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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: I am John Schmelk in the Hack and Sack Marity

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Speaker 3: Health podcast Studio. Keep getting Better. Today we welcome in

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Speaker 3: from NBC Sports Chris Simms. And now we welcome in

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Speaker 3: the host of the Unbuttoned podcast. You can find them

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Speaker 3: on NBC Sports. He is the one and only Chris Sims. Chris,

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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Man? Hey, what's up John? I'm doing good man. Happy

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Speaker 1: to be here of exciting, exciting time of the year,

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Speaker 1: right a week from the draft. I always love that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the culmination of the off season and

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Speaker 1: that last piece of the puzzle, the what a team

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Speaker 1: will look like and what hopes do we have for

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Speaker 1: the next season and all that. So I'm excited, and

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Speaker 1: especially for the Giants because I'm a Giants fan. As

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Speaker 1: you know, I bleed blue. I got some friends with

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Speaker 1: some other NFL team, so I root for them too.

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Speaker 1: But my real team is the New York Football Giant.

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Speaker 1: It's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I feel out of place here.

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Speaker 1: I think I need to Yeah, come on, getting your

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Speaker 1: stuff straight, man. Come on, it's Chris. Sim's unbutton or

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Speaker 1: you know, I unbutton my mouth, but I never unbutton

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Speaker 1: my top button or my.

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Speaker 3: Zipper, as you could tell here. In this case, we

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Speaker 3: must be fully zipped, that's for sure. Now, Chris, I

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Speaker 3: know you don't do it this way. It's just the

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Speaker 3: way your rankings work out. But a lot of times

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Speaker 3: your quarterback rankings are some of the more unique ones

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Speaker 3: every year, and frankly, a lot of times you're on

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Speaker 3: the money and you get them right. This year, I

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Speaker 3: feel like you're more in line with consensus. Tell me

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Speaker 3: how you kind of came about with your rankings, just

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Speaker 3: with the fans that they'ven't seen it. You have worded

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Speaker 3: a tier by himself, Sanders and Dart in your second

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Speaker 3: tier column, recording quin yours in your third tier, and

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Speaker 3: then you kind of have shook in milro as your

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Speaker 3: next guy's up.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's about right now? I think full you know,

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Speaker 1: full transparency here. I don't love any of them except

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Speaker 1: for one guy and that's cam Ward. I will sit

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Speaker 1: of it. All Right, That's just what I'm gonna say now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a year where cam Ward to me is special.

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Speaker 1: I would have put cam Ward in the conversation last

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Speaker 1: year with Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. Maybe I would have.

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Speaker 1: I'd have put cam Ward three. I had bo Nicks four,

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Speaker 1: I had JJ McCarthy five, and Drake May six. Right.

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Speaker 1: If these quarterbacks, right, Shaudre Sanders or Jackson Dart were

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Speaker 3: But I think both of them play with They play

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Speaker 1: He throws the change up too much right. This is

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Speaker 2: John, Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: How much of the Shook stuff is the age and

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Speaker 1: I just don't see big time, high end talent, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think this is this happens every year. The

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Speaker 1: he makes good decisions, he's got good size, he can

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Speaker 2: All Right, Jalen Milroe, the things that he needs to

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Speaker 2: get better at, Chris, Yeah, how difficult is it to

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Speaker 1: This is a good It's a great question. I'm on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was I do college football Big ten

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Speaker 1: college football when, of course watch Jalen Milroe, and I

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Speaker 1: When he's on his game, it's like, holy crap, look

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks have that same feeling too. But on the other

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Speaker 1: can't hit anything, nothing feels good whatever. Quarterbacks have that too,

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Speaker 1: on my worst day, I still gotta be pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you worry about. Jaylen Miilroe. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he is a project, but he's such a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. I certainly see a team could take a

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Speaker 1: top fifty. I don't expect first round though, John.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you, and look at the Giants speak

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Speaker 3: of thirty four, So that'd be a spot that I will.

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Speaker 1: Keep buying on there. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

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Speaker 3: So a lot's been made Chris of the Giants doing

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Speaker 3: these private quarterback workouts over the next few days. A

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Speaker 3: All right, let's hup over to wide receiver Chris. You

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Speaker 1: more like I used it as a honey badger in

430
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400
Speaker 1: the secondary, a guy that you can do it all.

431
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 1: He can tackle, he's got great feel, he's gonna get interceptions.

432
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: You can play him at nickel, He'll stop wide receiver screens.

433
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 1: He's quick to stay with some of those jitterbug receivers

434
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 1: in there. Right, you can play him a little. Hey,

435
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,119
Speaker 1: let's have him be a ballhawk in the middle of

436
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: the field. But I wouldn't want him on the outside

437
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 1: the island corner. There's better people in the draft than that.

438
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: I think if he was just a true outside corner,

439
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 1: you pick him in the twenties. But he's a damn

440
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,959
Speaker 1: good player and he can do it all, and I

441
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: certainly understand people loving him.

442
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this then, and we'll get

443
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 2: to the edges a little bit later.

444
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were sitting there with the choice between

445
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 3: Hunter or Carter, which guy would close?

446
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: Not even close? Right, I'm going ab Dual Carter. Abdual

447
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: Carter for me. The guy like that only comes around

448
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: every so often. He's rare. He's very very rare. I

449
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: from the get go kind of said, well, why it's

450
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, it's Von Miller ish right, Lawrence Taylor, It's

451
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 1: is that kind of expulsive athlete. It's like you turn

452
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: on the film and you go, is that the best

453
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: first step I've ever seen in my life? I don't know, right,

454
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 1: And then you see the bend around the edge and

455
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: you go wow, like can he get his shoulder on

456
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: the ground? Why he's running four to three around the

457
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 1: corner like it looks like he can, Like that's crazy.

458
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: And then he plays with a physical, reckless nature that

459
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: I love that's needed at the position. Yeah, he doesn't

460
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: win every physical battle. He's six three two fifty, but

461
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: he takes on guards that are three twenty, Like I'm

462
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: gonna beat him up and he might lose that battle

463
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, but he goes down fighting. I love Abdua Carter.

464
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: If he's on the board at number three, run to

465
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: the podium, giants take him, let's go.

466
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

467
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 3: And I think if I would pick Carter two, assuming

468
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 3: the medicals will come back clean on right, because I

469
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 3: think at an individual position, he's better at being an

470
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: edge player than Hunter is at individually being a corner

471
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: or receiver. And I'm trying not to get myself sucked

472
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 3: into the whole two way player thing exactly in mass

473
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: on scale, that's not gonna work. And in terms of

474
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: being a full time player both ways.

