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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Bizarre and Lazar.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it joined us Always buy ours Barak.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: The island is expanding for Afton Chisholm.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why is it an island for Afton Chism. That

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Speaker 1: is a quarterback thing. That is a quarterback thing.

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Speaker 3: Afton Chisholm.

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Speaker 2: Regardless you want to get mad, I'm calling it an island.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not deserved. I just think it's

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Speaker 1: over analogy.

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Speaker 3: The island is expanding.

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Speaker 1: But it's not an island. He's not a It doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense.

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Speaker 2: People are building houses, they're buying land, and then they're

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Speaker 2: building houses. So if you want some land on Afton

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Speaker 2: chishom Island, als, you better start to purchase right now

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Speaker 2: because it's getting a little crowded over there.

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Speaker 3: That was before the eton Chism moment even happened.

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Speaker 1: I stand by my need. A better term for that

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Speaker 1: now is making the football.

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Speaker 3: You put it. You have an island, and there's real

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Speaker 3: estate available on the island like in the old days,

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Speaker 3: like before Martha's vineyard in Nantucket got all populated. There

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Speaker 3: was open grass and open dirt for people to build

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Speaker 3: houses on efton Chishm Island. Now bumping. This is we

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Speaker 3: got multiple.

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Speaker 1: Train you could have first class tickets on the train.

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Speaker 1: About that. Nowfton Chisham City you can still do real

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Speaker 1: estate and city not island. It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: It makes more sense. And that was the last Thursday

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Speaker 3: show Alex before the preseason game even happened. That was

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Speaker 3: just based off of practice. So now this efton Chishm Island.

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Speaker 3: This the island is bumping. Now we got we got restaurants,

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Speaker 3: we got bars, we got we got beaches where we're

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Speaker 3: full on. You know, Martha's Vandernard Nantucket. Eft in Chishm Island.

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Speaker 3: That that's our chappie, you know is in there.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots play the Raiders week one. Their best receivers

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, right, yes, could me and Jacoby Myers both

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Speaker 1: be on Christian Gonzales Island then in week one technically

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Speaker 1: because if Christian Zalaz shuts him down, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about him being on Gonzales Island saying this is what Also,

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Speaker 1: I am a fan of Christian Zales, So I like,

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Speaker 1: do you understand that's you.

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Speaker 3: Understand why it doesn't work. I understand, but it's different.

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Speaker 1: Like, Okay, in this scenario, it's a different past.

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Speaker 3: It's a different context of using this term.

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Speaker 1: When there's a stut. When there's like a UDFA corner,

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Speaker 1: late round traffic corner and a year or two in

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Speaker 1: camp that absolutely pops, you're gonna need a new term.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying start now. So it's all standard.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, we're gonna get to et Chisholm, not that we

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Speaker 3: didn't just talk about him just now, but we're gonna

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Speaker 3: do three up, three down from the preseason game against

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Speaker 3: if you will. In terms of the show format today,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna go back and we're going to recap the

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Speaker 3: week that was, talk a little bit of Drake May

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Speaker 3: three Up, three down, and then we're also going to

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Speaker 3: preview the Giants game, but mostly talk within the prism

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Speaker 3: of the Giants game, of the roster cut down days

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Speaker 3: from roster cuts. So bubble players, Alex, you published something

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Speaker 3: and I know, I know that we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: a lot about the trade market because it's the NFL

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Speaker 3: hot stove, if you will, is maybe a little hotter

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Speaker 3: rumors and all that. So we're gonna get to all that,

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Speaker 3: And this isn't to make excuses, this isn't to you know,

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Speaker 3: right when Drake May is in terms of years on

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Speaker 3: have Patrick Mahomes started one game his rookie season. It

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Speaker 3: this point in his career, Josh Allen was coming off

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Speaker 1: A passer, A far cry from the Lamar Jacks.

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Speaker 3: He was at that point was like a running quarterback

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Speaker 3: right and were so all I'm getting at it just

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Speaker 3: But let's just let's just take a pause and just

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Speaker 3: recognize that as a young kid, he's still developing. Let's

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Speaker 3: they haven't played any games yet, and I'm hearing I

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Speaker 3: haven't heard anybody actually say it, but I hear people

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Speaker 3: wanting to say the B word, which is bust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Been We are way way, way too early in this

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Speaker 3: you know, is he clutch, is he a winning player?

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Speaker 3: Does he have it? Like all these different types of things,

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Speaker 3: before we start throwing things around. That That is my

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Speaker 1: So I think this is where you see, you know,

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Speaker 1: analytics thing. But the nerds love the early breakout player. Right,

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Speaker 1: Drake May's talent was misidentified. The talent is there, you

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Speaker 1: you're expected to be more than that. It's about consistency.

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Speaker 1: Can you do the good things on a consistent basis?

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Speaker 1: Can you cut out the bad things on a consistent basis?

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Speaker 1: So where I'm at with Drake May right now is

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Speaker 1: the talent is there? I feel comfortable saying talent that

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Speaker 1: Like check, we identified that correctly on the outside. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: was riding the exercise bike pretty vigorous le during practice

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Speaker 1: the other day, which is a good sign like that,

432
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Speaker 1: I'm sold he's a roster lock. I'm good.

433
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I think he made the team.

434
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: On Saturday, and we played that clip to begin the show,

435
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: from last week's show. Yeah, and I not to This

436
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: is not patting myself on the back, but that was

437
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: before the game. That was us talking about ethon Chishom

438
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: just based off of the press.

439
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Speaker 1: I will say somebody in the YouTube comments and hearing

440
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 1: that pointed out the island thing with cornerbacks is because

441
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: it's a place of isolation from civilization, so to have

442
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: it also be a place of community for fans is

443
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: totally upside down.

444
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: No, it makes total sense. No, I'm not gonna argue

445
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: about this. He's Chisem Islands.

446
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

447
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: But okay, it's not I said it incorrectly there. It's

448
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: not he's Chishm Island. It's that it's it's Chishm Island,

449
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: as if like we were in isolation with thinking that

450
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: Chisholm was good, but now it's it's hopping on the island.

451
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: Look right now, everybody wants real estate on the island.

452
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: We touched the Sun last year with the Manhattan Project

453
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: as a nickname. I don't think we're gonna get close

454
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: to that, but I'd like to follow it up with

455
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Speaker 1: something more than Chishm Isld. No, it's not Chisum Island,

456
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: but that's what it's gonna be.

457
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: I was living on an island, supporting efton Chisholm, and

458
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 3: now the island is expanding. Now everybody's on the island anymore.

459
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: It is still an island. It's just a hopin island.

460
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: It's a Ruba that you're missing. So analogy is so broken,

461
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: it's perfect, so broken.

462
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: Now now we we just we've civilized this island now

463
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: and people people are on the island and we're packing

464
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: it in. We're ready to go. So here's my take

465
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 3: on because I think you you summed up the game

466
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Speaker 3: stuff good. I think the one thing that should be

467
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: said about fon Chism is that I don't think it's

468
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: necessarily a total fluke that he's doing this. I think

469
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: their only question that evaluators had about and Chism in

470
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: the draft was the four seven forty straight line speed, Yes,

471
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: straight line speed, The quickness, the place drain, the ability

472
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: to catch the ball in traffic, even the ability to

473
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: break tackles is there on the Eastern Washington tape. And

474
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: he had all sorts of production in college. I know

475
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: he I don't think he broke Cooper Cup's records, but

476
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: he was like one of the only receivers I think

477
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: they have three hundred career catches besides Cooper Cup at

478
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: Eastern Washington. Yeah, so he was right there with a

479
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: lot of Cup stuff from Eastern Washington. And so this

480
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: wasn't a fluke of this guy is, you know, coming

481
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: completely out of nowhere to make a roster push. This

482
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: was a player that had draftable film in college, that

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 3: ran a bad forty and because the thresholds an archaic

484
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 3: thinking about the forty yard dash, people just wiped him

485
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Speaker 3: out from their draft boards. He just was undraftable for

486
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: a lot of teams. So once he came in here

487
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 3: and he started doing what he was doing, and I

488
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: want to reiterate that he's doing this in practice as

489
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: well as the games. Yeah, once he started doing this,

490
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, oh, this is some fluky preseason Maurice

491
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: Harris type of situation. It's like, oh, wait a second,

492
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: like these kids, this kid's skills are translating to the

493
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: NFL game from what they were in college. So Fton

494
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Chisholm had Day three tape at Eastern Washington and he

495
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: went undrafted because of the forty times. So in that respect,

496
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: I think that it makes it almost even more real

497
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: that maybe they might have found something here. It obviously

498
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: helps that he's playing in an offense and in a

499
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: role that's very hyper specific to his skill set. It's

500
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: a slot or Z receiver role in Josh mcdaniels's offense.

501
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: That is, you know, the Edelman Welker, Troy Brown, Deon

502
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: branch if you want to go back that far. It's

503
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: a highly productive role within this offense, which helps in

504
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: his skill set lends itself to that. But I think

505
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: the main thing to take away from this Efton Chisholm

506
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: thing is that if you just drafted him based off

507
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: of tape, then you probably were talking about a guy

508
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: that was like a mid to late day three pick.

509
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: But because the forty time he goes undrafted and the

510
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: hands up here as a UDFA with the Patriots, So

511
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: I think he made the team. The most important, press

512
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: or impressive thing I know to a lot of people

513
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 3: as the broken tackles, I don't necessarily look at it

514
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: the same way because he, like the guys that are

515
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: trying to tackle him aren't exactly frontline players. So I

516
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to break four tackles like

517
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: he did on his touchdown against the starting defense, but

518
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: the ability to separate quickly, find space and zone coverage,

519
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: attack the football in the air with strong hands, and

520
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: finished through contact at the catch point, like all of

521
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: those elements offton Chishm's game belong. He has good instincts

522
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: with the football in his hands, even though I don't

523
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: know if the broken tackles are going to be as

524
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: high of a volume. I think he has good instincts

525
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: for where the open field is, where the green grass is,

526
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: where people are coming from you're trying to tackle him,

527
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: which I think is an innate field thing that comes instinctively,

528
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: is not necessarily a natural trait. So all these things

529
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: I think are really positive about eton chism. You mentioned

530
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: that he hasn't done it against starters. I think that's

531
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: a fair A fair question is whether or not he

532
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: can do this against starting caliber players. But he proved

533
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: it he's on the team. I think he's done plenty

534
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: to make a roster, especially one that doesn't exactly have

535
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: a stacked receiver room. I think he's done more than enough.

536
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 3: Who's your second up?

537
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: Real quick cut? More things onon Chism.

538
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

539
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: One. Can you name the only two Eastern Washington players

540
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: who have thrown a pass in the NFL? Kendrick Bourne, yep,

541
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: another the other one? You should you know him like

542
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: you did. He's a very notable player.

543
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I got Kendrick Bourne.

544
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup.

545
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh so he's also he's thrown a trick pass as well.

546
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eastern Washington has not put out their twenty twenty

547
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: five media guy yet, so I don't know if he

548
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: broke cups records. Mother thing like like. Also, let's just

549
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of ourselves with Cooper Cup. At

550
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: the same time, Don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed

551
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: you Meanton Chism. Yeah, well, let's not get ahead of

552
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: ourselves with Cooper Cup.

553
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 5: Two.

554
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: I guess let's not call him Cooper Cup. That's what

555
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: you're saying, Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Fton Chism.

556
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like, he's had

557
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: a great summer and he's earned a roster spot and

558
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: for a UDFA, that in itself is a significant accomplishment.

559
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Let's not act like he's gonna come in and be

560
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: their wide receiver. One. No, let's not act like he's

561
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: kicking Pop Douglas off the field.

562
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: One.

563
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: They can both be on the field at the same time.

564
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: There's plenty of room for that in Josh McDaniel's offense. Two. Like, yes,

565
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: it was back to your point earlier about Drake May.

566
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't descrub, but it also wasn't the starters. Like

567
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: we've seen a limited sample size. What we've seen is impressive,

568
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: and you only get a limited sample size to make

569
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: the team. You're gonna get more of a sample size

570
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: to as the season goes on, Like how many pass

571
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: seven catch this year? Right? I feel like there's some

572
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: people acting like he's gonna be the go to guy

573
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: maybe eventually Julian Edelman took four years, and that's not

574
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna be Julian Edelman, but he made

575
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: the team. He made the team. I just want to

576
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: be able to check that box and appreciate that for

577
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: what it is, because it's an accomplishment without going over

578
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: our skis.

579
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: No, I'm not going over my skis. And we've talked

580
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: about this off there, Like he made the team, it

581
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: stops full stop, Like there's no projection of what he's

582
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: gonna be in terms of his rookie season that he's

583
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: gonna be this number one receiver. I'm not even sure

584
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: he's gonna be on the field, Like, I don't even

585
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: know if he's if he's a game day acting.

586
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're gonna keep six receivers, he probably

587
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to play special teams.

588
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: But right the one thing that I would say would

589
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: just and I want to get back to another thing

590
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: that you said in terms of if I again like

591
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: it's it was just the forty time, Like if it

592
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: was if this was a situation where this guy was

593
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: a five foot nothing, one hundred and twenty pound you know,

594
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: you know, right, sure, okay, like if he was just

595
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: not an NFL athlete, and I would sit here and say, okay,

596
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: like maybe this is kind of just preseason training camp flukiness.

597
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: But this guy was was on people's radars. You know,

598
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: he went to the East West Shrine Bowl and had

599
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: a great week. They're at the Shrine Bowl. He it

600
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: was just the forties. So I'll really reiterate that. The

601
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: other thing that you mentioned that I wanted to hit

602
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: on before we move on is how they can kind

603
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: of play multiple slot types at the same time. And

604
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: I actually yesterday, you know, Humble Breck. I was talking

605
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: to Julian Edelman yesterday. I'm gonna do just.

606
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Speaker 1: Real quick going into last year, and this is actually

607
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: absurd yea in terms of IFFT and have caught Cooper

608
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Cup in terms of receptions going, so I just have

609
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: going in the last year and last year Afton Chishom

610
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: was a two twenty six. Yeah, Cooper Cup has the

611
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: record for twenty eight. Yeah, he had double yards aft

612
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: and Chisham had twenty five hundred going in last year.

613
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup had career sixty four hundred.

614
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

615
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that Fton Chishm had four thousand receiving yard.

616
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: He I believe he eclipsed a certain threshold that only

617
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: so I think at Eastern I think it was like

618
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: three hundred career catch.

619
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Speaker 1: Three hundred catches.

