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Speaker 1: is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting

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Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the world

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Speaker 1: of hunting the icon of the North American wilderness to bear.

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Speaker 1: Check out back Country Hunters and Anglers Organization. These guys

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Speaker 1: are doing good stuff. I don't care what anybody says

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Speaker 1: we Uh. On this podcast, I talked about how that

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Speaker 1: check out back country Hunters and Anglers. Lastly, this is

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Speaker 1: another podcast where we're talking about uh white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: up in Manitoba, Canada with Tom Ainsworth grand View Outfitting.

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Speaker 1: I'm with my really good old time friend Chris Roberts,

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Speaker 1: so we we kind of reminisce a little bit and

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Speaker 1: from our past. But we talked a ton about hunting

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Speaker 1: with Tom. Check out Tom Ainsworth. Man, I'm shooting myself

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Speaker 1: Canadian white tail. Okay, all right, Kobe, we're starting a podcast. Now,

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Speaker 1: And so the other day on the radio or well

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Speaker 1: on your playlist, came up this song called dB Cooper,

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Speaker 1: dB Cooper, Tell me what you know about D B. Cooper?

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Speaker 1: no right before this podcast, Chris realized that I had

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Speaker 1: I don't google Clay Nukelem. Oh you don't. I'm not,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean that would be weird. Well, welcome

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Speaker 1: scared my shoes were gonna get caught up in it.

429
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: And and I remember, I honestly, I think I remember

430
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: you kind of giggling, not giggling, but laughing. And I

431
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: remember thinking to myself, like because and I think that

432
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: was because you were still holding onto the canoe. I

433
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: had no canoe. And I remember just thinking I was

434
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: a a baby. The amount of I mean, it was like, okay, water,

435
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: do with me what you will. Yeah, we we were

436
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: out of control and we didn't know it. Well. What

437
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: happened was as I look up in about fifty yards downstream,

438
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: there is a giant dead oak tree that was had

439
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: fallen down that like I remember it being a really

440
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: big log. It was huge. Yeah, like a huge tree

441
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: had fallen down into the water. And I thought, well,

442
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: when the canoe comes up against that tree, it's it's

443
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: just gonna kind pin up against the tree. I'll be

444
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: able to climb up on the tree. So this tree,

445
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: there's water going around it, there's water going under it,

446
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: there's water going over it, but it's still on top

447
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: of the water. And so you know it's it's impeding

448
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: the flow. But the river is on either side of

449
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: this tree by a long shop. But so I'm just

450
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: holding on the canoe and I think, well, when the

451
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: canoe hits the tree, it'll stick. Well, when the canoe

452
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: hit the tree. And now by by this time, Chris,

453
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: you had already been you beaten where Yeah, I was

454
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: still behind you because I saw that. I saw what happened. Yeah,

455
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: I was still behind you. Well, the canoe basically got

456
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: sucked under in a flat It was this. It was

457
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: like a piece of trash flesh down a toilet. Just

458
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: that fourteen foot canoe, aluminum frame, fiberglass, just absolutely disappeared. Gone.

459
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: And I'm holding onto that canoe, and so I disappear.

460
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking Clay's dad. And I mean that

461
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm being funny, but I remember thinking, well,

462
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Clay's dad, and I'm about to hit that too. So

463
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: you were coming up against the log two, but you

464
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 1: were out of the main current that I was and

465
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: that I was thinking about this on the way up here,

466
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: is because I just hit the where you went down,

467
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: just hit it with my feet and my arms hit

468
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: the root base and I grabbed onto that, and and

469
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: then you were I mean, you can tell that how

470
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: you want, but I still can't believe how fast you

471
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: made it up on that. But I don't know why

472
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't get more of a pull on me. I

473
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: guess it was like you were saying, it's just I

474
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't hit that main current. Yeah, I think you were

475
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: just outside of it, you know, just being outside of

476
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: it five or six ft. But I remember being sucked

477
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: under the water and just water pressing down. I mean,

478
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: it just felt like somebody was just pushing my head

479
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: under the water. And for the first time ever in

480
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: my life and the only time since then, I I

481
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: thought this is what it feels like to die. I

482
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: really thought that. I thought this is what it feels

483
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: like to drown. And it wasn't because I was sucking

484
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: in water or something or or it wasn't even because

485
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: it was that long. It was just because the force

486
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: of the water the canoe. I just thought this is

487
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: how it didn't I had enough time to think about

488
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: And this sounds corny, but it is just true. Is

489
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: I had enough time to think, somebody's gonna call my

490
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: mother and tell her that I'm dead. I thought that

491
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: because when we left, we told my mom, we're gonna

492
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: call you, and I had the time to think, someone

493
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: will call my mother and tell her that I'm dead. Well,

494
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: I all I remember, and and it was, honestly, it was.

495
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: It was just the grace of God. I remember reaching

496
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: my arm up out of the water and there was

497
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: a limb or root or something that I grabbed onto

498
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: and was able to pull myself up out of it

499
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: and crawl up on the log. I just know you

500
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: made it out of the water very fast. Yeah, I

501
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: mean I was. I was like, and you were still

502
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: pinned up against the log down on the other side. Yeah.

503
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: And and I remember later you questioned this and it

504
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: but and then you made me question it. But there

505
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: was I swear in that root bed there was the water.

506
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: But well, that's what you said, because when I popped

507
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: up on the log, you said, there's a snake, get

508
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: up here, and I'm like, Clay, there's a water boxing

509
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: right here. And so then you're you're honestly pulled off

510
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: a limb and it's hitting the root bead and it

511
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: it just slithered on into the root bed and so

512
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I had to climb over where it was and it

513
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. But I remember, yeah, I mean you're

514
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: like okay, and just went to work breaking off branches

515
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: and being to scare it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

516
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: remember that. So we got up there, Chris on the

517
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: root ball, and do you remember what we did? I

518
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: remember when we I think what you're talking about. It

519
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: was before we got up on the root ball. It

520
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: was after we got I think it was after we

521
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: climbed up a little bit. We prayed, Yes we did, Yeah,

522
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: we we. So now we're safe on this law and

523
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out how we're gonna get out

524
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: of this river. And we were scared to death. I

525
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: was scared, and yeah, a little bit of scared and

526
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: relieved because I mean, if we had to, I think

527
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: we could have sat there until it went. Yeah, I

528
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: mean it was well, I don't know, well, I remember

529
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: we prayed. Remember just thank God that we were alive,

530
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: because I I've I honestly have since the knocking knock

531
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: on wood I have not felt that helpless. Yeah, I

532
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: mean the power of water that much force. Um, well,

533
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: it was well, and you still you questioned me on

534
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: us to the limb. We climbed out on it. Then

535
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: that night we had we had really high winds, and

536
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: we went back to look at the canoe and that

537
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: limb had fallen. There was a big limb about as

538
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: big around as a I don't know, it's probably fourteen inches.

539
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: A big limb of this oak was hanging out over

540
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: a piece of dry It was it was dead. It

541
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: was dead. And we inched our way out on that

542
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: and dropped about twelve feet to the bank and walked out.

543
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: And I'll give you props because you went first, because

544
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: you had to go over that over the water to

545
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: get to land, and you went first and it held

546
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: you and you dropped and I went second, and we dropped.

