WEBVTT - The Jamboree in Jamba

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>A very strange meeting took place in June of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five. This was long before the days of email

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<v Speaker 2>and video conferencing. If you wanted to hammer out an agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>you had to get everyone in the same room. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>you could invite everyone to your office or rent a

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<v Speaker 2>conference room at the Marriott, But the attendees at this

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<v Speaker 2>meeting would have had a hard time booking flights to Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. So they settled on something a little less orthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>And they couldn't exactly just call up the men on

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<v Speaker 2>their invite list either. The logistics were going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a nightmare. Dana Rohrabacher, President Ronald Reagan's speechwriter, personally flew

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<v Speaker 2>to a safe house into Gusagalpa to hand deliver an

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<v Speaker 2>invitation to Adolfo Calero, leader of the Nicaraguan Contras. Anti

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<v Speaker 2>communist activist Jack Wheeler was in touch with the Mujahadeen

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<v Speaker 2>in Afghanistan and Laotian rebel leader Pauka Her and Grover

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<v Speaker 2>Norquist had plenty of contacts who could get him in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with Jonas Savimbi, leader of the Angolan Insurgent Force UNIDA.

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<v Speaker 2>Given the guest list, they had pretty limited options when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to finding a venue. State Department officials made calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Only two governments were willing to offer their public support

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<v Speaker 2>for such a summit, Israel and South Africa. Politically, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a minefield, so one of the attendees offered to host.

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<v Speaker 2>They could hold the meeting at the UNITA base camp

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<v Speaker 2>in the Angolan town of Jamba. American Assistant Secretary of

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<v Speaker 2>State for African Affairs, Chester Crocker arranged for the South

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<v Speaker 2>African military to handle security. It was all coming together.

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<v Speaker 2>With funding from the President of Right Aid, Jack Abramoff

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<v Speaker 2>was going to get the world's leading anti communists into

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<v Speaker 2>one room. I'm not sure this meeting accomplished much in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of advancing the Reagan doctrine. But at that rebel

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<v Speaker 2>base in southern Angola, Jack Abramoff reconnected with an old friend,

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<v Speaker 2>a South African military intelligence operative he'd first met on

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<v Speaker 2>a visit to Johannesburg in nineteen eighty three, and while

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver North met with armed men in the sweltering heat,

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff was brainstorming his next project and meeting with the

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<v Speaker 2>man who would fund it. Whether or not Jack Abramoff's

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<v Speaker 2>strange summit had any impact on the course of the

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<v Speaker 2>Cold Wars A question for someone else. I can only

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about the time the South African government secretly

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<v Speaker 2>paid an ambitious young American lobbyist to make one of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst movies I've ever seen. I'm Molly Conger, and this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is weird Little Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a side story. I really couldn't resist it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'll understand. I've been writing this story, this

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<v Speaker 2>story about Monica Huggett, about South Africa, about the Apartheid International.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been writing it for so long that I'm having

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<v Speaker 2>trouble letting it go, so I will try to wrap

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<v Speaker 2>it up next week. I know there are so many

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<v Speaker 2>other weird little guys I've promised to tell you about,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll get to them, but I've invested so much

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<v Speaker 2>in this story that I want to make sure I

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<v Speaker 2>end it properly. And I could tell I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have that this week. I don't talk a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>my personal life in public online because as an expert

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<v Speaker 2>on weird little guys, I really hate to think about

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<v Speaker 2>them thinking about my personal life. But I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to let you all in on this

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<v Speaker 2>one eventually. Anyway, I'm actually getting married in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks, and it turns out that having a wedding

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a whole ordeal. I'm not really the

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<v Speaker 2>arts and crafts type. I really would rather be watching

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<v Speaker 2>grainy videos of old Area Nations World Congress meetings than

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<v Speaker 2>making place cards and seating charts and trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how to do floral arrangements. But here we are. Nevertheless, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really lucky that I have a job where I

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<v Speaker 2>can just follow my heart and let my curiosity lead

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<v Speaker 2>me wherever we happen to end up. Because if I

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<v Speaker 2>have to write a seven thousand word research project every week,

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<v Speaker 2>my heart's got to be in it. And this week

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<v Speaker 2>I could not resist the siren song of a bad

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<v Speaker 2>eighties action movie. It was just too weird to only

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<v Speaker 2>mention in passing. It had to be its own episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as I was writing the conclusion to this long,

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<v Speaker 2>strange saga of Monica Huggett Stone, I had originally planned

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<v Speaker 2>to devote just a little bit of time to the

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<v Speaker 2>political connections of the far right in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>and the pro apartheid activist movements in South Africa. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrapping up my research connecting Monica to David

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<v Speaker 2>Duke's nineteen ninety six Senate run when I realized I'd

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<v Speaker 2>overlooked something massive.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just.

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<v Speaker 2>The likes of David Duke who were terribly interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the continuing success of apartheid. No, it wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 2>extreme fringes at all. There were large swaths of Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>Conservatives who were deeply embedded in this. The deeper I dug,

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<v Speaker 2>the more obvious it became that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>very big names in American conservative politics are tied up

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<v Speaker 2>in this story. Not with Monica, not directly. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a side story. But in the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>Sub Saharan Africa was a battleground in the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 2>and the South African government was a big player in

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<v Speaker 2>this perceived fight against Soviet influence on the continent. So

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<v Speaker 2>even as public discussed with apartheid complicated having open dealings

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<v Speaker 2>with the country, American conservatives saw South Africa as a

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<v Speaker 2>critical partner in the ideological struggle against communism. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into some more about those connections in the next episode,

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<v Speaker 2>because they continue into present day politics. In the time

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<v Speaker 2>it's taken me to write these episodes, that situation has

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<v Speaker 2>continued to evolve, and there's certainly some strange connections to

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<v Speaker 2>the past in the story of South African Ambassador Ibrahim

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<v Speaker 2>Razul's recent expulsion from the United States. But today we're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about Ibrahim Razul. We're talking about Red Scorpion,

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty eight action movie starring Dolph Lundgren. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we have to do a little background first. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not too proud to admit that when I started poking