475
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. I don't. I think

476
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: I Again, you let him try. Maybe you start with

477
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: a small package on one side of the ball, see

478
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: where it goes from there. But you know, there's guys

479
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: that are better athletes than him and more explosive, and

480
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: all they're doing is focusing on their one job all

481
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: the time, and then they're fresh to go because they

482
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: sat on the sidelines. What the defense was out there

483
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: or the offense is out there, and that's the you know,

484
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: the other element you gotta worry about. Let alone alle

485
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: as you know all the mental gymnastics. This isn't gonna

486
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: be Hey, we're gonna line you up here and you

487
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: run a slant or a go, or you play dB

488
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: and we play cover three or we play cover four,

489
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: or that's all we do. He's now gonna be like, what,

490
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: I've never had this coverage at Colorado? What the hell

491
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: are the rules here? Well? Wait, we have seven different

492
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: ways to call the bunch formation just because of the

493
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: personnelse set and like, holy crap, Like I didn't know

494
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: it was like this, that's what he's gonna be, you know,

495
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: in for kind of a rude awakening for I think.

496
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you one hundred percent.

497
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: All right.

498
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 3: Your next goop of wide receivers are fun. You have

499
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 3: tech nicc Noollan in there, which is not a surprise.

500
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: I like him too. Jalen Knowle, who I also love.

501
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: I think he's my wide receiver five in this class.

502
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 3: I think he's excellent. And then you have Kyle Williams

503
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: in there, who I was really pressed that in mobile

504
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: with the Senior Bowl when I went down there, a

505
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: smaller guy, but he knows how to get open kind

506
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: of break down that second tier.

507
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: For me, I love my the second tier. You know,

508
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm sometimes a little you know a little different. Again,

509
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: last year I got dragged because I didn't think Marvin

510
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior wasn't the best receiver I've ever seen in

511
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: the history of the world, right, like get out of here.

512
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: And again that goes into people just feeding you all

513
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: the time. And I'm when I turned on the film

514
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: and I went, what he's not even this Molik Neighbors

515
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: a Brian Thomas Jr. In a different class than him.

516
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: What are we talking about here? So but yes, there's

517
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: no like just absolute slam dunk prototype, freakish type of

518
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: guy in this draft. The Arizona guy is extremely intriguing

519
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: and really like other than Travis Hunter at receiver, the

520
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: only guy I could justify kind of going in the

521
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: top fifteen. He's not my cup of tea, okay, but

522
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: the size and the ball skills are undeniable, right, and

523
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good route runner, but he doesn't do

524
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: much after the catch, and I never liked that kind

525
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: of guy. I'm a little bit more of a sucker

526
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: for speed, Okay, I am that way. And you know,

527
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the Melik Neighbors type of guy. And I think we

528
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: all hear in New York know why, because yeah, it's

529
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: it's fun to watch when he catches the ball. But

530
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: the Kyle Williams hey six what six foot right? One

531
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: eighty eight one ninety two. If I remember correctly off

532
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: the top of my incredible route runner, I would say

533
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: he'd be up there with Travis Hunter as the best

534
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: route runner in the draft. First guy never tackles him,

535
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: just like a Travis Hunter and he has seventy and

536
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: ader touchdowns after catches, he makes people miss and explodes

537
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: up the sideline's like see you later. He's gone. Right,

538
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: there's more yak and impressive yak from him. I don't

539
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: think I don't think there's any doubt he goes in

540
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: the top forty, right. I know he's not gonna go

541
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: probably in the first round. But you see teams like

542
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, the Bears and Ben Johnson Mike

543
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: McDaniel bringing them in. Those are guys that when I

544
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: hear they're looking at them, I oh, I trust their

545
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: eyes for receivers. I like him so I think he

546
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: is made for the NFL and got a chance to

547
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: be a big time player. I'm not as big on

548
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: some of the top names. Right and Mecca Buca, no

549
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: way doesn't separate. There's no way I'd ever draft him

550
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: in the first round ever ever, No way. Right. A

551
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: good little player, don't get me wrong, but not a

552
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: first round talent. Matthew Golden from Texas. I like him again.

553
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: You watch Texas, Isaiah Bond was their guy before he

554
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: got hurt, so that tells you a little bit. And

555
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: nobody was more shocked than Texas that Matthew Golden ran

556
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: a four to two nine. Nothing on film says four

557
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: two nine. I agree, it says all possession receiver. And

558
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: again another guy that ran four to nine, his longest

559
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: reception of the year is fifty yards. Most people that

560
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: have four to two speed, there's eighty and seventy five

561
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: and seventy and eighty five and ninety on the tape,

562
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: So that kind of tells you he doesn't play to

563
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: that speed. Interesting. I think there's a lot of good

564
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: receivers to get in round two and three this year

565
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: in the draft.

566
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to talk about Trey Harris in

567
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: your big play upside category, right, but you don't have

568
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: Burden in there. And I kind of put those guys

569
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: in the same category a little bit, right. They feel

570
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 3: like they both ran simplistic route trees in college. Right,

571
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: they kind of flashed like, Oh, there's the change of direction,

572
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: there's the explosiveness, But I don't know if you see

573
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: it consistently, So I'm curious how you separated those two

574
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 3: guys out from each other a little bit.

575
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Burden was really tough. I think the biggest thing I

576
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: gave with the old mis kid is he's a true

577
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: X receiver. Where I go, you can just line him

578
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: up here because of his size. He's a bigger guy

579
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: than Luther Burden too, to where yeah, he can catch

580
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: back shoulders, the jump balls. You're gonna feel good about

581
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: him when he's covered. He's still not covered, right, He's

582
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: one of those guys let alone, really, I mean, one

583
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: of the biggest play guys. I mean, you get to

584
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: see him run away from LSU and Alabama and guys

585
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: like that, where you go, Hey, it's the SEC. There's

586
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of NFL d backs and he's going

587
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: for sixty and seventy. Like we're talking about Burden. I'm

588
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: with you, and that was one of the toughest lead

589
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: leaving him off. I went back and forth. I wasn't

590
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: in love with the route running, I think at the

591
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: end of the day, and a little bit of the

592
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: size bothered me too, But I see the act of

593
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: the catchability with you, and he's one that I'm willing

594
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: to admit that I'm scared I might be wrong right

595
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: out right. I went back and forth with him a

596
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: whole lot. I do like Luther Burden, and.