547
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: And then the next day we came back and it

548
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: would have had it broke off. And that I swear

549
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: that what we did is we walked to the nearest house,

550
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: which just happened to be somebody we knew, do you

551
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: remember Mrs Graves, Yeah, and one of our old school teachers.

552
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: And uh, we didn't call my mom, though, we called

553
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: our other buddy to come pick us up. I don't

554
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: remember why we did that, but we called we called

555
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: our buddy. But so that was an iconic story that

556
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: really just taught me to have respect for for it

557
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: was just stupid at least. Yeah, it was just everything

558
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: about it was stupid. Did you know that I had

559
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: another significant water experience once in Alaska? I mean just

560
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: it has just been the last few years. No, you

561
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: don't listen to bear any magazine podcast, you probably wouldn't know. No,

562
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: but I've had them coming the e er man and

563
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: they it's not pretty. Once, while I was in Alaska

564
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: in a boat and bear hunting, I had a me

565
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: and the guide got clotheslined by a limb, a log

566
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: that was hanging out over the water while we were

567
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: riding up the lake, up the river, and it it.

568
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: I was in the front of a fourteen foot John

569
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: boat with a jet motor. I was standing in front

570
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: of that boat with my back turned looking back the

571
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: way we'd come, so I wasn't looking in front of me,

572
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: and oh man, those Alaskan rivers are littered with just

573
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: logs and root balls, and they're treacherous and Uh, that

574
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: tree just clothesline me. And all I saw, all I

575
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: know is I did two full flips in that boat.

576
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: And I was back at the motor fourteen foot John

577
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: boat and I was my head was by the motor

578
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: of the john boat and the guide was in the

579
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: back driving the john boat. And when I come to

580
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: he is in the water. He's wearing waiters and this

581
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: is icy cold Alaskan river and I see him bobbing

582
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: up and down in the river, and I grabbed a

583
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: stick and just dive it into the bank. Whow you know,

584
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: just damn just crashing into the bank just to make

585
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: it stop. And he comes floating by me, bobbing, and

586
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: he's wearing waiters. I mean, so he's in in. The

587
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: water was fast, but it was not deep. I mean

588
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: it was probably chest deep, but moving fast, and he

589
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: was able to just kind of just roll his way

590
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: to the bank, and you know, he popped up forty

591
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: yards downstream, and uh, but he all is all our technology,

592
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: well his communication technology got messed up getting wet and stuff.

593
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was another thing that put that ruined

594
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: that hunt for me. That was Date seven hunt, and

595
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: it just took the steam out of me just yeah,

596
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: it really did. It scared me and I was just

597
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: it it actually again, it put the fear of God

598
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: in me. I mean, just have you seen those those

599
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: really small life vests that are instantaneous inflatable. Huh. Yeah,

600
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: you should look into those when you're up there with those.

601
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean they're like they're like waste belts and you

602
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: can just yeah, they wear them like fishing and like

603
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: we'd wear them when we were sailing and stuff. Yeah yeah,

604
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they're pretty expensive, but I mean

605
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: they it's something like that. I would want one. Yeah. Well, hey,

606
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: I didn't mention Chris Roberts. My buddy Chris Roberts is

607
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: a medical doctor. Have you ever have you ever dealt

608
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: with anybody in the er? Uh, from any kind of

609
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: hunting related accident? Some more. Fishing, you get a lot

610
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: of fish hooks, fish hooks. Pretty good at taking fish

611
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: hooks out, Yeah, I mean that's pretty easy. The worst

612
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: one I saw was a fish hook right in the

613
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: middle of an eye. Oh really? Yeah? Did you have

614
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: to take that out? Know that one was flown to

615
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: a children's center, so you looke it and you just

616
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: said take this guy surgery. I don't know. Yeah, how

617
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: old a person was its teens? Really did was it

618
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: him or his brother or it was? Yeah? They right

619
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of his eye, right through the Yeah

620
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the good part of that. Do you think he lost

621
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: his sight? Probably? Did he really? Probably? What? What? What? Well?

622
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: You probably can't well. So a lot of fishing related acts,

623
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: no hunting related acts, I'm sure I have. I'm trying

624
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: to think. Um, I mean a lot of times when

625
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: it I mean literally, I mean I worked the job

626
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: I do to take AWF a lot during hunting. Um,

627
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: But I mean you do get I mean I have

628
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: had some gunshot wounds, but those are usually hunting related,

629
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: not hunting related. No, And you know most of the

630
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: uh you know, when would you think most of the

631
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: knife wounds are when most of what most of the

632
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: like knife knife wounds are like when people cut themselves

633
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: with knives. But I don't know. Christmas morning, Oh is

634
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: that right? Almost every every I've worked a lot of

635
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Christmas Is and kids will come in opening presents and

636
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: cut themselves. Yeah, and so I get to have a

637
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: little spill with them about Yeah, a little safety talk

638
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: with Dr Roberts saying, hey, kids, you know, be careful

639
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: with them. But that's that's pretty common to see kids

640
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: on Christmas morning. That's crazy. Well, tell me a little

641
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: bit about your hunting, Chris. So, like, growing up, you

642
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: were definitely exposed to hunting. I mean, your dad was

643
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: a hunter, but you were not a big serious hunter

644
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: until later and you know, probably when you were in

645
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: your late twenties maybe. Yeah, my dad really loved hunting,

646
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: and he did a lot of actually bird hunting, uh,

647
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, before we lost the queil in Arkansas, um,

648
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, he was a forest ranger in Mississippi,

649
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: and so he he really loved turkey hunting and and

650
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: was you know, did a lot of deer hunting and stuff.

651
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: And so when I when I was a kid, I

652
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: really loved hunting and wanted to hunt. Um. And so, uh,

653
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: my dad had kind of give up hunting just you know,

654
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of I don't know, it

655
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: had gotten to be just you know, it was you know,

656
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: it just it gotten to be too busy for him.

657
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it wasn't too busy. I don't

658
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: know how to say it, but it was, you know,

659
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: he just didn't pursue it real hard. Writer in life

660
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: right later in life, and and so he still loved fishing,

661
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: and so I mean we fished, you know, in high school.

662
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: We were there fishing or shooting basketballs and so. Um.

663
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: So I really had you know, kind of I mean,

664
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: he he would take me hunting and we would go hunting.

665
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: But I had to be very persistent. But it wasn't

666
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: till you, after you got out of med school that

667
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: he started hunting a lot. Is that right? Until I

668
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: started pushing it? Um. Yeah, And so you know, he

669
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: he didn't bow hunt a lot, and so I had

670
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: to you know, getting back with you was where I

671
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: started bow hunting a lot. And then you know, there

672
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: are a lot of people in med school that that

673
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: hunt a lot, but for me, it was it would

674
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: have been difficult. And so in medical school, I without

675
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: being tuned into it, it would have been hard for

676
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: me to yeah, to start that up. Well. One of

677
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: the one of the things that that was fun for

678
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: me to see is that what year did you kill

679
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: the buck? We called gladiator? Uh? I think? Okay, So

680
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Chris contexts me, and you've lived in a different town

681
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: than me. I mean, I haven't seen you in probably

682
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: five or six years. To be honest, it's been what

683
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: if we had it just been hit and mess and

684
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: and you said, hey, I'm coming to Arkansas. I want

685
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: to come see you lived in Arkansas. Okay, well you're

686
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: coming northwesterna And uh, I don't remember how it happened,

687
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: but I said, well we'll come up here. And well, no, no, no,

688
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: I gave I l I lent you my bow. Yeah,

689
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: we shot, we shot at my house. You liked it.

