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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: On your mind a commentator, international social media sensation and

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Persovic.

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Speaker 4: Christ is Kay Morning Day twenty eight. If the government

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Speaker 4: now careening toward a hunger crisis, forty eight states now

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Speaker 4: warning if the shutdown continues by the end of the week,

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Speaker 5: If they can take away these snaps, these nap benefits.

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Speaker 5: When does we snap it? When is the dame? Because

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Speaker 5: don't have me going in the grocery store and y'all

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Speaker 6: I'm running too. I mean, shutdowns are terrible and of

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Speaker 6: course there will be, you know, families that are going

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Speaker 2: The Department of Justice is getting involved with New Jersey's election,

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Speaker 7: US kills fourteen alleged drug traffickers and strikes on four

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Speaker 7: boats in Eastern Pacific. That's according to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Yesterday,

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Speaker 7: at the direction of President Trump, the Department of War

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Speaker 8: The man accused of assassinating conservative political activist Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 8: was back in court today. Twenty two year old Tyler

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack with sobey here we are live Human

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Speaker 1: Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We are here today is

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Speaker 1: October twenty eight, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Anno Domini.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, as you know, we've been covering the murder

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Speaker 3: I was live the day that Charlie was shot.

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Speaker 1: Go back and watch the episode. I haven't gone back

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Speaker 1: We've been doing it every day we're here, and in

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Speaker 1: lawyers here at the courtroom in Tyler Robinson's case that

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Speaker 1: And so you've got these lead behind networks, you've got

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they have networks all across Western Europe. And in fact,

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Speaker 3: Battering ramp to promote those stocks.

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Speaker 9: The same thing in the public health space. Look at

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Speaker 1: Pfizer exactly, and they don't even realize it half the

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Speaker 1: want to point out that not only did Mark Bray

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Speaker 1: head over to Spain seamlessly integrate with Spanish anarchists, which

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who's now take doctor Antifa Who's

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Speaker 3: Spain and'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Jack POSOBC Mike Ben's Human Events.

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Speaker 9: You talk about influences, These are influences.

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Speaker 10: And their friends and mine.

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Speaker 1: Mike Ben's We're on live. We're talking about these networks,

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Speaker 1: international networks of Antifa. They've got journalists, they've got reporters,

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Speaker 1: they've got professors, they've got direct action militants and agitators.

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Speaker 1: The question is what should the federal government be doing

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Speaker 9: I consider Antifa and US government adjacency adjacencies to it

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Speaker 9: I just stood up a interagency working group on Weaponization

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Speaker 9: And simply look for all Antifa adjacencies blessed by the

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Speaker 9: That's right, it goes straight from targeting the SI's enemies

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Speaker 3: In investigated Mike Benz, Mike Beck all those.

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Speaker 3: Benz will get you in.

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Speaker 1: We will do the work of digging all the way

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Speaker 3: Right back's Jack.

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Speaker 1: have it during the show, and we do have it.

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Speaker 1: This letter that is now in draft form is about

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Speaker 1: to be published, but we've got a copy of it

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Speaker 1: that I want to show here right for you. Humanevents

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Speaker 1: dot com. So Human Events Media Group, that's the official

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Speaker 1: name of our company, is going to be publishing this

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Speaker 1: open letter to the Honorable Tony F. Junior of the

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Speaker 1: Fourth District Court of Utah County, State of Utah, and

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Speaker 1: it states Human Events Media Group, a national news organization

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Speaker 1: committed to transparent and accountable reporting, respectfully urges this Court

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Speaker 1: to deny any motion to prohibit video, photographic, or livestream

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Speaker 1: coverage of pre trial and trial proceedings in the capital

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Speaker 1: prosecution of Tyler James Robinson for the murder of conservative

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Speaker 1: activist and leader Charlie Kirk. Such a ban would violate

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Speaker 1: US law, US Supreme Court president First Amendment protections, and

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Speaker 1: the public's fundamental right of access to judicial proceedings. And

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Speaker 1: now we've got all the citations there, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to want to dig in on two specific points before

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Speaker 1: we bring our guest in here, and this is Utah

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Speaker 1: Code of Judicial Administration Rule four dash four oh one

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Speaker 1: point zero one.

