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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to the Thursday edition of the Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I'm out here in Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas for shot show, Clay in home turf of Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and we have a lot to dive into with all

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Speaker 1: of you. Trump speaking of the World Economic Forum, some

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Speaker 1: interesting news there on economic matters. We will be discussing

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Speaker 1: that more on the Well. There's a Trump interview with

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity last night. He had some very interesting things

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Speaker 1: to say their exclusive interview. The Democrat media is still

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Speaker 1: scrambling not just for a message, but for relevance in

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Speaker 1: an era of Trump dominance that we are in right now.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest thing that has kicked off, and we

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Speaker 1: are just seeing so many components of this at once,

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Speaker 1: is the change in immigration policy that has allready hit

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Speaker 1: hard in a whole bunch of places, whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: areas of policy. ICE has arrested just shy of five

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Speaker 1: hundred illegal alien criminals. These are people that have histories

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Speaker 1: including sexual assault, robbery, drug and weapon offenses. They've also had.

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Speaker 1: This is all from Trump executive orders and decisions from

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Speaker 1: the top of the executive branch. ICE has changed their

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Speaker 1: official terminology to refer to those they rest from non

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Speaker 1: citizen I can't believe that was even the policy, while

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Speaker 1: it was to illegal alien. AOC is freaking out about

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Speaker 1: all of this, No big surprise there. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: some of that. New York Times says how labeling cartels

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Speaker 1: terrorists could hurt the US economy as a fascinating headline

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Speaker 1: that we will dissect from the New York Times class

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Speaker 1: how you tweeted about this, CNN is going to lay

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Speaker 1: off hundreds of employees post inauguration. Turns out, turning your

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Speaker 1: internetwork into a stop Trump entity and then Trump winning

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Speaker 1: is not good for business this time around, at least

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Speaker 1: it seems so far. But let's let's get into some

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Speaker 1: of this illegal immigration issue. I mean, there's I understood

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Speaker 1: people are saying stuff Clay right now, like, well, it's

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Speaker 1: only five hundred of these criminal legal aliens. They've done

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Speaker 1: these raids to go and get and I'm quite certain

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Speaker 1: that this is going to ramp up dramatically that once

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Speaker 1: the machinery gets in place and as they get going,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a ramp up process. Remember

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Speaker 1: Trump has only had his people in place, They've only

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Speaker 1: been you know, assigned their desks and and given their

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Speaker 1: so it's going to take some time to get this

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Speaker 1: up and where it needs to be. Well, you know what, Clay,

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Speaker 1: we can jump right to this because I know you

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Speaker 1: you had mentioned this one. There's a a an illegal

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Speaker 1: Haitian immage or an illegal alien. We got to see

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Speaker 1: the terminology change. It's it's because it gets stuck in

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Speaker 1: your head. Whateveryone's been saying for so long. A Haitian

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Speaker 1: illegal alien with seventeen arrests was picked up and this

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Speaker 1: was today on Fox Bill Malugan reporting, this is what

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Speaker 1: the guy said, as they're putting them in the back

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Speaker 1: of the car. I'm not going back to Haiti.

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Speaker 2: I mean no.

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Speaker 1: Biden, thank Obama for everything that he said for the phone.

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Speaker 1: Thank Obama for I mean sorry, thank Biden, he said

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Speaker 1: Obama too. Thank Biden for everything that he did for me.

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Speaker 1: As the serial criminal offender is put in the back

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Speaker 3: It could not be better for the Trump team to

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Speaker 3: the last supporters on Biden Island, so to speak. And

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Speaker 3: he's put in the car again. Seventeen arrests illegally here

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Speaker 3: from Haiti. The very definition of who should be deported,

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Speaker 3: Trump and many of you out there are saying, this

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Speaker 3: is exactly what we voted for. Take illegal, violent criminals

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Speaker 1: Five hundred counters. Yeah, so that means that includes people

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Speaker 3: I think this is a big part of his early success.

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Speaker 3: Remember how every time anybody said anything in the Trump

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Speaker 1: Now this also goes to the change in sentiment that

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Speaker 1: is on his way to being deported. But the American

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Speaker 1: that Biden's remember in the first Trump term, it was

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Speaker 1: build the wall to prevent more illegals from coming in.

