Speaker 1: Hey everyone, It's Devin.
Speaker 2: Simone and I am Davon Rogers and this is MTV's
Speaker 2: official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: We are talking Reunion episode Part two.
Speaker 1: So much.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm still just in shock in this moment Davon
Speaker 3: about how fast Emanuel sucked down that tuna and oh, smooth,
Speaker 3: my gosh, I don't even understand how that's Like I
Speaker 3: want to call him right now, like I don't understand,
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand, there's no like what on And
Speaker 3: it was through a straw, and you can only go
Speaker 3: so fast through a straw.
Speaker 4: Some of the people were still at the top. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he was done.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, well, you're you're not making
Speaker 2: your case city better for your next season.
Speaker 1: Is that what happens when you make it out with
Speaker 1: a lot of people? You know what? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but wow, well.
Speaker 3: It did because that was impressed, like that he needs
Speaker 3: to do some world record competition or something for that,
Speaker 3: because that was skilled. Not to mention it was disgusting,
Speaker 3: and yet he still did it that fast, like shout
Speaker 3: out to you, yes, e man. Well, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: so much. In this reunion we're going to get into
Speaker 3: most of it with our very very very special guests.
Speaker 5: Woo.
Speaker 3: We are so excited to have her here. But before
Speaker 3: we get into that day, yes, why don't we do it?
Speaker 1: Gold Stars and Time Out A Part two of the Reunion.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Okay? So I want to start with the timeouts?
Speaker 5: Okay? Oh?
Speaker 1: Are you going to do multiples again? Are you? Are you?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be me if I was. I have to write.
Speaker 1: Girl and rules. It's like they're allergic to one another. Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: we're listening so funny enough.
Speaker 4: Actually, I only have one time out for this one.
Speaker 2: I'll look at you, and my timeout is going to
Speaker 2: go to Colleen, and I'm gonna pay with the Colleen
Speaker 2: for her interaction with Nourise when they were talking about
Speaker 2: who betrayed Jay so on and so forth? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you hear her when she said, Nourise, you weren't
Speaker 2: working against Jay, but you also weren't.
Speaker 1: Working for Jay. You weren't playing a game. You weren't
Speaker 1: playing a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, So you're you're gonna sit on the stage
Speaker 2: and say that you played your game for him?
Speaker 4: That's a red building, Like what are we doing? And
Speaker 4: so I really didn't like that. I didn't like that,
Speaker 4: a's all.
Speaker 2: And then the whole fire that got lit under her
Speaker 2: for allegedly using Berna throughout the season.
Speaker 4: I don't really like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, how'd you feel like that?
Speaker 1: That's fair?
Speaker 3: And by the way, not Berna being petty enough to
Speaker 3: like zoom in from Germany or Turkey or wherever, just
Speaker 3: just to say I don't like Colleen my timeouts you
Speaker 3: already know besides going to you and our group chat.
Speaker 3: So you guys don't know this, but Dayan and I
Speaker 3: were like going back and forth in our little text
Speaker 3: chain while you were watching because it got us both hot.
Speaker 3: The people who get my actual timeouts are a Calum
Speaker 3: and Jay because I didn't. I just didn't like the
Speaker 3: handling of it, and I didn't like the gas lighting.
Speaker 3: And look, iman, well, if we're gonna talk about everybody
Speaker 3: who's guilty and flirting whatever, there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: people on that stage, but win present at the very least,
Speaker 3: even if you don't have the decency to own up
Speaker 3: to it. If someone's like, hey did you do this?
Speaker 3: I saw you do this, or like hey, this wasn't
Speaker 3: great and you still have the balls to like try
Speaker 3: and deny it or lie about it for quite some
Speaker 3: time before finally like admitting or taking ownership. That just
Speaker 3: irks me to my core. I feel like Callum particular
Speaker 3: needs a change of direction, a change of outfit also,
Speaker 3: but just like a change of direction.
Speaker 1: In his approach here not cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think anyone who chooses to stay
Speaker 3: with either of those gentlemen at this point, they know
Speaker 3: what they're getting into, so like it's on them, but.
Speaker 1: It's just trash behavior.
Speaker 3: We don't settle for friends people who don't at the
Speaker 3: very least just own up to We all make mistakes
Speaker 3: like fine, but at least like own up to it.
Speaker 3: And so that was working My last nerve. Now, if
Speaker 3: we are going to go to gold Star, there are
Speaker 3: a couple contenders. One I'd say that is surprisingly an
Speaker 3: honorable mention was James.
Speaker 1: James.
Speaker 3: I feel like we got to see a little bit
Speaker 3: of a funny side. I also said last week. I
Speaker 3: liked he looked great in that suit, like it was
Speaker 3: fitting him well. But I like that he because we
Speaker 3: saw kind of an arrogant James all season. I liked
Speaker 3: that he had a little self deprecating humor in this
Speaker 3: episode right, like he was kind of like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I was a little beac you like cool? Like that
Speaker 3: means you don't take yourself too seriously, like you know,
Speaker 3: ultimately it's fun. We all do dumb things, so like
Speaker 3: I really respected that. Also again Laurel holding people's feet
Speaker 3: to the fire, like I very much appreciated that. And
Speaker 3: then Nourise, Nourice just handled all the attacks, all the
Speaker 3: things with such grace and that couldn't be easy to do.
Speaker 3: So I have to give her my gold star. What
Speaker 3: about you, Dan?
Speaker 4: I definitely agree on Nourice. I think in.
Speaker 2: The situation that she was put in and having her
Speaker 2: friends air quotes up there and knowing what they did
Speaker 2: to her this season and how she had navigate that
Speaker 2: and then to have to see them and be here
Speaker 2: and you live it, and it's just like and do
Speaker 2: it without her? Man dare to hold her hand because
Speaker 2: when you really think about it, all she really had
Speaker 2: on that stage was raven from what we saw all
Speaker 2: to comfort, which is just.
Speaker 3: So easy to see how change life jus at you fast,
Speaker 3: because you know a season ago they were opposite yelling
Speaker 3: at each other, and here you have that's like the
Speaker 3: one person truly in your corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild, But ultimately, I'm going to give my
Speaker 2: gold stars Starna, break it out gonna be, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give it to the trio.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to the trio. I thought I
Speaker 4: was gonna say Callum.
Speaker 1: I was worried for a moment.
Speaker 3: I was like, she's just gonna try and irk my
Speaker 3: last nerve and she's gonna get it to Calum.
Speaker 1: I know it, but no, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna give it to him because he started crying.
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to give my gold Star to the
Speaker 2: trio of Corey, Melissa and Big T. And the reason
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it to them is because we
Speaker 2: got an opportunity to see from whatever the edit was,
Speaker 2: but firsthand, we got a chance to see like literal
Speaker 2: growth on stage. You get what I'm saying, Like it's
Speaker 2: starting awful. You'll you'll, you'll arguing and going back and forth,
Speaker 2: and then by the end of it it was, well,
Speaker 2: you had me blocked, so I couldn't unblock you, and
Speaker 2: well I didn't mean to do that to you, and
Speaker 2: I hope you can you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 2: I forgive you.
Speaker 1: It was earth like, it was just yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was so good to see. So I'm gonna give my
Speaker 2: star to those three.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's what we like to see. And can
Speaker 3: we just say too for for people who want to
Speaker 3: DM me the other day being like how can I
Speaker 3: get on the challenge? My goal is to be on
Speaker 3: the show and TV if you make it on the show.
Speaker 3: And for those who are already on the show, this
Speaker 3: also this goes for challengers, It also goes for people
Speaker 3: in Real Housewives, namely Potomac in Atlanta, but anyway in
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City. But being able, you're not gonna get
Speaker 3: along with everyone, right, They're gonna be knockout, drag out
Speaker 3: feuds and moments, but recognizing that, like, it's more entertaining
Speaker 3: if you can find a common ground at a certain
Speaker 3: point and move forward than holding it for twelve seasons
Speaker 3: or twelve years or I mean even think about like
Speaker 3: Bananas and ct now and where they are and we
Speaker 3: didn't really get to see them play much together in
Speaker 3: Traders because of Dan, but in general, like seeing where
Speaker 3: they are that's fun, Like that growth, that dynamic is
Speaker 3: like cool. And so to your point, watching Corey Melissa
Speaker 3: and Big Tea. They were still very much at odds
Speaker 3: and they probably still i'm sure, have their challenges, but
Speaker 3: to see them kind of be playful about it by
Speaker 3: the end was really nice.
Speaker 1: It was good to see me and yeah.
Speaker 4: Stuck the big toe in the water. That's it.
Speaker 1: They did. They did.
Speaker 3: They stuck their big toe in the water, and we
Speaker 3: are going to stick our big toe, our ankles, knees,
Speaker 3: elbows all up.
Speaker 1: In the water. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It is a weird transition, all up in the water
Speaker 3: with our special guest. Now, she has been called the goats,
Speaker 3: and I would say I'd have to agree. I've seen
Speaker 3: her in action. I have climbed a volcano with her.
