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Speaker 2: This is Hasus Leo Nardos, Algado, Ramos.

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Speaker 2: Hasus didn't personally know anyone who was killed or hurt

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Speaker 1: They reopened and they renovated everything in the walmart after

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Speaker 1: It has the names of Arturo Navidez, who is described

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Speaker 2: Near the plaque, there's a thirty foot tam on dedicated

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Speaker 1: That time we thought that it Basa was going to

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Speaker 2: That day didn't just impact the victims, It changed Hissus's

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Speaker 4: From Futuro Media and PRX, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria

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Speaker 4: Noojosa today, Guns, Latinos, activism and the November twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: election coverage, The Latino Factor How We Vote Latino USA.

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Speaker 4: Producer Rinaldo Leanos Junior and I teamed up to report

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Speaker 2: Hey Ray, Hey Maria. Yes, that's right. We went to

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Speaker 4: Back to Uvalde to follow up on our past reporting

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Speaker 2: Absolutely for Latinos and Latinas, the right to bear arms,

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Speaker 2: The Center for American Progress reported that Hispanics are twice

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Speaker 4: And just this year, the US Surgeon General declared gun

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Speaker 4: I know Ray that you've done some reporting specifically about

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Speaker 2: Hold land, you know, that's right, Maria, and I like

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Speaker 4: For example, in Nuvalde, are also gun owners.

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Speaker 2: Texas has more registered guns maria than any other state

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Speaker 2: Right when we're talking about gun control activism, we should

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Speaker 1: I remember once we went to the movie theater. We

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Speaker 2: Is this conversation about gun reform? And is this an

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Speaker 1: You know what, I feel like we care, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: we don't know what to do with that passion that

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Speaker 1: dangerously low.

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Speaker 2: Becasus is right. Only about half of registered voters in

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Speaker 2: Elbaso voted in the twenty twenty presidential election cycle. Across

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Speaker 1: Did I think people hear an Ibaso care, but there

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Speaker 1: very scary time for us here. They care because we're

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Speaker 2: Unidos US is the country's largest Hispanic civil rights organization.

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Speaker 2: They found that gun violence is the number four issue

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Speaker 8: On gun violence and crime, the overwhelming concerns for Latino

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Speaker 2: That's Gladisa Martineze Gastro. She's vice president of the Unidos

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Speaker 2: US Latino Vote Initiative.

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Speaker 8: Latino voters believe that guns are too easy to access,

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Speaker 2: According to any of those US, Latino voters also want

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Speaker 2: secure entry check and IDs for schools, gun reforms like

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Speaker 8: This really raises the need for candidates and parties to

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Speaker 8: pay greater attention to this issue, which sadly that is

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Speaker 4: When we come back, Rinaldo continues in Elbaso, we'll talk

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Speaker 4: to more people there about how guns have sparked their

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Speaker 6: Stay with us not. Yes, Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 4: And when we left off, our producer Renardo Lanos Junior

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Speaker 4: spoke with Activistjsus Salgado Ramos about his relationship to gun

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Speaker 4: violence and to political activism, and coming up, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: But first we're gonna meet a mother in Elbaso who

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Speaker 2: was also thrust into gun safety advocacy. Yeah, it's so

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Speaker 2: windy today, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Do the winds like last all day? Usually are like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm with Mindy Levanos. She's thirty eight years old. Today

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Speaker 2: she's wearing a bright red shirt and some denim jorts.

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Speaker 2: we try to find a place to talk. We're at

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Speaker 5: We have attended a lot of events here, and we

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Speaker 2: The we she's talking about is Mom's Demand Action. It's

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Speaker 2: an organization that advocates for policy changes to curb gun violence.

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Speaker 2: Mindy is currently the leader of the Albaso chapter of

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Speaker 2: Mom's Demand Action. After the Walmart shooting, they partnered with

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Speaker 2: other local organizations to pay tribute to the victims who

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Speaker 2: were killed. The event was held at this park and Antondo.

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Speaker 9: We will never forget Javier Amir Rodriguez.

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Speaker 6: We will never forget Angie and Lusby.

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Speaker 2: Mindy brought her kids with her today. She had three

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Speaker 2: the playground. Mindy stares at them from afar. Her kids

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Speaker 3: What's your name?

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Speaker 2: First of all, Andy? Andy is a little shy in

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Speaker 3: How old are you? Andy? Nine?

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Speaker 2: Mindy says her kids have a general understanding of the

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Speaker 10: She takes care of us and it makes me happy.

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Speaker 3: Oh what does mama do?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 12: What mama does?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 12: What does mama do you?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: No, besides being a stay at home lock, when I

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Speaker 5: go with Mom's demand, what do I do with that stuff?