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Speaker 1: The focus was stopping the next phase of illegals. It

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Speaker 1: the main chant, the main focus immigration policy was we

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Speaker 2: There's been a massive shift from when Trump was first

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Speaker 1: Look at where we are now, this.

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Speaker 2: Was taken at the end of last year, fifty six percent.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely correct, Yes, and what we see happening right now,

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Speaker 3: And I think again it demonstrates just how much Trump

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Speaker 3: birthrights citizenship case that's going to advance to the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Trump has issued a birthright citizenship executive order, you couldn't

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Speaker 3: But Democrats are now because of the positions they have

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Speaker 3: very often in the history, Buck, of American politics.

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Speaker 1: Part of the huge shift here is that there are

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Speaker 1: see that on certainly them, but men and women's sports issue.

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Speaker 1: I think you see it on immigration as well. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just a It's like an entire

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Speaker 1: You know, imagine if you took I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: Prepare if there is any errant deportation, they are going

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Speaker 3: to cover it at MSNBC and the New York Times

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Speaker 3: And this is the very illustration of dishonest reporting, because

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Speaker 3: to try to find anecdotal reporting is fine, but the

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Speaker 3: anecdote should illustrate a larger picture problem, not be the

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Speaker 3: what we've seen happen with the way the legacy media

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Speaker 1: It's an evidence. The old media game was every illegal

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Speaker 1: know a navy seal you know whatever, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just some kind of superhero has crossed the border.

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Speaker 1: They always act as though one individual story should somehow

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Speaker 1: dictate the policy. No, the policy is about numbers and

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a process. It's going to take years,

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Speaker 1: no matter what. And this is where I've believed all along, Clay,

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Talking a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it gives you a sense of how important abortion

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. We've got some breaking

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Speaker 1: news for you, not unexpected, but still breaking news. Federal

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Speaker 1: Judge h John Cogan hour. That's a tough one. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to say that one. Clay, John c

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Speaker 1: Coogan Hour has let me see side it with the states. Basically, here,

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Speaker 1: the Trump executive order on birthright citizenship has now been

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Speaker 1: hit by a judge who says it is an constant,

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Speaker 1: blatantly unconstitutional. You've also had twenty two states, along with

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Speaker 1: activist groups, filing lawsuits to halt the so called order.

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Speaker 1: They say it violates the Fourteenth Amendment. This was US

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Speaker 1: District Court for the Western District of Washington State. This

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Speaker 1: guy's a Reagan appointee, and he has said that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this has been blocked, so temporarily blocked. This was to

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Speaker 1: be expected. And here here's where this is going to go.

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Speaker 1: It's going to go to the Supreme Court. I think

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Speaker 1: we all know that that's the plan. Just to be clear,

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Speaker 1: there's no surprise here. This is actually the process. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is what they were hoping the response would be,

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Speaker 1: or I shouldn't say hoping what they knew the response

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Speaker 1: would be. And now it'll make its way up to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Clay, It's it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people who disagree with

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Speaker 1: Trump Trump's execsutive order on this issue, they think this

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Speaker 1: is just going to get swept aside by the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: and that this is all it's all so clear. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the problem. The amendment in question, when you look

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Speaker 1: at it, has what is effectively a redundancy with the

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Speaker 1: subject to the jurisdiction thereof clause. And when you understand

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Speaker 1: the history of these kinds of laws and the way

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Speaker 1: citizenship has worked in many, many other countries, they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to explain why they would add the subject,

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Speaker 1: Because if it's just you're born here, you're good, why

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Speaker 1: do you have to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because you're all right. If you're on us soil,

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Speaker 1: of course you're subject to us jurisdiction at some level.

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Speaker 1: That point of again, those who agree with you and

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Speaker 1: me on what should happen here, that point of redundancy

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Speaker 1: in the amendment is is what's going to get so

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Speaker 1: much focused because you are subject to the jurisdiction of

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Speaker 1: your actual nationality while in the United States, and that

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Speaker 1: would be a conflicting, a conflicting jurisdiction. So this is

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Speaker 1: where the issue I think becomes very much more complicated

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Speaker 1: and a closer affair than a lot of people realize.

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Speaker 1: So quick synopsis of where we are.

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Speaker 3: Trump says birthright citizenship is not in the constitution. This judge,

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Speaker 3: without reading his order, I'm sure, is saying it is.