Speaker 3: Granted she was probably about three hours ahead of me,
Speaker 3: but it's fine. We were on the volcano together and
Speaker 3: we are excited to get her to weigh in on
Speaker 3: part two of three, and we are talking about none
Speaker 3: other than our girl Laurel. So do some exercises. I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe drink a beat in tuna.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: You'll grow up while listening to this podcast. It's just
Speaker 3: why TJ maah. Do whatever you need to do, but
Speaker 3: don't go anywhere because right after this, we have Laurel on.
Speaker 1: A podcast, whoop.
Speaker 3: All right, Challenge fam in the building. We have an icon.
Speaker 3: We have someone that Tory and Kara both agreed.
Speaker 1: And y'all know they don't agree on anything.
Speaker 3: Is the goat when it comes to female challengers. She's
Speaker 3: done seven Challenge seasons. She is a Challenge Champion. She
Speaker 3: is Louie the Dog's mama. She's a veterinarian, my friend.
Speaker 1: Please give it up for Laurel. Woo hi, doctor Laurel.
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 1: We can now?
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I just I'm not good with this technical shit.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Devin.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 3: We can I just first say part one of the
Speaker 3: reunion and also part two. Yeah, you had Day and
Speaker 3: I both cracking the heck up. You were freaking hilarious,
Speaker 3: like I can't even so funny and just your liners
Speaker 3: and coming at it like that reunion needed you.
Speaker 1: So glad that you were there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, you know those are
Speaker 5: fun to film. This one was an ansterdam can't complain.
Speaker 5: We just had like such a blast outside of those
Speaker 5: filming days, which are really long and really arduous, and
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody that hasn't been on the show
Speaker 5: will ever understand the amount of time and energy put
Speaker 5: into those days and then they only show, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was thinking to myself, well, how many
Speaker 3: hours was it do you think like each day that
Speaker 3: you were following?
Speaker 5: I got there one of the days, I got there
Speaker 5: at eleven and we didn't, you know, probably like twelve
Speaker 5: hour on the first day, and then the next day
Speaker 5: maybe even like fourteen. Because the first day, my hair
Speaker 5: and makeup I did not come. I was stressed out
Speaker 5: because I need a little bit more time to adjust,
Speaker 5: like you're flying from a different time zone, and then
Speaker 5: they throw you into filming and I just didn't feel
Speaker 5: like comfortable. I was like jet lagged, you know, and
Speaker 5: so my hair and makeup I didn't do a very
Speaker 5: good job of communicating what I wanted to the team,
Speaker 5: and I felt very rushed. So the next day they
Speaker 5: brought me in at like seven am instead of eleven am,
Speaker 5: because I think that they know that for the most part,
Speaker 5: I don't really give a shit like what I look
Speaker 5: like on TV, which I should, because I look back
Speaker 5: at myself and I'm like, oh my god, my first
Speaker 5: thought is you're disgusting. But then like I just I
Speaker 5: let it go, like very quickly. But like the second
Speaker 5: day was a little bit better, more relaxed, and then
Speaker 5: also like balancing the energy of everybody because they're sad,
Speaker 5: they're upset, they're angry, they're pissed, they're this, they're scared there,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's a lot to go through when
Speaker 5: you're like walking into rooms and so yeah, it's a lot,
Speaker 5: like the whole reality TV world is a lot, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, it's also at the same time,
Speaker 5: like you can't complain because we went to Amsterdam and
Speaker 5: had a.
Speaker 3: Yeast, right, wait did you go to the red light district?
Speaker 5: We did?
Speaker 1: Who all went? Who all in the group went?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: It was me and Melissa, and then I do believe
Speaker 5: it was Devin. There might have been a couple of
Speaker 5: other people there. And then like it's so cool, It's
Speaker 5: so stupid because when I lived in Europe when I
Speaker 5: was younger for a study abroad, I thought that I
Speaker 5: went to the red light district because when you because
Speaker 5: I saw a red light and then now going back,
Speaker 5: I saw the naked girls and I was like, I
Speaker 5: did my little naive as did not go to the
Speaker 5: red light district. I saw a red light and I
Speaker 5: was like, here it is red light.
Speaker 1: You're hilarious. I I'm not with you, that is so.
Speaker 3: But anyway, is the red light district where you and
Speaker 3: Melissa sparked your spark because we definitely saw a picture
Speaker 3: on your ig recently of you two canoodling in bed
Speaker 3: under the covers.
Speaker 5: So it's Melissa and I clicked immediately. Not in the
Speaker 5: red light district, but just like when you come to
Speaker 5: the studio. She she said to me, you know, she
Speaker 5: was like, you know, I don't want you to hate
Speaker 5: me for what happened with Nicole. And I was like,
Speaker 5: I would never hate you ever, Like everything that ever
Speaker 5: happens when like there's a cheater or a liar or
Speaker 5: somebody who is you know, doing disrespect to the person
Speaker 5: that you're in a relationship with, I would never hate you.
Speaker 5: I actually thought you were gorgeous, like aside from that,
Speaker 5: and like, you know, like I thought you were the
Speaker 5: most gorgeous one there. So of course she's gonna go
Speaker 5: after you, you know what I'm saying. But I never
Speaker 5: hated you, and so so that like kind of bonded us,
Speaker 5: I think, and probably the fact that I said that
Speaker 5: she's gorgeous, you know, like softened her up, and I
Speaker 5: think we just clicked. And you know, I ended up
Speaker 5: staying with her and Big Tea in their hotel after
Speaker 5: the reunion, and so then we clicked even more. On
Speaker 5: top of that, you're you're getting to know people on
Speaker 5: a personal level that you really weren't able to know
Speaker 5: them prior to that, other than just hearing their name,
Speaker 5: like in the same vein as you. Davon, Like, I
Speaker 5: like you a lot, and I love like how you're
Speaker 5: a whipper snapper. You say what you want, you like
Speaker 5: put people in their place, and you know it's it's
Speaker 5: it's the same type of thing where you like like
Speaker 5: someone and then you meet them and then it's like
Speaker 5: you like them even more, right, ye?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: But is that how y'all ended up in bed together?
Speaker 3: Because I get you're meeting Davon right now, but there
Speaker 3: are pictures of YouTube posts bed, but there's pictures of you.
Speaker 1: A romantic thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we were just we were just
Speaker 5: laying in bed and I guess uh Tory took some picture,
Speaker 5: but we were all in the room we were.
Speaker 3: All okay, okay, I.
Speaker 5: Mean she's hot, Like I said, girls hot.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So wait Laura now doctor Laura being okay,
Speaker 3: So wait, have you guys or would you go on
Speaker 3: a date?
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I haven't talked in depth
Speaker 5: about what Melissa wants and you know, uh, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: be a I don't know. I haven't really thought of that.
Speaker 5: I because of right now, I like Melissa a lot.
Speaker 5: I think that she's a beautiful human being from you know,
Speaker 5: just like I said, like, you get close so quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying like, I don't know why we do that. Why
Speaker 5: do we get close so quick? We like share all
Speaker 5: our secrets, like when you like someone, you're like, here's
Speaker 5: my life story, here's what I've been through, here's the hardships,
Speaker 5: and then and then you're just like.
Speaker 3: Some people call it trauma dumping, but yes, that is that.
Speaker 3: We do do that, and I think in the challenge
Speaker 3: environment it fosters because you guys have this unique bond,
Speaker 3: right like, having gone through whether you competed on the
Speaker 3: same season or not, you still it's this.
Speaker 1: Little world, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of different in that way, but We're
Speaker 3: so excited to see you back in here. I know
Speaker 3: Day has questions about the reunion. I have questions about
Speaker 3: the reunion. So much was going on it was starting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a lot going There was a lot, and
Speaker 3: actually this reunion even brought out it tested Day and
Speaker 3: I were getting in a heated debate.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that because we love to hear
Speaker 1: your take.
Speaker 3: Laurcs you there, But let's start with Aesop and Kylin fighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it like to be in the room.
Speaker 3: You're sitting with the other champions with the vets and
Speaker 3: you're seeing this pop off? Like what was that whole
Speaker 3: vibe and energy? Were you guys? Were you worried in
Speaker 3: that moment? Did you really think something was going to happen?
Speaker 3: Were you kind of rolling your eyes like these people
Speaker 3: are stupid like visuals?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nah, that was like that was like, you know,
Speaker 5: that was like a puppy quarrel in the freaking pen.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm saying, You're like, break it up,
Speaker 5: break it up, cuties, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 5: that's not a serious that's not a serious situation where
Speaker 5: anywhere you're like scared for anyone, because neither of them
Speaker 5: are particularly you know, aggressive appearing, and I think that
Speaker 5: they would keep it kind of clean. Kyland did actually
Speaker 5: like buck Up more than I anticipated. I was like, interesting,
Speaker 5: there might be like some hardness there, which was funny
Speaker 5: because you know, you like I see Kyland as like
Speaker 5: this harmless, you know, like kind of light easy, you know,
Speaker 5: like he's he's really non intrusive when you're in a
Speaker 5: room with him, like he he is able to have
Speaker 5: intelligible conversations. I do think that, you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of times when when we get people from foreign countries,
Speaker 5: there's a there is a language barrier, right like, like
Speaker 5: because I've experienced it myself from speaking Spanish with people
Speaker 5: with that that are from Spanish speaking countries. I say
Speaker 5: something I think I'm saying one thing, turns out I'm
Speaker 5: saying I love you by accident, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like and like like I'm in love with you or whatever,
Speaker 5: and uh so I feel like that's like part of
Speaker 5: where that came from, like the root of that evil.
