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Speaker 1: you got a lot to get into here today. Yesterday
Speaker 1: it was Monday nightra it was the final raw before
Speaker 1: Survivor Series. And we have a full lineup for Survivor Series,
Speaker 1: including the fifth man for the Baby Wargames team. And
Speaker 1: it appears to be Randy Orton. It's Randy Orton. But
Speaker 1: it was funny because they made the big announcement last
Speaker 1: night and they never actually said the name Randy Orton.
Speaker 1: They kind of did all of his you know, different
Speaker 1: nicknames as such, and the fans chanted Randy and then
Speaker 1: Cody says, you all know who it is, and they
Speaker 1: immediately went off the air.
Speaker 4: So that was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But Randy Orton is the fifth man on that team.
Speaker 1: We got the Wargames Women's match, We've got all the
Speaker 1: other matches scheduled for the show, and of course at
Speaker 1: the end of the program today we will do the
Speaker 1: world famous Raw Report, and believe it or not, even
Speaker 1: though Survivor Series is on Saturday, we already have three
Speaker 1: matches announced for next Monday's Raw. We can tell you
Speaker 1: about that, plus n XT tonight and the aw Dynamite
Speaker 1: Show on Wednesday, which actually I need to check because
Speaker 1: I actually don't think anything is announced. I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but uh, I didn't see anything this morning, and there
Speaker 1: was nothing last night except for the announcement of the
Speaker 1: Continental Classic Selection special, so we'll tell you about that
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike
Speaker 1: simper Vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Yeah, there's always
Speaker 1: something before the show. I'm not sure my Brian at
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observe dot com has been working for a month. Oh,
Speaker 1: luckily I have multiple email addresses. But if you've sent
Speaker 1: me something to that address and I didn't respond, that
Speaker 1: might be why.
Speaker 4: Oops?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't everyone send something at once? I don't want
Speaker 1: to thing flooded, but something's definitely weird.
Speaker 4: Can we use your Juno email?
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't work either. Yeah, something's definitely not working.
Speaker 1: What could I possibly gotten over the last month that
Speaker 1: I never got? Can you imagine.
Speaker 4: Apparently a virus?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the things that might have been sent
Speaker 1: to me that I just totally ignored? Maybe the Rocky
Speaker 1: mailed me about that mysterious death of w CW thing
Speaker 1: that they're.
Speaker 4: Doing now, exactly what's that all about?
Speaker 1: You know, what's it all about?
Speaker 4: What's that all about it? Why haven't you been contacted for.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You wrote the book?
Speaker 1: You know what it is. It's a mystery, is what
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 4: Two different editions of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got another big one there too, I.
Speaker 4: Do what is that? This is a tinder box. This
Speaker 4: is the HBO's Ruthless Pursuit of New Frontiers by James
Speaker 4: Andrew Miller. This is the guy that, along with Tom Shales,
Speaker 4: wrote the Saturday Night Live book a few years back,
Speaker 4: actually more than a few years back, but it was incredible.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was not expecting it to be as
Speaker 4: large as it was. But it's the War and Peace
Speaker 4: of HBO.
Speaker 1: Oh in God's name would read so many words me ridiculous.
Speaker 1: All right, you've got Survivor series coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 1: And yes, they did sort of announce last night that rent.
Speaker 4: David Zaslov letting me know he liked the free promotion
Speaker 4: for the HBO.
Speaker 1: Boo I start over again. They announced kind of that
Speaker 1: Randy Orton will be the fifth man on the Babyface team.
Speaker 1: So they once again did the storyline where so for
Speaker 1: the women there's four on each team and on SmackDown,
Speaker 1: you know, the baby Faces were told you must have
Speaker 1: your fourth woman in the building by the end of
Speaker 1: the show or else I guess they would have to
Speaker 1: be three on four. So you know, they called Becky
Speaker 1: with fifteen minutes left on the show, and somehow she's
Speaker 1: not only able to get there but be in her gear.
Speaker 1: That was very impressive. So this time the Babyfaces, the
Speaker 1: male baby Face were told the same thing, but apparently
Speaker 1: they didn't have to have the person in the building.
Speaker 1: They just had to announce the person. So they spend
Speaker 1: all night trying to figure out what they're going to do.
Speaker 1: And then finally in this show, there's a big you know,
Speaker 1: a rigmarole or whatever, and Cody comes out and he
Speaker 1: cuts a promo and he says, we are not alone.
Speaker 1: We have found a fifth member someone. He says, then
Speaker 1: I have a legacy with and when he said legacy, man,
Speaker 1: they pop big. They do exactly who he was talking about.
Speaker 1: And then he says our partner is an apex predator,
Speaker 1: and they go yay, They chant Randy's name, and then
Speaker 1: Cody says, you fans are right, and then show went
Speaker 1: off the air. I was like, Okay, I guess it's Randy.
