of a shot at Andy Murray, Oh,

651
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: which you know, geez, here we go yikes, And you know,

652
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it is the worst, but

653
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: he was basically like, we used to be friends. We're

654
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: not friends anymore. I guess, and these are his words.

655
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: I guess.

656
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: He's just like a colleague. I mean, we used to

657
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: be closer. He was one of the people who's very

658
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: supportive of me, but now we don't talk. I wanted

659
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: him on my podcast and he acted too important. There's

660
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: your truth, bro find some time.

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, maybe Andy doesn't want to come on your podcast.

662
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear any Marie does not want to come

663
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: on your And.

664
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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why I would venture

665
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: to say is that Andy doesn't want to have any

666
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: controversial shit out there, and he probably feels like it's

667
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: going to be a bit of a gotcha. Sure right,

668
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: And that's what you have to know when you do

669
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: podcasts or when you do especially long form interviews, which

670
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: a long form interview of people out there means it's long. Okay,

671
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: it's like thirty minutes, forty minutes an hour.

672
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not doing You're not doing at the desk

673
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: at Tennis Channel after you wint to matchine. You're unraveling

674
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: some big themes.

675
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: You're going into some moment getting told in our ear

676
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: two minutes maximum, get him off the court. It's not

677
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Speaker 1: going to This is a different.

678
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Speaker 2: Situation I would if I were Andy Murray also hadly

679
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: go on Andy Raddick's podcast.

680
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Speaker 1: Andy Raddick podcast is great. Andy Raddick, I'm sure respects him,

681
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: and Andy, if you want to come on mine and.

682
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Now, sure, yeah, come on, And I'm sure Andy Murray

683
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: would have a great time on a lot of the

684
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: other really excellent tennis podcasts. I'm not sure that I

685
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: would choose to go on Nick Curious podcast, knowing how

686
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Speaker 2: controversial Nick has become in the last couple of years.

687
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, it kind of the bedmeats who's kept with

688
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, the Andrew Tears of the World and other folks.

689
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Speaker 1: Did he say anything, did he say anything controversial about

690
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Speaker 1: Andy over the last couple of years.

691
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Speaker 2: He's not, He's not ingratiated himself to a lot of

692
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Speaker 2: these players.

693
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Speaker 1: I think the arey don't necessarily trust.

694
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Speaker 2: That he's gonna do right by him, do right by

695
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Speaker 2: him necessarily. And and now I think if there's stipulation's

696
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: right to say, Okay, I'm happy to come on it,

697
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Speaker 2: but I don't want to. I don't want you asking

698
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Speaker 2: me about this, and I don't want you to ask

699
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: me about or or I have full control over what

700
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: goes out, But then you don't know, right, shit gets leaked,

701
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: stuff gets said, somebody will say something.

702
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: This is what he said on the pod. We didn't

703
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Speaker 1: release it.

704
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Speaker 2: I mean, just yeah, it's if I were any Murray,

705
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: I would hang out with my kids and my wife,

706
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: and UH play golf, play golf and be funny because

707
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: that's what he's doing on my own terms and uh

708
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: playing a lot of golf.

709
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Keep it moving.

710
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: So but it is really funny to sort of Nick's

711
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: uh sort of claims it relevance seemed to be the

712
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: further away we get from him playing professional tennis, a

713
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: little bit more desperate.

714
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Speaker 1: I don't know, the whole thing is here. He's going

715
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Speaker 1: to be in New York, Yeah, being in the Garden Cup,

716
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: I believe December eighth. Yeah, the last one wasn't very good.

717
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: So maybe this I mean, you know, look, I got

718
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Speaker 2: to tell you, you know when I when I look

719
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Speaker 2: at it as an overall picture, I just it's he

720
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: I feel like.

721
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Speaker 1: And Nick will never agree. Nick will never admit this,

722
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Speaker 1: and maybe we get him on this podcast and ask

723
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Speaker 1: him this question. Long for an interview with Renee Stabbs.

724
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: But I just feel like in twenty years time, he's

725
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: going to look back on his career and he's going

726
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: to regret a lot of things. And if if if

727
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: if if it's exactly right, if if it doesn't exist,

728
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: like if does not exist?

729
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: Put in the work, you didn't you got the results

730
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: who didn't you can always you know, there's honor and

731
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: leaving it all out there and come, but there's not

732
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Speaker 2: a lot of honor.

733
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Speaker 1: And you know, look, look he got he got injuries.