Speaker 5: And then also like Kylon's defending Melissa, so he's gonna
Speaker 5: defend Melissa, you know, wholeheartedly. And then Asof. I know
Speaker 5: Asof was having a little bit of trouble because he
Speaker 5: did actually come up to me at one point and
Speaker 5: he was like, how do you do this, Laurel, Like
Speaker 5: how do you do this? And I know it's rough,
Speaker 5: you know, like they're new and they don't understand this.
Speaker 5: You know, like this shit ain't easy and right and
Speaker 5: and it's true. And that's what makes it so difficult
Speaker 5: to win the challenge is because you know, you have
Speaker 5: to deal with these things in these situations that you're
Speaker 5: never really in a normal situation gonna gonna get into
Speaker 5: something like that with somebody, and and multi times in
Speaker 5: one day. So I think Astof was having just a
Speaker 5: little bit of like trouble with it, like dealing with
Speaker 5: everybody kind of going in on him, because it wasn't
Speaker 5: just Kylind that was going in on him, it was
Speaker 5: Melissa that was going in on him. It was you know,
Speaker 5: people were kind of like shitting on Himdurell went in
Speaker 5: on him a little bit, you know, And and so
Speaker 5: I think he was having a little bit of a
Speaker 5: hard time, if you want, like a little bit of
Speaker 5: behind the scenes what I think. And then I was
Speaker 5: I was a little surprised, you know, by Kylon and
Speaker 5: and his buck up there, because I was like, oh damn,
Speaker 5: like maybe he could, you know, maybe he could bring
Speaker 5: in a little bit in that arena, which I you know,
Speaker 5: he doesn't, he doesn't. His first impression is.
Speaker 3: Not that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And do you know Kylin, yes a day, what
Speaker 1: are yours? Like, what are your thoughts on what you
Speaker 1: know about Kylon and then seeing him kind of buck
Speaker 1: up like that in Kylie.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Kyli can definitely get active in the arena for sure. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: even on Big Brother when he got ready to get
Speaker 2: evicted him and another place inside of the house, we're
Speaker 2: about to get into it.
Speaker 4: So Kylin is he's definitely with it. He's just I
Speaker 4: think he has him as a person.
Speaker 2: It's one of those situations where if you don't bother me,
Speaker 2: I won't bother you, but if you knuck, please believe
Speaker 2: I'm going to buck It's one of those situations, right,
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's my view on Kylin, like, don't
Speaker 2: mess with me and it won't be a problem.
Speaker 4: But he's a sweet and kind guy like across.
Speaker 3: From yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. What was the most shocking
Speaker 3: part of the reunion for you, Laurel.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, uh, I'm gonna damn. My first thought.
Speaker 5: My first thought is to say that Melissa and Big
Speaker 5: T come out in literally matching dresses and matching.
Speaker 3: Crowds, mashing dresses and gowns, and then those like we've
Speaker 3: store tiaras, and I know you haven't been to a
Speaker 3: wig store, probably Laura. But when you go to the
Speaker 3: weaves store, there are some things you can always count on.
Speaker 3: Some lip bomb, okay at the checkout, some eyelashes. They're
Speaker 3: gonna have a whole row of eyelashes that you can
Speaker 3: get on the cheap. Probably some nail polates somewhere. And
Speaker 3: then some tiaras, like some Kingsaniera or wedding trs in
Speaker 3: a case that you can buy, but they're covered in plastic.
Speaker 1: Those were the tiaras that the girls were rocking on
Speaker 1: this union. So, yeah, what did you think of their
Speaker 1: their twindom look?
Speaker 5: Oh god, I loved it. I just thought it was classic.
Speaker 5: I was like, they are just like superstars, Like look
Speaker 5: at them, you know what I'm saying. I was just like, ah,
Speaker 5: they're just a sight, you know. It's just I was like,
Speaker 5: I just loved it. They had these sunglasses too that
Speaker 5: they would put on and Melissa actually fell asleep for
Speaker 5: a period and they were like, meltsop, wake up, wake up,
Speaker 5: Melissa up. It was hilarious. It was just it was
Speaker 5: very entertaining, especially because like some of these fights can
Speaker 5: really drag on and you're like, oh, you wrap it up,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So they they did.
Speaker 5: They just really brought like a lightness, which I enjoy
Speaker 5: because and that's why I enjoy a lot of the
Speaker 5: people from from the from Britain, because they just really
Speaker 5: lighten it up, you know, like they know how to
Speaker 5: somehow turn something heavy into something that feels like a
Speaker 5: little bit like more easy and loose, you know, like
Speaker 5: like it said, it can it can get really like.
Speaker 1: Get heavy, you really.
Speaker 3: I thought James did a good job of that actually,
Speaker 3: because seeing James, yeah say that he turned it like
Speaker 3: I gained a level of respect for James because I
Speaker 3: liked the accountability he took there.
Speaker 1: But he instead of fighting, he was like I became
Speaker 1: a little bit of a.
Speaker 3: Bitch this season, and like that was such a departure
Speaker 3: from how he behaved throughout the season. So to see
Speaker 3: him sort of be self deprecating and and like own
Speaker 3: it was funny. It just like so needed in that moment,
Speaker 3: I thought, and pretty funny.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I feel like on this reunion, Laurel,
Speaker 2: you were like the mother, like you were the voice
Speaker 2: of reason, right, like the voice of like calm down,
Speaker 2: get go, sit in the corner, be quiet, don't do this,
Speaker 2: put that down.
Speaker 3: Even took your shoes off, like.
Speaker 2: At any given second, anybody can get popped like you.
Speaker 4: Yes, literally, you were the mother of the reunion.
Speaker 2: I would love to know what is your read what
Speaker 2: read do you have on your children these competitors of
Speaker 2: this season, Like what is your overall opinion of these
Speaker 2: particular challengers.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think they're great. I love Raven. I think
Speaker 5: Nourice handled herself really well because she's gonna she's gonna flip.
Speaker 5: She's gonna flip on a bitch, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like she's gonna tell you what she thinks. And she's
Speaker 5: gonna tell you in the bronx way too. She ain't
Speaker 5: she ain't bumping around like and I like that, Like
Speaker 5: I like that sharp tongue, and she actually like opened
Speaker 5: herself up to be more vulnerable because she doesn't like
Speaker 5: to do that, and so I was proud of her
Speaker 5: for that. And then I uh, we were all sitting
Speaker 5: at all the champs were sitting on the couch just
Speaker 5: staring at James being like and Dureaux was constantly saying
Speaker 5: because James he was in another world. He was like
Speaker 5: sitting there like kind of laid back, like staring, you know,
Speaker 5: like zoning out, and constantly Dall will be like, wonder
Speaker 5: what James thinks about this argument with Kylond.
Speaker 1: And oh, that's hilarious. Darrell would do something like that.
Speaker 1: Darrell loves to just like instigate, like to just poke
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 5: That's so good, so good, and and yeah, like I
Speaker 5: just honestly like as a as a challenge, you know,
Speaker 5: legend in our own right, once said Paula Walnuts. You know,
Speaker 5: we are all getting only older and uglier, so it's
Speaker 5: time for these new ones to rise up, you know,
Speaker 5: like show me out. Like so it's true, you know,
Speaker 5: like I'm phasing out of this show, and you know,
Speaker 5: I have a life and I've always had one, but
Speaker 5: like it's nice to see some new people come in.
Speaker 5: And we saw some real We saw some real heartache,
Speaker 5: we saw some real love, we saw some like and
Speaker 5: I was proud of them at the end, Like you know,
Speaker 5: the the chunk of them that were at the end
Speaker 5: Zara Mariah James, Like those are actually like the stars,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And it was over the
Speaker 5: beginning part of the season was slow to like burn, right,
Speaker 5: but then when you got to the end and you
Speaker 5: see these people, it's like, Okay, these are the people
Speaker 5: that are gonna bring it. And I was really happy
Speaker 5: about that because I love Ravens specifically. I saw like
Speaker 5: star power in her immediately because she just she's oblivious
Speaker 5: and that's the best thing about her.
Speaker 1: Like they call her Dory, that's her nickname.
Speaker 3: I don't know, have you heard it, which is so
Speaker 3: funny because she is like she does have she's really
Speaker 3: smart with thinks. She'll have these moments of like huh
Speaker 3: what like where Yeah, but she's.
