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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Everybody loves Panera Bread, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean my mother lives off some of their soup.

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Speaker 1: containers to get for her Panera bread. Right. Well, apparently

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Speaker 1: not everybody loves Panera Bread, including a young athlete that

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Speaker 1: claims their lemonade sent her to the er and that

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Speaker 1: she'll never be the same. Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: and on serious six sem one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Scarett is twenty eight years old and in top

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Speaker 2: shape as an athlete an obstacle course racer. Being in

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Speaker 2: fantastic physical shape is a necessity. The Rhode Islander stops

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Speaker 2: by Panera Bread in Greenville and drinks two and a

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Speaker 2: half servings of Panera Bread's charged lemonade. The next day,

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Speaker 2: her with a heart condition that can lead to stroke

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Speaker 2: and other complications known as atrial fibrillation.

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Speaker 1: Atrial fibrillation hold on joining me, Doctor Harvey Castro board

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Speaker 1: certified Emergency care physician and consultant. You can find them

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Speaker 1: at Harveycastro MD dot info. Doctor Castro. What is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, atrial fibrillation? Just think of it this way. There's

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Speaker 4: Of the heart.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, wow, whoa whoa whoa doctor. As you doctors

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Speaker 1: a JD. Slow it down. Okay, what atrial fibrillation? Go ahead, So.

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Speaker 3: Basically, think of it this way. The heart is not

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Because the blood begins to pool, yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: to coagulate to a tiny degree and make a minuscule clot,

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 1: What is a stroke?

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Speaker 3: So unfortunately on these like you into the little quagable plot.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand something. In addition to doctor Harvey Castro,

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Speaker 1: renowned physician and by the way, creator of text Sherlock

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Speaker 1: Holmes Crime AI, which is amazing. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I had time to do that, but you know I'm

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Speaker 1: into Charlot calms. Correct. My son and I watch all

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Speaker 1: Sherlock Calms and we quite often go to our mind palasis.

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Speaker 1: Ben Keslyn with us reporter at the Messenger. Ben, you

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Speaker 1: don't typically think of someone like Laurence Skirit, just twenty

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Speaker 6: And you know in her lawsuit she talks about how

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Speaker 1: Whit she's pregnant.

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Speaker 6: No, she's not pregnant, but this condition will make her

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Speaker 1: Doctor Harvey Cashrow, Okay, I believe everything that Ben Casla

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Speaker 1: Ben Cass, I'm trying to put all of this in.

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Speaker 1: hey they're talking about. And that's happening right now. You

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Speaker 7: Prior to drinking the charged lemonades at a Greenville, Rhode Island,

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Speaker 7: She now suffers long term and permanent cardiac issues?

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to Dave Matt from Crime Online.

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Speaker 9: The heart problems that Lauren Scarett says was brought on

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Harvey Castro, before I would take a

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Speaker 1: drink this supercharged which means supercharge. That's a nice way

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Speaker 3: So I want people to be aware that there's caffeine

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, guys, what exactly was

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Speaker 1: Lauren's skirt drinking? And I don't want to be a spoiler,

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Speaker 2: of the charge lemonade, as the drinks are advertised as

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Speaker 2: quote clean, plant based and naturally flavored. As an occupational

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel in addition to Ben

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Speaker 1: Kesslin from The Messenger, Doctor Harvey Castro, renowned physician. Also

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Speaker 1: with me Dorian Bond, high profile PI private detective Karen Start,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychologist and criminal defense attorney. Dale Carson, former FBI,

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Speaker 1: former beatcop Miami Dade, author of Arrest Proof Yourself at

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Speaker 1: Dalecarsonlaw dot com. Dale Carson, Hey, listen, yes, ma'am. At first,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking this one drink did this to her?

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Speaker 1: But can I tell you what happened to me? I'm

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Speaker 1: I did my first dance on Dancing with the Stars. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said, drink this. I drank it. I had an

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so there are efficient like exactly is three hundred

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Speaker 1: So let me understand something, and anybody jump in. What

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Speaker 1: Hold on Sidney's waving something at me. Coffee one hundred

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have Dorian everybody. Dorian is a very well

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Speaker 1: it true? Ben Kesln joining us from the messenger. She

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Speaker 1: doctor Kasho said arrhythmia. But Ben, she's not the first

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Speaker 5: No, so she's the other two people who will.