690
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: You said, I'm wanting to get into bow hunting. And

691
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I said, well, hey, just take this bow and just

692
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, shoot it for a season and if you

693
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: like it, you can buy bow. And so it was

694
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: that Matthews d x T well season came around and

695
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: I said, well, why once you come for the weekend

696
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: and we'll hunt. And you had never killed a deer

697
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: with a bow at that time. And I took you

698
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: to a farm over there that I hunt a lot,

699
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: and I said, Chris, shoot the first. There's no shame

700
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: in this. We'll tell the short version. I said, shoot

701
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the first deer that you see. And what I'm learning

702
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: is that if I tell something to Chris, he does it,

703
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: I do. And the first year he saw he shot

704
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: and it was a small deer, very small, but it

705
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: was a young dough medium dog. It was a great uh,

706
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: it's great eating. So there's no shame in that. I

707
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: had to kind of talk him through that after I

708
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: ribbed him a little bit. But it was your first

709
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: bow kill, though, Yeah, you literally looked up. Well, yeah,

710
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: I had to to two kills and one day. Man,

711
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: that was a heck of a day. So we after

712
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: he killed that dough, well, we went hunting that afternoon

713
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: over by my house. And uh, I was taking a

714
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: buck pretty serious in a certain place and and that

715
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: I had another spot and I put Chris there and

716
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: I said, hey, there was also a big buck in there.

717
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: And I didn't want you shooting a dough and that's

718
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: going in there and kind of messing it up. So

719
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I said, I said, you killed a deer this morning.

720
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Speaker 1: You got some meat. I said, I'm gonna put you

721
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: in this spot and the own didn't. I say, the

722
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: only deer I want you to shoot is this this

723
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: big bucket. Well, there was there was a there was

724
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: a call. There there was a call to call. It

725
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: wasn't a call, I mean, it was just it was

726
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: deer like that, but it was a it was a

727
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: deer that that you know wasn't the most attractive deer.

728
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: And then there was two smaller bucks that that you said,

729
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I couldn't you know that that you wanted to wait

730
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: until next year. And then there was gladiator. So in

731
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: this gladiator buck was a big ten point with kickers,

732
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: and he was okay, well it was a ten point

733
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: with a kicker, so main frame ten with one kicker.

734
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't think that deer was

735
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: gonna show up. I didn't think you had a chance

736
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: in the world with seeing that deer. I know, I

737
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: figured that. I wasn't trying to put you in the girl.

738
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: I was just being honest with you. I mean, I

739
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go hunt this. I couldn't take

740
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: people on this other property I was going to, so

741
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: I put you on a property that I could take

742
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: people to. And uh man, I'll be dang if it

743
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: like four o'clock I get a text from you. But

744
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: we got poured on poor and rain. Yeah, poor and rain.

745
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: And you say, glad I shot that big buck. I said,

746
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: I think I shot that big buck. I couldn't believe it. Yeah,

747
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. And then it was poor and

748
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: rain when you shot it. And basically we didn't fight

749
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: until the next day after I had to leave to

750
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: go on a bear hunt. Spent hours looking for going

751
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: for hours and hours by yourself because I had to leave.

752
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: He found the buck, was gonna give up. I said,

753
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: this is a true story, I said, and I am

754
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: not exaggerating. I said, I am gonna walk this one

755
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: more time. And I, you know, I kind of, you know,

756
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I sat down and said, all right, you know, God,

757
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: if you want me to find this buck, it's your will.

758
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: And I said and I and I kind of sat

759
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: down too, and I said, you know, I'm gonna look

760
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: at this and see where where would I go if

761
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I was a deer, which was kind of corny, but

762
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, I was gonna walk to And I said,

763
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk this in one more time and then

764
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm done. And I walked it one And this is

765
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: never half tried this many a time before, was looking

766
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: for a deer. That's never worked. I mean I tried it,

767
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, I have tried it recently, but and and

768
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: walked it and walk it back where we had walked

769
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: numerous times and looked over and there he was. Yeah,

770
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: and and I honestly did not think he was. I mean, yeah,

771
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was, it was it was

772
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: a perseverance. It was you know, it wasn't the best shot.

773
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a good shot. Take it. He was,

774
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, I mean he was

775
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: a yeah. Yeah, I hit him back, but I mean

776
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I took a bad shot broadside twenty yards.

777
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I just second deer. Yeah, And uh, well, and that

778
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: was a really awesome experience for for both of us,

779
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: and it kind of it kind of united us in

780
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: a hunting sense because it was I mean, that was

781
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: a good deer for for where we're hunting, and uh,

782
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, two deer in the same day and that

783
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: kind of got you going bow hunting. And since then

784
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: you've done it all on your own. Yeah, I mean

785
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: you've you've Chris has lived all in several different places

786
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: in the country, talking in to put me on one

787
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: again over there, but yeah, you try every year. I

788
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: sent him a picture and he goes, is that the

789
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: deer you're gonna put me on? Um? But that's why

790
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: we went to Canada together, right, What a perfect segue. Yeah,

791
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: So we we're we're on our way back from Manitoba, Canada,

792
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: and uh so we've already done a podcast. We talked about,

793
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: uh my hunt, but I want to talk about Chris's hunt,

794
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: because Chris learned a lot coming into this hunt, coming

795
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: into Canada. Uh. We we talked a lot about judge

796
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: and deer. We talked about a lot about what to expect,

797
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: and uh, why don't you just go ahead and started

798
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: off Chris just talking about well experience and kind of

799
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: what happened. Well, first of all, I mean, I want

800
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: to thank you again for taking me up here and

801
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: it you know, it is it has been an amazing experience.

802
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: And and you know, and that's and that's one thing too,

803
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: is and you did you did bring up a good

804
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: point is as I did learn a lot, and I

805
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, I did kill it a deer that was

806
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: not as big as a deer that I intended on killing.

807
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: But I'm still you know, you know, happy with that deer.

808
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: But you know it it it the learning curve is

809
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: pretty steep. It is steep. But but one thing you

810
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: said is is I learned a lot, but you learn

811
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot by doing by hunting. Um And that's you know.

812
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: And that's one thing is is you know, I wish

813
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: that I had, you know, a long time ago been

814
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: doing the stuff right now, because you know, you just

815
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: got to go out and do it and learn and

816
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: and and it's like, you know, with the muzzleloader and

817
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: using that. That was my first time to use a

818
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: muzzleoader because I'm so into bows and it. You know,

819
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: it's learning muzzleoaders. And now it's like, you know, and

820
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: from using that and and and so much. But anyway,

821
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: so with my hunt, um, you know, Clay had been

822
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: talking a lot and and maybe you know, he had

823
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: been emphasizing how these bucks can be difficult to judge

824
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: um and they are. Um. And part of that One

825
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: of the things we're looking for up here is and

826
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: and this is one of the things that Tom Are,

827
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: our outfitter, was talking about, was mass. Yeah, um and

828
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: uh and then and so you're looking at that, but

829
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: you're also looking at extremely large deer, even body large

830
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: body even on two deer over two hundred pounds for sure.

831
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: What you mean when you say mass is that that

832
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: is that's kind of like the thing that if a

833
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: deer does not have good mass all the way out

834
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: on the horn, he's probably not a mature animal here.