597
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: Then going back to Jalen Knowle, I see a lot

598
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: of Liie McConkie and him, to be honest, with the

599
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: way he runs his route. He can play inside, but

600
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: he has speed. He's not exactly just a quick guy.

601
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: He's an over the top guy that plays the slot,

602
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: which I think I agree with you, that pushes him up, man,

603
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: because look, you can create space at the line of scrimmage.

604
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: Who's not gonna get pressed in today's NFL. And once

605
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 3: he starts using that explosive this, he's going to be

606
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: tough to cover the next level.

607
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: Agreed. That's where it's like, you know those guys, they

608
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: all have Travis hunder. These three guys, they all kind

609
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: of have a similar skill set and what they are.

610
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: They're made for the modern day NFL because you, like

611
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about, they can move him around anywhere. Hey,

612
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: we need you to do Julian Edelman Wes Welker type routes, Okay,

613
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: I could do that. Hey we need you to get

614
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: outside and beat people deep like Jamar Chase. Okay, I

615
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: could do that. Right. That's that's where I think that's

616
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: exciting for for those guys. And yeah, I'm with you.

617
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: I really like Jalen know and just like to peel

618
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: back the curtain, right I I come out with these

619
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: rankings pretty early on in the process. I have constantly

620
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks showed people here at NBC

621
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: people kind of like man, Kyle Williams, Jalen Knowle, Holy crap.

622
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I I just got to watch him last week.

623
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: I'm with you, He's unbelievable. Blah blah blah. So I

624
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: really I don't think either one of them are on

625
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: the board. Once we get to about forty five, I

626
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: think there's a great chance they're out of there already.

627
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: And I had a chance to interview Nolled out the

628
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. Great kid too, just like professional.

629
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: You could tell the way he plays and everything. He's polished.

630
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: He's got it all together.

631
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the running backs here, Chris

632
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: and I.

633
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: We know your rush. So if you think I gotta

634
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: be out of here at a certain time, don't worry.

635
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: We can go a little bit past that. So don't worry, Okay, John.

636
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: We're all good man.

637
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to running back, and there's a lot of

638
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: guys to talk about it here. So because I could

639
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: tell based on the number of guys you've listened here

640
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: that you like this class as much as everyone else does.

641
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: And no surprise that Genty and Hampter in your top two.

642
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: How much separates those two in that top tier for you?

643
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Not much, right, I you know, I see it in

644
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit in a similar way, like a few

645
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: years ago, I put Jamar Gibbs in the same class

646
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: as Bjon Robinson, and that was kind of like an

647
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: unpopular take. But like here's my reason, Ashon Genti's awesome.

648
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: It's the greatest contact balance you've ever seen. Right, I've

649
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: never seen a guy take more hits, doesn't go down,

650
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: bounces off, accelerates, does all that. Now, was there a

651
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: sight of me that questions a little bit of how

652
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: awesome that could be in the NFL for a smaller guy,

653
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: And as we know the NFL, everybody's bigger, everybody's faster.

654
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a better quality of tackler in a

655
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: more physical game. Yeah, there's a part of me there

656
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: necess and all the other thing. The other powd of

657
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: it is I don't look at him and just go whoa,

658
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: like it's four to three speed. I don't know if

659
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: I see that right, right, So that's where okay, I

660
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: just have a little of pumping the brakes there. But again,

661
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: awesome top ten pick. I'm all for it, no doubt

662
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: about it. I'm just trying to give a little context.

663
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Omario Hampton is he's a proto type. He's the proto type.

664
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Joe Mixon. That's what we're talking about here.

665
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: It's it's like, oh, wow, did they chisel? Is that

666
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: a Greek god that they chiseled at a stone? I

667
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: mean that's the first thing you say, right, and then

668
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: you go, whoa, what two hundred and twenty something pounds? Damn?

669
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: He can like make some sharp cuts. He can break

670
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: people's ankles. He can push the pile when nothing's there,

671
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: he still gets four people meet him in the hole.

672
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: You go, damn, he broke the tackle and got six.

673
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: Let alone, he might make that guy miss and get

674
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: forty or fifty up the sidelines. So to me, he

675
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: just made for the NFL to be that bell cow

676
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: sledgehammer type of pick. And in a draft where there's

677
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: not a lot of a let's say, elite first round

678
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: talent type of offensive guys, I think he's one of

679
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the few short list guys there and yeah, I think

680
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: he goes somewhere in the top twenty five picks John all.

681
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Right, and I love your tier two guys here label

682
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: is starter maybe Superstar and two guys that I have

683
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: as I think are gonna be really good players Basehelle

684
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Tutin and RJ. Harvey, who I don't know why more

685
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: people aren't talking about them.

686
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it's yeah, maybe it's their stash quiet. I think

687
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I think they're keeping quiet.

688
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Maybe what are they like five to nine, just over

689
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds, But I think they both run with

690
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: such a low center of gravity that they're able to

691
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: take on contact and survive it. And both guys are

692
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: just a big play waiting to happen.

693
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: They definitely are right And I'm I'm in love with

694
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: r J. Harvey. I kind of have a man crush

695
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: on RJ. Harvey.

696
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: So much fun to watch man. Oh, it's great, he does.

697
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: He does it all. And I'm trying to sit here

698
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and talk to you and also break out my notes

699
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: that I got because I got three different notebooks here.

700
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: Because but like with him, because there's just some special

701
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: things about his game that I like. I mean, first off,

702
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: he's got the type of he's not a slasher. He

703
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: can he can kind of come up to the line

704
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and dance and kind of pick a hole

705
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: and then go and right. Sometimes you go, hey, put

706
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: your head down, there's nothing there. Just get the hard yards.

707
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: But it's hard to argue because he does that and

708
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: then he bounces outside and you go, whoa, He's going

709
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: for eighty down the sideline. See you later, right, So

710
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: that's where you just go, Okay, we might have to

711
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: deal with some of that a little bit as we

712
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: go forward here.

713
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: And because by the way you talk about that, you

714
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: talk about Hunter speed. There is a play back in

715
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three where Harvey runs away from Travis Hunter

716
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: on a deep run and he just outruns him down

717
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: the sideline.

718
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: That's how fast he is.