Speaker 4: Presume so well it is. They actually put it up
Speaker 4: on WWE dot com.
Speaker 1: If you watch the h those social media folks on
Speaker 1: w w dot com. Don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: That's true, I guess, But hey.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was Deposs Junior. Well, he had a legacy
Speaker 1: with Cody.
Speaker 4: He he was an apex predator. I guess in the
Speaker 4: Marine movie that he started. I guess you could go
Speaker 4: ahead and do that and then you could have a
Speaker 4: riot on your hands. But what they did was, I believe,
Speaker 4: prevented any riot that people wanted to cook up in
Speaker 4: their minds when they didn't see CM punk be that
Speaker 4: person that showed up and was the surprise on Saturday.
Speaker 4: So I think they did a great job setting that up.
Speaker 4: Randy Warton is going to be there. Sure they're going
Speaker 4: to be CM punk chants because it's Chicago, so that's cool.
Speaker 4: But once the thing is over with, I don't think
Speaker 4: anybody's gonna have a problem at all.
Speaker 1: Well let's see, I'm looking through everything right.
Speaker 4: Here, your old emails that you found.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like, uh, let's see, here.
Speaker 4: Is where all the renewals went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, October five, no email since October five? What is
Speaker 1: it November twenty one. That's a lot of emails.
Speaker 4: Bro enjoying that silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, October five.
Speaker 4: They has an idea delete all.
Speaker 1: Well, I me don't care.
Speaker 4: Obviously you're not missing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Tony here looks like.
Speaker 4: October.
Speaker 1: What did I say? Six?
Speaker 4: Fifth? Fifth? Yes? Now is this something that has plagued
Speaker 4: everybody with a fur w.
Speaker 1: I don't care about everybody else. I honestly don't care
Speaker 1: about any of them that I missed. How has my
Speaker 1: life been different in the last six weeks? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it didn't give ballad either. Okay, So we've also
Speaker 1: got n XT tonight. Now, this show was tape. You
Speaker 1: know what that means. That means that I can tell
Speaker 1: you that all these matches are gonna happen tonight. There
Speaker 1: will not be any changes.
Speaker 4: You sure.
Speaker 1: We have an Iron Survivor Challenge qualifier Carmelo Hayes versus
Speaker 1: Josh Briggs. Josh Briggs is the fornicator for those of
Speaker 1: you following along. Yes, we've got Blair Davenport and THEA
Speaker 1: Hale Women's Iron Survivor Challenge qualifire. We have Lyra val
Speaker 1: Kaira defending against Zaya Lee, who lost to Becky Lynch
Speaker 1: on Raw Monday.
Speaker 4: So how you do it?
Speaker 1: No, that's not how you do it. That's that's stupid. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's like beating hook for only the second time in
Speaker 1: his entire aw career and then on the very next
Speaker 1: show just randomly going on doing a job. No m
Speaker 1: dar versus Chad Gable, Angel Garza and Umberto Coreo.
Speaker 4: Didn't till Zawa get squashed before he had his match again, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was also stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, andras no fan Moligue, Blade and Eddie Thorpe and
Speaker 1: Charlie Dempsey. See the thing is, okay, listen, you want
Speaker 1: Zie to get championship match, okay, cool, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: give it to her and then she can face Becky
Speaker 1: next Monday. Why does she have to face Becky, lose
Speaker 1: and then go her to have her championship match. That
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they do this.
Speaker 4: There was no other woman on the roster. Becky could
Speaker 4: have faced them.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 1: The point is they've been building this feud up forever,
Speaker 1: but you didn't have to do it the night before
Speaker 1: she gets a championship match on NXC. That's my point,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: But next week she could have interfered against Becky, caused
Speaker 4: some havoc, that's what caused the DQ and then she
Speaker 4: could have had her match without losing, and she could
Speaker 4: have actually looked a little bit stronger maybe, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, SmackDown or something like that.
Speaker 4: Why isn't Zion Lee then the fifth person on that dam.
Speaker 1: Because there's only four people on each team. But why
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it doesn't matter, Yes it does.
Speaker 4: So then we've got to see ra Kellen there. Then
Speaker 4: fight Nia Jacks, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: Then we've got tomorrow. I don't believe anything has been
Speaker 1: announced for aw Dynamite as.
Speaker 2: Of right now.
Speaker 4: Now now it's a bit have I have.
Speaker 1: I missed something? Everybody. I don't think anything has been
Speaker 1: announced for the actual Dynamos.
Speaker 4: An announcement of an announcement of the collision in her
Speaker 4: Continental Continental Classic.