Speaker 5: Also stunning, stunning. Her thighs are just gonna literally she
Speaker 5: could crush her head with her thighs. Okay, So she's
Speaker 5: an athlete. Not only that, she came out on the
Speaker 5: first challenge she ever did bake the wind like took
Speaker 5: it like straight up kicked my ass. Like I like, granted,
Speaker 5: I just got out of veterinary school and I was
Speaker 5: like I hadn't worked out for four years, but still
Speaker 5: she kicked everyone's ass. I was like, super proud to
Speaker 5: see that, because not only do I want to see
Speaker 5: someone who's beautiful, genuine, I want to see somebody who's
Speaker 5: gonna fucking bring it in competition. And Raven brought that,
Speaker 5: and so I was like we got to like, you know,
Speaker 5: like these people, these I'm glad, you know, Like also,
Speaker 5: it's it sucks because you know, they had to like
Speaker 5: remove the champs from the from the picture in order
Speaker 5: for them to be able to shine. But you know,
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it's a good thing,
Speaker 5: you know, because now we got some new characters that
Speaker 5: can you know, bring some flavor to the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some seasoning.
Speaker 2: We wanted some seasoning, just to just add a little
Speaker 2: bit of seasoning, you know.
Speaker 4: I would love to know. When they called you and
Speaker 4: they said, hey, laure how do you feel about coming
Speaker 4: in being a mercenary.
Speaker 5: I was like, cool, free trip to Croatia. I'm in baby, Yes.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: You didn't have any thoughts like, oh, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 5: No, I did. Actually they had to call me like
Speaker 5: multiple times, and then they had to get like the
Speaker 5: exec to call me because I was like.
Speaker 1: Why were you hesitanting? What was it that made you
Speaker 1: go about it?
Speaker 5: I'm just always like just always a little hesitant, honestly,
Speaker 5: like because it's a strenuous thing. Yeah, yeah, that's really
Speaker 5: the honest answer. Like it's it's hard for me, you know,
Speaker 5: like I may come across as tough and you know,
Speaker 5: a robot like you once said, you know, but like
Speaker 5: that is really just an exterior to protect myself because
Speaker 5: it's very hard for me to be there. It's very
Speaker 5: hard for me to maneuver socially, you know, like getting
Speaker 5: attacked at any at any given moment is difficult. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know it, Devan, You saw how much I get attacked,
Speaker 5: and it's hard for me to take that. And I
Speaker 5: just stay silent. I do what I can. I I
Speaker 5: internalized it, I shut down, and I become that robot
Speaker 5: because of those reasons. Yeah, So I'm always has a
Speaker 5: tent beforehand because I'm like, what position are they going
Speaker 5: to put me in now? Because you know, you know,
Speaker 5: they want to put you in a position that is difficult.
Speaker 5: It's called the challenge for a reason, and they do
Speaker 5: that specifically, so so I'm just always like a little
Speaker 5: bit on guard.
Speaker 6: But then you know, they they just it ended up
Speaker 6: being fine and I had a really good time, and
Speaker 6: that's usually a lot of times what happens.
Speaker 5: But I'm always just a little bit like standoffish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there are just so many sides.
Speaker 3: But I feel like your ability to compartmentalize, even if
Speaker 3: it's whether it's healthy or not, is part of what
Speaker 3: makes you the female goat, because you do. You go
Speaker 3: in to any sort of challenge, daily elimination, and it's
Speaker 3: like if someone's near, they can just see the switch
Speaker 3: and it is like, oh, hell, Laurel is in Like
Speaker 3: Laurel is in gay mode, and it's so cool seeing
Speaker 3: you in gay mode. But then seeing you with Louie,
Speaker 3: your dog, and like knowing your vet, Like there's this
Speaker 3: whole other, complete softy side to that not everyone gets
Speaker 3: to see that like makes her this sort of like
Speaker 3: well rounded magnetic person that you are.
Speaker 1: So I've always had a soft spot for.
Speaker 3: You and I've always loved you, and it's not just
Speaker 3: because you didn't put me at the top of your
Speaker 3: hit list.
Speaker 1: All those years ago that I was further down the list.
Speaker 3: But there are other reasons now watching everything that was
Speaker 3: like going on on the stage. So one thing that
Speaker 3: both Day and I agreed on that we love seeing
Speaker 3: was you jump in to defend and stand by Michelle,
Speaker 3: especially despite your history, given that Michelle clearly felt blindsided by,
Speaker 3: you know, the feeling she had for Calum. Can you
Speaker 3: speak a little bit to how you were feeling in
Speaker 3: that room kind of? I'm sure there was more of
Speaker 3: that argument and debate that was happening that we didn't
Speaker 3: get to see.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 5: The history would me and Callum goes back years. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I did X on the peak and he was on
Speaker 5: that and supporting a voisterous, loud cheater like you know,
Speaker 5: proud of herself cheating you know then that would be
Speaker 5: Nicole and and so you know, knowing that he supports cheaters,
Speaker 5: and knowing that he supports liars already and then seeing
Speaker 5: what he did to Michelle years later, I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 5: you have not changed one bit, not one bit, not once.
Speaker 5: Have you looked at the inside of what's going on.
Speaker 5: You're hurting your girlfriend that you know you said wasn't
Speaker 5: your girlfriend? Now is your girlfriend?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 5: You want to protect her? Now, No, you're trying to
Speaker 5: protect yourself. You only care about yourself. So I just
Speaker 5: I straight up clocked him, and like they don't show
Speaker 5: all of it, and it made me mad. That shit
Speaker 5: makes me mad because I've also been cheated on Hunt,
Speaker 5: like multiple times by the same person, and you give
Speaker 5: them the benefit of the doubt and you get taken
Speaker 5: advantage of and and with Michelle, like yeah, I may
Speaker 5: not like really want to be her friend, but at
Speaker 5: the same time, that doesn't take away from the fact
Speaker 5: that what he did to her was And I'm going
Speaker 5: to stand up for a woman that, like I believe needs,
Speaker 5: like I just that's that's the way I am, and
Speaker 5: and so and so I stood up for her, and
Speaker 5: I really yelled at him and like what they you know,
Speaker 5: like the night prior, I actually lit into him so bad,
Speaker 5: Like we we got into a in the hotel. Everyone
Speaker 5: was sitting at a table and and it just came
Speaker 5: out like I can't hold it back. And then he
Speaker 5: also came out the next day on the show as well,
Speaker 5: and I guess the show loves it, you know, because
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll defend the I always say Nicole,
Speaker 5: I'll defend Michelle, and and uh, it's just because like
Speaker 5: whatever whatever it is, like, it's not like I have
Speaker 5: bad blood towards her. I just really she just irritates me.
Speaker 5: Like she does these things that like, for example, Mariah
Speaker 5: is my friend and we developed a relationship on thirty
Speaker 5: nine and that we became friends in real life outside
Speaker 5: of the show, and we've been through a few things
Speaker 5: that have you know, involved forgiveness and all these things,
Speaker 5: and it's been it's been a it's been a really
Speaker 5: great friendship for me, me and Mariah. Mariah is also
Speaker 5: friends with Michelle, and Michelle really wants to be my friend,
Speaker 5: I guess because Michelle keeps telling Mariah to message me
Speaker 5: and say like good things about like I you know,
Speaker 5: like media, you know, and I'm just saying, I'm a
Speaker 5: type of person that's like, leave me the fuck alone.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm saying, Leave me the fuck alone?
Speaker 5: And if I want to, you know, like it's just
Speaker 5: if you have too much pressure. Yeah, And then she'll
Speaker 5: say little weird things like this that I don't like
Speaker 5: she'll tell Mariah Laurel blocked me on Instagram? Can you
Speaker 5: please tell her to unblock me? Because I really And
Speaker 5: then I'm like, I didn't block you. I don't, I
Speaker 5: don't follow you. I didn't block you. Like you're going
Speaker 5: cuckoo in the head. Like, So to me, it's like,
Speaker 5: is she making that up? Is that strategic? Is she
Speaker 5: trying to play the game? I'm just off on it,
Speaker 5: and I'm like get back, and she won't. And I
Speaker 5: just feel like she won't leave me alone. Like one
Speaker 5: night we were filling the room, she shows up on
Speaker 5: my hotel door. I'm like, go up, like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, like, let me be, let me be.
Speaker 3: Like I think you guys have different attachment styles. She
Speaker 3: has anxious attachment style. You have avoidant. When she's on
Speaker 3: the podcast, she actually did say good things about you
Speaker 3: as well. I don't think it's fully strategic. I think
Speaker 3: she's anxious to be liked and she's admitted that too
Speaker 3: and so, but you are the complete opposite. So the
Speaker 3: more she pushes, the more you are like, get the
Speaker 3: heck away, and then it becomes this thing. I'm optimistic
Speaker 3: that one day you guys actually will be, at least
Speaker 3: on a friendly term, consider each other friends. Because I
Speaker 3: think there are certain things when it comes to leadership,
Speaker 3: and I think Michelle showed that this season. I think
Speaker 3: there are certain similarities, like when it comes to like
Speaker 3: the ability to kind of like stand your ground and lead.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's some similarities there. But I
Speaker 3: think her anxious attachment.