620
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

621
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

622
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: So just to finish the take I saw going to

623
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: Edelman yesterday, and I'm going to publish a piece probably

624
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: next week about all this, just about uh, the slot

625
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: receiver in mcdaniels's offense and you know how you play

626
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: that role and his thoughts on pop and eftin Chisholm

627
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: a little bit as well, and we were talking about him,

628
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: Edelman and Danny A. Mondola and what made those two

629
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: guys truly different. And Edelman was saying that Danny M.

630
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: Mendola was a pure slot. He called him an F. Yeah,

631
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: they call you, they call it an F F receiver

632
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: in the offense, he was a pure slot receiver and

633
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: Edelman was really a Z who in three receiver packages

634
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: would occasionally go play the F and be the primary slot,

635
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: but in two base, in two receiver based packages, he

636
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: would be the Z. He would be an outside receiver.

637
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: So Chisholm to me is an F like he's a

638
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: pure Danny AM Mondola slot. And that's the comparison that

639
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels has has brought up. Pop, on the other hand,

640
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: might be able to be more of like a Z

641
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: or a joker or a flanker, a guy that moves

642
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 3: around the formation and plays off the line of scrimmage.

643
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: So to your point, like you can play in three

644
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: receiver sets, you can play a pure slot like Ft

645
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: and Chisholm, and you can play a Z like Pop

646
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Douglas and have both of them together. So in this case,

647
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: even though it's not a perfect because it Pop and

648
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: Edelman are very different players, maybe a little bit better,

649
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: but Hogan was.

650
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Big, So that's that's the But the skill sets more

651
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: similar because it's more based on straight line speed and.

652
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 3: Like downfield ability. Yeah, so you know that was what

653
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: Edelman was saying, was that the two of them would

654
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: play together in three receiver packages, but a Mondola really

655
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't play it into receiver based offense, right because he

656
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: wasn't like that kind of which you.

657
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Don't need to do that like to make for for

658
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Chisholm to make an impact or pop. Honestly, I think

659
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: even before Chishom carves out his role, when they go

660
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: to twelve or twenty one, it's digs in either Kishan Buda,

661
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: Kai Williams or mac Hollins. Like that's what it's been

662
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: all summer. Pap has been the guy that's come off

663
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: the field when they bring on a second running back

664
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Speaker 1: or second tight end.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So here's an email from Tom. I'm gonna I

666
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: want to give read this email because it's real. It's funny. Okay,

667
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: Alex is one hundred percent right, and chishm Island does

668
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: not make sense. Island are reserved only for elite corners.

669
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: You leave them in isolation, and QB's are afraid to

670
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: go there. Everyone thinks of revis Island when you hear

671
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 3: island exactly. It just does not work for receiver. This

672
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: is too much of a defense connotation. You can say

673
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: Chisholm train or Chishm Express. You get it before there's

674
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: too much momentum. Baby, Chef Chisholm. Sorry I can't read today.

675
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: Chef Chisholm, Chisholm bandwagon, the Church of Chisholm. I don't

676
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: like that, not on this show. Fine, but with father Fred,

677
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: you know Fred Kersh, Father Fred. But Chisham Island is

678
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: straight disrespectful to reeves an island nicknames reserved for elite

679
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: cornerback play.

680
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Speaker 1: I will say, somebody in the YouTube comments brought up

681
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: you could talk about a tackle having an island, so

682
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.

683
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: I want to be clear. This was not Chisham Island, right,

684
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: But I was on Chisholm Island. That different.

685
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: So many people here it the other way, Pruse it

686
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work.

687
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: I am not saying that his nickname is Chisham Island.

688
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: I am saying that there was an island of eft

689
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 3: and Chisholm og fans, and we were all on the island,

690
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: and now we are welcoming. I am not I'm not

691
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: a gatekeeper here, Alex. I welcome everybody. Everybody, come, come

692
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: on the ferry. You can come out to the island.

693
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: It's all right. You can. You can enjoy the beaches,

694
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: you can enjoy the views. I'm not I'm not trying

695
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: to tell you that you can't join the island. I'm

696
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: not saying it's Chisholm Island. I'm saying that I was

697
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: on the island, on the bandwagon, if you will, of

698
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: e fton Chisholm. And now we're good. I I all right,

699
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: let's move on.

700
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: Let's move on.

701
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: Who's your second up?

702
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Second up for me was Anthony Jennings.

703
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: Yep, I say one.

704
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm there's some reporting out there today from Andrew Callahan

705
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are, you know, open a business for

706
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: trading him. And look, I ultimately get it if you

707
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: can get something good for him, if you don't think

708
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna play fine. I like to see them find

709
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: a role for him. He's talented. I don't know that

710
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: this team is in a spot where they can walk

711
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: away from just talent. I don't know what that role

712
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: would be. Maybe he's not gonna handle a backup role well,

713
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: but like as as Harold Landry's as the Harold Landry spot,

714
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: as the second guy in that spot, I think Afredy

715
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: Jennings would be really good to have. I do you know,

716
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: came out with three sacks and he's against backups. The

717
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: pass rush isn't always gonna look like that for him,

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: but again, that's what a starter against backups looks like, right,

719
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: so he can be competitive against the starters. I ultimately

720
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: think he ends up. I had him on my last

721
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: ross projection. The more I think about it, I also

722
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: kept seven edge guys, which is probably unrealistic, but I'd

723
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: like to think he belongs on the team. He might

724
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: ultimately not make it, but he's making it tough on

725
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: him with performances like that.

726
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with your point about I was looking

727
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: a little bit at just trying to put together a

728
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: roster projection just for myself on a Pats Picker, which

729
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: is a great little thing by patsfans dot com. I

730
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: think it is ian logsite. They do a great job

731
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: with Pats Picker, and you can it just does it

732
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: for you, right, you know, it's all the players, and

733
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 3: he counts it for you and it makes it nice

734
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: and clean. And I was trying to uh, I was

735
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: doing it myself and guys like Anthony Jennings. I was like,

736
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: who are we keeping over Anthony Jennings that, I'm like

737
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: banging the table for that. I'm like, I need to

738
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: get this guy on, and we need to part ways

739
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: with Anthony Jennings to get this guy on. I felt

740
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: the same way about Javon Baker. I felt the same

741
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: way about Kyle Dugger, where I was just like, Okay,

742
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: if you can find somebody to trade Kyle Dugger for

743
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: and you like the compensation and you know, so on

744
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: and so forth, I can see the reasoning for it.

745
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: But this team is not in a position yet where

746
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: they have fifty three locks on this roster, right Like,

747
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: it's not like we're sitting here saying man like, they're

748
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: gonna have to make some tough cuts like no disrespect.

749
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: But we're just not there yet. So Anthony Jennings fit

750
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: fits a similar mold. Okay, so maybe Landry Chase and

751
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: Keon White are going to play over him if healthy, Yeah,

752
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: what happens if one of them isn't healthy, right, And

753
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: do you want to maintain that depth? Uh? And do

754
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: you want to have an NFL player that you can

755
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: fill in for that? And if you're cutting you know,

756
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: a UDFA or one of these rookie draft picks that

757
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: you drafted the late day three to keep an Anthony Jennings,

758
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: I'd rather keep Anthony Jennings, Like. I just don't think

759
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: that there's a people pushing him off the roster.

760
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm with you and I now, if somebody comes along

761
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: because you like a third round pick, fine, right, but

762
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen.

763
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had I had the same way I

764
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: had Chisholm Jennings. Who is your last guy?

765
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: Uh, Travon Henderson And it's limited, but he's he's just

766
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: so good. He's just so good. And you saw the

767
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: contact balance and the power after seeing the speed last week. Uh,

768
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: put him on bubble wrap. I'm good. I'll see, I'll

769
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: see against Vegas. Trevion like done more than enough at

770
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: this point. I still don't think he's ever going to

771
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: be that like Bell cow back, because don't think Josh

772
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: Mctageal's gonna do it that way. And if I'm the Patriots,

773
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: like take a lesson, Ohio State goes out, gets Quinn

774
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: shown Judkins in the portal limits Henderson's touches and he

775
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: actually becomes more productive because of that. I I got

776
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: to pull up the set. I believe he had the

777
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: same number of scrimmage yards per game on despite playing

778
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: less games or something.

779
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: I think he had. Didn't He have more yards from

780
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: scrimmage than the year before.

781
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: He had.

782
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: Two hundred more yards one hundred and fifty more yards

783
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: per scrimmage on four less touches. Yeah, So like if

784
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm the Patriots, take the lesson from that. You know,

785
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: I get maybe some people are uneasy with Ramandre Stevenson

786
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: because he's struggled at times the summer. He's banged up.

787
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: Now I keep him for now. I don't think you're

788
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: gonna find a better early down bowling ball back than

789
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: him at this point in the offseason. And if you

790
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: want to address that down the road, maybe you do.

791
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: But like it's it's got to be one A and

792
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: one B. I don't think that Trayvon Henderson's guy you

793
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: want touching the ball. You know, close to three hundred

794
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: times season.

795
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: He feels like a ten to twelve touch guy, a

796
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: game where you are finding ways to get him the

797
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: football in space as much as you can, while also

798
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: recognizing that you don't want to run him into the ground.

799
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: So ten touches twelve touches are right around two hundred

800
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Speaker 3: on the season, and that includes receptions, which I don't

801
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: think is exactly the same as like running in between

802
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: the tackles in terms of wear and tear. I think

803
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: that that's a feasible for Travon Henderson. I almost put

804
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: Travon Henderson, but I have a feeling that he might

805
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: get retired from the upslist at some point this season.

806
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Can we do that to a rookie.

807
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to overuse it. We've only ever done

808
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: that with I knew you were you know we were

809
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: probably going to get to him. The one other up

810
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: that I wrote down was Ben Brown, who I thought

811
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: was really good in this game. I thought he moved

812
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: a lot of scrimmage really well. With Will Campbell on

813
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: that left side, they picked up some post snap movement

814
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: pretty well in this game. He continues to be clean

815
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: in pass protection. He's pretty good in pass partis last

816
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: year too, and that continues to be a strength of his.

817
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: I'm starting to get to the point I was a

818
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: Bradbury guy. I've been a Bradbury guy, but I do

819
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: start to wonder a little bit here, and I wanted

820
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: to kind of dovetail this into a conversation about what's

821
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: going on on the interior offensive line. Is their best

822
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: line going to be some sort of combination of Campbell, Wilson,

823
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: Brown on when New Moses, and no Garrett Bradberry, Because

824
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 3: I think if you're just basing it off of strictly

825
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: off of who's played the best, and not necessarily Garrett

826
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: Bradberry's a veteran, he's a guy you signed, a free

827
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: agent and all the different baggage that comes with it.

828
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Speaker 3: I think that you could objectively say that Jared Wilson

829
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: and Ben Brown have outplayed Garrett Bradberry. I just don't

830
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: know if they're ready to pull the plug on the

831
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: veteran center, young quarterback battery like that whole thing.

832
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Speaker 1: I think that is part of it for me. Ben

833
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Brown and Drake may have worked together before, so I

834
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: know Ben Brown's young, but but you have that unless

835
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: they're worried about how Brown's picked up the offense. The

836
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: fact Brown's gotten so much, like it makes sense. But

837
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: Brown and Wilson are both working so much at left

838
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: guard right Like, at a certain point, if one of

839
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: them is going to be the center, he's got to

840
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: start playing center. That's not really a switch you want

841
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: to make Saturday night before the first game of the year. So, yeah,

842
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you, And maybe it ultimately becomes that once

843
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: we get a few weeks into the season like we

844
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: did this last year. We all kind of knew Chukes

845
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: wasn't going to work at left tackle, and it worked

846
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: itself out eventually. I'd rather Drake may not have to

847
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: go through that, But and the offense as a whole,

848
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I should say, but I think that is their best group.

849
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: I still think Jared Wilson's a starting caliber NFL center.

850
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: The only problem is he had a couple of bad

851
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: snaps early in the summer and then he really hasn't

852
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: played center since outside of those few snaps in the game.

853
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: So where are they at with him actually snapping and

854
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: does he need to work through that? Are they good

855
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: with him as center? Did that worry them to the

856
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: point where he's a guard? Okay? If that's true, find

857
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: playment guard, because I still think he can hold up there.

858
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: But now you got to get Ben Brown working at

859
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: center to work with Drake May. If it's just the

860
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: two of them rotating at guard, that's an outright position battle.

861
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: And I mean it looks right now like Garrett Bradbury's

862
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: the starting center. As much as he struggled, it doesn't

863
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: look like he's budget.

864
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: It seemed to settle down for him a little bit

865
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 3: after the Commander's preseason game. He had a decent game

866
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: one of the preseason.

867
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: That wants to know if you're on Ben Brown island.

868
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: No, No, that doesn't rise to island level.

869
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: But because it doesn't make sense.

870
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: The first preseason game against the Commanders, I thought Garrett

871
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: Bradbury played pretty well in and then he was kind

872
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: of the entrench center from that point on all of

873
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: last week in the joint practices and then in the

874
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: preseason game on Saturday, and then we came out of

875
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: the preseason game on Saturday, and all of a sudden,

876
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: there's a mix going on in there between Wilson Brown Bradberry.

877
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: I want to be clear, Bradberry's only playing center, yeah,

878
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: but Brown is playing some center. He's playing some left guard.

879
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: Wilson obviously played both positions in the game as well,

880
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: So Bradberry's only playing center, but he's in a mix

881
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: of three guys that are rotating in from a bigger picture, yeah,

882
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: you know, sort of cycle. So the one thing that

883
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: Bradbury has going for him is not how he plays

884
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: after the snap. It's before the snap. He's a veteran center.

885
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: You have a second year quarterback. He's a guy that

886
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: can help Drake May with protections and mike calls and

887
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: sniffing out blitzes and seeing things and all that kind

888
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: of stuff. There is something to be said for that.

889
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: There's a lot of value in having an experienced center

890
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: working with a young quarterback. But does that push Is

891
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: that enough? Is that enough for Gerett Bradbury to hold

892
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: off guys that are better than him currently? I would

893
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 3: say we'll find out.

894
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: Clearly has been so far, but that can change. When

895
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: this is where this is not a Patriots thing like league,

896
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: Why there's so few opportunities to actually evaluate these offensive

897
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: linemen with the restrictions on padded practices and things like

898
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: that in the summer, when a lot of it is mental,

899
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: it can be enough to hold them on. Right when

900
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: it gets live, when the lights come on, that can

901
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: change real quick, right.

902
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: But I guess my point is, and this is sort

903
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: of a take, Like I guess if you kind of

904
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: know that this is going the other way with Garrett Bradbury, Yeah, Like,

905
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: do you carry Garrett Bradbury on the roster knowing that

906
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: he has a very very short leash and then he's

907
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: probably like he might spend the majority of the season

908
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 3: on the bench.

