1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: me Ben. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 4: It is time yet again for our returning listener mail program. 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: Thought we could shout this out at the very top here, Matt, 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: you and Doc and I were talking about this little 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 4: bit off air. Hey I'll see this shirt. 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: Yeah I do. Whoa yees killer. 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: This is from our We're all family. Here is from 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 4: our good friends over at the legendary Atlanta restaurant ell Mere, who, 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 4: it turns out, are big fans of the shows, so. 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: Big fans of hell Raiser. 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 4: Yes, it is a hell Raiser theme shirt. 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: Me and your shirts are kind of on theme, Ben, 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: I'm rocking a Neil Game and Sandman shirt. Morpheus is 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: kind of a kinder, gentler pin head in some ways. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: Right, that's not an off base comparison. I appreciate. 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 4: Similar to the earlier story this week about shouting out 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 4: someone at a bank, we wanted to shout out Sam 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: at el Mere. And next time you're in Atlanta, folks, 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 4: let us know. Maybe we'll go get some burritos or 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 4: a case of deal with you. In the meantime, we 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: are going to hear from some awesome people. We're gonna 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: have a great question about conspiracy theory that might be 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: unfamiliar to people outside of the realm of the military. 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: We're gonna hear some reactions to Facebook Pornhub Texas, Canada. 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: We're gonna learn about a very cool response to our 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: earlier questions about sandwiches. But before we do any of that, 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 4: we have a voicemail. 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: And we are here with a message from D who 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: graced our voicemail lines not that long ago. 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: Here is D. 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 5: Hi. Guys, you can call me the I've called a 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 5: few times before. But I was just listening to your 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 5: episode talking about Robert Kennedy and the brain thing, and 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 5: it got me thinking. I read an article yesterday that 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: they did some tests on Beethoven's hair and found that 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 5: a lot of his ailments, including potentially his deafness could 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 5: have been caused by extended periods of time of lead poisoning. 48 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 5: They also found arsenic I think in the hair samples. 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 5: Last week I watched the stand up that Shane Gillis 50 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 5: put out I think on Netflix show Ever, and he 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 5: was talking about George Washington's teeth and how there was 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 5: probably lead in them as well as unfortunately the teeth 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 5: of enslaved human beings. But uh, this got me thinking 54 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 5: about the potential of you know, other leaders who we 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 5: revere and we think about who've come to power or 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 5: shown greatness over time in tandem with potential poisonings. I mean, 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 5: I think of like Shanwan Di who was slowly drinking 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 5: mercury because we thought it would, you know, keep him 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 5: alive forever. I think even like Hitler, who was not 60 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 5: a great man but rose to power. I know he 61 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 5: was on a concoction of medications and things. So I 62 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 5: just it got me thinking of that potential and just 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: wanted to hear what you guys had to say about 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 5: it and see if you would explore. Have a great day. 65 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: Thank you as always for having these conversations. Look forward to. 66 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 4: Fantastic question. Also nice references historically love Shane Gillis. 67 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: Too, yes, and he's mentioning George Washington's teeth as potentially 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: being from enslaved people. There's some you know, there's there's 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: some interesting something you find online about that that kind 70 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: of rebutes that and says it was probably like a 71 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: couple of different animal teeth, right. 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: And yeah, they were called straight seahorse, they were called yeah, hippopotamus, 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: and it was the from what I understand, it was 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: the lower kind of bridge of the teeth that we're 75 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: from enslaved people's uh. And I think the the issue 76 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 4: was that lead was kind of the bracing or framework 77 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 4: for some of that. 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 2: Probably not great. 79 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: No, No, there's an entire hypothesis, there's a surprising amount 80 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: of sand to it, arguing that lead exposure can partially 81 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: explain some rises crime over generations. 82 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: Pretty wow. 83 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it does have cognitive effects, right again, just 84 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: like mercury does. That has had exactly because I swear 85 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: we've had an elongated conversation about this kind of thing 86 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: because I specifically remember mercury poisoning. Maybe it was when 87 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: we were talking about red mercury way back in the day, 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: and we like it was a tangent or something. 89 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 4: Tis Ijuan was mentioned in episode we did on the 90 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: Quest for Immortality or several of those, because he essentially 91 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: ran his version of the known world and the boffins 92 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: that he paid to be on his court, or the 93 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: boffins that were forced to be on his court because 94 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: if they did not agree, they would be tortured and murdered. 95 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 4: They told him drinking mercury would elongate his life, possibly 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: to an indefinite degree. His seed bastards, History would prove 97 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: they were incorrect. 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: Well, do you think they knew they were incorrect? Were 99 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: they secretly just trying to poison him because he was 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: so awful to them? 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: What a cool question? I don't know, wasn't there at 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: the time. 103 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: I don't know a ton about that guy, But just 104 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: if you want to search for him, it is Qi 105 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: N Space Shi Space Hua n G. 