1 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affne, the program 2 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk 5 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: about an important part of the kingdom. That would be 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: the Holy Land, what is happening there and what it 7 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: means in terms of the vital interests of the United States, 8 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: not just of Israel. Before we do, I want to 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: give you a little bit of context about the problem 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: as I see it for both Israel and the United States, 11 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: for that matter, the free world more generally. It's not 12 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: every day that the American people can have a direct 13 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: input into the making of decisions that can critically affect 14 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: the national and homeland security of the United States. Today 15 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: is such a day. During a victoryco dot org briefing 16 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: at one pm Eastern Time, will launch a new Aligne 17 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Act campaign that enables the public to communicate to President 18 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Trump the necessity of stripping out and removing the support 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: networks of radical Islam in this country. Donald Trump promised 20 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: to do just that on August fifteenth, twenty sixteen, when 21 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: as the Republican nominee for president, He pledged to take 22 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: numerous steps to counter radical Islam's ideology known as Sharia 23 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: in America. The prime mover behind such Sharia supremacism here 24 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: is the Muslim Brotherhood, a group he's considering designating as 25 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization. Join us in supporting President Trump in 26 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: doing so at banth Brotherhood dot org. Well, those are 27 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: my thoughts for more than follow me at X at 28 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: Frank Gaffney and at Usfuture dot org, the homepage of 29 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: our Institute for the American Future that makes possible any 30 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: number of important programs, including this one. I encourage you 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: to support us there and thereby make this program possible. 32 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: Our guest for the next three segments, I'm very pleased 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: to say, is a dear friend as well as an 34 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: esteemed colleague. I consider him to be quite possibly the 35 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: best information warfare operative in the free world today. He 36 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: runs an outfit called Israel three point sixty five Action. 37 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: He can find there some terrific videos and other content 38 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: that our friend, Rabbi Pessek generates seemingly daily. We are 39 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: proud to partner with him and Israel three sixty five 40 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: Action on many of the programs of our victory coalition, 41 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: which is helping to make possible that Benthbrotherhood dot org project. 42 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: We look forward always to conversations with him, and especially 43 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: when he's able to give us an extended time for 44 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: that conversation. It's a special banner day here at Securing America, 45 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Rabbi, welcome back. It's so good to 46 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: have you with us. 47 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Great to be with you. 48 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Frank you, among other things, make these videos. You are 49 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: a podcaster, shoulder to shoulder. You are a columnist with 50 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: the Jerusalem Post. You are a man of many parts 51 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: in short, and I wanted to visit with you about 52 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: this business of the Muslim Brotherhood. You know well in 53 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Israel what the brotherhood is about. You confront it within 54 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: your own own boundaries and in the adjacent areas. Of course, 55 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Hamas is the Palestinian franchise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey 56 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: Cutter and others Egypt have various degrees of relations with 57 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: these guys. All of them share the Sharia supremacist agenda 58 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: of not simply destroying Israel, or for that matter, Israel 59 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and the United States, but destroying Western civilization writ large. 60 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh, it's absolutely right. But the geopolitical 61 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: implications of the Muslim Brotherhood's activities also have everything to 62 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: do with destabilizing Arab regimes in the Middle East, meaning 63 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: what we might call moderate And I don't want to 64 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: get into the ideology or the pragmatism of various Arab regimes, 65 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: but just under in terms of the in the short term, 66 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: the Muslim Brotherhood believes that any secular regime, any government, 67 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: even when we look at an Arab government, a Muslim government, 68 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: any government that is not part of an Islamic Caliphate 69 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: is illegitimate. And that is why in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia, 70 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: in Jordan, in the United Arab Emirates, and the list 71 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: goes on, the Muslim Brotherhood are designated as a terrorist organization. 72 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: And the absurdity that we're looking at right now is 73 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: that the is that the President of the United States 74 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: is you know, issues this directive isn't really as you 75 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: said in your opening, the President has not banned the 76 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood. That was the way they put it out 77 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: in the media, and I saw it like a you know, 78 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: some sort of victory lap by some of the people 79 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: in the administration saying they banned the Muslim Brotherhood, and 80 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: you know that that hasn't happened yet, they're considering it. 81 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: And that's why the work that you're doing with the 82 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: band the Brotherhood initiative is so critical because we don't 83 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: know what direction this is going to go in. But 84 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: the absurdity that we're seeing is that on the one hand, 85 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: President Trump is deeply in bed with the Qataris especially, 86 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: but also with Urduan and the Turks, who really are 87 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: the home base, the funding apparatus, and the political clout 88 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: behind the Muslim Brotherhood. And yet at the same time 89 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: he's talking about possibly banning them when in the Middle East, 90 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: countries that in their current policy approach are seeking peaceful 91 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: engagement and economic engagement in a peaceful way with the 92 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: West and want to rid the Middle East of this 93 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: type of terrorism. Countries like Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and 94 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: some others are being marginalized. And you know, the whole 95 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: thing is such a mess. And when we talk about 96 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood countries at this point, we have to include Syria. 