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<v Speaker 2>around the edges of this story, I only knew enough

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<v Speaker 2>about Jack Abramoff to tell you that's that lobbyist who

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<v Speaker 2>got into trouble when I was in high school. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't really have to get into the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff is most famous for his two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 2>conviction for mail fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy to bribe

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<v Speaker 2>public officials. He did a little time in federal prison

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<v Speaker 2>for crimes he committed in connection to his work as

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<v Speaker 2>a lobbyist for Native American tribes seeking to influence legislation

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<v Speaker 2>on gambling. That happened later in his life. But I

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<v Speaker 2>did want to mention it because that's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>I knew about him, And I just want to reassure you,

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<v Speaker 2>yes that Jack Abramoff. And obviously you have to start

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in politics. You don't just find yourself in the

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<v Speaker 2>center of a web of corruption involving multiple sitting congressmen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 2>And Abramoff got his start in politics in college, working

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<v Speaker 2>as a volunteer on Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty presidential campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and serving as the chairman of the Massachusetts Alliance of

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<v Speaker 2>College Republicans. After graduation, he was elected as the chair

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<v Speaker 2>of the College Republican National Committee with the help of

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<v Speaker 2>a man who had become his close friend and longtime collaborator,

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<v Speaker 2>Rover Norquist. Together the pair made it their mission to

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<v Speaker 2>transform the College Republicans from a resume padding social club

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<v Speaker 2>into a vicious, militant political tool. They pushed out the

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<v Speaker 2>old car the men they considered wishy, washy country clubbers,

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<v Speaker 2>and they remade the organization into what Abramoff called the

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<v Speaker 2>sword and the Shield of the Reagan Revolution. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was a busy man in the early eighties. In addition

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<v Speaker 2>to his duties as the chair of the College Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>he was the frontman of a group called the USA Foundation,

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<v Speaker 2>and that group mainly appears in a couple of news

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<v Speaker 2>stories in nineteen eighty four in connection to a series

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<v Speaker 2>of rallies that he organized celebrating the anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 2>US invasion of Granada. And maybe it's because the name

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<v Speaker 2>is so generic, but it's hard to find old news

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<v Speaker 2>articles about the USA Foundation. They don't really seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have done much public facing work that was perhaps by design.

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<v Speaker 2>The foundation seems to have mostly existed to raise money. Traditionally,

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<v Speaker 2>the College Republicans had relied almost exclusively on their Republican

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<v Speaker 2>National Committee for their budget, but Abramov had something bigger

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<v Speaker 2>in mind. He wanted autonomy, and he wanted an immunity

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<v Speaker 2>from the nagging oversight of the old guard, so he

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<v Speaker 2>made his own money. I once again find myself appreciating

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<v Speaker 2>the work of an unsavory source. The archivists at the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberty University Jerry Folwell Library have done a really phenomenal

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<v Speaker 2>job of digitizing their collection of old documents related to

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<v Speaker 2>the Conservative Caucus, a lobbying group whose board Abramof served on,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the documents in that collection is a

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<v Speaker 2>memo that Abramof sent to a big donor listing off

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<v Speaker 2>his accomplishments as chair of the College Republicans in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four in hopes of securing a big check, and

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<v Speaker 2>he says the USA Foundation, under his leadership, had hosted

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<v Speaker 2>a delegation of South African student leaders on a trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Washington in January of nineteen eighty four, and at

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<v Speaker 2>that meeting they'd made plans with those South African students

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<v Speaker 2>from a group called the Students Moderate Allay Alliance to

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<v Speaker 2>co host an international student conference later that year at

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<v Speaker 2>a resort in the South African Bantustan of both with

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<v Speaker 2>the Swana. That same archive contains a nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>letter from one of Abramoff's colleagues, a right wing think

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<v Speaker 2>take veteran named Amy Moritz, and it's a letter to

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<v Speaker 2>William F. Buckley, And in that letter, Moritz openly admits

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<v Speaker 2>to operating multiple front groups and then she opines on

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<v Speaker 2>the effectiveness of various other right wing groups operating around

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<v Speaker 2>the country. And one of the groups she offers an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on is Abramoff's USA Foundation, and she describes it

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<v Speaker 2>as operating out of the Heritage Foundation, which is an

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing aside that I can't offer you any explanation for.

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<v Speaker 2>But through his USA Foundation, it seems that Abramoff had

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<v Speaker 2>finally found a way to pair his ideological inclinations with

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<v Speaker 2>personal profit. The USA Foundation took in hefty donations from

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<v Speaker 2>corporations in exchange for seeking the College Republicans on student

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<v Speaker 2>groups that were bad for business. So landlords in San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco paid to have student groups organizing for rent control

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<v Speaker 2>pushed off California campuses. Campbell's Soup paid them to undermine

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<v Speaker 2>student support from migrant farm workers unions. It was, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>another front group with the added bonus of being able

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<v Speaker 2>to solicit tax exempt contributions, which he could then use

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<v Speaker 2>to fund the political activities of the College Republicans. So

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<v Speaker 2>these companies, they're not just donating to some think tank.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not donating to awareness raising or policy papers. They're investing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were buying fake grassroots organizing to compete in the

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<v Speaker 2>marketplace of ideas on their behalf. But Jack Abramoff wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>to sit in Washington and hold fundraisers. He was, after all,

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<v Speaker 2>the sword and shield of the Reagan Revolution, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the early eighties that meant getting out there and fighting

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet influence wherever it existed or wherever it was imagined

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<v Speaker 2>to exist. For some conservatives, the growing bad press about

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<v Speaker 2>apartheid was just a highly effective KGB propaganda operation. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it was as chair of the College Republican Committee

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<v Speaker 2>that Jack Abramaw first visited South Africa in nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>The trip was an effort to strengthen ties between student

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<v Speaker 2>groups internationally, and as part of that mission, he met

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<v Speaker 2>with Russell Cristel, the leader of a group calling itself

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<v Speaker 2>the Student's Moderate Alliance. It wouldn't be officially revealed until

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two, so nine years after this meeting that