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Speaker 3: And here's what's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It says that in Utah, there is a presumption that

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Speaker 1: electronic media coverage by a news reporter shall be permitted

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Speaker 1: in public seatings where the predominant purpose of the electronic

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Speaker 1: media coverage request is journalism or dissemination of news to

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Speaker 1: the public.

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Speaker 3: The law states a.

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Speaker 1: Court may decline to permit cameras if the court determines, quote,

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Speaker 1: there is a reasonable likelihood that media coverage will prejudice

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Speaker 1: the right of the parties to affair proceeding. So here's

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Speaker 1: the idea that the presumption is already there under Utah law. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is very expensive compared to other states that don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have this, and so restricting camera access, restricting live

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Speaker 1: streaming obviously would be a huge problem. And treat pre

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Speaker 1: trial publicity alone does not justify camera bans. We cover

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Speaker 1: that in this We're going to publish this all at

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Speaker 1: humanevents dot com.

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Speaker 3: And here's a piece that I wanted to put in.

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Speaker 1: In section four, we wrote, banning cameras would amplify misinformation,

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Speaker 1: not reduce it. In the absence of official courtroom footage,

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Speaker 1: speculative secondary content on YouTube or AI generated re enactments

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Speaker 1: partisan edits would fill the void. This would stand to increase,

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Speaker 1: not decrease, prejudicial distortion. Live unedited coverage is the most

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Speaker 1: reliable antidote to misinformation, allowing the public to see proceedings

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Speaker 1: as they occur, not as filtered through third party narratives.

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Speaker 1: And so this is all going to go up at

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Speaker 1: humanevents dot com. We're going to be delivering this to

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Speaker 1: the court very soon. It's really simple. Look, I want

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Speaker 1: everyone to have all of the evidence available. I want

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Speaker 1: everyone to ask for evidence. I want people to be skeptical.

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Speaker 1: I want people to ask questions and push for it.

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Speaker 1: But what I don't want are bans on cameras and

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Speaker 1: bans on evidence that could be coming out.

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Speaker 3: Joining with me to.

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Speaker 1: Discuss this and other legal matters, Will Chamberlain of the

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Speaker 1: Article three project, Will what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man? Going to be with you Jack as always so Will.

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Speaker 1: I called you this morning with this crazy idea that

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Speaker 1: we're going to throw together this letter, and we've put

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Speaker 1: it together.

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you think about this question?

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Speaker 1: And I kind of get where where the judge is

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Speaker 1: coming from, or I should say not the judge, but

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Speaker 1: the attorneys are coming from. So they're trying to their

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Speaker 1: argument is, well, if we allow all this public consumption,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to have a fair

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Speaker 1: trial because this is going to prejudice the jury pool

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Speaker 1: and perhaps create undue interest in the case. And therefore,

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Speaker 1: you know, and therefore you know that's why we should

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Speaker 1: ban cameras. And you also, of course hear this in

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Speaker 1: federal court as well. What's a good response to.

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Speaker 10: That, Well, I think that there's a fundamental presumption that

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Speaker 10: these are these courts are these that proceedings are open

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Speaker 10: to the public. Right, courthouses are open. They can be

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Speaker 10: reported on court. You know, people show up and report

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Speaker 10: on them all the time. And there's a reason for that.

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Speaker 10: Justice is supposed to be done in public, so that

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Speaker 10: we're confident that the system is transparent and operating as

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Speaker 10: according to law. That's I think necessary here. There's an

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Speaker 10: enormous public interest in this trial for obvious reasons, and

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Speaker 10: therefore there's also an enormous public interest in ensuring that

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Speaker 10: the trial is conducted transparently and curubulously in accordance with law.

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Speaker 10: So I think that that's part of the reason why

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Speaker 10: these trans proceedings should be public and the public is

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Speaker 10: right to be interested in this. This was the most

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Speaker 10: high profile assassination of an American in a very very

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Speaker 10: long time, probably since Kennedy actually in terms of the

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Speaker 10: successful assassination. So it's something we should have the right

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Speaker 10: to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's really as simple as that to me.

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Speaker 1: And and look, these are always done in public, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's part of our tradition in terms

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Speaker 1: of the public court system.