719
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: I remember the play. I watched it. He's got long speed,

720
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: he's got big time playmaking unbelievable speed that way to

721
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: where yes, he's great there. He can make people miss

722
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I think as good as anybody in the in the draft.

723
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: The one thing is is just the teams that want

724
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: a guy that just say go hit the hole and

725
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: go that's the guy. You know they're gonna have to

726
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: figure out whether he's capable of that. Right, that's gonna

727
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: be the big thing and the big question with him.

728
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: But man, I love him. He's one of my favorite

729
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: under the radar guys in the whole draft. In here,

730
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: I finally got to it right because I write pages

731
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: of notes like this. I'm old school. I wrote, like, Hey,

732
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: he reminds me of a Josh Jacobs, but he's got

733
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: better long speed. Okay, that type of body. That's kind

734
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: of how I looked at it. The ability to do

735
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: this he's got. He's got some thickness to him. I'm

736
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: a huge fan of him altogether.

737
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, and then too in the same tame man. Yeah,

738
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: the problem is that stop fumbling, dude, like, hold hold

739
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: on to the football. If you get past that, I

740
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: think you have an outside zone scheme where he's able

741
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: to kind of be patients with the hole and burst

742
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: through exactly.

743
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: And he finishes runs at his size. Man, he punishes

744
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: people at the end of some of these runs.

745
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. He runs. Nobody told them what size

746
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: he is. He thinks he's he thinks he's two thirty

747
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: going through the whole like he's Jerome Bettis or something

748
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: like that. But yes, like I think you hit it

749
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: spot on the teams that leg that hey be patient

750
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: on the outside zone. You see the hole, put your

751
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: foot in the ground and go through it like a

752
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Kamakazi nine million miles per hour, right that that's the

753
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: team that's gonna like a Buyashu to touton and to

754
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: your points with the fumbles are an issue and that's

755
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to be something he works on for sure.

756
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: But I think a little bit of it is because

757
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: he does run so hard and he hits and he

758
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: has such contact and violent runs. That's a little part

759
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: of it. So he's got to work on it. But

760
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: I again, two guys that I'm with you on that

761
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: I think are second round picks really and starting NFL

762
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: running backs like from the get go and can be

763
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: special at that, not just starters that could be special.

764
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: And then you have a standalone in your thirdier. And

765
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: I think we're seeing the the Christen's tendency here. You like,

766
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: the guys are gonna get those explosive runs because you've

767
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: got Trevion Henderson coming up next who has a ton

768
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: of speed. He started in the National Title Game. I

769
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: do worry about some of the injuries the two years prior.

770
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: But he's not the biggest guy. But he has the ball.

771
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: He's explosive, and you want to pass protector, then just

772
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: put Travion Henderson in the game. He's a great pet

773
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: blitz pickup guy.

774
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: He's crazy aggressive, almost like the guy you just talked about,

775
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: and tooting right where. I mean, he runs hard. You're like, damn,

776
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: he brings it. He really does. He's not gonna be

777
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: everybody's cup of team because he's not a real big guy.

778
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: He's not always gonna get you tough yards. But the

779
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: teams that want to go get in space do that

780
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, he's one of the best

781
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: big play guys in the draft. That's the big thing.

782
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: It was tough, tough pickings between him and Judkins, the

783
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: other running back at Ohio State, because I like him too,

784
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: but I went with the big playability. Yeah, Henderson, you're

785
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: not gonna want to go, hey, we want to give

786
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: him the ball twenty five times a game, right up

787
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: the middle between the tackles. That that's not what he is.

788
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: Few carries there, but your few game plan edge runs,

789
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: a few screens you can use them in the past

790
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: game and you can get a lot of exposive plays

791
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: out of him. That's why I really like him.

792
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

793
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: And then you kind of have your honorable mention category here, Chris,

794
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: And this is where you have a lot of your bangers.

795
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: Right.

796
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: You have Judkins who's a banger. You have Damien Martinez

797
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: who's a banger. You have Tam Scattabow who's a banger.

798
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson to an extent, he's a bigger guy. I

799
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: think he did run away from people on table a

800
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: little bit better than he did with his with his

801
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: time forty times.

802
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: But he's a bigger guy.

803
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: And even Raheem Sanders who's a bigger guy who has

804
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: some top end speed too. These are all where you

805
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: kind of put your I think every dawn you can

806
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: give it to him eighteen twenty times and they're gonna,

807
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: you know, to your point when you're talking about the

808
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: coaches that want the guys are gonna put their head

809
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: downsna go go get yards.

810
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Right, that's what this group is.

811
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, and your spot by Caleb Johnson. I love

812
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: his big playability. What I don't like for him is

813
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: a big guy is he's gotta run harder and run

814
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: people over and get more tough yards. He runs a

815
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: little soft that way, and I'm not saying he's soft,

816
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: but like to a guy like Tutin who's twenty five

817
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: pounds smaller than him, you'd go wait. He runs and

818
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: runs through contact and delivers blows way more than a

819
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Johnson. I love me some Damien Martinez down there

820
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: in Miami. He gives me some James Connor vibes. Right.

821
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: It's a bigger human than you think. He's got very

822
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: quick feet in the box, he can break tackles, He's

823
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: a big human. Usually that kind of skill set translates

824
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Right, So he's definitely one of my

825
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: under the radar, like down the line guys that probably

826
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: doesn't go to the third or fourth round that I

827
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: that I really like and could be your belcal right

828
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: right away in the NFL.

829
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: He's in on your list. But I'm curious what you

830
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: thought of Dylan Samson. I was a big fan of

831
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: him when I watched him. I thought his short area

832
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 3: burst and kind of running away from people and small

833
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: windows was really really good.

834
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I listen. I liked him too, and that's why,

835
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Like you said, this is a class and this is

836
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: a year where I feel like I wrote forty to

837
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: sixty at the end of my notes eighty times, right,

838
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: Like it's like whoa, or I wrote twenty five to

839
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: forty five, like forty times, and that's what I think.

840
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: We're all you've hearing it. I'm hearing. I mean, that's

841
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: what the draft is this year. It might not be

842
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: as high end wow, but it's like whoa. Okay, there's

843
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: a guy or two at the top of every position

844
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. But that man three, four, five, six, seven,

845
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: and eight are all good and the grades are going

846
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: to be very close together, right, I think I wrote.

847
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: My big thing with him is all the things you

848
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: wrote tough physical, the change of directionability is top notch.