835
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: Now in Arkansas, you can kill a spinding e ract

836
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: big buck, that's probably a mature animal. UM Mass is

837
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: a good indicator of age in most places, but up

838
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: here that's what these The Duck Mountains of southern Manitoba

839
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: has its mass and it's not necessarily known for world

840
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: record scores, even though there's some incredible scoring deer. And

841
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: it's only we were hunting sixty miles from where Milo

842
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Hanson killed the world record. So I mean not to

843
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: say that there's not a giant deer up here, but

844
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: but they're known for mass, So carry on. It's just

845
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: want to qualify what you said, right, And so you know,

846
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: my first day I went out and hunted and and

847
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: did not see it was kind of one of those

848
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: spots and that's hunting, and it was kind of it

849
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: was at a spot that it's called the swamp and

850
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. You didn't see it here the first uh,

851
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: which I mean, I really wasn't that upset about because

852
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of Tom and told me it's the

853
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: spot where you don't see a lot, but a lot

854
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: of times when you do. Um. You know, it's it

855
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: could be that spot. There's no food source or anything.

856
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: It literally is just a swamp in between two thick

857
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: bedding areas, open open swamp with big tall grass, and

858
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna catch them crossing. And it was it was

859
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: windy and cold. This whole hunt was cold. Um, And

860
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: so was it the next day that I was setting

861
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: next morning, the very next morning. The next morning, Um,

862
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: we went in and we uh uh went out on

863
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: in afalfa field, and uh, you were hunting on the

864
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: other f alfa field. We were both on a I

865
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: was on sitting on a nine acre flf alfael field

866
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: and you were sitting on about a fifteen acre flf

867
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: alfa field. I think, right, wasn't that even that big?

868
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it's eight acres. But apparently they like my feld better,

869
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: it seemed to this time. Um. But very quickly, you know,

870
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: I opened up, you know the window I was in,

871
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: and so we're setting in these little huts. Tom calls

872
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: them huts, Tom Ainsworth, just a little little box blinds

873
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: that are on the ground. And you creep in there

874
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: before daylight, get in there, and uh, what's crazy is

875
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: these dear don't even hardly spook off the field. I

876
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: mean are well, they don't if you creep in there

877
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: without light, you're not gonna spook deer for the last part,

878
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: all right. And and to me, I mean, you know,

879
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: I've done hunts that that are you know, back and

880
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: where I'm carrying in my tree stand and running and gunning,

881
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: and I've done, you know, hunts on private land. And

882
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I've done you know, hunts on public land, not as

883
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: many as you. And you know, I love this just

884
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: as much. I mean, this is it had its own

885
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: aspect of it. I'm sitting out there in cold and

886
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I mean it's temperature of

887
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: that morning was three degrees. Yeah, it was. It was

888
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: extremely cold, and so you know, and so we're we're

889
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: sitting out there and you know, these some large doughs

890
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: started coming out. Um. And then I quickly see a

891
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: just as the sun starts the sun's coming up, and

892
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: then I quickly see a buck um. And this was

893
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: an eight point And so then I I got to

894
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: start thinking, is this one of these deer we're talking about? Um?

895
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: And me and Clay had been talking about this as long,

896
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: and then Tom had also gets some input and and

897
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: maybe this is where it went wrong and and and

898
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: it's almost like we had emphasized it too much. And

899
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I think I'll have my take home on it. But

900
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: one thing that Tom had said was if if it's

901
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: if it's racks passed his ears, and I remember hearing that.

902
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: And these deer were out past two hundred yards, um.

903
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at him and and also too,

904
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: and as you know, but you know, for for your

905
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: listeners is is these deer. I've never seen dear over

906
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds and so these almost looked like cows

907
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: coming out, um. And so I'm trying to decide, and honestly,

908
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and as I told you, I didn't. I thought that

909
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: this buck was not what we were looking for. You

910
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: thought he was not correct. I mean I wasn't for sure.

911
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: And what we're looking for, we weren't. We There was

912
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: never a score put on it. You know, last year

913
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: I killed a buck in Manitoba that it was eighteen

914
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: inches wide, had five inch bases and good masks all

915
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: the way up, the antler ten and a half inch

916
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: g two's. So I mean this big, massive frame, the

917
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: buckaway two and forty eight pounds, but it scored a

918
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four inches, and I think one of

919
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: the coolest deer's, dear, I've seen, and I think one

920
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: of the the best looking and deer you've killed. Yeah,

921
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: And so I say that to say, like we people

922
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: that just think about score, you're gonna get thrown on.

923
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's not like, Okay, Chris, go

924
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: out and only shoot a hundred and fifty buck today

925
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: like that. You would lose so many killer deer if

926
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: you did that. And that's that seems to be the

927
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: way a lot of people think, especially when they're hunting

928
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: real big buck country, you know, like if you're hunting Iowa,

929
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: if you're hunting Canada. But man, I'll tell you what,

930
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: you'll pass a lot of awesome deer. And the truth

931
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: is that most deer don't score near as much as

932
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: what people say they do. I sent that picture of

933
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: my buck last year, Chris to people that knew better,

934
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't tell them what it scored, and they

935
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: would text me back, and I mean maybe they would

936
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: being nice, but they were like, man, that's gotta be

937
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty inch, dear. I had knowledgeable people.

938
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: I think that was a hundred sixty inch and that

939
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: was a good picture, you know what I mean? And

940
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: I was like, no, one thirty four and they were like,

941
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: no way. But point being is that people, when your

942
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: buddy says he killed a one fifty, he probably didn't.

943
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: It's just the truth. Uh So I say all that

944
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: to say, when you talk about the deer, we were

945
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: after a mature buck with good masks. And boy, Tom

946
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: has some shed antlers and dead heads and pictures of

947
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: some little deer that are probably fifteen inches wide but massive,

948
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: mature for and a half five and a half year

949
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: old deer that just they weren't they well he called

950
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: he called the deer with tight antlers bush bucks, and

951
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: he called bucks with big white antlers prairie bucks. Yeah.

952
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: But so you weren't looking for a one forty year

953
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: one fifty one six, You're looking for a mature, heavy antler. Yeah.

954
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 1: I wanted a deer that, like he called it, coke

955
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: cans and something, honestly, And so I was trying to

956
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: decide if this deer had mass and and and and right,

957
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: and Tom wasn't trying to throw me off, but I

958
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: mean it just kind of confused because I wanted something

959
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: that gave me that concrete. This is it? You were

960
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: you were looking for the one thing which has that. Actually,

961
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think it is, um, and

962
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: so it Tom said, you know, if it's out past

963
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: the tears, and he kind of he probably threw in

964
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: there and it's a mature buck, but I just heard,

965
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 1: if it's out past the tears. And so I watched

966
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: this deer for a while, and then he was he

967
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: chased a dough and ran off, and there was another

968
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: one there who who you know, he wasn't out past

969
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: his ears and might have had more mass. I don't know.