734
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: There's no question that he had. You know, it was

735
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: a terrible risk injury. And someone who like someone who

736
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: knows what that feels like. I had a risk injury

737
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: and was out for nine months and it really derailed

738
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: my singles career, team dominic, team, bench del Potro. I

739
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: think it's the worst, for sure, the worst injury a

740
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: tennis player can have. If you can't hit the tennis ball,

741
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you can't play tennis. You know, of course every injury

742
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: is bad, but you know, I would argue to say

743
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: that a risk injury is the worst injury you can

744
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: have as a tennis player. But you know, if you

745
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: don't put the work in enough week in and week

746
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: out and you sustain it like a Novak Djokovic has done,

747
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: and like Rufa did, and Roger and you know, Serena

748
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: and all these people. The reason why they were great

749
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: is because they work hard every single day and they

750
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: didn't take a day off. And greatness comes with the

751
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: most incredible work ethic and it's really hard. It's really

752
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: hard mentally to be out there on the tour for

753
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: twenty plus years, like you know, the greats of the

754
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: game have done. It's mentally draining. It's why these players

755
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: are pulling out left and rights, why we've been asking

756
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: about changing the calendar and tennis has changed. Like I

757
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: literally sit and watch some of these matches, Caitlin, and

758
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, these points are going for like thirty forty

759
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: seconds minimally, you know, we're talking like some of these

760
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: points are going for like a minute.

761
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: If you watch old YouTube videos, it's so comical.

762
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, how different. Yeah, and it's not the faults of

763
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: thirty forty years ago.

764
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: And there's a lot to love about the old day

765
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: of playing, but clearly, but it's a different game, this

766
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: different game overall. Point is absolutely correct, which.

767
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Is just saw a guy who wasn't even in qualifying

768
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: beat the greatest player of all time and win a

769
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: Master's one thousand and he played college. Yes, Like the

770
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: level is of all the players has gotten so much better,

771
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: and these players are so good. I mean I was

772
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: watching the match in particular against Novak, even in the

773
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: second set, I mean, it was incredible points and the final,

774
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: like they were battling like twenty thirty forty ball rallies.

775
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Even when I was watching the women's like Jessica Pagoula

776
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and sable Anca and like Coco and I mean, they

777
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: were playing like fifty ball rallies. It was insane and

778
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: barely breathing. Like literally, there was one.

779
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Point that Sabalaninka try to hit a twin out was

780
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: the dumber shot she could ever hit and actually didn't

781
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: end up costing her in that particular.

782
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: I respect that particular, but I was like, what the

783
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: hell is that? But like just played like a forty

784
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: ball rally and was barely breathing. I'm like, these players

785
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: are so fit. They put in so much hard work.

786
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: So if you want to be great, if you wanted

787
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: to be great, Nick Carros, you had to put in

788
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: the work week in and week out for years and

789
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: years and years, and you build layers of fitness and

790
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: build layers of ability to have a hang in there

791
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: in the big moments. And you were you great to

792
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: beat Roger Rafa and Novak. And there are the players

793
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: that can say that, no, yeah, wait to go unbelievable room.

794
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: But man I swear in twenty years time, he's gonna

795
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: look back and go, you won't ever admit it in public. Yeah,

796
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't think, Yeah, but I think to himself in

797
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: the mirror. And I heard this on my favorite podcast

798
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: of all time right now is Amy Pollack. Good hang,

799
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: but agreed to good hand. Kristen Wigg said, you know

800
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: what I used to do, look at myself in the mirror.

801
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: And you look at yourself in the mirror and tell

802
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: yourself because you can't lie to yourself, right. And so

803
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: she would like look in the mirror and like say

804
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: the things that she needed to say to herself. And

805
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: they can posit whatever eations or you got to get

806
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: your sit together. You got to stop thinking because you

807
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: cannot lie to yourself in the mirror, right. And so

808
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: Nick needed to look at himself in the mirror and

809
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: be like, what could I be doing better? Yeah?

810
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: Or or or let me address what actually this is,

811
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: which is probably a little bit of fear.

812
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you know, listen, go back on the podcast

813
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: that I've talked. We've talked about this at length. So

814
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: much of it came from his childhood. I think so

815
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: much of it came from him being bullied as a kid, sure,

816
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: growing up at Australia as a you know, a person

817
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: of color in a very country sort of town. Inch

818
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: in Canberra. It's our capital, but it's you know, it's

819
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: not like Sydney or Melbourne. And I think he was

820
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: bullied to as a kid, and I think that really

821
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: made a difference in his life to how he thought

822
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: about things. So I don't know. I think he's in

823
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: unbelievable case study for what could have been and he

824
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: is the ultimate if if if if if if.