Speaker 1: I have seen, oh, check Gable us last night as well,
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, but at least well I guess Zia's
Speaker 1: was a kind of a back and forth too. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Wednesday we have the Continental Classic Selection special. So we've
Speaker 1: got a Continental Classic coming up. And it was announced
Speaker 1: quite a while ago, actually two weeks ago, quite a while.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was the Saturday before this past Saturday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost two weeks ago. They announced it and
Speaker 1: we know virtually nobody in it, and so instead of
Speaker 1: announcing it on Dynamite, Collision Rampage or the pay per view,
Speaker 1: this will be a streaming special. It will air on
Speaker 1: x YouTube and Facebook. Tony Kahan announced that it would
Speaker 1: be Wednesday. He didn't say when. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I can't help you guys. I don't know when this
Speaker 1: will stream, but there will be Continental Classic matches on Wednesday. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: we do know Brian Danielson Andrade who didn't want to
Speaker 1: be in it. He'll be talked into it, and uh
Speaker 1: and Mark Briscoe, Right, we know those three.
Speaker 4: Before we got Indrade, Mark Briscoe, Danielson and Kingston Kingston.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we got four, we got the belts,
Speaker 1: so this doesn't have to air before Dynamite. They could
Speaker 1: do matches involving the four people we know and then
Speaker 1: do the selection special after Dynamite. But you see, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know when this is. I have
Speaker 1: no earthly idea when the Continental Classic Selection special will be.
Speaker 4: Well, you see, Brian made book show by show.
Speaker 1: I presume that soon we will know this answer, maybe
Speaker 1: even by the end of this show back in the moment.
Speaker 2: It was a relive some time. You are listening to
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Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live except
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Speaker 4: All right, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: To fund I'm trying to figure this out here. This
Speaker 1: this email thing is a disaster. I'm gonna I would
Speaker 1: send it to you, but you never check your email.
Speaker 4: Well check it now, I guess virus.
Speaker 1: Which one you know? The one that at starts with
Speaker 1: a C?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, the only one I really use. Man, it's
Speaker 4: really the only one.
Speaker 1: All right, So listen, I'm sending you an email and
Speaker 1: I just want you to respond to it. I won't
Speaker 1: see I anyone's even responding because I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: even responding. Man, oh man, what a what a life
Speaker 1: this has become for me?
Speaker 4: When did you? Did you send it already?
Speaker 1: I just sent it right now? Okay, Well we got
Speaker 1: more news here, so uh, Friday night's collision. We had
Speaker 1: Collision going head to head with SmackDown. What a fun
Speaker 1: day it was on Twitter yesterday, So was there anybody
Speaker 1: that was fooling themselves into thinking the Collision was going
Speaker 1: to do well? Did I miss the memo the Collision
Speaker 1: was going to do great opposite SmackDown.
Speaker 4: Jay White was going to win the title.
Speaker 1: Well, it did very poorly, did a point eight in
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine and two hundred and seventy thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: so it got killed. And then on the bright of
Speaker 1: INNI show we were talking about we were viewing the
Speaker 1: shows on Sunday and Vinny said that of all the
Speaker 1: shows on that he watched Rampage. He said, between Dynamite
Speaker 1: Collision and Rampage, he thought Rampage was the best show.
Speaker 1: But he said it was going to be the least
Speaker 1: watch show. And I said, I don't know about that, brother, because.
Speaker 4: The uh, SmackDown ends a ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, SmackDown ends a ten, so it's not head to
Speaker 1: head with SmackDown, so it actually might do better than Collision.
Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, it did. Hey, Rampage
Speaker 1: did two hundred and eighty thousand and a point oh nine,
Speaker 1: So Rampage beat Collision bubbly on whatever day.
Speaker 2: That was right?
Speaker 1: All right, SmackDown now here's what's what's silly about all
Speaker 1: of this? Okay, so Collision not only airs by the
Speaker 1: way head edd with SmackDown, but also on an unfamiliar night,
Speaker 1: and apparently people didn't take that into consideration either. And
Speaker 1: you know, I I pointed these facts out and I
Speaker 1: was it was usual paid by Tony. I'm paid by
Speaker 1: Tony Kan again, so that's good.
Speaker 4: So uh got to be paid by seven bucks soon.
Speaker 1: They don't pay you in the interview for one of
Speaker 1: those things. So the the SmackDown show, Collision got killed,
Speaker 1: the rampage was down, and SmackDown going head to head
Speaker 1: with Collision was up. Okay, two point two million viewers
Speaker 1: up at half a percent, and the eighteen to forty
Speaker 1: nine they were actually have almost ten percent from the
Speaker 1: week prior with collision competition, so a point six y
Speaker 1: two statistically. Statistically, zero SmackDown viewers watched AW and a
Speaker 1: small number of AW viewers watched SmackDown. So that's the
Speaker 1: that's the head to head bat.