909
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: To your point, they might have that roster spot just

910
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: by the rest of the roster. I have them keeping

911
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: ten offensive linemen on my last roster projection, which is

912
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot, but I kind of noted in there it

913
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: might be like last year. It's at different positions, but

914
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: it might be like last year where some of these

915
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: battles continue in the regular season. The other question I

916
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: have about Bradbury, and this is just because a lot

917
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: of guys have taken this approach in recent years, Like

918
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: he seems like somebody who's bought into the program and

919
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: is in on Mike Rabels, in on Josh McDaniels, and

920
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: like's working with the younger guys and all of that.

921
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Like from talking to him. That's that's what he seems

922
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: to be. But all these guys are competitors. Is he

923
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: somebody who you know, who's the first round pick, he's

924
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: a seven year starter. Does he look at it if

925
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: they do make the switch and say and basically request

926
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: his release right and say I want to go somewhe

927
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna have a chance to start and play.

928
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: I just wonder if you do that now instead of

929
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: a month from now at a fairness to him, right,

930
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: because I think Jared Wilson's the center of the future. Yeah,

931
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 3: and he played thirteen snaps at center in the game.

932
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: I thought it went pretty well, and you know you

933
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 3: were talking about, well, those guys haven't worked as much

934
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: at center. I do wonder if, like Wilson and I

935
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: hear you in terms of working it with Drake May specifically,

936
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: but if Brown and Wilson are natural centers, yeah, so

937
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: they're learning guard as players that really are position one

938
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 3: is center, in position two is guard. So like for them,

939
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: maybe center is more like riding a bike and guard

940
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: is really the one that needs to have ramps. So

941
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: if you move Ben Brown back to center, who was

942
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: Drake May center for most of the year, last year.

943
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily a huge transition. So

944
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: like I just look at it that way, and I

945
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: do wonder with roster cuts coming up, And this is

946
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 3: totally take speculation, Like is there a world where they

947
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: just look at it and say, well, Bradbury or Brown

948
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: beat out Bradberry.

949
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean brad Breaker still say stay is the

950
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: backup second he could right then it becomes Bradbury versus

951
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: c col Strange, right, which I think Bradberry is gonna

952
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: I think Bradbury gets it too in that in that scenario,

953
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: but unless he doesn't want to be here as backup,

954
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: that would be and that just to fitish conversation, that

955
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: would be cold Strange's path to the raw. I think

956
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: that's cold Strange is basically only path to the roster.

957
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: At this point, let's go to the downs. Be a

958
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: little bit quicker on the downs. Yeah, my first down,

959
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: just get it out of the way.

960
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: Was was Drake Like, even though I said all those

961
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: things defending him at the beginning, it still wasn't good enough.

962
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: And it's still he's still got to be better than that.

963
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: I don't think we need to belabor the point. Oh

964
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 3: I had Drake.

965
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: I have one more sneaky up by the way. Oh yeah,

966
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Polk. Yeah, Jordan Polk has made a little bit

967
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: of a roster push here down the stretch, and he

968
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: might be somebody that starts on the practice squad and

969
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: comes into the picture later. They are going to love

970
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: the way he chased down the returner on that kickoff

971
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: the all Rable brought it up. He had the interception

972
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: last week, He was ready to run stop this week.

973
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: Who's the Who's the sixth corner right now? If they're

974
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: gonna keep six, which they might because of injuries.

975
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: So Gonzales, Davis, Jones, Austin, DJ James and so do

976
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: you have DJ James on on like.

977
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: He's he's clearly the fifth corner just based on the

978
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: way they're off right right, You said six, So that's

979
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They keep six because of injuries, but.

980
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: We're stretching it to get to six, is my point.

981
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: James is already your fifth guy.

982
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: But Christian Zalz has been banged up. Yes, Carlton Davis

983
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: has this injury history, Marcus Jones has this injury history.

984
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be short at safety two, that might

985
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: be a spot where you want to carry a little

986
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: extra depth. Who's six corner right now?

987
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: Probably miles battle based off of what they've done, all right,

988
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 3: but maybe if you consider Jordan Polk is a corner.

989
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: So he can play a little bit bit of both.

990
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: I think he's really a nickel, right he's slot.

991
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they might need a slot. Yeah, Okay, anyway,

992
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: that was just take I had all right, So I

993
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: had Drake mayonack to it. Sorry, I forgot. I went

994
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: to the bottom of my notebook to make sure he

995
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: missed anything. I forgot. I had that down there.

996
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: Did you have any who was your down?

997
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: First down? Kyle Duggar?

998
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I had him on here too.

999
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: I just I he didn't have He had an okay

1000
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: game to begin with that, and it ultimately wasn't called

1001
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: a fumble. But that play at the end, you know,

1002
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Mike Riebel kind of talked about it the other day.

1003
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: That's everything this coaching staff has preached removing from the

1004
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: program since day one. It's a good point, and I

1005
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: just don't I get Ultimately it didn't impact the result

1006
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: and it wasn't called a fumble. But the preseason event

1007
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: is more about looking about the process than the result.

1008
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: It was the regular season that happened. We probably laugh

1009
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: about it, move on the preseason. Something like the fact

1010
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: he was on the field to begin with on the

1011
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: final well, that's not a good sign.

1012
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: That was like ninety percent of the reason why I

1013
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: had him on here is because he's playing well.

1014
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: I literally had the thought, I'm like, if Kyle dugger

1015
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: gets a pick on the last play of the game,

1016
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: that's going to be an interesting little event to have

1017
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: fun with and talk about. But you know, the fumble

1018
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: is not not what you're looking for in that situation.

1019
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: So I will give this to Kyle Duggar. I had

1020
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: him on here because of the same exact reasons he

1021
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: was playing in the game that late, and because of

1022
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: the the near fumble at the end. I actually watching

1023
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: his tape, you know, there are obvious he has some

1024
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: stiffness to his game and coverage that we've known as

1025
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: existed this whole time. Yeah, it's not new. When he

1026
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: plays deep safety, I do think that he's somebody who's

1027
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: limited range wise and like doesn't necessarily have that preferred

1028
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 3: vision to like see the entire field and really process

1029
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: what's coming into his zones. And things like that. So

1030
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: I think there's some elements that when he plays, you know,

1031
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: away from the football in the deep part of the field.

1032
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: But with Dugger, I just the thing that I keep

1033
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: coming back to with him is you just rep you

1034
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: kind of summed it up perfectly. That type of stuff

1035
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: is the exact type of the s that gets you

1036
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: beat that Mike Rabel is trying to eliminate from the program, right,

1037
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 3: And that's the type of thing that the buttoned up

1038
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: type of stuff that they are trying to eliminate from

1039
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: this football program completely so that they can get back

1040
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: to a level that they want to be at. And

1041
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: with Dougger, I just I don't that's kind of a

1042
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: perfect em example of a one play example of that happening.

1043
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: And so it's a good point. I had him on

1044
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: there for that reason as well, and because he was

1045
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: playing late in the game. Now, the one thing I

1046
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: want to bring up with Kyle Dugger in the defense

1047
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 3: of Kyle Dugger. Our first year, my first full year

1048
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, I was at the Patriots' final preseason game

1049
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: against the New York Giants in the Metal Lands, Okay,

1050
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: because I remember I was still living in New York

1051
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: because you weren't a training camp. And I decided to

1052
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: go to the game, and they got me a credential.

1053
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you Zanas for getting me the credential.

1054
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: And I went to the game. Jason mccordy played the

1055
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: entire game. He was just like Kyle Duggar. He was

1056
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: in the game for the last snap of the of

1057
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: the play of the game. And I remember going into

1058
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: the road team locker room in the Medal Lands, which

1059
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 3: by the way, has two road team locker rooms. There's

1060
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: one for the Jets and one.

1061
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: For the understand why they did that, which is very confult,

1062
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: I understand, Oh, it's because that way when they have

1063
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: neutral Syche games, they have two locker rooms. Okay, maybe,

1064
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: so when you have Army Navy there, I went for

1065
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: Army one for Navy. Right, they don't have to like

1066
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: use the like when they came here for Army Navy.

1067
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: Navy used the Patriots locker room, which is a nice

1068
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: gesture by the Patriots, obviously, but it's also like a

1069
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: whole other thing you have to do.

1070
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 3: Right, So I remember going into the road team locker

1071
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: room that night.

1072
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Speaker 1: One of the things, did you I think I remember

1073
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: reading this when the Jets play the Giants. When they

1074
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: play each other, I think the road team has to

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00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: use one of those road team locker rooms. I don't

1076
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: think they're allowed to use their own.

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00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: Locker because it's like and they have to be at

1078
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: a disadvantage of being in the road.

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Speaker 1: I think I remember, everything has to be equal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look that up. I think I remember seeing that.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy because your locker is literally like right down

1082
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: the ball and you can't use it anyways. So Jason

1083
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: McCarty sat at the locker, stood at his locker or whatever,

1084
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 3: and I remember being in the scrum talking to Jason

1085
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: mccordy and him not knowing if he made the team

1086
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: or not, Like he was one hundred percent on the bubble.

1087
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: One hundred percent on the bubble, played into the fourth

1088
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: quarter of the last preseason game, and this was when

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00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 3: there were four preseason games, So I think that made

1090
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 3: even more. It made me meant even more at the

1091
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: time that he was playing, and later that year he

1092
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: ends up breaking up the pass and the Super Bowl

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00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: that won them the game, and the rest is history.

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Speaker 3: So as much as I I want to sit here

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00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: and say that Kyle Duggar looks like he's on the

1096
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: outside looking in. It kind of looks like Jason McCarty

1097
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: was on the outside looking into. Now, maybe his brother

1098
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: being a team captain and one of the better Patriots

1099
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: of that generation, that might have played a role in

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00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: the fact that he ended up making the team. But

1101
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 3: Jason McCarty ended up making the team. He ended up

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00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: having a great season with the Patriots. He ended up

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00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 3: making the play of the season in the Super Bowl

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00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: for the Patriots. So my point is is that maybe

1105
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: there's a sliver, tiny little bit of hope that this

1106
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: could turn back around for Kyle dugger at some point.

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: So I just want to throw that story out there

1108
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: because I think it's I always think of that when

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00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: we talk about this kind of stuff with Jason McCarty.

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Speaker 3: All right, last one here for real quick.

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00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: The Jets can use their own locker room or the

1112
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: Giants when they're the road team, but they have to

1113
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: walk in a different way and it's resulted in players

1114
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: sometimes walking into the other team's locker room.

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00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: That's crazy. So I had may, I had Duggar. My

1116
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: last down here was Javon Baker, who Mike just tweeted

1117
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes ago that Javon Baker is traveling

1118
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: to New York for the preseason finale, so he hasn't

1119
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 3: been practicing the last couple of days, but maybe he's

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00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: still gonna play in the game. I know that there

1121
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: was some bad luck for Javon Baker in terms of

1122
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: the balls he was getting from Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't I'll get to that when I do down.

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00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't perfect from Josh Dobbs by any means

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Speaker 3: in terms of throwing to Javon Baker. That definitely contributed

1126
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: to the one for seven that Javon Baker had one

1127
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: catch seven targets in the box score. But I just

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00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: thought with Javon Baker, it's still just isn't fully clicking

1129
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: for Javon Baker. The consistency that you were talking about

1130
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: for Drake may is really there with Javon Baker.

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00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: Two.

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00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 3: He has moments, but the route running, I thought there's

1133
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: a couple of routes that I thought were ify in

1134
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: the game. You know, does not great job pushing vertical

1135
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: and getting the corner out into space and then kind

1136
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: of breaking down and creating separation at the top of

1137
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: the route. Even the throw that Woolridge completed him, I

1138
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: thought was he was blanketed. The ball just kind of

1139
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: squeaked through the corner who had his back to the

1140
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: quarterback and didn't know the ball was coming. The throw

1141
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: at the back of the end zone, I kind of

1142
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: thought Javon Baker stopped down on his route, Like if

1143
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: he kept running the back of the end zone there,

1144
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: I think that that's a more catchable target. So there's

1145
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: just some little like route running things with him that

1146
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: I still think pop up every single time he gets

1147
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: a lot of snaps or reps in a practice or

1148
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 3: a game. That's just you're just missing that last piece

1149
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: for Javon Baker. So I had Javon Baker on the downs.

1150
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 3: Oh in the false start, the fall start was he

1151
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: knew it in the moment, like I'm on the bubble,

1152
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: I'm competing for the roster. I can't be making mental

1153
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: errors like that. So made Javon Baker Kyle Duggar, who

1154
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 3: was your last one?

1155
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh? I leave one?

1156
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: Oh? Who were your last two?

1157
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Josh Jobs was one.

1158
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: I had already said my piece about Josh Jobs on

1159
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: our post game show, and I kind of went after

1160
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: him a little bit.

1161
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: So I'll just say, like when you're the backup quarterback, right, obviously,

1162
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: the backupquarterback's not gonna get perfect. I'm just gonna miss

1163
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: him throws you just can't get people hurt. You just

1164
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: can't be leading guys out in traffic. And that's like

1165
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: even the throw to Kyle Williams. I don't hate the

1166
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: concept behind it, Like, yeah, he's gonna take a hit there,

1167
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: but that's that's big boy football. Sometimes you're gonna go

1168
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: over the middle in the NFL and you're gonna take

1169
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: a hit. But all the more reason that throw needs

1170
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: to be at the numbers or lower so he can

1171
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: catch it and get down and protect himself or even

1172
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: like a little behind them, well behind him or somewhere.

1173
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: When you put that ball out in front of up

1174
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: over his head, he's now fully exposing himself. I don't

1175
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: remember who's a linebacker, safety, Whoever's lurking there in the middle,

1176
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: and that's how that happens. So I'm not expecting I'm

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: not expecting Josh Hobsy perfect. He's obviously, I think, been

1178
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: a little less than expected throughout the summer. But that's

1179
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: one where like you just I remember a couple of

1180
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: years ago when trace McSorley was here and he was

1181
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: the third or fourth string quarterback, and you know, I

1182
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: made a deal about it, and people like, right, he's

1183
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: not gonna make the team. W are you talking about it?

1184
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: They were like three or four guys he got hurt

1185
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: because he was just leading them into places that he

1186
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't been lead eating them. And then most of them

1187
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: were guys that weren't going to make the roster, but

1188
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: he got It was the year if he was drafted.

1189
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: He got Taekwon Thornton hurt, which you know in retrospect,

1190
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: but like that's that's the one thing is backup quarterback.

