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I'll also be your host into the world 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.800 of hunting the icon of the North American wilderness to bear. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.400 We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation, but will also bring 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.480 you into some of the wildest country on the planet 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:40.760 chasing affair. This is a part of the podcast where 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.959 I usually say I want to draw your attention to 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:48.440 and I point you to some reputable business. I'm not 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.120 gonna say that this time, but I am gonna say, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.880 check out our new hats on at Bear Dash Hunting 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.160 dot Com. We're coming out with a new Flashy Hats 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.520 series and we've got a hat that says bear Grease, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.160 hat that says flashy Mule, and a hat that says 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:12.440 bared Dogs. So really colorful hats, their patch hats. 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Lastly, this is 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.640 another podcast where we're talking about uh white tail hunting 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.160 up in Manitoba, Canada with Tom Ainsworth grand View Outfitting. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.520 I'm with my really good old time friend Chris Roberts, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.560 so we we kind of reminisce a little bit and 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.440 tell a couple of stories, one fun story in particular 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.240 from our past. But we talked a ton about hunting 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.680 with Tom. Check out Tom Ainsworth. Man, I'm shooting myself 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.359 in the foot because if I go back, I'm sure 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.800 there's gonna be more people hunting up there. But Tom 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.760 is the real deal when it comes to Canadian white 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.760 tail hunting. It's a lot more affordable than you think. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.520 So check out grand View Outfitting called Tom Ainsworth. It's 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.360 probably a lot more doable than you think for big 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:45.920 Canadian white tail. Okay, all right, Kobe, we're starting a podcast. Now, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:51.000 can copy hear us? He's the he Colby Old Kobe 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.080 produces the podcast, So can he hear us right now? 0:03:54.720 --> 0:04:00.720 I mean, he can't he can't hear us right now, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:07.160 but when he listens to this hell here, Colby's omnipresent. Well, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.320 I was just like, this is amazing. If Colby can 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.280 hear us, Colby, can you hear us? Colby, can you 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.599 hear us? I was like, we can't get the headphone store, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:22.440 but Colby can hear us. Oh man. We are on 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.720 our way back from Canada and we just we've been 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.719 deer hunting up in Canada, and I've got my longtime 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:38.640 friend Chris Roberts with me. Um, Chris, we've known each 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.440 other since grade school. Yeah, I was trying to think 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.080 about that the other day. I think it's at least 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:49.440 second grade. Well, I mean you you started school at 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.840 the school I went to in kindergarten, right, Yeah you were, Yeah, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.080 so you were a year older and I was a 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:55.520 year older than you. So I mean we would have 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.280 known each other, but my first memories of us being 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.400 friends were maybe not real good friends, but pretty good 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.920 playground friends. Um, we're in uh in grade school? Yeah, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.479 I went over to your house in grade school. Yeah. Yeah, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:16.920 Well okay, first things first, Chris, we're gonna on this 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:22.160 pod podcast. We're gonna talk about your deer hunt in Manitoba, Canada. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.720 We're gonna talk about that, but we're also going to 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.240 talk about some other stuff and there's a few, just 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.000 like housekeeping things that we gotta get going. Okay, First 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.039 thing is, I just got a text from one of 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.000 the back country hunters and anglers and members down in Florida, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.560 Jim Hasley, And so right now they're revamping and taking 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:47.080 public input for the bear management program for Florida. So 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.880 and I want to say twenties sixteen, it could have 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.159 been fifteen. There was a bear hunt institute in Florida, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.760 which was the first one in a long time because 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:01.640 the bears are growing, numbers are strong, and they did that. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.560 They did a three quota and they met the quota 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.240 in a very short period of time. But because Florida 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.960 has such an urban population and just it kind of 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.800 is the way it is, they protested it big time. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:20.680 And because of political political influence, basically the game and 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.880 Fish kind of backed off of the bear hunt and 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.719 said they were going to close it down for a 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.720 certain period of time until they could do some study 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.920 on it to see what, um, you know, how they 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.120 were going to go forward to manage it, which basically 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.440 it was a political move by them to not get 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.080 pounded by the anti hunters. So right now and they're 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.800 taking a public period of comment for just people to 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.880 write into the government. Well, Jim told me that there 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.839 have been thirty two hundred responses. This is what the 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:56.159 Fish and Wildlife told b h A guys, And twenty 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.440 one of those responses have been from b h A members, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.039 back country hunters and English and so right now on 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.600 there's a link on the Bear Hunting Magazine uh facebook page, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.440 but there'll be links in other places. But basically back 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.680 country Hunters and anglers. They're good at organizing people. So 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.360 you can go in through their portal and basically send 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:23.080 an email to the wildlife officials with a statement about 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.400 how we believe that these bears should be managed by 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:31.120 regulated hunting, scientific base wildlife management, you know, through hunting. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.400 It's a positive thing. And so anyway, we're doing good 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.280 down there, but we need to pound them some more. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.320 Let me ask you a question, does it matter if 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.800 you live in Florida or not? Apparently not, because I 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.440 submitted a public comment and it and it went through well. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.240 And that makes sense because Florida is really big on 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.760 especially with their fishing too. You know, they because they 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.800 did actually public comments with like shark fishing and shore 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.600 fishing with that and uh because I had a buddy 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.840 who was going to go to that and so that 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.160 actually makes a lot of sense. So they do a 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.840 lot of uh, you know, people coming from out of 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.240 states fishing. So I don't know how much they promote 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.880 that with hunting, but I could see they're kind of 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.960 set up for that. So we're doing good. We're doing good, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.480 but we need to we need to keep patting them. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.520 So we'll put we'll put a link um on this 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:24.120 web page on the on our podcast notes where people 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.200 can go and easily so you don't have to put 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.400 in your information. Uh maybe you do have to put 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.040 in your email, but you it's easy to do. That's 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.880 point number one. Okay, Now onto business at hand, Chris. Okay, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.000 we've been road dripping for By the end of this thing, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.760 it's gonna be like, uh, thirty six hours together. Okay. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.520 And so the other day on the radio or well 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.880 on your playlist, came up this song called dB Cooper, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.200 dB Cooper, Tell me what you know about D B. Cooper? 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.000 Tell me the story worry of d B. Cooper. I'll 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:08.120 do my best. Um, and so I and I and 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.440 I well, and first off too, I mean this is 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.920 we were just talking about this. You know, I've I've been, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.120 you know, trying to stay up with Clay as long 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.440 as I can. And you know, he mentioned he had 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.840 a podcast, and he sends me all of his videos 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.960 and stuff, and I was like, and I love podcasts. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.920 I was like, you have a podcast? And I had 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.480 no right before this podcast, Chris realized that I had 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.719 a podcast. Yeah, and and and sinks man. Thanks Bro, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.640 no it it. I mean he sends me his videos 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.960 and all this, and yeah, if I hadn't known he 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.360 had a podcast, I would have that. So you only 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.200 listen to the stuff that I sent you. Well, I 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.959 didn't know. How would I have known you had a 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.840 I don't google Clay Nukelem. Oh you don't. I'm not, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.120 you know, I mean that would be weird. Well, welcome 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.880 to the podcast, bro. Well, thank you, and now now 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.960 you're going to get a few more subscribers. Um. But anyway, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.800 and I'm glad you you like the story. My my 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.360 girlfriend wasn't as interested that I love her to death, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.000 but anyway, so it um, this story. I found out 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.640 about this story and I was telling you is Unsolved Mysteries. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.880 That was a show I used to catch. We're taking 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.640 it way back, yeah, I mean early nineties. I mean 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.920 the host of that, I believe his name was like 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.480 Robert Stack. And I apologize for anyone if if I'm 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.920 not getting the correct version of this, but I'll do 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.720 as best as I can. So this stacts don't really 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.960 matter on this podcast. Okay, good. So this gentleman, as 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:42.040 best as I can remember, he he hijacks the plane, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.680 um and he I want to say, he hijacked it 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.440 in Seattle, somewhere in the northwest correct. Um. And he 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.319 told me this story the other day, like you were 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.600 the authority on dB Cooper. Well, that's what I expect. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.480 It's so he will. So he writes this ransom. So 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.280 he goes to the stewardess and he get hands her 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.200 her letter and he asked for two hundred He says, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.840 I have a bomb, and he asked for two hundred 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.200 thousand dollars, which this was in the seventies, so this 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.800 that was a lot of money back there. And he 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.199 signed it dB Cooper, and he also said he wanted 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.520 I don't remember how many parachutes, but at least two parachutes. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.800 Two parachutes, yeah, and um. And so anyway, they they 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.800 the FBI actually gives him the money. They marked the bills. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.880 So he hijacked the plane somehow on the ground, and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.480 they they gave him the money, and they gave him 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.720 the parachute right. I don't know if they landed in 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.160 Seattle from like Portland or anyway, maybe hijacked him in 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.240 the air, landed the plane right or it might have 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.200 been as they're taken off. Um. But anyway, and so 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.760 they give him the money and the parachutes, and he 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.520 keeps the stewardess on there and the pilots and and 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.880 they know that he knew enough about it to to 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.080 fly the plane, or knew enough about planes to know 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.400 that this type of plane that you could fly it 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:12.000 with the ladder down. And he he he asked supply 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.240 pilot to take off with the I guess the ladder 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.480 the steps down, and they wouldn't do it. And so uh, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.439 they take off and they get up at a certain altitude, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.000 and all of a sudden, the pilot realizes that he's 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:33.520 lowered the steps m and is this plane full of people. Know, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.040 he's let the people off. This was a okay, this 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.040 is a commercial flight, but it had people on it 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.720 to begin with. And they gave him them. I guess 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.319 dB had a soft heart or something. Well, you know, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.520 they gave him the money. So that was the deal. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.200 You give me the money, I'll let the people go. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.240 And he kept the pilot well he he, well he was. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.720 He was telling him he was flying down to somewhere 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.200 towards Mexico or something. And so he jumped like a 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.520 fool proof. Yeah, he jumps out parachutes out. Well, the 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:08.800 weather was not very cooperative for parachuting, like like according 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.679 from what I remember, it's like very few people at 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.960 this altitude in this weather would live through it. And 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:22.840 so he jumps and um and so the FBI like 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.440 searched for him for days and days and never found him. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 They found so one of those parachutes, and this was 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:35.080 not done intentionally, was actually a dummy parachute. Now, how 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:39.000 could the FBI unintentionally give him a dummy parachute? It 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.040 actually the FBI didn't give it to him. It was 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:46.360 the local uh uh, the local like the local local 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.640 airport or it was the local like training facility. And 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.959 so they had a dummy. Yeah, they got it well, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.680 and he grabbed it. He just grabbed it and didn't know. Yeah, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.760 and and and so it was given on accident. And 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.720 so they found that they found the dummy parachute right 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.800 then on the ground right, didn't find the original parachute. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.320 And then like a year later or two years later, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.600 on the whatever that one of the the major river 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.960 is over by Portland, they found, Now, none of those 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.080 marked bills were ever spent really, yeah, but they found 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.280 some buried by one of those rivers over a kid 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.120 was playing with his family and they found Now it 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.840 could have been just buried like they ended, like they 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.280 flew out because that's kind of over by that path. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.680 Somehow they got right. But and so the FBI claims 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.320 he died um. But but they never found dB Cooper. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:52.480 Never never found dB Cooper. Now, Wow, So so I 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:57.080 I you know, I think he made it. Yeah, dB, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.880 if you're out there now, I think he would be 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.120 retty old right now, you'd be. So why this story 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.840 is relevant is unclear at this time. But we, uh, 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.080 it's a good song. But we yeah, so we were 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:14.520 listening to that song road tripping to Manitoba going up 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.160 here to hunt. But I was I was pretty Uh, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.360 I was pretty fascinated by that story. I've never heard 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.920 of it. So yeah, search for the song DBI Cooper. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:27.680 The live versions a lot better live version dB Cooper. Um, 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.160 So Chris and I. Chris was always my buddy back 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.160 in high school that was always ready to go. I 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.680 mean back in high school, you really weren't that serious 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.120 of a hunter. I mean, you grew up hunting your dad. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.280 You hud it with your dad. You were big fisherman, 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:50.520 you were you were probably maybe maybe not a better 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:55.720 fisherman than me, but um, but you were always ready 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.480 to go. So we we coon hunted a lot. We 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.160 we did. We probably fished more than we did anything. Yeah, 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.160 but we did. We did coon hunt quite a bit. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.920 But there's one story that it's kind of iconic that 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.320 happened between us that we gotta tell, and that's that's 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.720 the story of the canoe. Yeah. I mean it kind 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.920 of shaped our lives, it did, and we did a 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.720 lot of stuff together. I always had a pretty tight curfew. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.200 But my mom if I was going out with Clay, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.120 and I don't know why, but she would say you 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.880 didn't have a curfew. She trusted me cur she did. Well, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.680 no I know why, but but she did. And so 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.720 I mean we, I mean we we did a lot 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.080 of stuff together. I mean we spent time, you know, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.960 going up on the mountain that's our our local mountain, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.760 and you know, I mean we and so, you know, 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.720 we grew up in a small town and you know, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.880 there wasn't much to do except getting trouble or be outside. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.880 And Clay always liked being outside and so any time 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.200 I had too. But what he's talking about, do you 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.600 want me to start that story? Yeah, So, so this 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.320 is the way I remember it. I was nineteen, you 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.879 were eighteen. I was my first year in college. But 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.840 I was coming home for whatever reason. And I think 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.840 it was a Saturday, and it was in the spring, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:18.040 so I remember early summer. And there was just a massive, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.639 just a downpour, uh you know, like a flash flood 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.640 type situation, and uh, you know, it probably rained three 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.480 inches in a couple of hours or something, so that 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.879 these little creeks had just swollen up. And my dad 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.040 had an old canoe, just an old beat up canoe 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.959 that leaked. It was a fibery glass canoe. With like 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:45.200 an aluminum frame on the inside, and it had been 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.280 he bought it from an old canoe outfitter somewhere on 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.200 the Washtaw River down there, and it was just sitting 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.000 at their house and uh, I think we Yeah, I'm 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.639 not sure if the canoe got the name. No, we 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.280 had called it Old Glory. Okay. We had duct taped 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.920 the leaks on this canoe and we had fished out 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.520 of it, and we had also spray painted a shark's 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.960 face on the front. I can remember when that happened. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.280 You're right, that canoe and the other thing. We called 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.520 it Old Glory. Yeah. And this creek that we had 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.240 gone by half jokingly, we had always said when it flooded, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.840 we're going to canoe that. I don't think we ever 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.760 intended to. Well. I remember I came on from college 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.280 and I called you and I said, Chris, the creek 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.960 is rolling and because it was all my drive back 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.240 to my parents house, and you said, I'll be there 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.399 in thirty minutes, and so you came to my house. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.720 We had one paddle. We did not have a life jackets, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.040 and we used my dad's old He had a big 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.320 hiking stick that we had carved out of a hickory, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.159 and he was mad at me for losing It's a 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.400 good stick. It was a good stick. It was stupid 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.520 for me to use it. But so we took that 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.439 stick a paddle and we put in and I told 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:06.200 my mom my. I told my mom, I said, Mom, 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.480 I don't know where we're gonna end up, but we're 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.080 gonna call you when we get there, and you're gonna 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.440 come pick us up. And she agreed to this. I mean, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.600 this was before our cell phones, and we were we 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.280 were just planning to take that canoe as far as 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.280 we could or wanted to, and we were just gonna 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.600 walk up to somebody's house and say, can we use 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.360 your phone to call someone to come pick us up? 