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 4: Team Team Wong. We also know to your question, d 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: We also know that a lot of very very intelligent 108 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: people for their time did things that people in the 109 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 4: modern day might find dangerous and foolish. Right, but we 110 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: have to understand we have the benefit of retrospect now, 111 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: so a lot of those folks might discover something and 112 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: not fully know the physiological implications of interacting with that 113 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: substance or chemical or process. 114 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: Right. 115 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: Marie kri is one of the most famous examples. Her 116 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: groundbreaking work did not render her mad, but it did 117 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 4: expose her to very carcinogenic substances for sure. 118 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: Guys, let's get to the question of somehow this kind 119 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: of thing making people rise to the top. Do we 120 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: think it is potentially a cause and effect thing like that, 121 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: or is it somebody persevering against maybe lead exposure, Like 122 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: the episode a very recent episode of All Things Considered 123 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: from NPR where they discussed Beethoven's hair samples that de 124 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: mentioned in that message, where somebody, some so and so 125 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: out there owned some of Beethoven's hair, you know, as 126 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: you do and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And this person allowed, 127 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, a few strands of that to go out 128 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: to the Mayo Clinic for testing, and they looked at 129 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 2: it and they saw potential lead poisoning there. Of course, 130 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: it's not known whether lead was introduced at some point 131 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: well after Beethoven's death or after at least that sample 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: was collected, but it would maybe give some insight, at 133 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: least according to this episode, into the specialists that were 134 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: interviewed within it that it would gives them insight to 135 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: some of the maladies Beethoven suffered from, you know, including 136 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: some of the things that made him great. 137 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: Right. 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: When you think about Beethoven, I don't know. I always 139 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: think about the stuff that he couldn't hear and yet 140 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: somehow was able to make this incredible music. 141 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 4: Just pure music theory at that point. And yeah, sensing vibrations. 142 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean, And to me, it's thinking about those 143 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: kinds of people who you imagine may kind of have superpowers, right, 144 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: and what if that kind of superpower is only born 145 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: out of the negative effects or negative situation that has 146 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: occurred before it, Right. 147 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: The poison that makes the antidope. Yeah, I mean, it's 148 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 4: a to answer your general question, Matt, and to your question, 149 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: d it seems like we could find cases arguing for 150 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: both sides of that. We could find the heroic struggle 151 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: against medical condition. We could also find a malady that 152 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: in some way may have explained the later notoriety, prominence, 153 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: or success of a human individual throughout history. And that's 154 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: simply a matter of the huge sample size. Because so 155 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: many people have lived and died, we also, I don't 156 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: know this without waxing too philosophical early in this program. 157 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: I've always thought, you guys, tell me think about this. 158 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 4: I've always thought that the ability to become successful, the opportunity, 159 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: the luck, all of that together, it inherently bundles within 160 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: it this idea of envisioning a world in which your 161 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: position or your et cetera are different right than they 162 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: are at that present pre success moment, which technically is 163 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: the nice way to say it is an imagination. The 164 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: meaner way to say it is hallucination. So maybe you 165 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: do kind of have to hallucinate a little bit to 166 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: envision a different world and you having a different place 167 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: in it. 168 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: Well said dude, I'm into it. 169 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: Let's go in jeez, I mean, let's not ingest lead 170 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: nobody jest led mercury is not going to help. 171 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: Or or we could listen to the doctors from I 172 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: don't know, the late eighteen hundreds, although up to about 173 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty, and we could take this stuff called the 174 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: blue Mass that I had never heard of before. 175 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: Is that the stuff that Ben a Jesra drink in 176 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: the Dune movies. 177 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I still haven't seen the second one, but this 178 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 2: is a substance that is like used as a tincture, right, 179 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: or as a some kind of specialty medicine that you 180 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: would take that a doctor would say, Hey, Ben Nol, 181 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 2: I know you're feeling a little down with whatever. Why 182 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: don't you take some of those blue Mass. Well, what's 183 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: in it? 184 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: Guys? 185 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: Licorice, root, rose, water, honey, sugar, and a ton of mercury. 186 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: Mercury or heroine. 187 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: I thought you might end with just orange extract. It 188 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: was like, wait, which one's the bad one? 189 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well so according to a couple of sources I'm 190 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: looking at right here, it was originally prescribed as a 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: cure for syphilis, ye old syphilis. But it was also 192 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: then used as like, you're sick, take some blue mass 193 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: it'll help. Sure, you got a toothache, got stomach worms? 194 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: No problem, Blue masks is here for you. Yeah. Allegedly, 195 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln took quite a bit of blue Mass, but yeah, 196 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: probably not a great thing. But hey, Lincoln did some 197 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: cool stuff. 198 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Juliam Luncheon to go team WOA. That part is 199 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: not proven, but yeah, Lincoln did some cool stuff. Noted 200 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: as an amateur wrestler, and I think he went on 201 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: to have another career as well, but that may be 202 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: lost to history. I'm doing ridiculous history references. 203 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: Awesome, guys. I don't have a ton more on this one. 204 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: I think it's a fascinating topic. 