970
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean these deer were out pretty far, and UM

971
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: watched him for a while and they had gone over

972
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: the heel and they were feeding and and and then

973
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: like I said, he had ran back in closer, and

974
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: I saw he was clearly as you saw. I mean,

975
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: he was good what four inches past his years? Yeah,

976
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: And so I remember thinking, well, you know this deer

977
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: is so big that his mass look, you know, I

978
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: con I said, this is what we're after, you know,

979
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: And so uh he uh um he ran away where

980
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have a shot. And and the other one

981
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: that was there I decided was not a buck. That

982
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: I just I mean, he was an eight point that

983
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: what wasn't maybe about past his years, but he could

984
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: have had that mass. I couldn't tell. And so, you know,

985
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm watching them and then, uh, they're out there feeding

986
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: and he's chasing around. Well, then this buck comes back

987
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: over that hill and so I pulled the muzzleloader up

988
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: and he's right at a hundred and thirty four yards

989
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: and uh, go to shoot and misfire, and so the

990
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: muzzleloader missfires the cap. So we're using four or nine

991
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: primers to shooting as two two nine. Foord is the

992
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: cleaner two or nine primers, using the c V A

993
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: what was accurate l R yeah, CB a Acura l

994
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: R yeah, and a good gun. Yeah, misfires the cap.

995
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: The primer goes off, the gun does not night, and

996
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: then break the gun open and put another primer in correct,

997
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: find the deer again, pull the trigger. Pop, Yeah, cap

998
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: doesn't go off. Break the gun down. This is the

999
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: first time I've ever had it with a muzzle load

1000
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, break the gun down, put another primary in,

1001
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: put it on the deer. And I don't know if

1002
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: I had was it three or four? Well, I thought

1003
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: it misfired three times, and you shot it on the fourth. Yeah,

1004
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say. I'm pretty sure because

1005
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I think you did it again. The deer don't move,

1006
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: the deer aren't scared. They don't even look at it, dude.

1007
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,479
Speaker 1: And so I did it again, and it and it goes,

1008
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: it misfires and and I didn't know that this was

1009
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: even a possibility. And so I goes like, well, I'm

1010
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: done because I had left my ramrod in the truck.

1011
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean this I was, you know, I was cooking

1012
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: with gas this day. I mean, and so I the

1013
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: way I remember it, as I started to lift the gun,

1014
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: so I and then the gun goes off. It was

1015
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: delayed delayed ignition. Theypmare for muslods, right, And the bucket

1016
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: actually moved to like a hundred and fifty four yards.

1017
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean I had a compensated for that. Oh really,

1018
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: So he was moving back? Yeah, okay, and uh it

1019
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: was actually angling away at that time. But and so I,

1020
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: so I thought there's no way I hit this deer. Yeah,

1021
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: And went and looked for blood and looked for blood

1022
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: and looked for blood and did not find blood. I

1023
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: thought there was no way. I hit this deer. Yeah,

1024
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: and it turns out I did actually hit that deer

1025
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: with a long story, but we found the deer the

1026
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: next day. Yeah, we found the deer the next day.

1027
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: And uh, the deer I mean been eaten to the

1028
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: bone by coyotes within a day. I mean there was

1029
00:58:54,520 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: nothing left but horns and ears in one eyeball. Yeah.

1030
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: So that that was. And he was not what I

1031
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: was looking for. Yeah, and that's I mean, he was,

1032
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't want to take away.

1033
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean, any buck is a you know, yeah, I

1034
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: mean I've I'm proud of any deer I killed. I mean,

1035
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: but this is a trip where I was, you know,

1036
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: traveling looking for Honestly, it was it was. It was

1037
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: a nice probably two year old deer from here, and

1038
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, well and the fact that I didn't get

1039
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: his meat bothers you know. Oh yeah, you you said

1040
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, you were like, dude, I'm coming

1041
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: up here to kill a big buck meat. I mean,

1042
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: you want a big orange too, But right, I mean

1043
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I for me, yeah, yeah, I mean I make summer sausage.

1044
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: I make venison jersey in the deer to give you

1045
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: the deer was at least seventeen inches wide. Yeah, and

1046
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: but you know short times, short brows, short threes. But

1047
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: in uh, in my take home on how you mudge now,

1048
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: so that okay, that's where we're going now is what

1049
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: did you learn? So my So the next day I

1050
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: went out and set in the same uh said, in

1051
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: the same blind or whatever you wanna call it, hut,

1052
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: and um actually saw one of the coolest things. Um

1053
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: I've well, actually that night I because I thought I

1054
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: had had missed. Oh yeah. And so that night I

1055
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: said on the other um on the alfalfa field that

1056
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: Clay had set on. And as we're going to to

1057
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: um as as dusk is coming on, I hear this

1058
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? I thought it was bigfoot? Um, but

1059
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, it was a buck roar. It happened

1060
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: like four times. And and I actually if it would

1061
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: have just happened once, I would not do what it

1062
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: You you can you can try to replicate it goes

1063
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: and it did it four times, sounded just like that.

1064
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: But then it started a really really mature grunt, so

1065
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have even known it was a deer unless

1066
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: it followed up with this a normal bat. Yeah. Yeah,

1067
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: really mature grunt and it's just cutting through these woods

1068
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: in between. Um. Uh, these two a foul fulfills. But

1069
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's like the first one. I was like,

1070
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: what the heck was I mean, I mean, I really

1071
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: don't believe in Bigfoot, but I might have if it

1072
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: had just happened once. And but it did it four times.

1073
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I'm pretty sure it was a

1074
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: roar um and then it was just grunting and I

1075
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: tried to record it on my phone but that didn't work. Um.

1076
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: But then the next morning, I was sitting in the

1077
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: blind where I thought I had missed that buck, and uh,

1078
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: I I walked to it, and I, uh, we actually

1079
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: got in a little earlier that morning, because we kind

1080
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: of barely got in, I mean for the sun, and

1081
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: I opened, you know, the windows in it, and I

1082
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: can just see these blobs out in the field and

1083
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: they're huge blobs and I can't make out what they are.

1084
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: And as the sun and actually I thought I spooked

1085
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: to coyote beside me. It could have been a small deer.

1086
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, but as the sun's coming up,

1087
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I can you know, I knew they were dear. But

1088
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: as the sun's coming up. I can slowly make them

1089
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: out more and more, and then the one these two

1090
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: to my left. I still I can't make out racks,

1091
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: but I can make out they're fighting, and I can

1092
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: you can see them pushing. You can hear their horns

1093
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: fi and I can hear them just you know, just clacking,

1094
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that is so cool. I've never

1095
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: seen bucks fight. And and the light comes up and I,

1096
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, put my bionos on them and they're they're

1097
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: small box and then two and I mean, I'm not

1098
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: making this up. It sounds like I am. And then

1099
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: telling the truth, Chris. Forty yards from that, two other

1100
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: bucks are feeding beside each other, and it's it's like

1101
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: they kind of looked at each other and they said, hey,

1102
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: let's fight. Those guys are fighting. And so they started fighting.

1103
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: And they were about the same size as the other two.

1104
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: And so they're fighting. And then fifty to sixty yards

1105
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: from that or these huge, massive deer and and I

1106
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: couldn't make them out, and so I start looking at

1107
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: them and I'm like, those are those are big deer.

1108
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: And then as the sun keeps coming up, I look

1109
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: up at them and they start fighting. And so there's

1110
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: three sets of bucks fight, three sets of bucks fighting.

1111
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: How many does are out there? Twelve? It was a

1112
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: rough gas. I mean it, yeah, I mean probably twelve.

1113
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 1: I just remember when you talk to me, you said

1114
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: there's twenty deer in front of me. Yeah, So, I

1115
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: mean it was. And and the I remember though, when

1116
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: I saw the two big bucks. And this is my

1117
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: take home point is I looked at him and I

1118
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: and I'm looking through the buyos and I go, oh,

1119
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: this is what they mean by mass And it was.