97 00:06:54,279 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: The current terrorist turned statesman, Ahmed Ashara or Muhammad al Juli, 98 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: whichever name you prefer, is the former head of HTS, 99 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 2: which is a terrorist organization. He's an alumnus of both 100 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: ISIS and al Qaeda, and he is a proxy of 101 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Erduwan in Turkey. He really is this really was a 102 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Syria. So, as you said, in Israel, 103 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: we're dealing with it on all fronts. Hamas. Hamas's original 104 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: name was simply the Muslim Brotherhood Gaza branch back in 105 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: the you know, in the late seventies when they were 106 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: first initially founded. That's what they were founded as. 107 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: And there are some who say, and again you've seen 108 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: up close and personally how the Brotherhood adapts to certain environments, 109 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: that they're not really terrorists, that they that they eschew 110 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: violence in fact, and that they seek to bring about Sharia, 111 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: but you know, they want to do it peacefully. They want, 112 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: for example, to win elections and thereby bring into countries 113 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: where Sharia is not the law of the land, it 114 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: as the governing structure, you know, the doctrine, including in 115 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: this country, by the way, how do you respond to 116 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: that claim that, well, notwithstanding what you just said about Dhah, 117 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: who has been all about violence throughout his life, I 118 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: mean al Qaida and ISIS, are places that he actually 119 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: was a leader. But what are your thoughts on this 120 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: proposition that we shouldn't treat them as terrorists because they're 121 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: actually issue violence as I say. 122 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: Well, I would say that you just have to educate 123 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 2: yourself about Islam. They are faithful followers of Muhammad, and 124 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: Muhammad did the exact same thing. The doctrine of Islam, 125 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: and it's right there in the Quran and the stories 126 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: and in the hadith is based on the life of Muhammad, 127 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: is that until you have the power to take over 128 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: you you you use relationships, diplomatic relationships to act peacefully 129 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: with with the with the nation or the state or 130 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: the city that you're trying to take over. And once 131 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: you have the power to take over and implementary law, 132 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: you do. So the violence is not is not the goal. 133 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: Violence is just it's just a means in the indidjihadist takeover. 134 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: So Israel is fighting the Muslim brotherhood kinetically, that's what 135 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: the war with Hamas and other enemies of Israel is. 136 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: But in the Western world they're simply taking over without 137 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: firing a shot. Why should they get violent If they 138 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: can take over England and they can take over France, 139 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: and they can take over New York City. If they 140 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: can take it over with out firing a shot, why 141 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: should they bother getting violent. But Islam is a political 142 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: movement that seeks to impose Sharia law on the world. 143 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 2: That's the Muslim Brotherhood's goal. And that's why they see 144 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: they see, you know, anything short of that as a 145 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: capitulation to secular values. So you know, that's why, and 146 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: that is why, as I said previously, that's why they're 147 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: also trying to topple Arab regimes that we think of 148 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: as Islamic regimes, like let's say, you know, the Egyptian 149 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: government or the Saudi government. They view them as legitimate 150 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: because they're because they're not sufficiently committed to one Islamic 151 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: caliphate ruling the world. 152 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about one other aspect of this, 153 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: in addition to using stealthy Jihadis techniques to accomplish the 154 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: same end. And I think it's I think it's fair 155 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: to say, and I don't if you agree that the 156 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: preferred means of accomplishish the triumph of Islam is violence. 157 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's Mohammed's you know, teaching, and it's enshrined 158 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: in Sharia, and you know, jihad is about, you know, 159 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: violence wherever practicable, but as you say, where it's not 160 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: or where it might even be counterproductive, you do the 161 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: other whether it's the elections or subversion or what have you. 162 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: But there's also this issue of material support for terrorism 163 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: that is also a criminal activity, and we've had people 164 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, tied to HAMAS and fundraising 165 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: for it, for example the Holy Land Foundation who have 166 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: gone to jail for a hard time because they were 167 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: in fact providing financial underwriting to enable Hamas to operate. 168 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: We have to take a short break, Robi. When we 169 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: come back, I want to just add that into the 170 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: mix again as to why we need to have the 171 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood designated why Benthe Brotherhood dot org is the 172 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: place to go to help do That'll be right back. 173 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: We're back. So is Rabbi Pessak Wiliki, the executive director 174 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: of Israel three sixty five Action, a man of considerable 175 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: accomplishment in multi media and a very very serious student 176 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: of the affairs of the Middle East that are currently 177 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:51,479 Speaker 1: characterized by an awful lot of jihadism aimed at destroying, 178 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: not just the state of Israel, or for that matter, US, 179 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: but Western civilization more generally. Rabbi I wanted to talk 180 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: about one aspect of this question of designating the Muslim Brotherhood. 181 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: As I mentioned in the last block, there's some who 182 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: cavil about, well, they don't really favor violence. They do 183 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: when it serves their purposes, and they will use other 184 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: means when it doesn't. But throughout, one thing that I 185 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,359 Speaker 1: believe it is accurate to say is the Muslim Brotherhood 186 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: is in the business of providing material support for terrorism, 187 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: which in our country is also a felonious activity. Is 188 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: that correct in your experience, not only in the Middle 189 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: East where you live, but also here in the United States? 