Speaker 4: Maybe some NXT viewers came over to pad SmackDown just
Speaker 4: the stick it to collision.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say the collision number, I mean that
Speaker 1: is I believe bad basically the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1: You think, I think it's well, here's why I think, okay,
Speaker 1: because the the quarter hours for that show were like
Speaker 1: a razor straight line practically, so it's like nobody tuned in,
Speaker 1: nobody tuned out. It was just X number of people,
Speaker 1: you know, around two hundred and seventy thousand tuned in.
Speaker 1: They watched the whole show start to finish, and that
Speaker 1: was that. So that's your bottom of the barrel for
Speaker 1: aw collision on a Friday night, and probably for rampage
Speaker 1: close to rampage as well.
Speaker 4: To under eight thousand, that's their diest hard television viewers
Speaker 4: just the same way that for the all intents and purposes,
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens here with full gear. But what
Speaker 4: about one hundred and forty five thousand. I forget what
Speaker 4: the averages, but it's like they're around the same as
Speaker 4: far as no matter what the TV does, no matter
Speaker 4: what happens, this is how many people are going to
Speaker 4: come out and buy our paper. It's well over one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand. You might remember the number better than I do,
Speaker 4: but you know they have a core there that is,
Speaker 4: you know, unshakeable. Everybody's got one. We see it with
Speaker 4: WWE what it is you know when he comes to
Speaker 4: their TV shows or all we found was about what
Speaker 4: one point two million people during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say that I don't think you can
Speaker 1: read much at all into the Collision number. You move
Speaker 1: a show to a different day, you put it head
Speaker 1: to head with SmackDown, it's going to get killed. But
Speaker 1: I will say that Rampage number sucked because that's its
Speaker 1: normal time slot on its normal day, and it was
Speaker 1: the lowest total audience ever in the history of Rampage.
Speaker 4: Well hour three of four too, which they did not
Speaker 4: hype up. And I'm not I don't know what you
Speaker 4: could really have done with it, and you sure people
Speaker 4: would have poked fun at it. But you had four
Speaker 4: hours of AW that night. You had two hours of
Speaker 4: Collision going head to head with SmackDown, You had an
Speaker 4: hour of ramp and you had an hour of the
Speaker 4: pre show the AW full year, you know Barker show
Speaker 4: that they had. You know, you could have done maybe
Speaker 4: more with that. You could have had something where it
Speaker 4: make it like old WCW slash NWA and have you know,
Speaker 4: people interspliced throughout the show, doing some stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: I maybe you could have made more out of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it would have mattered or not,
Speaker 4: but I don't know, maybe you could have got more
Speaker 4: than three hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Say I'll say this about that Rampage number. That Rampage
Speaker 1: Show was not a bad show at all. I liked
Speaker 1: the show. Vinny liked the show a lot, but it
Speaker 1: absolutely died. It was the third hour on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: And before this new SmackDown deal was announced, you know,
Speaker 1: there had been a lot of talk about what if
Speaker 1: they did two hours on Fox and then an hour
Speaker 1: afterwards on FS one, And I always thought, my god,
Speaker 1: what a horrible idea. I mean, listen, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: make money for it, whatever, I mean, that's a story
Speaker 1: of raw. But from your you're gonna you're gonna go
Speaker 1: from Fox at ten o'clock to f S one at
Speaker 1: ten oh one. Okay, first off, you're gonna get cut
Speaker 1: in half immediately, because it happens every time they go
Speaker 1: to f S one. Second, you're adding a third hour
Speaker 1: on a Friday night, which is we can see here
Speaker 1: by the Rampage number. People don't want to watch three
Speaker 1: straight hours on a Friday night, So you're you gonna
Speaker 1: drop even worse. So what are we talking? You're gonna
Speaker 1: get like two point two million from eight to ten
Speaker 1: and then you know, eight hundred and fifty thousand at
Speaker 1: ten to one. What are you gonna put on at
Speaker 1: ten to eleven? Like a Roman reign segment, a big
Speaker 1: main event or what are you gonna do? You're gonna
Speaker 1: be smart. You're not gonna put anything valuable there because
Speaker 1: nobody's watching it compared to Fox. But then no one's
Speaker 1: gonna bother watching f S one cause it's like the
Speaker 1: the you know, Black Sheep Hour, whatever you call it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: a horrible idea, and it's the same thing. You know,
Speaker 1: all the discussions about Raw, you know what about uh
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldn't say all the discussions because I
Speaker 1: haven't heard a lot about this, but you know, putting
Speaker 1: a couple hours of Raw and whatever and then another
Speaker 1: on Amazon or something, horrible idea. It will die die
Speaker 1: a death. So we'll see what happened to me.