205 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: I don't. 206 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: I think we might might have to expand on it 207 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: a little bit, but just to find some people who 208 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: were going through some kind of exposure to some kind 209 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: of chemical that could have maybe even changed the course 210 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: of history if they had not been exposed to it. 211 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: Oh, I got one. Sigmund Freud and cocaine, I know, 212 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: multiple poets through the Victorian and the Victorian era in particular. 213 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: And opiate laudanum. Yeah exactly. Yeah, and and and Hitler 214 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 3: and the Nazis were quite fond of of amphetamines. Kept 215 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: kept him going to the bitter end, and he was terrible. 216 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: Sorry, hot take. I think it was kind of a 217 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 4: not a good job, not a good dude. 218 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: It's reminding me of our episode on Presidents and Drugs. Yes, 219 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: we talked about all the amphetamines and barbituates and methadone 220 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: and what was it, demarol stuff. The JFK was just 221 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: on all the time for all his various However, he 222 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: needed to be there was a drug for that. 223 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: I feel like. 224 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: That might explain the race to the Moon a little bit, 225 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he gets his injection 226 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: or whatever it is, and then someone catches him at 227 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 4: the right time while he's super out of it and 228 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: he's and he's just like, we'll do it because it's hard. 229 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: Dude. 230 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: They were gamma globulins, Gamma globulins. Come on, if that's 231 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: not like superhero Marvelly kind of stuff. 232 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: What is sounds like you're saying, Gamma goblins. 233 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: Gamma globulins. 234 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 4: I'm on for both of them. 235 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 236 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: Let's hang out with the gamma goblins and uh, let's 237 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: experiment college style with gamma globular Wait. 238 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: Gamma gamma god blob. Yeah, it's fun to say. All right, well, hey, 239 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: that's it for now. D Thank you so much for 240 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: sending us that message. If you want to call in, 241 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: our number is one eight three three st d w 242 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: y t K. You'll hear how to do it at 243 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: the end, but you can just call the number now 244 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: if you want. But for right now, while you're calling, 245 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: I guess we're going to move on to a message 246 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: from our sponsors. Then some more messages from you, and. 247 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: We've returned with the message another message in fact from you, Yes, you, 248 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: the public, the conspiracy public, conspiracy realists out there. Today 249 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: we've got a message from the very cryptically named seven. Uh. Okay, 250 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: this is a really cool topic, guys, one that I 251 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: was not familiar with, and I've done a little bit 252 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: of a cursory research, but I think this may well 253 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: be an interesting topic to go a little deeper on 254 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: down the line. And it also pertains to what we 255 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: were just talking about, Matt in terms of like the 256 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: effects that toxic substances can have unexpectedly. Perhaps here we 257 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: go from seven. Hey, guys, I love the show. I 258 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: just fell down a rabbit hole that I can't believe 259 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: you guys haven't covered, or at least if you have, 260 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: I haven't seen or heard about it. Don't think we have. 261 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: So we all know about how militaries around the world 262 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: have access to night vision goggles, night observation devices, and 263 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: other similar technologies, But have you ever heard of die cyanin, 264 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: a chemical that was at one point tested and even 265 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: used for producing lenses that would be used in night 266 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: observation devices. Die Sianin apparently allows users to see things 267 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,119 Speaker 3: that were not really there, potentially seeing into other realms 268 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: of existence. Internet investigators and quote fingers there of the 269 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: subject claim Die sian In production is now illegal in 270 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: the United States and purer die Sion and die is 271 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: impossible to get a hold of due to the government 272 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: wanting to hide the powers that users get from utilizing 273 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: die sign and treated lenses. I found a few claims 274 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: of testing during the Vietnam War and soldiers reported seeing demons. 275 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: No official news on it, as it was easily accessible 276 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: enough for me to find. However, I found this to 277 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: be an exciting and interesting rabbit hole to fall down 278 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: and consume, and I'm sure many fans of the show 279 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: would enjoy it as well. It fits in well with 280 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: themes of hauntings and war zones, as I was previously 281 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: reading about paranormal activity reported by US service members in Iraq, Afghanistan, 282 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: and even Syria for delving into the die sign In situation. 283 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: Abu Grab Prison in Iraq is reportedly extremely haunted, and 284 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: US service members in Afghanistan I have reportedly heard old 285 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: Soviet radio transmissions as well as seen apparitions. Syria even 286 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: had a report of a gin being sighted near the 287 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: Turkish border. Thanks for your time, and I hope you 288 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: find this email interesting respectfully, seven. 289 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: Oh buddy, written out seven or number seven, number seven. 290 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: That's why we ask. That's all I remember. Yeah, this 291 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: is uh, this is a doozy. I don't want to 292 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 4: plot twist this too soon. But Noel, what do you think? 293 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 4: What's your initial reaction? 294 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: Well? I had to do a little digging, you know, 295 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: just to kind of wrap a head around what this 296 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: even was or is. And it seems as though die 297 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: Sign and coated lenses were at one point kind of 298 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: sold as like a novelty device, kind of almost like spyglasses, 299 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: you know, with the little mirrors on the side. And 300 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: I actually found a couple of listings for these vintage 301 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: uh they're called Aura goggles, and I've got two of 302 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: what looked like the same exact product. One on eBay 303 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: official die Sign and our glass is weird rare hunting 304 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: ghost Wicca psychic, and then another one that says I 305 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 3: Sign and Oura Goggles hunting ghost Reiki Crystal paranormal psychic. 