190 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: Almost certainly. I mean, you have organizations, prominent organizations in 191 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: America like CARE, the Council for American Islamic Relations, who 192 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: funnel money through the Muslim Brotherhood networks that go to 193 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: terrorist organizations. There's no you know, there's no doubt about that, 194 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: and that's why they were in an undicted co conspirator 195 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: in the Holy lowand Foundations investigations. Now, and you know, 196 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: a few people know more about that than you do. 197 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: Frank uh The you know, the funding for you know, 198 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: Americans need to realize this. The funding for these terrorist 199 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: groups in the Middle East, in and and the and 200 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: UH and in North Africa, the ones who are slaughtering Christians, 201 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: a lot of their funding is coming from five O 202 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: one C threes from nonprofit organizations in the United States 203 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: of America and uh, you know, so shutting down the 204 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: Muslim you know, designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist 205 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: organization is going to have to include designating a whole 206 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: boatload of non profit organizations five O one C threes 207 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: as as funders of terrorism. And that means that this 208 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: is this is going to have to involve the I 209 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: R S and uh, you know, that's that's a critical 210 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: component of what's going to have to happen going forward. 211 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: You know, Frank, I cannot say enough about how important 212 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: it is to have a specific initiative banned the Brotherhood 213 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: because in the days and weeks ahead as this, you know, 214 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: as the Trump administration starts to decide how they're actually 215 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: going to implement this, we have to know that the 216 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: other side, the Katari's, the Turks, whoever else is whoever, 217 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: and these organizations like the Council on Islamic American Islamic 218 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: Relations and others are working very hard on the administration 219 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: to make sure that this that these actions have the 220 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: are as weak as possible, that they have no teeth, 221 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: and if we're not organized on our side, we're going 222 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: to end up, you know, with something purely performative, and 223 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: that's not actually going to prevent American dollars from going 224 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: overseas and funding actual Islamic terrorism that seeks to destroy 225 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: the West. And you know, I think it's going to 226 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: be interesting to see how far they go with this. 227 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: You have a network Al Jazeera that is on every 228 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: cable provider in the United States, which is a mouthpiece 229 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: for the Muslim otherhood. It's being broadcast into people's homes 230 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: and you know it, and that's really the uh, you know, 231 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: the the pessimistic side of this whole thing is that 232 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: no matter what the Trump administration does, the chances that 233 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: they will actually ban the most dangerous parts of the 234 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: Muslim brotherhood to American security are very slim, because the 235 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: most dangerous components of the Muslim Brotherhood to America are 236 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: the Katari and Turkish arms, and the Kataris pour billions 237 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: of dollars into American universities, they pour billions of dollars 238 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,239 Speaker 2: into influence operations, into purchasing people of very high status 239 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: in the US administration. They they and of. 240 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: Course in the conservative movement for sure. 241 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: So the chances that those get sanctioned as well, and 242 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: those get designated as terrorist organizations or that their obvious 243 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: connection to the Muslim Brotherhood is is is made up 244 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: part of this conversation are very slim, and that means 245 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: that this problem will persist no matter what we end 246 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: up with. So I would say it's a start, it's something. 247 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: At least, it's putting it into public consciousness that the 248 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood is a problem, and that's a step forward, 249 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: I guess. But Frank, let's be clear out about this. 250 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: At the same time, as as as President Trump is 251 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: pressuring Israel, openly pressuring Israel to accept Turkish troops on 252 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: the ground in Gaza as an ostensibly as a peacekeeping 253 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: or stabilization force, at the same time as he's doing that, 254 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 2: he's talking about banning the Muslim Brotherhood. This there is 255 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: a either wilful blindness or a or a startling naivete 256 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: going on regarding who the Muslim Brotherhood is in the 257 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: world today and you know so, and that's that's something 258 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: we should also talk about, Frank, we should talk about 259 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: this upcoming Natanya who visit to Washington, what precipitated it, 260 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: and what to expect to come from him, because. 261 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: It's that's that's going to be the next topic on 262 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: the other side of the break, let me just respond 263 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: to what you've just said, because I think it's really 264 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: vital that people understand just how high the stakes are 265 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: in this debate, and we need to stimulate a debate. 