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Speaker 6: The other two lawsuits against Panera are from the family

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Speaker 6: these two people died after drinking this Panara lemonade. One

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Speaker 5: He had high blood.

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Speaker 1: Man, you think they take it off the menu, right,

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Speaker 1: or at least changed their warning from clean natural. So Caslyn,

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Speaker 8: Oh, you're going to see some commercials. You're going to

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Speaker 8: You know exactly what your previous contributor said that people

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm surprised that that Panera ba didn't pull

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Speaker 1: And another thing, Dorian brand, have you ever been to

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Speaker 1: Have you seen people coming out we're like this giant drink?

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Speaker 4: This is minor that the addition of even three hundred

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, why don't you tell that to

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Speaker 7: Lauren Scarrett's lawsuit against Panera Bread over their charged lemonade

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Speaker 1: Whoa the sip club customers urge to drink unlimited Panera

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Speaker 7: As a rule, forty six year old Dennis Brown doesn't

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean three is quite the amount in

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Speaker 6: I remember Sarah Cassa's lawyer did an interview and she

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Speaker 6: Nobody really thinks that maybe they know there's some sugar

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Speaker 6: getting in over their head with a lemonade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think band that it's water, lemon jeese

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Speaker 1: and sugar or artificial sweetener, one of the two exactly.

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Speaker 6: And you know Panera has now put a warning on

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Speaker 6: it that tells people, you know, how much caffeine is

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Speaker 6: in in the drink. But you have to think about

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Speaker 6: the fact too that I don't think your average person

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Speaker 6: knows you know, what that means. When you hear three

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Speaker 6: hundred and ninety milligrams of caffeine, it could seem like

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Speaker 6: a lot to you. It could also not seem like

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Speaker 6: a lot to you, you know, because you don't necessarily

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Speaker 6: know how much caffeine is in a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 6: So just even hearing the amount might not do it

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Speaker 6: for a lot of people for them to know, you know, hey,

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Speaker 6: this stuff is serious. Don't drink three.

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Speaker 1: When did they put that warning?

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Speaker 4: Ben?

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Speaker 5: After the lawsuits?

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Speaker 10: So Nancy, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jump in plays.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm thinking they put that warning. Isn't that an

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Speaker 10: acknowledgement that something was wrong? So they had to go

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Speaker 10: back and put that warning in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, under sure, all you're allowed to do that.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to do what to warn.

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Speaker 4: People after an event and not have it later.

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Speaker 1: I know, well that's in court. We're not in court.

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Speaker 1: Look around, are you in a courtroom? No you're not,

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Speaker 1: she said, After all this, they put a warning, and

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Speaker 1: that does say something to me. Of course, he's right.

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Speaker 1: Dell Carson is right. That can't be used against them

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Speaker 1: at trial, if there ever is a trial, because they

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Speaker 1: put a warning, but it does suggest they realized something

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Speaker 1: was very, very wrong. Guys, I want you to take

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Speaker 1: a listen to the Panera response and our cut fourteen

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Speaker 1: about what they had to say after mister Brown died.

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Speaker 9: Panera Bread, in a statement to USA Today, denied any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 9: Panera expresses our deep sympathy from mister Brown's family, but

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Speaker 9: that based on its investigation, the company believes his unfortunate

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Speaker 9: passing was not caused by one of the company's products.

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Speaker 1: Guys, this is not the first time that people have

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Speaker 1: literally died after an energy drink. Anybody ever heard of

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Speaker 1: four Loco Take a listener. Cut twenty six.

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Speaker 9: An apartment manager in Huntington Beach, California, calls police after

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Speaker 9: seeing two teens in a vacant apartment looking through the window.

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Speaker 9: The manager couldn't tell if they were asleep or dead.

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Speaker 9: Police arrive and discover fifteen year old Aaron Says and

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Speaker 9: sixteen year old Chelsea Taylor are dead and right next

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Speaker 9: to their bodies an empty can of for Loco for Loco,

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Speaker 9: which has been dubbed Blackout in a can by some drinkers,

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Speaker 9: sells for under three dollars and contains as much alcohol

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Speaker 9: as nearly five beers and as much caffeine as several

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Speaker 9: cups of coffee. For Loco has been banned in several states.

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Speaker 1: For Loco contains as much caffeine as several cups of coffee.