Speaker 4: You need to linear properties to do something like that,
Speaker 4: especially if they're looking into doing you know, bringing back
Speaker 4: something during the show. Remember when the app came out
Speaker 4: and the network came out during commercials. You could switch
Speaker 4: over to the app and do that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: you know, if they find a partner, look if they
Speaker 4: go to like a WBD And I'm just using them
Speaker 4: as an example because they have True TV right there.
Speaker 4: True TV is a perfect you know, you might be
Speaker 4: able to get a bunch of people watching that would
Speaker 4: be hot, much higher than what their usual number is.
Speaker 4: But have it in conjunction with what's taking place on
Speaker 4: another channel that you own on something else that Raw
Speaker 4: would be on. But I want to throw this scenario
Speaker 4: at you with hindsight being twenty twenty and how they
Speaker 4: decided to go about doing the Max thing. Do you
Speaker 4: think that they could have have done an angle similar
Speaker 4: to what they did on the pay per view but
Speaker 4: have it play out throughout the show and then have
Speaker 4: some doubt going into the pay per view on Saturday.
Speaker 4: Do you think that in hindsight or do you think
Speaker 4: it just would have been wasted in those three hours
Speaker 4: going up against smack.
Speaker 1: Well, they did a good angle at the end of Rampage,
Speaker 1: but I certainly would have not gone off the one.
Speaker 1: I would not have gone off the air on Rampage
Speaker 1: saying we might not get an MGF match on Saturday.
Speaker 1: That would have been madness.
Speaker 4: Or we're gonna have the decision on what's going to
Speaker 4: take as okay, I was just wondering if you could
Speaker 4: have weaved through those three hours though, and made it
Speaker 4: where you actually had some drama. You know you're getting
Speaker 4: a title match, but what's going on with m JF.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't know you're going to a title match
Speaker 1: because of the.
Speaker 4: I know, but you do you do a story where
Speaker 4: you leave it open, where something is gonna give Jay
Speaker 4: White's gonna have that title. We're not just gonna let
Speaker 4: you hand it over. We're gonna come up with something.
Speaker 4: But you again, you built it because that.
Speaker 1: That that does terrible numbers historically when people don't know,
Speaker 1: like what's the main event going to be or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, here's people were so mad. The people
Speaker 1: who had bought the pay per view were so mad
Speaker 1: at the idea that they weren't going to get that
Speaker 1: main event.
Speaker 4: Wait, some people were. In fact, you played those people
Speaker 4: out for thinking that.
Speaker 1: And here's what people did think. That is the point.
Speaker 1: But so don't tell people before they bought the show
Speaker 1: they may not get a main event because the ain't
Speaker 1: gonna buy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they told them that. In that case, then
Speaker 4: they you could argue that they told them that on Saturday,
Speaker 4: right before the pay per view, that all this junk
Speaker 4: is taking place, and now we may not get MJF
Speaker 4: on it. To me, I don't think it would have
Speaker 4: mattered because I don't think historically AW is doing the
Speaker 4: same consistent numbers almost no matter what. And it was
Speaker 4: a risk to do. But frankly, what they did during
Speaker 4: the show was a risk. They actually have that show
Speaker 4: long storyline and on a pay per view. That was
Speaker 4: a risky thing to do, and some people think it
Speaker 4: paid off and some people didn't. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: just different type of risk.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think they shouldn't have done the storyline
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can, you can attack, but certainly don't
Speaker 1: tell people he's not going to be in the main event.
Speaker 1: That's madness, even if he is. See, the thing is,
Speaker 1: if you've already paid your money and they tell you
Speaker 1: guy ain't gonna work the main event, but then at
Speaker 1: the end he does, you didn't get ripped off. You
Speaker 1: don't want to tell people before they pay their money
Speaker 1: not gonna be the main event. We built it up
Speaker 1: for a month, but you ain't gonna make it because people
Speaker 1: actually won't buy, not in like gigantic numbers. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose ten buys. I don't want to
Speaker 1: lose any buys. I'm here to make money because then
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Albarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERBB on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live Mike
Speaker 1: SIMBERBB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Well maybe around two
Speaker 1: thirty I'll get my emails back. Can't have been anything that.
Speaker 4: Important, right, Well, did Tony answer you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I said two thirty not home right now?
Speaker 4: All right? A stupid thing that happens.
Speaker 1: Whose fault is this?
Speaker 4: Not mine?
Speaker 1: All right? We got to talk about Raw, the Raw Report.
Speaker 1: It opened up and Drew Macnar coming out, and this
Speaker 1: guy cut a great promo because he is a classic
Speaker 1: heel that thinks he's done nothing wrong. He said, everyone's
Speaker 1: asking why Drew, Why I haven't changed one bit. I
Speaker 1: haven't lied one time. I'm not lying now. If you're
Speaker 1: a fan of mine, I don't have to explain myself.
Speaker 1: If you turned on me, well you were never a
Speaker 1: fan in the first place. I don't care about you guys.