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Speaker 5: What do I fight for?

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Speaker 12: No more gun?

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Speaker 2: That's not technically what Mindy does, but it's kind of close.

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Speaker 2: She sees herself as someone who is committed to combating

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Speaker 5: I did not get involved until I had my own children.

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Speaker 2: Mindy knew about horrible mass shootings that took place across

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Speaker 2: the country, but the twenty eighteen shooting in Parkland, Florida,

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Speaker 2: changed things for her. Seventeen school children and staff were

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Speaker 5: My heart was just broken because I had a baby

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Speaker 2: After hearing the news, Mindy went to her son's preschool

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Speaker 12: My eyes were swollen. I've been crying. I'm talking to

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Speaker 12: the teachers like can you believe it? Did you see that?

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Speaker 5: And I remember she telling me we do drills here too,

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Speaker 5: And I was like, what do you mean. He's three

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Speaker 12: We have to practice.

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Speaker 2: Mindy says she never had to do these types of

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Speaker 5: Then she said they would hide it behind her desk

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Speaker 2: When it was finally her son's turn to participate in

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Speaker 5: We asked him, how do you feel, and he said

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Speaker 5: he was scared. He said that he didn't know what

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Speaker 2: The drills became even harder for Mindy to manage when

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Speaker 5: To school, and my second one, he got scared because

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Speaker 5: the principle was going around making sure doors were locked

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Speaker 2: Now she's worried about her third child. He's five years

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Speaker 5: He's going to have to experience a big drill too,

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Speaker 5: with noise and everything, and I'm nervous for him because

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Speaker 12: But it breaks my heart that my kids have to

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Speaker 2: These active shooter and lockdown drills became more frequent after

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Speaker 2: the Columbine shooting in nineteen ninety nine. As of last year,

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Speaker 2: thirty seven states across the country require public schools to

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Speaker 2: do active shooter drills. Entire generations are experiencing this as

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Speaker 5: We should be more upset, especially as moms. No one's

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Speaker 5: going to fight harder for our kids than we are.

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Speaker 2: Mindy first signed up for text message alerts with the

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Speaker 2: National Mom's Demand Action Organization in twenty eighteen, and then

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Speaker 2: the following year, in twenty nineteen, they created a local

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Speaker 2: On August third, twenty nineteen, she was with the group

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Speaker 5: After the shooting, and it just took a more personal

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Speaker 12: We're brown, My kids are brown.

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Speaker 5: I'd never bought of us as different because down here

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Speaker 2: After the shooting, Mindy and Mom's Demand Action held local

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Speaker 9: Activists already in Washington, d c rallied at the White

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Speaker 9: Nearly two thousand Moms Demand Action leaders are already attending

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Speaker 2: And Mindy campaign for Democrat Betho O'Rourke when he ran

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Speaker 1: Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR fifteen, your

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Speaker 3: You're not going to allow it to.

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Speaker 2: Be used against fellow Americans anymore. It's why Mindy supported him.

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Speaker 2: But a Rooric stands on firearms didn't sit well with everyone.

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Speaker 2: So what is your response to, you know, maybe that

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Speaker 5: I support the Second Amendment. I think everyone should have

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Speaker 5: an assault rifle?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 12: Do we need or an assault rifle to protect your family?

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 5: Assault rifles are more commonly used to murder a bunch

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Speaker 2: Along with an assault weapons ban, Mindy supports gun control

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Speaker 2: policies such as red flag laws. If someone presents a

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Speaker 5: Then the most important part is they get them back.

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Speaker 5: So if someone is having suicidal thoughts, you remove that

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Speaker 12: Rest of their lives.

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Speaker 2: Mindy is also in favor of secure storage laws.

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Speaker 5: Where parents have to secure their weapons and not give

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Speaker 5: show them how to unlock it, because that saves lives,

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Speaker 5: and I think we need to be a little more

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Speaker 2: People in this movement see these types of recommendations as

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Speaker 2: but not everyone agrees.

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Speaker 13: They're just trying to throw stuff out in hopes of

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Speaker 3: But it's not going to happen. I'm sorry, man.

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Speaker 2: Gun owners like George are sympathetic but skeptical.

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Speaker 13: What do I think could change or put a dent

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Speaker 2: George is also from Elbaso. He sees guns as a

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Speaker 2: sport and as a form of self defense.

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Speaker 13: When people start talking about gun control gun reform, I

446
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 13: don't think they are educated enough on that subject. I

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Speaker 13: think the opinion is based on all the rest of

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Speaker 13: the people's opinions that they're hearing.

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Speaker 2: George has concerns with policies that affect gun owners. For example,

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Speaker 2: red flag laws came up in our conversation.