1191
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: He can't be putting your guys in harms away, So

1192
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: he's a down. And then Demontre Jacobs was a down

1193
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: for me. Started camp looking like he was going to

1194
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: be in the mix to be the third tackle. Then

1195
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: it was you know, Marcus Bryant took priority over him,

1196
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: but he was still clearly getting reps with the second unit. Now,

1197
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Jacobs has fallen behind Darian Lowe, who also did not

1198
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: have a very good game, but at least he's still

1199
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: in the picture, I think, and let me be clear,

1200
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: because they apparently it wasn't clear about it clear enough

1201
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: about this for Felger, I do think there's a chance

1202
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: they find a tackle on waivers who ends up being

1203
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: their fourth tackle. No, that's not an ideal situation. It's

1204
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: better if he's a better player than who you have.

1205
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: I think you do it, obviously, But Jacobs, it does

1206
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: not look like is going to make the team. I

1207
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: think Lowe's ahead of him right now. But I do

1208
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: think there's a room for them to find somebody better.

1209
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant's been solid, and if he's your third tackle, okay,

1210
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: but he's really young. You know, he's a rookie. He's

1211
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: a little more raw. I'd like for them like I

1212
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: like him Wore as a developmental player. Let's say something

1213
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: happens where Morgan Moses or Will Campbell is going to

1214
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: miss multiple weeks. Maybe you give Marcus bryan a shot.

1215
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: But I'd like to have a little more proven commodity

1216
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: with a slightly higher floor than what they have in

1217
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: Darien low Right now, maybe they can't find that guy.

1218
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that they ultimately can, but I would

1219
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: take a look.

1220
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: This is I put this play this was this was

1221
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: a rough film for Demontre Jacobs. This is that was

1222
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 3: one of the that was bad.

1223
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Well, I just on the usage. I was thinking, just

1224
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: on the usage.

1225
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: The film was. He was like this was last year.

1226
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: He was better than that. Like he wasn't good last year.

1227
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: I don't get me wrong, but he was better than that.

1228
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: It was it was a tough watch for him and

1229
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: run and pass block and it was a tough watch. Yeah,

1230
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 3: you're Josh Dobbs point is a good one. I like

1231
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: I said, I kind of said my piece to exact

1232
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: same take on post game with him. It was it

1233
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: was really just disappointing from all angles that Kyle Williams

1234
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: getting open in the game again. He actually the ball

1235
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: kind of found him a few times. This time he

1236
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: had three catches on three targets to start the game.

1237
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: He did hang on to the one where he got

1238
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: lit up. Yeah, And I thought, I that obviously we

1239
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't get hurt.

1240
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: I thought he got opened a couple of times with

1241
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: Drake in the game too. I mentioned the one earlier,

1242
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: and so I felt like a big game was coming

1243
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: for Kyle Williams where he was kind of gonna get

1244
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: some momentum and get some confidence going and then low

1245
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: hol defender drops out sits right there over the middle

1246
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: of the field. Josh Dobbs leads him right into the

1247
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: into the robber help and boom out for the game

1248
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: out for all week this week. Who knows if he's

1249
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: gonna play tomorrow night or not, but probably not. Like

1250
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: not great, right you have? You finally had a shiny

1251
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: new toy and then the shiny new toy broke right,

1252
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 3: and that's that's never great. So that's three up, three down.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys can hear me? Well?

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Speaker 6: So my question for you guys, so recently Elliott Wolfe

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Speaker 6: that would help the team. What player do you guys think?

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Speaker 6: What he what's he talking about. I know there's probably

1284
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 6: a mix of players that could really help the team,

1285
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 6: But what position do you think we would really need

1286
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 6: the most help at? Is at edge with Micah Parsons

1287
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Speaker 6: or you know, another like a Trey Hendrickston.

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Speaker 3: Who do you guys think could be Okay, Yeah, thanks

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01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: for the call, Nate, So obviously, I mean we can

1290
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 3: just do this now because then you're gonna get to

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01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: it at some point. Guys like Hendrickson, guys like Terry McLaurin,

1292
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: guys like Michaeh Parsons. Everybody would take those guys on

1293
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: your team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you go back and listen to how the question

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: was asked, and no offense to Phil Perry who asked it,

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01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: I just to parse the words. He basically said, would

1298
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: you trade a first round pick if you felt and

1299
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: make the team better? And Elliet Will said yeah, which, yeah,

1300
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: if it's gonna make the team better, you trade the

1301
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: first There's so much context missing from that conversation. Does

1302
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: trading a first round pick for Terry McLaurin do they

1303
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: feel that would make the team better? Like in the

1304
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: short term, obviously it would. Do they feel like ultimately

1305
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: they'd be in a better position as an organization. Some

1306
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: people would probably argue, no, would you trade a first

1307
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: for Michaeh Parsons? Absolutely, hell yeah. It's gonna cost a

1308
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: lot more than just one first to trade for Michael Parsons,

1309
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: So don't I don't know how much weight you put

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: into that answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess, like, let's just I'm back because

1312
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 3: if people, I'm sure is gonna be a lot of

1313
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: the questions today, you know, what would you trade? I

1314
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: want to take Micah out of it, because I would

1315
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: not trade what it would cost to get Micaeh Parsons,

1316
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. I don't think that Michael

1317
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: Parsons is getting traded because of that.

1318
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: I think he has to. I mean Jerry, him and

1319
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones have been hurling insults at each other.

1320
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: I think they're headed for a divorce. I don't think

1321
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 3: it's today, Like, I don't think this is happening this

1322
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: at this time.

1323
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: Period of n I think he's just gonna sit out games.

1324
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I doesn't seem that kind of guy.

1325
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's happening now. Maybe in the off season.

1326
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 3: Maybe I when his contract of like is really at

1327
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: the end.

1328
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: Have I told you my like tinfoil hat idea?

1329
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: Sure? I don't think so.

1330
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: So I scratch your back, your scratch mine. Yeah, Michael

1331
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: Parsons for Trey Hendrickson in a first The Bengals issue

1332
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: with Hendrickson is his age. The Cowboys issue with Michaeh

1333
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: Parsons is him and the owner hate each other.

1334
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1335
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: Now, maybe Trey Hendrickson hates Jerry Jones too. I don't know.

1336
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: It's possibility, But doesn't that kind of solve everybody's problems.

1337
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a bad trade idea. So now let's

1338
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: talk about a tree hand. So I'm taking Micah Parsons

1339
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 3: off the table because I think if you're gonna trade,

1340
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: it's not it's not totally.

1341
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: Let's just to actually play it out for the people

1342
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: who wonder.

1343
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: I think it would take like what Clil Mack got

1344
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 3: traded for a couple of years.

1345
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: First round picks.

1346
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, two first round picks plus plus.

1347
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. If well, he's gonna be worth

1348
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: more than Khalil Mack because he's older, he's younger, and

1349
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: he's had more production A.

1350
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: Little bit younger, I mean, Cleio Mack was a great player.

1351
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Parsons better in the position, he's.

1352
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: Better, but we're not Cleo Mack.

1353
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: I think it's three first, okay, even if it's two,

1354
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have multiple needs they need to address

1355
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: before their contender. Yeah, Michaeh Parsons alone doesn't make them

1356
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: a contender. Case in point, on a better roster in Dallas.

1357
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: How much playoff successes Michael Parsons brought them.

1358
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not totally fair. Like there's there's twenty

1359
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 3: one Patriots and Cowboys, probably the Cowboys, but like, it's

1360
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: not just Michaeh Parsons's problem that they can't win in

1361
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

1362
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: Right because the talent around him is not enough. But

1363
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: the talent around him is not enough there what situation here?

1364
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: And the way to add that talent is going to

1365
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: be through the draft, and now you're giving up those picks.

1366
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: So I feel trust me, I feel kind of gross

1367
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: saying no to Michael Parsons. But the Patriots is just

1368
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: not in that spot. I think it's a contender that

1369
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: feels they're a step away. It's Kansas City, it's the

1370
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: usual suspects. It's Kansas City, it's Buffalo They're not gonna

1371
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: trade him the Eagles, so they're gonna trade in the division.

1372
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, do the Bengals get creative and put trade

1373
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: Efferckson on the table? Those are the teams you're talking about.

1374
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think Michael Parson's getting

1375
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 3: trade is on the table because I think the asking.

1376
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: But I'm saying if he does. If he does, the

1377
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: Riots are not the kind of team that's trading for him.

1378
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't think any team's trading for him. Honestly. Hendricks

1379
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about Trey Hendrickson, because this one,

1380
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 3: I do feel like is a little bit more real,

1381
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: and not just in terms of the Patriots interest, but

1382
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: just in terms of getting him getting dealt Because a

1383
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: big reason in my mind why a guy like Marca

1384
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: Parsons isn't getting traded is because the absolute boat that

1385
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: you were going to have to give the Cowboys to

1386
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 3: get him out of Dallas is insane. Like the trade

1387
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: package you're gonna have to put together to get Micah

1388
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: Parsons out of Dallas is going to be incredibly astronomically

1389
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: high asking price. I don't think that that's necessarily the

1390
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: case for Trey Hendrickson. This is a guy that's disgruntled

1391
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: with the contract. He's thirty. He's a pass rusher that's

1392
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of the thirty years old threshold.

1393
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 3: So you're looking at Trey Hendrickson as like a two

1394
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: to three year player and that sort of window. So

1395
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: I don't think that you're going to have to give

1396
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: up two first round picks and maybe even more for

1397
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: a guy like Trey Hendrickson. If I was the Patriots,

1398
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that this would.

1399
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: Get it done.

1400
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 3: If I was the Patriots, I might think about offering

1401
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 3: a second round picking Keon White for Trey Hendrickson. I

1402
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: think that that's probably where I would go, Like, here's

1403
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: you know, key On White still young. Yeah, potentially a

1404
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: sending player that plays the same position. It's it's swapping,

1405
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 3: you know, in one in, one out. Maybe if you're

1406
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: the Bengals, you ask for a player in the secondary too,

1407
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 3: because their secondary is not good.

1408
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, take them.

1409
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar. I've heard Marcus Jones's name thrown out there,

1410
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 3: just because you know Alex Austin's ascension.

1411
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: I'd rather trade Kyle Duggar.

1412
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I think everybody would rather trade Kyle Dugger,

1413
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 3: but something like that for Trey Hendrickson. If the Patriots

1414
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 3: are as interested as some of the reporting that's out there,

1415
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's totally like the Bengals are

1416
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 3: so clicking and hanging up the phone on that.

1417
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: The thing you have there that's nice is remember how

1418
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: for years and years the Patriots just churned out corners

1419
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: like Udfa's late round picks because that was the coaching

1420
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: staff specialty. Mike Pellegrino obviously tremendously talented cornerbacks coach. Isn't

1421
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: that supposed to be with this team miss in the

1422
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: front seven with this coaching staff is so I trust them,

1423
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, to find a pass rusher in a fourth threat.

1424
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Britain Swinton, maybe it's a lashaponder, right, So

1425
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: I do still think they'll have that younger guy in

1426
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: the pipeline. I would probably do that. The problem is, like,

1427
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: so I had Trags on the radio on Saturday to

1428
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: talk about this. Trags made it sound like the Bengals

1429
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: want a first plus. Trags made it sound like the

1430
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: Bengals listening, And I don't want to put words in

1431
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: his mouth. That just texted him to kind of make sure.

1432
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: But the gist of what he said was basically, the

1433
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: Bengals taking calls on Trey Hendrickson doesn't necessarily mean the

1434
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Bengals are about to trade Trey Hendrickson. The Bengals taking

1435
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: calls on Trey Hendrickson is more about, well, while this

1436
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: nonsense is going on, let's see if somebody will get stupid.

1437
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: Let's see if somebody will give us a first and

1438
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: something right. And if nobody gives them that. Trags seem

1439
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: to think Hendrickson will ultimately cave and play on the contract.

1440
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: I think that might be the most realistic thing. No,

1441
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: the reason why I said, I think Trey Hendrickson, Micah Parsons,

1442
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: and Terry McLaurin to me are pie in the sky.

1443
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 3: I think those are dreams, pipe dreams.

1444
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm leaving that door open from mclorn a little bit,

1445
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit pipe dream a little bit.

1446
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: At your organization, man, it's a different ownership, I know, different.

1447
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: They have a different everything's different. They have a different owner,

1448
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: they have a different general manager.

1449
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1450
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: Different owners have like not many.

1451
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 3: Dan Snyder owned the team for like our whole.

1452
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: Life, not them, but like there's other organizations that's that.

1453
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: That's just who they are in all of sports, in

1454
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: all of sports, that happens.

1455
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: It's different with with Trey Hendrickson. No, I think that

1456
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: there is some real smoke to him potentially getting traded.

1457
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that it gets the deal done.

1458
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 3: That's just if I'm the Patriots, you make that offer,

1459
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 3: right like you you put it on the table, and

1460
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: a deal for Trey Hendrickson, like I said, and to me,

1461
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: it would be Hendrickson for Kean White second round pick,

1462
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: and then maybe if they want one of your your

1463
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 3: defensive backs, you can throw one of the defensive backs

1464
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 3: from YouTube?

1465
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: Do you not?

1466
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 3: Like Christian Gonzales?

1467
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: But like, do you think that's a wow offer?

1468
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 3: No? I think that's a fair.

1469
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: Okay, That's the thing I think with the Bengals, it's

1470
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: not here's all the offers, let's pick the best one.

1471
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: I think it's if somebody wows us will trade them

1472
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: or not.

1473
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 3: We want But I'm just not going any further.

1474
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not either that's it. What about this one? And

1475
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not the Bengals would do this.

1476
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if it technically is more and by

1477
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: the way text of Trags, he said the Bengals might

1478
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: be looking for a first and second or first and third.

1479
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the point. What if the

1480
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: Bengals look at it and say, Okay, Trey Hendrickson in

1481
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: are first for your first, essentially one of those NBA

1482
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: like pick swap trades.

1483
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: I don't think they would do that, the Bengals.

1484
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: That's what they think of Drake May.

1485
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 3: I think the Bengals are gonna want are gonna don't

1486
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: want to win that trade vi al inside. I don't

1487
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: think they're gonna do something that would be my offer.

1488
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: Every looks Trags is there. Trags knows Trags did not

1489
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: think he was going to be traded.

1490
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I disagree with Trags. I'm just

1491
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: saying or challenge, you know, the great tracks, challenging his his, uh,

1492
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 3: his information. I'm just saying, if I was the Patriots,

1493
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 3: if I was Elliott Wolf, I would pick up the

1494
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 3: phone and I would say to the Bengals, this is

1495
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 3: our offer, and I would offer a second, our second

1496
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: round pick in twenty twenty six Kean White, and they

1497
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: can they can pick from, you know, a bile of

1498
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 3: our corners or defensive backs that we don't really.