1120
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: And so I think my take home is is if

1121
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: you've hunted and you've seen decent deer, you know, good

1122
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: sized deer, and if you're questioning it, then it's probably

1123
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: not and so and and if you see you know,

1124
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: when you see Clay's deer on his video, and that's

1125
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: a gimme. But it's like if it comes out and

1126
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's what they mean, yeah, then you know, yeah,

1127
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean it. And I mean it can be a

1128
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: seven or an eight point and I mean it's I mean,

1129
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: if you're one one fifty, you know you're probably not

1130
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna get it from that. But to me, it's like, oh,

1131
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: that's what they want. I mean, that's what they mean.

1132
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: And it was just that easy. And so you've got

1133
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: this eight and a ten just out there, and I

1134
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: mean it's just just too dear that just start dwarfing

1135
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: everything else. Yeah, man, I wish I could have seen

1136
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: that with you. I wish wish, Yeah, I wish you

1137
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: could have got some. I mean it's something i'll probably

1138
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: never see again. Well maybe next year, yeah if I

1139
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: but I'll probably be in that stand next year. Maybe

1140
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: I'll be in the one you've been in. Kill two.

1141
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean I'll take that. Oh man, Well you learned

1142
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: a tone, You've learned a ton and judging these deer. Here,

1143
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: here's my synopsis on judge and these deer, is that you,

1144
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: first of all, you've got to make sure that you're

1145
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: looking at a mature animal. And I talked about a

1146
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: ten point that I saw on the podcast with Tom,

1147
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: where you know, you can be looking at an immature

1148
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: animal and his rack may look giant, but it's an

1149
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: immature body. And the deer's body characteristics are not you know.

1150
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: And so if he's if he's out past his ears,

1151
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: but he's a two year old, you know that, then

1152
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be what you're after. But boy, if

1153
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: it's a fully mature buck with that big extended brisket,

1154
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: a huge neck um sagging back, I mean up here,

1155
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: you're truly looking for a mature deer, I mean a

1156
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: five year old deer. And m boy, if he if

1157
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: he looks like he has any rack at all and

1158
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: he's got a body like that, he's a deer, you

1159
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: probably want to shoot. Yeah, And I and I think

1160
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: also too, And I think Tom would be okay when

1161
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: we's saying this though, But if you see that ten

1162
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: point of that clay, Saul and you want to take that, heck, yeah,

1163
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Tom's okay with that well, And and you know, and

1164
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: I would have got the cool thing to me about this,

1165
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: And is any hunt any hunt? I don't care what

1166
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: you're doing. You've got to have goals and objectives. I

1167
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: mean you and that the goal in your objective maybe

1168
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: to go there and have fun and get some meat.

1169
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: And if that is your goal objective, then shoot the

1170
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: first legal animal that you see. You can also go

1171
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: into hunt like we did, Chris, and like I did,

1172
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: and my goal was to get some amazing organic Manitoba

1173
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: protein and to kill a mature buck. I didn't. Honestly,

1174
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: I didn't care if it was a hundred thirty or

1175
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty. I really didn't. It may be

1176
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: hard for you to believe that, but it's true. I

1177
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: would have shot a hundred and thirty inch heavy racked

1178
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: buck like last year and been thrilled. And uh, I

1179
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: just was fortunate and killed one that was a lot

1180
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: bigger than that. But but I had an objective. My

1181
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: objective was to kill a mature deer. And uh. And

1182
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: so whatever you set your goal for, you know, you

1183
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: want to hit that target, you don't want to well, yeah,

1184
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: and that's what's fun about having goals and objectives inside

1185
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: of hunting. Well, and I think there's nothing wrong with

1186
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: the fact too. I mean it's you know, I came,

1187
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: we've drove, you know, we've put in a lot of

1188
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: time to come up here to Manitoba, you know. And

1189
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: I you know, and I'm paying my hard earned money

1190
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: to to get a deer that I might not ever

1191
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: see in my lifetime. And and and you know, it

1192
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: actually bothers me more that I'm I'm coming home without

1193
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: me from my dear you know. But at the same time,

1194
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: it's Okay. You know, if I'm coming up here and

1195
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: wanting to get a deer that I might not see

1196
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, and you know, and and you know,

1197
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: we talked about how those deer don't spook, but that's

1198
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: actually not completely true. You drive out on that field

1199
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: and a big buck on the second at sees you,

1200
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: and and and so it dough won't. But I mean,

1201
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: it's they're still notice. I mean, it's not like we're talking.

1202
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: You know, these things are walking. It's a tough hunt. Yeah,

1203
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: there there every hunt, there's there's factors that play into

1204
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: the difficulty and challenge of it. And on this hunt,

1205
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: it's it's time and stand boy, we just pounded it

1206
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: out and just you just sit for long, long hours

1207
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 1: and uh and temperature, you know, I mean we were

1208
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: that morning that you shot your deer. It was three

1209
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: degrees and uh in the high temperature that day was

1210
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: in the uh like twenty degrees or twenty one or something,

1211
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and I think and I think

1212
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: that you know, and I think you that you're gonna

1213
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: give me some of that meat and I'm gonna go

1214
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: home and celebrate the life of that animal by you know,

1215
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: cooking summer sausage. For we're gonna we're gonna split the

1216
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: meat right by my for my family, Genie's family, you know,

1217
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: and in dear Jerky and and you know, and boy,

1218
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: it is different than our Arkansas deer. Say what it

1219
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: really is? Well? And I mean and and there's nothing

1220
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: wrong with that. And and you know, people might say,

1221
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: you know, trophy hunting or whatnot, but to me, it's like, man,

1222
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: there's nothing to me. You know, it's it's you know,

1223
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: coming up you say, you know, goals and objectives and

1224
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: stuffing to have a goal up here, and that's why

1225
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: you come to Canada. I mean, if you wanted to

1226
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: gather two hundred pounds of meat to grind to make

1227
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: stakes out of, we would have gone over to where

1228
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: I took you the first year when you killed that

1229
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: dough and Washington County, Arkansas. I mean, we could have

1230
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: done it, but we drove up here. Um for for

1231
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: the for the getting to hunt of new landscape, the

1232
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: challenge of it, the excitement of it, the fun of it.

1233
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, big bucks, I got zero. You know how

1234
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: much shame I've got for that. Look at my my

1235
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: hand here at zero. Mature animals older mature animals out

1236
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: of the population is an honorable good thing. Now, if

1237
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: all we were doing was cutting off the horns and

1238
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: telling the outfitter to keep the meat, I I, that's

1239
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: not cool. But but whatever, if you got to do that,

1240
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. And and you know, I wish

1241
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: I could get that meat. Coyotes it brother, I know well,

1242
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: and that you know they they need that too. It's

1243
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: cold up there. Well, hey, the good news is, Chris

1244
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: is that good Lord will And we're gonna come back

1245
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: next year, me and you and uh so, hey, let's

1246
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: talk about our gear that we used for stained Warm.

1247
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about it. So

1248
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: we were we were hunting tree stand hunting temperatures that

1249
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,919
Speaker 1: were I think the coldest that guy was three degrees

1250
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: and the high temperatures were in the low twenties, upper teens,

1251
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: even mid teens some days. And uh so, what I

1252
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: was wearing, I'm just gonna start with what I was wearing.