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Speaker 3: And the dispute, and this is going to sound like

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Speaker 3: super legal nerd, as you just laid out, comes down

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Speaker 3: to the fourteenth Amendment. And the reason that language is

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Speaker 3: in there is because when Abraham Lincoln ended slavery with

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Speaker 3: the Emancipation Proclamation, slaves were not considered citizens of the

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Speaker 3: United States in full sum total. Remember, for those of

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Speaker 3: you who are history nerds, the three Fifths compromise in

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Speaker 3: terms of how to count population for purposes of representation,

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Speaker 3: as a part of the congressional battle, as part of

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Speaker 3: the constitutional battles, all of those different things are going

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Speaker 3: to come into play, and there are going to be

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Speaker 3: two different aspects. I'm telling you a preview of how

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Speaker 3: this is eventually going to play out, not only in

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Speaker 3: the district court, but also on the Circuit court and

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Speaker 3: then on the Supreme Court. There's going to be an

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Speaker 3: argument between people who say, okay, what was the original

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Speaker 3: intent of this amendment when it was put in place

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Speaker 3: in eighteen sixty ratified in eighteen sixty eight ish, whatever

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Speaker 3: year that was, and then there are others that are

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Speaker 3: going to say, well, as it's been applied since then,

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Speaker 3: we're not looking at the original intent. We're considering the

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Speaker 3: larger circumstances surrounding it. And that is going to effectively

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Speaker 3: be an argument over what exactly it means. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know how this is going to play out. I'm

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Speaker 3: fascinated by it. Let me give you a hypothetical, Buck,

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer. Some of you may be

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Speaker 3: scholars in this field. What happens the subject to the

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Speaker 3: jurisdiction of Let me give you a hypothetical, Buck.

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Speaker 1: You may have some idea on this.

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Speaker 3: If you are here living and working at an embassy.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you are Russian and you are here in

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Speaker 3: the United States, and you are part of the staff

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Speaker 3: at the Russian embassy. And while you are here as

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Speaker 3: one of those workers at the Russian embassy, you have

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Speaker 3: a baby in the United States. Is your baby a

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Speaker 3: United States citizen? I don't know. Maybe some of you

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Speaker 3: have experienced this. Obviously, it doesn't have to be Russia.

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Speaker 3: It could be Venezuela, it could be Brazil, it could

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Speaker 3: be China. Because technically there's an argument that you are

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Speaker 3: still a citizen of another country.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: There are there cases on this. This is one of

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Speaker 3: the things that I'm fascinated by.

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Speaker 1: The you this is very interesting, and keep in mind

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Speaker 1: that this is where this becomes more Again. I think

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Speaker 1: people who a lot of people think of this as

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Speaker 1: just an open and shut thing because it has been

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Speaker 1: this way, so it will always be this way. I

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Speaker 1: think I think that they are wrong if you are

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Speaker 1: the children of like like, let's let's say the Russian

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Speaker 1: ambassador to the US has a kid living in the

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Speaker 1: United States as the ambassador, you know, his wife, who

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Speaker 1: is also on the on the diplomatic list. There's these

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Speaker 1: sort of clear designations of who is a you know,

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Speaker 1: a a duly duly registered and uh and recognized diplomat.

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Speaker 1: That child is not a US citizen, Okay, But if

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Speaker 1: you are not a technically on the DIP list, the

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Speaker 1: diplomat list, and you are staff in the consulate, I

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Speaker 1: believe the way it has gone is like the so

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Speaker 1: the like lower level person working at the Russian embassy

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Speaker 1: that's not technically a diplomat, they have a child here,

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Speaker 1: that child is treated as a US citizen.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of what sensus, and I don't know how

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Speaker 3: the implication that's that's fascinating if true. And let me

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Speaker 3: give you the opposite right and some of you have

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Speaker 3: probably experienced this who are listening to us right now.

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Speaker 3: If you are married or have a baby on a

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Speaker 3: base in South Korea or a base in Germany stationed

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Speaker 3: while being an American overseas, your child is not a

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Speaker 3: citizen of South Korea or Germany. Those countries don't convey

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Speaker 3: citizenship based on birthright location. Now that's a little bit different,

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Speaker 3: maybe because of the military service. But let's say that

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Speaker 3: you went overseas and you're living in Japan and your

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Speaker 3: wife gets pregnant there, and you guys have kids in Japan.