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<v Speaker 2>the Student's Moderate Alliance had been entirely a project of

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<v Speaker 2>the South African Security Police designed to discredit and disrupt

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<v Speaker 2>student organizing by groups like the National Union of South

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<v Speaker 2>African Students or NUSAS, a primarily English speaking anti apartheid

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<v Speaker 2>group on university campuses. But even more than a decade

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<v Speaker 2>before the truth was exposed, student groups in South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>saw right through Russell Crystal. I found newspapers and zines

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<v Speaker 2>put out by college students dating as far back as

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<v Speaker 2>the organization's founding in nineteen eighty. Mocking the obvious charade

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<v Speaker 2>of this organization calling itself moderate, they immediately spotted what

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<v Speaker 2>was obvious National Party propaganda. Old issues of a NUSAS

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<v Speaker 2>aligned student newspaper published by the South African Students Press

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<v Speaker 2>Union Don't Hold Back. A nineteen eighty issue covering the

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<v Speaker 2>student council election at the University of viitvatersrund And Johannesburg

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<v Speaker 2>usually just shortened to Vits University, it calls the Student's

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<v Speaker 2>Moderate Alliance a neo fascist group, and it dismisses them

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<v Speaker 2>as joke candidates, although one of those joke candidates did win,

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<v Speaker 2>Russell Cristel's brother Lance. By nineteen eighty three, the same

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<v Speaker 2>paper reported that Russell Cristel, also a student at Fitfadder's Front,

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<v Speaker 2>had offered to help right wing student groups at other

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<v Speaker 2>schools pay the cost of printing their anti NUSUS pamphlets.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also widely believed that Cristel's Student's Moderate Alliance

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<v Speaker 2>was behind some mysterious pamphlets that had been popping up

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<v Speaker 2>at campuses all over the country. The pamphlets were made

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<v Speaker 2>to appear as though NUSUS had authored them. They bore

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<v Speaker 2>the organization's name at the bottom, and they mimicked the

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<v Speaker 2>style of real NUSIS flyers, but they misrepresented the group's

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<v Speaker 2>views and attempted to link the group to illegal activity.

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<v Speaker 2>They were such an obvious attempt to discredit the group

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<v Speaker 2>that the vice chancellor at its university issued a statement

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<v Speaker 2>that whoever had created the flyers quote does not have

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<v Speaker 2>the best interest of students or of the country at heart.

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<v Speaker 2>The university administration also noted that quote the nature and

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<v Speaker 2>countrywide method of their distribution suggests that the persons responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for them command resources beyond those typically available to student organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>and throughout the nineteen eighties, student newspapers in South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>ran stories about the impossible level of funding the Student's

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<v Speaker 2>Moderate Alliance seemed to have access to. They had unlimited

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<v Speaker 2>numbers of these glossy, expensive looking, professionally made pamphlets, and

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<v Speaker 2>in one case, there was even proof that the pamphlets

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<v Speaker 2>had been printed in a National Party office. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty two, a student newspaper obtained a sworn statement from

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<v Speaker 2>someone who had been detained under Section twenty two. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the provision that allowed for preventive detention without charges largely

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<v Speaker 2>a tool used to harass and intimidate anti apartheid activists,

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<v Speaker 2>and on this particular occasion, this detainee was taken up

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<v Speaker 2>to the tenth floor of the Johannesburg Police station to

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<v Speaker 2>be questioned. The tenth floor was occupied by the security

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<v Speaker 2>branch of the police, the police who were tasked with

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence gathering, handling informants and running death squads. And there

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<v Speaker 2>on the tenth floor, this detainee saw a familiar face.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Russell Cristel, and the sworn statement read, in

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<v Speaker 2>part quote I saw Cristel on the tenth floor of

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<v Speaker 2>John Forster Square. He was neither handcuffed nor accompanied by

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<v Speaker 2>the security police. He appeared calm and under no duress.

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<v Speaker 2>When his brother Lance Cristel was elected to the VIT

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<v Speaker 2>Student Council in nineteen eighty, he refused to sign a

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<v Speaker 2>statement that all student representatives were asked to agree to

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<v Speaker 2>that they would not involve themselves in espionage on campus.

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<v Speaker 2>Lance Cristel reportedly said, quote, I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>be held responsible for any patriotic urge that might occur

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<v Speaker 2>during my term of office. An official university inquiry from

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<v Speaker 2>the mid eighties determined that the Student's Moderate Alliance clearly

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<v Speaker 2>had quote lavish funding from anonymous sources. In addition to

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<v Speaker 2>his Student's Moderate Alliance, Russell Cristel also founded the National

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<v Speaker 2>Students Federation. The Vitz student newspaper sent a reporter to

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<v Speaker 2>the group's conference in nineteen eighty four. It was held

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<v Speaker 2>at a luxury hotel in downtown Johannesburg, with little Finger

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<v Speaker 2>sandwiches served on silver platters. Russell Cristel was elected as

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<v Speaker 2>the group's president and the leader of the Student's Moderate

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<v Speaker 2>Alliance chapter at the University of Cape Town was elected

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<v Speaker 2>to the group's executive board and named its media officer.

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<v Speaker 2>That student, a young Arthur Kemp is someone whose name

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<v Speaker 2>might sound familiar if you listen carefully. He would later

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<v Speaker 2>author the hit list found in the possession of Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Hani's assassin in nineteen ninety three. That student newspaper reporter

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty four concluded the article about the conference

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<v Speaker 2>with a quote from a nusa's student leader. They aren't

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<v Speaker 2>just making wild accusations when they speculate about possible state

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<v Speaker 2>funding for crystal student groups. Just a few years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>something called the Information Scandal had broken and the government

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<v Speaker 2>had been forced to admit to the existence of something

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<v Speaker 2>called Project Anne Marie, a year's long propaganda campaign aimed

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<v Speaker 2>at undermining anti apartheid activism at home and anti apartheid

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<v Speaker 2>opinion abroad. Four high ranking government officials were forced to

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<v Speaker 2>resign in disgrace, including Prime Minister Forster. The Secretary of

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<v Speaker 2>Information not only resigned but fled the country, only to

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<v Speaker 2>be extradited back from France to face fraud charges. It

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<v Speaker 2>turned out that throughout the seventies, millions of dollars had

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<v Speaker 2>been spent from the defense budget to do, in part,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what these students feared was happening again, form front

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<v Speaker 2>groups to disseminate propaganda and disrupt and discredit anti apartheid

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<v Speaker 2>groups like NUSUS and so that student organizer told the paper.