1253
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: I wore two pair of well one pair of thin

1254
01:11:54,600 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: marino woolsocks. And I put two sticky hot hands on

1255
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: my toes, one on top of my toes and one

1256
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: up on my leg like to kind of wear my ankle.

1257
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah where you told me the veins run down on

1258
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: our defeat. Yeah, the arders run down to the and

1259
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: then I put a fairly heavy wool sock over that,

1260
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: and then I used a pair of Irish setterencilates of fencilate.

1261
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: Just regular old boot. I mean, somebody gave me those boots,

1262
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: that's the boots I wore them. I wore the Marino

1263
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: woolf first light bass layers. Uh touching my skin. So

1264
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: everything touching skin was Marino wool, which was very important

1265
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: because we were at different times. We were sweating a

1266
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: little bit riding in, like you had to get dressed.

1267
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: Like the logistics of dressing are so crazy because you

1268
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: gotta get dressed before you go. And so you're riding

1269
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: in a truck and you're gotta walk to the stand,

1270
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: but you're not carrying a bunch of stuff. We just weren't.

1271
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: We were dressing totally. And then going in we didn't

1272
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: have to walk far. But and then Chris, I wore

1273
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: my sawbuck pants. I had the Marino wool bass layer

1274
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: sawbuck pants, my puffy pants uncompa gray puffy first light pants,

1275
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: and then the Sanctuary bibs that's what I had on bottom,

1276
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: four or five layers there, Okay. On top, I wore

1277
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: the Marino wool bass layer. I wore one of the

1278
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: first light uh Klamath hooded little fleece sweater, and I

1279
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: wore a nap gray puffy vest. Then I wore a

1280
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: serious puffy vest, and then I wore the Sanctuary jacket.

1281
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: That's what I wore and uh and I I would

1282
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: take at least three to four hot hands every single sit.

1283
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: You were a hot hand addict. We oh man, we were,

1284
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: we were wearing them out. I would put a hot

1285
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: hand in the left front pocket of my Klamath hoodie.

1286
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: There's a little zipper right over here. I I kind

1287
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: of felt like it was right over my heart, so

1288
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: maybe it was warming my whole body. I would put

1289
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: that there. I would have two for my hands that

1290
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: would keep in the front pockets of that Sanctuary jacket

1291
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,440
Speaker 1: and uh. And then I would put one on the

1292
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of the back of my neck, kind of wear

1293
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: your neck meets your back. And then I so those

1294
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: are my four hot hands. And then I would wear

1295
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: at least two of the Merino wool beanies and then

1296
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: brimmed orange beanie because you had to wear orange, So

1297
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: were three layers on the top. And usually I would

1298
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: have the hood of that sanctuary up over my head

1299
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: and zip it up. My my glasses would fog up

1300
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: and my beard was getting caught in the zipper. But

1301
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: other than that it worked pretty good when my zipsed

1302
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: all the way up. That was what I wore. What

1303
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: did you wear? Um? So I? So I I have

1304
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: to wear like a sin athetic and you're gonna have

1305
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: to help me with some of the names. So I,

1306
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: but I wear like I have to wear synthetic under

1307
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: my wool, because so you don't the wool wool on

1308
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: scan with you didn't work. It's not unless I have

1309
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: used the arrow wol. Is that what it's Yeah, that's

1310
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: the synthetic mixing with them. Yeah, and I do okay

1311
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: with that. But if I'm using straight up wool, a

1312
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll itch too bad or get a rash,

1313
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: especially in real cold stuff. So I wear like a

1314
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: silk synthetic bass layer. And then I had is it

1315
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: the furnace furnace? Yeah, the furnace first light bass layer correct, um,

1316
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: and then actually something I you know, I think you

1317
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: have this problem too, But my feet give, I mean

1318
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: get cold. Um. And I feet got cold with what

1319
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: I did right well and actually this is the warmest

1320
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: my feet of ben. But I I've always used rubber boots.

1321
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: You told me to use rubber boots, yeah, and I

1322
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: do what you say. And my feet were never able

1323
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: to breathe. Um. And so I got some some of

1324
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: the Schnay's six under graham uh ventilate boots and um

1325
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: uh and I use uh some some powder in there

1326
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: because my feet sweat like foot powder. Yeah. And I

1327
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: use a liner sock and then uh, I used the

1328
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: darn tough, real thick hunting sock. And I also used

1329
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: like a like an ankle sock. Um. And then I, uh,

1330
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: my feet, the letting them breathe is huge. Um. And

1331
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: then I used like this little booty thing I don't

1332
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: even know what it's called. Um and would put okay,

1333
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: So yeah it was it was a booty that went

1334
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: over your boots once you got in stand. Yeah. And

1335
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: you and you pointed out which was true. If I

1336
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: wait till my feet are cold, it's worthless. Yeah. So

1337
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: I never gain it back. Yeah, And so I put

1338
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: them on the second I got in the stand and

1339
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: would throw hot hands in there, and that worked like

1340
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: a charm man. There was times when my feet didn't

1341
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: get cold, not at all. Yeah, and that wasn't every time,

1342
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: but it, but that was there was times. Um. And

1343
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: then so I wore the furnace and then um, usually

1344
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: I wore the the the incinerator, uh overall in the jacket. Yeah, sitka,

1345
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to. I can't. I can't utter those words.

1346
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's what I wore. I just kidding. I

1347
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: can't lie. So you you were like you hesitating to

1348
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: say it. Yeah, honestly, am I supposed to make something

1349
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: up here? And then I, uh, but for my top,

1350
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: that's good stuff, man, Yeah, you know it was good stuff.

1351
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: And then I worked it is a little loud um

1352
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: and then uh, my top I wore U. I know

1353
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: it was first light stuff, but I don't remember. I

1354
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: wore the serious jacket, serious puffy yeah. And then um

1355
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: oh that hoodie yeah, like a Klamath hoodie. Uh. And

1356
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: then also that that one, and I also wear uh

1357
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: it's like got the little squares and under I don't

1358
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: remember the yeah, the panel fleece yea or and remember

1359
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: what they call it grid fleece, and then I wore

1360
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: the incinerator hat. And then you know what I really

1361
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: like are those fingerless wool? Uh first light glove? Oh

1362
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: really did you like those? Did you wear those? Yeah? Fingerless? Huh? Well,

1363
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the correct term. What is

1364
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean? They look like their fingerless? And then I have, uh,

1365
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 1: I have a handwarm or a sick of hand. I'm

1366
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: warmer and uh I threw some hot hands in there. Yeah,

1367
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I forgot which killed me. No,

1368
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it did. And then I had a

1369
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: net a sick connt gator. Yeah. Um, how would you

1370
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 1: rate your warmth? I was not in a tree stand? Yeah,

1371
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: and so I did all right? Um, I was in

1372
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: I was you know, we had the gear. Um, but

1373
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: I I was not doing what you were doing. Um,

1374
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: so I I did all right. There was a few

1375
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: times my feet got cold, but I've been colder in

1376
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: in not as cold weather. Does that make sense? Yeah? Yeah,

1377
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: you know what's funny. I've been texting Brent Reeves and

1378
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: straight Sadio. Um. We were in New Mexico two weeks

1379
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: ago and I was texting them saying, it is three

1380
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: degrees and I am tree stand hunting and Antoba, and

1381
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: I am not as cold as I was riding the

1382
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: mule in New Mexico two weeks ago. I got so

1383
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: cold in New Mexico. I thought I was gonna pass out.