266 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: That's the purpose of banth Brotherhood dot org is to 267 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to weigh in with the President 268 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: and with your elected officials in opposition to this well 269 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: jiehattist terrorist criminal enterprise doing business as the Muslim Brotherhood 270 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: and various front groups. As you've mentioned, the Council on 271 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: American Islamic Relations notably so notorious that Governor Greg Abbett 272 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: actually designated them as a terrorist organization and as a 273 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: trans national criminal one as well. My point to our 274 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: audience is this win loser draw. We have to have 275 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: a real national reckoning about whether we're going to tolerate, 276 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: whether it's under the guise of the Turks or the Kataris, 277 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: or the Brotherhood or others, the further Islamification of our country, 278 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: the inexorable insertion here of Sharia, the subversion of our 279 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: constitutional republic, which is absolutely in the crosshairs of all 280 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: of these Sharia supremacists, Or whether we're going to take 281 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: the sorts of steps that, starting with banning the Bunsilim Brotherhood, 282 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: will spare our country the fate that Europe seems now 283 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: more and more likely to be consigned to, and to 284 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: the great dutriment of its people, obviously, but also the 285 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: free world. We'll pick up on this point on the 286 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: other side of the short break. Please stay tuned with us. 287 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to our third and final installment of our 288 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: interview with Rabbi Pessik Waaliki, the executive director of a 289 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: marvelous organization based in Israel, Israel three sixty five Action. 290 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: You can find it there at I Believe Israel three 291 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: sixty five action dot org and excuse me dot com, 292 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: and you can check out an incredible library now of videos, 293 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: including a brand new one that addresses what is going 294 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: wrong with American policy towards Israel and how it might 295 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: be righted, a topic that is absolutely of surpassing importance 296 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: given the imminent return for the fifth time of Prime 297 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: Minister Benjamin Natannehu to Washington to meet with the President 298 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: and others since Donald Trump returned to the White House, 299 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: and Rabbi wanted you to say a few words about 300 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: both the upcoming meeting which has been hastily arranged as 301 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: I understand it, as well as your insights captured in 302 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: this short video. 303 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: So this. 305 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: This meeting came about in the wake of airstrikes that 306 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: Israel carried out a week ago against some terrorist strongholds 307 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: in the south of Syria, pretty close to the Israeli border, 308 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: because ever since the outside regime fell and Israel moved 309 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: into a buffer zone in southern Syria in order to 310 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: protect the Druze villages there who were being massacred by 311 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: Ji terrorists who are aligned with the new regime, and 312 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: also to protect Israel from attack, because if a country's 313 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: being taken over by Isis al Kaeda Muslim Brotherhood aligned terrorists, 314 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: Israel wants to make sure that it's secure. So Israel 315 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: took a buffer zone and there's this town near there 316 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: where where terrorists were rebuilding their infrastructure, and Israel went 317 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: in there to arrest a few terrorists who were planning 318 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: attacks on Israel. It turned into a gunfight and eventually airstrikes, 319 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: and President Trump then put out a truth social post, 320 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: a tweet criticizing Israel, urging Israel to restrain itself, and 321 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: once again re emphasizing his support and his satisfaction with 322 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: the behavior of Ahmadashara, this jihadis turned statesman, who's now 323 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: the head of who's now the president of Syria. And 324 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: then he called Prime Minister Natanyahu and summoned him to Washington. 325 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: So the way it played in media was that this 326 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: has everything to do with Syria. But just the other 327 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: day was reported here in Israel on Channel fourteen by 328 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: Tamir Morag, who's one of the most well informed, one 329 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: of the most connected diplomatic correspondents in Israel. He reported 330 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: more details about the conversation between President Trump and Prime 331 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: Minister Natanyahu, which I don't believe have made it to 332 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 2: Western media yet that apparently in that conversation, President Trump 333 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: further pressured Prime Minister Nathanyahu to accept Turkish troops as 334 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: part of the international stabilization Force in the Gaza strip 335 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: because Prime Minister Indanyao has been adamant, and he was 336 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 2: adamant again on that phone call saying that we will 337 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: not allow any Turkish troops on the ground. Now, what's 338 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: fascinating about this is that all the other countries that 339 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: had pledged to be part of the international stabilists force, 340 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: whether it was the Pakistanis or the Indonesians, and the 341 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: other countries that we're talking about being involved in the 342 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 2: reconstruction effort in Gaza, like the Saudis and the Amoradis 343 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: and the Jordanians, have all been getting cold feet and 344 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: messaging that they might not want to be a part 345 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: of this, while at the same time, the Turks are 346 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: all eager beavers. They want to get involved to be 347 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: part of the international stabilization force. There's been reports in 348 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: the media that they that there have actually been been 349 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: urging President Trump to pressure the Israelis to allow them in. 350 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: And that's really what they're going to be talking about 351 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: in the visit in Washington, d C. But this is 352 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: not a separate topic from the issue of Syria and 353 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: the criticisms from the Trump administration against Israel for carrying 354 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: out those air strikes. Because as I mentioned earlier in 355 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: an earlier segment here with you, we have to remember 356 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: always that Ahmed A Shara, the new president of Syria, 357 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: this chihadist is a is a Turkish proc his organization, 358 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: his terrorist organization HTS, which toppled the Asad regime. It 359 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: was funded and armed by the Turks. Ever since he 360 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: took over, the Turks have been trying to rebuild Syrian military. 361 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: They've been trying to rebuild Syrian air defenses that Israel 362 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: took out. Just last month, Israel carried out air strikes 363 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: on a surface to air missile installation that the Turks 364 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: were in the process of installing in Syria, and Israel 365 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: took it out. So what's happening now is that PREMINISONA 366 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: is going to go to Washington and President Trump is 367 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: going to further pressure him to work with the Turks. 