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Speaker 3: It is public justice. Yes, it is meant to be

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Speaker 3: done in public.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, for folks who don't know, if

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Speaker 1: you ever and I've covered a number of trials DC Area,

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Speaker 1: covered trials in Virginia, you can just go. You can

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Speaker 1: literally just go. And there are members of the public

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Speaker 1: who just show up. And this is part of the point.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's there's you know, uh, space restrictions and physical limitations,

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Speaker 1: but there will be overflow rooms if there are cases.

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Speaker 1: There are media rooms if you're credentialed media, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: All of this is done from the point of saying

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Speaker 1: that if this person is to face whatever judgment they receive,

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Speaker 1: and in this case, we are talking about the highest

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Speaker 1: possible judgment in the entire world that that yes, actually

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Speaker 1: it should be done in public or else it's going

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Speaker 1: to and will I want to ask your question or

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Speaker 1: get your sense on the other part is if you

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Speaker 1: turn those cameras off in today's society, which is driven

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Speaker 1: with or riven with you know, AI recreations and all

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Speaker 1: sorts of just just anything that anyone can do, I

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Speaker 1: really think it's going to create a much worse environment

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Speaker 1: for the trial.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so I think a good comparison would be, you know,

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Speaker 10: what went on in the Chauvin trial and the Writtenhouse trials,

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Speaker 10: where you had public live streaming and everybody was able

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Speaker 10: to watch and critique it. In general, I think the

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Speaker 10: judges in both of those cases did really well if

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Speaker 10: you actually look back and think, you know, I don't

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Speaker 10: necessarily approve, you know, I don't like the outcome of

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Speaker 10: the Shovin case. I think Chauven was innocent, but I

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Speaker 10: don't think the judg did anything obviously wrong in terms

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Speaker 10: of the way he was handling evidence, at least nothing

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Speaker 10: that comes to mind. And I certainly think the judge

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Speaker 10: in the Rittenhouse case did a great job. So compare

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Speaker 10: that to how the judges conducted themselves in the state

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Speaker 10: court trials of President Trump, both in the civil matter

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Speaker 10: involving his organization that Lachisha James brought and in the

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Speaker 10: criminal trial for the false statements. I think that those judges,

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Speaker 10: both of them, were wildly out of pocket. And I

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Speaker 10: think part of the reason they were able to behave

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Speaker 10: so out of pocket is because they didn't allow the

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Speaker 10: proceedings to be live streamed and their decisions to be

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Speaker 10: critiqued so aggressively.

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Speaker 1: And another one, by the way, recently, to take politics

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Speaker 1: out of it in a sense, is the Brian Koberger

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Speaker 1: trial which took place up in Idaho, the murder of

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Speaker 1: those four sorority girls.

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Speaker 3: This was a case that generated enormous public interest.

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Speaker 1: There was a huge amount of publicity surrounding it, and

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Speaker 1: yet there was no problem whatsoever with people being able

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Speaker 1: to have access to that case, and it didn't affect

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Speaker 1: the outcome of the case one way or the other.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think that you know, what's the

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Speaker 10: big fear? What are you trying to protect with any

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Speaker 10: sort of limitation on publicity or limitation on the ability

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Speaker 10: of people to describe what's happening in the courtroom while

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Speaker 10: you're trying to protect the integrity of the jury and

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Speaker 10: you're trying to protect the extent to which the jury

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Speaker 10: is considering evidence that's not been admitted into the record.

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Speaker 10: But whether or not you latching trials, it really doesn't

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Speaker 10: have that much of an effect on that. Either the

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Speaker 10: jury is going to pay attention to your instructions not

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Speaker 10: to consume outside media about the case, or they're not.

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Speaker 10: And if they do consume outside media about the case,

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Speaker 10: they're going to get at least some sort of bastardized

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Speaker 10: version of the internal reporting. I mean, if they might

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Speaker 10: as well get exactly what they you know, rather than

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Speaker 10: speculating or getting secondhand information. It doesn't really improve the

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Speaker 10: situation if they're getting or make it worse if they're

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Speaker 10: getting the first stand information. So the real question is

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Speaker 10: can you prevent jurors from consuming outside media about the

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Speaker 10: trial as it's ongoing, so that they're only considering the

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Speaker 10: evidence that's been admitted. That problem just is as implicated

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Speaker 10: by live streaming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a really I believe this is from Richmond

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Speaker 1: Richmond Newspapers The Virginia nineteen eighty people in an open