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Speaker 3: Your kids are not Japanese. It's very hard to become

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Speaker 3: a Japanese citizen. In other words, birth tourism or just

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Speaker 3: births that happened to happen because of jobs, do not

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Speaker 3: convey citizenship most of the places around the world.

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Speaker 1: Remember that there are thousands and thousands of birth tourism

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Speaker 1: cases that happen in the US every year. It's illegal,

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Speaker 1: and the companies and the people involved in this can

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Speaker 1: be federally prosecuted for enabling this. But if the judge,

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Speaker 1: let's say this judge in Washington State, if what he

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Speaker 1: says is actually the law, and remember this has never

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Speaker 1: been ruled, tot's say it's blatantly unconstitutional. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: has never ruled on this. That has not actually happened.

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Speaker 3: They have not No one has ever tried to say

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Speaker 3: birthright citizenship is not legal as Trump is doing to

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Speaker 3: promote provoke this is what he's doing, provoke a constitution

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Speaker 3: examination and challenge. This is the intent. Yes, And a big.

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Speaker 1: Part of this is, you know, you can fly here

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Speaker 1: from uh, you know, Chile or Bangladesh or wherever in

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Speaker 1: a day. Right. It's a very different thing when you

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Speaker 1: think about when these laws were under consideration. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: something that people nobody was going to come here for

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Speaker 1: a few weeks from Shanghai to happen. Like if they

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Speaker 1: came here, they were staying here. Back when these you know,

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Speaker 1: you go back before you know, mass commercial air travel

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Speaker 1: changed a lot. That's that's one part of this. But

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Speaker 1: the other part of this is, if this federal judge

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Speaker 1: in Washington is correct, somebody who comes here from Beijing

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Speaker 1: and their cases of exactly this happening. This isn't just

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Speaker 1: some wild hypothetical. Somebody who comes here from Beijing for

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Speaker 1: the explicit purpose of staying in a bird tourism hotel

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, gives birth to their child here in

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Speaker 1: the US, goes back to China with their child, raises

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Speaker 1: them until they're you know, eighteen years old, and then says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I want my US passport. Now my child is a

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Speaker 1: US citizen, the same as all of you Americans, the

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Speaker 1: same rights, the same everything. I demand this Now. If

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Speaker 1: that judge in Washington is correct, then this person, this

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Speaker 1: you know, this hypothetical both but it happens all the

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Speaker 1: time of the Chinese national whose parents are Chinese nationals

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Speaker 1: gets to say, well, now, this is a US citizen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that. I don't think that anybody

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Speaker 1: looks at that and says that makes sense. I also

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Speaker 1: think that anybody looking at people who come across the

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Speaker 1: their asylum claim is turned down because they were lying.

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Speaker 1: But they had a kid in the interim of the

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Speaker 1: year or two or whatever it is, they waited for

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Speaker 1: their asylum hearing. They have a US citizen child. Now

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. How does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. And let me just tell you

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Speaker 3: how this is going to go. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: coincidental that the first judge to strike this down is

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Speaker 3: in a blue state. I think this is calculated.

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Speaker 1: I uh.

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Speaker 3: This will then lead to the Ninth Circuit taking this

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Speaker 3: case up. The Ninth Circuit is going to I'm just

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Speaker 3: telling you how it's going to go. The Ninth Circuit

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Speaker 3: is going to say that Trump's birthright citizenship order is unconstitutional. Now,

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Speaker 3: there may be so called circuit conflicts. That is, I

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Speaker 3: live in Tennessee in the Sixth Circuit, and that is Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio,

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Speaker 3: among other states. I used to know this way better

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Speaker 3: when I did the bar exam, and the Sixth Circuit

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Speaker 3: may well have a different interpretation. There will probably you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get confused, many of you, because there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: so many headlines about so many different rulings. Different circuit

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Speaker 3: courts will have different perspectives. That conflict will then lead

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Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court, and ultimately the nine justices of

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court will decide what the fourteenth Amendment means

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Speaker 3: in the context of birthright citizenship. Now, there are a

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Speaker 3: lot I was talking about this with my wife last night,

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Speaker 3: super exciting conversation in the Travis household.

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Speaker 1: She's also a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that has to be applied here

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Speaker 3: is Buck, what do you do about all of the

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Speaker 3: people that have been granted birthright citizenship already? So this

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Speaker 3: would have to be a forward looking process, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you could take away citizenship from people

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Speaker 1: who currently have citizenship, and I would not think that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. And I think that that's too I

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Speaker 1: think that that's unfair, that's problematic. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: could do that, but I do think you need clarity

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Speaker 1: on this going forward.