Speaker 1: Jay attacked me from behind time after time after time.
Speaker 1: Last week, I looked him right in the eye and
Speaker 1: I jumped him. And I'm sure Jay wants me to
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry, but I don't remember one apology to
Speaker 1: me or anybody that he screwed over. He says, So
Speaker 1: why should I get over anything? My family I sacrificed
Speaker 1: for years. I missed birthdays, I missed holidays, and it
Speaker 1: clashed in the castle that was supposed to be my night,
Speaker 1: and your family took everything from my family. So everyone's
Speaker 1: asking if I joined the Judgment Day. Well the answer
Speaker 1: is no, but I will be on their team at
Speaker 1: Survivor Series because Rhea offered me something nobody else could,
Speaker 1: and that is you. Jayuso in a cage. So j
Speaker 1: comes out. He's all wacky, he's all eating, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna go beat up Drew. But the Judgment Day shows
Speaker 1: up and so outcomes Set, Sammy and Cody, and they
Speaker 1: get in this giant brawl and Adam Pierce sends down
Speaker 1: nerds to break it up, and he says, yes, Drew
Speaker 1: is on team Judgment Day. You babyfaces, I need a
Speaker 1: fifth member. By the end of the night, and by
Speaker 1: nine o'clock we're gonna have a advantage match later. I
Speaker 1: want to know who's on each team. And so Drew
Speaker 1: steps up and stares down Jay and then they leave.
Speaker 1: He also added no interference at the advantage match, or
Speaker 1: that whoever throws the first punch you lose the advantage.
Speaker 1: So Judgment Day's chatting, and pre says, Rhea, I don't
Speaker 1: like the guy, but it was a good idea to
Speaker 1: add Drew to this thing. But as the leader of
Speaker 1: the Judgment Day, he says, remember last week he said
Speaker 1: that and they got man. He goes, ah, it's just hot.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean it. Well, he said it again, and he
Speaker 1: says we should have discussed it, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: you know. So Price says, worry this guy. I want
Speaker 1: to be in the advantage match, and Rhea says, well,
Speaker 1: we should all discuss that as well. Let's wait for
Speaker 1: Drew and we'll talk. My god, this next match, do
Speaker 1: I have hours? It's Raquel and Naya, okay, So they
Speaker 1: go back and forth for a while and Naya posts
Speaker 1: her and starts working over her back. So now Raquel
Speaker 1: has a bad back. So Raquel makes a comeback. She
Speaker 1: hits the corkscrew spinning elbow she's won mini matches with,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't cover. Instead, her brilliant plan is to
Speaker 1: lift up Naya. She tries and she collapses, So that
Speaker 1: was a stupid idea. So then Naya drags her to
Speaker 1: the corner for the sit down splash. Raquel gets under
Speaker 1: her and she decides I'm gonna try lifting her again.
Speaker 1: Well you'll never guess. Nya squishes her a second time
Speaker 1: and then it hits the sit down splash and pins her.
Speaker 1: You could not be a dumber babyface. I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: I was watching this smash and then as bad as
Speaker 1: the story was making, Raquel just look like a fool.
Speaker 1: So when Naya goes up for the uh for her
Speaker 1: finish the Anaya later get it, Raquel's gonna go under
Speaker 1: and get her up on her shoulders. Okay for a
Speaker 1: power bomb. Well listen, all I gotta do, Naya is
Speaker 1: put your feet on the middle ropes so she can
Speaker 1: get under you and lift you. Instead. As soon as
Speaker 1: Raquel gets under her, Nia just takes both of her
Speaker 1: feet off the ropes and so you gotta watch Raquel,
Speaker 1: she almost kills herself trying to get Nya up on
Speaker 1: her shoulders and literally all Nya had to do was
Speaker 1: help her a little bit by putting her feet up.
Speaker 1: But no, so she em here killed her for real,
Speaker 1: and then she killed her in storyline. This was a disaster.
Speaker 4: I believe WinCE. I'd like to blame Vince. I have
Speaker 4: to blame Vince, even if it's somebody else there. I'm
Speaker 4: blaming Vince for the fact that Naya came back and
Speaker 4: absolutely positively does not help anyone in the division at all. Yes,
Speaker 4: you need a giant, you need somebody unique, well where
Speaker 4: cal Rodriguez is pretty unique. And I have a feeling
Speaker 4: this is going to end with her body slaming Naya
Speaker 4: and getting a victory. But I mean, come on, come on,
Speaker 4: of all people, Naya, come on.
Speaker 1: Drew showed up to me with a judgment. Day Pre
Speaker 1: says he's the leader. He wants the advantage match. Drew says, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've got to go out there and take out jay Us,
Speaker 1: and so Pre says, fine, I want the match. It's yours.