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Speaker 1: society did not demand infallibility from their institutions, but it

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Speaker 1: is difficult for them to accept what they are prohibited

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Speaker 1: from observing. So you know, it's you know, the explicit

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Speaker 1: guaranteed right to speaking to publish concerning what takes place

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Speaker 1: at a trial would lose much meeting, meaning if access

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Speaker 1: to observe the trial could be foreclosed arbitrarily. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're just really you know, taking that idea of a

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Speaker 1: public trial and broadening it out to and again this

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Speaker 1: would be the television age or new media. But again,

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Speaker 1: the principle is something that has been around for hundreds

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Speaker 1: of years, if not thousands of years, going back to

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Speaker 1: even ancient Rome itself. A public trial to be held

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Speaker 1: in public right back. Jack psoa World Chamberlain Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 3: Jack is a great guy. He's written that.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic book and everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Go get it that.

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Speaker 1: He's been my friend right from the beginning of this

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Speaker 1: whole beautiful.

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Speaker 9: Event, and we're going to turn her around and make

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Speaker 9: our country quay to get him.

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Speaker 1: A man, all right, Jack Pasobic, We are on now

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Speaker 1: with Will Chamberlain, an Article three project where he works

672
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Speaker 1: with Mike Davis, and we're going through this open letter

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Speaker 1: that Human Events Media Group has issued in in the

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Speaker 1: case of Tyler Robinson and the State of Utah. This

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Speaker 1: is the murder trial of Charlie Kirk. And it's it's

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Speaker 1: a question. It's it's a very simple question. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I would have the same standard for pretty

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Speaker 1: much any trial, regardless of whether or not it's one

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Speaker 1: that you know that I was involved in the sense

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Speaker 1: that i'm you know, was friends with the victim. That

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Speaker 1: I believe the public has a right to know. And

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Speaker 1: I believe that the public should know in these cases

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Speaker 1: whether it was Kyle Rittenhouse. But by the way, and

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Speaker 1: we're on with Bill Chamberlain and we're talking about this will.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Kyle Rittenhouse is someone who reached out to

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Speaker 1: me directly and said, you know, how can I help,

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Speaker 1: How can I be of assistance? He showed up just

688
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Speaker 1: funny aside because he brought him up. He shows up

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Speaker 1: at the Kyle at the Charlie Kirk Memorial and sends

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Speaker 1: me a message, Hey, Jack, I'm here outside.

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Speaker 3: He had never mentioned that he was coming.

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Speaker 1: I said, Man, I could have got to you like

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Speaker 1: a like a special guest pass or something.

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Speaker 3: He just showed up.

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Speaker 1: He literally just drove there from Texas and I was like, yep,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just here. And now you know, everybody

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00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: was you know, because you know, everybody was there to

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Speaker 1: uh to uh, you know, thank him for coming, and

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Speaker 1: you know, people remember that. I think it was just

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after his acquittal that he appeared

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Speaker 1: on stage with me and Charlie at the turning Point.

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Speaker 1: I believe that was the first America Fest, the first

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Speaker 1: am Fest, and the media lost their minds because we

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Speaker 1: gave him that sort of WWE intro with the cold

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Speaker 1: sparks and everyone cheering and and I remember going to

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Speaker 1: Charlie with that idea and Charlie saying, oh, yeah, absolutely

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Speaker 1: and uh. And I actually told Kyle so the the

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Speaker 1: week before the weekend before the jury came back. So

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Speaker 1: the jury went out for one weekend and they were deliberating,

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Speaker 1: and then they had a weekend, and then they came

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Speaker 1: back with the ruling on a Monday. And I think

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Speaker 1: they still deliberated for a few days during the week,

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Speaker 1: but even the weekend they were out. I actually talked

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Speaker 1: to Kyle on the phone. So this is before the

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Speaker 1: ruling was in and I said, Kyle, a month from now,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be with me and Charlie Kirk at Amfest.

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Speaker 3: And sure enough we were, sure enough we were. He was.

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Speaker 1: He told me he was sitting around a fire somewhere

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Speaker 1: somewhere outside of Kenosha.

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Speaker 10: That's that's that's awesome to hear, and I think and.

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Speaker 1: It was cool that and it was just cool that

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Speaker 1: that he showed up right, and you see the connection

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Speaker 1: between you know, Charlie really being the first person to

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Speaker 1: say no, like we are going to absolutely support Kyle Rittenhouse.