368 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: And now, the reason the Turks want to get into 369 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: Gaza is not because they want to be the ones 370 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 2: to disarm Ramas, it's just the opposite. They want to 371 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: get in there so they have a foothold on Israel's border. 372 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: And if you think back to prior to October seventh, 373 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: where Israel had a threat on the northern border from 374 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: Risbola and a southern border from Ramas, both of which 375 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: were proxies of the Iranian regime. Erdawan wants to replace Iran, 376 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: and he wants to have his militias on the northern 377 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: border because he controls Syria, and he wants to be 378 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip. And if he could get Turkish 379 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: troops on the ground in the Gaza Strip ostensibly to 380 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: stabilize the situation, he could also protect Khamas and have 381 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: a foothold there. Now, of course, no one would go 382 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: ahead and start attacking Israel wal Trump is in office, 383 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: because that could derail all their plans. But we always 384 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: have to remember that these dictators in the Middle East, 385 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: they don't have to worry about elections every four years. 386 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: They play a long game. And what Erduwan is trying 387 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: to do is entrench his militias and his proxies on 388 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Israel's borders, build them up under peaceful circumstances, so to speak, 389 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 2: until Trump is out of office, and then he's the 390 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: new Iran, threatening Israel on all sides. He's the new 391 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: Islamic hedgemon in the Middle East. That is what we 392 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: are seeing here. And if the Trump administration does not 393 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: wake up to the fact that the Turks and the Qataris, 394 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 2: who are a partnership, are not part of the same camp. 395 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: They're not part of the same group of nations states 396 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: as the Amiradis, the Saudis, the Jordanians and the Egyptians, 397 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: et cetera. If he doesn't wake up to what everyone 398 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: in the region here knows, this will only end in disaster. 399 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: You see, these Arab countries, even though their adversaries will 400 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: always talk the talk of getting along with each other, 401 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: and that's something that the Westerners don't get. The Trump 402 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: administration is really going down a path that is going 403 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: to lead to failure if they continue this love affair 404 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: with the Turks and the. 405 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: Katari disastrous failure at that. And I think, Rabbi, just 406 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: to put a fine point on what you said, what 407 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: they are interested in doing is having their own troops 408 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: on the ground. This isn't Iran and its proxies adjacent 409 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: to Israel. They want Turkish forces. Those forces can be 410 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: used against Israel if they are in Gaza, make no 411 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: mistake about it. Thank you for your time today, my friend, 412 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: and you're great expertise on all these matters. Thank you 413 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: for Israel three sixty five Action dot Com. Keep up 414 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: the great work. Come back to us again, so help 415 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: the rest of you do the same next time. Until then, 416 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: go forth and multiply. Welcome to Securing America with me, 417 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: Frank Affney, the program that's a kind of owner's manual 418 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: for protecting the country we love against all enemies foreign 419 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: and domestic, to the glory of God and his kingdom. 420 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the main thing, as we 421 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: often do on this program, and it is a distinct 422 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: privilege whenever we get to do it with a man 423 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: who has branded it as such. His name is Captain 424 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: James Finnel. He is a distinguished veteran of the United 425 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: States Navy, notably in its intelligence service. He finished up 426 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: his distinguished career in uniform as the chief off Excuse 427 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and Intelligence and Information Operations for the US Pacific Fleet. 428 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: He is these days a senior Fellow of the Geneva 429 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Center for Security Policy and the author, along with Doucler Bradley, 430 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Theair of an absolutely indispensable book embracing Communist China, America's 431 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Greatest strategic Failure. You can also find his columns with 432 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: regularity at American Greatness, Terrific online Resource Captain fanew Welcome Award. 433 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Good to have you as always, sir. 434 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: If Frank, good to be with you. 435 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: So I want to pick up on the theme of 436 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: embracing Communist China to ask you to make a contribution, 437 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: as we often do here, to a webinar that we 438 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: will be sponsoring with Committee on the Present Danger of 439 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: China on Friday at one pm Eastern time. We have 440 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: the benefit of pre recording with you frequently and using 441 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: these things for what I call it too for, so 442 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that our audience will tune in for that 443 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: purpose as well. At Present Danger China dot org. You 444 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: can subscribe to all of those webinars incredible resource, often 445 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: featuring Captain Panel. But I want, specifically, sir, if I can, 446 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: to draw you out on the idea which we talk 447 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: about with regularity, talk about America's greatest strategic failure not 448 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: only embracing the Chinese Communist Party, but actually underwriting it 449 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: with money from the pension funds and mutual funds and 450 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: exchange traded funds and other investment vehicles that most Americans, 451 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: I think unwittingly are turning over to managers on Wall 452 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: Street loan behold, a significant portion of those funds is 453 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: going into China. I'm asking you this in the context 454 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: of the subject of the webinar, which is that the 455 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, meant by the 456 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: name of Paul Atkins, has recently finally seemingly acknowledged that 457 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: maybe there's a problem with all of these investments in 458 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: China in his exchanges, and seemingly his intent on trying 459 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: to square that away a little bit, to use the 460 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: nautical term, could you give us just a sort of 461 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: level setting assessment of why we better be doing that 462 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: and what the stakes are for America. 