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Speaker 13: So while I agree to a certain extent about a

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Speaker 13: red flag law, it has to be redefined. I just

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Speaker 13: know that however they do it, it's got to be

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Speaker 13: fair to that person to make sure that you're not

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Speaker 13: infringing on their Second Amendment right. I don't want government

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Speaker 13: telling me I cannot have a firearm to protect myself.

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Speaker 2: George says his main concern is someone making a false

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Speaker 2: report to the police that would result in the gun

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Speaker 2: owner's firearms being taken away. That said, as of March

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Speaker 2: of this year, twenty one states and DC currently have

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Speaker 2: red flag laws in place, and there's no data that

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Speaker 2: shows George's concerns are actually happening. But there's a common

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Speaker 2: thread throughout George's rational when it comes to gun reform

464
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Speaker 2: government overreach. One thing he talked about was his worry

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Speaker 2: about universal background checks.

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Speaker 13: By having a roster of Americans that have weapons, now,

467
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Speaker 13: the government knows who you are, where you live, and

468
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Speaker 13: they can at any time they want come and pop

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Speaker 13: in and question you, maybe take your guns away if

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Speaker 13: you've done something maybe you've done something wrong, or maybe

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Speaker 13: they alleged that you've done something wrong.

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Speaker 2: There's no public data that confirms George's concerns, but he

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Speaker 2: does acknowledge that there is a problem with mass shootings

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Speaker 2: and other acts of gun violence. George believes that the

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Speaker 2: real problem is the people, not the guns.

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Speaker 13: It's not the gun that did the killing. I have

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Speaker 13: to go over there, pick it up, load it, and

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Speaker 13: put a bullet in you for it to kill you.

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Speaker 13: It's not going to do it muchself.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard this argument from other people who

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Speaker 2: are also avid defenders of our Second Amendment rights, but

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Speaker 2: experts have pushed back against this train of thought. A

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Speaker 2: study out of the School of Public Health at Harvard

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Speaker 2: found that states with higher levels of household gun ownerships

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Speaker 2: also had higher rates of homicide. There are a lot

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Speaker 2: of gun owners living in Texas. About forty five percent

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Speaker 2: of adults in the state say they live in homes

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Speaker 2: with guns. So I wanted to better understand how gun

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Speaker 2: owners think about and use their guns, and see how

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Speaker 2: they handle these weapons that can turn deadly in the

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Speaker 2: blink of an eye. So I tagged along with Joe

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Speaker 2: George and we went to the desert just outside of Albaso.

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Speaker 2: He's going to show me where he and his friends

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Speaker 2: go out to practice their shooting.

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Speaker 13: We always have contests to see who buys the beers

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Speaker 13: afterwards afterwards, not as I said afterwards.

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Speaker 3: So we set up different games.

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Speaker 13: From a simple game of you take five rounds or

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Speaker 13: six rounds and you try.

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Speaker 3: To hit the X.

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Speaker 13: The object is to hit the X that's center mass.

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Speaker 13: I don't know how much that's going to hold.

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Speaker 2: George is hammering steaks into the ground to get a

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Speaker 2: shooting target to stand up straight because it's very windy today.

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Speaker 2: George was born and raised in Texas. His relationship with

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Speaker 2: guns started decades ago. When he was a kid. His

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Speaker 2: parents gifted him a BB gun and he loved to

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Speaker 2: play with it. He would shoot cans or shoot at

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Speaker 2: the sidewalk, and as an adult, he's really upgraded from

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Speaker 2: that BB gun.

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Speaker 13: I brought a hard case and I brought a soft case.

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Speaker 13: So the hard case has an AR fifteen irregular normal

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Speaker 13: AR fifteen. The other one is an it's also an

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Speaker 13: AR style, but it's a twenty two calibers.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's knowledge about these guns is extensive and well researched.

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Speaker 2: He believes that one of the main ways to combat

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Speaker 2: gun violence falls on gun owners themselves, so he's very

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Speaker 2: serious about gun safety.

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Speaker 13: You need to You've got to make sure that you

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Speaker 13: treat all guns as if they're always loaded, always, no

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Speaker 13: matter what. Never point your gun at anything you are

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Speaker 13: not willing to destroy.

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Speaker 3: What do you know? You see it? Wow, you want

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Speaker 3: to try it? I don't know.

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Speaker 13: What's your reservation about it?

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Speaker 2: As the sun begins to set over the beautiful Elbaso Desert.

527
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Speaker 2: There's hues of yellow and orange spilling across the sand.

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Speaker 2: George and I pack our things into the car and

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Speaker 2: drive back to his home. As we're driving, I asked

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Speaker 2: George what we can do better across the political spectrum

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Speaker 2: when we talk about guns and gun reform.