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Speaker 3: I agree the challenge is then people will have equal

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Speaker 3: protection because if you had citizenship granted and you were

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Speaker 3: born in twenty twenty three, and then the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: comes down with a ruling and you were born in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, the people born in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 3: are going to sue and say they have an equal

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Speaker 3: protection claim. Again, that's just where.

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Speaker 1: But again, the contatutes change, and you don't get to

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Speaker 1: say you know, if something is made illegal that wasn't

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Speaker 1: illegal before, you don't get to say, well, you know

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Speaker 1: you guys change, you know, you see what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: like that there can be changes, totally understand.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm just saying this is going to be a

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Speaker 3: multi year battle. I give Trump credit because I think

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Speaker 3: he's right on it, and I think it's an important action.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is not something for people out

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Speaker 3: there who think that it's like a light switch, like

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Speaker 3: you flip it, and it's like this is going to

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Speaker 3: go on. The challenges to this for multiple years, and

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Speaker 3: I don't have a strong take on exactly how how

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Speaker 3: they're going to be able to handle. I think it's

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Speaker 3: one of the this is I always like to say,

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Speaker 3: this is a perfect law school hypothetical, and law school

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Speaker 3: exams are basically they give you a bunch of hypotheticals

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Speaker 3: and you have to analyze it, and nobody knows exactly

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Speaker 3: what the right answer is until those nine justices ultimately

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Speaker 3: render their opinions, which I can't wait to read.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll see if you have thoughts on this one.

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Speaker 1: By the way, love to take your calls on it.

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Speaker 1: It's a very important issue. It's going to It's a

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Speaker 1: very contentious issue, but it really goes to whether America

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Speaker 1: Because if our law requires that you can game the

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Speaker 1: system and get away with it, it makes a mockery

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Speaker 1: of the whole thing, doesn't it? And what does it

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Speaker 1: mean to be a citizen in the world that we

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. As we know, the

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Speaker 1: breaking news from this hour is that a federal judge

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Speaker 1: in Washington has stopped Trump's executive order for now on

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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship. Very important issue going to take a long

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Speaker 1: time for this to be resolved. It's going to require

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Speaker 1: a lot of wrangling in the courts and in the

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Speaker 1: court of public opinion too. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of arguing about this. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: calls lighten us up. Also some VIP emails coming in.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to get some of your calls now, Mike in Augusta, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: you have an interesting experience you want to tell us about.

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Speaker 1: Go for it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was in the Navy station in Athens, Greece.

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Speaker 8: I'm a retired chief and I met my wife there.

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Speaker 8: She's British. There was no way that she was going

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Speaker 8: to have kids down there. She went to go home

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Speaker 8: and had the children. So she goes home July of

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Speaker 8: eighty nine, as the girl Scember of ninety has a boy.

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Speaker 8: We go to leave and they give us both birth

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Speaker 8: certificates American and British. I don't know if the British

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Speaker 8: one was a souvenir, but does kids have two birth certificates?

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Speaker 1: So now your wife is British, right, so that would

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Speaker 1: make sense. Well, this is what I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: is that is that that makes sense? From the subject, Mike,

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Speaker 1: your military abroad your subject to u CMJ and the

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction of the United States clearly, So that's of course

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Speaker 1: your child born abrable you're deployed, is an American and

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Speaker 1: your wife being British and having her child in the UK.

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Speaker 1: You know, people can have dual citizenship. We know this,

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Speaker 1: so that to me it has there. So does your

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Speaker 1: your kids have two birth certificates? Couldn't they get an

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Speaker 1: EU passport though?

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Speaker 3: I assume so, yeah, certainly, certainly they could get an

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Speaker 3: EU passport. In fact, some countries are very lenient in

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Speaker 3: granting EU passports. For instance, you can pay like I

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Speaker 3: think several hundred thousand dollars in Malta will give you

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Speaker 3: a EU passport you can get You can even buy

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Speaker 3: dual citizenship in some of these countries. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean if if the kids applied, they could get a

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Speaker 3: British passport as well, because they're I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, their mom's British, so maybe assizens Yeah, okay, so yeah, Mike,

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Speaker 1: that all makes sense. Thank you. Do you have any

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this? You wanted to add, are you good?