306 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: One of them is eighty nine to ninety nine, so 307 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: the other is four thousand, ninety nine dollars. The second one, Yeah, yeah, 308 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: it says see it says die sign in our glass, 309 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: Di sign in. First of all, the trademark Aura glasses 310 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: trademark see Auras instantly works as described. I can even 311 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: see ghosts with them. Amazing glasses by Reiki. Students love them, 312 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: help full seller, saw my aura instantly in the mirror. 313 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: Thank you, fast delivery. Awesome product and they work just like. 314 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 4: Okay, not to yuck anyone's young before we get into it, 315 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: but would it not be cheaper just to take some shrooms? 316 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: Well, hey guys, you get book savings here. If you 317 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: buy it just one, it's only it's forty nine to 318 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 3: ninety nine even, But if you buy two, it's forty 319 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 3: four ninety nine and ten cents. So last bit, SI 320 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: pass on the savings, No I digest. But it's pretty funny. 321 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: This is not actually a vintage thing. This is clearly 322 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: a grift, you know. And that's the thing about stuff 323 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: like reports of aura, of being able to see auras. 324 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 3: You know, we do have some folks that do it 325 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: very good naturedly. Of course you have. There's actually a 326 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: pretty cool local person here in Atlanta who does aura photography, 327 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: which is really cool and I'm not really up on 328 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: the technology or how that works exactly, but it does 329 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: seem to whatever type of photographic techniques are used create 330 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: a varying colors depending on the person and the idea 331 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: of an area. Of course, is this internal energy. I 332 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: guess that expresses itself in color. And the thing that's 333 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: interesting about Diecian then is my understanding that what it 334 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: does is it kind of allows allows you to see 335 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: more colors. Because the typical human eye has three cones, 336 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: and the cones or what allow us to see color, 337 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: one of them that a lot of people don't have 338 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: is the one that allows you to see red, and 339 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: if you don't have that, it leads to color blindness. 340 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: And I, Ben, I believe that's that's what you have, right, 341 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: So you if you would be lacking that that red. 342 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 4: Cone, just winged it traffic lights. It's surprising so few 343 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 4: people have died. 344 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: Well, I trust you, Ben, I know that you've got 345 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: it down pat at this point. But here's the thing 346 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: that's interesting. The typical human being has three different types 347 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: of cones that divide up visual color. This is from 348 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: a health Line article Information into red green and blue signals. 349 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: These signals can be combined in the brain in a 350 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: total visual message. There are, however, folks that have an 351 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: extra type of cone that allows them to see a 352 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: fourth dimensionality of color. This results from a genetic mutation, 353 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: and these individuals are called tetra chromats. And guess who 354 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: are more likely to be tetrachromats, guys. 355 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: Female identifying. 356 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: That is absolutely true. Okay, sorry, then scooped you man, Yes, 357 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: female identifying individuals with containing two X chromosomes, because that 358 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: is a genetic condition that tends to make that mutation 359 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: more likely. 360 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 4: Oh right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interject here. We 361 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 4: shouldn't say female identifying, just people with two X. 362 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: Chromat people two X chromosomes expression. It is about the expression, yeah, specifically, 363 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: and oftentimes individuals with those two X chromosomes, they tend 364 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: to be identified as more likely to have psychic powers 365 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: or the ability to see beyond the veil, you know, witches. 366 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: That's exactly what. 367 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: We also talk about. Tetrachromats in depth in our previous episodes. 368 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: Are real life superpowers. 369 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: Exactly right, that's a real thing. Well, and that's the thing, guys. 370 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: There are ways of like, I think there are a 371 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 3: couple of tests that you can do to quote unquote 372 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: try to see your aura or the aura of others. 373 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: And there's two very distinctly different ones. One is like 374 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: holding your hand up in front of a white background, 375 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 3: and one involves holding your hand up in front of 376 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: a black background. And the supporters of each of these 377 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: tests claim theirs is the best. But it's sort of 378 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: about looking past your hand and into the kind of 379 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: middle distance, almost like you're trying to solve one of 380 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: those magic eye pieces that I've never been very successful 381 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 3: at doing, so I kind of have a have a 382 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 3: feeling that I would not see auras either. But you know, 383 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: we also know that if you squint your eyes real hard, 384 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: you start to see crazy colors, and if you focus 385 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: on things long enough, you get eye fatigue that starts to, 386 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, make things get a little psychedelic looking. So 387 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: the question then becomes, is this a real energy that 388 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: is being perceived by those you know who maybe are 389 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 3: blessed with this with this additional cone or not, Because 390 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: there certainly are people that can claim to see auras, 391 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: claim to be able to see into other realms without 392 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: the benefit of these these aura goggles or this you 393 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: know di cyanin coded lenses. 