1499
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't think that gets it done.

1500
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it gets it done. If it's the

1501
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 3: offer I'm.

1502
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: Making, Oh, then he's not coming here.

1503
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

1504
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: So because the other thing, I'm not putting it past

1505
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: some team that's you know again on the line. You know,

1506
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: Eagles of thirty million dollars in cap space.

1507
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Howie Roseman's a genius, right.

1508
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: What's stopping Howie from flipping from college Eagles being like,

1509
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: here's our first Nothing like that makes sense to me.

1510
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Nothing I could see that it would be unfair.

1511
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 3: So can can I talk about a little bit more

1512
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: of a realistic trade scenarios? Because I know everybody wants

1513
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: to talk Hendrickson and Parsons and McLaurin. There's a some

1514
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 3: reporting out there, various reports. Now all this scuttle butts

1515
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: starting to reach the surface that the Vikings, the forty

1516
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: nine ers, Yeah, is the third team. There's a third

1517
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,839
Speaker 3: team that are shopping for veteran wide receiver.

1518
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: The Steelers. Steelers, their wide receiver room is not good.

1519
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: I'll figure out, I'll find it. But it was definitely

1520
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 3: the Vikings in the forty nine ers. I know that

1521
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: those two teams so.

1522
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: One of the best coaches in Kyle Shanan.

1523
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 3: The Patriots. The one thing that they might have that

1524
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: might not have a tremendous value. We're not talking about

1525
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 3: Trede Hendrick sent is Kendrick Bourne. And I wonder if

1526
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is a potential trade. And I know everybody

1527
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 3: is saying, well, what are you really going to get

1528
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 3: back for Kendrick Bourne? Well, isn't there a world where

1529
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: they get the old I always go back to Jacoby

1530
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 3: Brissett for Philip dor Sat. I don't know why, it's

1531
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 3: just the trade. I always go back to, Yeah, isn't

1532
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: there a world where they could get they could trade

1533
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 3: from a position of quote unquote depth with a team

1534
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 3: that is trying to fill a need and trade from

1535
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 3: their depth. Let's say, I don't know, just spitballing left

1536
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: guard center in that's your offensive line, even backup tackle,

1537
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 3: backup tackle. I'm not saying that you're getting a starting

1538
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 3: caliber player out of one of these teams, but maybe

1539
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: you can get somebody that you like a little bit

1540
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 3: more than the guys that you have in here At

1541
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 3: one of those spots for a player like Kendrick Bourne,

1542
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: who if healthy, if he is healthy, can go someplace

1543
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 3: else and contribute. He can be the third receiver in Minnesota.

1544
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 3: Right He can fill Jordan Addison's shoes for four weeks

1545
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 3: until Jordan Addison comes back from that suspension and then

1546
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 3: be the third receiver in Minnesota. I wonder if maybe that,

1547
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 3: if we're talking about realistic trades and we're getting rid

1548
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: of the big star names that everybody's bringing up, I

1549
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: feel like the more realistic trade is the Patriots taking

1550
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 3: a guy like Kendrick Bourne and trading him for to

1551
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 3: floridify their depth at another position like tackle guard, something

1552
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: like that.

1553
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: Real quick on Steel's wide receiver. Yeah, it's not good

1554
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 1: after DK Metcalf. Yeah, I'm just reading alphabetically here, Calvin Austin,

1555
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson, Lance McCutcheon, Scottie Miller is still in the league,

1556
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: ben'scronic Keishawn Williams, Roman Wilson, and Robert Woods and they

1557
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: worked out Gave Davis the other day.

1558
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: Okay, so the Jets are the third team, which I

1559
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 3: doubt the Patriots would probably not deal with the Jets.

1560
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 3: But it's the Jets. This is Diana Russina Jets, forty

1561
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 3: nine Ers, Vikings Jets.

1562
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: I trade Jalen Polk to the Jets.

1563
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: So is there a trade? And you know, just looking

1564
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: at the forty nine ers like offensive line depth chart,

1565
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 3: there's nothing that like really stands out to me. But

1566
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: is there just a trade with one of those teams

1567
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 3: the Vikings who you just saw by the right.

1568
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you that because Matt Doloffe

1569
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 1: actually wrote this morning on ninety eight five the sports

1570
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: sub I noted, I don't I got to pull up

1571
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: the thing here. I apologize, Mat, actually haven't read it yet.

1572
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: I was going to do it when I got home,

1573
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: he mentioned. He mentioned I usually do it while making dinner.

1574
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: He mentions Justin's school scully left tack the backup tackle there.

1575
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: They also have. They have a couple, you know, backup

1576
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: left tackles. I think he's the favorite to win the job.

1577
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: Maybe not him, but he mentions Walter Rouse as well.

1578
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: But any of these guys, Walter Rouse, Justin Schooley, Logan Brown,

1579
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: who I think the Patriots worked out before the draft,

1580
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, tackle from Kansas. Yeah, we know

1581
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: Bill used to do this right, you go to the

1582
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: joint practice, you see a player you like, you Adam right,

1583
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: did any of the vikings and all open up to

1584
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: guards too, But you were there any of their depth

1585
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: offensive linemen stand out to He was like, yeah, this

1586
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: guy like you kind of made note of him.

1587
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: The one guy that I that has been around and

1588
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: has I believe started some games in this in the

1589
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: league is Blake Brendle, who's a guard, could play left guard.

1590
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: He was the starter for them.

1591
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: I don't believe so because they drafted Donovan Jackson. Oh

1592
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: that's right, so I think he's gonna start. But Blake

1593
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 3: Brendle has been a starter in the past. Like maybe

1594
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 3: you look at him and say, think that he's better

1595
01:16:58,920 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: than Ben Brown?

1596
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: Did he have a good week last week?

1597
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: Better than Garrett Bradberry. He's just somebody that I noted

1598
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 3: on their roster. I'm not going to sit here and

1599
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 3: say I, like, you know, studied Blake Brendle every second

1600
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: of the practice. But that was I mean the one

1601
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: guy that I went to tackle that was really impressive

1602
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 3: throughout the entire week. But I assume they're going to

1603
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: keep him. As Elijah Williams the defensive tackle. He had

1604
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 3: a great game, great practice. He was really disruptive. But

1605
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna make their roster, and you know,

1606
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: I think he's someone they have plans for.

1607
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they the Patriots could use nother defensive tackle. Yeah,

1608
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: pull up a Vikings ross projection. Let's see, is he not?

1609
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: What was his name?

1610
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 3: Elijah Williams. Yeah, he's He's a good player. He's kind

1611
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 3: of like a you know, similar body type I would

1612
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 3: say to like Jeremiah Farms, but maybe a little bit

1613
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: more active than Jeremiah Farms.

1614
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: First ross projection. I pulled up the Vikingsage dot com

1615
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: does not have him on.

1616
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 3: I think he's on.

1617
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: But how about the Star Tribune.

1618
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 3: Uh, let me look up real quick. This is a

1619
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 3: good rate. This is a good rat.

1620
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: Great, just me reading roster projection.

1621
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 3: So Blake Brendle, just to tell you, last year he

1622
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: started seventeen games for the Vikings.

1623
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: I thought I was seven. I think he played in seventeen.

1624
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 3: No, he started seventeen. I'm looking at it right now.

1625
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 3: Started seventeen games last year. So he's a full time

1626
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 3: starter for the Vikings last year at left guard. I

1627
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 3: just wonder if that's like a spot that they look

1628
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: at right, left guard, maybe center, but I think between Wilson, Brown,

1629
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: and Bradbury they probably can find a center out of

1630
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 3: those three guys. Left guard is maybe the one position

1631
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: that if you can fortify that and then Wilson comes along,

1632
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit slower, but eventually as your starting

1633
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 3: center this year. I don't know that's just me spitballing,

1634
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: but I feel like that's if you want to be

1635
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 3: realistic of like what trade could the Patriots actually make.

1636
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: I feel like that's more in the wheelhouse and not

1637
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: the Micah Parsons Trey Hendrickson splash.

1638
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: So for what it's worth having, I just pulled up

1639
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: five roster projections for the Vikings. For them were fan blogs,

1640
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: but I didn't find their guy from the athletic. None

1641
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: of them have Elijah Williams making the team.

1642
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I just maybe I just sniped that maybe

1643
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 3: you found a guy a lot, but he's a defensive tackle.

1644
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily what we all had

1645
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: in mind, but.

1646
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: But I mean the Patriots could use some defensive tackle depth.

1647
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Spencer beaufort Is on the forty nine

1648
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 3: ers roster. I don't know what's happening with him. You know,

1649
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 3: Trent Williams is obviously their starting left tackle. But with

1650
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: Trent Williams, he's always in and out, you know, in

1651
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 3: terms of health and all that kind of stuff. You know,

1652
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: they have to manage him, they don't. They have Matt

1653
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: Hennessy on their roster too, as a backup center who's

1654
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 3: played a little bit in Atlanta and stuff like that.

1655
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 3: More of like a zone center, but kind of like

1656
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: a Bradbury. Honestly, it's similar kind of players. But some

1657
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: of those rosters I would look at if I was

1658
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 3: the Patriots and the Vikings in the forty nine ers

1659
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: call and say, hey, like, what do you want for

1660
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne? I'd want a player.

1661
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

1662
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 3: Give me a backup player. We'll give you our backup player.

1663
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. I'm with you, all right, Let's get back

1664
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: to the calls. Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?

1665
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 3: How good signer for leaving you on hold?

1666
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 7: That's sorry.

1667
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 8: I was hoping he'd give me a little bit of

1668
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 8: a vine too of him, because I got a long

1669
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 8: way to get to Grahama's house. But I will get

1670
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 8: to my question. I found it interesting, really interesting yesterday

1671
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 8: as she started bringing up Drake May and his processing

1672
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 8: skills on to you and then you know, you had

1673
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 8: an excellent open and then set the table excellently today

1674
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 8: because I was gonna call yesterday uh to you and

1675
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 8: asking that before you even brought it up. And I

1676
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 8: think a lot of times, you know, us New England fans,

1677
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 8: maybe the younger ones get a little bit impatient what

1678
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 8: they've seen over the last few years and don't realize

1679
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 8: that this kid's going to be twenty three there. I mean,

1680
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 8: their their roster isn't where it needs to be yet.

1681
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 8: And if you look at like and Alex you brought

1682
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 8: this up earlier, look at all these guys that have

1683
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 8: come into the league mostly like if you, if you've

1684
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 8: played three to five years in college football and you're good,

1685
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,839
Speaker 8: it's going to translate. I think the one guy beside

1686
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 8: from May that only played two years in college and

1687
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 8: came in and has a superpower as Joe Burrow. His

1688
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 8: processing speed in my opinion and skills is better than

1689
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 8: anybody's in the NFL's right now. So it's gonna take time.

1690
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 8: That's that's kind of what I wanted to get at.

1691
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 8: But my question regarding Drake May and his processing is

1692
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 8: do you think there's anyway Josh can help him, like

1693
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 8: pre snap, before the before the sound goes out in

1694
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 8: his helmet, he says, you know, something like, hey, if

1695
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 8: they wrote Tate coverage this way, you know, maybe look here,

1696
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 8: look here, or if they do this, you know, do this.

1697
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 8: You know, I know it's it's kind of stupid and

1698
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 8: you know, kind of enough too sway to ask it,

1699
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 8: but is there anything that Josh can do to help them,

1700
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 8: you know, help him along the way before he gets

1701
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 8: really good at reading defenses. And that's all I got.

1702
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 8: I'll take it out there, guys.

1703
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patty absolutely, but I talked about that on the broadcast. Yeah,

1704
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: but I do think that some somewhat of his a

1705
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 3: slippery slope because you don't want to put too much

1706
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 3: information in his head, right, So yeah, but I you know,

1707
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Josh doing that. I'm just saying like,

1708
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 3: at some point he's got to play well.

1709
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: So this is what McVeigh did. McVeigh would be in.

1710
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 3: High to the Patriots combat that they spun it.

1711
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: They just waited till that fifteen second mark hit and

1712
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 1: then they did everything. But yeah, no, he can be

1713
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: in his ear saying check this, watch that. Like Evan said,

1714
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: it's a fine line. You want to help him out,

1715
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: but at a certain point you want to take the

1716
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: training wheels off. And you know, teams may wait until

1717
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: after that fifteen second mark when the head set shuts off,

1718
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: to really declare what they're doing defensively, So you don't

1719
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: want to solely rely on that. But Josh can do that.

1720
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: And so what I was referencing from the broadcast Drake May.

1721
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it was Drake may Wright or was it

1722
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: McDaniels who had told him. No, was Drake may told

1723
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: Zoe in a production meeting that McDaniels in his headset

1724
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: much more than Alex van Pelt was last year. Van

1725
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: pell would basically read the play and be done with it.

1726
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: Now those plays are much longer. I don't know how

1727
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: much more time they had, but McVeigh would not McVeigh

1728
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Van Pelt would would read the plane and be done

1729
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: with it. He didn't say what else McDaniels is saying,

1730
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: but he said McDaniels is basically in his ear up

1731
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: to that fifteen second park. So I do think there

1732
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: was some of that going on.

1733
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And I think that can be really valuable.

1734
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: And like to Patty's point, it might be something like,

1735
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trust you to read the initial coverage of

1736
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 3: what the shell that they're in, but just in the

1737
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 3: back of your mind, like, okay, it's third and six,

1738
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 3: and situationally, from a tendency standpoint, Brian Flores really likes

1739
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 3: cover two in third and six, Like that's just a

1740
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: coverage that they really like at this down and distance.

1741
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: These are all things that NFL coaching staffs scout ahead

1742
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 3: of time, is down in distance, situational tendencies, like what

1743
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 3: are the teams like to play in these situations? So

1744
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 3: maybe they get to the line of scrimmage and you know,

1745
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: they're looking out at it and Josh McDaniels is like, huh,

1746
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 3: that looks like it's this, but I know that they

1747
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 3: actually really like to play man in this situation even

1748
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: though this looks like zone. And he could say to Drake, hey,

1749
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 3: just just keep in the back of your mind that

1750
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: this could be this could be man, right right. That

1751
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 3: type of thing absolutely could be helpful and hopefully that

1752
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 3: is where they get to it. So I'm interested to

1753
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: see where that relationship goes, because I think that was

1754
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: a really good story that they told on the broadcast, which,

1755
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 3: by the way, just quick aside. I don't watch a

1756
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 3: lot of the game broadcasts, Humble Breck, but I was

1757
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: home for the game on Saturday because I was doing

1758
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: the our pre and post game show instead. They did

1759
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 3: a great job, Zoe and the McCarty's, I think are great.