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<v Speaker 2>While we would want to shy away from individualizing political

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<v Speaker 2>differences where the true motives of people are being obscured,

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<v Speaker 2>it has at times been necessary to draw the links

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<v Speaker 2>between such individuals and the National Party and Security Police.

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<v Speaker 2>We believe that the NSF represents a growing attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>stifle opposition to APARTHEIPE. It would take almost a decade

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<v Speaker 2>to get the government to admit it, but.

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<v Speaker 1>She was right.

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<v Speaker 2>Russell Crystal's National Student Federation and Student's Moderate Alliance were

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<v Speaker 2>both entirely the creation of the apartheid government. While I

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<v Speaker 2>was researching this segment, I found a small collection of

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<v Speaker 2>old issues of the Student, that student newspaper at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of the vit vadders Rund. It's such a fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>window into the past. It's just a college newspaper. It's

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<v Speaker 2>written by twenty year olds and there are articles about

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<v Speaker 2>how to get more information about university sponsored insurance. There

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<v Speaker 2>are articles about the tennis team's latest matchups and reviews

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<v Speaker 2>of David Bowie albums and John Irving not There's gossip

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<v Speaker 2>about student groups and classified ads for bicycles and piano lessons.

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<v Speaker 2>But in those same pages, those same student journalists are

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<v Speaker 2>writing stories about the editor of another student paper disappearing

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<v Speaker 2>at the hands of the security police, held in detention

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<v Speaker 2>without charges. There are headlines like twentieth vis student detained

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<v Speaker 2>and the police won't say why and they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>when they'll be back. Mixed in with these write ups

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<v Speaker 2>about student theater productions, there are images of riot police

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<v Speaker 2>with dogs and shotguns marching through campus.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>All that to say, it's possible that Jack Abramoff didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know he was meeting with a government funded front group

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<v Speaker 2>led by an intelligence asset when he visited Johannesburg in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three. Again, the actual facts wouldn't come out

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<v Speaker 2>until nineteen ninety two. Maybe he didn't know. It was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of an open secret, though, and he would have

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<v Speaker 2>been able to figure it out had he spent five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes doing his due diligence. But if we take his

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<v Speaker 2>word for it, he never had any idea. It was

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<v Speaker 2>obvious to those teenagers in Johannesburg and to the university administrators.

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal himself never refuted allegations that he was connected to

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<v Speaker 2>the security police, even allegations that surfaced in nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe Abramoff never asked. Maybe he's just an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>But despite his later insistence to the contrary, there are

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<v Speaker 2>some clues here that might lead you to suspect that

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<v Speaker 2>he did know. Not long after returning from this trip,

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<v Speaker 2>the National College Republican Committee formally adopted a resolution pledging

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<v Speaker 2>their support to the student's Moderate alliance in their fight

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<v Speaker 2>against communism. The resolution condemned Soviet aggression and claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa was plagued by deliberate KGP propaganda, but it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually mention apartheid at all. When Abramov gave a

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<v Speaker 2>speech to the Republican National Convention in August of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four, that was his parting message that he's mobilizing

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<v Speaker 2>college age voters to reelect Ronald Reagan because America can

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<v Speaker 2>only be free if Ronald Reagan is free to fund

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<v Speaker 2>the anti communist death squads.

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<v Speaker 3>And a students know that support of anti Soviet freedom

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<v Speaker 3>fighters and victory over communism guarantees us security for our nation.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it is to our party that they come.

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<v Speaker 3>It is with us that they trust our dreams, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is in us that they place their hopes, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it is for them that we must win in November,

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<v Speaker 3>So them that we must re elect Ronald Reagan, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's for them that we must restore liberty and righteousness

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the world. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>By nineteen eighty five, Jack Abramoff had a new gig.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the executive director of Citizens for America, a

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<v Speaker 2>lobbying group funded by Write eight Heir, Lewis Lherman This

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<v Speaker 2>was very explicitly just a privately funded mouthpiece for Ronald Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>Lahirman was the founder, funder, and leader of CFA, but

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<v Speaker 2>it hadn't actually been his idea. It was Reagan, mega

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<v Speaker 2>donor and producer of most of the world's instant mashed potatoes,

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<v Speaker 2>a man named Jack Hume, who approached Reagan in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three with the idea of forming a group that

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<v Speaker 2>could shape public opinion in his favor. But they needed

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<v Speaker 2>the right man for the job. It was President Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>himself who called up Lahirman and sold him on the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Lherman later described the call saying, quote, our first purpose

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<v Speaker 2>is to induce a mutation in the climate of opinion

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<v Speaker 2>in America among opinion leaders. So about a year and

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<v Speaker 2>a half into the existence of CFA, Lherman hired Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff as its executive director, and in that role, Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff was meeting almost daily with Oliver North. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan very much wanted to fund the anti communist

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<v Speaker 2>forces in Nicaragua, but because of their horrific and ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>human rights abuses, Congress had passed a series of ever

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<v Speaker 2>tightening restrictions on the kind of US aid that they

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<v Speaker 2>could receive, and by nineteen eighty five, Ronald Reagan couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>legally send the Contras any US money at all. So

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<v Speaker 2>they put theirs together and they found what they thought

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<v Speaker 2>was a creative little loophole. Congress didn't actually say that

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't send the Contrasts any money. They said that

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't send them any US government money, money that

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<v Speaker 2>had been appropriated by Congress, money from the budget of

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<v Speaker 2>a US agency. There are other kinds of money, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the Reagan administration illegally sold weapons to Iran, and

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<v Speaker 2>they used that money, money that had never been appropriated

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<v Speaker 2>by Congress, to fund the Contrasts. It's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than that. Don't email me to explain it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to write a thousand words about