849
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't think his forty time I wrote that was

850
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: my main problem. His top end speed bothered me a

851
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: little bit. Between that and being a little bit smaller,

852
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't love that aspect of him, right, I wrote,

853
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: His biggest negative is I don't think he's real fast.

854
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: Top end speed is not with the top guys. I

855
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: would say four, five, eight ish something like that, right,

856
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: But the change of direction ability he can slash and

857
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: put his foot in the ground. He never loses speed.

858
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I like that aspect of him. And then I wrote

859
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: eighty to one hundred for him, and I might be

860
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: a little wrong with that. I certainly can recognize that.

861
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: And I think he's almost a juiced up version of

862
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: Jordan James, who is kind of the same type of

863
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 3: smaller guy. And I think he is even less juice

864
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: than Samson does, which is why he's a little bit

865
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: lower for me. But he actually reminds me a little

866
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: bit of Bucky I Erring from last year. I tested

867
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: terribly and I'm not trying to helmet Scout here, but

868
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: just really good short areas make people miss. Has some wiggle,

869
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 3: runs hard for his size. I think those two guys

870
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: are actually pretty similar.

871
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: I hear you there too. There's a lot of down

872
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: the end, down the line guys right that I like.

873
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, even Cam Scattabow I like him, Right, you

874
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: look at him and go wow, I like you said

875
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: James Jordan the Wood he marks from the USC. I

876
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: liked him as well, Right, So there's some guys there

877
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: that you think, you know that I think we all

878
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: think could be on the top or on the board, third,

879
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: fourth round. Where you go, Damn, we got a player

880
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: here at running back.

881
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Let me hit two other deeper wide receivers before we

882
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 3: switch the defense here, Chris.

883
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, some bigger guys.

884
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: Jack Besh is a guy that when I saw him

885
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl, I gotta be honest, I didn't

886
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: love him. He made great contested catches, but I didn't

887
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: see the separation out of him. Then I went back

888
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: and I watched the tape. I thought he was one

889
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: of the best receivers in the class at the top

890
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: of the route, just getting in and out of his

891
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: braces and creating separation that way. Him and Royals another

892
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: guy that know a lot of people like more than

893
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: I do.

894
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if necessarily see the juice there that.

895
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: Other people do.

896
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious is what you look of Besh and Royals,

897
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: And then two of the bigger receivers Higgins Iowa State

898
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: versus Tory Horton, Colorado State, who I think is a

899
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: little underrated. Kind of break down those four guys for me.

900
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think the first one too

901
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: in hold on, damn, second lose Besch. Yes, it's an

902
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: interesting guy, right, Yeah, he's not gonna wow you with

903
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: some of that physical play there, or just like the

904
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: wow off the line of scrimmage. Oh my gosh, that's unbelievable. Yes,

905
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: at the top of the route, he knows how to

906
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: lean people and get out of a break or use

907
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: his body and get out of a break right and

908
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: do that. The thing the other thing I like about

909
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: him a lot and is okay, yeah, he's got a

910
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: little size and strength, so you love that. And his

911
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: what he is after the catch, I mean after the catch,

912
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: he's physical, He's trying to go places right. So that's

913
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: where I really loved him more than anything, I think.

914
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if I look at him

915
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: as a top sixty pick or anything in there, but

916
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: a guy that okay, yeah, you can get and do

917
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: something with when it's all said and done, and maybe

918
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: be a big slot and you can move him outside

919
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: at times too. I think that's kind of how I

920
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: look at it. The rest of those guys, man, I

921
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: like him. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you

922
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm in love with them, okay, And I haven't spent

923
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: as much time with some of those on the line guys.

924
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more of a right, I'm not

925
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: all year round mel Kiper. Yeah, I'm kind of like,

926
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: I try to shoot for the guys that are gonna

927
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: be first three rounds, first four rounds. I kind of

928
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: limited on let's just say the top one fifty and

929
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: all that. I got a feel for those guys, But

930
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 1: once I get to a certain number, I just start

931
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: to go, that's gonna be later on in the draft.

932
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: I'll dive into that a little bit later. So that's

933
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: my full disclosure there. I could tell you that I

934
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: feel like I got a top fifteen at every position,

935
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: and I could go through that and like Royals, I

936
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't have in my top fifteen, If that that makes

937
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: any sense to you there. If you want to know

938
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: how to manage two minutes of crunch time football, I'm

939
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: your man. But if you're wondering about a long term

940
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: financial plan, you should talk to Citizens.

941
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

942
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: learn about a Molli routine.

943
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

944
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: money with Citizens.

945
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: No, I think that's absolutely fair. All right, let's jump

946
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: to the offensive line real quick. Yeah, you just did

947
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: this episode recently. You had Orlando Brown on if I'm

948
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: not mistake right. They kind of break it down with

949
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: you on again the Unbuttoned podcast, Go check it out.

950
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: You said you could see as many as eight offensive

951
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: linemen I think in the first round, and I don't

952
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: disagree with you. I think the tackles that can all

953
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 3: go in the first round are Campbell, Membo, Banks, Simmons,

954
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: and Connorley. Right, those are the guys we talked down

955
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: the show. And then I think Zabel Booker and Donovan

956
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: Jackson are three guards that could all go in the

957
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: first round as well.

958
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. I mean you go the Will Campbell, right,

959
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: we know him. I don't think he could play tackle

960
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I would make him a guard, Okay,

961
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: so that would be my thing there, and maybe he

962
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: can do the tackle. But I'm just saying from what

963
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: I see and what it looks like, and I think

964
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: most of the league looks at him and goes, he's

965
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: a guard. That's what he is. Right, So there's that.

966
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, him Membao right from Missouri. I think I

967
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: look at him and go wow. The ability to protect

968
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the special there, I mean, his pass protection is awesome.

969
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: The run game needs some work. The kid from Ohio State.

970
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Simmons is special. Okay, he's special, he just got the injury.

971
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the best one. If you watch

972
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: my podcast with Orlando Brown Junior, I think he agrees

973
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: with that, and if you hear my assessment, I kind

974
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: of say it too. But the injury kind of bothers

975
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: you a little bit. You don't know where that's at.

976
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: But I think that to me, right, the three tackles

977
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: in the first round, just just for sure, are Simmons

978
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: from Ohio State mbow for sure. And I'm blanking on

979
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: my other one that I had. Oh yeah, no, No,

980
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Connerly I think is a guard. I would really I

981
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: would put Connor Lee is a guard. I mean, he

982
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: could maybe do tackle, but he's so he's smaller, he's

983
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: more of an athlete, right, I think he'd be best

984
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: at guard rather than tackle.