394 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, he well, yeah, I mean the first part of 395 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: your question there is U. I think pretty pretty on point. 396 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 4: Human beings, all living things, do emit various sorts of energy. 397 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 4: Some of that energy could be heat, right, and animals 398 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: whose vision ranges into the infrared would be able to 399 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: perceive that. However, humans in the grand scheme of things 400 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: have a fairly limited spectrum of vision. Also, the idea 401 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 4: of documenting it, we've got to say it before the 402 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 4: emails get to us. Conspiracydiheartradio dot com. Curelean photography is 403 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 4: considered one of the old school proofs of auras or 404 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 4: energy emanated. And I think also, isn't there the thing 405 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: where all human beings their skin is actually sort of 406 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 4: zebra like and they do they do glow in the 407 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 4: dark just a little bit. I can't remember. I'll have 408 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: to find it. Well. 409 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: I do want to shout out a podcast that I 410 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: just discovered called Planet Weird, or maybe that's the network 411 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: and the pod. Yeah, the podcast is called Haunted Objects 412 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 3: Podcasts on the Planet Weird network and they actually are 413 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: on YouTube and the host, one of whom identifies as 414 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: a which talk extensively about this stuff, and I really 415 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: learned a lot from listening to their conversation. And they 416 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: reference the something that came up for us very recently too, 417 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: the John Carpenter film They Live, where when the person 418 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: puts on the glasses, he all of a sudden sees 419 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: through the veil of what's being you know, like the 420 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: wool being pulled over our eyes or whatever, and sees 421 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: the truth behind it all this like species of whatever, 422 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: like zombie alien stand in for you know, bad invaders, overlords, 423 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: corporate monsters are actually who are running the show. And 424 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: also you know, things like money, all those like catchphrases 425 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 3: like what is it we own you or something like that. 426 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 3: I actually that's right, obay of course. And Shepherd Fairy 427 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: the artist took a lot of that imagery and ran 428 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: with a lot of his work. 429 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: Money is so hot, right. 430 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, money is how I like money. I watched Idiocracy 431 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: the other night, does not hold up? Did not age? 432 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 4: Well, you didn't like it? 433 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: I like parts of it. But they say the F word, 434 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: not the fun one, the not so fun one a 435 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: lot in that movie. And I found it a little 436 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: little cringey that there are things about it that are funny, 437 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: but overall it is a pretty stupid movie, which is 438 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: sort of the point. And by and by the F word, 439 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: I'm referring to the one that is a disparaging term 440 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: for for the queer community. And I don't think they 441 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: meant any harm. It's it's it's it's meant as a satire. 442 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: It's it's meant to be depicting stupid people who are thoughtless. 443 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: But when you see it thrown around like that a 444 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: bunch and I'm also watching it with my kid, who 445 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: is you know it identifies as as queer. Uh, it 446 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: kind of rubbed me the wrong way a little bit, 447 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: But anyway, that's neither here nor there. This is not 448 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: a soapbox time for Noel Brown. 449 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 4: We do have an answer for you seven and we 450 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: can trace a little bit of this so uh the 451 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 4: die signing concept, the idea that exposure of human optic 452 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 4: capabilities could increase the amount of the spectrum a human 453 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 4: can see. It's actually it's pretty ancient. It got pop 454 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: or pretty old. It got popular I think due to 455 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 4: TikTok conspiracies fairly recently. And the idea of the cover 456 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 4: up is amazing and does sound worth looking into because 457 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: Uncle Sam gets up to all kinds of creepy. The 458 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 4: answer is it dates back, in my opinion, to nineteen twelve. 459 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't want to add maybe before you 460 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 3: give us the juice. It's not illegal to own or 461 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: to possess. I do think it's not manufactured because it's 462 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: really toxic. It was used as a fabric dye and 463 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 3: industrial processes. But I was looking on some Reddit threads 464 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: discussing this very thing, and some very helpful chemists went 465 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: on there and told you how you can make a 466 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: batch up yourself if. 467 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 4: You want to, because it's like coal tar, right is. 468 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 3: That's why we're going it's certainly not scheduled or something 469 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: or some somehow illegal to manufacture in your own personal home. 470 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 3: It's just no longer made because it was, you know, 471 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: pretty pretty deadly, much like mercury is no longer used 472 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 3: in curing. You know the felt for hats. 473 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's just from the name it sounds deathly. Familion. 474 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 3: But ben, what happened in nineteen twelve? 