1760
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 3: It's not the traditional play by play color guy, but

1761
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 3: their insight into breaking down the game is especially the McCarty's,

1762
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 3: Like the thing that I think it was Devin. Sorry,

1763
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 3: I sometimes it's hard to tell which one is Devin,

1764
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: which one's Jason, just by their voice. But Devin was

1765
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 3: talking about the quarterback can like place the ball in

1766
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: a certain spot to force the receiver to turn that

1767
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 3: way because like he can see the receiver's back as

1768
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 3: to the defense, but the quarterback can see it. You

1769
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 3: can see where the space is in the defense. So

1770
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: he's talking about how Dobbs put the ball on Chisholm's

1771
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: inside hip and Chishms spun outside, and he was like,

1772
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 3: I bet you Dobbs wanted him to spin inside. Like

1773
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 3: just little insights like that we're really really good on

1774
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 3: the broadcast. I think this says pc P seas in Virginia.

1775
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 4: What's up, hello, guys.

1776
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 5: I want to make sure you got to Henry before

1777
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 5: I start talking to you.

1778
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're good.

1779
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 5: Okay, okay. The thing is like lot you want at

1780
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 5: the same time making excuses about, you know, by Drake

1781
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 5: May's you know time in college and this and that

1782
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 5: and the third. But the thing about it is that

1783
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 5: this team, the progress is going to hinge on his

1784
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 5: ability to dover the ball accurately and be able to

1785
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 5: read the field. Because even with some of these teams

1786
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,839
Speaker 5: that you guys attend to old rape far as the

1787
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 5: so called contenders or contenters whatever, they're pretty much in

1788
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 5: the same but as New England right now. I mean,

1789
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 5: like I say that they don't have world beats an

1790
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 5: office line, they don't have World beats a receiver a

1791
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 5: couple of teams do, but they able but their corta,

1792
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 5: they're able to deliver the ball and the field well

1793
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 5: enough to keep it pushing like New England is right now.

1794
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 5: And that that's different because if you've stacked roster or whatever,

1795
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 5: and it's not too much different. But these other teams,

1796
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 5: the players. You really actually have some players out to

1797
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 5: ask compete. Now, I'm like, you know, you know, that's

1798
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 5: what we have to say that for the first time

1799
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 5: in the last four years. So Drinke May does better

1800
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 5: at those things, those some of those things they think

1801
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 5: you have to compete taking compete well.

1802
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 3: And if he does better those of those things, Yeah,

1803
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 3: thanks for the call, PC. I think I got most

1804
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 3: of that. I think that. Look, I'm not trying to

1805
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 3: make excuses for Drake May. I'm not trying to excuse him.

1806
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 3: Like we broke down the entire game and the things

1807
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 3: that went wrong for him in that game. So I'm

1808
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 3: not trying to excuse him. All I'm telling you is

1809
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 3: is that you got to be a little bit patient,

1810
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 3: Like we got to give this a little bit of

1811
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: time before we start making declarations. Is he or isn't

1812
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 3: he the guy? Or you know, is he or isn't

1813
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 3: he a killer? Is he or isn't he clutch? Like

1814
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 3: I hear all these things. We talked about the whole

1815
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 3: clutch thing yesterday, and this is going to gets bogged

1816
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: down if I go on this direction. But I'm going

1817
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 3: to go there anyways, about like clutch and you know

1818
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 3: the nerds and clutch doesn't exist, and so they they

1819
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 3: were teasing me about that, and like all these different

1820
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 3: types of thing, think it exists. I do, but I'm

1821
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 3: probably a little bit more reluctant than you want me

1822
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: to be about it. I can't grow up in I.

1823
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Mean, I was gonna say, you watched Tom Brady for

1824
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: how many years?

1825
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 3: I can't grow up in an era of Boston sports

1826
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 3: with David Ortiz and Tom Brady and think that clutch.

1827
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Seen that video of the Oklahoma State to you ever

1828
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: seen that video of the Oklahoma State quarterback? I forget

1829
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: They're on the road somewhere. There's like two minutes ago,

1830
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: it's a close game. He's taking the shotgun snap and

1831
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: you can literally see his hands shaking. Yes, you ever

1832
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: seen that? Watch that and tell me clutch doesn't exist.

1833
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Some people are built for it mentally, other people's aren't.

1834
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 1: You can't qualify that, you can't quantify that.

1835
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not arguing with you.

1836
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I know.

1837
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 3: Only thing that I brought up, and you know this

1838
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 3: is a bigger thing that I really didn't want to

1839
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 3: do today, but whatever, the only thing that I brought

1840
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: up was that the athletes of today, the modern athlete.

1841
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 3: And I do this all the time, and I brought

1842
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 3: him up yesterday. I do this all the time with

1843
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, who you know, I would go to bat

1844
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 3: four any day of the week. Where Jason Tatum, the

1845
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: same way as a lot of athletes nowadays, gets labeled

1846
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: as somebody that's not that alpha, that's not that competitive,

1847
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, hates to lose so bad

1848
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 3: that he you know, is maniacal. He's not clutch. I

1849
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 3: hear that all the time, right about Jason Tatum. He's

1850
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 3: not clutch. You don't trust him late in games, like

1851
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 3: all this type of stuff. I think you hear it

1852
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, maybe not as loudly, but

1853
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: a little bit about like a like a David Pasternak, right,

1854
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 3: like he's not he's a great player, but he's like

1855
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 3: a winning player, right, these types of things. And I

1856
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 3: just my whole thing about Dot Combat, Yeah, my whole

1857
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 3: thing is is just like maybe that's just not how

1858
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 3: a lot of these kids are wired, and maybe we

1859
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 3: just kind of have to give up on the Brady's

1860
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 3: and the Jordans and like the maniacal competitors like I

1861
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: think Mahomes is probably the closest thing that we have.

1862
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 3: Burrow certainly has it, Yeah, but it's really not you know,

1863
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 3: Lamar gets gets you know, brated for this all the

1864
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 3: time that he doesn't have the winning gene.

1865
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen doesn't. But how's he done late in some

1866
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: of these playoff games.

1867
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 3: So I just say, like, let's just give it time.

1868
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: Let's give Drake some grace, Let's give it time. Let's

1869
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 3: not get impatient with his development. If we're still talking

1870
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 3: about all these different things and all these issues in

1871
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 3: these peaks and valleys and these inconsistencies at this time

1872
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,440
Speaker 3: next year, then we can start having the real conversation

1873
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: of whether or not he's the guy or not. He

1874
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 3: gets three years. In my mind, he has three years

1875
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 3: to make it happen, because then you have to make

1876
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 3: a decision on the fifth year option, you have to

1877
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 3: start contract starts to matter. So in my mind, he

1878
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 3: gets three years. I'm giving him this entire year as

1879
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 3: a developmental year. Once we get into next season and

1880
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 3: we are in this spot next season, sorry, if he

1881
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: doesn't start to show that he's rounding out and the

1882
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 3: consistency is leveling off, then we can start to have

1883
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 3: these other conversations. Until then, it's way too ear in

1884
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: my mind.

1885
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like he's got to show some progress

1886
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: this year.

1887
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a developmental year.

1888
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 1: Got to go up, He's got to go up. But yeah,

1889
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, usually midway through year two you kind

1890
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: of have an idea because you got to decide when

1891
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: you want to start doing work on the quarterback last.

1892
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's take Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean?

1893
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, Yeah, you were talking about chism earlier, but

1894
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 9: I want to go a little deeper in terms of

1895
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 9: predicting where he's going to be. I mean, I see

1896
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 9: like a ceiling as the twenty thirteen Patriots with Edelman

1897
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 9: and Amadola, And in that season, Amadola was second on

1898
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 9: the team to Edelman in terms of receiving yards. I

1899
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 9: don't know if that's too crazy to even put as

1900
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 9: a ceiling for a guy who's, you know, an undrafted rookie. Now,

1901
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 9: do you do you see him like as being the

1902
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 9: sixth receiver when he makes a team, or do you

1903
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 9: think he's moved ahead of Boudet and and and maybe

1904
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 9: even mac mccollins seems like he's playing really well and

1905
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 9: it's really import next. So do you see that Josh

1906
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 9: bringing in that same kind of plan where you're using

1907
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 9: the players like him and Pop on the field at

1908
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 9: the same time. Where where do you think it'll go?

1909
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 9: All right, I'll leave it.

1910
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 3: With that, thanks, Sean. I think we could get there.

1911
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 3: I think we're still a little bit early, is what.

1912
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean by not getting heead of it, And yes,

1913
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: it is exactly what I was talking about. So Danny

1914
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: and Mondola is a five year NFL VET, big free

1915
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: agency at that point, playing an offense that also included

1916
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski playing for Tom Brady or with Tom Brady,

1917
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: and by the way, second on the team in terms

1918
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: of pass catching fifty four catches, six hundred yards, like

1919
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: that's don't be wrong. It's a solid year, but that's

1920
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: not ipop that's not usually your second receiver. Just all

1921
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: ran through Edelman that year. That's too high a ceiling.

1922
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: That's too high of a ceiling. He hasn't pought passed

1923
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Kishon Boody, he hasn't passed mccollins because he's not he

1924
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: hasn't Like we're watching them in practice, he's not out

1925
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: there within.

1926
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 3: He's very much.

1927
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: Barely he's a nice has he caught a pass from

1928
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Drake May I think this summer, but it's we can

1929
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: count on the elevens and I think you got them

1930
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: on one finger if there is one. And I don't

1931
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: mean to disparage the kid again, he's been great, but

1932
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: and I feel like we do this at times, and

1933
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of this because we're not talking about

1934
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: the top of the depth chart this time of year,

1935
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: last week and a half, the preseasons all about the

1936
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: bubble unless there's like left guards different because there's two

1937
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: guys battling for a starting job. We're not talking about

1938
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: the guys that are entrenched in their positions. We did

1939
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: that at the start of camp. We gave Kaishun Booty

1940
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: a ton of flowers for the progress he's made and

1941
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: continues to make. We covered that it happened he's going

1942
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: to be one of their top receivers. There's not much

1943
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: new there to talk about. We've moved on to talking

1944
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: about the bottom of the depth chart. If Fton Chishen

1945
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: was going to pass Kaishon, Boody and mac hollins, we'd

1946
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: have seen the evidence of it. Because he would have

1947
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: passed them in terms of reps, like, that's literally what

1948
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: that is. Mac Hollins is out there getting as many

1949
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: reps as anybody. Kaishon Booty is still out there consistently.

1950
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: So Chisholm is a good developmental player. I think there

1951
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: might be a couple of packages for him in the offense.

1952
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you won't see him him being a

1953
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: featured player. I want to pull up with Danny A.

1954
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: Mondola's snap percentage was that year if I can find it, Like,

1955
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know for me, Chisholm, if he's around twenty percent,

1956
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a good number. Danny Mandola was on

1957
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: the field sixty two percent of the time for the

1958
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Patriots that season, im pending injuries. I don't see Chishm

1959
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 1: getting there this year.

1960
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1961
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Again, the role. When I talk about him in that role,

1962
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like how you're designing the plays for him.

1963
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're gonna call that plays at

1964
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 1: those plays at that rate right away.

1965
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 3: He is on the team, He's made the team. We've

1966
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: both of us feel that way. But yeah, and barring

1967
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 3: an injury, I would say to probably both Diggs and

1968
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas because to me, that's really what this is.

1969
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 3: Like Diggs, I think, is going to be your your

1970
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 3: starting Z or your primary zer receiver, and then Pop

1971
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 3: is going to be like a Z slot. And so

1972
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 3: in order for Afton Chisen to play, it significant the

1973
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,719
Speaker 3: mat where we can start talking about him having actual

1974
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 3: volume stats, like he's gonna have to get on in

1975
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 3: the field over those two guys, which is only happening

1976
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 3: if there's an injury. Yeah, so if Pop gets hurt,

1977
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 3: then there's probably more one for one there with Chishm

1978
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 3: to get playing time. Diggs, I think is a little

1979
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: bit of a different thing, like Digg's gonna play a

1980
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 3: lot on the outside. I don't think Chishm's playing on

1981
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 3: the outside.

1982
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: Diggs gets hurt, I think that probably means either more

1983
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: of Hollands and Booty on the field together or maybe

1984
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: that's where more Kyle Williams Kyle come in, right, yeah.

1985
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 3: Right, So I think that it's really Pop and if

1986
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 3: Pop gets hurt, knock on wood that he doesn't, but

1987
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 3: if he does, then maybe there's a path for Fton

1988
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 3: Chisen to play. And that happened for Edelman like that

1989
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 3: Welker got hurt and Edelman played, so that that happened

1990
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 3: for for Edelman, so it's not totally out of the

1991
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 3: realm of possibility, but we hope that doesn't happen. And injury.

1992
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: Ronk got hurt in thirteen, right, and that allowed them

1993
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: they because of that, they play more left in Edling

1994
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 1: a lot more time on this.

1995
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 3: So I want to get to a preview sort of

1996
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 3: preview slash bubble talk here in a second, but the

1997
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 3: calls are just rolling. Take a few more. Brad is

1998
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 3: in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

1999
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 7: Hey, how you guys doing today?

2000
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 3: Good?

2001
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 4: Good?

2002
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 7: Uh, just a couple of questions I have for you

2003
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 7: and stuff I've heard each of you talk about in

2004
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 7: the past, and and just an observation that in my opinion,

2005
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 7: Drake mays an a plus D pastor when Brady was

2006
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 7: a B plus. And so that's that, I mean, it's

2007
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 7: just my take of you know, long life Patriot fans.

2008
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 7: And so that being said, if we take Josh McDaniel's offense,

2009
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 7: and and Evan's even mentioned this about shorter receivers running

2010
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 7: over the middle like deep overs, it seems Drake struggles

2011
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 7: with those kind of plays. Can we like, do you

2012
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 7: think McDaniels can tailor the offense and become more vertical,

2013
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 7: given the wide receivers would allow him to do that

2014
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 7: throughout the season and use more different route concepts to

2015
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 7: be different than a Brady type offense that you know,

2016
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 7: was basically.

2017
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 5: A lot of over the middle.

2018
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 7: Brady was the best at that and Drake struggles with it.

2019
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 7: So what do you guys think about that?