985
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: I love his feet.

986
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: I worry about his play strength. That's kind of how

987
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: I look at Connory.

988
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm talking about, right, the how can

989
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: you not be worried a little bit about the anchor?

990
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: That That's what I really get down to. And I

991
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: still wait, I'm still Kelvin Banks. Kelvin Banks, the Texas

992
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: kid Yep, I think is also a guard. I look

993
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: at him as a guard. It's too all over the

994
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: place with technique and pass protection right the anchor a

995
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: little bit. I see like pass protection. Sometimes I go, oh,

996
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: this time he played basketball, the next time he did

997
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: the karaoka drill. Like it's just a little all over

998
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: the place. But his run blocking is phenomenal and that's

999
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: where I like him. So mboo Josh Simmons for sure tackles.

1000
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: Let me give you another one that I think should

1001
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: be borderline first tackle or tackle in the first round.

1002
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: I should say it's the kid from Minnesota, Okay. Arian

1003
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Ariante Ursery is the guy to me that is being

1004
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: overlooked here.

1005
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: He's gigantic.

1006
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: He's just he's gigantic. He's got great feet. He pass

1007
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: protects really well. Does he need a little work in

1008
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: the run game department and the rush wrestling matches? Sure? Yeah,

1009
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: But man, when it comes all down to it, there's

1010
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: not that many guys with that size that can protect

1011
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Like, would I be shocked if the Kansas

1012
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: City Chiefs have picked thirty one took Ursy, No, I

1013
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: would not. I think he's capable of being that top guy.

1014
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: But to me, those are the three best tackles. I

1015
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: think those are the tackles and everybody else I kind

1016
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: of look at to go eh Booker's a guard, that

1017
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: Connor Lee's a guard. Donovan Jackson of course, Ohio State.

1018
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a guard. The kid at

1019
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, he's a guard for me. Maybe he

1020
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: could play tackle, but he's very much like Will Campbell.

1021
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: But there we are right there. That's I mean, we're

1022
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: talking six or seven guys that I think in the

1023
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: NFL right now, where teams can't find enough good offensive

1024
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: lineman and every team has eight good d linemen, there's

1025
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: an offensive line problem in the NFL right now. That's

1026
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: where I'm kind of like coming around to. If I'm

1027
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: a GM, I'm putting some of these guys at a

1028
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: premium right now. I'll see the Philadelphia Eagles who win

1029
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: the trenches every game, or a lot of the other

1030
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: good teams, And that's where I kind of like this group,

1031
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe more than most.

1032
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: No. Look, I think if you need to tackle, they're

1033
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: gonna run out really fast, and I think that's so right.

1034
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: But I think guards, I think you can find some

1035
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: value there certainly.

1036
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's jump.

1037
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: To the defensive side of the ball, Chris Edge, where

1038
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: we talking about Aldill quatter boy. I don't know how

1039
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: many times I went through the rest of these edge

1040
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: players and tried to put him in order, and it's

1041
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: just really hard. Do you care about production, do you

1042
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: care about traits? Do you want the smaller guy? Do

1043
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: you want the bigger guy? This was just I think

1044
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: after you get past the top guy from picks to

1045
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: your point before twelve to fifty, how you stack these

1046
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: edge you guys is really really tricky.

1047
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: Yes it is, but they're they're good, right, And here

1048
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: we go where I go, Okay, ab dual Carter, first rounder,

1049
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: top three pick, boom, Okay, Shamar Stewart Texas A and

1050
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: m Mike Green, Marshall, the two Georgia kids, the kid

1051
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: from Tennessee Pierce, and then the kid from Boston College

1052
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: is Zarique. Right, that's seven. I think all seven of

1053
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: seven of them are first round caliber type of players, right,

1054
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see it now. I my ranking. Of course,

1055
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, I had him one. Chamar Stewart and Mike

1056
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: Green were the next two guys for me. Chamar Stewart.

1057
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: I know everybody's gonna go, you only had one and

1058
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: a half sacks, right, there's not enough production. And the

1059
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: thing I tried to explain to everybody is disruption is production.

1060
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: When you f the play up, that's a big positive

1061
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: for an NFL defensive team. There you go, whoa, he

1062
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: didn't make the tackle, he didn't get on the stat sheet,

1063
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: but he's actually responsible for all this we have on

1064
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: that play. So that's a real thing. And he's built

1065
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett, right. I think he's special. I would

1066
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: take Shamar Stewart in the top fifteen of the draft.

1067
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even blink. Yeah, and Mike Green it's about

1068
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: the same thing. Again. I think he's special that way.

1069
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not as high on the Georgia guys. I like

1070
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: mikel Williams. The Javon Walker to me is the most

1071
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: mind blowing thing to me in the draft. I think

1072
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: he's the most overrated guy in the draft. He's not

1073
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: that great of a middle linebacker, he's not that great

1074
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: of a pass rusher, but he's went to Georgia and

1075
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: just nobody's gonna get off of it. You're nothing. You

1076
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: could say he's got six sacks. He's got five more

1077
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: sacks than the kid from Texas A and M. I go.

1078
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: If you watch best plays, pressures, disruption and all that,

1079
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: it's not even comparable the kid Jalen Walker. All his

1080
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: sacks are like coverage and then he goes and gets

1081
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: the guy or they miss assignment the block and then

1082
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: he gets the sack, or the quarterback runs out of

1083
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: the pocket and then he goes and runs them down.

1084
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh he dominated a t he got

1085
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: around the edge and oh my gosh, that was unbelievable.

1086
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: There's less with that than him of anybody. But it's

1087
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: a damn good group. I like them all, I really do.

1088
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: But like I said, that's the one I don't like

1089
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker. The rest of them. I'm big fans of a.

1090
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: Guy like Walker.

1091
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 3: I do think he has really good burst and bend

1092
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: down the corner.

1093
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do.

1094
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: Think the problem you run into with him and I'm

1095
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: actually higher him than you are. But what I having

1096
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 3: trouble kind of computing in my head once he makes

1097
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 3: contact with the offensive tackle and they get his hands

1098
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 3: on him.

1099
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: All the size, it's all enough long arms.

1100
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: He's having some trouble with that, So I don't know

1101
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: how to kind of put that into the equation.