475 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so back in nineteen twelve, there's this guy 476 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 4: named Walter John Kilner k I L n e R. 477 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 4: And he is in London. He was in charge of 478 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: electro therapy at Saint Thomas Hospital and he was super 479 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: into auras. He published one of the first Western medical 480 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 4: studies of what he called He called it, I think 481 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: the human atmosphere, and he said that if he treated 482 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: His argument was that if he treated certain interfaces or 483 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 4: like kilner screens, with this substance in particular, then you 484 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: would be able to perceive radiation outside the normal spectrum 485 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: of light that's visible to humans. And he got a 486 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 4: lot of attention for it until wait, he published the 487 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: study in like nineteen eleven. In nineteen twelve, the British 488 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 4: Medical Journal comes out and they say, this absolutely doesn't work. 489 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: We can't prove this is an oric force. And maybe 490 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: the reason he also to your point noal he said, 491 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 4: he said, look, we can't look at these screens too 492 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: long because it will hurt our eyes. But if we 493 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 4: look at them after a regular pattern of viewing, if 494 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 4: we get our ocular reps in, then we don't need 495 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 4: our screens at all. We've been exposed to this die 496 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: so hard or these substances that we can perceive what 497 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: he called the N rays. N rays come from another 498 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: French scientist like the letter in for Moto or North 499 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 4: in rays. 500 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: Guy, I thought in my head it was like aura 501 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: is the outrays and then that's way. 502 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: Cooler, that's way cooler. 503 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: Good. 504 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: But it looks like what it looks like what happened, 505 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 4: And you can read the British medical journals approach on 506 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 4: this or their conclusions. It looks like Kilner was not 507 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: able to convince people that his methods were real or 508 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: that you could see auras. And it's tough because there's 509 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 4: not There wasn't at that point a way to really 510 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 4: measure it. We also know that's a heck of a 511 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: campfire story for sure. 512 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 3: But if the. 513 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: US government had any kind of perceivable edge in that 514 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: any government had a perceivable edge in that kind of pursuit, 515 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 4: they would have done it. You know what I mean. 516 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: Nuclear weapons can end the world, and we still a 517 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 4: ton of those, so why wouldn't they mess with some 518 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 4: contacts that could save you some money on night goggles? 519 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: So dope, just put that right in your eyes. 520 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: Just finally, you know what I mean. 521 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: Just stick it right in my neck while okay, just 522 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: put it right in there. 523 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: And this is not again. We never want to be 524 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: the people who come in with this, like wrecking the 525 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 4: fun of a good story. But to the point you 526 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: made earlier in this conversation, die siding is dangerous for people. 527 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: So it's important to know that if you genuinely seek 528 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: night vision at this point, you're probably better off just 529 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 4: buying the goggles. 530 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, only only five grand or eight email listing Actually 531 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: night vision goggles okay? Sorry? Sorry? 532 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: Which are in the hundreds and thousands, absolutely good will? 533 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 4: Does TIMO have them? Does tim have no? Oh? 534 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: I hope so. I'm sure they probably are made with 535 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: the cyanide stuff, though I didn't want to add the 536 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 3: ben You mentioned certain animals seeing was it infrared? 537 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 4: Yes? 538 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: I believe there are also like butterflies have something like 539 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: six cones and they can see. They can perceive a 540 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: world of color that is unknown to any of us. 541 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: And I do love this idea, and it really is 542 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: a good thing to always kind of ground yourself to 543 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: not be skeptical of people perceiving things that we can't perceive, 544 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 3: because we know that that's very real. You don't have 545 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: the equipment for this stuff, And it really does make 546 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: me continue to kind of believe that there is something 547 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 3: out there that we can't fully wrap our heads around. 548 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 3: And I am always annoyed when people when people are 549 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: like I can't see it, therefore it's not real. 550 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 4: I find that to be a realism. 551 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's just to cop out and it 552 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: is just it's kind of what's the word just arbitrary 553 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 3: kind of I don't know, negativity. It's just nagging. It's 554 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: yucking the yum and trying to act like you're It's 555 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: a very egocentric view of the world and I think 556 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: that's maybe the best way to put it. 557 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 4: Also, animals can see an ultraviolet right. Look, humans are 558 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 4: behind It is a vision game. 559 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: Have you seen that? Predator? 560 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 5: Guys? 561 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean, holy cow, guys. I have a way for 562 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: us to get ahead on this game and a challenge 563 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: that I think we can we can make happen. They 564 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: sell on this Amazon site that I just found for the. 565 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: First the same as Timu. 566 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: I think so or wish. Maybe it has diffraction glasses 567 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: like prism glasses that you can buy for fifteen dollars 568 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: or sixteen dollars excuse me if you have prime Also 569 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: two day returns of whatever it says on here. It's 570 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: a weird website. It's got all kinds of information. 571 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 3: This episode brought to you by Let's. 572 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: All all get a pair of those Alexis. You're included 573 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: on this. Let's all get a pair of those and 574 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 2: then just wear them out somewhere socially publicly and see 575 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: if we can function while all the light we encounter 576 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 2: is diffracted as though we are on some kind of substance. 577 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: Those are called rainbow goggles, and I'll be there with you, 578 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: but I'll be wearing my gooner goggles aka the Apple 579 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 3: Vision pro Nice. Surely there's a diffraction setting on that thing, 580 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 3: right for however, many thousands of dollars that costs? Well? Hey, 581 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: thanks number seven seven, the number seven written out as 582 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 3: a numerical form. We appreciate that one. That was. That 583 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: was That was some cool food for thought. Let's take 584 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: a quick break. We'll come back. We'll have one more 585 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 3: piece of listener, ma'am, we've returned, skirt. 