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Speaker 1: I'll just let me know.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to hear about the experience thank you so much. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Susan in Ohio. This is interesting. Go ahead, Susan. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you were, you were a PI and you you have

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Speaker 1: some interesting experience on this issue. Go for it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I've been licenses here in Ohisle for over thirty years.

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Speaker 7: I have a client in Taiwan and up until about

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Speaker 7: four years ago, they had me collecting medical records in

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Speaker 7: California on the women that were flying in from China

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Speaker 7: to give birth. They didn't stay for a month. They

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Speaker 7: would come when they were like eight and a half

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Speaker 7: months pregnant. Right, they would stay for a month after

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Speaker 7: delivery and then go back home. And that is considered

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Speaker 7: a citizen. And when they're eighteen, they can come back

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Speaker 7: and bring their family with them.

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Speaker 1: Right. That's another part of it that's very important that

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Speaker 1: I left out of this is that then the US

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Speaker 1: citizen child sponsors the whole family, which is why the

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Speaker 1: birth tourism thing is so worthwhile. I said, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get your passport and you can you know, you're

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Speaker 1: an American citizen, you can go to you know, cal

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Speaker 1: Berkeley in state tuition whatever. You Then it's kind of

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Speaker 1: the the wow. Yeah, I mean, this is this is

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Speaker 1: the the ways that people are scamming the system Susan.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I did. I get over eighty cases. And

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Speaker 7: with the insurance company in China was really upset because

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Speaker 7: these people would come here. They're not allowed even to

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Speaker 7: fly after seven months, and they would they would hire

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Speaker 7: a company there in China. They would make the arrangements

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Speaker 7: about where they were going to stay well, at the hospital,

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Speaker 7: they'd go to the doctor and everything. They paid thirty

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars these companies in China. And then they would

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Speaker 7: come and they would see a doctor once a week

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Speaker 7: for maybe two or three visits and pay the doctor's

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Speaker 7: twenty five hundred dollars cash. They would go to the hospital.

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Speaker 7: The average two day bill was forty eight thousand dollars

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Speaker 7: and they would plead poverty, so they would pay five

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars and the people in California had to pay

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Speaker 7: the rest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 3: And this is super important, Buck, because he goes to

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Speaker 3: when I say they're going to have to analyze the

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Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment. Remember in eighteen sixty eight, you couldn't just

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Speaker 3: decide when you were, as the caller just said, when

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Speaker 3: you were eight months pregnant.

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Speaker 1: This is what I meant about the planes. You can't

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Speaker 1: you can't get here eight and a half months pregnant

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Speaker 1: from Shanghai. Come here for a few weeks and go back.

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Speaker 1: You know, a steamship was a big deal.

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Speaker 3: The idea of intentionally coming for a short period of

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Speaker 3: time to have a baby after you were already pregnant

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Speaker 3: was not technologically feasible when the fourteenth Amendment was passed.

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you from my time at the

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Speaker 1: border and with border patrol, with this asylum, with these

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Speaker 1: so called they're fake asylum cases by those people are

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Speaker 1: eighty ninety percent of them or total scams on the

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Speaker 1: asylum system. But a lot of pregnant, eight months pregnant

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Speaker 1: women showing up at the US Mexico border from all

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Speaker 1: over the world for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And look, the other thing here to say is

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Speaker 3: we create the incentive. You can't get upset at people

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Speaker 3: for taking advantage of the incentive that you created. It

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Speaker 3: is acting as a magnet. We say this, but it's important.

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Speaker 3: There are two reasons why people come here. One is

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Speaker 3: our economy is better than any in the world because

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Speaker 3: of its historical embrace of capitalism and whatever salary you

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Speaker 3: make here is way more than the average person could

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Speaker 3: make in Venezuela. So the poor person here is living

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Speaker 3: far better than the poor person in almost any country

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Speaker 3: in the world. So economic incentive is real. And I've

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Speaker 3: always said this, Buck, A lot of you out there

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Speaker 3: listening to us right now. If you could make ten

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Speaker 3: x your salary, if you went to Mexico, a lot

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Speaker 3: of you would go to Mexico. And if you could

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Speaker 3: make ten x your salary, if you went to Canada,

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Speaker 3: a lot of you would go to Canada. Economics, a

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Speaker 3: lot of you will change states if you can make

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Speaker 3: more money, If you can make twenty percent more money, Right,

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Speaker 3: economic concentives are real.