1384
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: Was that just because you didn't have the gear? Well,

1385
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: I guess. I think one morning it was seventeen degrees

1386
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: and we were just kind of preparing for an active hunt,

1387
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: so we didn't wear tons of clothes and it just

1388
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: never got warm that day, and I was so cold. Uh. Yeah,

1389
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: there was a time when I actually it's never happened

1390
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: to me before, but I actually started getting almost nauseous.

1391
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: Where you had higher altitudes, yeah, we were like eight

1392
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: thousand feet that probably had a big party. But I said,

1393
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: it's three degrees in Manitoba and I'm tre sta and hunting,

1394
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: taking a ten mile per hour win in the face,

1395
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: and I'm not as cold as I was in New

1396
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: Mexico ten days ago. But but but you stayed you

1397
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 1: stayed pretty warm with your Yeah. Well, to me, that's

1398
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: the fun of this hunt. There's there's a challenge inside

1399
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 1: of just taking the brutal cold. And I was hunting

1400
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 1: out of a tree saddle, a tethered tree saddle for

1401
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 1: two afternoons, I guess. And then I tree stand hunting

1402
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: two mornings out of a just a stand. I wasn't

1403
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: a tree stand one. You were in a tree stand

1404
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: that windy day. And I for my feet because I

1405
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: didn't put on the booty booties until my feet got cold.

1406
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a mistake. Yeah, well, uh, is there

1407
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: anything else we're supposed to talk about? Chris? We kind

1408
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: of had a running list. We wanted to tell the

1409
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: canoe story. We wanted to uh we mainly want to

1410
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: talk about Judge and deer and talking about your experience

1411
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: up here. But uh no, man, it's been really really

1412
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: fun hunting with you, and uh yeah, we're gonna we're

1413
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: gonna do it again. Good Lord Willing and people if

1414
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: they're interested in where we hunted. Uh, we did a

1415
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: We did a podcast with Tom Ainsworth. Holy cow, what

1416
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: a guy. Oh I mean you won't mean you would

1417
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even have to go hunting with Tom to

1418
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: come up here and have a good time. Tom seventy one,

1419
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: and he is a classic Canadian just salt of the

1420
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: earth rancher, hunter, outfitter. It kind of makes you feel

1421
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: bad in the fact, it's like, you know, I'm I'm

1422
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: a thirty seven or thirty eight. I'm September. Yeah, so

1423
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight. Um, he I'm pretty sure the guy

1424
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: could out work me up. And I mean the guy,

1425
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: I mean he and you know, we're looking for my

1426
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: dear and I would go somewhere and I would be like,

1427
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: I think this is a good Now granted it's his land,

1428
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: but I would go here and I'd be like, I

1429
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: think this is a good trail, and I would see

1430
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 1: a boot print and Tom's already gone down at it. Yeah.

1431
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: It's just the six six, lanky guy without an ounce

1432
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: of fat on him, and he just, yeah, really is

1433
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: an incredible shape. Yeah. And he, I mean he would

1434
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: just I mean he doesn't. It takes a lot to

1435
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: get him upset, and he just you know, he's just

1436
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: always happy, you know. And yeah, good guy. Well he

1437
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: uh and Deb she's awesome. Yeah. You feel like you're

1438
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: just going to your friend's house and hunting with him

1439
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: for a week, eat at Tom's table, home cooked meals

1440
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: every single meal, stay at our own little bunk around Skylie.

1441
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: It's just fun. There's just no other way to describe it.

1442
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: It's not it's not like a wilderness adventure hunt. I

1443
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: mean it's just fun. There's just farm country whitetail hunt.

1444
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: It's almost like going to Yeah, you're you're it's almost

1445
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: going like a like a holiday. Yeah, like going home

1446
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving. Yeah. Yeah, I don't necessarily want to say that, Yeah,

1447
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: this hunt is cheap. Yeah, I mean this is a

1448
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: three thousand dollar hunt. Yeah, I'll just say that. I

1449
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: mean that's what it cost, and that's that's a lot

1450
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: of money. That's a lot of money for me. Uh,

1451
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for a lot of people. Um,

1452
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: And but almost anybody if they set their mind to

1453
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: save up that money and it was right for them,

1454
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 1: you know, Chris, I would you know, some people like

1455
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: see people that travel and hunt and just assume that

1456
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 1: maybe that's something that they should do. And I don't

1457
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: necessarily think that it is. I mean, there's certain time

1458
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: periods in your life when that's just not in the

1459
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: cards and that's okay. You know. So if you're thirty

1460
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 1: years old and building a business and have young kids,

1461
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it may not be the time for you

1462
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: to spend three thousand dollars on a hunt and be

1463
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: gone for nine days. And you know, so I say

1464
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: that to say because sometimes I think people see I

1465
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: feel it because I I do travel a lot in hunt.

1466
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: But but this is my you know this, this is

1467
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: this is part of my business. This is what I do.

1468
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: This is calculated into my family and we you know,

1469
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: my family is on board with what we're doing. And

1470
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: and so anyway, because I don't want to throw around

1471
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: a number, say, ah, three thousand dollars, that's easy, you

1472
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: could do it. Well, maybe you shouldn't do it, but

1473
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that are in a stage

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01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: of life when that's doable in comparison to a lot

1475
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: of other hunts too. Oh yeah, I think most people

1476
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: think a big Canadian white tail hunt would be five

1477
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: to seven thousand dollars, and it's not. This is this

1478
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: is a bird nest on the ground. To be honest

1479
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 1: with you, And you know what, We're gonna cut this

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: out of the podcast because I don't want anybody kind

1481
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: of upset me with telling that much. Yeah, those two

1482
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: bucks that we're fighting, man, they're still out there right now,

1483
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: They're still there. You know what. We want to help

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01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Tom because he surely helped us. Man, what a guy dab.

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: I just it's just so much fun going up there.

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01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: But you won't be able to go the week that

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: we're going because we'll be there. But feel free to

1488
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: come after us. Don't come before us because we you know,

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: we kind of need to pick of the farm. But nah, Chris,

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01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: can you think of anything else? Any closing comments? This

1491
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 1: is your first time on the Baroning magazine podcast and

1492
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: knowing that there was a bear hunting magazine podcast. It's

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01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: just true, Um, I would say, you know, it's I.

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you do for hunting and everything you've

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01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: done for me, and uh, you know, one of the

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01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: big things I've learned is, you know, one of the

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01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: big things that you told me is you can't you know,

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01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: the best way to get to know ah Land is

1499
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: is to hunt it. And you know, and I find

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01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: that true and true is as you've got to hunt

1501
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 1: it and learn. You know, it's okay to make mistakes

1502
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: and it's okay, but learn from it, um. And that's

1503
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, and it you know, it's you know, in

1504
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: the medical field, I don't like it. You know who

1505
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,799
Speaker 1: people who won't admit that they're they're wrong or make mistakes,

1506
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 1: and that's the same thing. And anything it's you know, say,

1507
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, I made a mistake, I'm sorry, and you know,

1508
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna learn from it. That's that's the

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: way to do life, I think, And and that's you know,

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01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: that's my two cents. Well, hey, I appreciate it. Man.

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01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: This has been a ton of fun. So keep the

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01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears and the

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01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: big Canadian white tail bucks live