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Speaker 13: I would love to have a solution to some of this,

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Speaker 13: But I don't, you know, it's not like you know, Oh,

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Speaker 13: I love my guns, you know, I just want to

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Speaker 13: have it, and I don't care what you think.

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Speaker 3: It's no, it's not like that, man. It's to me,

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Speaker 3: it's a tool. It's you have to learn the basics

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Speaker 3: about it. You have to learn safety training.

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Speaker 14: So when when I come across people that don't want

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Speaker 14: to have that discourse, I'm like, just keep thinking the

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Speaker 14: way you're thinking, I said, and know that anytime you're

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Speaker 14: in a room with me, you're in the safest place

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Speaker 14: on this planet.

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Speaker 2: You know, as I said earlier, the data shows that

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Speaker 2: more guns doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a lot safer.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad that I was able to speak with

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Speaker 2: George and talk to him about what his ideal relationship

548
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Speaker 2: with guns looks like he does in many ways remind

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Speaker 2: me of his South. And they all care about their community.

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Speaker 2: They stand strong on their beliefs, and they also are

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Speaker 2: willing to listen and speak with the other side. And

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Speaker 2: most importantly, they share a passion for safety, even though

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Speaker 2: it might look radically different for each of them. Mindy

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00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: wants to keep raising awareness about gun violence, but there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of intense feelings when it comes to

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Speaker 2: guns and some unexpected nuances. It's something she is now

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Speaker 2: experiencing firsthand as a mother.

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Speaker 12: So my kids love pretending to play with guns.

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Speaker 5: They make them out of legos, they make them with

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Speaker 5: their fingers like their typical little boys, and my little

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Speaker 5: girl follows them.

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Speaker 2: She asked a friend who owns guns for advice.

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Speaker 5: And he told us to tell the kids to treat

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Speaker 5: them like their real weapons, because guns are not toys.

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Speaker 2: And she made some rules.

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Speaker 12: You know, if you have a water.

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Speaker 5: Gun, that's fine, but you cannot shoot anybody that does

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Speaker 5: not have a water gun. And if they have like

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Speaker 5: a NERF gun or so, they're not allowed to shoot

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Speaker 5: at people. They have to shoot at cans or targets

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Speaker 5: or something like that.

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Speaker 12: So we tell them, are you going to shoot your brother?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 12: Okay, well then please don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Mindy says she never imagined that she would have that

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Speaker 2: conversation with her own children, but she's glad they're talking

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Speaker 2: about it because gun culture is real. Her kids just

578
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Speaker 2: aren't going to live in a world without guns, at

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Speaker 2: least now right now. But Mindy is hopeful it can

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Speaker 2: be a safer world.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's going to be slow, and it's hard.

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Speaker 5: It's it's sad fighting for this in Texas. It's it's

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Speaker 5: really hard. But I mean we're gonna keep going. We're

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Speaker 5: going to keep fighting. Like Shane Wats always says, a

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00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: it's a marathon, and so we keep going.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people who can relate

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Speaker 2: to Mindy, especially because the leading cause of death for

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Speaker 2: chills and teenagers in this country is death by firearms.

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Speaker 2: And I think this ties directly to another tragedy that

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Speaker 2: happened almost three years after Elbaso, and that's Uvaldere.

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Speaker 4: That's right, And when we come back, dear listener, I

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Speaker 4: traveled to Uvalde, Texas, where twelve year old Caitlin Gonzalez,

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Speaker 4: a survivor of the massacre, and her mom, Gladys, are

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Speaker 4: also advocating for gun reform despite living in the deep

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Speaker 4: red state of Texas. Stay with us, no maayas.

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Speaker 6: Hey, we're back.

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Speaker 4: And when we left off, we heard from my colleague

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Speaker 4: Renaldo Lenoz Junior about how after the Elbaso mass shooting

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Speaker 4: people were moved to activism, people who had never done

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Speaker 4: that kind of activism before.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's something that we've seen kind of play

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Speaker 2: out across the country with almost every mass shooting that

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Speaker 2: seems to happen. And I think one of the most

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Speaker 2: recent places Maria where we've really seen this unfold is Uvaldere.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and I reported on that shooting together

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two for Latino USA and then you

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Speaker 2: did a deep dive investigation in twenty twenty three for Frontline.

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Speaker 4: Over the last year, Futuru Investigates has spoken in Uvalde

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Speaker 4: with more than a dozen people about the tragedy, the aftermath,

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Speaker 4: and their grieving. So there are certain stories, certain people

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Speaker 4: that change my life and stay with me forever as

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Speaker 4: a journalist, and for me, it turns out that Uvalde

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Speaker 4: has become one of those stories. Rob elementary parents a

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Speaker 4: phone call is for you please know at this time

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Speaker 4: Bland Elementary is under a LAS downstatus due to gunshots.