1102
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: I agree with. But he is explosive, he's got a

1103
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: great first step. I mean he's fast, but he's six

1104
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: to one. He's six one. He gets swallowed up all

1105
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: the time. And I don't think his bend is as

1106
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: good as some of those other guys. Right. I would

1107
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: tell you if you the kid from Alabama, Jahad Campbell,

1108
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: I'd go he, i'lly has the second best first step

1109
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: in the draft. I mean for everything everything talking about

1110
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: with Jalen Walker, I just go, I think John Campbell's

1111
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: better at everything than Jalen Walker.

1112
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: But by the way, if you see Campbell in person,

1113
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: he's a much bigger frame than Walker too.

1114
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: And I know I've seen him. I was there at

1115
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the combine with you and and interviewed them. And that's

1116
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: again that's another thing. I have six to one pass rushers.

1117
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I got the sense watching Georgia film too,

1118
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: they were a little bit like we got better middle linebackers.

1119
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: So let's put him over here right, Oh on first

1120
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: and second down? Oh, we don't want he's one of

1121
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: our best defensive players. What do we do with him.

1122
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: We don't want him a DN on first and second down,

1123
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: so let's put him back a linebacker. Right. That's kind

1124
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: of the sense I got watching him. I'll be very

1125
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: interested to see where he goes. I really will he's

1126
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: the one I question him. But hey, there's there's some

1127
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: depth at this position as well. There's a lot of

1128
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: good players here to have on the edge.

1129
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: All right, Chris, let's wrap things up with cornerback here.

1130
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: Tell me why I'm wrong about Will Johnson. I might

1131
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: take is bad when I watch the tape, even going

1132
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: back to his twenty twenty three tape. I just feel

1133
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: like there are too many plays where he plays very

1134
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: soft and he allows easy catches in front of him, right,

1135
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: And I can't understand why a guy with all that

1136
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: length he flashes really good instincts.

1137
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: We see the interceptions in twenty twenty.

1138
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: Three, Why he just allows so many easy catches in

1139
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: front of him. Owing the fact at the end of

1140
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three tape we saw him get run

1141
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 3: passed a number of times. And you combine those two

1142
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: things and it scares the hell out of me.

1143
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: I hear you.

1144
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what you're saying. But this is

1145
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: where I think you got to take this to do account.

1146
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's not the coach and the defensive coordinator they're

1147
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: telling him to play there. He's not going, hey, coach,

1148
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: screw you. I'm gonna do what I want. Jim Harbad,

1149
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: you don't know anything. I'm playing bump mand a man

1150
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: here like that. So you gotta take that into an

1151
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: account of what he's being asked to do. Yeah, I'm

1152
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: with you. I wish he would play more. He's he's

1153
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: made to play bump man. Demn right, He's made for it,

1154
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: exactly right. But with the size, the ball skills, his

1155
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: ability to kind of accelerate and explode out of breaks,

1156
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: out of backpedal, that's special for his size. The long speed,

1157
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you, we could question that a little bit,

1158
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: but as I dive through it more and more, I

1159
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: start to become I was like, Oh, he can go.

1160
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's four three two, I don't

1161
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: think it's that. It's probably like four four flat something

1162
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: in that range. Right, But you know, I'm I'm a

1163
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: big fan of him. I do, and I think he

1164
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: is one of the true shut down island D type

1165
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: of corners and but I'm with you, and I'm wishing

1166
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: he played more man to man, and I think when

1167
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: he gets to an NFL team, that'll start to happen

1168
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: right away.

1169
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: I liked your second group here. You have Travis Hunter

1170
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: and you're a loan tier. Then you have Harston, Porter

1171
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: and Revel who I think are all really interesting long corners.

1172
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 3: Harrison's a little bit lighter than the other two guys

1173
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: in terms of weight, but all them long and they

1174
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: can run exactly right.

1175
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean I again, you heard what I said about

1176
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. I really like him, but I value the

1177
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: guys that can play on the outside and go, wait,

1178
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: I got him, coach, that's it. You could do whatever

1179
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: you want with everybody else. I got him, right, And

1180
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: that's you know what really again, going back to our

1181
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, the great ones have great physical skills, ability, speed,

1182
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: and that's why they're great, right. Well, the corner that's like, oh,

1183
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: he just knows how to play the game, and he's

1184
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: smart and understands angles. I don't know any of them

1185
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, I don't I don't know,

1186
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: but Deon Sanders and Durell Raves and cham Bailey, who

1187
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: I played with. Yeah, they had rockets up their ass.

1188
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: That's why they were in the Hall of Fame. They

1189
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: could go right, they could cover I got you, period.

1190
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit more of a favor I

1191
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: favor that type of guy and man like those other three.

1192
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: I love the kid from Kentucky, Maxwell Harrison. To me,

1193
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. Right. We don't have Jade

1194
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: barn on the list. I didn't put him on the list.

1195
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I like him, but again, he's not an outside island

1196
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: type of corner. I know he's going in the first round.

1197
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to have him by my team. He's just

1198
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: not the guy you can go. You get Malik Neighbors

1199
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: and cover him forty times this game, like he'd have

1200
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: no chance. Milik Neighbors would have six hundred yards receiving

1201
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: in that game. So because like, I don't make him there,

1202
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: but I understand where he is, right. But Maxwell Harrison,

1203
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: he can be able to run with anybody. I mean

1204
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: he makes Matthew Golden who ran four two nine look

1205
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: slow on film. I mean Matthew Golden catches some balls

1206
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: over the middle, he runs him down like he's running.

1207
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: He's still Isaiah Bond, who is and was the fastest

1208
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: guy at the Texas. He runs him down on post routes.

1209
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: So I love him. My next man crush other than

1210
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: har J Harvey though, is Darien Porter. Darien Porter, this

1211
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: story is unique.

1212
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: It is, but going.

1213
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Back into in a draft where there's not a lot

1214
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: of freaks, he's one of them. He's one of the free.

1215
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: I've never seen a corner his size move the way

1216
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: he does. He's better than Tarik Wollen coming out. I've

1217
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: said on my podcast. His speed, his hips, his ability

1218
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: to plant the foot in the ground and drive on

1219
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: the ball. It's really every bit as good as Sauce

1220
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: Gardener coming out. Every bit. Now he's not quite the

1221
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: player and have the instincts and some of the boss goes.