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.800 And I mean, was that not the plan? Yeah, that's 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.840 the way I remember it. And I don't know how 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.040 it is. And I don't know your where your listeners are. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.560 But you know, in Arkansas where we are in a 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.359 lot of places in the South, you know, when it 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.480 rains and we get one to two inches in an hour, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.439 I mean it floods, and we get those yeah, we 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.640 get those low water bridges, and so I mean these 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.200 small creeks and so it was yeah, and so we 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.600 were going but I mean we thought we were gonna 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.400 be fine. And we had a leaky canoe named Old 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.600 Glory that it well. So so we put into the 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.040 creek and we're going down the creek and in the 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.480 first hundred yards we flipped her over and we were 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.919 able to stand in that it was but yeah, the 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.800 creek was pretty small at that point. This creek ran 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:19.919 into a bigger creek. We we uh, we flipped the 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.280 canoe in a bunch of brush that we got tangled in, 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.400 and I just remember we just flipped it back over, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.320 dumped some of the water out, and we just kept going. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.320 The canoe is filling up with water, like it's probably 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.720 full of water. When we hit when Briar Creek meets 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.679 Prairie Creek, and Prairie Creek was a big creek and 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.280 it got really wide and it was kind of smooth, 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.600 and we pulled over to the side and dumped out 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.480 and we thought this is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.840 I just remember when we when the creek merged into 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.000 the bigger creek. I mean it was like, oh it 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.439 was there were big waves and the creek was probably 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:07.400 forty fifty yards wide and just just ran out, chocolate 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.720 milk ran out into the woods. I mean it was 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.920 a straight up flood. And here we are. And when 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.000 we hit the Big Creek, I remember just saying we 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.760 were in the chips. Well, we we ride for probably 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.880 a quarter mile down the Big Creek and it crosses 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.440 a low water bridge and we crossed this low water 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.160 bridge and there's cars on either side of the low 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.440 water bridge. There's a two tone duly backing up. Yeah, 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.560 there was a big truck that was not wanting to cross. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:39.960 I mean, there's no way they would have crossed. They 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.560 would have for sure washed down the stream if they 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.159 would have crossed. But there was there was people flag 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.000 waving us down like don't do it, don't do it, 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.760 And here we come. I thought they were waving at 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.920 us like high, and so I waved to them as 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.080 we went across it. I remember you could hear them. 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.600 So the water was so high above of the bridge 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.760 and the water was sucking down into the culverts like 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.399 it wasn't a continuous flow, so it was coming and 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.360 you would just hear wolf and I mean it was 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.600 it was just this this force. But at that time 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.639 we still didn't know what we were getting. We were 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:26.360 we were This truly was one of the most foolish 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.680 things that ever did. And it just shows the lack 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:33.960 of awareness and in in we would have drowned, swamped 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.000 before the bride. The fear of God inside of me 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:42.240 and honestly, the a deep, deep respect for fast moving water. 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.680 I still still have a respect for fast yes, yeah, 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.320 and my kids have a respect for fast moving water 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.399 because of this story. So we we come across this 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.679 low water bridge and I mean, we're the waters roaring 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.399 over this bridge, and when it when it crosses the bridge, 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.919 the creek spreads out and like gets into the woods. 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.679 Like so we're I mean there's like big big trees 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.360 coming up out of the water, and we kind of 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.720 miss miss our the middle of the channel and we 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.120 get the canoe into the woods part and I remember 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.000 we t boned a tree and it flipped a canoe. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.840 And that's where I actually got that scrape on my 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.760 side was hitting that tree because I got you by it. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.320 You didn't even have a paddle, you had a stick, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.080 and so you were just pushing and whatever, and so 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.720 I backed back paddled and and got you buy it. 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.720