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Speaker 6: In the area.

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Speaker 2: And you recently went back to Valde.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I went back to follow up with some of

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Speaker 4: the people who I met in our reporting, and you know, Ray,

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Speaker 4: I also went back because I wanted to see the

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Speaker 4: continuation of our original reporting and how it's unfolding, because Uvalde,

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Speaker 4: which is majority Latino and Latina, has in fact become

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Speaker 4: mobilized around gun violence and gun reform. So this spring,

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Speaker 4: I took a plane to San Antonio and then I

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Speaker 4: got into a car to drive about another hour and

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Speaker 4: a half even further south into Texas, all to get

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Speaker 4: back to Uvaldi. And the first thing you see when

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Speaker 4: you're pulling up is it was not there a year ago,

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Speaker 4: which is like a huge poster size cutout of Matthew

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Speaker 4: McConaughey in full color. So that's just like, Hi, Matthew

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Speaker 4: McConaughey is from Uvaldi.

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Speaker 6: Don't you ever forget it.

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Speaker 4: The Hollywood actor Matthew McConaughey is from Uvaldi. He's actually

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Speaker 4: been pretty vocal about gun reform since the mass shooting here,

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Speaker 4: and every time I drive into Uvaldi, I'm faced with

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Speaker 4: this very particular mix of emotions because this is what

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Speaker 4: it looks like to be on the front lines of

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Speaker 4: this particular issue of gun violence, and it matters, especially

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Speaker 4: during the cusp of a critical election season.

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Speaker 6: And literally.

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Speaker 4: Four hundred feet behind that, the next sign you see

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Speaker 4: that is massive is a Trump twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Four sign that was also not here a year ago.

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Speaker 4: It has been more than two years now since the

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Speaker 4: shooting at rob Elementary where nineteen kids and two teachers

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Speaker 4: were killed. And of course, the second I say that,

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00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 4: the oasis comes into view, and it's there at the

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Speaker 4: oasis that the shooter picked up his weapon. So a

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Speaker 4: lot of things have stayed the same in Uvaldi, right,

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Speaker 4: But a lot of things have also changed since the shooting,

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Speaker 4: and changed since I was just here a year ago.

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Speaker 4: For example, Kimberly Matta Rubio, whose daughter Lexi Rubio was

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Speaker 4: killed in the shooting, decided to run for mayor of Uvaldi.

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Speaker 1: I didn't always know I was ready to run for mayor,

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Speaker 1: but my husband reminded me I could do this because

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Speaker 1: I'm Lexi's mom.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm ready to lead, and I'm asking for your vote.

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Speaker 4: Kimberly ended up getting about thirty three percent of the

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Speaker 4: vote's cast, but she lost the mayoral race.

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Speaker 11: Overnight, she conceded the Uvaldi mayor's race, but promised to

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Speaker 11: continue fighting for stricter gun laws and her daughter's honor.

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Speaker 4: And There has been a lot of investigation into the

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Speaker 4: shooting by the United States Department of Justice and other agencies.

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Speaker 4: A report was released earlier this year year from the DOJ.

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Speaker 11: The department's review concluded that a series of major failures,

666
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Speaker 11: failures in leadership and tactics and communications, in training, and

667
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Speaker 11: in preparedness were made by law enforcement, lawyers, and others

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Speaker 11: responding to the mass shooting at rob Elementary.

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Speaker 4: That's the voice of US Attorney General Merrick Garland at

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Speaker 4: a press conference delivering the results of that five hundred

671
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Speaker 4: and seventy five page report into what happened in Uvaldi.

672
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Speaker 4: Then this past June, a Uvaldi County grand jury indicted

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Speaker 4: two Uvaldi School District police officers for their delayed and

674
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Speaker 4: botched response the day of the school shooting, because though

675
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Speaker 4: they were heavily armed and there were a lot of

676
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Speaker 4: cops over three hundred, they did nothing for seventy seven minutes,

677
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Speaker 4: so that some of what's happened politically, but it's important

678
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 4: to remember that there is a lot of life in

679
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: this city and it continues and it flourishes.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 4: It takes me back to a year ago when I

682
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Speaker 4: was in Uvaldi and we ended up watching this girl's

683
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Speaker 4: little league game that was taking place, and it felt

684
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Speaker 4: so idyllic Americana, And right there in the middle of

685
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Speaker 4: it all in her softball uniform was Caitlyn Gonzalez, a

686
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Speaker 4: survivor of the massacre, but right then she was going

687
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Speaker 4: for the home run. Caitlyn lost a lot on the

688
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 4: day of that massacre, but at the same time, she's

689
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 4: this blossoming twelve year old and over the past year,

690
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Speaker 4: I've stayed in touch with her and her family. The

691
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Speaker 4: news when we got there is that Caitlyn has moved

692
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Speaker 4: beyond just softball and now she's focusing on being yes,

693
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Speaker 4: a Texas cheerleader.