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Speaker 1: But part of this, also, Clay, is that. And I

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Speaker 1: think there's been an awakening among the American people, in

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Speaker 1: particularly even on the right, about this. What makes America

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Speaker 1: America's the American people. It's not just this piece of land,

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Speaker 1: It's not just an economic zone. It is we, the

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Speaker 1: clan people. There is something about americanness, how we do things,

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Speaker 1: what our culture is, the way that we operate, our

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Speaker 1: history are ties to each other and to this country.

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Speaker 1: All of that, I mean, it is an incredibly complicated

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Speaker 1: and incredibly powerful thing. And to cheapen it by just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a free for all. Anyone could show up.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who gets here is the same everyone. You know,

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Speaker 1: obey our laws, don't obey our laws. Have a kid

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Speaker 1: here for a week, and then go back to China

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Speaker 1: and then come back later with the whole family and

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Speaker 1: say you're Americans too. People are tired of this, and

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Speaker 1: they also recognize that if it continues, this will not

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Speaker 1: be America, this will be another country. Some smaller European

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Speaker 1: countries have figured this out the hard way. You know,

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Speaker 1: is Sweden really Sweden if it imports a million refugees

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Speaker 1: and a half a million Syrian refugees and they don't

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Speaker 1: learn the language, they don't share the culture. That well,

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Speaker 1: Sweden's only got ten million people. And the refugees are

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Speaker 1: having a much larger, faster, you much faster family growth

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Speaker 1: than the natives are. Guess what your country starts to

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Speaker 1: be a different place. And people feel that here in

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Speaker 1: America and they're tired of it.

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Speaker 3: Correct, And that is one is the draw economically. The

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Speaker 3: second one is the one that you can control. Now

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Speaker 3: you can put more security at the border and try

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Speaker 3: to restrict in gressigress all those things which we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Second one, though, is birthright citizenship and it needs to be,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, removed. Now we'll see what the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court is going to say. I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: federal district courts are going to disagree with me, some

905
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Speaker 3: circuit courts are going to agree, some are going to disagree,

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Speaker 3: But ultimately it's going to come down to the nine

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Speaker 3: men and women sitting on the Supreme Court. Here's the

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Speaker 3: question my wife asked, which is a good one? Your

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Speaker 3: point is, I think a very solid one, Buck, because

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Speaker 3: what it old leads to is, if what you argued

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Speaker 3: isn't true, why do countries have borders at all?

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Speaker 1: Why do we have countries?

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Speaker 3: I mean why, why not just one big map and

914
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Speaker 3: people can just go anywhere they want in the world.

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Speaker 3: What is the significance of a border? What is the

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Speaker 3: significance of a cultural choice of a country?

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Speaker 1: We have borders? And this gets to some This gets

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Speaker 1: to some some deep, uh foundational issues of patriotism along

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Speaker 1: with nationality. You know, this came up recently with the

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Speaker 1: and it was on the right that this debate was happening.

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Speaker 1: With H one B visas and how it is largely

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Speaker 1: now abused and a scam, and some people didn't seem

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Speaker 1: to know that, and they got very mouthy about H

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Speaker 1: one B visas publicly without understanding what was really going on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at core issues of patriotism,

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Speaker 1: if if this country was invaded by a foreign doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what the country is. If this country, if someone

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Speaker 1: you landed on the shores of New Jersey or California,

929
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Speaker 1: all of us listening, the guys who were listening were

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Speaker 1: military age and gay gals who were listening, if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to, we would be called upon to fight, to

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Speaker 1: possibly die for this place. That's something that I don't

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Speaker 1: think people take into account enough on some of this

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Speaker 1: illegal immigration stuff like oh, just show up, get your stuff,

935
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Speaker 1: don't learn the language. You can kind of do whatever

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Speaker 1: you want, come and go as you please. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about the birth poorism scam. The people who are here

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Speaker 1: love this place and would die for it. That's not

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Speaker 1: something that should just be cast aside as some kind

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Speaker 1: of a joke because people want to feel good about themselves,

941
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Speaker 1: because they want to pretend that the whole world could

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Speaker 1: come here and it's still America.