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Speaker 1: And a fifteen year old Aaron Sands a sixteen year

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Speaker 1: old Chelsea Taylor are dead after drinking four loco Blackout

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Speaker 1: and a can. You know what's really interesting to Dorian

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Speaker 1: Bond joining us a veteran private investigator. Dorian, until I

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Speaker 1: started investigating this charge lemona case by Panera, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize all the deaths that had occurred following consumption of

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Speaker 1: energy drinks. I didn't even know what four loco is.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've heard of that several years ago. And there's

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Speaker 8: a big craze because a lot of teenage kids they

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Speaker 8: think they they need to stay up till three o'clock

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Speaker 8: in the morning and then get up at seven, and

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Speaker 8: they need an energy drink, and so they slamm these

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Speaker 8: four locos or you know whatever, monster energy drinks. I

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Speaker 8: think they're going to last the entire day, and then

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Speaker 8: it gets the kids hooked on it, just like coffee.

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Speaker 8: When you start drinking coffee, you get hooked on it.

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Speaker 8: And it's affecting a lot of the you know, teenage

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Speaker 8: kids and you know people that are going to school

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Speaker 8: that they've got to stay up for a long period

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Speaker 8: of time. They go after that four local You know,

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Speaker 8: I was on college campus the other day and they're

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Speaker 8: selling energy drinks, you know, in the vending machines for

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Speaker 8: the kids.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the connection, Dorian, I did not know.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just traditional energy drinks. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to more from Dave Mack.

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Speaker 9: In South Carolina, David Cripe is a drum loving, amazing

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Speaker 9: sixteen year old that has devoted time to helping teens

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Speaker 9: stay away from drugs and alcohol. As Davis Cripe is

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Speaker 9: heading into a class at school, he chugs an energy drink.

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Speaker 9: On this particular day, he had already had a large

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Speaker 9: diamountain dew, a cafe latte from McDonald's. Then the energy drink.

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Speaker 9: It turns out it was so much caffeine it caused

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Speaker 9: arrhythmia and the sixteen year old Davis Kripe died from

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Speaker 9: the caffeine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm reeling because that's my go to coffee, a

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Speaker 1: large McDonald's coffee with two creams in it. This kid,

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Speaker 1: just sixteen topped it off with an energy drink and

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Speaker 1: it caused a rhythmia. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Harvey Castro with US Board Certified physician. Arrhythmia that's different

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Speaker 1: from what our earlier victims suffered.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, there's different types of rhythms, and we as

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Speaker 3: a general classification of all of them, we just call

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Speaker 3: them aid. With me, it's anything that's not normal rhythm.

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Speaker 1: How can an abnormal arrhythmia or rhythm, heartbeat rhythm kill you?

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, caffeine can change the chemical structure, the way it works,

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Speaker 3: the way the heart works, and because of that, it

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Speaker 3: can start doing abnormal rhythms, and those abnormal rhythms can

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Speaker 3: literally kill you, depending on which abnormal rhythm you obtain.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about young people in their twenties now,

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Speaker 1: as young as fifteen sixteen. Now, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: a case regarding nineteen year old Alex Morris.

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Speaker 9: At nineteen years old, Alex Morris has been drinking energy drinks.

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Speaker 9: And sodas with caffeine since he was sixteen. But on

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Speaker 9: this day, Alex Morris had two sixteen ounce cans of

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Speaker 9: an energy drink in the preceding twenty four hours, just

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Speaker 9: as he had been doing for the last three years.

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Speaker 9: Only this time the caffeine and the energy drinks caused arrhythmia,

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Speaker 9: and Alex Morris died. The family lawyer says Alex Morris

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Speaker 9: died from drinking an energy.

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Speaker 1: Drink and more. Take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Travis Humphrey is the picture of health. At twenty one

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Speaker 9: years old. Humphrey has no health conditions. He's never sick

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Speaker 9: with more than the common cold. But two weeks before

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Speaker 9: his twenty second birthday, Travis Humphrey dies. His official cause

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Speaker 9: of death cardiac arrhythmia due to Monster Energy Drinks, a

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Speaker 9: drink they can be purchased next to sodas and Gatorade

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Speaker 9: at most convenience stores.

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Speaker 1: It all seems so innocuous, so innocent, right, They're dead

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Speaker 1: and I'm not stopping now. Listen.