Speaker 1: Style is like it. I think it not mix after well,
Speaker 1: but I think Laurel is a.
Speaker 2: Little like me in a sense of let me do
Speaker 2: it when I'm ready to talk, let me do it,
Speaker 2: let me come to you, let me do it.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Going back to that callum thing.
Speaker 3: So that's where Davon and I were having a very
Speaker 3: heated debate about because it felt like watching it. Look,
Speaker 3: I am all for giving people grace and space to grow,
Speaker 3: because we all do. And there's nothing like a reality
Speaker 3: show that was filmed years ago to be able to
Speaker 3: watch back and be like, oh, I wouldn't do that now,
Speaker 3: or I wouldn't say that now, or I've learned things
Speaker 3: like all for that, But I am not for people
Speaker 3: gaslighting others or not taking accountability. I am not for
Speaker 3: participation trophies. And my mom says, to no better is
Speaker 3: to do better. And you're a grown adult. You manage
Speaker 3: to get yourself on a plane to wherever else. You
Speaker 3: know when something's hurting someone, and the way you know
Speaker 3: that the tabvious is when you hide from taking accountability.
Speaker 3: And I felt like Callum was only finally taking accountability
Speaker 3: because you lit into his ass and because he felt
Speaker 3: kind of back into a corner. And Davon is texting
Speaker 3: in our group chat like, oh, well he finally, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, he knows.
Speaker 1: Better what I said.
Speaker 4: Let me say what I said.
Speaker 2: I said to me on that stage, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of grown children, So I said, age does not
Speaker 2: make you an adult, and there are still some people
Speaker 2: on that stage that are growing. And I didn't know
Speaker 2: the whole thing about him being years of defending a cheater.
Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about that.
Speaker 2: But what I did see was we are in a
Speaker 2: society where men do not cry.
Speaker 4: They're if frowned upon, it's considered weak, it's considered men
Speaker 4: don't do that.
Speaker 2: So when I see a man sit on the stage
Speaker 2: and he starts crying based on what's going I don't
Speaker 2: care if he's being backed up against the wall. He's
Speaker 2: showing some vulnerability. He's showing that I am affected in
Speaker 2: a certain kind of way. So no, Devin said, basically,
Speaker 2: throw him in the trash. I'm never gonna throw him
Speaker 2: in a trash for.
Speaker 3: Them, I throw that example in the trash. And also,
Speaker 3: more and more men are crying. Emotional intelligence is but
Speaker 3: it's now. And he was crying there, not because he
Speaker 3: was remorseful. He was crying because he got backed into
Speaker 3: a corner.
Speaker 4: And that's fine. Sometimes that's what it takes. Sometimes it
Speaker 4: takes for a fire to be lit under you. I
Speaker 4: just forget it. You understand what I'm saying, Laurel. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it takes that.
Speaker 3: We'll see how he behaves in the future, and we
Speaker 3: will forever agree to disagree.
Speaker 4: What you think, Laurel, will she lit up?
Speaker 1: Lit him up? Which is exactly what I would.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, now that I have had this conversation, how
Speaker 2: do you feel about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So, so I see what both of you are saying.
Speaker 5: I do believe that it so I do agree with you.
Speaker 5: Davon he is a child. He's a boy. I shouldn't
Speaker 5: say child, he's a boy and he's he. There's there's
Speaker 5: a certain element to reality television where you can say
Speaker 5: a boy forever, you can say a boy forever. Because
Speaker 5: this guy is famous in the UK. He's famous in
Speaker 5: the UK. I'm not going to take that away from him.
Speaker 5: But also, I don't give a fuck about same. I
Speaker 5: could take it and I could fucking leave it because
Speaker 5: I have a life and so this is not my life,
Speaker 5: and that, I think is what makes the real world
Speaker 5: people different. Even though I was never on the real world.
Speaker 5: I was gonna be on real world Brooklyn, you know,
Speaker 5: and like, so, you know, I just feel like that's
Speaker 5: what makes us a little bit different than them, because
Speaker 5: we never I didn't really want same, did you know. Yes,
Speaker 5: the point the foundation of who we are is we
Speaker 5: get real. So yes, I'm gonna fucking light his ass
Speaker 5: on fire. I don't give a fuck that you're famous
Speaker 5: in the UK. And that's what everybody was kind of saying.
Speaker 5: Even James came up to me afterwards and Callum was
Speaker 5: really affected by what I said, And it was probably
Speaker 5: more so humiliation because no one's ever talked to him
Speaker 5: like that because he's callum from whatever, and I don't care,
Speaker 5: and so that is why I let into like lit
Speaker 5: him up. And also just because I've had personal experience
Speaker 5: with being lied to, being cheated on, it's wrong. I'm
Speaker 5: never gonna not say it's wrong. I don't give a
Speaker 5: fuck that it's Michelle or somebody that I you know, like,
Speaker 5: don't like, I'm not friends with. I'm gonna say it's
Speaker 5: wrong to treat someone like that. And exactly what you said,
Speaker 5: I do not agree with anybody said like gaslighting or
Speaker 5: flipping the switch like. So that's why I like it
Speaker 5: went on for a while. I like he he he
Speaker 5: came back at me for quite a for quite a
Speaker 5: long time before he started to go, before.
Speaker 3: He became accountable. So exactly so, he fought it for
Speaker 3: a while, and that's why.
Speaker 4: I said he broke it.
Speaker 2: Had he did break it had to take a breaking,
Speaker 2: and that's with any human Sometimes we go through things
Speaker 2: in life and you don't get it until you say
Speaker 2: that breaking happens.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: He had a breaking And thank you Laurel for being
Speaker 2: there because that moment probably never would have happened, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, who else was gonna hold the fire
Speaker 2: to him if you weren't there?
Speaker 5: I don't know, probably no one, And you know that's
Speaker 5: and that's a problem. You know, like he's gotten away
Speaker 5: with it for a very very very long time. And
Speaker 5: I just feel, honestly like the women are the people
Speaker 5: that get get the ship under the stick here like
Speaker 5: this four girlfriends, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: And Michelle, because Michelle was looking forward to that too,
Speaker 3: you know, like she didn't genuinely like didn't realize the
Speaker 3: depth that it was. She said, I was going to
Speaker 3: manage like yeah, which is which also brings up another
Speaker 3: point too about accountability. So we saw where Jay said
Speaker 3: he reached out to was in a reice to apologize, right,
Speaker 3: and as she was saying, it was a week before
Speaker 3: they were to film the reunion, So you guys already
Speaker 3: have the reunion dates locked in, you already know who's
Speaker 3: going to likely be there, but that it had been
Speaker 3: six months prior and he hadn't reached out, and he's
Speaker 3: saying the timeline doesn't matter, And so what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Laurel?
Speaker 3: And probably because you heard more of that conversation, since
Speaker 3: we only get to see a snippet of it of
Speaker 3: people waiting till, oh, I'm going to see you at
Speaker 3: the reunion, Now let me apologize or make amends right beforehand.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 5: Well, what he said was basically, it took him some
Speaker 5: time to basically not understand, but it took him some
Speaker 5: time to come to terms with what had happened. And
Speaker 5: that's why that's why he waited so long, I guess
Speaker 5: to reach out to her. And it's just it's so
Speaker 5: complicated because everyone's always quick to say like, oh, you're
Speaker 5: only doing this for cameras and whatnot, and and like
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't particularly it sounded like what what
Speaker 5: Jay said on the reunion was that they didn't really
Speaker 5: ever hang out, So Nourice thought that they were friends
Speaker 5: and maybe they chatted and maybe they talked, and then
Speaker 5: you know, you just see where someone values you, and yes,
Speaker 5: in this situation.
Speaker 1: Very affected by it.
Speaker 3: Like she seemed really, like you said earlier, Nurise isn't
Speaker 3: someone who shows vulnerability often, but when it came to
Speaker 3: her relationship with Jay, she seemed very affected by whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever disappointments she had with how that played out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's what I was proud
Speaker 5: of her for because that's a step, and that's a
Speaker 5: step in the direction that she doesn't really feel comfortable
Speaker 5: doing usually, And so that's that's a good thing for her,
Speaker 5: you know, like that's a good thing for her to show.
Speaker 5: And I remember sitting there and saying, like, you know,
Speaker 5: to Tory and Kara, like she's doing a good job.
Speaker 5: And they agreed, you know, like she's doing a good
Speaker 5: job of pushing herself out of her comfort zone. And
Speaker 5: and and and that's what we love to see. That
Speaker 5: is growth. That is you know, steps in the direction
Speaker 5: of you know, growing in life. Right, And and what
Speaker 5: I saw, I guess basically is just Jade just doesn't
Speaker 5: value Nourice in the same way that she valued him.
Speaker 5: And they found that out. And and while he may
Speaker 5: have reached out to apologize, the damage was already done.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And whether or not it took a really
Speaker 5: long time for him to come to terms with that.
Speaker 5: Like I can understand that, like, you know, because there's
Speaker 5: a lot of elements at play, But but I also
Speaker 5: I really, you know, I just I can't. I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't. The gaslighting that Jay exhibited is is just
Speaker 5: like you know, I still got problems with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that gaslighting thing is is.