1222
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the experience yet, but man, the movement

1223
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: is special and I like him a lot. I just

1224
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: if I'm in the second round and I need a corner,

1225
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I might be running to the podium

1226
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: for Darien Porter.

1227
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: All right, last position here, Chris.

1228
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: I went through the shows and maybe I missed the

1229
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: rankings I could have. Did you have a chance to

1230
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 3: look at the defensive tackles at all? Because I do

1231
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: think it's a really good class at that position. The

1232
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: Giants could certainly use one on Day two, and there'll

1233
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: be plenty of choices. How do you look at the

1234
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 3: defensive tackles in this class?

1235
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at it like you know one as

1236
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: far as defensive tackle, Okay, I mean I like the

1237
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: course Mason Grant. The two Michigan kids are the top

1238
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: guys for me. Right. If you want the disruptive, chaos creator,

1239
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: Mason Graham's your guy. If you want the guy that

1240
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: can hold double teams right and push the pocket a

1241
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: little bit and do that, then you're gonna like Kenneth

1242
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Grant a lot right the other guy. So those are

1243
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: to me, I think both first round picks. I feel

1244
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: like maybe the Kenneth Grant Grays maybe on the edge

1245
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: of the first round, maybe second round for some people.

1246
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: We'll see where that goes, right, But I feel like

1247
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: at least that's the feel I get from other people.

1248
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: The kid from Oregon, Derek Harmon right, love Harmon. I

1249
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: love Harmon right, no doubt a first rounder. So he's

1250
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: de tackle who could play shade, nose, nose tackle, three technique,

1251
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: five technique, He can do it all. He's got long arms,

1252
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: he gets off blocks, he can hold his ground, right,

1253
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I love him as well. I

1254
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: think the kid from Texas, Alfred Collins, is a hell

1255
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: of a player now, huge, huge, and he's not gonna

1256
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: be sexy on film. Again, going back to what he

1257
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: was asked to do, and that's what you gotta go.

1258
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to just go I'm gonna go upfield.

1259
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go upfield. They kind of asked him, Hey,

1260
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: hold the guy two gap, throw them away, make the tackle.

1261
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Oh he's going this way, throw them the other way.

1262
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Make the tackle, right. So that's what he was asked

1263
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: to do. And he's special in that department. So I

1264
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: really like them. And then yeah, there's some down the

1265
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: line guys again, like we talked some o the other positions,

1266
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: second third round, where I go, Damn, they're gonna start

1267
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: real early on in their career. They're that caliber player, all.

1268
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: Right, Chris, the rat things up. You want the Giants

1269
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: to do well. You have familial connections to the Giants

1270
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: with your dad, obviously, what's your ideal draft look like

1271
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: for the Giants? And you can go as deep as

1272
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: you want or you just want to focus on the top.

1273
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: That's fine too. How do you think the Giants help

1274
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: their organization short and long term the most in this

1275
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: particular draft.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to Abdul Carter at three if he's there, right,

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Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I'm a little bit of like

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Speaker 1: with the Travis Hunter. If he's there at three, I

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Speaker 1: want to be like a little like, we don't need

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Speaker 1: a receiver. We're kind of good. We're actually, I think

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Speaker 1: pretty good at dB too. I mean, I'm a fan

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Speaker 1: of what we did in the offseason. I think the

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Speaker 1: Maryland kids still pretty good. Pulse of the de Bo.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't get hurt, is gonna get top of

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Speaker 1: the market money for corner. He's an Island shutdown guy.

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Speaker 1: And I love Javon Holland. So I'm not a like.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm a little lower on Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 1: but I understand he's going in the top three or four.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. But I want to

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Speaker 1: due a Carter at three. I want a difference. We

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Speaker 1: need an offensive lineman in the second round. That's what

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Speaker 1: I would really rather go, because you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: love the quarterbacks. We need an offensive lineman that can

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Speaker 1: contribute to our football team and start building for the

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Speaker 1: future in that department. So that's where I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see them kind of make those type of moves, and

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Speaker 1: early on in the draft, I want to see them

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Speaker 1: focus on that. I think those are the two things

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Speaker 1: that jump out to me more than anything.

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Speaker 3: Chris, I'm with you, man, we renting the shows already,

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Speaker 3: But tell the folks where they can find everything you're

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Speaker 3: doing with the NFL the draft.

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Speaker 1: Well, I I'm on Pro Football Talk every morning on

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Speaker 1: Peacock from seven to nine am. I do Chris Sims

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Speaker 1: Unbuttoned podcast twice a week this time of the year,

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Speaker 1: and then, as you know, during the season Football Night

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Speaker 1: in America Sunday Night pregame show, I do that as well.

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Speaker 1: But uh, yep, everything NBC Sports. You can find my

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Speaker 1: big mouth, ugly mug there whenever you want.

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Speaker 3: And of course the college football covered as well as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, so college Football.

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Speaker 1: Big ten on Saturdays. I'm doing it. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: do it all, dude.

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Speaker 3: How do you manage NFL and college prep at the

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Speaker 3: same time, Like I'm being very genuine here, how do

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Speaker 3: you do that?

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Speaker 2: That that that's really tough?

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Speaker 1: It's I trust me. I pushed back against NBC when

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Speaker 1: they first told me. I was like, what, like I

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Speaker 1: first saw, Hey, I'm doing more that I think than

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Speaker 1: anybody in the company anyways, but you want me to

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Speaker 1: do one more thing. But right, so, I yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: really I've had a compartmentalize where I go basically Sunday

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Speaker 1: till till Thursday, twelve thirty one o'clock, I'm all NFL.

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Speaker 1: And then I get to Thursday afternoon and I go, wait, NBC,

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Speaker 1: we got these games. And I sit there Thursday and

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Speaker 1: Friday and break down the teams that are gonna play

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Speaker 1: in college football on our channel and do it that way.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's not always easy. It definitely stressed

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Speaker 1: me out some weeks. John, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Chris, good stuff, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the rest of the process and then enjoy some

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Speaker 3: time off and made June and July. Please, I think

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Speaker 3: we all need it before we get up for another year.

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Speaker 1: My man. I you know it, Man, I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: having me. John. Now, let's go g man.

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Speaker 2: That's Chris Sims and NBC Sports.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate him joining us right here on The Giants

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Speaker 3: of the Giants. We're from the Hackensack Murty Health Podcast Studio.

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Speaker 3: Keep getting better for Chris Simms. I'm John Schmolke. We'll

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