2020
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, thanks for the call, Brad. So I

2021
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 3: do think that there were iterations of the Brady offense

2022
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 3: that were more down the field. So obviously with Randy

2023
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 3: Moss was here, but even like in twenty seventeen with

2024
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks, they added a more vertical element to the

2025
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,759
Speaker 3: passing game. So I think there were and we've talked

2026
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 3: about Kyle Williams Brandon Cooks like that sort of being

2027
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 3: an overlap in terms of usage of the routes that

2028
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,799
Speaker 3: they were going to have Kyle Williams run. I still

2029
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: kind of feel that way that there could be some

2030
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 3: overlap there if you go back to seventeen Cooks. I

2031
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 3: brought up the size thing yesterday on PU with Pop

2032
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 3: because if you're going to target a receiver down the field,

2033
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 3: you know ten fifteen twenty plus yards down the field,

2034
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 3: that's five foot eight. Like, that's that's not a very

2035
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 3: big target to hit, right, it's a smaller catch radius

2036
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 3: to hit. Not to mention, even if you're putting some

2037
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 3: air under it, like is he gonna be able to

2038
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 3: go above and win the ball and you're not gonna

2039
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 3: throw a jump ball to Pop Douglas. That's the point

2040
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 3: I was making. The one thing that I would say,

2041
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 3: because I think Pop has nine things over Efton Chism.

2042
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 3: I think he's faster, I think he's quicker. I think

2043
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 3: he's more dynamic with the ball in his hands. The

2044
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: one thing that I would say that Efton Chism has

2045
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 3: is a little bit more size. He's a little bit

2046
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 3: of a bigger target than Pop Douglas is. So it's

2047
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 3: not nothing I do. I've noticed that the last two years,

2048
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 3: this year in camp and then last year at times

2049
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 3: with Pop, like there would just be throws with Pop

2050
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 3: that were just a little too far in front or

2051
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 3: a little bit too far ahead of, you know, over

2052
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 3: his head. It was just these little like little ball

2053
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 3: placement things that Yeah, it could have been communication, it

2054
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 3: could have been you know, this route was breaking at

2055
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 3: five steps and he broke it at three or these

2056
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 3: little minutias that they coaching staff last year brought up

2057
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 3: at times with pop. But I also think an element

2058
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 3: of it is that he's five foot eight and he

2059
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 3: just doesn't have a great catch radius. You know, He's

2060
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 3: just not a very big target down the field. So

2061
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 3: that that's part of it. Now, that's not really a

2062
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: big concern when you start talking about first level targets.

2063
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 3: It's just when you start to work your way down

2064
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 3: the field. You know, when he's winning on a linebacker,

2065
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 3: you know, splitting the safeties in cover two and he's

2066
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 3: winning a foot racer with the linebacker, but it's going

2067
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 3: to be like a forty yard bomb into the end zone.

2068
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 3: Like that's a little bit of a harder throw to

2069
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 3: make when you don't have somebody that you can trust

2070
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 3: to go up and win the ball. So it's just

2071
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 3: a little thing that I've noticed. It's not like anything major,

2072
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 3: But hopefully that answered the question. All right, A last

2073
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 3: call here that I want to get to our preview

2074
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 3: of tomorrow night Z is in Western mass what's ups hi?

2075
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 4: How you guys doing. I'm just mad at everybody. Why

2076
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 4: did everybody have to get on Drake May when Rabel

2077
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 4: didn't you know, why didn't he do the same thing

2078
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 4: as the Vikings in Chicago did? What's their offensive That's

2079
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 4: all I got to say, thank you?

2080
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 3: Okay. So I think as he's saying that they make

2081
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 3: enough improvements on the offensive.

2082
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 1: Line, I don't know that or if he wants the

2083
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 1: you know.

2084
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 3: The blame to go to the offensive line or well.

2085
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Or did he mean like hiring Ben Johnson in Chicago,

2086
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 1: maybe they could have done more for their offensive line. Yeah.

2087
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: I think we said that at the time. The unit

2088
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 1: is what is at this point.

2089
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 3: I think they could have done one thing more and

2090
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 3: I think that that would which is something we banged

2091
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 3: the table for on this show, which was signing a

2092
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 3: veteran left.

2093
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: Guard or trading for Joe Toney.

2094
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I get, like, Joe Toney is a

2095
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 3: twenty million dollar a year player, So like that, if

2096
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 3: you're if you're trading for Joe's if you're trading Joe Tuney, though,

2097
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 3: then you're you're taking somebody else that you signed off

2098
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 3: the roster. This is how it works. Like you know

2099
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 3: that you're not going to just show out. It's not

2100
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 3: like they could have had Joe Toney and right like

2101
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 3: it was going to be Joe Toney in.

2102
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: This case, I think they could have In this case,

2103
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I think they could have.

2104
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 3: All I was all I wanted out of left guard

2105
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 3: was the Morgan Moses of left guards, Like who is

2106
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 3: the veteran left guard on the market that you can

2107
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 3: sign to a one or two year deal to hold

2108
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 3: down the position for twenty twenty five as you start

2109
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 3: to develop some of the depth and some of the

2110
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 3: draft picks that you've made on the interier Jared Wilson,

2111
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 3: Leaden Robinson, Kayden Wallace, like, whatever the case may be,

2112
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 3: they didn't do that. So if you want to second

2113
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 3: guess them on the left guard spot, that's why I

2114
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 3: brought it up as potentially trading for one at this

2115
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 3: time of.

2116
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Year or and I want to make sure my take

2117
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: doesn't get misconstrued. How I say this. I like Jared Wilson,

2118
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 1: I like to pick. I think Jared Wilson's their center

2119
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: of the future. I think drafting him made a ton

2120
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: of sense if they're gonna play him at center, if

2121
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: they knew they were going to be so locked in

2122
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 1: on Gear Bradbury, and maybe that's ultimately won't be the case.

2123
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: Like this is why this is a weird take, but

2124
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Speaker 1: like from what we've seen, it's been a ton of

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01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 1: gear Bradberry at center. If they knew, look, we can't

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Speaker 1: have a rookie center, we need a veteran and Garrett's

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01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,639
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. Maybe taking a guard there instead.

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01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: But I like they took Jared Wilson. I would just

2129
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: like to see them play him at his natural position.

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01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: They feel like he can get what I'm saying, Like,

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01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jared Wilson was a bad pick,

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01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: but so I asked Doug Moroun when we had the

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01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 1: offensive coaches and not the defense. But the response that

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01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: he had to my question about playing Jared Wilson at

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01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: guard was that Jared Wilson swung at both guards, as

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01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: he's like to say, plays both guard spots and practice

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01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: at Georgia, and given the fact that he was going

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01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: up against Jalen Carter and all those Jordan Davis and

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01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 1: all these beasts at Georgia on the defensive line every day,

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01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: they felt like he had enough reps and was battle

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01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: tested enough at guard to maybe play guard and flex

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01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: the guard even though he didn't play guard in a

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01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 1: game at Georgia. I'm with you, though, like I think

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01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: that that's it's different. It's different to do it in

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01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: practice again on the scout team, compared to doing it

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01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: in a game, even at the college level.

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01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 3: That's different. So that was sort of what the answer

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Speaker 3: that he gave me. But I hear I would have personally,

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01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 3: I would have signed Like I said, I would have

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01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 3: gone out and signed them. Morgan Moses have left guards.

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01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 3: I would have plugged him in at left guard for

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 3: the year. I would have trained Garrett Wilson or Caro

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01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 3: Wilson Jared Wilson at center, and hopefully halfway through this season,

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01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 3: Jared Wilson's your center. You have a stop gap left guard,

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01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 3: and the next offseason you go back into the well

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01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 3: to find a true left guard of the future. Yeah,

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01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 3: that was the one second guest that you have now

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01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 3: to me though, like as much as we can second

2159
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 3: guess them on that, you also have to give them

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01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 3: credit for signing Morgan Moses and drafting Bill Campbell because

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01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 3: the one thing we haven't talked about is tackle.

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01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we said this going to the off season,

2163
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: they were not gonna be able to fix the entire

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01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: line in one year, and we knew that.

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Speaker 3: Frankly, if the one spot that they couldn't fix was

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01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 3: left guard, I'd rather be left guard than left tackle.

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01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Yes, But the fact it's now becoming both left guard

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01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: and centers, what's a little worrying to me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you there, No, it's the interior.

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Speaker 3: It's funny. And we were harping tackle tackle tackle, Well

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01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 3: they did, you know, sign one and draft one at

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01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 3: tackle that. Oh we actually got Soto. Why did that

2173
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 3: not hit me? We finally got so that kind of

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01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 3: stabilized that for the time being. And now all of

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01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 3: a sudden, all the problems are happening in the ind here.

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01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 3: So it just moves aloud. All right, let's talk bubble,

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01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 3: Let's talk tomorrow night against the Giants. Last fifteen minutes here.

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Speaker 3: I want to read this email really quickly because I

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01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 3: think this sets up the conversation. Not well, this is.

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01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 1: The YouTube chat. Seems to think we have a bunch

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01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: of good emails.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sure, this is from Ben and North andover. He

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01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 3: has some like roster clarification questions which I think are

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01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 3: important for this conversation. So the emergency third quarterback. I'll

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01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 3: just sum it up here. You cannot use the practice

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01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:43,599
Speaker 3: squad elevation to make the quarterback eligible. Correct. That is correct.

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01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 3: In order to make the third quarterback active on game

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01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 3: day or designate him, I should say on game day,

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Speaker 3: he has to be on your fifty three man round. No,

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01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 3: it didn't change.

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Speaker 5: No.

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01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I think where it changed was they.

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Speaker 3: Proposed it and it didn't change. I've clarified, have you.

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01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 1: Okay? I thought you couldn't name a practice squad player

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01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: the emergency third QB, but if you elevate the quarterback

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01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:08,719
Speaker 1: from the practice squad, you could.

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01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 3: Then name him. That was the proposal.

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01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:11,759
Speaker 1: That was the proposal got town.

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Speaker 3: It didn't get past yet. Okay, it's still in the

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01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 3: in the ether. So as of right now.

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Speaker 1: Here, this is from last year. Nfl PA vetos Emergency

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Speaker 1: third Quarterback rules is NFL dot com vetos. You said

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01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the word veto right, so let me read it. The

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01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: NFLPA next a league wide, a league approved rule allowing

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01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,759
Speaker 1: an emergency third quarterback to come from the practice squad

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01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: with unlimited call ups. The rule averts the twenty twenty

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01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: three parameters, which states that an emergency third QB must

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01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 1: be on the fifty three man roster or as one

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Speaker 1: of two standard elevations for the week. An elevated QB

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01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,719
Speaker 1: would have to be activated. Oh, would have to be active. Okay,

2211
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 1: so I get what it's saying.

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01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 3: Wait what I'm telling you that you can't you can't

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01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 3: do it.

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01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm an elevated QB. But this contradicted.

2215
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 3: I know it's I know, I know. Can we just

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01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 3: move on? They would have to carry three quarterbacks on

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01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 3: the roster. I'm telling you they would have to carry three.

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01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm moving on to the second question, the IR designated

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01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 3: to return question that we get.

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01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: A lot, so I understand this one.

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01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 3: On roster cutdown day, you can place players on injured

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01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 3: reserve designated to return on cutdown day when you hand

2223
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 3: in the packet to the league. Of these are this

2224
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 3: is how we got down to fifty three players on

2225
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 3: that transaction wire, you have to say, I'm just using

2226
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,799
Speaker 3: him as an example. Kendrick Bourne is on injured reserve

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01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 3: designated to return on cutdown Day, so Brock Lampy is

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01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 3: not eligible for this. Kendrick Bourne, if they decide to

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01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 3: IR him on Tuesday and part of the roster transactions,

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01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 3: is eligible.

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01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 1: So the way it works is it's not all right,

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01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna put five guys on IR and then we'll

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01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: decide which two are coming back. Like you get two guys,

2234
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: you specifically say that guy's coming back, and like you said,

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01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 1: it has to be on cutdown day. So anybody that's

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01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: already been placed on IR is not eligible. I think

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01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: they have. And I don't know the exact injury status

2238
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: of these players, but based on what we've seen, I

2239
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear cut that there were two guys

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Speaker 1: who qualify. It's Kendrick Bourn and Jelawney to buy right,

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01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,719
Speaker 1: But you have to carry that player on the ninety

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01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: through two cutting down day. You can't.

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01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 3: It can't be brock Lampy. Uh, they play somebody else.

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01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 3: It can't be Isaiah. I think it can't be. It

2245
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 3: can't be one of these other.

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01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: I think you can designate guys earlier, but you have

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01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 1: to designate them when you place them. I don't think that, oh,

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01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: it has to be that way because it's literally a transaction.

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01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 3: Like think about it as like this is processing through the.

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Speaker 1: League today, so it'll be the And again, it's not

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01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: you can't name five guys all right, Well, we're gonna

2252
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: put Born to buy Polk Baker. Who else is hurt

2253
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: like Williams? Right, We're gonna put those five guys on

2254
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: and then we'll decide when we get into the year

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Speaker 1: which two we want to pack. No, it's it's two guys.

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Speaker 1: So I forgot about Kyle Williams when I said that.

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01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 1: I really hope Kyle Williams is not going to miss

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01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: significant time. Even if he's gonna miss two games. We've

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01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: seen what missing. He'd essentially missed two months because it

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01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: would be from when he got hurt, and then I

2261
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: think would be three weeks before the first game, right

2262
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: from when he got hurt. Yeah, and then he'd missed

2263
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,799
Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the regular season.

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01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 3: I don't think that this is I have no information.

2265
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 3: I just I don't think we're there. Okay, good, I

2266
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 3: be Born and Tabaya the two.

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01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 1: Right, I think those are the two guys that make

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01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: the most Okay.

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01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,879
Speaker 3: So with that being said, ending obviously, tomorrow, you posted

2270
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 3: something about your bubble. Yeah, you have a nineteen player bubble,

2271
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 3: which I think says a lot about kind of where

2272
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 3: we're at right now with this roster. There's like when

2273
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 3: I did my like, you know, roster projection unofficial. I

2274
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 3: had like forty three or forty four guys that I

2275
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 3: felt like really needed to be on the team, and

2276
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 3: then I had eight or nine spots that I think

2277
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 3: were totally kind of up in the air.