Speaker 5: That's the problem. Yeah. And that's why he that's why
Speaker 5: he's in the position that he's in, is because a
Speaker 5: lot of what you don't see and a lot of
Speaker 5: sometimes where the one person that gets targeted is there's
Speaker 5: a lot of social there's a lot of social problems
Speaker 5: that they that they encounter with everyone on the cast.
Speaker 5: And then everyone on the cast is like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I experienced that with him, and then another person's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I did too, So we call you out on it.
Speaker 5: And then you get put in this hot seat and
Speaker 5: do you say, okay, yeah what I did was wrong.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry guys, or do you go no, that's
Speaker 5: your fault, that's your fault, that's your fault.
Speaker 1: No, that's not you know, and then that's who you get.
Speaker 5: That's when you get to see like the real the
Speaker 5: reality of who someone is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree there.
Speaker 2: I feel like there is very little history with these people, but.
Speaker 4: A lot of the cuts in the wounds run deep.
Speaker 2: However, with the vets in the corner there's a lot
Speaker 2: of history there, and there's still wounds that are cutting deep.
Speaker 2: What was going on in the corner with you guys
Speaker 2: on your own private island, specifically this.
Speaker 4: Tory and Kara banter back and forth? What was going
Speaker 4: on over there?
Speaker 5: Hey, they just won't they won't stop. I don't get it, honestly,
Speaker 5: I was literally I really am curious because you know, like,
Speaker 5: what the heck. I'm like, Car, why do you hate Tori?
Speaker 5: And then she's like, you know, She's like, you know,
Speaker 5: there's there's a reason, but like she won't specifically say it,
Speaker 5: and then and then Tory's just kind of like poking
Speaker 5: fun at it, playing with it, which is funny and comical,
Speaker 5: and I enjoy that. Yeah, they're just going back and forth,
Speaker 5: like the entire show. It is like one's on my left,
Speaker 5: ones on my right. And then Tory will be like,
Speaker 5: is that why you blocked me? And then Car's like
Speaker 5: rolling her eyes, and then I'm like, no, but what
Speaker 5: is actually the reason why you don't like each other? Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm That's what I'm like, what's going on? Like?
Speaker 5: What is what is it? What did reveal it to me?
Speaker 3: In a little bit of a theory on the reunion.
Speaker 3: Do you think that theory is true? Because you sort
Speaker 3: of said you feel like there may have been a
Speaker 3: little bit of jealousy on cars and when Tory came
Speaker 3: into the picture, because you know, and then Derell floated
Speaker 3: out that it was sort of like, uh, Tory took over.
Speaker 3: Kara was the face and then Tory took over the
Speaker 3: face of the challenge.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's some truth to those theories
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 3: Do you think Tory po pointed out that she felt
Speaker 3: like Kara was just doing this so that they could
Speaker 3: work together as a team on another version of Rivals,
Speaker 3: which I would not want to be on that season.
Speaker 3: I mean you already they would dominate. They just those
Speaker 3: two together, it's just, you know, pretty much game over.
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts? My thoughts are that.
Speaker 5: I thought that it was jealousy, which is why I
Speaker 5: said that. And then when we were sitting there, Carl said, no, Laurel,
Speaker 5: like you know that, like I support strong women, and
Speaker 5: it is actually true, so you know, she's never she
Speaker 5: really isn't like bothered when like I'm there and we're
Speaker 5: both strong women. You know what I'm saying? So so
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, yeah, I could see that. I
Speaker 5: do still think though, that it is, like you know,
Speaker 5: there there is an aspect of jealousy to it, maybe
Speaker 5: unless Kara reveals to me at some point what it
Speaker 5: is that something happened. And it was like, you know,
Speaker 5: but she hasn't told me, she hasn't told you. Like,
Speaker 5: like like I said when I was on the stage,
Speaker 5: I was like, but what is it? Carl, Like, then,
Speaker 5: if it's not jealousy, what is it?
Speaker 1: What is the thing?
Speaker 5: She won't say it? So, like, I don't actually know
Speaker 5: the answer to this. I can only speculate. And like
Speaker 5: I said, I me and Durrell thought it was the
Speaker 5: thing that we said and and Kara and Carl said no,
Speaker 5: So I don't have an answer for you on that unfortunately,
Speaker 5: like I said, I thought that it was what I said,
Speaker 5: but then Carl said no, it wasn't. And then maybe Tory.
Speaker 5: I think usually the person that says like, oh, you
Speaker 5: want to be rivals with me is actually the person
Speaker 5: that wants that. So I think Tory wants to be Car's.
Speaker 1: Right, which would be smart. I mean again, that would
Speaker 1: be one hell of a team.
Speaker 5: I think Car doesn't want to be Tory's rival, but
Speaker 5: she would probably take it, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: Car's kind of pretty unbothered by most things. But the
Speaker 5: one thing that there is with her from the very
Speaker 5: get go is like an element of me me me, me,
Speaker 5: me me me mean, you know, like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: so so I can't I call it jealousy, but maybe
Speaker 5: that's not the right word, but uh, yeah, it's just
Speaker 5: very layered. It's very layered. Yeah, and and I really
Speaker 5: don't know the true to be honest with you. Maybe
Speaker 5: it'll get revealed. Maybe all of this will come to
Speaker 5: a head, and I don't know when, maybe we will
Speaker 5: see play out in their laurel.
Speaker 4: We love a good hints. We love a good hints.
Speaker 1: Were you speaking of everything you know? Playing out?
Speaker 3: And we're going to get to a new season that's
Speaker 3: going to be coming soon that I know everyone has
Speaker 3: been talking about. Excited, But before we get to that,
Speaker 3: were you surprised? And you can be honest, so if
Speaker 3: you weren't surprised, you'd be like, no, I already knew
Speaker 3: when Tory did call you the female goat.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I just thought that was so nice because
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, I've been fighting for years
Speaker 5: for people to give me a capability because I mean,
Speaker 5: you saw Teresa. All she did was tear me down,
Speaker 5: you know, from the very first season that we did together,
Speaker 5: Like even though I was performing in Daily's like on
Speaker 5: Fresh Meat Too, all she did was make fun of
Speaker 5: my laugh, make fun of my cellulate, make fun of
Speaker 5: my body, call me bigfoot, like those were things that
Speaker 5: were happening behind the scenes that no one saw. So
Speaker 5: I'm having to deal with all of this stuff. And
Speaker 5: you know, I wish you just would have talked to
Speaker 5: me if we had a problem, but like, you know,
Speaker 5: we're young, we're young kids, and we don't have communication
Speaker 5: skills at that point. So I was just like really
Speaker 5: feeling like isolated and alone. And then and then even
Speaker 5: on Cutthroat, I had Abram coming at me saying, you're
Speaker 5: not a good competitor, You're not this, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: fuck you, you dick, like you're you're sleeping with Kara and
Speaker 5: like and and you're telling me I'm not a good
Speaker 5: competitor when I'm the only reason we won the Daily
Speaker 5: the other day, like screw you. And then on Rivals,
Speaker 5: you know, like that was difficult because then we were
Speaker 5: in a house of all vets and so it was
Speaker 5: you know, and then Kara had me and car had
Speaker 5: our differences, and so that was hard for us to
Speaker 5: work together as a team, and then eventually we came together.
Speaker 5: Like I just feel like, I just feel like the
Speaker 5: you know, it's like it's been like an uphill battle
Speaker 5: for me. And so to finally be recognized, even by TJ,
Speaker 5: you know, like that, I haven't received that before, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, I've received it from fans. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I truly appreciate those fans, and I'm so thankful
Speaker 5: that they, you know, they see something strong in me,
Speaker 5: or they see what they see in me. But not
Speaker 5: everyone sees that. You know, that's a.
Speaker 3: Point, and not everyone has good visions, right, that's okay,
Speaker 3: and that's okay or dumb. Some people don't have standards.
Speaker 3: You are an icon and have been in how you
Speaker 3: play this game very much, so like you are the
Speaker 3: truth and one thing I do love about how you
Speaker 3: play the game. And something that was a topic that
Speaker 3: we saw on the stage, like Nourie spoke to it
Speaker 3: this season. She's like, look, I made it to the end.
Speaker 3: Without being a snake like I was who I said
Speaker 3: I was, And I think that's something you and I
Speaker 3: connected over on Free Agents, which I liked about you.
Speaker 3: It's like I am a regard whatever people want to
Speaker 3: say about my social gameplay. I'm always straightforward. I'm always
Speaker 3: up front. You don't have to I'm not telling you
Speaker 3: one thing and doing something else. Find your back. If
Speaker 3: I do do something, I will own it and say hey,
Speaker 3: I voted for you or I'm doing X, Y and Z.