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Speaker 3: I would love to just also ask the question of

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Speaker 3: people who were making this argument, in addition to why

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Speaker 3: do we have borders in the first place, what number

946
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Speaker 3: would be too many? They're seven billion people in the world.

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Speaker 3: I've based in that for years because there's never to

948
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Speaker 3: get them.

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Speaker 1: Clay, we take a million legal legal, and quite honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think that number is probably too high. That's a

951
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Speaker 1: whole other conversation. Now for for Biden, we've been paying,

952
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Speaker 1: we've been and by that that's not you know, people

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Speaker 1: go all but don't you Yeah, lots of immigrant friends.

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Speaker 1: That's not the point. The point is we're setting policies

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Speaker 1: for the future, to define what our future is a

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Speaker 1: country will be, and we have to have lines. We've got,

957
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, the same reason to have a country, You've

958
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Speaker 1: gotta draw lines on a map. There's something arbitrary about

959
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: all of this. But if we don't hold it together

960
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: and believe in it, then it all falls apart.

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Speaker 3: And there are seven billion people in the world. How

962
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: many of those people wish they were American? Four billion,

963
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: five billion?

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Speaker 1: See here, here's how many of them wish they could

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Speaker 1: be in America and get the benefits of being here. Bill,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple billion. I mean, you would of

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Speaker 1: them really want how many of them want to believe

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00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: in the Constitution, how many of them want to earn

969
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: our language? By the way, I think Trump should push

970
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: for the national language to be English. I don't know

971
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Speaker 1: why this isn't higher on the radar, And this is

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Speaker 1: something I'm sensitive to in South Florida. By the way,

973
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Speaker 1: everybody who's here should be able to speak English. There

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Speaker 1: should not be ballots in New York City in fifteen

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Speaker 1: different languages or twenty different languages co creat I mean,

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Speaker 1: what I would vote in New York. I'm like, I

977
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Speaker 1: don't even know what I mean. There's there's like Sanskrit,

978
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Speaker 1: there's tie. I mean, there's stuff that you're like, well,

979
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Speaker 1: what is this? The national language should be English? You know,

980
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: we are a country that is held together by ideals

981
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: and ideals and our laws and our history. That shouldn't

982
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Speaker 1: be something that we're shy about and promoting for the

983
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Speaker 1: next generation. But Clay showing up here and getting welfare

984
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Speaker 1: and talking about how like racist or badist country is

985
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Speaker 1: all the time? Is that a I mean, even coming

986
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: here illegally that makes you an American?

987
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 8: Now?

988
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: Now you're an American, but also I don't sign on

989
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 3: My argument is that or legal immigration, we should be

991
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: benefiting off of the people that we're bringing in. That is,

992
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: we bring in highly skilled legal immigrants who have a

993
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: lot of assets that they can provide to the country.

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Speaker 3: You know, the analogy I've used is like, you know,

995
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Speaker 3: these should be the lottery picks, the NBA draft lottery

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Speaker 3: picks of the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: That's nice, should be less than I don't know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I could get the real that that the reality is

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Speaker 1: that and I agree with you on that sentiment. That's

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Speaker 1: less than ten percent of the legal migrants we're taking in.

1001
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 1: It's almost all chain migration via people who are we're

1002
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Speaker 1: just talking about they sponsor the rest of the family.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Canada has done this thing for the

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Speaker 1: last ten years of oh we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: points based system. Everything has gotten worse economically in Canada

1006
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: while that's been going on. Everything has gotten worse. Also,

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Speaker 1: they just didn't justin.

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Speaker 3: Trudeau just announced like three weeks ago that they were

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Speaker 3: ending all immigration after cutting.

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Speaker 1: Back the immigration dramatically, because it's a massive failure because

1011
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: the points system, you know, it doesn't work the way

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00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: they have it set up. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: But I would just love I mean, I would love

1014
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Speaker 3: to hear somebody say, what's the right number? Should we

1015
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: have four hundred million new Americans? Like, what is the number?

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Speaker 3: Where Elizabeth Warren would say, oh, no, no, no, that's

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Speaker 3: too many. Well, why what is the why that you're

1018
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Speaker 3: going to draw this election? Answer that question?

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Speaker 1: With ten million plus legals in four years is too much? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's too much the American at least.

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Speaker 3: But I would love to hear what Elizabeth Warren would say.

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Speaker 1: To call you a racist, Clay, go play your flute.

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