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<v Speaker 2>the Iran Contra affair. But I don't think anyone wants

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that anyway. So if this story is new

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<v Speaker 2>to you, all you need to know right now is

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<v Speaker 2>that Ronald Reagan was absolutely unwilling to let Congress stand

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<v Speaker 2>in the way of his desire to overthrow the Nicaraguan government,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people eventually got into some trouble

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<v Speaker 2>when that loophole idea turned out to be pretty illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's where we finally picked back up with that

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>strange story we opened with. As director of the CFA,

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff convinced his boss, Lewis Lherman that this summit of

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<v Speaker 2>anti communist rebel leaders would be a public relations victory

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<v Speaker 2>for Ronald Reagan. Congress had just shut down the last

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<v Speaker 2>bit of USA to the contras in Nicaragua, and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>soon be hearing a bill on aid to Jonas Savimbi's

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<v Speaker 2>unit of forces in Angola. Reagan insisted that arming what

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<v Speaker 2>he called freedom fighters was actually self defense for the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. The idea is that these rebel groups are

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<v Speaker 2>fighting Soviet influence abroad, and that's a necessary thing in

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<v Speaker 2>these last days of the Cold War. So Abramov's plan

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<v Speaker 2>was to get them all in one room and brain

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<v Speaker 2>storm a strategy for convincing the world that these notorious

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<v Speaker 2>human rights abusers are indeed Reagan's freedom fighters. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>how Jack Abramoff ended up on a South African charter

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<v Speaker 2>plane to Angola to spend four days in a tent

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<v Speaker 2>with Oliver North, Grover Norquist, and the leaders of the

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<v Speaker 2>Contras and the Mujahadeen.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole affair.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like it would make for a darkly funny comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently someone did make a movie about Jack Abramoff

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten. It's called Casino Jack. I think Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Spacey plays Jack Abramoff. I didn't watch it, but apparently

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<v Speaker 2>there is a scene in that movie depicting this event.

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<v Speaker 2>On their flight from Johannesburg to Angola, the plane they

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<v Speaker 2>took had to fly very low and change course frequently

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid detection by the Cubans who were in Angola,

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<v Speaker 2>and this left the entire delegation just miserably sick. There

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<v Speaker 2>were several reporters along for the ride, and I found

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<v Speaker 2>multiple accounts that almost everyone on the plane spent the

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<v Speaker 2>entire flight taking turns vomiting in the plane's filthy toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>And after they landed on a makeshift airstrip somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the bush and southern Angola, they endured a two hour

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<v Speaker 2>car ride and old jeeps over unpaved roads before arriving

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<v Speaker 2>at the secret location of the United Base camp. Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Abramoff later wrote that because he couldn't travel on the Sabbath,

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<v Speaker 2>he had actually departed for Jamba a day earlier than

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the delegation, and so he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to travel alone. Adolfo Colero volunteered to go with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and that just seems so thoughtful, doesn't it. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he was just being polite, he was just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make a new friend. There's no source that indicates a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter was on that flight. I can't find anything written

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<v Speaker 2>about what they might have talked about, so we can

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<v Speaker 2>only guess what a rabid Reaganite and the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the Nicaraguan Contras might have talked about during five hours

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<v Speaker 2>alone in May of nineteen eighty five. As bad as

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<v Speaker 2>the journey was, it wasn't much better after they'd arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Jamba, not DC. There was no Ritz Carlton,

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>There was no plumbing, there was no air conditioning. They

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>slept on cots in thatched huts. The delegation from the

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Mujahadeen was using Abdul Rahim Mardak's son as a translator,

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and Abramoff would later claim that he seemed to be struggling,

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>often offering only a few words in translation for very

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>long statements. A write up in The New York Times

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>says the Laotian translator kept referring to their Angolan host,

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Jonas Savimbi as mister Zimbabwe. And when the group's wealthy patron,

0:31:56.360 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Lherman, presented these rebel leaders, each with their own

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>framed copy of the United States Constitution, they didn't even

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>pretend to be impressed.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>When the group was sat down.

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<v Speaker 2>To get to business, Lherman read them a letter from

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan appearing to endorse the summit, and it read,

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>in part, we have to be moved by the example

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>of men and women who struggle every day at great

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>personal risk, for rights that we have enjoyed since birth.

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Their goals are our goals. But in reading this letter aloud,

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Lherman omitted a pretty important line. In the President's letter,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't addressed to this group. It was addressed to

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Lahirman alone, and it was not intended to convey the

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>President's endorsement of or promised of aid to anyone there.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>In Jack Abramoff's memoirs, though he claims quote there wasn't

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a dry eye in the house at the end of

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the letter, he goes on to say the words of

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan meant the world to this group. That particular

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 2>characterization of this moment is notably absent from every other

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 2>account I read. One account published in the conservative Washington

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Examiner says there wasn't even enough food for everyone there.

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Jack abramof keeps kosher, so he packed an entire suitcase

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>with his own provisions for the trip, and he departed

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>from Angola a little bit early before the event was

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 2>entirely over, and the Washington Examiner reports that as he's leaving,

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 2>he's auctioning off his remaining cans of tuna fish, reportedly

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>for as much as twenty dollars a can. Grover Norquis

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>dubbed the event the Democratic International. The press called it

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 2>the Jamboree in Jamba, and the attendees signed a pack

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>to read, we free peoples fighting for our national independence

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and human rights assembled at Jamba declare our solidarity with

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>all freedom movements in the world and state our commitment

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to cooperate to liberate our nations from these Soviet imperialists.

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>In a later piece in Harper's Magazine, columnist Thomas Frank

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>called the declaration a bit of high flown foldol written

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>by Grover Norquist that aimed for solemnity, but sounded more

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>like the work of a fifth grader who had been

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>forced to memorize the Gettysburg Address and the Declaration of

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Independence and has gotten them all jumbled up somehow, I mean,

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>honestly sick burn On Grover Norquist. Adolpho Kolero, the representative

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>from the Contras, clarified to reporters that the pact didn't

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>call for any exchanges of troops or weapons. It was

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.919
<v Speaker 2>kind of just vibes. When the American delegation got home,

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Lherman discovered that Abramoff and Norquist had been blowing

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 2>through money with reckless abandon and they'd spent nearly three

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 2>million dollars out of the budget of Citizens for America.