463 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 4: Well, Frank, just as an American taxpayer myself, it irks 464 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: me to hear the sec chairman say that there's evidence 465 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: that the. 466 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: Chinese are violating our rules. 467 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: Essentially, they've been allowed to cheat and steal from Americans 468 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 4: in our stock exchange that many of us invest in 469 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 4: for our retirements and for our personal security. 470 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: So that irks me. 471 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 4: One. Two, we know companies like Timu and these other 472 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 4: Chinese companies that bend the rules and get in under 473 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: the regulation up until now where if you sold something 474 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: for less than eight or nine hundred dollars, you didn't 475 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: have to pay taxes. Well, everybody else is paying taxes. 476 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: It's just another example of the cheating. So all this 477 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 4: cheating's going on, it's stealing from Americans. 478 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: In that sense. 479 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 4: And then on the other side, the side that you're 480 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 4: asking me about, in the side that I study, which is, 481 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 4: so what happens with all that American money, that foreign 482 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 4: direct investment that goes back to China, goes back to 483 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 4: the Chinese Communist Party, it goes into in part the 484 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 4: People's Liberation Army, and I have witnessed, and you've witnessed 485 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 4: the largest military modernization program over the last quarter century 486 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 4: by the PLA, and not just their PLA, but their 487 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 4: Chinese Coast Guard, which is an arm of the People's 488 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: Liberation Army, and their campaign to essentially take back, or 489 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: not take back, but take territory that they claim is theirs. 490 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: Be at the islands in the South China Sea, be 491 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 4: at the Taiwan which is the big gem for them. 492 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 4: Or now what we've seen in the last month is 493 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 4: they're focused on Japan and the Sinkaku and now even 494 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 4: up into the Ryuku Islands and even the Kiro Islands 495 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 4: supporting Russia and their claims up there. So what we're 496 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: seeing is a communist party that has an ideology that 497 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: stands one hundred and eighty degrees against the American system, 498 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 4: the American fallosophy, the American belief in life, liberty, and 499 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 4: the pursuit of happiness. They are against that in the 500 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 4: sense that they believe in the power of the state 501 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 4: and the power of the individual is subservient to the 502 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 4: state in all cases. And they are now able to 503 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: export their worldview because they've received money mostly from America, 504 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 4: but from Europe and other places as well. That allows 505 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: them to arm themselves and to be able to coerce 506 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 4: other nations and threaten them with military force. And that's 507 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 4: why we see the Chinese Navy is the largest navy 508 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 4: on the planet. It has the largest number of anti 509 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 4: ship cruise missiles, hypersonic cruise missiles. It's got a growing 510 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 4: number of submarines, aircraft carriers. Fourth or their third aircraft 511 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 4: carrier was just commissioned here last month. A fourth one 512 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 4: is on the way. There's reports today that a Chinese 513 00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 4: expeditionary strike group led by a Type seven five amphibious 514 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 4: Assault Landing Helicopter LHD has gone into the Philippine Sea. 515 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: This will be the first time ever that an expeditionary 516 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: strike group, it's a forceship a group has gone into 517 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 4: the Philippine Sea out of the South China Sea. They've 518 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 4: already done that with their carriers over the last several years. 519 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: They're operating on a daily basis. There's a report out 520 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 4: today from Reuters that says there's one hundred ninety to 521 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 4: one hundred Chinese ships and Coastguard vessels that are operating 522 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 4: at sea right now today in the first and second 523 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: island chains of the Western Pacific. When I retired ten 524 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 4: years ago on twenty fifteen, after twenty nine years in 525 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 4: the Navy, the US seventh Fleet was always the dominant 526 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 4: naval force in the Western Pacific. And when you add 527 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 4: in our allies like the Maritime Self Defense Force from 528 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 4: Japan and our allies from Australia or the Philippines, we 529 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 4: were always the dominant the West. The United States and 530 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: our allies were always the dominant naval force in the 531 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 4: Western Pacific. But because of the thievery that's gone on 532 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 4: from the People's Republic of China, whether it's violated in 533 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 4: our sec rules or stealing intellectual property or being just 534 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 4: fed money from companies that are backed by the likes 535 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 4: of Jamie Diamond and others that think that it's okay 536 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 4: to give the. 537 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party money. 