825
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: Let's end on a positive note, which is we are

826
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: going to be making some changes at the POD. I

827
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: think we're going to try to be filming these and

828
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: we're going to be doing some live events. Yeah, more

829
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: to come on that front. Will have some very exciting announcements,

830
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: especially for people who live or travel to New York often,

831
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: because that is obviously we're we're beast. What do you

832
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: want to hear from us? What do you want to

833
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: see from us? What should we talk about? Give us

834
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: some good end of the year topics, especially before Renee

835
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: heads down south for Australia, and we'll try to finish

836
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: the year with a bang, because it's been a really

837
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: good one. We've had amazing it's been a bang every year.

838
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: We're different Grand Slam champions on the women's side, crazy

839
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: amazing Grand Slam champion and not like random, no great

840
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: keys after spending two decades on the tour basically and

841
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: getting her made in the Slam in the most deserved fashion,

842
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: unbelievable eagish fiantec her least favorite surface. Nobody said she

843
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: could even make it basically like a final, much less

844
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: win one wins Wimbledon. We've got the French Hoko winning

845
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: the French and oldest, which you know, it just everything

846
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: was amazing. And then on the men's side we have,

847
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, really a dialogue of two people, and the

848
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: tournaments have been unbelievably good. And you know, obviously as

849
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: tennis always provides us with amazing storylines, we've had those

850
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: in spades. So drop us a line. You know, Renee's

851
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: on Twitter, were on Instagram to give us some messages.

852
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Let us know and we'll be back in your ear

853
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: to start looking towards the very last chapter of the

854
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Speaker 2: year and also end.

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Speaker 1: On a how note, And you know what I think

856
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: would be fun for everyone out there, because the USTA

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Speaker 1: implemented that mixed doubles, new thing, and then the strain

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Speaker 1: opens to do in their one point for a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: You should get down there, Caitlin, you have no win. Ugly,

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Speaker 1: get that serve and volley.

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Speaker 2: It makes you think I'm gonna win, Ugly, slide that forehand,

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Speaker 2: and my whole thing is losing.

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Speaker 1: Pretty like, how fun is that? For a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Alcoraz has already said he's doing it. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: any player that's a good, decent player could win a

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Speaker 1: point against a great player if they get lucky right.

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Speaker 1: You could hit shank a ball, you could like hit

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Speaker 1: a neck chord, like it's possible. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always said, if I were ever to play one

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Speaker 2: of the game's great it's like a serena. I'm just

871
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Speaker 2: going to try to to tree. You know what I

872
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Speaker 2: would do. I'm not trying to get in a rally.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you all a little hint out there.

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Speaker 1: This is what you should do if you're an amateur player.

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Speaker 1: Serve under arm, Seriously, serve under armed. Just chuck it in. Sure,

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Speaker 1: they had to have to run forward, they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to eat it, and you might hit a passing shot.

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Speaker 1: A lot. It's possible. So anyway, my point in saying

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Speaker 1: this is that it's interesting that all the majors are

880
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Speaker 1: starting to sort of try and one up each other

881
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Speaker 1: in these new different aspects of tennis. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I don't think Wimbledon's ever going

883
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Speaker 1: to do anything like that, but you know what, that's

884
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Speaker 1: kind of the unique thing. Yeah, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: Wimbledon need to start really thinking about how they're going

886
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Speaker 1: to grow, right because these other tournaments are making so

887
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Speaker 1: much money now trying to do these new implementations of

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Speaker 1: three weeks. I have a whole big idea, but I'll

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Speaker 1: save another praccast. Oh should we save that on for

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Speaker 1: next week?

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's the most glaringly off topic off

892
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Speaker 2: season idea. But I don't think Wimbledon should embrace not

893
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Speaker 2: their tradition, which is.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what they should do. Everyone should have to

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Speaker 1: serve in volley one time in their service game.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, one out of every serv and but that's

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Speaker 2: a great idea. Yeah, mandatory servant.

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Speaker 1: Play your tournament. Yeah, play one tournament, first to six games.

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Speaker 1: You have to serve and volley one time at least

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Speaker 1: one time. One time serve on your service game. I

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Speaker 1: just think they should expand the grass season and make

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Speaker 1: it a whole thing. That's what I think. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you and I love the love the grass, so do

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Speaker 1: best are not against that best service? Service?

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Speaker 2: Is that technically the same speed every week? So would

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Speaker 2: Zara be happy? Yeah, no, he'd be complaining as he

907
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Speaker 2: always does. Yeah, just give him something to complain about anyway.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, guys, thanks so much. We're off

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Speaker 2: to dinner here in New York, and thanks joining us

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Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 1: To you next week, you next week, babe,