Speaker 1: Show your worth, go get us the advantage, and Drew
Speaker 1: says that's leadership. So then Seth says he wants Drew
Speaker 1: and Jay says no, if Drew's in the ring, I
Speaker 1: want him, And so they finally all agree it's Jay
Speaker 1: and Drew for the advantage and say he says will
Speaker 1: have been his fifth member. He says, you know, I
Speaker 1: hear that. You know, SmackDown guys are not off limits.
Speaker 1: He wants Kevin obviously, but Cody says, I have an
Speaker 1: old friend I could call, which, by the way, in
Speaker 1: storyline is should we get the guy that's wrestling regularly
Speaker 1: or should we get the guy that's been out for
Speaker 1: eight months with a broken back? M well, let's do
Speaker 1: that guy.
Speaker 4: Well, he's the son of Dusty. He likes big surprises.
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch and Zaia Lee this match when it first started,
Speaker 1: it's like people like Becky, but they don't care one
Speaker 1: bit about Zia. And every time Zia got the heat,
Speaker 1: it was absolutely dead quiet in his building. But you
Speaker 1: know what, they worked, and they kept working, and they
Speaker 1: worked their asses off and by the end the crowd
Speaker 1: was into it and they were popping for the near
Speaker 1: falls there at the end, and then finally Becky avoids
Speaker 1: a kick man handles slam pinser turned into a very
Speaker 1: good match, and then afterwards damage Control comes through the
Speaker 1: crowd and Charlotte shot seeing Bianca. Russian Big brawl breaks out.
Speaker 1: Adam Pearson's out security to break it up. Vinci and
Speaker 1: Kaiser meet. Kaiser was given control over Vinci by Gunther,
Speaker 1: so he says stay back here, do not come out.
Speaker 1: I got this handled. So he goes out to face
Speaker 1: Johnny Gargano and sure enough, here comes Vinci. Kaiser gets distracted,
Speaker 1: tells him to get the hell out of here. He
Speaker 1: gets hit with a kick. One final beat, he gets pinned.
Speaker 1: Vinci shrugs. Kaiser's furious. Pierce is talking to Piper and Chelsea.
Speaker 1: A bunch of teams show up. They all want a
Speaker 1: title shot. He signs a multi person match, and then
Speaker 1: Maxine and Ivy wander in. I don't know what they want,
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, let me guess you wanted to match. Fine,
Speaker 1: you're in, and I was like, well, actually we and
Speaker 1: Maxing goes shoosh, she wants the match. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it, do it? I have pride Zoe. He
Speaker 1: cut a promo on Rhea and then yes, it is
Speaker 1: Ivy and Maxine, Naddy and Tigan, Caden and Katana and
Speaker 1: Indian Candace and a four way for the title shot.
Speaker 1: And like when the match began, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be horrible, okay, And as I look at it,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why, because you know, Ivy does
Speaker 1: a good job, Natty's good, Tigan's good, Caden and Katan
Speaker 1: are a good team, and Candace is good. It's only
Speaker 1: Maxine and Indy that I was really worried about. Dude,
Speaker 1: But fans love Maxine. Everything they did, everything she did,
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 4: Into a cartoon.
Speaker 1: She is a total cartoon and I love her because
Speaker 1: she gives it two hundred percent, like two hundred percent.
Speaker 1: She gives this a gimmick. And finally the end, Tigan
Speaker 1: rolled through a Maxine high cross pinder and so yes
Speaker 1: next week Tigan and Natty versus Piper and Chelsea for
Speaker 1: the tag team type.
Speaker 4: Who added nothing on commentary?
Speaker 1: Nothing No, they did not gunthrough Rana, Kaiser and Vinci.
Speaker 1: He is very very upset. It's Kaiser. He says, maybe
Speaker 1: I put the wrong guy in charge.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: He says, watch how I go handle this. Mis So
Speaker 1: Pierce meets with about fifty teams backstage and he says,
Speaker 1: next week, you're all in tag team turmoil, and then
Speaker 1: he runs anal that says, we gotta have a confort conversation.
Speaker 1: I guess also a confrontation, but we had a confrontation
Speaker 1: with the Miz and Gunther. Am I going to hell
Speaker 1: or what? I can't wait for Gunther to kill this guy.
Speaker 1: Miss is out there and he talks about how he's
Speaker 1: got nothing but respect for this business. Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Gunther comes out says, Mike, let me kill it. Clarify,
Speaker 1: it's not I lack respect for you. I just have
Speaker 1: zero respect for you.
Speaker 4: I've heard from you before.
Speaker 1: I don't understand this. You don't understand this ring is sacred,
Speaker 1: it's for fighting and competition. You are nothing but an entertainer.