Speaker 3: And you've played the game that same way. So not
Speaker 3: only have you been a force to be reckoned with,
Speaker 3: but you've done so by I think being consistent, you know,
Speaker 3: and and transparent the whole way through. So when you
Speaker 3: heard Naric say that on the stage at this reunion,
Speaker 3: that like, hey, versus sort of what she I think,
Speaker 3: she's sort of implying that, like Jay's gameplay, for example,
Speaker 3: was a little snaky and all of the different things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how did you feel about hearing Naris say that?
Speaker 5: I agree with her, And I mean anybody that's tied
Speaker 5: to old Assio is going to have some sort of integrity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like that that boy, he I love him, He's he's
Speaker 5: the best and like we are we are tight, and yeah,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Justus had a flirtation ship back back on rid or
Speaker 3: Dies for those who forgot, y'all.
Speaker 1: Have a little low.
Speaker 3: Flirtation ship for a moment. You have good taste, understand, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, and I was not attracted to him,
Speaker 5: like because he's like young, you know, like yeah, and
Speaker 5: then like my attraction for him kind of just shocked
Speaker 5: me out of nowhere because after like a month of
Speaker 5: living together and like sleeping next to each other and
Speaker 5: having these long conversations and you know, him like slowly
Speaker 5: opening up to me because like he comes across as
Speaker 5: very shy, he doesn't speak very much, but then like
Speaker 5: if he likes you, he will share. And he does
Speaker 5: have a comedic side, which I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: he's funny. And like when I when that happened, I
Speaker 5: was like, geez, he's like like he's actually like not
Speaker 5: just this like pretty boy, you know, like yeah, and
Speaker 5: then like we had in depth conversations and then you know,
Speaker 5: that's when I was like, oh god, I like him.
Speaker 5: And then I told him and then he told me
Speaker 5: about the situation that he had at home, which wasn't
Speaker 5: his girlfriend. But you know, he I knew about the
Speaker 5: girl because we had talked in depth about our lives,
Speaker 5: and I just thought that it was kind of the
Speaker 5: same situation that I had, which was I was dating
Speaker 5: someone before the show. But but like, it's not like
Speaker 5: your relationship. It's not your relationship, you know, it's just
Speaker 5: like nothing seen.
Speaker 1: See if you guys are just kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I just assumed it was that.
Speaker 5: And and you know, I just what I like about
Speaker 5: him is he takes accountability and and and that is
Speaker 5: just so few and far between with men as we see,
Speaker 5: like Jay does not take accountability, Callum does not take accountability.
Speaker 5: And I personally think that we need more men like
Speaker 5: Airasio and Ed on the show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Right, I think on the show, I completely agree and
Speaker 3: just want to put it out there, like as as
Speaker 3: a matchmaker, someone who works with single men and women
Speaker 3: all the time, there are quite a few men who
Speaker 3: take accountability, so settling for anything less than that, Like
Speaker 3: I mean again, we even saw James do it a
Speaker 3: little bit on the show, and when Iman Well came on.
Speaker 1: Our podcast, he did it a little bit.
Speaker 3: It was kind of look, yeah, I was you know,
Speaker 3: and so it's like cool, cool, Like that's all it takes,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just being like I fed up, I
Speaker 3: was human, my bad, Like I'm going to try and
Speaker 3: do better next time.
Speaker 1: I'm setting. I love that about it should never be
Speaker 1: an option.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He had the most kindest things to say about you
Speaker 2: when he came on the screen and he was just
Speaker 2: talking about you, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: like their friendship, their friendship is so beautiful and it's
Speaker 2: not a weird situation. Like Nourice was over in the
Speaker 2: corner like yep she is, and like you know, she
Speaker 2: was cheering for you guys. Like I thought that was
Speaker 2: a very very sweet moment. How did you feel hearing
Speaker 2: what he had to say about you.
Speaker 5: I My heart was warm because I feel the same
Speaker 5: about him and we just have this like deep friendship
Speaker 5: and I trust him and you know, to hear him
Speaker 5: say those kind words about me that that I'm like
Speaker 5: the biggest blessing that the challenge has given him, Like
Speaker 5: those are just like I see, he's my friend in
Speaker 5: real life. Yeah, so you know, like it did kind
Speaker 5: of start with like this like weird, you know, like
Speaker 5: are we attracted to each other type of thing, and
Speaker 5: you kind of figure you kind of figure things out well,
Speaker 5: like as you you know, go about life right, And
Speaker 5: I made some dumbass mistakes and I went back to
Speaker 5: somebody that I should not have gone back to, and then, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I think that was a nail on the
Speaker 5: coffin there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we heard you say you don't like to
Speaker 3: talk about alliances before the game like actually starts. You
Speaker 3: said that on the stage, but you already know we're
Speaker 3: going to ask you, okay, So in saying that, I
Speaker 3: want to know three names of people who were on
Speaker 3: that stage who you would consider being in an alliance with.
Speaker 5: I don't do alliances.
Speaker 1: None at all.
Speaker 3: Wait, you and Car kind of had an alliance back
Speaker 3: before things went left in Free Agent. I mean meaning
Speaker 3: that like in Free Agents, you weren't on a team
Speaker 3: because we were in rotating teams, but you guys worked
Speaker 3: together very much up until there was kind of a
Speaker 3: fracture in the friendship. So wouldn't you consider that an alliance?
Speaker 5: Like? No, Like, so Car and I at that point
Speaker 5: we were we were having like kind of little battles
Speaker 5: here and there, like before the show started, and she
Speaker 5: was in the process of finding her voice is how
Speaker 5: I would is how I would describe that. And unfortunately,
Speaker 5: what she ended up doing was taking out things on
Speaker 5: me that she should not have taken out on me.
Speaker 5: They should have been taken out on another person. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I didn't like that. Car is also easily swayed.
Speaker 5: But this is this is the weird thing about Car.
Speaker 5: She is brilliant. That girl is very absolutely so. I
Speaker 5: had a hard time.
Speaker 1: And had a fighter, like just like a heart, like
Speaker 1: a fighter like with her heart.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like all in Yeah, and
Speaker 5: I love that about her, Like it's amazing, you know,
Speaker 5: because she all she did was like, you know, get
Speaker 5: better right at the show, like physically she you know,
Speaker 5: she just she used this as the as a as
Speaker 5: a way to advance and get better. So those are
Speaker 5: great things. But also at the same time, on a
Speaker 5: personal level, I won't tolerate any type of disrespect towards
Speaker 5: me when you know that in life, I've had your
Speaker 5: back so fucking hardcore. And if you're gonna come on
Speaker 5: television and now let a producer say, oh, is Laurel
Speaker 5: doing this to you? And then you're gonna say, oh,
Speaker 5: Laurel's like doing whatever, and when I'm not and you're
Speaker 5: not going to have a conversation with me about it,
Speaker 5: that's gonna piss me off. And so I was like goodbye.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't an alliance. It was a true friendship,
Speaker 5: do you know what I'm saying. But it was like
Speaker 5: a complicated one at the same time, because did I
Speaker 5: ever want to be her friend?
Speaker 6: Fuck?
Speaker 5: No, Like in the same way that Michelle irritates me.
Speaker 5: Car irritated me from the get go, and like that's
Speaker 5: why I'm like this with Michelle because like I've done that,
Speaker 5: I went down that road, Like it's too much for me.
Speaker 5: I don't need that complication in my life. I have
Speaker 5: best friends that I've known since I was five years old,
Speaker 5: and they on my back. I met Jack on X
Speaker 5: on the Peak. I've never met anybody more loyal than Jack. Like,
Speaker 5: I don't need a new fucking friend that's gonna carve
Speaker 5: me problems. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, so if you and Jack weren't on the
Speaker 3: same team, would you guys be on an alliance?
Speaker 5: He it's not like if that's a friend, yes, I
Speaker 5: would never do anything to him, Like it's just that's
Speaker 5: not what I call an alliance. I don't fuck an
Speaker 5: alliance that's my friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So basically for your friends, you wouldn't vote
Speaker 3: them in or off like your close friends regard like
Speaker 3: if there was five of them on a show.
Speaker 5: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna keep pushing on this, Laurel, like
Speaker 1: you can push it.
Speaker 3: But like like this way, Melissa and Big T were
Speaker 3: essentially they were like the Doublemint twins, but they also
Speaker 3: clearly had each other's back and were never gonna fight.
Speaker 1: Like people knew that they came as a pack.
Speaker 3: One was never going to vote against the other, right,
Speaker 3: they were always covering each other.
Speaker 1: I love Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like say, which in a game setting is essentially
Speaker 3: an alliance, call it what you want to call it.
Speaker 3: It means, hey, I've got your back, You've got my back.
Speaker 3: Were I mean, that's what it means in a loyal way.
Speaker 3: For those who don't hold on to their alliances, then
Speaker 3: it doesn't. But you're saying, so Jack is one person
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't Okay, good glad, we got that that.
Speaker 5: I just I just don't see it that way, and
Speaker 5: I will refuse to the like I just I'm we're
Speaker 5: gonna go toe to toe here because I just like,
Speaker 5: I just don't do the Lions things because there's so
Speaker 5: many fake alliances. Yes, and that's and that's what we say,
Speaker 5: that's what we saw.