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Lherman claims he fired them. Abramoff says he quit. Who knows,

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.919
<v Speaker 2>But by the end of the summer of nineteen eighty five,

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist no longer worked at Citizens

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>for America. But luckily for Abramoff, he'd used his time

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in Angola to reconnect with an old friend. That summit

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 2>had also been attended by representatives from right wing student

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>groups from South Africa, led by none other than Russell Crystal.

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Abramoff soon found himself as the head of a newly

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>founded DC based think tank called the International Freedom Foundation,

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the same sort of nebulous, meaningless mission statement as any

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>number of think tanks. They promoted freedom and democracy and

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the free market. It looked like just another slick lobbying

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 2>organization designed to bring in high dollar donations for newsletters

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 2>about the evils of communism, and I guess that's kind

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 2>of what it was, except almost all of the money

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 2>came directly from the South African government. It was given

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the code name Project pac Man by South African military intelligence,

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 2>and Abramov's new think tank received one point five million

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>dollars per year every year from nineteen eighty six through

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two to fund Operation Babushka, the code name

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 2>given to this propaganda campaign aimed at undermining the African

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>National Congress, shaping international opinion about apartheid, and combating efforts

0:36:54.400 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>by American politicians to impose sanctions on South Africa. The

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.439
<v Speaker 2>truth didn't come out until nineteen ninety five. That's when

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 2>former South African security policeman Paul Erasmus testified before the

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Truth and Reconciliation Commission about the existence of the strapcom

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 2>unit short for Strategic Communications, which I guess is kind

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>of a cute name for propaganda and disinformation. Erasmus admitted

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>to his own role in a year's long disinformation campaign

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>smearing Winnie Mandela, and he's spoken publicly over the years

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>about the close relationships traccom had with US based Conservatives,

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>people like Edwin Fulner, one of the founders of the

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation, and people like prominent Council of Conservative Citizens

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:47.879
<v Speaker 2>member Robert Slim. Slim, interestingly enough, is someone whose name

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I found twice, once in the nineteen eighties when he

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 2>was sending faxes to leaders of the Conservative Caucus offering

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to set up meetings for them with Eugene terre Blanche

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 2>on their next time trip to South Africa, and then

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>again in twenty twelve. His name comes up in connection

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 2>with Monica Stone's South Africa Project rallies. So now I

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>wonder how far back those two go. But in nineteen

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 2>ninety five, a spokesman for the South African Military did

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>confirm in a statement that quote the International Freedom Foundation

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:31.439
<v Speaker 2>was a former South African Defense Force project. Former South

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 2>African spy Craig Williamson explained to a reporter in nineteen

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>ninety five that the IFF was a tool of political

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>warfare meant to undermine the African National Congress, but that

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>they'd taken care to run the operation to prevent the

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 2>people they dealt with from realizing that quote. They were

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>involved with a foreign government. They ran their organization, but

0:38:55.040 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>we steered them. Craig Williamson is not a good man.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>He personally murdered several prominent anti apartheid activists, and he

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 2>ordered the killings of many others. One bomb he sent

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 2>was meant for a married couple critical of the apartheid regime,

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 2>but it owing to have the job. It killed Jeanette

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Shun and her six year old daughter. Her husband, Marius Shun,

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 2>returned home to find their two year old son had

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>been alone in the house with their bodies for hours. No,

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Craig Williamson is not an honorable man, but I do

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>think he's telling something close to the truth here. He

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>had to if he wanted amnesty for all those murders,

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and he did have a rather astute observation about the

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 2>particular gullibility of American conservatives saying to a reporter in

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, we decided that the only level we

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 2>were going to be accepted was when it came to

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>the Soviets and their surrogates. So our strategy was to

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.919
<v Speaker 2>paint the A and C as Communist surrogates. The more

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>we could present ourselves as anti communist, the more people

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>looked at us with respect. People you could hardly believe

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 2>cooperated with us politically.

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>When it came to the.

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Soviets, all they had to do was slap anti communism

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>on the top of the page, and Republican leaders would

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 2>sign on to a project without any follow up questions.

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Senator Jesse Helms served as chairman of the iff's advisory board,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 2>but when this news came out, his spokesman claimed that

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Helms had never even heard of such an organization and

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>certainly wasn't involved in it. Congressman Dan Burton led a

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>delegation to observe the nineteen eighty nine elections in Namibia,

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and that trip was paid for by the IFF. Both

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Burton and Congressman Robert Dornan frequently attended and spoke at

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>and wrote for IFF events in publications. They too denied

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 2>having any idea that their tabs had been paid by

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 2>the South African government. Congressman and Philip Crane served on

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 2>the organization's board for three years, but when the news

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>broke in nineteen ninety five, his spokesman claimed that he'd

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:27.399
<v Speaker 2>never actually attended any meetings, And honestly, it is kind

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>of possible that those congressmen just never asked where the

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>money came from. Maybe they had a feeling they didn't

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>want to know the answer. They probably could have figured

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>it out if they tried. An article written in nineteen

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine in Covert Affairs, a magazine founded by a

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>former CIA officer turned critic of the agency, noted that

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the International Freedom Foundation managed to establish itself very quickly

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 2>and in under two years. They were very clearly well

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>funded and had well established ties to both the international

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 2>extreme right wing and to the intelligence communities in multiple countries.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 2>The group's support for both the South African government and

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the Nicaraguan contras earned them the designation of quote an

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>organization to watch from the magazine's editors, and the author

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 2>is careful here he doesn't make any outright allegations, but

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the implication is very strong that this isn't a grassroots organization,

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>but maybe they didn't know. I can accept that that's possible,

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 2>But Jack Abramoff would also vehemently deny that he'd had

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>any clue that money wasn't clean, and I find that

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot harder to believe. Russell Kristel, the South African

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>intelligence asset who'd helped Abramov start the iff in the

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 2>first place, ran the organization's branch office in Johannesburg, and

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Crystal would like to admit that the Johannesburg office was

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 2>less of a branch and more of a nerve center.