538 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 4: They are now in the position where they're the dominant 539 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 4: naval force and they're able to coerce nations and threaten 540 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 4: them to follow what they say, and they're going to 541 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 4: do that to us. They're already doing it in the 542 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 4: terms of what they've procured with the DF twenty six 543 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 4: anti ballistic missile or ballistic missile that's designed to send carriers, 544 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 4: but it can also be used against Guam. They've got 545 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 4: a whole plethora of air launched from aircraft missiles that 546 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 4: can hit Gwam from bombers. They've got submarines to contact Kuam. 547 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 4: They're putting their carrier out around Guam. So we have 548 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 4: a risk now of military forces that are in Guam. 549 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 4: Our military forces in Okinawa are certainly at risk. Our 550 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 4: naval forces in Yokuska and Tokyo Bay are at risk. 551 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 4: Our carriers and the seven fleets Destroyer Squadron fifteen are 552 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 4: at risk. So we have a lot of risk just 553 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 4: in the Western Pacific. But I'm asking people to consider 554 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 4: we twenty five years ago, all the experts in DC said, oh, 555 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 4: that'll never be a problem, don't worry about it. And 556 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 4: it's now clearly a real problem for us in the 557 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 4: Western Pacific. So ask yourself where it's going to be 558 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 4: in twenty five years, And I'm here to tell you, 559 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 4: if you live in Honolulu, you're going to have a problem, 560 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 4: and it may be it won't be much longer to 561 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 4: the West coast. So we have fed them and given 562 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 4: them money, and it's got to stop. And Americans can 563 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 4: do it themselves by not buying their stuff. 564 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: Not buying their stuff, and not investing in their companies, 565 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: including the PLA ones. Captain, we have to take a 566 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: short break'll be right back. We're back, and so praise God. 567 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: Is our friend and much admired colleague. Captain James Finnel, 568 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: United States Navy, retired, one of truly our country's most 569 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: distinguished naval intelligence officers and quite possibly intelligence officers period. 570 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: He has been continuing to serve our country long after 571 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: taking his young form off, by being very much in 572 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: the fight, helping the rest of us understand what the 573 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: Japanese excuse me, what the Chinese are doing, among others 574 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: to the Japanese at the moment. We'll talk about that 575 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: here in a second, but more broadly, what they intend 576 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: to do to us. And I so appreciate your leadership 577 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: in all of these areas, including that as a very 578 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: very important member of our committee on the President Danger China, Captain, 579 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: and I wanted to pick up on this bit about 580 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: Japan because one of the things that you've been helping 581 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: raise the alarm about is that we are confronting an 582 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: increasingly aggressive threat to Japan from communist China in a 583 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 1: whole host of ways, but not least you know, some 584 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: of these military capabilities you were talking about at the 585 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: first block are being brought to bear in various islands 586 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: of the Japanese homeland. This is a question that I 587 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: want to put in a broader context with you as well, 588 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: which is what we're being told that the United States 589 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: government has said to the Japanese, in the person of 590 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: President Trump, to their Prime minister, you know, just sort 591 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: of lower than your rhetoric against the Chinese. Is that 592 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: actually something that has happened, And more to the point, Jim, 593 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: is what's going on with American policy at the moment 594 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: consistent with that narrative that we are subordinating a lot 595 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: of things, a lot of concerns, a lot of potential 596 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: responses to problems emerging from China, to the idea that 597 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: we don't want to rock the boat on trade and 598 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: the sort of truce that has been negotiated to allow 599 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: rare minerals to continue to flow here for example. Your 600 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: thoughts on all of. 601 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 4: That sort, Yeah, Frank, There's been a lot said that 602 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 4: the Trump administration is subordinating it's dealings with the PRC 603 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 4: in order to get a trade deal, and so that 604 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 4: the president doesn't want to upset that deal. 605 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 3: And I understand that. 606 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 4: And as my friend Grant Nousen said to me today, 607 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: he goes, you know, the president's the man in the 608 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 4: arena right now, and we. 609 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 3: Wish him well. And I agree with that. 610 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 4: And I also would suggest that two things, not everything 611 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 4: has to be said loudly and in their face to 612 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 4: get across that we're actually continuing to go after the PRC. 613 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 4: And in my piece that I wrote for American Greatness 614 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 4: that was published here on Sunday morning, that's been up 615 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 4: all week entitled the Two Calls. Prime Minister Takeichi was 616 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 4: asked a question in the Diet their parliament on the 617 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 4: seventh of November, what would happen or what would it 618 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 4: mean if China were to invade Taiwan, And she said, Wow, 619 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 4: that would be a survival threatening event for Japan. And 620 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 4: there's some baggage there in terms of what that means 621 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 4: in terms of US Japan alliance and working together. But 622 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 4: she was answering an honest question or an honest answer. 623 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 3: To a question. I think it was a manipulative question. 624 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 4: And since that time, the Chinese government and even before 625 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 4: when they had their big military parade on three September 626 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 4: that was all about threatening Japan, they have come out 627 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 4: and just unprecedented level of rhetoric against the Japanese. And 628 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,959 Speaker 4: then on the twenty fourth of November, President Trump called 629 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 4: Shei shaping, and the Wall Street Journal falsely reported that 630 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 4: night that she had initiated the call, and that all 631 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 4: seemed strange to many of us who watched this, and 632 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 4: knowing that the Chinese leaders never initiate calls to the US. 633 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 4: And then lo and behold, the next morning, the Chinese 634 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 4: press came out and said, hey, we didn't initiate that call. 635 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 4: And then Secretary Treasury Bessett also confirmed that with CNBC 636 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 4: and said, no, we called them because we said we 637 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 4: would when we met in Bussan to discuss the trade deal, 638 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 4: So that was a lie. Then the same reporters from 639 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 