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Speaker 3: And we were going to support him, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely obviously there's an obvious case of self defense. And

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Speaker 1: so it was great to see that, you know that

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Speaker 1: Kyle and obviously so many other people. I just that

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Speaker 1: was just one story out of the millions that you know,

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Speaker 1: that are out there that I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: it's sold that publicly yet, but hey, Kyle, I told everyone,

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 10: Charlie touched a lot of people, you know, and he

734
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Speaker 10: was such a you know, I haven't really had a

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Speaker 10: great opportunity to talk about him personally. I mean, certainly

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Speaker 10: I knew Charlie. He was you know, very helpful to me,

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Speaker 10: and you know, I think he was involved very much

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Speaker 10: and both bring getting Human Events together and when I

739
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Speaker 10: was running it and getting you on board as well.

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Speaker 10: So I think, you know, Charlie's his loss is just enormous.

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Speaker 10: It's still very you know, it's every day I think

742
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Speaker 10: about it, and you know, it's really really difficult to

743
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Speaker 10: still have not had Charlie around.

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Speaker 1: And and in fact, by the way that I remember,

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Speaker 1: there was a time where, you know, speaking of which

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Speaker 1: we held that what was that like roundtable? You know,

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Speaker 1: the discussion that we did the one time and I

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Speaker 1: don't remember if you were even in this or not,

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Speaker 1: because it was like me, Charlie kirk Andy, no, Libby Emmons,

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Speaker 1: and you may have not been in this roundtable, but

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Speaker 1: Charlie spent like an entire day just sitting with us

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Speaker 1: talking about this is my vision for Human Events, this

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Speaker 1: is how it can work, this is how I.

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Speaker 3: Want Human Events Daily to run. And in fact, Human Events.

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Speaker 1: Daily began life as a as a turning point us

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Speaker 1: a show, and then we you know, we took it independent.

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Speaker 3: But you know, obviously still work very closely with Charlie

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Speaker 3: in order.

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Speaker 1: To be able to you know, kind of kind of

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Speaker 1: move on from the C three restrictions on political speech.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's all because of Charlie, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: he would not have had any of that without him,

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Speaker 1: the linkages that he was able to do, the bridge

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Speaker 1: building that he was constantly doing behind the scenes in

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Speaker 1: the movement, saying, you know this, this thing should exist,

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Speaker 1: let's make it happen. And then he'd sort of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, without any edit, without his name on it

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Speaker 1: or anything, and he would just he would just put

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Speaker 1: people together and then things would happen.

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Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Think that we you know, we we kind of sit

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Speaker 1: back and we talk about it, but we really did

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Speaker 1: lose a big figure in terms of that. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's something very clear that the left will continue to

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Speaker 1: do this. They'll they'll continue to target people if we

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Speaker 1: do not stop them from doing so. And that's why,

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Speaker 1: just from a personal perspective that, regardless of just knowing Charlie,

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Speaker 1: that's why the Tyler Robinson case is so.

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Speaker 3: Important and getting it lightly so important.

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Speaker 10: We absolutely have to see justice done here, and we

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Speaker 10: have to see it done publicly. I think it will

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Speaker 10: be useful to put to bed from some of the

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Speaker 10: more ridiculous theories about what's happened here. And what frustrates

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Speaker 10: me so much about those theories is because they're distracting

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Speaker 10: from the obvious and core truth that is so important

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Speaker 10: for every conservative to internalize. A leftist assassinated Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 10: and a lou of other left has celebrated it, and

788
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Speaker 10: we just need to remember that. We need to get it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's so important for us to remember because

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Speaker 10: it reminds of what the stakes of this actually are,

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Speaker 10: what the stakes more politics actually are, and you know,

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Speaker 10: it's hard to forget that. I think it's changed. It

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Speaker 10: certainly changed the way I'm really tolerating sort of what

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Speaker 10: I might have called, you know, antagonists on the left too.