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 2>It was really the center of the operation, and he

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was the one deciding how much money would get sent

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 2>to DC, and sometimes when the book keeping got a

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 2>little sloppy, he would just have the Military Intelligence Office

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 2>make those wire transfers directly. In nineteen eighty nine, the

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 2>state of New York asked the nonprofit to just provide

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>an accountant statement that their financial records were accurate. That's

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>not terribly unusual for a nonprofit bringing in a lot

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 2>of money, but they couldn't do it or wouldn't, and

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>they were subsequently legally barred from soliciting donations in the

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>state of New York. Financial records that were produced later

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>showed that in nineteen ninety two, the organization's revenue dropped

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to half of the level in prior years. That was

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 2>not coincidentally the year that South African President to Clerk

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 2>ended funding for such programs as a show of good

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>faith during negotiations with the African National Congress. The end

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 2>of that official funding didn't end the IFF right away.

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety three, the IFF commissioned a report that

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>was designed to paint the ANC as the true villains.

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, things are really almost over in nineteen ninety three,

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>the election is coming, apartheid is falling, but they commissioned

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>this report to say, well, aren't those the bad guys?

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Should we really be compromising with these people who are

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>doing these terrible things? And the funding for that report

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>was funneled through a slush fund operated by Lucas Mangope

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 2>the apartheid collaboration as president of the semi sovereign Bantustan

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 2>of Bofu Tatswana. The IFF would close its doors for

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>good later that year. But that's really quite enough about

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 2>old memos buried in the archives of conservative think tanks.

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I promised you I was going to tell you about

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:09.799
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty eight cinematic abomination Red Scorpion to give

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you a brief idea of what the movie is about.

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It stars Dolph Lundgren as a Soviet Special Forces operative

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>assigned to assassinate the leader of an anti communist guerrilla

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>force in the fictional African country of Mombaka. And the

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 2>movie opens with Lundgren called before this sinister cabal of

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 2>communist military leaders from Cuba and the Soviet Union, and

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 2>they show him this slide show of these evil freedom fighters.

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 2>It's totally very odd because the movie is from the

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>perspective of Dolph Lundgren's character, a Soviet Special Forces soldier,

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.760
<v Speaker 2>and he is a Communist, and he is our protagonist,

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and he is going to kill these anti communists. But

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Abrarov has trouble sort of settling into a perspective because

0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 2>he's writing this derisively. It's satirically right, because the anti

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>communists are the heroes in his world. So it's a

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 2>little difficult to tell what the movie is trying to

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 2>achieve because he doesn't successfully right satire. For much of

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the movie, Dulph Luangren is just sort of roaming the

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>African bush dressed in a rather striking manner. He's removed

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 2>his outer shirt and he's ripped his khaki pants into

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 2>these tiny little shorts. And on the surface level, this

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 2>is just that sort of eighties action movie aesthetic where

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing the sort of shining, sweaty pecks of this

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 2>enormous muscle man. But I think there's more to this

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>particular choice. We have this gigantic blonde Swede and he's

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 2>been outfitted in what I have to assume as a

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 2>very intentional recreation of the iconic uniform of the Selo Scouts,

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the notoriously brutal Rhodesian Special Forces. And when I sat

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>down to watch this movie, I realized almost immediately that

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<v Speaker 2>Abramov had based the film on his own experience in Angola,

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<v Speaker 2>just backwards right the men he paid to write the

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<v Speaker 2>actual screenplay based on his notes, A man named arn Olsen,

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<v Speaker 2>later said that Abramoff explicitly told him that Mombaka is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be Angola, and he'd written the character of

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<v Speaker 2>the rebel leader Sundata to represent Jonas Savimbi. So Abramoff

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<v Speaker 2>obviously came up with the plot of this movie in

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five when he met with those anti communist leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>So he just took that story and he inverted it

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<v Speaker 2>because we know now for a fact that South African

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<v Speaker 2>operatives assassinated leaders of the Soviet supported social estate of

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Republic of Angola throughout that conflict. So he

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<v Speaker 2>just took what he knew and he reversed it to

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<v Speaker 2>make the bad guys in his mind the bad guys

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 2>of his movie, regardless of who the bad guy was

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<v Speaker 2>in real life. Some of the actions taken in the

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<v Speaker 2>film by these villainous Cuban soldiers are things that we

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<v Speaker 2>know South African special forces did in multiple conflicts throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the region. Russian soldiers in the movie drop some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of toxic chemical from a plane on innocent civilians of Mombaka,

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>and in real life there were later revelations about something

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>called Project Coast, South Africa's chemical and biological warfare program.

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 2>There were horrific tales of chemical agents being tested on detainees,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically detainees from the Ankle And conflict, and they used

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<v Speaker 2>biological weapons to wipe out villages in Mozambique, Angola, and

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<v Speaker 2>Namibia spanning years. But in the movie, these anti communist rebels,

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<v Speaker 2>led by this Savimbi stand in are noble freedom fighters

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<v Speaker 2>and this Soviet killing has been sent to destroy them,

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<v Speaker 2>but he has second thoughts and et cetera. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why it's an hour and forty minutes long. There

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<v Speaker 2>is an extended sequence with no dialogue where a Kalahari

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<v Speaker 2>bushman is teaching Dolph Lundgren to hunt or hogs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of looking at my phone at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Dolph Lungren is basically just playing Ivan Drego again. He's

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<v Speaker 2>fresh off playing that Russian boxer in Rocky four. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess he's just kind of a one note guy. The

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<v Speaker 2>only interesting character in the whole movie is that Kalahari

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<v Speaker 2>bushman who rescues our protagonists from certain death in the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>He's played by rekhobstan an elder in the Komani clan

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<v Speaker 2>of the San People. He was ninety five years old

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<v Speaker 2>when the movie was filmed, and I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>curious about who they got to play this role, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I looked him up and Rekhobe's son's son, David

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<v Speaker 2>would years later, after the fall of apartheid, successfully win

0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>a legal battle for the return of their ancestral lands.