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Speaker 11: Anice Fournier spends the afternoon with a friend at the mall,

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Speaker 11: and the two returned to her house or a sleepover.

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Speaker 11: A niece suddenly loses consciousness and her friend gets her

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Speaker 11: mother for help. The fourteen year old's eyes roll back

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Speaker 11: and she stops breathing. Her mother performs CPR while on

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Speaker 11: the phone with nine one one. She questions a niece's

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Speaker 11: friend about their activities that day, and they admit that

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Speaker 11: they each had an energy drink at the mall. It

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Speaker 11: takes first responders four rounds of defibrillation to stabilize a

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Speaker 11: niece before she's airlifted to Johns Hopkins Hospital after forty

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Speaker 11: eight hours of intensive treatment. Doctors attempt to bring a

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Speaker 11: niece out of sedation, but she seeses multiple times. Her

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Speaker 11: heart rate becomes more erratic, and one of her lungs collapses.

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Speaker 11: Five days after she's admitted for treatment, a niece is

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Speaker 11: declared brain dead. Her official cause of death is listed

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Speaker 11: as cardiac arrhythmia due to caffeine toxicity.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, some people would refer to as a protective

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Speaker 1: mother as a helicopter mom. I refer to myself as

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Speaker 1: a straight jacket mom because I try to do everything

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Speaker 1: in anything I can to protect John david In. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea about all these deaths following energy drinks.

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Speaker 1: These two little girls at the mall fourteen they had

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Speaker 1: an energy drink and the girl is dead cardiac arrhythmia.

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Speaker 1: Do you to cafeine toxicity?

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Speaker 10: And I feel like as a mother, it makes sense

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Speaker 10: that you would want to be really careful, Nancy, because

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Speaker 10: you never really know if there's some kind of a

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Speaker 10: hard problem at least that's what until you've become an

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Speaker 10: adult maybe and you get your hard tested. I think

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Speaker 10: that you have to be careful. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 10: you can't allow them to have anything they that you

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Speaker 10: think is okay, or things that seem innocent, but something

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Speaker 10: like this where there's potential to cause medical harm, I

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Speaker 10: think any mother should be really careful.

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Speaker 5: A lot of these drinks, you know, they're bright colored,

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Speaker 5: they're paink some of them, you know, they look fun

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Speaker 5: if you're a fourteen year old and you see them

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Speaker 5: in the store, it's in some ways it's being marketed

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Speaker 5: towards someone like you, you know, And that's a lot

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Speaker 5: of caffeine for a really young kid, you know.

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Speaker 1: What, Ben, that's a really good point. The colors like

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Speaker 1: candy is marketed toward children. It can have all types

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Speaker 1: of neon colors to it, and the positioning beside other

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Speaker 1: drinks that teams would like and children would like to

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Speaker 1: get their mits on. Do I hear Dale Carson jumping.

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Speaker 4: In, Yes, ma'am. When I was crosstreamed with the DDA

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Speaker 4: and the Grunco, you know it was it was discussed

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Speaker 4: that caffeine today would be a scheduled narcotic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are.

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Speaker 10: There are people I and I have read about it,

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Speaker 10: and I think Dale Carson is absolutely right that they

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Speaker 10: are saying that most of us are addicted to caffeine.

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Speaker 10: Caffeine is addicted. Caffeine can be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: It's since we.

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Speaker 10: Don't think about it because everybody wants to start the

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Speaker 10: day with their cups of coffee.

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Speaker 1: Well, Karen start You lived through this with me. Remember

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have children so badly and the doctor

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Speaker 1: said get off coffee. I also a coffee freak that

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Speaker 1: people would actually give me exotic coffees for Christmas because

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Speaker 1: I didn't want anything else. Then I got off and

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Speaker 1: I managed to get pregnant with the twins, and I

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Speaker 1: got to thinking, Karen, if that was required for me

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Speaker 1: to get pregnant, it can't be good for your body.

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Speaker 1: So I switched to tea at that time. You're absolutely right, guys,

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Speaker 1: is the name Andrew James ring a bell? It didn't before,

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Speaker 1: it does now listen.

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Speaker 11: Andrew James spends the afternoon with his cousin. The two

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Speaker 11: watch a movie, grab a meal, visit james brother, and

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Speaker 11: plan to finish their day spending time with a friend.