586 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 4: Skirt can take it a record, scratch, doc terfect, thank you. 587 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 4: We've got a couple of pieces of correspondence. We've got 588 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 4: one from the Maiden Fair, which goes into bacteria phages 589 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 4: but talks about something else at the beginning. So let's 590 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: go to that. Let's go to that now. Oh and 591 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 4: we're working live. Got a correction. I can't remember which 592 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: show this is odd or we'll call it correction. Helping 593 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 4: hand from our pal small Box Games. The stubby tailed cats, 594 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 4: the ones they're born without tails. They are the Manx cats. 595 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 4: So thank you small Box Games. Just got to us 596 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: on that one. And now we go to the Maiden Fair. 597 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 4: The Maiden Fair says, hey, guys, it's the Maiden Fair. 598 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: You can use my name if you'd like, if you 599 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 4: did want to share this. It's very relevant to your 600 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 4: recent show on porn Hub, which, by the way, Maiden Fair, 601 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 4: I think was very difficult for all of us. Very dark, 602 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 4: dark subject. So Maiden Fair says, I live in Texas. 603 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 4: I just listened to your episode on primarily Pornhub and 604 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 4: Adult Entertainment. 605 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: And wait, she listens to us on Pornhub. 606 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's a gig economy, okay, So she says, 607 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 4: I was waiting for you all to talk about the 608 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 4: new self imposed band porn Hub has inflicted upon its 609 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 4: users in Texas. I don't know if you were aware 610 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 4: of this. She basically says, I will attach screenshots I 611 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 4: took from what I could see when I try to 612 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 4: go to the site from my phone without a VPN. There, 613 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 4: the Maiden Fair concludes, And just to give some context here, 614 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 4: Maiden Fair, in that episode, we had to explore some 615 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 4: very troubling things. I think we published that on the seventeenth, 616 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 4: and maybe the porn Hub Texas band came into effect 617 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 4: on the fifteenth of May, a couple of days before. 618 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 4: But have you guys heard about this one? 619 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: Oh? 620 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just a piece of like random news. 621 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 2: I guess when we were researching that episode. Well, it's weird. 622 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: I think Maiden Fair is talking about a VPN, Like, 623 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: if we put our like, used a VPN from here 624 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: and selected Texas, could we still access. 625 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 4: Pornite right, you're you're a spot on dude. Yeah. Porn 626 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 4: Ub is also blocked in Arkansas, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Virginia, 627 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 4: and Utah. 628 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 3: I didn't know that individual states could block websites. 629 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 4: No, No, it's the private company blocking access to. 630 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: It because of the laws being to so stringent there 631 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 3: that they're afraid of correct, OK, got it? 632 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, the requirement, at least in the case of Texas, 633 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 4: it's a bill called HB eleven eighty one requiring adult 634 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 4: sites to verify that visitors are of age. 635 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's very telling, isn't it of 636 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 3: porn hubbs policies that they would just say, you know what, 637 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 3: better safe than sorry, let's just pull the whole thing. 638 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: Just turn it off right there? 639 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah. 640 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: And porn Hub's argument there is interesting because they're saying 641 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 4: this type of legislation will only drive people to less 642 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 4: scrupulous sites, which quote put minors in your privacy at risk. Yeah, 643 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 4: but it's a for profit company saying that. 644 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And as we said, it's one of the biggest, 645 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: if not the biggest, distributor of lapron. 646 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 4: Lapro and okay, old school, old school internet language. I 647 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 4: love it. We're so lat right now. But you make 648 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 4: an excellent point there, Matt, because porn hub is, of 649 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 4: course one facet of a much larger company. And we 650 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 4: go into detail on called a low which was formerly 651 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 4: called mind Geek, And this is something that I think 652 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 4: more people should be aware of. We talked in our 653 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 4: previous Strange News earlier this week about VPNs in general, 654 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: it is good to have a VPN. You don't need 655 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: to rationalize it by saying you're looking at untoward things, 656 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 4: unclean things. It's just a way to protect yourself against 657 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 4: the growing erosion of privacy. But also I don't it 658 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 4: might being a jerk. I would question some of their 659 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 4: motives in this. 660 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 3: In this, Oh, you think porn hubs motives in the 661 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: question dear No, Yeah, definitely, by the way I mean 662 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: the VPN thing. One thing I think people forget is 663 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 3: like there are all kinds of hacking scams out in 664 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 3: public Internet that are disguised as other things. If you 665 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 3: log into that without a VPN, you are exposed. But 666 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 3: if you do it through a VPN, you got that 667 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 3: extra layer of protection. So there are many completely legitimate 668 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 3: reasons for using a VPN. 669 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 4: Well SA. So this leads us to another conversation and 670 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 4: something that this show and Civilization, I think more importantly 671 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 4: is wrestling with in the human world, which is the 672 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 4: idea of anonymity or perceptions thereof in the online landscape. 673 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 4: Right Whenever, whenever there is a move against privacy, it's 674 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 4: often going to be packaged and presented as protecting the innocent, right, 675 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 4: protecting the children. You need to have your government ID 676 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 4: on record to use the internet, because if you don't 677 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 4: the terrorist win stuff like that? 678 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: But sure, it just stinks that I can see the 679 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 2: argument for it. 680 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see the argument too. 681 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 4: I'm just saying I can also see how it is convenient, crooked, 682 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 4: and easily weaponized. 