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Speaker 10: Sorry you that you do, ask your son.

695
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Speaker 4: And it was so beautiful to see because when I

696
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Speaker 4: was reporting here a year ago, you might remember when

697
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Speaker 4: I first met Caitlyn Well, I had a lot of

698
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Speaker 4: trouble with her, trying to get her to open up.

699
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Speaker 6: In the middle of our interview.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Oh, okay, okay, are you tired?

702
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Speaker 4: No, She's giving me a very hard time with this interview.

703
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Speaker 4: This was one of the most difficult interviews I have

704
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Speaker 4: ever done, and it's because I could see that something

705
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 4: really deeper was going on with Caitlyn. I could see

706
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: all of the symptoms of PTSD.

707
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Speaker 6: And while all of.

708
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Speaker 4: This was going on, Caitlin was becoming a prominent gun

709
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Speaker 4: safety activist in her town, in the state of Texas

710
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Speaker 4: and across the country.

711
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Speaker 15: If a law enforcement's job is to protect and serve,

712
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 15: why didn't they protect and serve my friends and teachers

713
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Speaker 15: on May twenty.

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Speaker 4: Four And over the past year that activism from Caitlin

715
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: has intensified. She has shown up at protests, she went

716
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Speaker 4: to campaign events for Kimberly Matarubio during her mayoral run,

717
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Speaker 4: and Caitlyn has actually led several student walkouts protesting gun violence.

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Speaker 4: What activism is actually a long part of the history

719
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Speaker 4: of Uvaldi. In the nineteen seventies, this is where one

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Speaker 4: of the longest student walkouts in American history took place.

721
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Speaker 4: But it has been a thing to witness what has

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Speaker 4: happened to Caitlin and her family. Could we be seen

723
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Speaker 4: a wave of young Latinos and Latinas leading gun reform

724
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Speaker 4: activism in this country and in this election year. So

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Speaker 4: as I pull up to Flores Elementary where she now

726
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Speaker 4: goes to school, I spot Caitlyn and.

727
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Speaker 6: Her mom, Gladys Hi Kitlyn, and we end up hugging

728
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Speaker 6: and laughing.

729
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Speaker 4: She's grown a lot taller and her long, almost black

730
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 4: hair now is almost down to her waist. Sat. Yeah,

731
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Speaker 4: we're going to take you to your house, and then

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Speaker 4: we drive off to the family's home. I didn't realize

733
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Speaker 4: that Flores is literally just down the street from your house.

734
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Speaker 4: Do you walk to school? No?

735
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Speaker 2: No.

736
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Speaker 4: When we get to their house, Caitlyn immediately wants to

737
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Speaker 4: show me her bedroom.

738
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Speaker 6: Because of course she's twelve, changed it all up. I

739
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Speaker 6: think it makes more sense like this, Caitlyn.

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Speaker 4: Now, this is the place where, for a year after

741
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Speaker 4: the shooting, Caitlyn shared her bed with her mom. This

742
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Speaker 4: is also the room where there are photos everywhere of

743
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Speaker 4: her bff, Jackie Gasarez, who was killed on the day

744
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Speaker 4: of the mass shooting. But Caitlyn really wants to show

745
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Speaker 4: me about how she has rearranged her entire bedroom, kind

746
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Speaker 4: of to let me know it's not a little girl's

747
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 4: bedroom anymore. It's a preteen girls bedroom now.

748
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Speaker 3: Look, and then I have my chaired uniform for cam.

749
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Speaker 4: Caitlyn wants to get out of her school clothing, so

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Speaker 4: I step outside for a moment to talk with her mom.

751
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Speaker 6: Gladys in the living room. Two years in, how.

752
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Speaker 4: Are you feeling about where things are at? Being here,

753
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Speaker 4: staying here? You too suffered from post traumatic stress.

754
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Speaker 15: I thought, I'm at a good point knowing the things

755
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 15: that I know, knowing that mental health does matter, And

756
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Speaker 15: I think it's one of those things that we have

757
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 15: to remind ourselves daily, the importance of seeking help when

758
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Speaker 15: we need to. But it's all in God's timing and therapy.

759
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Speaker 15: Oh and therapy as well. Therapy has been ongoing. She's

760
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Speaker 15: now seen a music therapist.