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Speaker 11: On the drive between the two homes, James and his

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Speaker 11: cousin stop at a convenience store for drinks. The two

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Speaker 11: joke back and forth about trying Monster Nitrous energy drinks

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Speaker 11: and each get one. When they arrive at the friend's

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Speaker 11: home just minutes later, James says he doesn't feel well, vomits,

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Speaker 11: then collapses and convulses.

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Speaker 1: The cousin calls nine one one and tries to perform.

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Speaker 11: CPR, but by the time EMT's arrive, Andrew James, just nineteen,

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Speaker 11: is dead. Two days after James's death, his mother pleads

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Speaker 11: with James's brother and cousin to tell her if they

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Speaker 11: were doing drugs or drinking. They pull a can of

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Speaker 11: Monster Nitrous out of the fridge and tell her this

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Speaker 11: is what killed Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Andrew James and Brian Shepherd listens.

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Speaker 11: Brian Shepherd, fifteen, relishes victory with his teammates after a

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Speaker 11: second place win in a competitive paintball tournament. The team

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Speaker 11: meets dinner together and is waiting for the evening's award ceremony,

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Speaker 11: enjoying several vendor booths, peddling gear and other performance equipment.

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Speaker 11: Red Bull is giving out free samples, and of course,

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Speaker 11: the fifteen year old partakes. Fifteen minutes later, Shephard collapses

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Speaker 11: and convulses. First responders work tirelessly to correct an arrhythmia,

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Speaker 11: but Shepherd dies in the hospital hours later. The cause

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Speaker 11: of Shepherd's arrhythmia was never determined, but his family believes

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Speaker 11: that energy drink, the only one Shepherd ever had, is

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Speaker 11: to blame.

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Speaker 1: Guys. I've been telling giving you cases, true life cases

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Speaker 1: of teens and people in their twenties literally keeling over

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Speaker 1: after energy drink or heavy caffeine consumption in seemingly all

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Speaker 1: natural drinks, but adults as well. What about this super

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Speaker 1: fit father Thomas Mansfield.

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Speaker 9: Thomas Mansfield is a personal trainer and security guard. The

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Speaker 9: super fit father of two orders packets of a caffeine

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Speaker 9: powder mixture so he can make his energy drinks at home.

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Speaker 9: Mansfield makes a mixture of his drink, takes a sip,

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Speaker 9: then chugs the rest. Minutes later, his wife, Susannah, sees

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Speaker 9: Mansfield frothing at the mouth. She runs outside to get

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Speaker 9: help from neighbors and family. As she calls for an ambulance.

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Speaker 9: Paramedics arrive quickly and note Mansfield's grossly abnormal heart rhythm.

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Speaker 9: Twenty nine year old Thomas Manfield dies later at the hospital.

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Speaker 9: Cause of death due to caffeine toxicity. Mansfield made a

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Speaker 9: mistake mixing his drink at home and ended up ingesting

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Speaker 9: a drink with the caffeine equivalent to two hundred cups

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Speaker 9: of coffee.

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Speaker 1: Ben Kesslin, joining us from the messenger man, I predict

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Speaker 1: that the lawyers for Lauren Skirritt are going to do

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Speaker 1: as Dorian Brown suggested, send out commercials notices online regarding

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Speaker 1: the paneer bread quote charge, lemonade quote drink and any

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Speaker 1: health problems following it. I predict that there will be

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Speaker 1: more alleged victims to join this case, Ben Kesslin, where

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Speaker 1: does the case stand right now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, right now there's three cases.

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Speaker 6: I think you're right, Nancy, that we could definitely see

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Speaker 6: more down the line. You know, all of these victims

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Speaker 6: are doing victims or their families on Behalf of the

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Speaker 6: victims are sueing for damages, but the cases are still

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Speaker 6: in progress. It's not great time for Panera either, because

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Speaker 6: there's lots of reports that they're trying to go public

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Speaker 6: and you know, have filed for an IPO, so you

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Speaker 6: have a company that right now, whenever you hear the

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Speaker 6: word Panara, this is what.

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Speaker 5: People are talking about. But yeah, we'll see what happens

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Speaker 5: with these three cases.

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Speaker 6: There's no word on whether they'll settle or they'll go

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Speaker 6: to court. It's still pretty far off from that.

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Speaker 1: We reached out to Panera Bread for their response and

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Speaker 1: as of right now, have heard nothing. Laurence Garrett, Dennis Brown,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Katz. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,