683 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: I'm right there with you too. 684 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 5: I Uh. 685 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 2: It just thinks that we can't have it both ways. 686 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 2: I can't stop the really truly evil stuff that's happening 687 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 2: unless you have something like that. But then the rest 688 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: of us are. I don't know, I don't like it. 689 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 4: What if people were just less crappy? 690 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 2: Hey, you think we could make that happen? 691 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. 692 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 3: I think that ship might have sailed. 693 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 2: Ben Right, you need to get the lead out of 694 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 2: our water sources. 695 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 3: Remember that's Oh my god, you just gave me a flashback. 696 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 3: On my local classic rock radio stations may have been common. 697 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 3: They always had a block of led Zeppelin music called 698 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 3: get the lead out. Nice. 699 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 4: Oh well, what if we just, you know, as corporate 700 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 4: America says, and obviously corporate America never makes mistakes, what 701 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 4: if we just lean into it. What if we get 702 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 4: the lead back in the pipes? What if we get 703 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 4: the mercury back in the. 704 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: Hats and the microplastics out of our balls. 705 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 3: It's just man, maybe it'll give us superpowers, you know. 706 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 4: I mean, if pissing plastic is a superpower, so is that. 707 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 2: Going to be a new search term on port hub microplast. 708 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boy, these are too deep. 709 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 4: We have we do have one more piece of one 710 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 4: more piece of corespond and it's here. Just as you know, folks, 711 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 4: we like to end the show with the letters from home. 712 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 4: And there's something that's very important to all of us, 713 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 4: both making the show and more importantly, all of us 714 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 4: listening along at home wherever in the wide world we 715 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 4: may be. This comes to us from uninformed Burrito, who says, hey, guys, 716 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 4: just listen to strange news earlier. Is it possible that 717 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 4: the burrito taco ruling you mentioned was made for tax purposes? 718 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 4: I live in northwestern Ontario and our province has rules 719 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 4: about what taxes places can apply based on if the 720 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 4: item can be considered a meal or just a snack 721 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 4: and ding dean burrito, you are correct. 722 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right. That's exactly It was a designation 723 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 3: of like fast food versus like a sit down thing. 724 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: It was about zoning. It was something I read that. 725 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 4: And that's exactly that's in the article. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 726 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 4: there's also there's also a cool thing here, Like usually 727 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 4: when we hear those fun, viral late night news fodder stories, 728 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 4: usually there is some real, often financially motivated reason behind it. 729 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 3: Right. 730 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 4: That's why certain products have weird qualifications as foods in 731 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 4: the United States. It goes back to how they're taxed. 732 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 4: So kudos to Burrito. I would say you are not 733 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 4: uninformed different, you are a very informed Burrito. You also 734 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 4: hipped us to something called the food cube rule. Have 735 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 4: you guys heard of this? 736 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 3: Have you seen this? It's the food cube like the 737 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 3: new food pyramid. 738 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now. 739 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 4: I don't know about this, so I'll share a picture. 740 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: First thing I'm seeing. I just had sushi the other day. 741 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: Their depiction of sushi is right and wrong. It's right 742 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: and wrong because you can get sushi with the toast 743 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 2: situation too, where the rice is just on the bottom. 744 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 3: Right. 745 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a heuristic, right, So it's not it's 746 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 4: not in depth, correct, but it's the food cube rule 747 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 4: or the cube rule of food is premised on the 748 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 4: idea that one can identify dishes based on the location 749 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 4: of the starch. And you make an excellent point, Matt. 750 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 4: Not all sushi is cubed up, right, Sashimi, I like 751 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 4: a hand roll, hand you love a hand roll. 752 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 3: I love a handrel. 753 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 4: And the calzona corse, there are six in the cube 754 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 4: rule of food. There's one toast or an open face 755 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 4: sandwich as someone call it a pizza. Yeah, a pizza. 756 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 3: Well, see, that's the thing. One one could argue that 757 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 3: a hot dog is an open faced sandwich. 758 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 4: One could one could, especially depending on like when I 759 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 4: was living in Central America, there are often hot dogs 760 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 4: are often served like on a. 761 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 3: Pa or a. 762 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 4: Taco. Then is number three, well, number two sandwich stars 763 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 4: on bottom and top, taco starch is on the bottom, 764 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 4: and then the two vertical sides sushi cube. That's a 765 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 4: as we said, it's heuristic. It's not entirely accurate. But yes, exactly, 766 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 4: oh yes, thank you. 767 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 3: Yes. But is it a hypercube? 768 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 4: That is the question. The calzone also could have further 769 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 4: cubes of food within it. The mystery continues, and we're 770 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 4: glad you're here for it, folks. We want to hear 771 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 4: your in depth. Beat me here, doc, you're in a 772 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 4: depth opinion on sandwiches and foodstuffs in general. We're big 773 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 4: fans of food. Hope that's not a hot take. Thanks 774 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 4: to d Thanks and seven is. 775 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 3: A salad with croutons a sandwich. Sorry, my head's all mess. 776 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 4: It depends on the size as cube. It's one big creuton. 777 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 4: I would eat a creuton bowl salad. 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