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Speaker 4: When I last saw Caitlyn, she had been receiving EMDR

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Speaker 4: therapy outside of UVALDI up in San Antonio because it

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Speaker 4: wasn't offered in Uvaldi. Em DR stands for Eye movement,

764
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Speaker 4: Desensitization and reprocessing. Gladys Caitlyn's mom, says she now does

765
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Speaker 4: EMDR only as needed.

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Speaker 15: Of course, there are some triggers here and there, but

767
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Speaker 15: nothing like before, like this past week in her she

768
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Speaker 15: had a sleepover at a cabin for her birthday party,

769
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Speaker 15: and so it happened to be thundering, So the thunderstorm

770
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Speaker 15: kept her up at night. Those are just occasional triggers

771
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Speaker 15: that have been on going. But she's able to self

772
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Speaker 15: soothe herself, and she'll tell me, Hey, mom, so this

773
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Speaker 15: scared me, and so we'll just talk about it.

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Speaker 4: I am glad to see that Caitlin is continuing to heal.

775
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 4: But through it all, Gladys tells me that she sees

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Speaker 4: this kind of lingering sadness in her daughter. She says,

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Speaker 4: it's not just in her daughter, it's in the whole town.

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Speaker 4: When you think about your town and the politics of

779
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Speaker 4: the town, what do you hear in terms of what

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Speaker 4: people are talking.

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Speaker 15: About from the most part, From what I'm gathering, as

782
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Speaker 15: people are still wanting answers and demanding change, whether it's

783
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Speaker 15: in the state or federal level. And so I, like

784
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Speaker 15: the rest of the parents and families, hope that one

785
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 15: day we can find a common ground and for the

786
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Speaker 15: better of our community, you know, be civil each other

787
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Speaker 15: because it's a small town and so we have to

788
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Speaker 15: interact with one another.

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Speaker 4: One afternoon in Uvaldi, I went out into the city

790
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Speaker 4: and I spoke to a few people across town to

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Speaker 4: try to get a better understanding of their thoughts about

792
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Speaker 4: this election and the changes they'd like to see, if

793
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 4: any related to gun reform.

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Speaker 6: Will you be voting?

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Speaker 16: I still haven't decided.

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Speaker 5: I voted last time, okay, and that was like my

797
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: first time ever because I normally decide like I just

798
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Speaker 5: I just stay out of it.

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Speaker 4: Are guns a major issue for you in anything that

800
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: you vote on right now?

801
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Speaker 6: Is that a major.

802
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Speaker 12: Issuer me personally?

803
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Speaker 4: No? Do you wish that guns and gun safety was

804
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Speaker 4: an important issue for the people of Uvalde to come

805
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: out and vote?

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Speaker 2: Is yes?

807
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Speaker 5: And what?

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Speaker 6: And what would you say to them about why this

809
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 6: matters to you?

810
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Speaker 3: What would you say?

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Speaker 16: Probably you'd be more careful who they sell too. I

812
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Speaker 16: mean guns are important hearing vout because there's a lot

813
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Speaker 16: of honting, but they don't keep them safe from children,

814
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Speaker 16: and not one of those supporters. Some people don't want

815
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 16: to vote because they don't listen to them, And we

816
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Speaker 16: want the Congress to hear us on gun safety and

817
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Speaker 16: gun laws and the age limit.

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Speaker 6: Will you plan on voting in the elections. I don't

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Speaker 6: vote because nothing never changes around there.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the issue of gun violence. It's

821
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Speaker 4: pretty easy for people in this country to feel disillusioned

822
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 4: because there seems to be a mass shooting almost every day.

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Speaker 4: President Joe Biden did sign the bipartisans Safer Communities Act

824
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, which made changes to school safety

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Speaker 4: programs and gun control laws. Biden also created the first

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Speaker 4: ever White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. But some

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Speaker 4: of these efforts are not necessarily translating to every Americans,

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Speaker 4: and that in part is creating some voter apathy. Some

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Speaker 4: of these same conversations around gun violence are being had

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Speaker 4: between Caitlin and her mom platdys So are you guys

831
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Speaker 4: talking politics? Is Caitlyn bringing it up? Does gun policy

832
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 4: come up? Or is it completely separate.

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Speaker 15: As far as politics is concerned. I try to remain

834
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Speaker 15: neutral here and there showmake comments about the gun control

835
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Speaker 15: and they need to ban assault weapons and they only

836
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Speaker 15: belong in the military. And I'll hear her conversating with

837
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Speaker 15: my husband, and so it'll be conversations here. Kids her

838
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Speaker 15: age are pretty much music style, and so I guess

839
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Speaker 15: it would be safe to say It's unusual for a

840
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 15: girl her age to talk about politics, but she has

841
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Speaker 15: in the past, so I respect that.

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Speaker 4: The thing is Caitlyn has become an internationally recognized activist.