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<v Speaker 2>So the movie sucked, but at least it gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to read a little bit about this rightful

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 2>restoration of the Komani lands, which are now protected as

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<v Speaker 2>a UNESCO World Heritage Site. It is hard to say

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<v Speaker 2>exactly how Red Scorpion came to be. Abramoff's version of

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<v Speaker 2>events doesn't pass the smell test. He was outraged at

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<v Speaker 2>the allegation that the South African government had played any

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:39.360
<v Speaker 2>part in his movie, but Craig Williamson, that South African

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<v Speaker 2>spy is on record claiming the film was absolutely quote

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<v Speaker 2>funded by our guys, and it would certainly be hard

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>to explain away everything about the film if that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Extras are played by South African soldiers. South African military

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>hardware is used for props. Vehicles with South African military

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>license plates were seen on set by cast and crew

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>and reporters. The South African military provided the production with

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<v Speaker 2>an old Soviet tank that they'd captured earlier in the

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Angolan conflict, and South Africa allowed Abramoff to film the

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<v Speaker 2>entire movie in Namibia in nineteen eighty eight and nineteen

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight was the last year that the South African

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<v Speaker 2>military was actively occupying much of Namibia before the UN

0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 2>arrived in nineteen eighty nine to facilitate the ceasefire and

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the transition to Namibian independence. Carmen Aargenziano, the American actor

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<v Speaker 2>cast as the Cuban colonel, later told reporters that actors

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 2>knew during filming that most of the extras in the

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 2>movie were South African soldiers, and during filming there were

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 2>rumors on set that there was some kind of intelligence operation.

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Argenza called it very fishy quote. We heard that very

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 2>right wing South African money was helping fund the movie.

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't very clear. We were pretty upset about the

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:14.879
<v Speaker 2>source of the money. We thought we were misled. We

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>were shocked that these brothers who we thought were showbiz liberals,

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hill's Jewish kids were doing this. Argenziano recounted one

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 2>incident at the hotel where all the actors were staying.

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Some black Namibian children were playing on the escalator and

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the South African soldiers working for the production were shouting

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 2>racial slurs of the children, chasing them away. Unnamed sources

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 2>close to apramoff told Ken Silverstein, writing for Harper's in

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:47.760
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, quote, Yes, some people were duped

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:52.760
<v Speaker 2>by the iff, but Jack wasn't one of them. As chairman,

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 2>he understood where the money was coming from. He knew

0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>exactly who he was playing with. Another source told Silverstein

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 2>that Red Scorpion had absolutely been a propaganda project, and

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Abramoff certainly knew it. Asked in nineteen eighty seven by

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>The New York Times if the film, which was still

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>in production at that point, was being financed by the

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 2>South African government, Abramoff gave the incredibly normal sounding answer

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:24.280
<v Speaker 2>that he had raised the money from quote normal film investors.

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<v Speaker 2>In his own memoirs, Abramoff repeats his claim that the

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:31.680
<v Speaker 2>film had been financed by private investors, but the only

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:36.439
<v Speaker 2>investor he names is quoting from the book, Robert Hall,

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<v Speaker 2>a retired physician turned investor who owned a vineyard on

0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:44.879
<v Speaker 2>the cape of South Africa. And that's true. Robert Hall

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.799
<v Speaker 2>was a retired doctor of sorts who was now an

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.239
<v Speaker 2>investor of sorts and did own a vineyard on the

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>cape of South Africa. That's true, but Abramoff neglects to

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>include that Robert Hall was actually an American oral so virgin.

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 2>He'd invented a variety of high speed drills used in

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 2>dental and orthopedic surgical procedures, but he fled the United

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 2>States in the late nineteen seventies to avoid paying millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>To the IRS.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little hard to google a generic sounding name

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.439
<v Speaker 2>like Robert Hall. There are a lot of guys called

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Robert Hall who might be a doctor and might live

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>in South Africa. But luckily for us this Robert Hall

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 2>unsuccessfully sued a South African magazine in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>A judge in the Cape of Good Hope ruled that

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<v Speaker 2>the magazine had in fact only been reporting the facts,

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<v Speaker 2>not defaming Hall, when they reported, among other things, that

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.839
<v Speaker 2>he'd pressured a South African bank in nineteen eighty three

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to allow him to engage in currency exchange transactions that

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<v Speaker 2>would be illegal for someone who is a permanent resident

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 2>of South Africa, and as part of his strategy to

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 2>convince the bank to let him keep doing these transactions,

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 2>he told the bank manager that he was a personal

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 2>friend of President Ronald Reagan. So yeah, just normal investors.

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<v Speaker 2>He raised money the normal way. Jeff Pandon who worked

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<v Speaker 2>under Abramoff at the International Freedom Foundation, says that Abramoff

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:23.640
<v Speaker 2>hired Russell Kristel as an executive producer on the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and Krystal, in addition to being a state intelligence asset

0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>running front groups throughout the nineteen eighties, was at this

0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 2>time serving on President de Clerk's Presidential Council, and Abramoff

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely would have known that there's just no good faith

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 2>explanation that can possibly leave you believing that Jack Abramoff

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>had no idea that his movie was South African state propaganda.

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<v Speaker 2>The film flopped Warner Brothers pulled out of the agreement

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to distribute it after pressure from anti apartheid activists led

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>mainly by Tennis Legend Arthur Ashe. Shooting delays left the

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.879
<v Speaker 2>movie wildly over budget, and several actors claim they never

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 2>got paid. The International Freedom Foundation folded in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three when the South African funding dried up, apartheid ended,

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<v Speaker 2>and by nineteen ninety five, Jack Abramoff was working as

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<v Speaker 2>a lobbyist for the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the clients that he would eventually go to prison

0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 2>for defrauding out of millions of dollars and that, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess is the story of how apartheid funded a bad

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<v Speaker 2>action movie and Jack abramoff Ate Cantuna at the Mujahadeen

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<v Speaker 2>and half the conservative think tags in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>D C.

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