Speaker 1: We just saw this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well we see every season, right, there's always
Speaker 3: somebody who's like backstabbing or doing something else around what I.
Speaker 4: Can't there's just an understanding. There's just an understanding. We
Speaker 4: don't have to have a conversation when we come into
Speaker 4: this house. We already know what it is. Don't like,
Speaker 4: do your thing. I'm gonna do my thing.
Speaker 2: But we understand where we stand, and so I don't
Speaker 2: think we have to put a name on.
Speaker 4: It's just an understanding.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, definitely not. So it's
Speaker 5: there's another layer to it. So it's it's more like
Speaker 5: what you and I established, Devin. It's yeah, you came
Speaker 5: to me, you talk to me, and I can promise
Speaker 5: you that I'm gonna be honest with you. I also,
Speaker 5: I also can't predict what this game is going to
Speaker 5: bring to us. Yep. I'm not all knowing, do you know.
Speaker 5: I'm surviving just like you are, yea, And I can't
Speaker 5: promise you is if if I fucking love you, I'm
Speaker 5: going to tell you the truth and we're going to
Speaker 5: work it out between you and and that's all I
Speaker 5: can promise. That's all I can promise, because I can't
Speaker 5: save you necessarily, Like there's certain situations where you can't
Speaker 5: do anything.
Speaker 3: Right, and I think that mindset is exactly what gets
Speaker 3: people in Like I think you're exactly right, Laurel in
Speaker 3: that like where people get in trouble is one they
Speaker 3: have so many friends they're protecting, like a Michelle in
Speaker 3: this instance. But then also, you can't predict the future,
Speaker 3: so you can't promise that you're going to take X, Y,
Speaker 3: and Z step every single time because you don't know
Speaker 3: what TJ is going to throw at you tomorrow or
Speaker 3: what the next step is going to be, So you
Speaker 3: can't You just can't promise that no matter how much
Speaker 3: you care about somebody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I and I and I just I will
Speaker 5: say this, I'm extremely thankful for some of the relationships
Speaker 5: that have developed from these shows. But you know, but
Speaker 5: it's just the game is just a complicated monster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is, and a monster that you're still
Speaker 3: a part of because we got a little tease that
Speaker 3: All Stars four is coming up finally, is there anything
Speaker 3: you can hit anything? We should just be keeping an
Speaker 3: eye out for. Like I see the big smile on
Speaker 3: your face. We're excited to see you back. So yeah,
Speaker 3: what what what?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: What should be keep an eye out for for the
Speaker 3: infamous All Stars for we.
Speaker 5: Got some massive heavy hitters returning on All Stars four,
Speaker 5: like not just like one, not just like two, not
Speaker 5: even three. We got like massive faces coming back like
Speaker 5: and and not just in the newer realm. Like we've
Speaker 5: got keithla which was he was on the very first,
Speaker 5: the very first Real World War Rules Challenge, and I
Speaker 5: believe he's one one time he was an amazing man. Like,
Speaker 5: we've got people from like back in the day, Adam Larson.
Speaker 5: And then we've got some new romances that Brew and Stern.
Speaker 5: We we have me being a classic mess and uh
Speaker 5: do it making some serious bad decisions. And then I
Speaker 5: mean the biggest thing is like Carl Marias Orbello is returning.
Speaker 2: Yeah people, so it's oh man, it's gonna be It's
Speaker 2: gonna be good.
Speaker 5: Rachel, Veronica, Tina, Like it's just like everywhere you turn,
Speaker 5: it's like just icon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's what we're talking about it so
Speaker 3: much like so many it's it's it is I cannot wait.
Speaker 3: And big personalities too, which is also the part that's
Speaker 3: going to not only heavy hitters when it comes to competition,
Speaker 3: but some big personalities.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5: So it's honestly, it's it's so exciting. It was so
Speaker 5: fun to film, and you know when it's fun to film, yeah,
Speaker 5: fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. That's really really awesome.
Speaker 3: I that in the meantime, we're gonna have to have
Speaker 3: you back when All Sure is in a school full swing,
Speaker 3: or they'll have to have you back when it All
Speaker 3: Star Scort is in full swing. But in the meantime,
Speaker 3: for people who want to keep up with you, now
Speaker 3: see what you're up to, say Hi, where can they
Speaker 3: find you?
Speaker 1: On social I.
Speaker 5: Have an Instagram and a Twitter at Laurel Stuckey l
Speaker 5: A U R E L S t U c K Y.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think it's really all I do, but
Speaker 5: I uh, you're laughing at day one. I I mean,
Speaker 5: I do tweet here and there. I've been tweeting more
Speaker 5: recently because I actually don't have put her on my phone,
Speaker 5: but I have it on my computer, so when I
Speaker 5: signed into my computer, I can like go into Twitter
Speaker 5: and see what people are saying. So I tweeted on occasion. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but that's pretty much it, like, you know, just like
Speaker 5: anybody else Instagram, Twitter, and uh, that's it.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad so much, Laurel. Yes, yeah, I appreciate
Speaker 3: you being here. It's always great seeing you and seeing
Speaker 3: you thrive, and it's gonna be so fun to watch
Speaker 3: you and all starts.
Speaker 5: For Yeah, thanks girls. Yeah, it's such a great time.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, such a great interview with Laurel. I'm
Speaker 4: so glad she came to hang out with us.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's your girl, like that she decided to
Speaker 2: come and hang out with us. This season as a whole,
Speaker 2: Devin like, this has been an amazing, amazing season.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people had doubts because yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3: Vet it started, it was a little like, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a little slow, but I think some of I
Speaker 3: saw some somewhere online where someone said the last few
Speaker 3: episodes of Challenge Story nine have been arguably some of
Speaker 3: the best episodes of the challenge ever, and I kind
Speaker 3: of agree, like that whole nourice Hirassio, the SloMo walking,
Speaker 3: the eliminations, the betrayal, the real feelings like it was,
Speaker 3: the shock purges like it was. All of it was,
Speaker 3: you know, Chef's kiss and really good to see. And
Speaker 3: Manuel came out of nowhere. But like he even proved
Speaker 3: in this reunion, Emanuel's no joke, Like he just isn't.
Speaker 1: He isn't. He is no joke. And I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more of that coming out.
Speaker 2: What do you think, day, I definitely believe so. And
Speaker 2: you know, going into future challenges, friend needs to know
Speaker 2: there's a target on your back, sir. The new Champ
Speaker 2: is not just glitz and glam. It is you going
Speaker 2: to the nation a couple of times so you won't
Speaker 2: be able to hide behind people well anymore.
Speaker 4: I believe that this has been an amazing season.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jay and Michelle, because as much flak
Speaker 2: as we give them, had they not been there, a
Speaker 2: lot of these betrayals would not have happened.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, they gave us some great cinema.
Speaker 3: So I will, I will, I will give them their
Speaker 3: props on that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So as we come to an end and we
Speaker 2: wrap this season up, where can the people that want
Speaker 2: to keep up with you beyond this find you on
Speaker 2: the socials of the media's.
Speaker 3: Well, my address is. You can go to my website
Speaker 3: Devinsimone dot com. It's Devin with the Y Simone with
Speaker 3: an I dot com. Scroll down to the bottom you'll
Speaker 3: see my socials. I'm most active on Instagram. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to be better the same way I give smack to
Speaker 3: Davion about her YouTube. Really I deserve that smack about
Speaker 3: my Instagram. So I'm trying to be better and posting
Speaker 3: where I post a lot in my stories, like behind
Speaker 3: the scenes stuff if you ever want to see what
Speaker 3: I'm up to. So that's Devin Simone, Den with the
Speaker 3: Y smoth and I TikTok as well. Devin Simone and
Speaker 3: the Twitter. I usually heart and just retwee stuff, but
Speaker 3: I'm not as like you know.
Speaker 1: Active on there.
Speaker 3: And what about Oh and Amazon, I have I do
Speaker 3: fun stuff with like Natalie Negrotti. Sometimes a lot of
Speaker 3: challengers come there and we shout them out in.
Speaker 1: The chat because it's live.
Speaker 3: So if you just google Amazon and Devin like Amazon
Speaker 3: dot com. You'll see my channel. It's called Devin Ssmon's
Speaker 3: Gift Closet. Click follow there so you can be notified
Speaker 3: the next time we go live Davon. Where can the
Speaker 3: people find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me on the instagrams and the Twitter
Speaker 2: streets and on YouTube.
Speaker 4: TikTok.
Speaker 3: She is on YouTube, thank amen, because the people have
Speaker 3: for YouTube.
Speaker 1: Firm she is. She is on YouTube. She's in action.
Speaker 1: She is there. I'm proud of her. She is there.
Speaker 4: Amen.
Speaker 2: You can find me on all of the social media's
Speaker 2: at Davon Diane Underscore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you guys so much. We love and
Speaker 1: adore you.
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Speaker 4: I don't want this to feel like a goodbye. It's
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Speaker 1: Laurel and I are going to be in an alliance.
Speaker 1: She just doesn't know it yet.