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Speaker 10: I might have otherwise tolerated and engaged with, But I

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Speaker 10: look at some of their views or how they've responded

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Speaker 10: to this, I'm like, no, I'm not even engaging with

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Speaker 10: you anymore. You're obviously just an adversary and we need

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Speaker 10: to defeat you. That's it. There's no you know, I

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Speaker 10: don't see any good faith coming from you. You had

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Speaker 10: nothing to say about the assassination of my friend. So

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Speaker 10: that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you hear you see a guy like

804
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Speaker 1: mom Dami who gets up there and I'm just going

805
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Speaker 1: to keep saying it. The mom Dami campaign to me

806
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Speaker 1: sounds like radio Rwanda for white people. I mean, he

807
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Speaker 1: just says it over and over that this is black

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Speaker 1: and brown people rising up to defeat white supremacy. And

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Speaker 1: this is something that Charlie was war about in his

810
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Speaker 1: last days, in his last weeks, was that you know,

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Speaker 1: there is this huge mass, uh you know, not nationwide,

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Speaker 1: but certainly in select localities across the country like New

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Speaker 1: York or maybe Minneapolis or Dear Warren and others of

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Speaker 1: people who have come in and they have no interest in,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing right for everyone. They're they're directly telling

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Speaker 1: you we are going to take down people that we

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Speaker 1: view as quote unquote the enemy class, the target class,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to take their stuff and give

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Speaker 1: it to the people who are our supporters.

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Speaker 3: And that's about it.

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Speaker 1: And this kind of politics is it's obviously resentment of politics,

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Speaker 1: but it's also very very powerful, and it's led to

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Speaker 1: really bad outcomes in the past.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, mum, Donnie's deeply anti American. I mean,

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Speaker 10: you even saw AOC at the big Democratic rally speech

826
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Speaker 10: basically say that everybody built New York City except white people.

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Speaker 10: When it was you know, white Protestants who found a

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Speaker 10: New York City was called New Amsterdam for a reason.

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Speaker 10: I'm tired of a world where you know, it's very

830
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Speaker 10: obviously like who they think is the enemy and who

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Speaker 10: they're willing to be violent against, and whose deaths they're

832
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Speaker 10: willing to mock, like it's you and me and it's

833
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Speaker 10: other Republicans, We're the enemy that they're willing to see dead.

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Speaker 10: That maybe they wouldn't pull the trigger theirselves, but they

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Speaker 10: shouldn't certainly wouldn't shed a tear if other people pull

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Speaker 10: the trigger against us. And that's you know, that needs

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Speaker 10: to every concerner needs to understand that what the stakes are.

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Speaker 3: No, it's one hundred percent. And by the way, we

839
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Speaker 3: are going to be seeing this.

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Speaker 1: Halloween, because the Halloween's coming up on Friday, I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to say we've already seen a few, We're going

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Speaker 1: to see more.

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Speaker 3: These leftists are going to be celebrating it. They're going

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Speaker 3: to be dressing as Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have you know, plumes of blood spurting

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Speaker 1: from there, from their necks, the freedom shirt.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be everywhere, right.

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Speaker 1: There will probably even be just you know, screenshot it, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, there will be people who try to dress

850
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Speaker 1: up as Erica, who do things like this to mock them.

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Speaker 1: And I'll simply put it like this, Screenshot every single

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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 3: Screenshot every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: Document them, because we are going to make them famous,

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Speaker 1: to make them absolutely famous, and we're more than happy

856
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: to do so. Will Chamberlain, where can people go to

857
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: follow you and get access to your work?

858
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 10: You can follow me at Will Chamberlain on x and

859
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 10: you can follow what I do with the Article three

860
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 10: project at a three P action dot com. Join in

861
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 10: many of our campaigns where we try and bully senators

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Speaker 10: into doing what we want.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, This Sunday in New Jersey, check me out.

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Speaker 1: I'll be at the Turning Point Action super Chase event

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Speaker 1: to get the ballots out on us. That's this Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Toms River, New Jersey. We're going to be up there

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Speaker 1: Turning Point Action the first time deploying to New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: the Garden State and by the way, if you're in

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Speaker 1: the Garden State, if you know you're in the Garden State,

871
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: go vote. Go vote right now. New Jersey vote, New

872
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Jersey vote. Imagine living in New Jersey and not having

873
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: voted yet.

874
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: Can you live with yourself?

875
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 4: Could?

876
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could. So you got to

877
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: get out there, be persistent and harass people. Ladies and gentlemen.

878
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Speaker 3: As always, you have my permission to lay ashure