Speaker 1: And miss Well, I don't know if you guys remember
Speaker 1: this or not, but he was on the real world
Speaker 1: and never once was he wearing a Randy Savage, Rick Rude,
Speaker 1: Mister Perfect, Sean Michaels, or Brett Hart shirt. It was
Speaker 1: only Hulkamania shirts that he wore. He claims, I just
Speaker 1: loved these these wrestlers, these Intercontinental Championship entertainers. I wanted
Speaker 1: that title. He says. The reason we talk about those
Speaker 1: guys is they were in a one note robot like you,
Speaker 1: and Gunther laughs. He says this is quite cute. And
Speaker 1: then Miss goes, I've been knocked down time and time again.
Speaker 1: I've reinvented myself. I was like, what, You're the exact
Speaker 1: same Miss.
Speaker 4: It was on the real world.
Speaker 1: You've done anything but reinvent yourself. Do you think he's Jericho?
Speaker 4: He says a minute.
Speaker 1: He says, we're gonna find out Sunday. I'm gonna climb
Speaker 1: that anyway. He's talking about this, and Gunther's just sea
Speaker 1: sick of this guy, and he goes, little Mike muzzanin,
Speaker 1: You're just a little weirdo that got bullied in high school.
Speaker 1: You pursued a career and you finally got to the
Speaker 1: big time, and what happened? They bullied you here as well,
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know what, I don't think you've
Speaker 1: been bullied enough. Fans are chatting USA fall things, and
Speaker 1: so he starts bullying the miss do something about it,
Speaker 1: and so Mis punches him, and Gunther boots him right
Speaker 1: in the face and kills him, and I'm like God,
Speaker 1: and then he finally lifts his up or whatever. Mis
Speaker 1: hits a desperation low blow hits the skull crushing finale,
Speaker 1: and Michael Cole screams, do.
Speaker 4: It for all us weirdos.
Speaker 1: Miss I'm team Gunther. Yeah, okay, just making sure.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Then we had to knock Himer and Chad Gable. Great match,
Speaker 1: I say great, but it was really good. They had
Speaker 1: some excellent wrestling early and Chad Gable's awesome. Him and
Speaker 1: Nakamura it was good stuff. And then Gable tried to
Speaker 1: cradle Knackamer, sat on him, pinned him. We still don't
Speaker 1: know who Knackamura is calling out.
Speaker 4: Didn't sit down him like Night would.
Speaker 1: But he wants somebody. They didn't hurt him or make
Speaker 1: it difficult. Ibar kind of promo on Bronson. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'll skip Survivor series. I just want to watch Ibar
Speaker 1: and Bronson next week. And then Drew McIntire Jay user
Speaker 1: for the Advantage. So Cole and Wade are arguing. Cole
Speaker 1: says Drino drucid. He never got an apology, but just
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, Jay apologize to Sammy. Wade goes,
Speaker 1: Sammy is not Drew. He said, show me one time.
Speaker 1: Ever find the footage that Jay said I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: Drew McIntyre and Michael Cole mutters revisionist history, and he goes,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? These are just facts. Find
Speaker 1: me one time. So they're doing this match and uh,
Speaker 1: Drew cuts him off, goes for the clay more. Jay
Speaker 1: hits a jumping super kick. He goes up top, Drew
Speaker 1: grabs him, hits the Future Shot pins him. What I mean,
Speaker 1: I was fine with a clean finish, but man, they
Speaker 1: jobbed out jay Uso. Here you guys complaining about Jay
Speaker 1: White should be complained about jay Uso. I got pinned
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ring clean in an advantage
Speaker 1: match with Future Shot DDT. So that everyone shows up
Speaker 1: big brawl, you know, the whole deal.
Speaker 4: Well and jay Uso though, when Cody was saying all
Speaker 4: of this stuff, had a really weird look on his
Speaker 4: face because there's somebody else he's never apologized too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not happy about Randy Orton being chosen,
Speaker 1: but Randy was chosen. He'll be there on Saturday, folks,
Speaker 1: and so I well afterwards Wrestling.
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simpervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Well, for those of you following along, yes, I've received
Speaker 1: no emails to Brian at Wrestlingobserver dot com in six weeks.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, my emails that I sent
Speaker 1: sent from Brian at Wrestlingobserver dot com. So if you replied,
Speaker 1: I didn't get any replies in the last six weeks.
Speaker 1: You know, this proves what's that You guys don't need
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Speaker 1: any of this crap. No, it's it's pointless. My life
Speaker 1: is no better or worse. Actually it's probably better. But
Speaker 1: I got no emails in the last six weeks to
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Speaker 4: You got a family, Brian. Yeah, you have the ability
Speaker 4: to go outside. Yes, yeah, books and other stimulating things
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Speaker 1: No, I don't read.
Speaker 4: Well, you do this? What do you do?
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Speaker 1: left in November, so we're gonna get them all done.
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