843
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: She was on the front page of the New York

844
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Speaker 4: Times above the fold on the one year anniversary, and

845
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Speaker 4: so her visibility has grown, especially because she continues to

846
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Speaker 4: speak out against gun violence.

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Speaker 15: Sometimes I wonder if she realizes a magnitude that she's

848
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Speaker 15: brought upon herself. And as the adult, I always question myself,

849
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 15: am I doing the right thing by allowing her to

850
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Speaker 15: speak out? And so one of the things that I

851
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Speaker 15: always made sure to ask her, Caitlyn, you don't have

852
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Speaker 15: to write. You know that you don't have to, And

853
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Speaker 15: so she would say, I know, Mom, but I want to.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just Caitlyn who's speaking out in Nuvaldi.

855
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Speaker 4: There are people like Jasmine Gasades. She's the older sister

856
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Speaker 4: of Caitlyn's best friend Jackie, and she's now speaking out.

857
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Speaker 4: Jasmine ended up testifying and advocating for gun reform in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two in front of Texas lawmakers.

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Speaker 10: Background checks are needed to protect innocent communities like mine

860
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Speaker 10: from being endangered by people who are unstable and signal

861
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Speaker 10: that they are threats. As I said, I'm here to

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Speaker 10: honor Jackie, her friends, their families, my family, and my community.

863
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Speaker 10: You can honor them too by passing gun safety legislation.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for their part.

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Speaker 4: Caitlyn and her mom Gladys are still really processing what

866
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Speaker 4: activism can look like in their life. Caitlyn, you know

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Speaker 4: you are only twelve years old, but you are known

868
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Speaker 4: as a really big and important activist.

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Speaker 6: You know that.

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Speaker 10: Well, people will say hi to me, who I've never

871
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Speaker 10: talked to my whole life, And I'm like, Okay, what.

872
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Speaker 4: Do you think about when you think about the activist

873
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Speaker 4: in you? Are you like, I'm going to do this.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to continue to do this from Muvalde it's fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, like, I don't want to do it for my

876
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Speaker 3: whole life.

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Speaker 15: If I get asked, I'll do it.

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Speaker 4: How do you see Caitlyn and her activism for gun safety?

879
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Speaker 4: Do you see this as something that is forever for

880
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 4: her or comes and goes, or.

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Speaker 15: We've made it a point for her to continue being

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Speaker 15: that child that she is, continue the activism in her time,

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Speaker 6: Does seem to be able to balance.

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Speaker 4: Very serious emotions things moments with total humor and kind

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Speaker 4: of joy and literally being a twelve year old kid.

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Speaker 15: And that's just been Katelyn. And it's you know, we

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Speaker 15: can be having a serious conversation and she'll make us

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Speaker 15: it's one of those things that you know, she's been

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Speaker 4: Before I leave Uvaldi, there's one more stop that I

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Speaker 4: need to make. It's a place, it turns out, where

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Speaker 4: both Caitlin and I feel at ease. There's a lot

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Speaker 6: We are going to the cemetery in Uvaldi.

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Speaker 4: People think that a cemetery is like a really scary

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Speaker 4: place to go, and every time I come here, I

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Speaker 4: have to say it is the most beautiful cemetery that

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Speaker 4: I have seen in the United States. Caitlin and I

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Speaker 4: are making our way to Jackie's cemetery plot. It's a

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Speaker 4: place where Caitlyn often comes to spend time with her BFF,

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Speaker 4: and she wants me to be there with her. Hey, Jackie,

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Speaker 4: thinking of you, and I'm so glad that Caitlyn brought

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Speaker 6: And we're leaving this incense for you.

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Speaker 3: I small the incense like my dad's cologne.

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Speaker 4: Caitlyn places the incense on top of Jackie's grave, and

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Speaker 4: as it burns, I'm thinking about how this cemetery has

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Speaker 4: been transformed into a place of life, not of death,

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Speaker 4: because I see all of the families coming here to

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Speaker 4: I have seen the community of Uvaldi make this cemetery

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Speaker 4: people of Uvalde can transform this place, then it's like

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Speaker 4: it can happen anywhere. Maybe the people of Uvaldi can

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Speaker 4: be a guiding light for how to do things better,

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Speaker 4: for how to fight for an end to gun violence,

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Speaker 4: for how to turn sorrow into possibilities of hope and joy.

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Speaker 4: And that gives me esperanza.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: This episode was reported and produced by Renaldo Leanos Junior

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Speaker 4: and myself. It was edited by Alexandra Salasad. It was

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Speaker 4: Padilla and to Texas Public Radio for their help with

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Speaker 4: and Nancy Trujillo. Our co executive producer is Penile Ramirez.

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