2278
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where I'm at, exactly. No, I'm saying, Okay,

2279
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I thought you met that last year. Last year, So

2280
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: that's where it really but go ahead. So well, the

2281
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: philosophy behind it, if for those who haven't listened to

2282
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: the show before, is basically doing a roster projection the

2283
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: same way, not you pick the bracket like pick your winners,

2284
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: but the way March Madness puts the bracket together, because

2285
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 1: it's not the bet was now sixty eight. It's too

2286
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: many times it's not the best sixty eight teams in

2287
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the country because, for instance, the champion of the A

2288
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Sun may not be a better team than like the

2289
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: seventh best team in the in the Big East. But

2290
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 1: there are spots reserve for the conference winners, right, so

2291
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: every team And yeah, the practice squad elevations leave a

2292
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: little bit of gray area here, but there's less flexibility

2293
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 1: with that than people think. For the vast majority every

2294
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: team is going to keep at least two quarterbacks. Every

2295
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,360
Speaker 1: ting's going to keep at least three running backs, four

2296
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers, on and on and on, right, So when

2297
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 1: you chop those out, that gives you fourteens going across

2298
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 1: the league. Like using positional minimums, that basically gives you

2299
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 1: fourteen spots that can be won by the best player left.

2300
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: But that number then on and that's league wide. That

2301
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: number on a team to team base comes down further because,

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01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 1: for instance, four ride receivers is the minimum. The Patriots

2303
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: have five six roster locks. If we're gonna count Afton Chisholm, right,

2304
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't count if you keep a fallback,

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01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't count if there's like a Matthew Seedter Slater

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01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 1: special teams like guy who's not gonna count against that

2307
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver minimum. So every year that number changed it

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01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: a little bit. Last year I had the Patriots with

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01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: eleven at large spots. Yeah, eleven or twelve. I think

2310
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 1: there were some guys that were on the fence with

2311
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 1: ir This year I have them with ten at large spots.

2312
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: And then the flip side of that is, okay, how

2313
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: many people are competing for those spots because you might

2314
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: have guys like again, is Josh Dobbs, one of the

2315
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: fifty three best players on the Patriots, might not be

2316
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the roster right. Jeremiah farm is

2317
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: another guy I consider a roster lock, just because I

2318
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 1: don't think they have enough defensive tackles without him. If

2319
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Eiden had been healthy, I probably would have put

2320
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: them both on the bubble and opened up that spot.

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Speaker 3: So it's not to cut you off just we have

2322
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 3: so read nineteen.

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01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 1: The point I'm making is there's players who are on

2324
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: the bubble who aren't on here because they're either gonna

2325
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: make it as a part of their position to get

2326
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: to the minimum or they're not. They're competing against the

2327
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: other players at the position. These guys are all essentially

2328
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: competing against each other. Okay, the bubble to me is

2329
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: Jamichael Hasty, Terrell Jennings, Kendrick Bourne if he doesn't go on,

2330
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: Ir Jay von Baker, Vederian Lowe, Cole Strange, Caden Wallace,

2331
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: City so Tyres Robinson, Anthony Jennings, Truman Jones, Elijah Ponder,

2332
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Jelani Tavai, Monty, Rice Miles, Battle, Jordan Polk, Kyle Duggar,

2333
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: Dell Penneth Pettis, and Marcus Apps.

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01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had a bunch of the same.

2335
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: Let me just clarify this too.

2336
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 3: That's a lot of names we just threw at you.

2337
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: So Hasty and Jennings aren't both gonna make the team, right, right?

2338
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: The one one might make it, they both might not

2339
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: make it. Same with the offensive line, So some guys

2340
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: have better chances than others. But that's what I have

2341
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: as the bubble. And like John Parker, Romo right not

2342
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 1: on there because he's either gonna make it or not.

2343
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 1: They're not going to keep two kickers.

2344
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 3: So I didn't I didn't do I looked at my

2345
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 3: own list before I looked at your list. My list

2346
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 3: is a little bit smaller just because yeah whatever, I

2347
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 3: kind of did it off the top of my head.

2348
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Did you have more roster locks or did you just

2349
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:08,759
Speaker 1: knock count as many guys on the bable.

2350
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 3: I just didn't count as many in the bubble. So

2351
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 3: I had Dugger, Jennings, Baker, Low Strange, Wallace, and then

2352
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 3: I had a couple of rookies like Farmer, Swinson, Ponder.

2353
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 3: I think that they're going to probably keep all three

2354
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 3: of those guys.

2355
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: Farmer and Swinston, I feel comfortable saying our locks.

2356
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. And then I also put you know,

2357
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 3: Born into Vibe Slash, Ir Cole and I are here

2358
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 3: as well. Uh, you know, DJ James probably on the

2359
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 3: team because they just need the fifth cornerback spot and

2360
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 3: he is the fifth corner.

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01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Right, So that's where you get into he like, he's

2362
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: not a lock in terms of he's going to start,

2363
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 1: but because they need X number of corners just to

2364
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: fill out the roster, you don't put him on the bubble.

2365
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 3: So out of your group, out of this group, who

2366
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 3: who can really like who has the most to win?

2367
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 3: Who is the most approved Tomorrow night? But against the.

2368
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Giants, just looking down my list, I think Jamichael Hasty

2369
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:09,759
Speaker 1: can kind of solidify his spot if he's solid.

2370
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 3: He's a nice little player, Like I know, he's nothing

2371
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 3: flashy or special, but.

2372
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: He's a good special team player. He's a good special

2373
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: teams player. He's a multifaceted running back. He's not necessarily

2374
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: amazing at at anything, but you can put him in

2375
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: any situation. He can be a multi positional backup or

2376
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: multi roll backup for running backs. Yah if rom Andre

2377
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: Stevenson's banged up a little bit, which we know he is.

2378
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: He's in a non contact jersey of practice. You probably

2379
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 1: want to keep four backs. Hasty is gonna play in

2380
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: the kicking game like I have him on. I had

2381
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: him on my last ross projection. Most to win, just

2382
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: going down my list, Javon Baker obviously a ton any

2383
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: of the Lineman, Cole Strange, Kiten Wallas City. So Tyre's

2384
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Robinson not in uh five here, low Strange wall is

2385
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: so Robinson. You're not gonna have all five of those

2386
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: guys make it. I don't think all five of those

2387
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,640
Speaker 1: guys are gonna miss it either. We're gonna have a

2388
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: couple of those guys. It's basically who is it, who performs?

2389
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: Who you know? I think Truman Jones, Elijah Ponder in

2390
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: good spots, Jordan Polk Like to your point, you kind

2391
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 1: of put DJ James on by default. I guess I

2392
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 1: throw Miles Battle in here too. But I think the

2393
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 1: interesting thing with Polk is if they're gonna cut Dougger,

2394
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm uneasy about them keeping for safeties, and and that's

2395
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 1: for safeties. I gotta double check my ross rerection. I

2396
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:26,639
Speaker 1: think that's for safeties with schooler right, so.

2397
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,640
Speaker 3: That no, it would be yeah, yeah, for safeties with.

2398
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 1: Schooler Hawkins, Pepper, Schooler Woodson. If they don't keep Doug.

2399
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 3: This is my point, like when I was doing the

2400
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 3: roster projection yesterday, Like Kyle Duggar, unless you find a

2401
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 3: trade partner for him, it's kind of hard to keep

2402
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 3: him off, like just you know, like just unless he's going.

2403
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 1: To be a problem in the room, b I, if

2404
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 1: he's a backup. But like, so that's where del Pettis,

2405
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: Marcus Apps, Jordan Polk, right, there's a safety spot to

2406
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: be won there. Now that might be a spot. This

2407
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: is where and anytime I explained the positional minimums people

2408
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: shoot back. Will he kept one quarterback in twenty twenty

2409
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 1: one because these are practice squad elevation?

2410
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 3: Still crazy, don't you can't go back?

2411
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: Well, del Pettis is a guy. Maybe they could get

2412
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 1: to the practice squad initially, elevate for a couple games,

2413
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: and then sign to the roster. So but like you

2414
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 1: want to make the case if you're del Pettis or

2415
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,759
Speaker 1: your Marcus Epps or you're Jordan Polk, like they probably

2416
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: should look to keep a fifth safety. And maybe it's

2417
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: not initially, but let's not forget that the roster. Let's

2418
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 1: not forget the roster doesn't lock in week one. They

2419
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: have a good game and they look at it and say,

2420
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:29,639
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna put him on the practice squad.

2421
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: But like, once the spot opens up, this is the

2422
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: first guy that's getting signed. That's not nothing either. So

2423
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 1: I think any of the safeties with Dougger, they're gonna

2424
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 1: have to sign it. If they move on from Doug,

2425
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 1: or they're gonna have to sign a safety at some point.

2426
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they keep Maybe they keep five initially and that's it,

2427
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 1: but if they keep four, it's not gonna stay that way.

2428
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to add another at some point.

2429
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they keep Epps. They seem to like apps.

2430
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 1: They do seem to like apps. But if your EPs

2431
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 1: aor Doug, if you're EPs or Pettis, maybe that's making

2432
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 1: that case that Okay, we're not gonna keep you on

2433
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: the initial fifty three, but if you come back on

2434
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:03,480
Speaker 1: the practice squad, you know, first spot we get, you're

2435
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that we signed.

2436
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 3: So the I agree with you, safety is a spot

2437
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 3: that's still kind of uncertain. And then the other one,

2438
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, is those backup offensive linemen like you

2439
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 3: had a Vederian Low, Cole Strange, Caden Wallace, Leyden Robinson,

2440
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 3: Tyres Robinson. If you want to throw him in there,

2441
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 3: you know how many of those guys do they keep?

2442
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 3: How do they keep any of them? Do they keep

2443
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 3: a slew of them?

2444
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 1: I think they have to keep at least one or

2445
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 1: two of them, because without any of those guys, they're

2446
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: at one, two, three, four, five, They're at six or

2447
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 1: seven linemen.

2448
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 3: Forget So right now I have Strange on and it's

2449
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 3: not so much that I think that he's played his

2450
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 3: way on. It's more the positional flexibility. Yeah, he can

2451
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 3: play center and he can play guard. So just in

2452
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 3: that sense, like Leiden Robinson Caden Wallace are one position.

2453
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: Back up the King, Wallace can back up a right tackle.

2454
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 3: Maybe this coaching staff hasn't viewed him as a tackle,

2455
01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 3: that's true. So those two guys in particular, it's the

2456
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 3: same thing. They don't have the depth a tackle to

2457
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 3: really care about this. But like Vederian Low, to me,

2458
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 3: is a left tackle backup. We've done those Low on

2459
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 3: the right side thing and it's way worse than on

2460
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 3: the left.

2461
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: So I'll give you just just to kind of put

2462
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 1: a cap on it, because I do on my ross projection.

2463
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: When I do the ross projections was separate than the

2464
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 1: bubble I do. Like the last three on last three off.

2465
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: I actually did for this most recent one, last five

2466
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 1: on last five off because it felt so close. So

2467
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: this is essentially forty eight, forty nine fifty. So this

2468
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: is essentially player forty nine through fifty three, No fifty seven, right,

2469
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 1: because you know, five on a.

2470
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 3: Lot of names and a lot of math, and we're

2471
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 3: two hours into the.

2472
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: Show, right, so my last five on, So this should

2473
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 1: be forty nine through fifty three. Anthony Jennings to Michael Hasty,

2474
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Venderian Lowe, Can Wallas, Cole Strange. I had Cole Strange

2475
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: is player fifty three. Player fifty four was Kyle Duggar,

2476
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 1: last five off Kyle Duggar City, So del Pettis actually

2477
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 1: should have moved del Pettis up. It should be Kyle

2478
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: Dugger del Pettis jaevon Baker City. So and then I

2479
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 1: actually used a waiverclaim. Offensive tackle is one of my

2480
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 1: last tu because I am still not convinced that the

2481
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 1: lineman they have now, I'm still not convinced that there's

2482
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: not gonna be alignment on the team week one that

2483
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 1: isn't on the team right now. So I'm not saying

2484
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 1: that's great, but I do think it's gonna happen.

2485
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 3: So I had Brad Burry Ben Brown on when Wu

2486
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 3: Wilson Strange as the interior five interior alignement, uh, and

2487
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 3: then I had Campbell, Moses, Bryant Lowe as a tackle,

2488
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 3: so nine linemen, which I feel like maybe you could

2489
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 3: you could get Caden Wallace on there too and make

2490
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 3: it ten like you did. I think we pretty much

2491
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 3: had the same thing and that was maybe the one difference.

2492
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 3: I could be talked into that, But I feel like

2493
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 3: those five guys. Strange makes a team because of his

2494
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 3: positional flexibility. If you want to if you get into

2495
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 3: a world where your interior is Wilson on when Wu Brown,

2496
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if Bradberry is here, so you might

2497
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 3: need Cold Strange to be that top backup on game day.

2498
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 3: Positional flexibility kind of thing. So that's what I had.

2499
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 3: But I still feel like if I had to, I

2500
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 3: had to guess where they're at right now trying to

2501
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 3: sort out these competitions. It's interior offensive line, like which

2502
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 3: guys are they going to keep out of that group?

2503
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 3: In safety, I think those are the two spots Anthroontiy Jennings.

2504
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 3: I feel like it is his own thing, like that's

2505
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 3: just a system fit thing, and you know, just do

2506
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,480
Speaker 3: they have a role for them and all that kind

2507
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 3: of stuff. I do unnecessarily look at edge is like

2508
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 3: this is a competition still. I just think it's more

2509
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 3: about Anthony Jennings safety and interior offensive line, two positions.

2510
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 3: I'll be watching tomorrow night, Tomorrow night Patriots Giants preseason finale.

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01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 3: This game's on Amazon. I believe it's We're not carrying it.

2512
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 3: It's not a Patriots broadcast, so it's national broadcast on Amazon.

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01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:52,960
Speaker 3: Eight o'clock Pregame Show six forty five. Your boys on

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01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 3: the pregame show again, second week in a row. So

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01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 3: I'll be on the pre and postgame show tomorrow night

2516
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 3: with Paul with deuced Claudia's back as well. So we'll

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01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 3: have you pregame six forty five postgame immediately following the

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01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 3: conclusion of that game. And so we'll see you guys

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01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 3: then and We'll be back on Catch twenty two next week,

2520
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 3: probably next Wednesday. Roster cutdowns will have happened, so we'll

2521
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 3: know the Patriots initial fifty three man roster. As always,

2522
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,919
Speaker 3: things are pretty flexible, as they like to say, fluid.

2523
01:59:21,160 --> 01:59:23,080
Speaker 3: You know, it always changes. But we'll be able to

2524
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 3: break down the initial roster for you guys next week.

2525
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:29,240
Speaker 3: So until then, signing off for Alex Barth Alex behind

2526
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 3: the Glass. I'm Evan Lazarte. See you guys tomorrow night

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01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 3: for Patriots Giants, See you then, right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Alex.

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