4: the Wall Street Journal on Thursday said that, oh, by 640 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 4: the way, we know what President Trump said to President 641 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 4: Takeiichi because we have unnamed sources, and they said allegedly 642 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 4: that President Trump called Prime Minister Takichi and warned her 643 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 4: not to be provocative to the Chinese. I do not 644 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 4: believe that is true, but unfortunately, the way the press 645 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 4: works today, that got amplified by Reuters and the New 646 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 4: York Times and the Washington Post and Bloomberg and you 647 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 4: name it. 648 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: All. 649 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 4: The Western press came out and repeated it without any 650 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 4: new evidence. What we do know is is that after 651 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 4: that phone call from President Trump to President Takichi, which 652 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 4: they denied publicly and formally, the government of Japan said no, 653 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 4: they didn't say. 654 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 3: President Trump did not say that to us. 655 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 4: The next few days afterwards, Prime Minister Takichi dispensed her 656 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 4: defense minister to Yanagouni, which is one of the southern 657 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 4: Japanese islands to inspect for a surface to air missile 658 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 4: battery to be in place there. Hardly the action of 659 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 4: somebody has been cowtown. And then there's been other activities 660 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 4: that Chinese started sending ships within twelve nautical miles of 661 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 4: the Sinkoku Islands, and the Japanese sent down their coastguard 662 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 4: vessels to drive them out, so the Chinese claimed counter 663 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is that Japanese didn't 664 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 4: back down and not bending a knee, and they had 665 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 4: demanded that the Prime Minister recant her statement, and she 666 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 4: hasn't done that. I don't expect that she will. So 667 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 4: I don't think President Trump did anything except elevate the 668 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 4: status of Japan as a coequal with China when it 669 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 4: comes to discussing regional security and regional issues in the 670 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 4: Far East. That had never happened before. Where a president 671 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 4: of the United States had called the president of China 672 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 4: and then in the same day hours later would call 673 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 4: the Prime Minister of Japan. 674 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 3: That's never happened. So what I took. 675 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 4: Away from it was as President Trump was quietly telling 676 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 4: j juping, Hey, guess what when I talk to you, 677 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 4: then I'm going to talk to my ally Japan. And 678 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 4: then this week we just saw when it relates to 679 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 4: Taiwan specifically, President Trump signed the Taiwan Assurance Implementation Act, 680 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 4: which now will make the State Department review our interactions 681 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 4: with Taiwan. And the expectation is is that this self 682 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 4: regulation that we've been putting on ourselves not to engage 683 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 4: with Taiwan in military to military and deeper engagement, those 684 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 4: constraints that we've self imposed are going to be lifted. 685 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 4: So I think quietly President Trump is doing the things 686 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 4: that need to be done while he still wants to 687 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 4: get this trade deal because he knows that it will 688 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,479 Speaker 4: bring economic benefit to Americans in the short term, while 689 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 4: we can still then recover from this rare earth element 690 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 4: and other critical shortfalls that we have for our own 691 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 4: national defense. 692 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 3: So he's the man in the arena. He's playing the game. 693 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's not a game, but he's playing it 694 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,520 Speaker 4: very well in my opinion. 695 00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 3: And you can. 696 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 4: See where he is not given in an inch to China, 697 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 4: but he's not doing it in a braggadocious way or 698 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 4: an in your face way. And I think you know 699 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 4: my inclinations and my personality would be to do it differently. 700 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 4: But I'm now learning from watching and I'm coming around 701 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 4: accepting that this may be successful, and we have to 702 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 4: what is the alternative walk into Gi and tell him 703 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 4: you hate him and then watch him stop selling this 704 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 4: rare earth elements or something like that, which would put 705 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 4: us in a crisis. So it's a delicate balance that 706 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 4: he has to walk right now. But there are signals 707 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 4: and elements that he's doing that are reshaping the security environment. 708 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, the left always criticized President 709 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 4: Trump is not caring about our alliances. Well, calling Prime 710 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 4: Minister Takei Ichi after President Zi is a huge boon 711 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 4: to our alliance with Japan. And this new Taiwan Assurance 712 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 4: Implementation Act signals to the people of Taiwan that the 713 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 4: and I States under this administration want to work closely 714 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,720 Speaker 4: with them to help them defend themselves. And it's causing 715 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 4: the Tailawns to do more than they've had in the 716 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 4: past to demonstrate that they're really serious about their defenses. 717 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: Well, this is a good report, Jim. I think on 718 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: balance and optimistic, to be sure, but I think it's 719 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: got to be in the mix as well. As some 720 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: things that are concerning, one of which is, and we'll 721 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: have to take this up on another occasion with you, 722 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: this defense National defense strategy, it's called. That has been 723 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: a warning now for months and months and months, and 724 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: we're very anxious to see the tone that it strikes 725 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: and the policy direction that it gives on China. But 726 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: that will be for another day's call. Thank you, Jim 727 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: Finel for your extraordinary leadership and continuing service to our country. 728 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: I know you'll keep it up. I look forward to 729 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,359 Speaker 1: talking to you next week. God bless you, my friend. Stay. 730 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: Two folks will be right back with much more right 731 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: after this